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Herc Craves Escape From Fox

first biatches by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 29th, 2005 02:02:30 AM
that is all
darn... I was hoping this would be a cool show... by Russman	Aug 29th, 2005 02:02:39 AM
Damn, Maria Menounos is hot... anyone see her get tickled on Stern? Oh, and First?
dang.. beat by a second!!! by Russman	Aug 29th, 2005 02:05:03 AM
my hat off to you Sir! You won only becuase I was trying to spell Menounos correctly. You see that fellas - women will only bring you down. But next timeeeeeeee, vengance! Will! Be! Minnnnnnnneeee!
Hey, I enjoyed the first hour. by Shan	Aug 29th, 2005 02:16:23 AM
Mind you, that's all I've seen and I wasn't quite hooked enough to see any more in a hurry - as in I probably will but I'm not going to race to see it ...
Yum, "Prison Breakfast" is tasty! Better than Denny's or IHO by Regis Travolta	Aug 29th, 2005 02:49:45 AM
Regis Travolta Online says "Prison Breakfast" tastes good but when that creepy dead girl Samara from The Ring movies crawls out of the warden's toilet and scares him to death you may want to change the damn channel!
The pilot is great. by Peter Venkman	Aug 29th, 2005 03:32:30 AM
I love when critics thrash a fictional show for not being realistic. So by that logic, Lost sucks because everyone is well-groomed and nicely dressed and Hurley doesn't lose weight. When will critics learn that it's not the nitpicking that makes a show but the story? ROME was full of accuracy and detail, but it's dreadfully boring and leaden. Give me the exciting Prison Break any day.
by Mr Cairo	Aug 29th, 2005 03:42:08 AM
apparently Jorge garcia has lost close on 40 pounds for the next series of lost . The biggest problem Lost will have is the boy who plays the Walter is going to start having teenage growth spurts between seasons and the premise that only months are passing will be stretched a little
TubgirlTonay by Killah_Mate	Aug 29th, 2005 03:53:07 AM
You know, I'm a big fan of Firefly (and Buffy and Angel), but posts like these are really starting to annoy me. Seems every time there's a talkback involving Fox, somebody has to pitch in how "Fox is the poo". We get it already. We got it two years ago. Go do something else.
Saw the first hour by kuryakin	Aug 29th, 2005 03:57:35 AM
It's no Firefly for sure but it was Ok. I'll be watching it, though it's interesting that Fox are talking this show up like it's going to run and run - I'll believe that shit when I see it. As for the 'reality' thing, I liked how implausible it was - for fucks sake why does everything have to be gritty and real? And it's not like OZ was all that realistic anyway. Anyone remember the episode where they gave the fuckwit Irish inmate a pill to make him age twenty years so he could get out sooner? A FUCKING PILL!!! Jesus that's up there with James Bond's see-through car.
I've GOTTA' get in on this one! by Basswizard8	Aug 29th, 2005 04:13:22 AM
I've hated the scenes for this show since they were first shown! "Prison Break, how do I hate ye? Let me count the ways!" First, it's fuckin' FOX. These bozos cancelled John Doe (also with Dominic Purcell), one of their most "original" shows. It was doing OK..."OOPS, sorry, doin' OK ain't enough. We can fill that timeslot with I Want To Marry My Sister!" FOX sucks!! You know, you'd think they would have learned a lesson with The X-Files! Of course, they were a younger network then, but, JEEZ, remember your fuckin' roots!! Second, Prison Break...Bad title! It sounds like a 2-hour TV movie...and, it SHOULD be!! (Didn't Charlie Bronson do that movie back in the 70's?)The premise...A guy gets into prison to break his brother out because he has the blueprints for the prison. Sounds like a 2 or 3 episode "season" for this show! Come on, quit "greenin'" me, this is gonna' be a "network" version of OZ (The best!!!). If it was on FX, I might buy it. It's on fuckin' FOX! Those guys lost their network "cachet" with me when they went into their reality crap!! Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?...Hey, who wants to KILL a Millionaire? Whoa...I think I'm on to something here. Listen up, FOX Network, this could be big!! HEE HEE! Sorry for the rant, but I like TV, and I hate anything that wastes my time! Prison Break...I'm givin' it 4 episodes (I'm being kind!).
this show is terrible by Krangelus	Aug 29th, 2005 04:43:13 AM
its simply not entertaining, the acting is dull, i am not impressed.
The cast is very charismatic. by RenoNevada2000	Aug 29th, 2005 06:36:57 AM
And that is problem, Herc. Casting is becoming the new coin of the realm, with thoughts about how good the writing is a distant second. Once again, execs demonstrate they know nothing about how a television show should be developed.
Agent Alonzo- you're slightly confused by RenoNevada2000	Aug 29th, 2005 06:40:30 AM
For a producer, having a show on FOX is like being anally raped.
Oh come on Herc. Stop being a hater. It's funny how people l by Mr. Profit	Aug 29th, 2005 07:52:07 AM
And insinuate that the show is weak because the writers past work sucks. Joss Whedon wrote a terrible fucking movie called Buffy and redeemed himself with TV work. James Gunn wrote Scooby Doo and then wrote Dawn of the Dead. And didn't Akiva Goldsman write Batman and Robin and won an Oscar for A Beautiful Mind. Come the fuck on now.
we Profit fans know how the Firefly and other fallen shows feel. by Russman	Aug 29th, 2005 07:55:28 AM
Fox just sucks, and I'll hate that network forever. I may watch the pilot tonight and If I do like it, I think I may throttle back any entuhiasm becuase Fox has no backbone and will ice this show in two weeks if it doesn't catch one. I agree w/Agent Alonzo.... but it's Fox, the Anal Rape is gonna happen, soon or later...
Yes, this premise makes much less sense than 24, House, etc. by Big Bad Clone	Aug 29th, 2005 08:38:46 AM
As long as a show is entertaining, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Talking dog? On a good show, okay. On a bad show, then I'd piss all over the fact that someone is reading a fake paper or something just as minor.
