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Diddy Hosts MTV

First by hnbman	Aug 28th, 2005 04:36:47 AM
I hate diddy!!!
Oh yeah by hnbman	Aug 28th, 2005 04:37:20 AM
And fuck first posters!!!
The best thing to do is just ignore it by Monkey Butler	Aug 28th, 2005 04:46:29 AM
It won't go away, but you won't get pissed off by it.
whats mtv? by dr.bulber	Aug 28th, 2005 04:58:11 AM
whats the mvas? whos diddy?
I like the MTV award shows... by DerLanghaarige	Aug 28th, 2005 05:01:57 AM
...but in the last three years even the Movie Awards became boring!!!
MTV programming is now geared toward 12 year old girls. I remem by Swarmy	Aug 28th, 2005 05:03:57 AM
Yes, I am old.
MTV is ass. by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 05:17:40 AM
I can't believe they didn't let Nine Inch Nails play just because they wanted a picture of Bush in the background... pussies.
I'm glad his fat butt buddy was gunned down by zekmoe	Aug 28th, 2005 06:29:33 AM
What an awful excuse for a human being. The Noxious P.i.G and his liver lipped masacre of engish passing as music? I know I am way too old for this demographic, but really, it's the worst of rap. But like politics, where you fail upwards by making the worst possible choices, music seems to be that you reap the finacial rewards by making the worst musical statement. I think they should egg him and see how he reacts!
It's sad that VH-1 is cooler than Mtv now by I Dunno	Aug 28th, 2005 07:01:56 AM
Seriously, they have more to do with rock than Mtv does. Fuck Mtv. They're even responsible for all this reality TV bullshit by starting it with the Real World. Die Mtv, die.
i thought maybe vh1 just became better once you got "old" by Toe Jam	Aug 28th, 2005 07:37:37 AM
but now, as a 26-year-old, i realize it's not because i'm getting older, but because mtv does, in fact, suck loads of marmot ass. i mean, who doesn't LOVE four-minute commercial breaks? mtv has them ... i've literally timed them to confirm this. also shameful is the fact that they've turned two other mtv properties -- mtv2 (once really cool) and mtv hits -- into 24-hour-a-day hip-hop stations. i don't begrudge anyone who listens to hip-hop, but i would just like a little variety in the lineup. since they got rid of vh1 megahits (i nearly cried that day) i've missed a slew of new videos from artists i actually like. it's just so goddamn depressing. fuck you, mtv ... fuck you right in your stupid ass.
"Yo, I invented the remix" Sounds like a confession to me. Let&# by Big Bad Clone	Aug 28th, 2005 08:13:04 AM
Will Diddy dedicate the show to his birth mother, Biggy Smalls?
"I invented the remix . . . hoo hoo, tell 'em Fred." by mascan	Aug 28th, 2005 08:33:58 AM

Well, MTV has a problem on it's hands, as The BET Awards com by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 09:26:46 AM
Now when you watch the VMA's, you see nothing but manufactured shock, stupid performances, and weak rock bands. Thank God for some bright spots in the lineup like Green Day, Clarkson, Shakira, and Kanye. But it's all wack. The show should be loaded with many performances, and performances by top sellers. How come Ciara who is almost triple platinum is not on the bill when she almost sold as much as Beyonce? And no performance by Gwen? Her CD hasn't dropped out of the top 10.
And MTV Hits is not loaded with Hip Hop. That station is annoyin by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 09:31:37 AM
Click Five, Fall Out Boy, and all those stupid faux rock bands that the lead singer sounds like everyone else's lead singer. And shit VH1 is better than MTV. More variety, a top 20 countdown (Remember when MTV did that) and better shows. Also how come MTV did not exploit the opportunity to have The Pussycat Dolls perform? The lead singer is fucking hot.MTV is wack, and Fuse is wacker. My favorite video channel will always be The Box. The Box was the only place viewers could call and request videos and they would appear on screen seconds later.
Oi... by Kamikaze_Jones	Aug 28th, 2005 09:56:43 AM
First off, MTV is a strange creature these days. It isn't so much that they don't play videos that it is that they only play like 5 or 10 videos, and they play the shit outta them. No way am I watching these fuckin' VMAs, although I might tune in to check out Green Day. Or I might not, since Green Day just makes me sad lately. Up until the release of American Idiot, I would've counted Green Day as one of my ten favorite bands. They were a band that followed after the heart of my generation, and trying to be individual in a society where everything is so fucking boring people are too lazy to care about those "punk-ass kids." But now...now they look like any Emo-shite band you've ever seen. The suits and the eyeshadow and the mopey videos? No thank you, that's not the Green Day I signed up for, I miss the blue hair and pullovers, nose-ring, middle-fingers in the air Green Day, not the one that ends up on Kidz Bop (My little brother told me he wanted it, so I hit him and made him listen to Dookie.). Grarg. K, I'm done.
well done Kamikaze_Jones... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 10:11:59 AM
I would've done the same thing, being as Kidz Bop is a crime against music and Dookie is one of the best albums of the 90's. As for Fuse being wacker than MTV as another person said, Fuse is awesome because they (GASP) actually play videos most of the time (and MTV wouldn't bother with something like Warped Wednesdays, bastards) with horrible exceptions like Daily Downloads where the play some of the video and then plug some product or whatever. The only show on MTV I watch is Made because it's kind of interesting sometimes. And Andy Milonakis makes me laugh then realize that this kills more brain cells than pot. Oh yeah, and Falloutboy isn't bad, Click Five is DEFINATELY BAD. I hate bands that dress up like they're trying to be punk/emo and then sound like pop-pansies. AGHHHH I HATE POSERS. God I'm bored...
And in music news... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 10:14:19 AM
Slipknot (puke) is suing Burger King for those Coq Roq commercials. Bastards must think they're the only band that wears masks (KISS, Mushroomhead, formally Mudvayne).
Diddy should be executed for what he did to Sting's song by lynxpro	Aug 28th, 2005 10:18:02 AM
What a travesty "I Will Be Missing You" was. To ruin "Every Breath You Take" to make as a tribute to Biggie. Pathetic. What he did to Zepplin's song was also unforgiveable. Who buys this guy's shizzle? Are they really stupid? What's even worse is that McDonald's has hired his Sean John label to redesign the McDonald's uniforms. Like McDonald's is the place for promoting thuggery. Know what? Doctor Dre is talented in his productions. P-Diddy-Balls-on-Chinny is not. Of course, I don't know if his own boasting is more offensive than Ahston Kutcher declaring Diddy the modern Sammy Davis Jr. of the (faux) NuRatPack...
Who the hell watches award shows anyway... by ComputerGuy68	Aug 28th, 2005 10:46:03 AM
just to see a bunch of self congratulating millionaires lip-synch to crappy songs? Music is pretty much dead today anyway. They bitch about downloads when the problem is that most of it is garbage.
zekmoe you dont know jack by fried samurai	Aug 28th, 2005 10:48:03 AM
If your not familiar with hip hop then you shouldnt judge it.Your glad Biggie got gunned down.Nice.He and Tupac were the last two good things about hip hop.Every rapper in the game has nothing but the highest respect for them.I'll admit hip hop has been total shit lately I myself have turned to old soul and jazz.But if your one of those people who just hear Yo Yo YO every time you hear rap then your just ignorant and not open minded when it comes to different music.I'm sure whatever music you listen to has its good and bad..ps I hate P Diddy too.See its ok to not like all rap..peace
Diddy is the George Hamilton of Rap Music, hes famous for being by Spacesheik	Aug 28th, 2005 11:03:51 AM
rich, vain, materialistic, flamboyant, nothing THERE there - his claim to fame was hitting a music executive, JLO and remixing "Every breath you take" Wow - what an accomplisment!!
Zekmoe is probably a fat troll himself. by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 11:06:40 AM
its obvious you're ignorant about rap. funny enough, its always people like you who always have something to say about it, even though its obvious you're out of the culture and no one would really care for your opinion. Biggie was an amazing rap artist. 2Pac i find to be terribly overrated but was still a great artist. Diddy hosting the VMAs... does anyone really care?
At least its not the Wayans Brothers by Voice O. Reason	Aug 28th, 2005 11:24:47 AM
They hosted the VMAs in 2000. Remember? It was the VMAs they hosted in 2000, not the Movie Awards. Every fucking year Herc reports the Wayans Brothers once hosted the MTV movie awards, and every year I correct him, but he still manages to get it wrong the next year.
Please.... by Ace Hunter	Aug 28th, 2005 11:28:59 AM
...somebody tell this guy his name is Sean Combs and to live with it. By the way, please refer to me as Ace "Puff-Piddy-Diddy-Donkey Punch" Hunter
Sean Combs=George Hamilton? I think not. Zorro the Gay Blade is by Big Bad Clone	Aug 28th, 2005 11:38:02 AM
"He was dressed in red like an apple" "He was dressed in yellow like a banana" "He was dressed in purple like a plum" "Who is this man that fights my soldiers as dresses like a fruit"
Oh and his NY marathon run.... by Big Bad Clone	Aug 28th, 2005 11:42:27 AM
You have to enter a lotto to get into the NY marathon now. My dad and his buddies have run it before but have gotten rejection letters for the past few years. Combs acts like he's superman for doing it while my father is an overweight 57 year old that has completed over 29 marathons. Puff Daddy ain't got nothing on my daddy...except money which is odd since I don't know a single person that has ever bought anything produced by that no-talent hack. But maybe that is because my friends have taste.
"You aren't open-minded about rap! Waaaaah!" by Tacodave	Aug 28th, 2005 11:54:08 AM

by Tacodave	Aug 28th, 2005 11:55:02 AM
That's what you babies sound like. Did you know it's possible for us to listen to rap and DECIDE we don't like it with an open mind? Seriously, there are no rap 'artists' because all you have to be able to do is rhyme in rhythm. I can do that.
Taco stop being silly. Rapping takes more than just being able t by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 12:01:48 PM

And Diddy needs to be careful tonight, I just read Suge knight g by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 12:04:09 PM
This shit is getting ridiculous. Rap started to slowly die when Biggie and Tupac were killed. Then lame Jay Z took over and changed his whole style and started talking about excess and bullshit. Everysong he came out with name checked girl clothes. Yet to many hes the greatest rapper alive. Get the fuck out of here. That's why Nas ate him for breakfast with Ether.
MTV has one last bastion of good music... by cockdiesel	Aug 28th, 2005 12:13:31 PM
MTV2's Subterranean is the only show left in the network that has a shred of integrity. Of course its only on at like 2 in the morning. It evolved from their previous only show worth watching, 120 Minutes. Now its only 60 minutes long and Matt Pinfield got the boot for drug abuse. You may have noticed that all of MTV2 started out great with great intentions years ago, until they came under the same management as regular MTV. Some staff are trying to fight back witht his whole 2 Headed Dog campaign but unfortunately it'll probably lose out to the almighty 12 year old girl's dollar. If you're an "oldhead" with digital cable, VH1 classics is definitely refreshing. Its an actual music channel. I'm pretty sure its all owned by the same suits though.
Wow. by lilgoodmn	Aug 28th, 2005 12:29:55 PM
I have read talkbacks on this site for years, and what zekmoe said about the Notorious B.I.G. is probably one of the most tasteless things I have ever seen on here. Holy shit, man.
my favorite summation of rap (courtesy of "family guy") by Toe Jam	Aug 28th, 2005 12:41:43 PM
in the episode in which peter is placed under house arrest, he spends some of his time listening to the police scanner. brian walks into the room and hears it: "is it me or is gangsta rap getting lazier?"
Suddenly Jimmy Fallon and Lindsay Lohan don't seem so bad. by ScreamingPenis	Aug 28th, 2005 01:00:24 PM
wow. MTV has managed to redefine the awards show bottom once again. there is no way they will be able to make it worse than this. actually, getting a professional athlete to host the VMAs or the movie awards might enable the show to be less funny.
