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Advent Children... by ANGELS-EGG	Sep 17th, 2005 05:33:18 AM
...the best CG film ever?! Gimme a break...its the most juvinille,inchoherent BADLY animated (yes thats right..badly animated) cg film ive seen (sorry not film FMVs strung together). Im sure the fans would love a turd as long as it was cloud shaped. The fans love it good for them...but "best cg film ever" is the most dumbest & deluded thing ive read about it.
The Most Dumbest Thing by JD Lux	Sep 17th, 2005 07:34:38 AM
The most dumbest thing Ive ever read is ANGELS rant above.If you like ranting about movies youve obviously never seen.If your calling Final Fantasy Advent Children badly animated your either #1.)In an insane asylum or #2.)Your just a mad,delusional Pixar freak. This movie is absolutely stunning and nothing like it exisists on the market today.Period. You my friend are the classic example of a Hater.
No, the Final Fantasy movie wasn't that good. by team america	Sep 17th, 2005 08:54:41 AM
Story was completely non-existent (especially in the entire last half hour, which was just one mindless action sequence after another), but I don't think anyone is watching it for its story. They're just there for the amazing CG work.
JDLux by ANGELS-EGG	Sep 17th, 2005 09:36:51 AM
1.)I HAVE seen Advent children 2.)I am a animator and know a botch job when I see it (yes beautifully rendered but is animated without the same attention) 3.)Like films to have ....say a story? I was stating the fact that calling this the best CG film ever made is dillusional. Fans like yourself will love it. I myself see it as a soulless cash in....and nothing more than a technical demo by Square.
ADVENT CHILDREN A Botch Job? Are You Serious? by ZombieSolutions	Sep 17th, 2005 11:58:17 AM
mind-numbingly terrible / nonexistant story aside, the visuals are absolutely stunningly beautiful. at times jaw droppingly beautiful. if only it had a writer!
goodness by blackthought	Sep 17th, 2005 12:16:24 PM
story is key...i doubt very highly that FV7-ADCHILD...is the greatest CG film ever...it looks pretty, no doubt with all the copies running around on my school comps for all to view but no way greatest ever...plus the reviewer is totally biased with the material.
Advent Children... by dudemanguy	Sep 17th, 2005 12:17:55 PM
on one side there will be drooling fanboys, and on the other will be people capable of critical thinking. Drooling fanboys are easy to pick out - They're the ones who haven't bathed in recent memory, and are under the misapprehension that cosplay is anything other than embarrassing juvenile behavior. Get a clue, kids! Advent Children might make for great still shots, but as a story, it's GARBAGE - Nothing but a bunch of fanservice cues strung together in no particular order, with ridiculously over-the-top action sequences and a shitload of bullet-time effects that WERE TIRED AND CLICHED 5 FUCKING YEARS AGO! Maybe I don't count as a fanboy, having only played FFVII four times through, but I know the characters and the musical motifs inside and out. Advent Children fell far short of acceptable storytelling for anyone other than the brain-dead.
and for Christ's sake... by dudemanguy	Sep 17th, 2005 12:20:54 PM
Someone GET THIS GUY AN EDITOR!
umm... Advent Children was decent. by SirBiatchReturns	Sep 17th, 2005 12:24:39 PM
It has some amazing action sequences. In general, the action was well done. My favorite scene was Cloud fighting the 3 guys in the forest. if that isn't amazing CG work, i dont know what is. so to say that it was animated terribly is to be simply, a hater. on the other hand, i never played the games. but i found the story to be terrible, mindnumbingly boring, and incoherent. but maybe its cuz i havne't played the games. i dunno. There are some SUPERB scenes in there, but overall, it was just decent (taking into account story, choice of music, dialogue...)
Advent Children kicked my ass! by Johnno	Sep 17th, 2005 01:52:52 PM
Hell I've never played the game so i don't know squat, and wasn't watching it for the story. But I know it IS an extended ending to the game or whatever. Characters popping out of nowhere etc. Obvously you know Square knows this due to the fact that this is straight to DVD and not a big wide release. But as a whole it was quite entertaining. (I also watched Last Order: Final Fantasy VII the animation from Madhouse and that sorta filled me in on some details) The story was better than what I was expecting though I'm still in the dark about whatever the hell was going on. MUCH MUCH better than Spirits within. Sprits within bored me. And for the idiots that think the CG was anything less than good, a big FUCK YOU very much, fell free to whack off to a film with talking fish. That said, somebody get me the FF7:AC soundtrack/score.
So, Advent Children's animation sucks, huh? by kintar0	Sep 17th, 2005 03:57:46 PM
Okay, name something better. Give a few examples, SPECIFIC examples where the animation "sucks" in the film. Nobody is contesting that the story is less than brilliant. Even with the subtitles, the story ain't the spectacle. It's really easy for the haters to say "Durrrrrr, Advent Children is teh suck! The animation is teh suck! I'm an animator." But, as usual, no examples, no backup, just hyperbole. You're an animator, huh? Put your money where your mouth is and link us something you've done.