Oh Mr. Profit, why did you have to bring up that shit stain Akiv by ComputerGuy68	Aug 29th, 2005 08:46:33 AM
Your argument died with that statement.
Implausibility doesn't bother me.. I watch 24. by idledead	Aug 29th, 2005 08:53:45 AM
Which is absolutely absurd. But enjoyable. I'm hoping to get the same out of this show -- I'll give anything that's really arc-heavy a shot. I'll probably end up watching it just to follow the recaps at Television Without Pity.
Paul Ruebens stayed on script, by idledead	Aug 29th, 2005 08:55:55 AM
which is why he was the best thing about the Buffy movie.
Computer Guy, it was just an example. by Mr. Profit	Aug 29th, 2005 09:14:50 AM
People can write something really shitty, but then can turn it around. you have to be able to give people the benefit of the doubt. I just hate how this site will blow someone's cock no matter how shitty their movies/TV shows are, then turn around and shit on someone or not give something a fair chance. What if the dude had to pay his mortgage so he wrote something on the fly to make quick money? People forget actors and writers and directors have lives and bills to pay. And no matter who directed the film, Joss still wrote it. And he was totally right in rtying it again and making it work on TV. Buffy is probably one of my all time faves since I pretty much grew up with it while I was in High School.
Didn by Drath	Aug 29th, 2005 09:26:20 AM
And didn
Sorry to jump on you Mr. Profit, just hate that guy by ComputerGuy68	Aug 29th, 2005 10:33:50 AM
His bad stuff - Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Lost In Space, I, Robot, and produced, Deep Blue Sea, Starsky & Hutch, Mindhunters, Constantine, (which was not too bad) I still put him the ranks of other hack writers/producers/directors. One question about the Buffy movie, why didn't Joss get his name removed from it?
So, the kid brother commits a crime to get sent to the same pris by zer0cool2k2	Aug 29th, 2005 10:48:18 AM
What if he would have been sentenced to a completely different prison from Big Bro? then we would have had nothing but anal rape for the entire series. Oh, and Robin Tunney is Hot !
Just the premise alone should make this unwatchable after a few by SpyGuy	Aug 29th, 2005 11:13:30 AM
At least with HOGAN'S HEROES, Hogan and the guys could escape whenever they wanted to and then came back to help other people escape week after week. This series should be called PRISON BREAK ATTEMPTS, which would be much more plausible...
And no one at FOX "suggested" this be turned into a women's by Fred	Aug 29th, 2005 12:19:05 PM

Akiva, Fox, this dumb thread, etc. by Bob Toddler	Aug 29th, 2005 12:42:06 PM
Hey, I'll agree that Akiva has written some of the biggest crap out there, but to his credit, he has written two very good scripts in a row with "A Beautiful Mind" and "Cinderella Man." And his adaptation of "DaVinci Code" will probably be passable, since the book was practically pre-written in screenplay format. And can we finally stop ragging on Fox for its programming choices? Yeah, I wasn't happy when they got rid of "Family Guy" twice. I was also a little pissed off to see "John Doe" end on a huge cliffhanger with no resolution whatsoever. However, this is a TalkBack for the show "Prison Break", not for anything else Fox has ever produced. If this was a "Oh God, Fox is stupid because (insert your favorite short-lived show here) was cancelled and (insert something like "The War At Home" here) is on the air..." thread, I'd say run with it. But we're here to discuss the merits of this particular show. Now, I've only seen the one-hour pilot, but that had me intrigued. One of the reviews above says that the second and third hours do not match up to the first. We shall see. But to hate this show merely because you're still bitter that "Wonderfalls" was cancelled is just really juvenile and petulant.
I can see that you are pissed and why Fox pisses you off by Big Jim	Aug 29th, 2005 01:38:56 PM
but it is a stretch to say Wonderfalls & Firefly were cancelled for Prisonbreak. Both were cancelled due to low ratings and, in the case of Wonderfalls, replaced by a POS reality show that was, in fact, just a rip off of a somewhat more successful POS reality show. Fox sucks for not allowing more time for certain shows to find their audience. But Prisonbreak is hardly to blame for Fox's past mistakes. If it does not get the ratings Fox expects, it will most likely be gone when 24 returns in January. I'll be watching tonight. If I like it, I'll keep watching. If I don't, I won't. I judge shows on their own merit, not on the past foolishness of the network involved. Don't punish the son for the father's sins.
Coming soon to FOX...ESCAPE FROM ACCOUNTING! by SpyGuy	Aug 29th, 2005 01:39:13 PM
(Read in that FOX announcer's DEEP VOICE) When office clerk Jack Mehoffer's second cousin twice removed is demoted to the Accounting Department for failing to sign off on his expense report, Jack transfers into the very same Accounting Department to help his second cousin twice removed escape. Watch the intrigue build week after week as Jack uncovers a vast conspiracy that goes all the way up to the President and all the way down to the parking garage attendant where Jack's Hyundai Elantra is parked! Every truth uncovered reveals another mystery wrapped in an enigma and you won't believe who is going to betray who next!
No surprise Entertainment Weekly liked it by Nate Champion	Aug 29th, 2005 01:57:19 PM
Does anyone remember that SNL skit where the people are trapped in the movie theater for a month watching shitty previews? The guy played by Tracy Morgan who shouts "THAT LOOK GOOD" after all of them pretty much sums up the EW mentality. Their willingness to check their brain at the door pretty much implies they don't have one.
Brett Ratner by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	Aug 29th, 2005 02:28:27 PM
I thought I might check this show out, until I saw that Brett Ratner directed the pilot and is heavily involved. He just turns any good idea into a mediocre product, I'm sure I'll make myself see X-3, but I think I'll give this a pass.
Still watching this tonight... by JLohnny	Aug 29th, 2005 02:39:14 PM
So the premise is ridiculous, so what? Most TV shows feature absolutely ridiculous storylines. I still found the pilot to be very entertaining. Despite what the critics say, I'll be giving this show at least 5 eps before I give up on it.