The only good thing that MTV ever brought to us was Jackass. by moviemaniac-7	Aug 28th, 2005 01:04:21 PM
Just because it was as stupid as it was funny as hell! Sadly, numerouos rip-offs followed. Recently I watched MTV for about half an hour. I saw commercials, interviews with some talentless hacks, more commercials, promos & 1 music video (some weak-ass R&B). One question, WHAT THE FUCK STANDS THE 'M' FOR IN MTV?? I worship the altar that is VH1 Classic: Non stop videoclips from the 80s and 90s. MTV, take notice, you hack fucks.
Zekmoe takes it up the butt! by Malebolgia	Aug 28th, 2005 01:05:33 PM
I can't stand the way rap sounds nowadays and hopefully it's at the end of it's rope, so now we'll appreciate the classic stuff like B.I.G.
there was no host last year... by jig98	Aug 28th, 2005 01:06:50 PM
that and because it was in miami instead of radio city music hall was probably because last years show didnt get great response. anyone agree with me on this?
The MTV I have only plays Osbournes, Viva La Bam, Jackass ---- h by Spacesheik	Aug 28th, 2005 01:27:19 PM

My people! by Jumpstart	Aug 28th, 2005 01:35:11 PM
Aaah, yes, tonight P-Diddley-Doodley is at it again...oh, I'm sorry, tha P is comin' twixt us an him, ain it? I'll refrain from calling him anything other than "dipshit asshole" then. Maybe I'm old (26) and too middle-class, but I don't know a single person who's buying that shit, either in money or credibility. And everytime I see him, I really want to see someone, anyone at all, punch that no-talent meglomaniacal loser right in those lazy-ass lips of his. I'm serious. There are so few people in this world that bring up so much hatred in me when I see them. Like, for instance, let's take Dipshit Asshole. He thinks changing his name is more important than actually producing something. Seriously, does he have anything better to do? If not, why the flying fuck is he famous?
Classic stuff like B.I.G.?? Oh pshaw! by zekmoe	Aug 28th, 2005 01:36:50 PM
Dude, just because I absolutely HATED his horrible blubbering, mouth full of marbles and cheeze rap, doesn't mean I know nothing of the genre. He lived a life he deserved. He got what he deserved. Don't try and act like he was some innocent accidently killed in some unrelated melee'. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or in his case, a stolen Glock. Rap has added alot of cool style and feel to pop music, in addition to flooding it with meaninless drivel that would make the lyrics of Frankie and Annette seem meaninful. Can I get a Crunk Crunk?
Tacodave also likes it in the ass apparently. by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 01:46:25 PM
so you can rhyme in rhythmn? i'd like to see you try without me laughing. Rap/Hip Hop is a form of music, like any other form of music. to assume that everyone can do it is simply stupid. just because you see 50 Cent on tv doesn't mean he's doing it properly. stop judging rap by what you see on MTV, dumbass.
zekmoe, you're a moron. by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 01:48:10 PM
if you didn't even like tracks such as "Unbelievable", "Kick In The Door", "Respect"... then your hip hop knowledge is seriously suspect. if you even have a knowledge of it.
MTV2: Where The Music Was by Robert_G_Durant	Aug 28th, 2005 01:50:19 PM
Does anyone remember the rude "Where the music's at" ads for MTV2 where an angry guy from MTV threw a TV tuned to MTV2 through people's windows, and then the announcer told their viewers to shut up about them never playing music? I think about those commercials every time I flip over to MTV2 and find the Andy Milonakis show. I read that Andy Milonakis had a video of himself rapping on the internets (all three of them) that was emailed around a lot for a week, and MTV hurried and gave him his own show so they'd be there at the starting point for the next new trend. Talk about betting on the wrong horse. Watching Andy Milonakis is like a montage of the worst parts of every amateur comedy sketch and high school play. It's not so bad it's good, it's so bad it's boring. HOW can you have a weekly show about a fat kid with no shame acting like an idiot, and not have a single funny moment?! The only way that's possible is if no one is trying AT ALL. Here, I'm gonna think of a really good gag for Andy Milonakis to do, and it'll be pure gold because laughing at someone who's fat and stupid is what we as Americans do best (I think it's ingrained in us as children by watching The Goonies while we're impressionable). Okay here goes.... uhh.... got it. Andy walks around the mall with no shirt on hugging random people. I'd laugh. That took me TWO SECONDS. ...I guess I wouldn't be so bummed about MTV2 being reformatted into the Viva La Bam & Pimp My Ride re-run channel if they'd at least show some new Wonder Showzen. I saw all the footage they've been airing years ago, back when it was a cult video on the internets. All I really want is for MTV2 to go back to being all music like it was before I finally moved to a city that carried MTV2. It's not fair.
REMIXING A SONG IS LIKE ADMITTING YOU WERE WRONG by s0nicdeathmonkey	Aug 28th, 2005 01:52:56 PM

Green Day is still the powerhouse it once was... by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 01:59:09 PM
When I first got American Idiot, I thought it was ok, but I was slowly losing interest in it. Then I saw them at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium last November, and it was one of the best fucking shows I've ever seen. They had so much energy and played so fucking well, it was insane. The show made me appreciate the cd that much more (even though there still are a couple of tracks worth skipping through, but you can't really escape that from most cds). It's probably my number 2 of all time, only behind the first Berkeley show of the Pixies reunion last September, and only because Green Day's openers were crap (sugarcult, garbage, and new found glory, ebola feces), and because Fear opened for the Pixies, and Fear is fucking hilarious.
More thoughts on Green Day... by Kamikaze_Jones	Aug 28th, 2005 02:21:18 PM
I guess its just hard, because my whole life has been predicated on being into "cool" music and shitting on popular stuff, mainly as I was raised in a punk rock family and only good shit was allowed in our house. The only mainstream band I ever really connected with was Green Day, and now I just feel like they've moved on to the next big fad and left the loyal fans in the dust. I swear to christ, some kid in some forum I was in (I wanna say Tarantino.info, but I don't remember exactly) was listing new rock bands in this big long anti-poser attack, and in between Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance I saw Green Day's name and died a little inside...Alright, that's all, I'm out.
What makes me mad... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 02:23:15 PM
Is when the preps and the wangstas listen to American Idiot stuff and think it's great but then I put in International Superhits and they think it SUCKS. I weep for the current generation, and Green Day is an awesome band still but their old stuff is a BILLION times better, mainly because they take everything so freakin seriously you know? What with the political crap (I'd say the same for System of a Down except they still make crrazy music). Bands mature (Sum 41, Blink 182, Metallica for the worst as St. Anger blew testes)but what happened to Geek Stink Breath and Longview? But why complain they still rule more than most music on the radio today.
green day the only "true" rock band left in the world? LMAO by Toe Jam	Aug 28th, 2005 02:37:54 PM
you retarded git, have you never heard of motherfucking oasis or black rebel motorcycle club or ... and you will know us by the trail of dead or the eleventy million other bands out there who are rocking it hardcore and are about a thousand times more "rock" than fucking green day? the problem isn't that there is a dirth of good rock bands, it's that fuckheads (like you) are too goddamn lazy to find them. you all rely too much on mainstream radio and other shite avenues through which to find your "rock" music. so get off your ass and try something that isn't spoon-fed to you via mtv.
Suge Knight shot at VMA party by Orionsangels	Aug 28th, 2005 02:56:51 PM
This years VMA's are cursed? and why is diddy kong from donkey kong country hosting? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/910675 5/
Green Day Saves Rock! (the cover that made me hate entertainment by mrgreentheplant	Aug 28th, 2005 03:06:50 PM
What everyone liked about Green Day back in the dookie years was how accurate and hilarious their point of view on adolecence was. It wasnt whiny or "angsty" or even particularly rebellious, it was just an easily relatable record to youth on topics like boredom, etc. Then they move on to some condecensive bullshit political statement American Idiot that says absolutely NOTHING about ANYTHING and people praise them as the return of rock. What the fuck was that album? There are some catchy/rockin songs on there, i'll admit, but they didnt actually say a single thing except driving the point home that george bush loves oil and the government is corrupt. wow good job green day. they tried something different and that's fine, but american idiot is a travesty to those who loved dookie.
GREEN DAY!??!? ONLY PURE ROCK BAND!??! by Tal111	Aug 28th, 2005 03:07:13 PM
You gotta be kidding!! They claim to be punk while wearing designer suits!! Simply putting on eyeliner while putting on a wacky face does not make you edgy. Are you one of those who thinks Avril Lavigne is punk?!? LMAO
Oasis is nothing compared to Blur! by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 03:19:38 PM
and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club is pretty cool, lookin forward to getting their new cd. There's a lot more great music out now, surprisedly so, like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Arcade Fire (despite their now being played on MTV and VH1), and I've just been downloading single upon single from great indie bands. Actually, if you want to listen to great rock that you won't hear anywhere else, listen to Radioio Rock, the internet music station, just pure, great free music, and maybe one commercial per 15 songs, just so they can stay afloat (it's mostly a listener-donated station).
I went to a gunfight and a rap concert broke out.... by GrandMuffTarkin	Aug 28th, 2005 03:28:41 PM
Thank you, drive home safe. Oh and I ran the marathon in 2003; passed Diddy at mile 16 - sucka had his underlings bringing him water, unlike everyone else that has to scramble to the tables every 3 miles or so...
I recall people shitting on Green Day when they first came out. by Big Bad Clone	Aug 28th, 2005 03:44:58 PM
and that's only if you watch the ten or so videos they play in the middle of the night.
"Whatever's too stupid to be spoken is sung." - - Voltaire by Franky 5 Fingers	Aug 28th, 2005 03:51:09 PM
"Whatever's too stupid to be sung is rapped." - TB'ers
Anyone see taht Kayne West video where he is bitching about awar by Big Bad Clone	Aug 28th, 2005 03:55:43 PM
as self centered as rap is, it just seems more so when you put your fucking ego over a good song and powerful imagery. Go back to flashy cars and drum machines, assholes.
BTW- I wouldn't know any of these rapper's names if they by Big Bad Clone	Aug 28th, 2005 03:57:07 PM

I too remember when MTV actually played videos by HillaryLovesMe	Aug 28th, 2005 04:12:13 PM
Now it's a "lifestyle" channel. Which means they don't play videos.
hip hop to me by fried samurai	Aug 28th, 2005 04:14:53 PM
Hip hop to me has always been poetry in motion or the spoken word or whatever they're calling it now.I'm probably showing my age but I remember actually seeing people like SugarHill Gang,Kurtis Blow and Run Dmc performing live in parks.This was all pre MTV.For me its always been about the lyrics.Personally I hate where rap is now.Rapping about Bently's,Prada suits and degrading women doesnt do it for me anymore.Years ago rappers would rap about how life was for them on a personal level.Whether it be polital,financial,social status or just about having a good time.What mattered was who delivered it the best lyrically.Thats all.Who had the best flow.Today a rapper can have one single out from their first album yet their video portrays them like some sort of millionare.Thats what kills me.It doesnt feel real no authenticity.Just my two cents.peace
The great debate... Rap, Rock, Kanye, P Diddle, Dave Grohl by Franky 5 Fingers	Aug 28th, 2005 04:31:21 PM
Yeah, rap is awful these days - - it is one-dimensional, materialistic, misogynistic, hasn't evolved in years, blah blah blah. Yes, it's at the point where certain guys are being called "geniuses" seemingly for the sole reason that they aren't fucking morons (see: Kanye West). I'm not such a big fan of Kanye, although I admire him for refusing to portray that old, tired thug mentality. On the other hand, I could do without the Jesus imagery, his weak flow, and his tendency to believe that everything he does is somehow changing the world for the better. Read through his lyrics - the guy isn't nearly as deep as he thinks he is, or as he's portrayed to be. But still, I'd take a million Kanye's over one P Diddle. Diddle is just as self-important as Kanye, just as arrogant, but he hasn't really done anything other than producing flash-in-the-pan acts like Mase and The Band, made a couple (admittedly cool) cameos in two indie flicks and, yes, ridden the late Biggie's coattails to fame and fortune. On the other hand, to simply say that "rap sucks," is to overlook the fact that for the most part, rock sucks, too. If I see Dave Grohl and his gigantic mouth one more time on tv, whining about how there's no depth to rap or pop music or anything else, I'm gonna... well, I'm not going to do anything other than curse to myself and wish that I could ask him to his face why he never seems to take lame rock bands to task, especially to the degree that he rips into well-known black artists. I like Dave, and I don't think he's racist, but I think there's definitely a double standard there. My main gripe though, when it all comes down to it, is that many of these celebrities seem to equate fame, notoriety and the ability to accumulate wealth with intelligence. Thus, rather than simply dealing with their inspipd lyrics and comically self-indulgent videos, we also have to listen to their sanctimonious bullshit about how things REALLY are and how they should be. Just because people turn and listen when you speak does not mean that you have anything worthwhile to add. Just smile, shut up and look good. I listen to popular music as an escape, not to be enlightened.