I'm a mutant freak. I have to be. I LIKED The Spirits Within by DOGSOUP	Sep 17th, 2005 03:59:31 PM
Sure it wasn't the FF movie I thought, but I still liked it as a movie.
bullet time? by Froggerrr	Sep 17th, 2005 04:01:08 PM
i think it's slow motion, i didnt see any streams of bullets. anyway, more locations woulda been cool and the character interaction on the airship seemed kinda corny, and what was with barret and his constant "oh shit i'm gonna die" face. otherwise, an awesome movie with great action.
this TB by blackthought	Sep 17th, 2005 04:18:08 PM
needs a hug...and dudemanguy, i said the same thing last week.
Advent Children was fine... by OldEnoughForMe	Sep 17th, 2005 05:07:21 PM
Yes, the story needed work, but this non-theatrically released DVD was made with the sole intention to be a fan service film. The only 'bad' cg I spotted in the film was when Cloud was walking up the stairs to go meet Boss and his two bodyguards in the beginning there. Cloud's walk cycle seemed a bit 'floaty' as he progressed up the stairs. Having said that, I have never seen anything like Advent Children, film wise, out there today. The action/battle scenes were very inventive and the camera work was phenomenal. The fight sequences in Advent Children imaginatively beats Singer's X-Men, Raimi's Spiderman and Lucas' Jedi duels. Watch the end battle of Advent Children and this, my friends, is how the Jedi at their prime should have fought like. When Cloud and company takes on the Bahamut, I can't help but use that scene as a template for the X-Men taking on a sentinel. Like Ratner will ever be this visionary. I challenge Hollywood to even come close to choreographing fight scenes like the ones I witnessed in Advent Children.
Advent Chilrdren by Heisenberg85	Sep 17th, 2005 05:23:53 PM
I just watched it last night actually. I don't really watch any anime or anything, so I say this with a clear perspective. It looked pretty, had some cool sequences, but overall it doesn't really stand on its own. If it weren't for the fact it's Final Fantasy it would be trashed on this board completely. The plot is incoherent, one can only follow it because it is so cliched.
Hasn't Anyone Ever Thought Of Hiring A Writer For One Of The by ZombieSolutions	Sep 17th, 2005 05:48:56 PM
FF:AV is a visual maserpiece. truly breath-taking. unfortunately, the story SUCKED. if i had a nickel for everytime i said that about a hyped-up anime i've seen, i'd have like $35 bucks by now.
Zombie, imagine if they did hire a writer... by Johnno	Sep 17th, 2005 06:14:01 PM
then it would take longer and the fanboys would complain about the delays that Enix is known for. Technically this thing was supposed to be like 20 mins tops, and they expanded it to an hour and a half, I'm thankful for that! But damn I wish they did take the time to flesh out the story a bit more, have some better pacing there at the beginning. The characters had virtually no introductions. They should've added 'Last Order' to the film. I highly recommend seeing that too, it's 35 mins, but I don't think there's any fan subbed version out yet. Hopefully Sony will include that on the DVD. I've never played any of the FF games thoguh I have fooled around with FFX. Mostly because I don't like turn based RPG games. But watching this makes me want to play it, hell I hope the fanboys voices prevail and they remake it for PS3, not like how that tech demo looked but with the actual quality of Advent Children. I'm sure it's possible. Has anyone seen the new Metal Gear Solid 4 teaser trailer? My God! Heck the Killzone look would suit it perfectly, they could even add in some crazy scenes like what was done with The Twin Snakes on Gamecube. Anyway the point being, there was stuff in this film that brought me to tears, like OldEnoughForMe said, the choreography of the action was astounding, it's everything I want my over the top action sequences to be! Hollywood better take note or else outsource that stuff to Square Enix. Some one stateside should pen the script to X-Men and hand it over to Sqwuare Enix to make a fully animated film like what we just saw in Advent Children!
Hyperbole? by ANGELS-EGG	Sep 17th, 2005 06:35:43 PM
You mean the same kind given to Advent children when someone calls it the best Cg film ever? A majority of Advent was animated using motion capture...when key animation is used its quite over used...for example in the fighting sequences it falls flat...the characters have no weight in particular scenes. But sure...its fantasy..its based off a computer game therefore must move like one? bollocks...they spent so much time and effort going for realistic visuals yet kept movements inconsistant....switching between subtle natural movements to what looks like a tekken fighting game...its jarring. Im quite glad there are some who can look at advent children and not have the fanboy tunnel vision syndrome. It was literally a series of technically impressive game FMVs tacked together (hence there being a scenario creator rather than real writer)...dont even get me started on the blatent mobile phone advertising. In anime theres so much blind sighted fandom that a certain thing as a perspective is lost. Dont feel offended just because I hate it. If you love it then all the best to ya....but me I like films with a plot.