The defining shows of the 2000s by tmeinecket	Aug 29th, 2005 02:48:57 PM
While I loved Carnivale, Firefly, etc., what's wrong with 24, LOST, Arrested Development, etc. being the defining shows of the 2000s? Alias would have also been a defining show if it hadn't completely collapsed in its last two seasons.
Oh.... by tmeinecket	Aug 29th, 2005 02:52:24 PM
and one more thing, Jack Bauer could have broken his brother out of prison in a couple of hours. I'm looking forward to Prison Break, if only to pass the time till 24 returns.
I'm curious... by DarthCorleone	Aug 29th, 2005 03:15:43 PM
...given that "Prison Break" is the title of the show, how long do the writers think they can actually draw out the break?
Tonay2's list of the ought's "defining" shows is fucking by crazyeyezkillah	Aug 29th, 2005 04:42:10 PM
How 'bout you define your own goddamn decade? Since when does an English television show that doesn't even appear on American television "define" a decade that isn't even over yet? Shows that appear on premium cable channels are disqualified automatically. Pretty hard for a show to "define" anything if they're only availiable to a low percentage of television/DVD viewers. Lost has barely had a first season and isn't even out on DVD. We don't really even know what's going on, not even an inkling, we don't even know what the major theme is, save from the interpersonal relationships between the characters, so it's way, WAY premature to state that it could or might "define" anything. In forty years, we won't be talking about the Office. Nor will we Buffy, Angel or Firefly. Or a bunch of my own personal favorite shows. It's easy to post witless hyperbole on a bulletin board. Exactly HOW did the Office change TV comedy? I don't see any evidence in any show to support this. Four camera sitcom? You honestly think the Office was the first comedy that was shot like a documentary? How many fucking years did This Is Spinal Tap come out before the Office? Dude, keep on loving Whedon all you want, he'll be around a few more years, but c'mon. Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, even DS9 and Voyager were way more successful and revered than Firefly ever will be. You honestly think Firefly/Serenity is a franchise comparable to the Twilight Zone? You really think that if Firefly didn't get canceled after a few episodes, we'd see entire conventions dedicated to it like we do Star Trek? Sure, love something, but don't let it blind you. Whedon needs viewers and your bucks, not disciples.
tonay2, you really need to stop. by oisin5199	Aug 29th, 2005 04:44:59 PM
You know, I'm a huge Joss fan and I love practically anything he touches. But seriously, dude. You need to stop. People like you are the reason there are so many irrational Joss-haters on this site. It's really annoying when you go to every talkback and bitch about how X topic is NOT Joss. If you're going to irrationally compare everything to Joss, at least do it on a Joss thread. No one cares if you think something's not as good as Joss. Why don't you try judging something on its own merits and not on how it's not Joss? Sheesh! Just stop! You're giving sane Joss fans a really bad name.
Prison Break by Mafu	Aug 29th, 2005 05:12:34 PM
I agree, DarthCorleone. Viewers already know what'll eventually happen on the show due to its name. Stupid. They should've renamed the show "Prison," or maybe "Johnny the Prison Breaker," or even "Johnny the Archtitect," names that don't imply a specific, pre-determined course of action for the show to follow. "24" doesn't imply anything specific, neither does "Alias," "Lost," or "Seinfeld." Characters on these successful shows were allowed to develop over time without the restrictions of a show title that specified a course of action. Also, Brett Ratner directing the pilot leaves me shaking my head. He's such a lukewarm, risk-averse director. I mean, if the show somehow survives its first season, what happens in season 2? "Return to the Prison So We Can Break Out Again"? This smacks of bad writing and terrible planning, in my opinion. Sure, it'll be a great little nugget of violence with insidious political overtones, but I already know what's going to happen, you idiots! They're going to break out of prison. The amateurish plotting and planning I'm already detecting leaves me a bit sad, since I like Dominic Purcell and some of the other actors I recognized on the previews. But the bad title + Ratner + Fox = seven weeks before it's cancelled. Just my opinion.
Tonay2 by Mafu	Aug 29th, 2005 05:27:17 PM
I agree with oisin5199 -- I think you need to tone down your Whedon worship. Many talkbackers, including myself, are fans of his work. But we also recognize the talents of many, many other writers and directors who make contributions to film and television. I'd appreciate it if you could tone down your Whedon love into something a bit more humble and less fanatical. Thank you.
That is a scary-ass premonition about the year 2050! by Big Jim	Aug 29th, 2005 05:40:41 PM
Sounds like the world of Orwell's 1984, but run by Whedonites.
the name is kinda tied into the reason why they keep comparing t by punto	Aug 29th, 2005 06:00:38 PM
The name, and the pilot, both suggest that they'll be dealing with the same 'plot' (the prison break) for at least the first 13 episodes. But that's not all, the pilot also sets up a bunch of useless secondary storylines that we don't care about (I can see hispanic guy's girlfriend being chased by some cougars while having amnesia right now). I say the 'I give it 4 episodes' predictions are too optimistic.. This is the kind of shit that fox keeps around for at least 1 or 2 seasons, just so that we can say "they cancel (wonderfalls\|firefly\|etc) and the keep this crap????". remember tru calling, dark angel, john doe?
What's season 2- The Getaway? by xenaman	Aug 29th, 2005 06:38:44 PM
I don't really get these "real-time" step by step series. Kinda seems like treading water to me. After they break out, what then? Poor Dominic Purcell, why is he trusting Fox again? I liked the first 4 eps of "John Doe", but then it got stupid and tanked. Come to think of it, why does ANYONE think a show will last on fox? Am I the only one who hates Fox for all the good shows they have canned? ???????????????????? (My post is full of questions????) Isn't it????