Just a quick note for all the "rap haters". by lilgoodmn	Aug 28th, 2005 04:48:04 PM
As much as you would like it to, it's not going to go away. And as long as there are people (dead or alive) like Christopher Wallace, Tupac Shakur, Sean Carter, Nasir Jones, Marshall Mathers, Kanye West, and a host of others, it is just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. The truth hurts a little bit, doesn't it?
You know how I know you're gay? by Uga	Aug 28th, 2005 04:50:05 PM
You listen to Coldplay.
Bleh by Darth Melkor	Aug 28th, 2005 04:50:26 PM
I won't watch one second. Even MTV's once glorious Movie Awards have lost their appeal. They're just not any good anymore. Bring back Arsenio!!!
IamTool'sUserId, way to spark off nonsense by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 04:54:08 PM
so you don't think GOOD rapping takes talent? good for you. you're one of those many trolls who thinks so. i don't even know why some of you are trying to defend rap. virtually most music out right now is straight garbage. i'm not against people who don't like rap. for some people, it is simply not their style. that is understandable. but to dismiss it as not being music, or being 'crap' or with no talent, i simply have to call you a troll by definition. and Jack, can you please get off my nuts, or wolfatthedoor's for that matter? no one was talking to you, and you suddenly bust out of nowhere. all tools should be kept in the closet.
lilgoodmn, i can already seen Jack crying like a little bitch. by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 04:55:20 PM
rap probably violates each and every part of his basement self-esteem.
fuck you and your "whitey hates blacks" bullshit by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 05:06:18 PM
Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy were one of the funniest fuckers out there. Jimmy Fallon was obscenely unfunny. There are plenty of shitty white and black hosts. Dumb asses. "Marshall Mathers" hasn't been anywhere near as good since The Slim Shady LP, his only consistently good cd. The Marshall Mathers LP was ok, The Eminem Show was garbage, Encore was worse. He was his best when he was playful, not the serious bitch. What we can all hope for is that rap will just keep going along this path of crap until it gets so big that it collapses under it's own weight of bling and escalades so that real talented rappers like Blackalicious and Jurassic 5 will become the standard.
of course, what really needs to happen is a fucking revolution.. by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 05:11:25 PM
mtv needs to be destroyed. It is a cancer to society. You really shouldn't capitalize it, because it's not Music Television anymore, as someone said, "it's a lifestyle channel." If there's any part of America that needs change, I think people on both sides can agree that it's the mtv-style commericalism that needs to go.
iamnicksaicnsn by Franky 5 Fingers	Aug 28th, 2005 05:12:15 PM
At least Eminem has shown some variety in his music. Encore kinda sucked, but you can't argue that it was all pretty much one giant experiment (it even alludes to this on the face of the actual disc). For better or worse, Eminem has evolved as an artist. You can't exactly say the same for many of the popular bands/rap acts out there.
The overwhelming majority of rock, pop and hip hip... by DocPazuzu	Aug 28th, 2005 05:15:56 PM
...played on commercial TV channels today is absolute shit. It's all phony "punk rockers" with poser tattoos, middle-class rappers trying to pass chicken pox scars off as bullet holes, smoking hot female trio talent vacuums and spasmo "metal" bands disguising their lack of originality behind "angst" and truly awful riffs. MTV is Satan made electronic flesh. All associated with its unholy mission upon this good Earth deserve to watch Kanye West and Blink 182 videos while roasting in the depths of The Sloar for all eternity.
Yeah, i'll agree with that. Variety, for better or worse, i by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 05:24:55 PM
the same shit over and over. I guess I'm just disappointed that he never came back with anything strong before his retirement, if that's still happening.
Green Day... by Wungolioth	Aug 28th, 2005 05:30:48 PM
I actually have like almost every song I've heard off of American Idiot, but people have to understand, complaining that Green Day isn't punk anymore is like asking whatever happened to parachute pants. Green Day haven't been punk since after Dookie was a smash hit, and Good Riddance(Time of Your Life) was the last nail in the coffin.
Meh by Franky 5 Fingers	Aug 28th, 2005 05:40:19 PM
I think he just ran outta things to say. He's just bored making his own stuff, although it's odd that he still kills it on every track he does a cameo for. The way I see it, his job now is to a) help keep rap from running itself into the ground by producing solid, original tracks, or b) retire from public life. And as good as he is, the artists on his label (Obie Trice, D12, etc.) are really no better than any of the other generic shit that's out there. They just hapen to have better beats and a more marketable name pushing their stuff. Maybe he should choose b). I can't really get down with Em (or rap) anymore, but I'll always respect the guy.
i'm personally not a fan of Eminem. by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 05:53:12 PM
i find him highly overrated. he is talented. i don't think anyone who listens to rap can deny that. Em got talent. but he's definitely been slippin in that area, and not maximizing it. i find that people are already putting him in the top 20 of all time or whatever, yet there are top 20 rappers who have come out with at least 3 seriously noteworthy albums. anyway, hopefully Em will step his game up.
MTV will regret moving this show to Florida by emeraldboy	Aug 28th, 2005 05:55:46 PM
The Vmas belong in NY. There was always something exciting seeing what the stage was going to look like. One could understand last year Ny york was taken over by bush and his cronies. So why have it in fla this year. Last year the whole whos gotta bigger boat thing got tiring. IN the light of Suge knight getting shot MTV will have to distance its self from the likes of Diddy and Co. I wont we be watching this show again cause I cant be bothered to.
I read an article on Gillian Anderson by emeraldboy	Aug 28th, 2005 06:08:43 PM
Gillian Anderson was born in the UK and moved to Michigan when she was 11. She now hates America and said in the interview, that she knows people who are embarrased to be american and and said she would have moved to UK anyway after bush got re-elected she did say that in the US if you say the wrong thing you can get death threats.
frankie 5 fingers... by jig98	Aug 28th, 2005 06:10:09 PM
did u get voltaire off american wedding?
Hip-hop for Geeks to enjoy by playahatersball	Aug 28th, 2005 06:24:41 PM
I can understand a bougie basement dweller only being exposed to 50 cent and eminem thinking that all hip-hop is crap- I'll take that with a grain of salt because most of what's on MTV and BET suck. I reccomend you reserve judgement until you go out and purchase Wut Tang Clan's ENTER THE 36 CHAMBERS and/or any of MF DOOM's many side projects (Madvillan, King Ghidora, Monsta Island Czars). They are, at the same time, examples of cutting edge musical production, while at the same time being chock full of lyrics that mostly revolve around Kung fu, Godzilla movies, The Fantastic Four and dealing crack. What could possibly be better than that?
And don't forget... by playahatersball	Aug 28th, 2005 06:26:38 PM
the GZA's LIQUID SWORDS album. It's a concept album built entirely around The Lone Wolf and Cub movies- yet it's still lyrically stunning while being gangsta as fuck.
department of redundancy department by playahatersball	Aug 28th, 2005 06:27:44 PM
sorry about the redundancy in my first post, at the same time, sorry about the redundancy.
You know how I know you're gay? by El Scorcho	Aug 28th, 2005 06:33:25 PM
You actually know Puff Daddy's name of the week. And you like Asia.
whatever helps you sleep at night Jack by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 06:51:19 PM
Diddy is one of the forces largely responsible for the materialism that overwhelmed rap. i've never been a fan of his anyway. he's a mediocre rapper, and gives off a shady businessman look. all of his signature artists always end up leaving him after their first album cuz he keeps fucking them over: The Lox, 112 are now leaving, Total (these girls would give Destiny's Child a run for their money back in the day), The Goodfellaz...
Are any of you aware... by playahatersball	Aug 28th, 2005 06:55:19 PM
...of the distinct difference between Rap and Hip-Hop?..ah forget it. Look who I'm talking to.
Puff Daddy Diddy Asshole, whatever... by Hugh Jass	Aug 28th, 2005 06:56:28 PM
I fuckin hate Puff Daddy, P. Diddy, Diddler, whatever the moron wants to call himself. He is a talentless thug who somehow got rich being a "gangsta" asshole who pollutes our culture with his pretentious ghetto bullshit. Nothing to me is funnier than listening to a bunch of suburban white kids make idiots of themselves trying to talk gangsta. Thank Puff Diddy for that. I'm sure his only real talent is giving head to MTV executives so he can keep his face in front of a camera.
The Only Award shows that acceptable to watch are: by joeydoo	Aug 28th, 2005 07:00:37 PM
The Bafta's - Stephen Fry is a genius but the last years (or when ever it was) might remove it from this list as he couldn't be bothered or was reined in a bit too much. Still the funniest though. The Empire Film Awards - All the cool people getting pissed and having a laugh. Also they have proper categories. All other award shows are wank.
hahaha Wolf At the Door. Jack is such a troll by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 07:05:38 PM
true talkback troll. i'm sure he's sitting by his computer just waiting for me to say something so that he can furiously write up something, and hit that Enter key he's so fond of. no point in directly responding to him anymore.
I see the HATERS are coming out. Any of you numbnuts think that by The Founder	Aug 28th, 2005 07:15:36 PM
Well i like Puffy. A man who had nothing and worked his butt off to make the american Dream. Why all the hate? Puffy never claimed to be some great entertainer or rapper. He made his fortune from music and fashion. Why be mad? When white people do the same thing not a problem, but a black man does it and he's crap and untalented and blah, blah, blah. If you numb nuts think Puffy hasn't got any talent, then you need a reality check. Sure he ain't the best artist, heck i wouldn't even call him a rapper, but the man was in touch with the public and knew what the hiphop generation wanted and he gave it to them in music and fashion. What's wrong with that. My only gripe with Puffy is that he should stick to the business side and stop trying to be an artist.
Hate if you want but Green Day did save Rock. The Rock Radio for by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 07:35:56 PM
Rock radio cannibalized itself with the Limp Bizkit's and Korn's and Papa Roach's and when that fad faded they did not have strong bands to help the transition. Regular Rock bands went by the wayside, ratings went down, and station formats were changed. Urban Radio is on the rise, so is Latin radio, and the "Jack" formats are on the rise too. Green Day helped stop the bleeding. And now many other bands are returning to their traditional rock roots. I like the American Idiot CD, but I'd take Dookie over it anyday. Man to me MTV hit it's stride in the 90's. It wont get any better anytime soon, so I guess people need to stop bitching and move on to the alternative options on TV. And yes Fuse is corny. Sure they show videos, but the channel isn't on 24 hours, all types of music aren't represented, and Daily Download is terrible.