Dudemanguy by ANGELS-EGG	Sep 17th, 2005 06:41:40 PM
...I selute you!
Fight scenes were alright by PorridgeBy	Sep 17th, 2005 07:18:17 PM
Basically if you like the game, you'll love this. It's just a FF-Fan wankfest of wankfests that's all. I've been oversaturated by anime and the Matrix wire-fu. In terms of the best CG animated fight scenes? Take a look at the intro to Onimusha 3, where they motion captured Donnie Yen for the scene. FF does have it's strengths but I like O3's better.
there really isn't much story, but that's not the point by d.avenant	Sep 18th, 2005 07:31:58 AM
Its really for people who have played the game... there are just TOO MANY references to the original game for the plot of FF7AC to hold... that is the reason for the opening words in the film ("for friends of the earth", or otherwise, for the fans, duh). Also there really isn't much to the story in the first place, it's just a 1 chapter extension to the long novel that was the original game. It's really MEANT to be a fanboy wank fest the opening spiel says it so. square says it so. made for the fans. DUH. It's an ACTION MOVIE without not much story so there bad plot, also disjointed japanese style storytelling is to blame. Live with the CG, good animation in your opinion or not, it is undeniable that the choreography of the fight scenes are the most inventive in recent memory... don't bother complaining about "weight" and realistic movement. FF7Ac operates on anime physics. Complaining about non realistic animation in a genre where rendition and not movement is key (you'd know this if you're an anime fan), is like complaining that there's meat in your meatlover's pizza. It isn't the best CG movie out there, as it lacks plot, but it's definitive in that it's the best fully CG action sci fi flick out there. Quick... name a full CG movie with better combat?
Well... by ANGELS-EGG	Sep 18th, 2005 09:32:48 AM
...if combat and pretty pictures is all your interested in fair enough. Why I should have to explain myself is totally pointless...you love it I hate it. Otakus! Anime physics? ohhhkay... i beleive you.
why should hollywood choreograph fight.... by blackthought	Sep 18th, 2005 02:00:56 PM
scenes like this? from my understanding this was made with a computer...live action tends to have real breathing humans who to my knowledge without the aids of wires, cg and some higher power cannot do such moves...well maybe tony ja can but he's not human.
Yo Harry stop giving romantic comedies the lead story and give A by Neo Zeed	Sep 18th, 2005 02:40:42 PM
After getting slammed by Hollywood for the past 4 years with kiddie Pixar Cartoons, by the number historical dramas, and lackluster superhero flicks, this movie's trailer blew my freaking mind. This shit should be in theatres and on IMAX. Yo Harry, why are you keepin' the Japanese man down.
blackthought... by OldEnoughForMe	Sep 18th, 2005 04:43:38 PM
Well, I was referring to animating the cg stunt doubles that you see so much in Hollywood these days. Hollywood would need to mo-cap Spiderman and augment his movements just enough to give it that hyper real and stylized look as you would expect from a superhero or supervillain. I believe that when you animate cg stunt doubles completely by hand, you get the animator's 'touch' and not the mo-capped actor's true movements, thus, making the cg double look like a marionette puppet. I'm hoping they mo-cap Tony Ja in the next Spiderman and have an anime director choreograph the fight scenes. In the last two Spiderman movies, I was dissapointed in the action. The fight sequences were very static and predictable.
Naruto by v1cious	Sep 19th, 2005 08:21:31 PM
i'm surprised... Toonami actually didn't screw it up. i wonder if parents are gonna complain about him using the Sexy Jutsu and "i'll kill you" to a character.
CG movie with better combat = Onimusha 3 by PorridgeBy	Sep 19th, 2005 10:41:23 PM
d.vanenant: Sure it's not a full CG movie (quite sadly) but still I consider it to have better fight scenes than Advent Children. But it's apples to oranges really. AC is more geared towards anime whereas Onimusha's is more realistically grounded. That doesn't mean it's better but it appeals to different people.
Everyones an expert by staticneuron	Sep 21st, 2005 01:15:09 PM
I enjoyed advent children. Plain and simple. Most of the bashing of the movie comes from people who think that there should only be one style of storytelling and one correct style of animation. people should be a little more openminded.
yawn by blackthought	Sep 22nd, 2005 10:39:32 PM

I'd have to agree with you there PorridgeBy by d.avenant	Sep 23rd, 2005 07:49:04 PM
I'd have to agree with you on the point you raised porridgeby, onimusha's fight scenes are better, but's it's like comparing a really really good apple (onimusha), to a wonderfully good but god damnit it would've been holy if it had a decent writter and still had the action sequences orange (FF7AC)

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