Oh, I'm not the only one... by xenaman	Aug 29th, 2005 06:42:07 PM
Who hates fox. Suppose I should read the talkbacks BEFORE I post. But I am really only interested in my own opinion anyway. Kidding! (Or am I?)
anyone tell me.. by jig98	Aug 29th, 2005 06:54:27 PM
what was that song in the tv spots? it is the same song as the one in the trailer and tv spots for transporter 2's
this makes no sense by v1cious	Aug 29th, 2005 07:26:10 PM
why are the death row inmates mixed in with the general population? seems unrealistic.
If were gonna nitpick... by cornstalkwalker	Aug 29th, 2005 07:57:30 PM
Perhaps he was only a designer of certain parts of the prison. For instance, with the sewer system. Well, then he would want to have a full map for the parts that he wasn't directly involved in. Also, it sure would suck to be in prison and not remembering something that you would have remembered, if you had the map. But, whatever. All of those reviews make a big deal about the believability. But, I never hear the critics screaming with all the BS of other successful shows, like 24. I barely heard anything about the complete silliness of a stealth fighter shooting down AF1. They don't even carry air to air missiles. It's still fun to enjoy the show, regardless of probability, or possibility.
by crowster1833	Aug 29th, 2005 08:23:48 PM
For those of you who loved wonderfalls so much you can now catch it on the network it belongs on. Logo the place for queers. This show IS great.
Nerd Alert! by Tim Master	Aug 29th, 2005 08:42:44 PM
ISN'T HERC THE SAME GUY WHO WAS KISSING TIM MINEARS ASS AND PROMOTING THE INSIDE??? THAT SHOW FUCKING SUCKED!!! YOU CAN ALL SUCK JOSS WHEDONS DICK. IM SURE THE MINUTE ONE OF THESE BUFFY/ANGEL WRITERS TAKE A JOB ON PRISON BREAK YOU WILL ALL BE SINGING A DIFFERENT TUNE. MARTI NOXON IS A PRODUCER ON THE 2ND EPISODE - DO YOU LOVE IT NOW????
It's not JUST that so much of "Prison Break" doesn't mak by Hercules	Aug 29th, 2005 08:42:57 PM
Other entertainments I love don't make any sense at all. But they make up for all the silly in other ways, like comedy or characterization. "Prison Break," like "24," is pretty much just all about plot. But the "Prison Break" plot has all these holes in it. Giant ones. Annoying ones. So I'm left just kinda left staring at it, looking for something to keep me interested besides Robin Tunney's taut buttocks. (Tunney's buttocks are most alluring, but there are many alluring buttocks scattered throughout DirecTV if one has patience enough.) I think "Prison Break" offers some intriguing scenes early on that ultimately don't add up to nothin
the "Buffy" series is going to be revered maybe forever, alongsi by Hamtaro_Hentai	Aug 29th, 2005 09:25:38 PM
Way to go, mr. "I get paid by the talkback"....oh,wait, now I just became part of the problem...
I wouldn't expect this show to make perfect sense by Holodigm	Aug 29th, 2005 09:29:38 PM
After all, the only show I own every season of is 24. But for what it was, not bad at all I'd say. I was actually impressed, and like someone else said it'll do fine filling that Monday Fox slot until 24 comes back. I like how one of the reviews up there totally gives away that the breakout is going to happen later this season. In which case I can't see this show going past three seasons, at least for its own sake it shouldn't. Who knows, it may end up being a breakout hit. It gets my stamp of approval, for now. But my opinion doesn't matter because I don't worship Whedon.
I kinda liked it... by El Fuego	Aug 29th, 2005 09:37:14 PM
and considering that 90% of the talkbacks are from before it aired, you're all just bitching for the sake of bitching. As long as all the little hints and bits they drop come into play later in the season I'll be a happy guy... on 24 it's not about the holes in fundamental logic that piss everyone off, it's when they mention something and then forget it, never to bring it up again, like having the DoD just disappear for a third of last season without so much as a question to his whereabouts. The show sets its own rules, and as long as it plays by them, it's fine by me. I'll keep watching the pieces fall together until they stop leading to a clear and brilliant culmination.
Actually, I kinda dug it. by 433	Aug 29th, 2005 09:51:09 PM
Ain't I cool?
ah, Herc, you and your insightful critiques... by omarthesnake	Aug 29th, 2005 10:08:55 PM
.... oh, wait, you just spewed random bile toward a pretty good little show because the characters didn't make pop-culture-savvy wisecracks every .35 seconds and actually seem to take their situation seriously. then you made some asinine -- and let's face it, kinda creepy -- comments about Robin Tunney's buttocks. And on a side note: really, Twin Peaks, revered forever? By maybe 5% of its original audience, the rest having figured out by a few episodes into season two that the emperor had no clothes. sheesh.
more hyperbole, not any more support... by crazyeyezkillah	Aug 29th, 2005 10:09:06 PM
Tonay2, you've got to be a parody. You really wouldn't understand why a show being on a premium cable channel would limit who could see it, would you? Buffy will never be bigger than Star Trek. It's just a fact.
Silly Diabetes... by Evil Starfish	Aug 29th, 2005 10:18:24 PM

Silly Diabetes... by Evil Starfish	Aug 29th, 2005 10:19:27 PM
Anyone care to tell me why the tattooed prissy man is intentionally making himself diabetic? Is it just to be in the infirmary or...is it something more?
Watching it now... not bad... by Russman	Aug 29th, 2005 10:31:37 PM
but I think it would've been a cooler bad ass mini series or a limited series on HBO - Sweet Blessed HBO. Give me The Wire and Saint McNutty.