Diddy= Moron, thug, gansta, talentless, polluter of cultures, an by The Founder	Aug 28th, 2005 07:36:29 PM
just reading your post is laughable. You can call Sean Combs whatever you want and hate him for whatever simple reason, but your childish envious rants fall on deaf ears but the few here who will agree with you. I would hardley call a man who started out an intern working for free at MCA music in the early 90's and in a little over a decade has hundreds of millions of dollars. Untalented? Says you.This is a man behind some of the most successful people in music. He launced the careers of people like Biggie, 112, Faith Evans, Usher, Mary J Blige, Jodeci to name a few, and like their music or not he produced hot tracks for these artists. Which in turn led Arista records to going 50/50 with his own record lable. The man then put out a successful clothing line that is one of the most popular brands selling today. Yeah he's real talentless. I'm sure puffy has benifited off of good creative people that helped him along the way, but in the end it was his money that was at stake and he risked a the loss. He just made good business movies. Whats so wrong about that? who's culture is he polluting? White culture. You can p[robably call Puffy a lot of things, but I've never known him to prech violence or drugs or bad behavior. Puffy a gansta thug? Where is such evidence to back up your claims? A Shooting at a night club that someone else started? Whatever.
RE:IAmJack'sUserID yeah dude you are a hater. by The Founder	Aug 28th, 2005 07:49:35 PM
If you can take the time out to find reasons to hate puffy, then you are a hater, and it is cause he's black. But hey maybe i'm wrong. Hating someome cause they changed their name? Nothing more then a reason to drum up publicity. He thinks he's important? Now have you ever met Puffy to know that he thinks that? Well even if he does he wouldn't be the first the celeb, Hollywood is full of them. He screws up great songs? Really? Who's? I mean really truly, how many songs has Diddy really screwed up? Name them? His ego is thicker then a tank? So what if it is? Do you know the man personally? What has Diddiy done that have negativly impacted your life? Are you not eating, paying your bills, can't get employment, unable to take care of your family because of this man? I mean what truly has then man done to you too make you hate him so much? I know for me if i don't care for a celeb i just don't support their projects, but i don't hate them. You just don't understand Diddy or hiphop culture, that's why you hate him, and CAUSE HE'S BLACK!!!
Reason why "Diddy" is a millionaire by Voice O. Reason	Aug 28th, 2005 07:50:44 PM
Dumb suburban white kids who are too musically illiterate to realize the song they now like was actually already released 20 years earlier with better lyrics. Also note that "Diddy" hasn't produced a popular act in years, and now relies on a clothing line and other non-music ventures to remain in the public eye.
Good rappers... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 07:54:21 PM
Tupac, NWA, Public Enemy, Run DMC, Beasties (old records like Paul's Boutique) and Em has talent but Encore was really a step down from the Eminem Show. Green Day and System of a Down are the best "mainstream" rock bands currently (generic crap like 3 Doors Down is NOT good rock and Coldplay is more of a band that just makes a single that's good but their other stuff is shite). And Fuse may be not well received among you, but the commercials are pretty awesome ("Come catch the Krabz!"). And that Biggie comment was completely uncalled for and I'd almost say the dude should get banned (that might be a stretch though?). F IS FO SHIZZLE
I hope... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 07:56:52 PM
that the next big musical thing is black metal combined with polka. Imagine how unbelievably EVIL that would be. \m/ RAWWWWKKKK. Or perhaps the saviors of rock will be...
... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 08:00:23 PM
THE D. Because...with karate I'll kick your ass, from here to Tienamin Square, oh yeah motherfucker, I'm gonna kick ya in ya fuckin derriere. You broke the rules, and now I'll pull out all your pubic hair, motherfucker...LONG LIVE THE D!
One more thing... by tango fett	Aug 28th, 2005 08:01:29 PM
Who here likes the Deftones? And do you think they're upcoming cd could help rock return to the charts (White Pony did pretty good)?
Ok, IAmJack'sUserID what you say is right and we should all by The Founder	Aug 28th, 2005 08:11:13 PM
I can go back when so much hatred and rage was directed at Freddi Prinze jr, and I dare you to find one post where I joined in. I even defended mr Prinze. I said if you don't like him, just don't see his movies and wishing him dead is wrong and pathetic. I have never been about tearing people down, like so many on this site does. I've only attacked when i was provoked, and my rants has always been directed to another poster. I've said time and time again if you don't care for an entertainer then and for the last time DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THEIR PROJECTS. What is so Damn hard about that? You, me or anyone else have no right to get angry over the fact that someone else doesn spend their money on a person you don't like. I'm sorry man it just takes a lot of time and negativity for me to hate someone. I truly don't. For me to hate someone, they would have to had done something really awful to me. If i do generate anykind of hate for another person then it's going to be someone i know personally and not some celebrity that i've seen on tv and know nothing about.
Uga by ShadowSorkin07	Aug 28th, 2005 08:17:38 PM
Coldplay isn't gay, and liking them isn't gay. I mean crap, John Stewart loves their new ablum, and he should, it's the best cd to come out this year, or it's tied with Imogean Heap's Speak for Yourself.
OK, I respect R. Kelly's musical talent, but WTF did he just by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 08:19:57 PM
He's getting carried away with this Trapped In The Closet shit.
Has anyone seen Jimmy Kimmel's parody of that R. Kelly thing by Franky 5 Fingers	Aug 28th, 2005 08:25:43 PM
I wish I had a link to it. That R. Kelly thing is fucking dreadful. As a positive, he does a mean "oh no you di'int!" head swerve and finger wag.
That R. Kelly R&B-opera-crash-and-burn will the pop culture blip by supreme nothing	Aug 28th, 2005 08:41:47 PM
That was soooooooo incredibly awful. Ashley Simpson must be delighted that somebody will get made fun even worse than she did when this hits the radar.....
mrfantasto hiphop is what sells. Also a lot of blame goes to the by The Founder	Aug 28th, 2005 08:44:05 PM
Hiphop has it's share of negativity, but to say that all the artists and the muscu is about drugs and bad behavior is silly. You don't listen to hiphop as you've pointed out, so you wouldn't know who makes music and is never in trouble. Record execs and the media blows up and creates beeefs between artits to sell cd's at the expense of safty and then when it goes beyond simple music beefs to real violence these companies back away and claim no involvement. Radio stations and execs have hyped uped beefs between rappers, by pulling such stunts and having them show up for an interview or an event at a radio station or club at the same time. Yeah some of them rappers are to blame, cause they shouldn't be so easily baited. This has been proven many times and yet no one does anything about it. The media don't report it cause bad news sells and no one holds them liable and the public just see some black rappers going at it and think "oh they are so ignorant" and not knowing the full story and who's really behind it. Whatever was going on in Indy at that convection was and i bet million doallrs was incited by someone who stood to benifit from the negativity. I'm not saying fights and crap don't happen at clubs or what not, but to put it on hiphop is BS. it's not only blakc or hiphop clubs where that stuff goes on it's at others to, it's just not reported. Alcohol, people in a closed public enviroment does not mix. Atlanta holds a hiphop convection every year and yet why don't you hear anything about that in the news? Cause they aren't interested when nothing bad happens, but reporters are there with police contacts every year, just hoping for a shooting or killing. They dont report the positive, like when money is raised for charity or something postive to benifit the youth. Miami has had a hiphop festivel for the past 4 or 5 years and like Atlanta the media is here and ready to report the smallest thing, but nothing happens, but yet they'll report some arrests and fights, as if that isn't common. I dare anyone to find a problem free baseball world series? They have arrests and fights at them every year. When the police shot bean bags in the crowd at last year's World Series to calm an unruly crowd down and killed some white girl it was barly reported and called an accident cause no one wants to associte violence and sports, but had it been an hiphop event it would went on for weeks on end in the media. Mainstream media has no interest in blacks unless it's something negative. When and if the GOV ever starts fining record companies and radio stations you will see all that hiphop violence disappear.
I've liked Deftones songs, but never got a cd, but it really by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 08:52:21 PM
on whether emp-t-v really up-plays their stuff and their return. When the Limp Bizkit album came out that didn't have Wes on it, Results May Vary, it did disturbingly well off of mtv's plugs and constant interviews and playing of the cd, not to mention the special they had chronicling Fred's "journey." I'm not TOO big a fan of the Deftones (I saw them once and they were awful, you couldn't hear their music at all, it was just noise), so I'm not really in tune to the strength of their fan base, but the fact that it's been a really long time could definitely affect their sales.
I think R Kelly has an incredible voice. I Believe I Can Fly is by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 08:53:14 PM
Seriously. What happened? And The media stays misreporting and sensationalizing rap feuds.
And I love how every commercial break MTV reminds everyone that by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 08:54:58 PM
So funny to me.
as for saving rock in general, I'm not sure it can be done i by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 08:59:05 PM
Here in San Francisco, alternative rock is still easy to find on Live 105.3, the music station here, but California is really being taken over by latino stations, which is what I hear the case is all over the country, where rock (including a lot of "80s/harder-ish rock") stations are being pushed out. The problem with the ones surviving is that they are still owned by Clear Channel or Infinity (even though CC is the main perpetrator of killing off rock stations), and so they have to take a more mainstream approach, which means same songs over and over again. For me, the internet is the place to go to hear new shit.
R. Kelly performed a musical abortion onstage... by El Scorcho	Aug 28th, 2005 09:02:22 PM
and he wasn't even singing... Now that's talent.
my advice to all who hate rap without actually knowing shit abou by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 28th, 2005 09:11:48 PM
buy Illmatic. check out these rap artists: KRS One, Common, Rakim, Biggie, Jeru Da Damaja, Nas, Lauryn Hill, Ice Cube, JayZ, Gangstarr, Slick Rick, Mos Def... and if they don't say at least one dope thing to you while you're listening, my advice is to check in with the doctor. you probably have an ear infection, and it may be cancerous. better you know now than later. i'm not going to defend hip hop. i think its an amazing artform that is unfortunately being whored out to silly surburban kids and ignorant inner city kids too.
The award for worst lip sync performance of all time goes to, dr by Orionsangels	Aug 28th, 2005 09:12:36 PM
Yes! it's a landslide! R. KELLY!
No, give it to Ashlee Simpsons, I argue she has even less talent by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 28th, 2005 09:16:24 PM
and she's molesting underage girls! ['s ears!]
I Think He Should Change His Name To PEE DORDY And Have Magical by ZombieSolutions	Aug 28th, 2005 09:29:37 PM
his sidekick could be a 40 year old man with down's syndrome. they could invent the remix together and chase rainbows while eating gum drops and having haters executed for talkin' shit.
Sceew the VMAs, tonight's Entourage was the show to see by Obiwanspicoli	Aug 28th, 2005 09:40:16 PM
Great episode tonight
playahatersball by glodene	Aug 28th, 2005 09:41:58 PM
I to concur that Liquid Swords is the last great hip hop record in the last fifteen years. I would suggest that all you TB'ers go out and purchase this masterpiece of sonic splendor.
R kelly should be shot for that crap by durham4556	Aug 28th, 2005 09:46:03 PM
R kelly was so bad, he made jamie foxx look like a good singer
Oh! btw by glodene	Aug 28th, 2005 09:46:17 PM
IMHO, Alice in Chains "Dirt" was/is the last great rock album!
im glad we all found a place to argue by OriginalThinker	Aug 28th, 2005 09:46:28 PM
but nothing really matters, in the end its one opinion(racist or not) against another. watch....I think A Perfect Cricle is good rock and Nas is not only good but delivers a message (ex lyrics : I know i can, be what i want to be, if i work hard it....) have a nice day.
shit did i just see beavis and butthead by 81666	Aug 28th, 2005 09:46:40 PM
actual quality entertainment!!! DAMN!! i woulda at least watched for this.
fuck these awrads shows, that hummer commercial was AWESOME!! by 81666	Aug 28th, 2005 09:48:15 PM
MONSTER INDEED.
Wow. Mad beef tonight. 50 dont want nothing with Fat Joe. 50 is by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 10:04:08 PM
I dunno what is going to happen tonight after 50 dissed the shit out of Joe in the bleeped out ending of his performance. I hate 50 Cent he trys too hard to be something he isn't. There is a reason he was shot 9 times, and it wasn't because he's "Gangster" it's because he's a snitch bitch who got a fucking restraining order on Ja Rule. What a tough guy. Punk ass bitch. He better watch out fucking around with Fat Joe.
All contemporary music sucks! by Hot Carl	Aug 28th, 2005 10:08:28 PM
All of it...rap, rock, pop, new-age, alternative...the whole fucking lot of it. If there is any good music out there they arn't playing it on your local radio station or on MTV... it's being played in small venues all around the country, by people you've never heard of. Take you fucking i-pods, and satellite radios and shove them up somebodys ass, pick you your local rag and start picking out random local bands and go listen too them. Discover your own music, not the next great thing some LA music executive saw walking through the local mall that had "the look". Not some fuck-nut piece of shit manufactured by years the in Mickey Mouse Club. Not some fucking thug friend of a thug producer. Go out and find local people, playing music just for the sake of playing music. Buy thier fucking burned CD's at the club, and start your own collection of real tunes.
And I find it suspect how 50 berated Ja Rule for always singing by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 10:09:37 PM
All the GUnit songs sound the same now, with 50 singing the hook. This guy is a fucking clown. I expect to hear a whole lot of shit tomorrow morning on The Wendy Williams Experience. 50 calling Fat Joe a Pussy on the VMA's. And cursing him out. Can someone map the dude square in the jaw and remind him that is isn't Tupac.
50cent by durham4556	Aug 28th, 2005 10:09:56 PM
Man... he should wake up.. he's been shot so many times.. there is a reason for that.. what an asshole. the dude needs to learn to open his mouth when he talks too. all i hear is a bunch of grunts. uh uh uh.. look at my big muscles.. i like showering with guy.. uh uh uh
HERC! I LOVE YOU! by Bean_	Aug 28th, 2005 10:15:22 PM

HERC! I LOVE YOU! by Bean_	Aug 28th, 2005 10:15:47 PM
Puff Daddy is an insult to music.
Oh well... by Kamikaze_Jones	Aug 28th, 2005 10:16:29 PM
It's a small consolation that I just found out that the Gorillaz picked up an award for their "Feel Good Inc." video, which is good since they're one of the few good bands to stay strong on the MTV. Green Day won rock video, i'm sure they'll win best video of the year or whatever. Interestingly enough, I do remember that at the height of my Green Day fandom in the mid-90's, one of the coolest things I ever saw was when the drummer (I forget if that's Mike or Tre, although I wanna say Mike) climbed the Universal globe. That was rad, wasn't it? Now they won't pull that shit, or they might offend P. Diddy Kong or wrinkle their suits...
Why 50 Cent stood there all bitter and chirped after his perform by Franky 5 Fingers	Aug 28th, 2005 10:18:33 PM
Before he gave Missy Elliot an award, Fat Joe said
And 50 needs to get some teeth that fit in his fucking mouth. by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 10:25:53 PM
And after he curses out fat joe he's going to go get a restraining order out on him.
Holy shit. Clarkson just shed the American Idol persona with tha by Mr. Profit	Aug 28th, 2005 10:28:47 PM
Breakaway is a really good pop rock CD. Better than the girls in her field. Glad she won some awards and was able to close the show out.
Kelly Clarkson wet = GREAT by durham4556	Aug 28th, 2005 10:33:32 PM
yes kelly was hot as hell. that was my favorite of the night. it was so raw and good performance, granted she didn't sing that perfect but it was great. she actually sung while danceing and interacted with the crowd, very entertaining. very punk rock, she has proved she is better than avril by a whole lot. two thumbs up girl
August 28, 2005-- Pop music is officially dead by mrgreentheplant	Aug 28th, 2005 10:54:54 PM
Oh my good Lord what is wrong with MTV these days?? This was by far the worst awards show (MTV or not) ever.. It seems like none of the rock bands besides the Killers even practiced their songs, the rap performances were so heavily-bleeped there were at times ten seconds of almost complete silence, and oooh that fall out boy comment on how my chemical romance is "the best band ever" will ruin my day. eva longoria and 35 seconds of dane cook was the only thing worth watching. oh and that r. kelly performance hahaha that was awesome. isnt r&b supposed to have rhyming occasionally instead of just story-telling? eh whatever that ruled hard.
drummer on the globe by 24200124	Aug 28th, 2005 11:05:30 PM
The drummer who climbed the globe wasn't Tre Cool -- i thought it was Tim Commerford, the drummer from Rage Against the Machine, who (i think) was protesting Limp Bizkit's win. Fred Durst was actually laughing at him and inciting the crowd to chant, "Jump". Wow, the zaniness... But for the last year, i have been listening to the entirety of "American Idiot" and still haven't grown tired of it. Great record, deserving of every award coming to it.
Oh and if you hate rap listen to... by mrgreentheplant	Aug 28th, 2005 11:06:00 PM
The Fugees and The Roots. If there's one thing people need to understand about rap, it's that there are other sub-genres besides "gangsta rap." I hate a lot of that shit too but saying that rap is simply rhyming to a beat means you only listen to what they play on the radio and MTV. (P.S. why do the VMAs have an "MTV2" category? EVERY category should be the MTV2 category)
It's been 20 years... by Tal111	Aug 28th, 2005 11:08:56 PM
when is rap going to die? I mean how many decades can you listen to a guy with gold teeth telling you he's number 1? GO AWAY!!!!
MmmmMmmmmmMMmmMmmMMMm by Flummage	Aug 28th, 2005 11:56:47 PM
Barry's Customer: Hi, do you have the song "I Just Called To Say I Love You?" It's for my daughter's birthday. Barry: Yea we have it. Barry's Customer: Well, can I have it? Barry: No, actually, you can't. Barry's Customer: Why not? Barry: God. Do you even know your daughter? There's no way she likes that song. Oops, is she in a coma? Appy Birfday Mr. Black
Pants by Flummage	Aug 29th, 2005 12:02:28 AM
Sorry for the shitteh spacing. My only excuse is that, erm, due to teh musical nature of the talkbalk, i was inspired to arrange my words in a highly original and offbeat manner. Oh and my Lindsay Lohan record was just starting up again, so i was in a state of rabid expectant euphoria.
A slight correction on VMA stunts. by KLeishear	Aug 29th, 2005 12:04:05 AM
Tre climbed the globe one year and rotated around and around. The Bassist for Rage Against the Machine did climb the structure when Limp Bizkit got their award.
Radio Rap vs Real Rap by sychotik	Aug 29th, 2005 12:07:15 AM
All the crap that gets played on MTV and Radio definintely needs to go away. Not only is the music horrible but they all talk about the same thing, how great they are, how much money they have, and what hos will do for them. Long live Jurassic 5, The Roots, Mos Def, Common, Talib Kweli, and the other real rappers and DJs that make real Hip Hop.
what is mtv still on? fuse actually plays videos. by yeah i'm a jerk!	Aug 29th, 2005 12:20:43 AM
mtv has no juliya c. mtv doesn't show the videos that get the awards. mtv thinks piss daddy or what ever is a good host. fuck mtv. everybody should listen to downloaded music and destroy the music industry.
A popular awards show hosted by a famous black personality...... by Kai_Mah'gra	Aug 29th, 2005 12:22:44 AM
....brings all the AICN racists out of the woodwork. What a stunning shocker!!!! ( Or at least it would be if we hadn't already seen this movie during the Oscars when Rock hosted; that a large demographic of the "geeks" who post here are ignorant bigots, really shouldn't surprise anyone at this point. Seriously!!)
Congrats Green Day by docfalken	Aug 29th, 2005 12:23:23 AM
I'm predicting a sweep by Kanye West next year and we'll find out for sure on Tuesday. But I'm happy to see that music with substance actually gets rewarded in a world filled with Ying Yang twins. Yeeaah!
mrfantasto, for someone who types a lot....... by Kai_Mah'gra	Aug 29th, 2005 12:25:33 AM
......you sure do spew a whole bunch of crap. How do you manage that? Most amazing special effect I've seen all year.
tamethecunt, The Strokes follow-up was fantastic, by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 29th, 2005 12:32:13 AM
I'd argue even better.
Valid? by Flummage	Aug 29th, 2005 12:39:19 AM
It comes across to me, certainlly as i get older and meet more and more people, that, if not out and out racism, then at least a general disdain for other people who are different is the norm. I've heard pretty shocking things from prople who i thought Id known really well. The idea that everyone is an individual and that u judge them on their actions and chioces feels a little rare lately. Yet on the other hand, we're all pretty polite too eachothers faces arent we? Funny that. It kinda seems to me that there's "a stick to your own" kind of atmosphere to most places I've been, and that any liberal open minded sentiment has to be reached or reasoned, as apposed to be just beeing there be default. And shouldent we take each artist, on each song? Not just on principle either, but now days, when so much material is "co written", and samples are so heavily used, and producers have such strong influences, how much creativity is needed to make ANY form of popular music? Can there really be original melodies, rhymes, beats? after 40+ years of studio based music? I'm not sure if its a question of originality anymore, but what sentiments and ideas you choose to serve up as your own.
Eh. by Kamikaze_Jones	Aug 29th, 2005 12:41:06 AM
So Green Day pretty much fuckin' owned this thing. I'm glad, if for no other reason than they're still Green Day, with or without eye liner, and at least the fuckin' Killers didn't win...
Bullshit by LivingTribunal	Aug 29th, 2005 12:45:56 AM
The Killers did win. Best new artist. And Greenday owned fuckall. Their winning all those awards for thier shit music was worse than anything else. Except R Kelly.
What's so hard... by Neighbor Jim	Aug 29th, 2005 01:01:08 AM
...about having a tv channel that plays nothing but music videos 24/7? Being as old as MTV, growing up with it, and discovering music on it, it's sad to see that station no longer exists. In its place is some shitty amalgamation of the E! channel and reality tv. They should really rename it RCTV. Rich Cunt Television. Everytime I pass by MTV, and I stress the "passing by" part, it's either the braindead overpriviledged skanks of Laguna Beach trying to pretend like they have actual problems, or some twat teenager throwing a temper tantrum at their $200,000 sweeet sixteen party. That is if they can take a break from the latest Real World/Road Rules challenge, but hey those cast members can't be expected to ever work for a living after being on television. Do I want to watch fucking Cribs either? No, there's already a home and garden channel. Who gives a fuck what's in the drummer from Good Charlotte's fridge? Can you honestly call yourself music television when Pimp My Ride occupies %13 of your weekly lineup? Lemme guess, X is going to put 22" chrome spinners on the car this week. You could play music videos 24 hours a day and never repeat a single one. Play the new G-G-G-G-Gay Unit video, it doesn't matter. The beauty of a music video is that the video can keep you interested even if the artist and song its for aren't your cup of circus clown rapper tea. With all MTV's financial power these days, they could have camera crews in every little bar and club in this country, finding and exposing new and refreshing talent in every genre. Oh but wait, you'd actually have to want to be music television. My mistake MTV, you bunch of fucktards.
"TURN MY HEADPHONES UP! WHAT? UN! TURN MY HEADPHONES UP!!" by Tall_Boy	Aug 29th, 2005 01:05:40 AM
They should give Dave Chappelle and MTV award for that song.
Tre Cool is the drummer by docfalken	Aug 29th, 2005 02:15:18 AM

Zekmoe by grandmastermatt	Aug 29th, 2005 02:16:42 AM
You're a fucking asshole for that Biggie comment. We lose good, talented people like him and we get stuck with cocksucking faggots like yourself. Very nice, applauding the death of someone, you fucking dickhead.
Why I love Kelly Clarkson ... by docfalken	Aug 29th, 2005 02:17:03 AM
She has some serious pipes. That girl can plain sing. Secondly, I love that she's happy rocking the A cups. Don't get a boob job and be one of those fakes. Keep it real. Though the girl does have a badonkadonk. God takes and gives.