That's right bitch, Star Trek will always be bigger than the by crazyeyezkillah	Aug 29th, 2005 10:50:51 PM
I said it! What? What! I don't even really like anime!
by foreignerbelt	Aug 29th, 2005 10:52:09 PM
I agree with a (far) above poster who said that this cast is charismatic, but I would not agree with him that this alone can't carry a series. I almost didn't care about the plot I was enjoying watching this ensemble so much. and Robin Tunney's buttocks are taut like a toiger. I've been trying to tell people this since Vertical Limit. And congratulations to TubgirlTonay, who adopted a second name and not only hooked his perpetual bitch Mr Miracle after I specifically warned him (fucking idiot), but also hooked a blackbox, the bigfish- Hercules. Nicely done. I must say I thought your technique sloppy at first but you have honed your trolling to a fine art- I'd like to think that you incorporated my earlier critiques of your work and channeled them into this second and far more successful incarnation. maybe that is taking too much credit.
"maybe that's taking too much credit." by crazyeyezkillah	Aug 29th, 2005 10:59:16 PM
You think?
I like Whedon by snowpuff	Aug 29th, 2005 11:08:08 PM

Buffy-verse connection to PRISON BREAK by hessian	Aug 29th, 2005 11:15:20 PM
Did I, or did I not see Marti Noxon listed in the opening credits? Uh, oh. I smell a quandry.....
I like Whedon's shows, but not Whedon by snowpuff	Aug 29th, 2005 11:18:06 PM
I am a casual viewer of Whedon and I was impressed catching Firefly during its run on Sci-Fi. I even bought the box set. And then I discovered something that surprised me - I couldn't get through a commentary of his. I found myself disliking the guy intently. And I also started to notice that the guy's got some serious misogyny issues that he vents through his characters in Firefly. Yes, Josh Whedon, champion of Buffy and Wonder Woman. Yeah, the psyche is complicated, but there's no question that part of him has a lot of anger towards women.
didn't James Van Der Beek play Marty Noxon... by crazyeyezkillah	Aug 29th, 2005 11:20:21 PM
in Varsity Blues?
Perhaps I by JonQuixote	Aug 29th, 2005 11:57:22 PM
Yeah, I think so. You also got a bit wrong - eg. the dude didn't spend "years designing" the prison. He worked for a company that got some major subcontracting on a renovation. Which meant he was able to get his hands on the blueprints and tattoo them on his body, as opposed to being the guy who imagined them up. You can overthink anything into ridiculousness - not that this show isn't without it's ridiculousnesses, let alone overthink it into ridiculousness when you pick up the wrong information. *** Anyway, it wasn't great. It's certainly bereft of the intelligence behind a show like LOST - it lacks the little moments, the little brilliances and I don't think it has any ambition to be anything but a straightahead actioner. But it was fun enough. Well acted, well directed, clunkily scripted. And the EW review was right - that scene with the "watchers" in the background was excellent.
Scifi fans, SHUT UP! by Spice-Orange	Aug 30th, 2005 12:01:07 AM
You make no sense with your: "they cancelled firefly! omg! and now they show this!? omg omg! i love wheathins! eee!" Look, Fox got rid of firefly because no one watched it. they come up with new shows and see what happens. thats what we can the TELEVISION INDUSTRY. This pilot was pretty good, yeah, there was no vampires, skinny blonde bitches that cant act, or spaceships, but you know what? Thats not what the show is about! get over it! go watch something else. fact is, when you guys post stupid rants like that, it shows that A: you havent seeing the show yet and B: it doesnt matter if it was the Citizen Kane of Television shows, you'd still hate it because it does have wheathins as creator. waa waa.
Oh, and I'm loving FOX these days. by JonQuixote	Aug 30th, 2005 12:03:53 AM
Why? ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT SEASON 3. I could kiss them on the (***).
Contrived drivel by IMMORTAL-1	Aug 30th, 2005 12:07:14 AM
Not only does the guy end up in the same prison as his brother, the Governor's daughter works there too as a doctor?! Yeah that won't come into play. Nice how the bolt the guy needs and loses he gets back when someone uses it to attack him in a prison riot. It's the luckiest sumbitch in the world. This gets cancelled midseason, FOX releases it on DVD and a bunch of saps buy it.
at least it's not a reality show by FlowCytometer	Aug 30th, 2005 12:27:46 AM
I like this show. I guess the saps are those who have a show they enjoy get cancelled, so the only way to complete the story is to buy the DVD set. Kind of like when someone gives up on buying the monthly comic book and resorts to buying the collected trade paperback (the difference being involuntary vs voluntary)
Good show by GiftedInThePants	Aug 30th, 2005 12:42:16 AM
Entertaining. Funny how the people bitching about plausibility praise shite like Buffy. I wonder if Herc had the courtesy of giving the reach around after virtually sucking off Whedon in that post. Damn dude, get back to fucking reality. Whedon's trite crapola will only be revered by morons that don't know what good telivision is.
"FOR FUCKS SAKE. Joss Whedon's dialogue isn't meant ot s by Triumph poops!	Aug 30th, 2005 12:59:53 AM
And therein lies the problem. In other words, people never actually sound like people -- they sound like actors breaking the fourth wall. Worse, they're "winking" at you all the time, essentially saying "See? Aren't I cute? Aren't I being witty? Sure, no one you know talks this way...plus no complete assemblage of people talk this way to each other on top of that...but, hey! We're clever and witty! So you will love it." Sorry, Tonay, but you've just admitted to why Whedon's dialogue is not nearly as great as kiss-asses as you proclaim. Because the bottom line is its just hack writing desperately TRYING to be overly cutesy to draw attention to itself, as if the writer's frail ego needs yet another reach around handjob from someone to make him believe he's actually a barely competent writer. Which apparently over-the-top fans like you are dying to supply him with...