Thanks playahata by docfalken	Aug 29th, 2005 02:20:33 AM
I totally missed that GZA release. Good stuff. Hip hop concept albums. I wish Timbaland would lay off the doughnuts and hurry up and change the game.
toe jam by whatyoufear	Aug 29th, 2005 02:41:28 AM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH MARMOT ASS?!?!
docfalken you must not have seen Timbaland recently, he did more by The Founder	Aug 29th, 2005 02:53:08 AM
Saw Tim on the Bet awards earlier this summer, the dude has lost a lot of weight a is seriously buffed. Didn't even reconize him until the interviewer mentioned his name. he said he been staying low forthe past year getting in shape obviuosly, but he did say he plans to get back in his music.
A PHUCKING MEN Neighbor Jim A PHUCKING MEN!!!! by The Founder	Aug 29th, 2005 02:55:27 AM
No truer words have been spoken on this talkback. You hit my exactly feelings about MTV.
i remeber not so long ago where Kelly Clarkson was being bashed, by The Founder	Aug 29th, 2005 02:57:46 AM
Some of you here are pathetic. You bash all the acts, then praise Clarkson cause she's hip now cause she doing rock influenced music. she's still pop. She can sing and I don't have a problem with her, but her music is still very corporate.
50 Cent and Gay-Unit are pure crap. d@mn when will they go away. by The Founder	Aug 29th, 2005 03:00:56 AM
I don't care what crap 50 Cent talked after the fact, Fat Joe owned his @ss tonight.
glodene and all you other GZA lovers... by playahatersball	Aug 29th, 2005 03:02:45 AM
I'm telling you- if you love the GZA; run out and purchase MF DOOM's DOOMSDAY! The album he did under the name King Ghidora called TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER is also sonic gold. He did a project last year with the producer Madlib called MADVILLAIN which ended up on the top ten list of reputable mags like the Onion and GQ (?!). He has a new one coming out next month with DJ Danger Mouse called DOOMOUSE. I'm also shocked that in all this mention of positive hip-hop (Lauryn, the Roots, J5) that no one has mentioned Outkast's first four albums, Tribe Called Quest or Ice Cube's less famous cousin; Deltron. I still listen to MetalFingers DOOM (all caps when you spell the man's name)more than any of those, but it all is much better than Coldplay. Trust me.
I concur with Jim Neighbors... by playahatersball	Aug 29th, 2005 03:05:42 AM
And Fat Joe lacks the skill of his portly protoge'- the late Big Pun. That and Andy Milanokis kicked his ass at Battleship.
What the hell IS up with Timbo? by playahatersball	Aug 29th, 2005 03:09:38 AM
Last I heard he was producing ringtones. WTF?
Difference? by Flummage	Aug 29th, 2005 03:22:58 AM
You can not tell me theres a difference between 50cent and Kelly Clarkson, rightly or wrongly they both just wanna be rich n famous.
The Founder by DocPazuzu	Aug 29th, 2005 03:25:04 AM
You know, you would have been doing just fine as long as you had been defending Combs's rags-to-riches story, but you lost every ounce of credibility when you attributed his success to any kind of substantial talent other than business. In case you hadn't noticed, there is a huge amount of financially and professionally successful people in show business who have no musical or artistic talent whatsoever. Being a good businessman with your finger on the pulse of pop culture does not make you a musical genius. Also, asking what classic pop/rock songs Combs has fucked up? That's like asking what soul classics Michael Bolton has fucked up. The final nail in the coffin of your case is attributing any hate of Combs to racism, which is stupid, pig-headed, offensive and designed to do one thing only: shut anyone up who has any dislike for the guy. I neither dislike hiphop as a music genre nor the idea of making the most of your fifteen minutes of fame - talented or not. However, I reserve the right to call said rags-to-richer a no-talent asshat if that's what he is. And I resent being called a racist if said asshat happens to belong to a racial/ethnic group other than my own.
Diddy by kuryakin	Aug 29th, 2005 04:48:26 AM
Is the Scottish way of saying titty. As in, you're a big diddy. Every time I see the name I chuckle, so let's keep talking about him. Any UK talkbackers see 50 Cent on Jonathan Ross? They do this thing where they have cameras in the green room so you can see them backstage. He was sitting there trying to act all hard with the G-Unit. Alan Davies, this geeky comedian comes on and he's talking about 50 and G-Unit. He says, I saw the t-shirts they're all wearing that say "G-Unit" , at first I thought it said "Cunt". Cuts away to 50. The look on his face was priceless, just total shock, like an old lady. Alan then follows this up by saying "it doesn't mean gay unit". Jonathan Ross was all like "They're going to kill you when you go back there". So Alan finishes up and goes backstage and what does 50 do? Just smiles and shakes his hand
What's beef does everyone have with Coldplay? by Castor777	Aug 29th, 2005 04:55:00 AM
So do half of you have any taste or do you just go see 40 Year Old Virgin and here that one line "You know how I know you're gay? You like Coldplay" and let that be your hand fed opinion? If you really don't like them, that's cool - but I think it's pathetic when people can't think for themselves and only go with what everyone else is saying. Speed of Sound is probably the weakest song on their new album which is pretty damn good, and A Rush of Blood to the Head is a flat out great rock album. But what am I saying, their music is filled with piano chords so you got to be a fudge packer to think it's cool.
I liked the last Coldplay Album... by KID AB	Aug 29th, 2005 07:22:09 AM
..How to Dsmantle an Atomic Bomb & Y. They are trying so hard to sound like U2, but fail miserably. Looking forward to Leaders of the Free World by Elbow. Now there's a great band. PS Queens of the Stone Age, Songs for the Deaf, Best Heavy Rock Album EVER!!!
Diddy = TWAT...... by doglips	Aug 29th, 2005 07:35:53 AM
Or cunt he is a complete twat-cunt.....famous only for releasing a bereavement song....and then building an industry round his ego...Hoorah for Alan Davies, 50's a twat-cunt aswell wish i'd seen JR....
Yes Eva Longoria's cameltoe also caught my attention while c by Shermdawg	Aug 29th, 2005 07:36:15 AM
Oh and speaking of channel surfing it seems every single sunday when I partake in this, Comedy Central is airing The Blue Collar Comedy Tour. Why????? For the love of god.....WHY????? Don't they have anything else to put on????
drummer thing by 24200124	Aug 29th, 2005 07:53:06 AM
Thank you, KLeishear.
"Kbow How I Can Tell You're Gay? You Like Coldplay." by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 08:26:37 AM
don't blame me, blame John Apatow, Steve Carell and their brilliant "40 Year Old Virgin." but, i'm seriously, Coldplay are deeply irritating on nearly every conceivable level. as are U2 and Foo Fighters. being both boring and overwrought? now that's an accomplishment. btw, MTV really is the most uncool thing EVER. it's as if they try to suck.
Can We All FInally Admit That 50 Cent SUCKS? by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 08:33:52 AM
he's fucking terrible. the only reason why he is popular is because he has a ridiculously over the top backstory, and is friends with Eminem. "wow! he got shot like 38 times in the face! he must be a bad ass!" not that he isn't a bad ass, but just being a bad ass doesn't mean your music is good. he sucks. a big pus bag on the ass of the wildly uneven genre of hip hop. final note: pop rap is the new big hair metal, and has been so since around 1988. discuss. final final note: THE ROOTS are the greatest hip hop band ever. everyone else has to stand on a ladder to kiss their feet.
"KNOW How I Can Tell You're Gay? You Like Coldplay." by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 08:35:48 AM
it's early. my internal spell check is broken. etc.
Plenty of people get shot who AREN'T badasses by kuryakin	Aug 29th, 2005 08:48:14 AM
And 50 cent falls square into this camp. I think his music is shit but I like to think about police informants being shot because it reminds me of The Wire. Eminem - the guy has talent but all his songs sound the same and they all sound like novelty records. That badoing doing doing song? Jesus Christ
Funny, your judgment of "good, talented" people? by zekmoe	Aug 29th, 2005 08:52:38 AM
grandmastermatt, your definition of good, talented people includes drug dealing pimps who carry unlicensed firearms because they can rhyme? Very funny. If it were up to you I'm sure you'd open up prisons and let the scum go free. He sucked, and got what he deserved, and very few people are worse off because of it. How many peoples lives had he destroyed before he had his change of occupation?
I Think It's Funny That Wildly Homophobic Eminem Takes Such by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 09:04:31 AM
and that song about the obsessed guy fan who loves him? make no mistake -- Marshall Mathers is gay. he has some good songs, but i agree with what the guy just said -- all of his songs sound more or less alike.
theres something about... by Obscura	Aug 29th, 2005 09:13:13 AM
...rappers who made all their cash from teenage girls buying their cds, and then trying to pretend they're something more than just a pop act. the guy cant even decide what hes called. hes got as much integrity as a fart.
BRING BACK FLOYD by tango fett	Aug 29th, 2005 09:53:53 AM

eminem isn't homophobic, slim shady is though. by TonyWilson	Aug 29th, 2005 10:38:19 AM
important distinction to make.
KID AB by TonyWilson	Aug 29th, 2005 10:41:40 AM
If you like Songs for the Deaf you need to check out the band "Kyuss" it had Josh and Nick from QOTSA in it back in the early 90's absolutley tremendous band. Pick up "Welcome to Sky Valley" as a starter.
Irony by ballsasunder	Aug 29th, 2005 10:53:39 AM
Irony = Green Day and Coldpay fans ripping on MTV. MTV MADE you like those shitass bands.
VMA's were 99.9% Crap by khalthephal	Aug 29th, 2005 11:12:23 AM
That's my opinion. how the hell is "Hilary Duff" the Beyonce of "rock and roll? Greenday: good. Killers: good. Coldplay:good. Everything else seemed to be about asses. That 6 minutes of R.Kelly Lip sync was crud. I think Snoop might be talented. It's hard to tell with all the posing though, I mean really. I am going to go out and buy a candy necklace with 1 pound beads becuase it's cool? It's not.
Coldplay, Green Day, The Killers by Mako	Aug 29th, 2005 11:32:05 AM
Are around because believe it or not... rap is not the center of the world. And will never be. It's called "denial".
hmm by jsm1978	Aug 29th, 2005 11:32:42 AM
I will admit flat out that I hate most rap. I don't think it takes much talent, as evidenced by the fact that there are so many people with out any making alot of money off of it. But having seen Gary Coleman trying to rap for loans, I will admit that not everyone can do it.
R Kelly must die by DocPazuzu	Aug 29th, 2005 11:37:55 AM
And I'm not even talking about the fact that he likes to piss on 13-year-old girls, which is certainly reason enough. No, I'm mostly referring to the self-indulgent shit he keeps churning out in which he portrays himself as either an innocent victim of malice and circumstance, or as some sort of profound thinky-feely guy, which he most definitely is not. We wouldn't take it from Paul Walker or Ben Affleck in movies without screaming or vomiting, so why should we accept it in our musical entertainment? Remember folks, this is the guy behind "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Gotham City", not to mention the interminable imbecillic music video soap opera he's recently gifted to the world.
hmmm by jsm1978	Aug 29th, 2005 11:46:32 AM
Only managed to get through half of this before I had to give up and get on with my life, but I can't believe anyone said anything about Snoop Dog. Sounds like he's boring himself to sleep, and doesn't even bother trying to rhyme. Just makes up words or changes everything to "izzle". Lazy.
That was completely unwatchable by mortsleam	Aug 29th, 2005 12:39:53 PM
So much so that I turned it. Rome sucked too.
Am I missing something? by one man orgy	Aug 29th, 2005 01:09:49 PM
Am I the only one who finds the idea of even having awards for music videos ridiculous? They're fucking videos. They're essentially commercials for the album. And who are the fuckwads deciding who wins? The music industry makes me so sad. It's all about the lowest common denominator and mass appeal. Everything is becoming so generic. I can't tell one band from the next. Songs aren't even about anything anymore. Fans are getting lazy. Nobody goes out to look for small-label bands. It's all just handed to them and they assume it's good because it's popular when, in fact, it's only popular because everyone else is just as lazy as they are and listen to whatever MTV shoves down their throats.
Coldplay is a poor man's Radiohead by fattyaaron	Aug 29th, 2005 01:23:30 PM
In my opinion, they've picked up Radiohead's old style when Radiohead went all art rock. Listen to "The Bends" and then any Coldplay. I can't imagine anyone saying Coldplay is the better of the two.
A commercial for MTV I saw sums it up! by CyberBeavis1326	Aug 29th, 2005 01:37:40 PM
The commercial was like "Don't always believe what you hear, MTV doesn't play music videos." The sad thing about it, it's fucking true to the cold blackened soul of MTV. They Don't play videos, they show us shows of assholes, brats, bitches, cunts, retards, and any other fucked up low-life. Thanks MTV, you ruined my love for you. VH1 is the best video channel. How sad is that really.
the last thing i want to see... by Obscura	Aug 29th, 2005 01:40:07 PM
is Diddy this guy running around with nothing but a Tshirt and a cap on. you think if we throw bananas at him he'll fuck off?
Eve Longoria Cameltoe by glodene	Aug 29th, 2005 01:42:07 PM
All I can say is "Nuthin' would be fynah, than to lick on her vagynah in the mooooornin'"
Best Thread Ever. by Nadine_Cross	Aug 29th, 2005 01:49:48 PM
Ever!
Hip hop and MTV by Mafu	Aug 29th, 2005 01:59:47 PM
I'm a fan of hip hop, but not the bling bling, self-indulgent, commercial onslaught that MTV likes to push in everyone's face. Diddy is a silly, self-promoting, girly boy bitch who's forgotten where he came from, in my opinion, so I don't listen to the music he makes or produces. I also don't listen to much mainstream hip hop of any kind, really, since I prefer the creative, organically inspired beats of lesser known MCs and turntablists who are keeping the hip hop artform alive. The VMA's aren't about creativity or paying your dues in hip hop; they're about fronting, anti-intellectualism, and stupid, uninteresting music, so I'll skip this year's awards show. I know millions of 12 year old girls will tune in, though, which I'm sure will make Diddy and R Kelly very happy.
Coldplay Is Radiohead For Retards by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 02:10:07 PM
god i hate Coldplay. justa buncha whiny fucks. they really, really suck. they suck even worse than U2 do now, which is alot. they even suck more than the Poo Phighters, (whos new song sounds EXACTLY like a beer comnercial -- "this is the best, the best, the best, the best DAMN BREW! ooooh!") which is a monumental feat. they make the Villiage People look like Captain Beefheart. they make the Spice Girls look like the Kronos Quartet. when that song comes on the radio, i immediately fly into a blind seething rage. it doesn't make me mopey or depressed, it make me psychotically angry. Radiohead were whiny too, but their music (espcailly on KID A and that follow-up to KID A) had an artfulness and aching, strangled, truly heart-wrenching beauty that was truly astounding. Coldplay, on the other hand, are hacks. they should just release an album of them crying with that irritating overwrought guitar sound and synths. "waah! we're coldplay! waaah!" i hate them.
Top 40 Hip Hop Is Has Officially Taken the Place Once Occupied B by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 02:13:05 PM
actually, it did that years ago but nobody realized it. that 50 Cent song about taking off somebodies pants is one of the worst songs ever written. and his beats are terrible. oh, but he got shot in the face 800 times and lived. wow.
Me too, ZombieSolutions by Mafu	Aug 29th, 2005 02:18:57 PM
The three times I've heard that Coldplay song, I also flew into a psychotic rage. But I laughed about it later. Now I don't care.
Coldplay = Hootie. They will soon be forgotten, too. by thegreenvortex	Aug 29th, 2005 02:19:41 PM
I made Hootie go away and I will make Coldplay go away, too. Why? Because THEY SUCK. Maybe their singer might be taken a little more seriously if he wasn't knocking up dimwitted starlets. Coldplay have replaced Staind as the world's most boring band. Say it with me: "Die, Coldplay, Die."
"Top 40 Hip Hop Is Has Officially Taken the Place Once Occupied by DocPazuzu	Aug 29th, 2005 02:31:36 PM
Truer words were never uttered, ZomSol. And like the hair metal fans of old, Top 40 hiphop fans of today will hide all their CDs in the attic in 20 years time.
Glad I was imagining by Greased Deaf Guy	Aug 29th, 2005 02:34:07 PM
Eva Longoria's Cameltoe. Seemed like after she took a few steps the camera made a conscious effort to shoot her from the waist up. That onion made me want to cry. Everyone forgets they have a video countdown show, TRL Live and they actually show videos. About a 30 second clip that mostly has 12 y/o girls screaming shoutouts over it.....but they still show videos.
oh and Kelly Clarkson by Greased Deaf Guy	Aug 29th, 2005 02:36:53 PM
might want to invest in some waterproof mascara. Did she miss the memo about the sprinklers on stage or did they just not run them during rehearsals? In any case, most would just have avoided the water all together. Loved seeing the Simpson sisters together....yawn. Wonder what Ashley's really feeling after seeing the movie she's in tank.
You'd think bucktooth-Diddy could afford dental surgery. by The True Priapic	Aug 29th, 2005 02:53:23 PM
Bucktoothed fuckwit.Fiddy looks like a fucking retard.I laugh every time I see these travesties.Go and fuck some more whores and father some more bastards you cunts.Tell you what,see if you can string a sentence together.One day when you meet Martin Luther King in heaven I hope he slaps your fucking face.Fucking disgrace.
To Swarmy by LastGL2	Aug 29th, 2005 03:04:37 PM
I hear ya! I can remember when MTV came on the air(remember "Video killed the radio star" for 24 hours,anybody?) MTV now stands for "Moronic Television".
Parental Neglect by ballsasunder	Aug 29th, 2005 03:10:54 PM
Any parent who willingly allows their children to watch MTV should be accused and convicted of child abuse.
"And like the hair metal fans of old, Top 40 hiphop fans of toda by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 03:36:33 PM
hey, what's up DocPaz! of course i agree with you 100%. but, don't forget the "ironic distance" angle that could crop up. i know you're out of the country now, but 80s hair metal has been experiencing a kind of ironic fandom of late in the States amongst hipsters... especially on the East Coast (Philly, NYC) where i reside. but you know how that shit goes... ironic distance as an aesthetic can only hold up briefly before it collapses...
Hey by vinceklortho	Aug 29th, 2005 03:52:24 PM
Alright, here goes: Biggie's Ready to Die is still a great rap album. Dookie kicks ass, one of the first cd's I bought as a kid and introduced me to music. Puff Daddy sucks hard and is embarrassing to watch. And, here's the kicker....I "should" not watch the VMA's to "try" and be cool but I will watch it because I like Coldplay and I like watching mtv reality shows; especially ones that are called Laguna Beach. Hey, I can't help it.
Coldplay and Radiohead by Castor777	Aug 29th, 2005 04:15:57 PM
Yeah, I agree that The Bends is an obvious influence on Coldplay (far more so than U2 ever was or ever will be). The Bends is, in my opinion, one of the best rock albums of all time. Which is where I'm a bit lost - if Coldplay is just a lighter version of Radiohead, then what's everyone problem with them? There's a lot of crap you can be compared to, but to be spoken amongst one of the great bands of the past decade is quite an accomplishment (even if you're not as good). I'd gladly have hundreds of more bands like Radiohead and try to bring more artistic values into their music than all the punk bands that cry about punk love and their fathers beating them. One of the only songs by Coldplay that shares much resemblence to U2 would be "Fix You" and that's still quite a stretch. But whatever, I guess I'm not a music snob that hates everything that's been released in the past few years, only likes indie bands but publicly bashes them the second they get a single on the air, or bitch and moan about their favorite bands sucking now compared to their first albums (even though the first albums tend to suck anyway) so who am I to judge. I guess we all should be thankful AICN covers movies and not music.
Pipers at the Gates of Dawn, The Bends. by Dokkalvar	Aug 29th, 2005 04:58:01 PM
There is still that small band of Floyd fans that think Pipers at the Gates of Dawn is the only good pink floyd album and refuse to accept change. Then again, a small band of people, statistically, are mentally handicapped. I don't know why Geeks, the only word that I can conjure up to discribe certain types of people, still have cable TV? It's nothing but bullshit reality tv programs and clogged with more commercials then network television. Why not go to Bit-torrent for the shows you really want to watch and force the powers that be to make a change like WE did with P2P music downloads, not to mention giving THEM a true value for programing that we actually want to see. Mad about your videos being replaced by re-runs of "pimp my ride?" try, I dunno, I-tunes music video section, or again bit-torrent. What I'm saying is: there are more options out there more then ever, and you decide the course of things by the choices you make. If you hate MTV, which is little more then a name and AOL like middle man, then just simply stop watching it and get it somewhere else.
If you want to piss your pants, please go to the below link....f by doglips	Aug 29th, 2005 05:27:03 PM
Seriously if 50 ever sees this he'll cry.... http://www.popjustice.co.uk/fe atures/50centsleeve/readerseff orts/
about the racist allegation by lynxpro	Aug 29th, 2005 05:33:57 PM
I completely dislike P.Diddy not because of his race, but because he's a no-talent hack. You want an example of a black businessman who actually is intelligent and has mass support from institutional investors? Richard Parsons, the head of TimeWarner and the most powerful African American in American business. Parsons may be too conservative in how he runs TimeWarner, but I admire his intelligence and his track record. So don't label me a racist just because I vent hostility towards Sean Combs and the rest of the thuggery of hip hop promoted by MTV and the like. And I've always thought Dr. Dre was a talented producer, unlike Combs. Suck it.
Comic Book Guy says "Worst Awards Show Ever!" by Fatal Discharge	Aug 29th, 2005 05:49:07 PM
1/ Doody gives his watch to someone in the crowd and has his goons open briefcases full of cash onstage to show how "rich and cool" he is... ugh! 2/ Ludacris accepts his award with these humble awards typical of so many rappers - "It's about time!". 3/ The only pre-90s act to appear was... shock!horror! ....MC Hammer (to which there were shots of some in the crowd in stunned silence with their mouths gaping). If you're going to try and add some class to the show, pick an oldie with some actual talent. 4/ There was a stand-up comic (who I have no clue who he was) who was also met with stunned silence. 5/ There are talented rappers out there who sing about things besides money, power and ho's...but none were on the show.
Racist????? by garcicr	Aug 29th, 2005 05:57:21 PM
Racist's are the first one's to call others racist's..........Diddy does suck cause he is a notalent hack stuck in the 90's fulled by white kids eager to be diffrent then there socialy accepted parents who just want them to go to college and save whats left of america.
What the fuck are all you Coldplay haters listening to?...Just c by doglips	Aug 29th, 2005 06:02:09 PM
Or 50? or something really incredibly cool and leftwing, please enlighten us....Bon Jovi?...Korn?.....Kaiser Chiefs? am I warm? there's not really a great deal wrong with Coldplay, some plagiarism on the new album granted but the band are well aware of that and the songs are mostly excellent ( what album nowadays is completely perfect? except Beck obviously ), I'm not saying they're the best in the world ( although live they do take some beating...)but they are very good.....
So I taped the VMAs by evilbaby	Aug 29th, 2005 06:02:50 PM
I was playing "The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction" on XBOX at the time (which rocks, BTW.) Afterwards I popped in the ol' VHS to see what MTV propped up as "entertainment" this year. Folks, I kid you not, I watched a grand total of 45 seconds. I fast forwarded through the rest. I believe this is a new record for me. Things like the VMAs make me thankful that the legendary rock band Queen found a new lead singer with Paul Rodgers and have been touring this year (in October they play NJ and LA) with a live CD/DVD coming in the fall. If you want more info, check out their web site at http://www.queenpluspaulrodger s.com
We've established that... by Godis D. Ead	Aug 29th, 2005 06:03:43 PM
hip-hop has slowly drained into the shitter since the mid 90's. TOOL totally blows Coldplay, My Chemical Romance and other pop acts to shit. Listen to any TOOL album and you will realize how juvenile and amaturistic pop music is, whether it be 50-cent, Usher, Good Charlotte, or whatever easy to swallow, no thought required "music" the kiddies squirt for these days.