Awesome show by Peter Venkman	Aug 30th, 2005 01:05:12 AM
Glad to see it proved the naysayers wrong. While we're talking about cancelled shows, I want to give my 3 cents. First off-Wonderfalls was cancelled because it sucked. Seriously. I hate to say that, because I know it has many fans, but honestly, the show was annoying and too confined and way too pleased with itself to draw any audience. Secondly, Firefly was a good show. A pretty good show, in fact. But if you're comparing it to Buffy and Angel, there's no comparison. And as big of a Buffy fan as I was, I'm starting to dislike the show because of the people on this board who compare it to the Twilght Zone. It's not. Wake up. The Twilight Zone was huge in it's day and it's been 2 years years since Buffy was cancelled and most of America has forgotten about it, save for the Whedon fans-who are a small, vocal minority. Also, while I do intend to see SERENITY in the theaters, the movie is going to be a flop. For most of America, there's no big names, no major hype and it looks like a generic Sci-Fi movie of the week. Granted, I know it's not, but that's how the majority of people will view it, and they'll stay away and end up seeing some shit like HITCH or WHITE GIRLS. Now-Carnivale getting cancelled? THAT's a damn shame.
Also- by Peter Venkman	Aug 30th, 2005 01:08:14 AM
gaurantee you that if this show is cancelled abruptly by FOX, these same naysayers will rally behind the show and curse the evil corporate FOX just so they can have something to rally behind, and they'll end up buying the DVD set. Pathetic.
Yeah this was alright, I'll keep watching by MaxCalifornia.	Aug 30th, 2005 01:38:22 AM
Decent filler show, I mean, what the hell else is there to do on a Monday night without Bauer and co.?
Tonay = known troll by Shan	Aug 30th, 2005 04:08:50 AM
This was demonstrated by past over-the-top sycophantic rantings about Buffy, so hyperbolic that repeated deletions resulted.
Some of these freakin' Critics are just Full of it. by Atomica	Aug 30th, 2005 09:12:49 AM

I give the show props for cutting off his toe. Also it was like by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 09:15:43 AM
It's not bad at all.
Oops, Anyway, It's a Decent show... by Atomica	Aug 30th, 2005 09:16:04 AM
Is it going to save the Primetime Action/Drama? Well, no but it's more than subpar also. I was fairly intrigued the whole show. And for a critic to question the "fear factor" in the show, When did getting your toe cut off by a pair of Hedge cutter by 4 muscle bound nasty ass prison fags become anything less than Terrifying? I guess these critics must enjoy that kinda thing. Morons.
I liked it enough to watch again next week. by Big Jim	Aug 30th, 2005 09:49:03 AM
I thought the second hour was much better than the first.
Doc Falken, Hercules, anyone? by Shan	Aug 30th, 2005 10:33:46 AM
Time to purge another ubertroll. I mean seriously ...
God, you Buffy apologists are irritating. by Lou C.	Aug 30th, 2005 10:49:04 AM
No disrespect, of course. I think the show's OK, but comparing in the pop culture realm to Star Trek. YOU think it belongs there because YOU like it. Go out on the street and ask someone who Spock is, or Scotty, or any other questions about the show. Even if they haven't watched it before, they'll know what you're talking about. Now ask them about Buffy. Think they'll know who Willow or Cordelia are? I'll bet a few of them even go, "That crappy movie with Kristy Swanson. Huh?" Remember, people, Buffy's ratings were excellent for the network it was on, but compared to other shows, well, more people watch "According to Jim." Sorry.
all right, in their defense by punto	Aug 30th, 2005 12:16:58 PM
the guy didn't actually _design_ the prison.. From what I saw, the guy has to be about 28 years old.. A develpment like that has to take at least 5 years (I'd say 10, but this is TV), so if the guy was around during the designing stage, he was like 23, barely out of college (again, this is TV). So by "I helped designing it", what he means is "I fetched cofee for the real architects, and then I cleaned those portable toilets they had at the construction site". He still had access to the blueprints, but that doesn't mean he designed it.
Actually Michael didn't design the prison, so he wouldn' by Jyoti	Aug 30th, 2005 01:02:21 PM
He just worked for the company who did. And the warden isn't jeopardizing his job. Prisoners are allowed to work in the offices at the prisons. So Warden Pope isn't doing anything wrong.
yeah, I was pretty drawn into it. by oisin5199	Aug 30th, 2005 01:28:09 PM
I think Wentworth Miller is very interesting to watch - and it's too bad he didn't get to develop his devil's advocate character on Joan of Arcadia. I liked the imagery with the origami - and the characters were engaging. Even Peter Stormare had good motivation to be a badass. And yes, the main guy did not design the prison - he worked for the company that subcontracted improvements and got a hold of the blueprints. I liked how it started after the plan had been conceived and we get to see what led up to it as the plan's put into action. The subtle shots of the newspaper clippings foreshadowing major plot points. The whole notion that someone would plan to be incarcerated and willingly go through that hell is intriguing and to me, is a great metaphor for initiation into the warrior archetype. Gotta admit, I'm hooked. And one last time - I love Buffy, Angel and Firefly - but not every show has to be like them. Nor would I want it too. I still say that people who call Whedon's dialogue all about the snark are only surface reading it. Firefly had the most stylized dialogue because of the Western setting, among other things, but it worked beautifully. In my mind, he's up there with Mamet with understanding the poetry of language in the current age. But that's a particular style. That language makes sense in the kind of settings and worlds that Joss creates. Other shows have their own worlds and their own approach - and that's how it should be. So stop comparing everything to Joss, tubgirl, you annoying prat!
Did he let them cut off his toe so that he can have time to hang by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 01:42:12 PM
Since the jig is somewhat up with him not being a diabetic. Anyway, the show isn't as addictive as Lost initially was. But I am not going to hate on it. And Fox seems to like it since they are airing a marathon on FX. So maybe they wont cancel this. Fox seems intent on rebuilding, or should I say build around Idol. House developed into a hit. The OC has fans. Family Guy got good ratings. They gave another season for Arrested. Reunion looks intriguing. Let's not bash Fox just yet.
OT: I'll ask again, was Wonderfalls a show with a gay follow by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 01:45:52 PM
They show that shit on Logo. Why is it on the MTV owned Gay channel? Was it a gay show? I tried to see what the fuss Herc always makes about it. I wound up not liking it. I couldn't sit and watch a show about a woman at a gift shop where the figurines talked to her. And on a side note, I was watching a Canadian soap with my cousin on a channel called WAM! and saw Grace Park. She was cute back then too.
I was pretty impressed by Dijonase24	Aug 30th, 2005 01:46:32 PM
It's not the best show I've ever seen, but who ever said that it has to be? It's an escapist action serial that I thought delivered exactly what it was supposed to. As far as designing the prison, I believe that Michael said he practically ghost wrote the renovation plans. The work was assigned to another engineer in hsi firm, but he helped out with the work. As for Michael, the actor playing him is 33 years old. I'd say that's plenty old enough to have worked on the prison renovations. And even if he were a bit young, who cares? I also have to agree with Atomica. Getting your little toe cut off by a gangster who is set on getting information from you is definitely pretty damn terrifying. I like the main characters in this show and I like the fact that Michael is more than likely going to have to juggle his alliegances to both stay alive and do everything he needs to do to escape. That should be entertaining to watch, and I plan to check in every Monday to see where this show goes. If you demand absolute perfection and reality from an escapist action serial like this then I don't know what to say to you. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Actually, Mr. Profit... by Dijonase24	Aug 30th, 2005 02:23:10 PM
The jig isn't up on him not being a diabetic. He took the insulin blocker just in time, apparently, because when he went to the infirmary he tested positive for diabetes. Wait a minute, there's no way that he would be able to pop a swallowable capsule and have it dissolve quickly enough for the test to have been positive. Reality police! Quickly, arrest those writers!
I don't think he'll get his toe cut off... by Russman	Aug 30th, 2005 03:13:27 PM
Even though the Closed Caption system wrote out "Click", I think they'll get interrupted before they do it. So is this going to be a one season show? I mean, lets say he gets out, then they have to hide and figure out who set big brother up. How long will they stretch that out? Will the show then turn into the Fugitive, where the two cons run from town to town? Oh and why are prison guards always starting fights and being dicks? Yeah, they're locked up with human scum but every movie/tv prison guard always has a bug up his ass and is brutal to the convicts. Is it like that in real life? If so, why don't prisons psych screen for this? Or are convicts that fucked up that you have to be that cruel to guard them.
I remember reading that Season 2 will be like "The Fugitive". Ap by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 03:53:27 PM
And LMAO at the reality police. Let's sic them on Lost, Angel, Buffy, and The Gilmore Girls.
Russman by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 03:59:08 PM
My uncles and cousin are corrections officers. One has been one for almost 25 years here in MYC. He is a lunatic and needs an evaluation because he totally acts like he is in jail (technically he is). But it all depends on the person because my other uncle is the coolest guy you'd ever meet and isn't a jack ass to the inmates. My cousin got a baby shower thrown for her when she was pregnant by her inmates. They loved her. So the stereotype is mainly true, but who wants to see a show with inmates throwing an officer a baby shower? BTW, them calling him Fish, is that a nod to the Buffy episode he was in before? Also it would have been funny if some OZ people had cameos as prison staff.
YOU IDIOTS by snowpuff	Aug 30th, 2005 04:22:12 PM
Brett Ratner directed the premiere of this series. Why have you not spent this entire talkback talking about Brett Ratner?!?! The Buffy people are throwing you guys off your game. BRETT RATNER! BRETT RATNER! BRETT RATNER! Discuss.
Fish by Big Jim	Aug 30th, 2005 05:11:20 PM
Fish is a term that means new inmate. I believe it comes from "fresh fish". I first heard the term used in The Shawshank Redemption.
Big Jim by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 07:18:37 PM
I wasn't serious. I was joking.
Big Jim by Mr. Profit	Aug 30th, 2005 07:21:27 PM
And thanks for the response :)
by foreignerbelt	Aug 30th, 2005 11:14:29 PM
fish is the term used for people who respond to Tonay as if he's real. (Mr Miracle I'm looking in your direction)
The Next Season of 24 Should Feature 8 Episodes of the Character by ZombieSolutions	Aug 31st, 2005 10:34:33 AM
for god sake, they've been wide awake for like 3 days straight! are they all on meth? wtf? (24 jumped the shark when the incredibly hot Elisha Cuthbert got her haircut and then left the show. the first season had so much bondange eyecandy as to astound the most restrained of pervy libidos.)
"when she was pregnant by her inmates" by oisin5199	Aug 31st, 2005 10:36:23 AM
wow, prison gangbangs really happen? sorry, couldn't resist.
Mr. Profit and Wonderfalls by Gheorghe Zamfir	Aug 31st, 2005 10:51:14 AM
The sister of the main character on Wonderfalls is lesbian, so there you go Logo.
Prison Break did good.... by Russman	Aug 31st, 2005 10:54:52 AM
Saw this in some trades: The first broadcast primetime premiere of the new season aired on Monday night. *****Prison Break won its 8-10p block with a 4.6/12 A18-49 rating, dominating that demo category for the night according to Nielsen Media Research. With M18-49, Prison Break earned a 4.7/13. ******* looks like this show may stick around.
Thanks Mr. Profit. by Russman	Aug 31st, 2005 10:57:47 AM
Would your first name happen to be, Jim?
Russman by Mr. Profit	Aug 31st, 2005 03:18:54 PM
Nah, my name is Bruno.
Damn you HERC by bluebottle	Aug 31st, 2005 04:08:46 PM
I agree with you 100% and it's ALL YOUR FAULT.
Aren't the seasons of 24 months and years apart? by Shan	Aug 31st, 2005 07:30:25 PM
Don't know for sure as I haven't been watching - but is that right?
P.S So a chance to catch some sleep is my point ... by Shan	Aug 31st, 2005 07:31:48 PM

Wonderfalls by optimus122	Sep 1st, 2005 04:46:37 AM
Was not a gay show but the main characters sister is a lesbian so one can assume thats why its on that channel..the show is pretty funny and Jaye is so damn cute..
Lost by Mr. Profit	Sep 1st, 2005 06:11:07 AM
How come Herc is not talking about the clip on oceanic-air.com where Kate falls in the hatch because Locke drops her? And then a light flashes in the hatch? Looks like Kate will either be a goner this season, or will be missing for some part of it.
he stayed the season, dumbass. by oisin5199	Sep 1st, 2005 12:59:51 PM
Stop projecting your myopic view of the world on everyone else. And I believe the creators of Wonderfalls (who aren't Tim Minear) are also gay, thus the LOGO thing.
TubgirlTonay, I never had any problems with your stupid posts. by Mr. Profit	Sep 1st, 2005 02:25:18 PM
I always ignored you because I knew you were joking/making fun of AICN's fanatical love of everything Whedon. But don't call me an idiot ever again. Don't do shit that you wouldn't have the balls to do in person.
by foreignerbelt	Sep 1st, 2005 04:46:51 PM
Mr. Profit wins everything.
Good premise and good pilot secure the network deal. by kabong	Sep 1st, 2005 06:28:52 PM
Then the series flops.
Prison Humping by Noam	Sep 1st, 2005 08:02:37 PM
I personaly didn't care for the show, but if you do watch it and enjoy. I didn't really enjoy 24 either and the rest of the world wants to have its babies. On the Whedon trip, I loved Firefly and would have loved to see it continue, but it didn't(side note: Fox is to blame for running the shows out of order which did make the plot hard to follow). Oh Well. Others must have agreed because we have the Serenity movie coming out at the end of September. Wonderfalls was also a favorite and I'm straight, but Fox should have given it a few more weeks to build an audience before scrapping it in favor of repeat viewings of a lame reality show that aired the exact same ep. only three days earlier. I and many others own the dvd. I'mjust saying if you like Prison Break enjoy it while it's on. If not just join me in not watching it anymore. Either way The tv universe is big enough for us all. Also for the person who said Joss Whedon was a misogynist, all that I can say in response is that at least he writes decent female characters.
Herc - looks like you weren't paying too much attention by tmccray	Sep 2nd, 2005 01:11:22 AM
You said "The guy who spent years designing a prison can
prison break by slkboxrman	Sep 2nd, 2005 05:32:18 AM
not sure who posted it earlier but someone said they didnt like the fact that they know whats goin to happen based on the title of the show...duh. thats why u would watch, to see how they get out and the aftermath of it. billions of people seen titanic and it made tons of money, ya think anyone knew the damn boat wasnt gonna sink ? and even if u dont count that, in most tv shows the good guys prevail so of course he has to get out ....if theres one thing that really pisses me off is idiots that dissect a plot for a television show ,,,hello !! its a television show..it isnt supposed to be realistic, nothing on tv is... when u lame brains realize that, maybe u will grow and mature as something other than whiney little losers with nothing else better to do than sit back and pick apart someones work..for the record 24 is the most unplausable show ever, but its entertainment. entertainment isnt supposed to make sense, do u watch porn for the acting or the writing ?? if u do then u have a prob...we watch for the action... prison break has some very amazing dialog for a prison, at least we dont got too cons talkin about what a great anus the new guy got or how many cigs it took to get a blowjob... also firefly may have had bad ratings but there are many shows STILL on the air with shitty ratings... ratings dont mean shit ....dont let them fool u....ANGEL had great ratings, the WB didnt want to bring it back because it wanted to put something else on the air..... look it up... no other reason..give all the new shows a chance, obviously they all wont be around next year but look out for ...invasion, surface, and threshold...they all look pretty darn good...
to mr.profit by slkboxrman	Sep 2nd, 2005 05:41:52 AM
about your comment on the preview clip on oceanicair.com.... first off locke doesnt drop her, the vine comes loose, he tries to stop her from falling...anyways how do u connect the fact of her dropping and the light coming on as her getting killed or going missing ? is the light a death ray or a transporter ? listen u seem smart but if ya dont know ya dont know..the light may be pressure sensitive at the bottom of the stairs, thats why when locke was crying on it, the light came on cuz someone or something was lookin up at him... possibly ....but like i said , i dont know... ill wait to see what happens...... personally i think sayeed gets killed ....if u go thru all the clips including all of rouseaus....theres a clip of sayeed and her facing off with rifles and she shoots and walks away ... but again i will wait for the season to start before i start disecting
SLKbxrman by Mr. Profit	Sep 2nd, 2005 07:35:52 AM
Hey man, the reason I said that was because I read an article where Evangeline Lilly said this season she's going to have more personal time to explore Hawaii. You know when anyone from Lost says anything, the conspiracy theory's begin. Her having more personal time means a reduced role for part of the season so maybe she disappears in the hatch and doesn't re-appear until later on. I saw the clip quickly and could not rewind it so to me it looked like he dopped her. But then again you can't trust Locke either. Also I heard there are going to be a lot of Michelle Rodriguez eps. I think that's stupid. I dislike her as an actress and don't want to watch episodes about her backstory? Which will be what? Before she was on the plane she was a one note actress who played the same variation of her Girlfight character in every movie? Kristen from E also said what is in the hatch starts and ends with the same letter.
interesting by slkboxrman	Sep 3rd, 2005 12:17:42 AM
starts and ends with the same letter huh ? hmmmm thats gonna start alot more conspiracy theories....i never saw girlfight so i dont have a reference for miss rodriguez...but i did like her in fast and the furious, and resident evil....never saw swat...but who knows, maybe she wil be good in lost....best thing is to have an open mind....
Looks like you know who has been purged again ... by Shan	Sep 3rd, 2005 10:12:09 AM
... and good riddance.
Hercules, you are a . by Lord_Soth	Sep 4th, 2005 08:40:50 AM
There was more entertainment and originality in Prison Break's first 2 episodes, than in the whole Buffy saga.
by foreignerbelt	Sep 4th, 2005 07:30:23 PM
radar? bomb? clinic? dead? electrogramme? diamond? tourniquet? solipsis? dude anything could be inside the hatch. Beelzebub could be in there. more hints. need more hints.

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