Old??? by garcicr	Aug 29th, 2005 06:06:44 PM
I remeber the controversey of the prodigy video smack my bitch up even biegn showed On MTV. The glory days of MTV are over now s the twighlight of a new station coming in to play OWNED.TV where the viewers control whats played.
"What the fuck are all you Coldplay haters listening to?...Just by ZombieSolutions	Aug 29th, 2005 06:13:39 PM
right now -- Glenn Branca: LESSON 1; Captain Beefheart: TROUT MASK REPLICA; Melt Banana: LIVE album (forget the name); Neu: 2; Peter Brontzman: NIPPLES; Boredoms: Vision, Creation, NewSun; Steroid Maximus: Gondawandaland; Big Black: The Rich Man's 8 Track Tape; Liars: They Were Wrong So We Drowned; amongst others...
MTV just sucks ass PERIOD by Z0D	Aug 29th, 2005 07:11:43 PM
That lame channel was turned into a teenibopper paradise with screaming girls and their precious boy band trash. I remember back when they played only videos. Now they play trailer park trash getting pregnant, awards ceremonies that don't mean shit, and basically show popculture as the worst part of our society. I delete the channel from my tv/box so I don't happen on the cringeworth shit they air. ___KNEEL___ before Z0D Brittany Spears you skank!
I didn't know there were people that didn't like Coldpla by hj3.org	Aug 29th, 2005 09:57:36 PM
You're dead inside. Hah. They're a little generic I guess, but any beefs with them I would classify as beefs with their genre. They're the kind of band that will stand the test of time along with Radiohead, and Floyd.
IAmJack'sUserID, here's my ass by Kai_Mah'gra	Aug 29th, 2005 10:06:28 PM
.......why not kiss it while you're down there under the woefully misguided impression that you voicing an coherent opinion? Next time someone's interested in what you have to say, or should I say, next time someone's interested in some mindless entertainment from a moronic retarded nincompoop, they'll address you directly; you know, kind of like how intelligent human beings actually communicate; a concept that's unsurprisingly completely alien to you. Now run along and crawl back to that crevice you crept out of and take your playbone with you.... and shove it up your ass while you're at it; all the way up to the space between your ears that acts as a counterbalance to your feet. M'kay sport? ata boy.....
hiphop intro video 101: for lames that don't know about hip by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 29th, 2005 10:42:14 PM
i suggest you download this video. http://www.theemcee.com/media/ video/Top_5_Video_Windows.wmv it may change your life. Pretty much every rapper mentioned in here is what rap is really about. its a bit of history and it will show u just how good hip hop used to be.
If it gets ratings, MTV will air it by Greased Deaf Guy	Aug 29th, 2005 11:09:47 PM
they don't care about music anymore. and if it doesn't get ratings, then they'll keep showing it until the mindless teenyboppers eat it up. seriously, what does a soap opera have to do with music? at least in the first real world you could stretch and say it was something different and they feature music a lot in it. I'm all for putting Toto's "Africa" and some Van Halen back in the rotation....oh and to bring back a rotation.
Fuck that asshole! by newbrak	Aug 29th, 2005 11:09:56 PM
I say we stop giving him the satisfaction of allowing him to change his fucking stage name all the time. Everyone just refer to him as Puff Daddy. Or Untalented Piece Of Shit.
Puff Daddy destroyed rap music. by loodabagel	Aug 30th, 2005 12:16:53 AM
And turned it into the mental equivalent of hair metal. Can Kanye save us? God, I hope so.
The Andy Milonakis Show by Greased Deaf Guy	Aug 30th, 2005 12:24:36 AM
has to be the worst thing on tv. Maybe if a 12 y/o did the show, I'd brush it off. But the work of a 29 y/o...don't they arrest guys acting 12 on AIM? It's pretty sad if you ask me.
DocPazuzu are you smoking phucking crack??? by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 12:27:10 AM
You have to be. I never ever said that Diddy was a musical genius. I said that he made good business moves with the help of talented people, especially with his clothing line, which is where most of his money is comig from. If the man was just making money off of music alone, then he'd be a lot less wealthier. Back in the mid to late 90's Diddy's Bad Boy lable was cranking out good music by acts like Bigge, Total, 112, Mase and Faith Evans. Sure some of the music was pop freindly from him Total, and mase, but Biggie, 112 and Faith were good artists and made quality music. These few acts were the reason behind Diddy lable moving strong and also a certain producer who's name i forgot but left cause of issues with puffy, and when he left so did Puffy's music empire start to crumble, which was near 2000, when music started sucking in general. I mentioned that the problem I have with Diddy is that he needs to stay his @ss out of the spotlight and stop trying to rap and be an entertainer and run his d@mn business or more to the point his music empire, which he recently had to go back to a joint venture with a major record company cause Bad Boy was losing money and of all his failing cds that been released after 2000. His two flagship artists Faith evans and 112 left Bad Boy cause of neglect from puffy and they couldn't get promotion due to him hogging the spotlight and wanting to perform at every award show under the sun. Who's he got left on Bad Boy? A mediocre rap group called Boyz in da Hood, who sold less them 500 thousand cds after a year of being released and a Boy Band of teens that sold about 1000 cds. I was just saying that I like Puffy and he made himself and his company due to his business savvy period. I never said he was a great producer. Yeah he's produced some hits, like Jodeci, 112, faith, Biggie and Mary J Blige, which was quite good, although some of the beats were samples, but none the less he put his own spin on them. Now the man is pathetic musically. at least he has Sean John.
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I can understand what makes Eminem so angry and bitter. by loodabagel	Aug 30th, 2005 12:57:35 AM
Think about it. The man struggles for years in an, excuse the term, black business and fights to be accepted in the culture, and now that he's a popular rapper, who listens to him? White trash. Stupid hillbilly white kids. And what's with all this Green Day crap? Green Day has been good in the past, they're allright now, but their riding the Crest of the Emo wave really pisses me off. Do they really need to cash in like this? Doesn't their reputation precede them? Jesus shit, did anyone see that vomit inducing video for Wake me up When September Ends, one of the worst songs on the entire album? I kept waiting for something interesting or funny to happen, but it never came. I was duped. But, I suppose I did laugh when that kid joined the army between verses. I had come to really hate those WASPy losers. And now Green Day is also the best band alive today? Let's hope not. A lot of talkbackers have forgotten about a lot of more good mainstream bands, like Beck, Weezer, The White Stripes, Queens of the Stone Age and The Mars Volta. Who I must all compliment for not jumping onto the whiny screecher emo bandwagon. And nobody say that the Blue Orchid video was emo style. If anything, it was mocking the scene, it was just too damn goofy. Of course, let's not forget Weezer, who everyone will blame for starting the emo bubble. Do you see them making music with eyeliner and designer suits. Ha! I think not. Seriously, they are probably the the last great pop band.
"DocPazuzu are you smoking phucking crack???" by DocPazuzu	Aug 30th, 2005 01:44:27 AM
Nice post, The Founder -- that is, for a post which concentrates solely on an offhand comment I made to the effect that you don't have to be artistically talented to make millions of dollars. When you're ready to address the actual issues of my post, such as your allegations of Combs-hate equalling racism and his fucking-up of classics, please feel free to come back.
Coldplay by Mad_Radhu	Aug 30th, 2005 01:45:23 AM
For me they just don't quite, you know, rock. It's hard to describe, but their music (along with Oasis') to me just sits there like a flaccid penis. Their music just has no passion, it seems to me. Not like the classic Rolling Stones, White Stripes, or the Killers (even the Darkness, as silly as they are, have that passion). Coldplay just seems ineffectual as a rock band, just way too nonthreatening. Even Snow Patrol rocks harder than they do.
"he kinda doesnt look like a white male so something must be wro by DocPazuzu	Aug 30th, 2005 01:47:46 AM
Riiiiiiiight.... Because as we all know, if the person whose "talent" we're criticizing is black, then it is by definition racist. Asshole.
Ok DocPazuzu here ya go! by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 02:18:07 AM
Lets get one thing straight. First off i never said that you per se was a racist, but i did indeed say that a lot of the hate is is based of racism. Combs is the target at the moment, but the evidence against black has been on this site in numerous talkbacks on many occasions. A lot of posters make smart ass commests about race, specifically blacks here at this site, and it's no difference then then it is now. The fact is some people hate the fact that Diddy is rich and has made millions acause he's black. I'll be damn if not some months ago I believe when that whole XXX2 movie was released someone posted a comment aboyut rap and that they hate that them blacks are getting so rich off that crap. If that's not a racist comment then I don't know what is. i can list a ton of comments regard rappers abd black actors, and a certain black director that directed a lil Marvel comic about 4 people. Does any of this have anything to do with the Combs hate=racism? No and yes. Some here, like you probably hate Diddy for what ever reason you can find, and some it's flat out racism. I don't have to defend my comments caise their is truth to them. I've been on the site since I was since 99 and i've seen more then enough posts and hateful comments that doesn't equal hate on a spefic person of color, but the entire race. Freddie Prinze is personel hate ,where as someone like Tim Story is racial hate. Now your hatred of Puffy is against him as an indivisual, well that's what you've said and i've got no choice not to believe you cause I haven't read any posts that made me think otherwise for the time being.I do know that it's sad that people would hate someone cause they don't feel they are talented or don't like their music or whatever reason. If I don't care for someone in entertainment, i just don't support their projects with my money. You have a choice, but sprewing hate rather its personel or racial aginst an indivisual that has done no wrong to you is very immature, but everyone has their right to do whatever they want. It's the beauty of america. If puffy was the cause of me living a failed life and i couldn't eat or take car of my family, then i can see the need for hatred, but because you don't like the man's music or name changing or that he hosting the VMA's as the reason for hating him, then i fell pity for you. Now as for the rest of racial crap i've read, well you can take my comments how ever you want them. As for Diddy ruining great and classic songs? Well that's your personel opinion. I don't like all of the music that Puffy has produced or put out as an artist, but i can say one thing, i haven't heard a song that he screwd uped so bad that had the industry and public alike talking.
diddy sucks arse. Musically. Business wise he's a shrewd ope by TonyWilson	Aug 30th, 2005 03:44:05 AM
I don't hate the guy but I do think he's living in cloud cuckoo land about his "talent". Jay-Z on the other hand, well he deserves the praise and the money far more that diddy ever will.
oh Mad_Radhu.....you really think Snow Patrol 'Rock'??? by doglips	Aug 30th, 2005 03:45:04 AM
Pop rock, yes but not rock...spitting games is the only song they have with a bit of venom ( and I know the first two albums are 'heavier' than Final Straw, they are also rubbish) they did jump on the Coldplay wagon a bit didn't they....Granted Coldplay do not really 'rock' but generally I'd say their MOR, much the same as Snow Patrol....The Killers do not 'rock' either, they've written 3 good songs so far but they only inhabit the heavier end of pop....If you want rock go and listen to something like At The Drive In....nothing wrong with the White Stripes though. The Darkness however are a bunch of one trick pony cunts........
I read this shit and cant help but respond by ChubbyChaser	Aug 30th, 2005 04:27:27 AM
Why does everyone come on here to bitch and moan? Music is all about personal taste. I don't care for 50 Cent, but he sells records and people love him so he fills his demographic. Just cause I don't care for him does that make him suck? No, it just means I won't be buying his album. I like Coldplay...but because they dont "rock" I'm gay? So some people like pianos in their songs, who the fuck cares? Don't listen to it or buy the album if you dont like it. And when does other music NOT Fucking influence other music? So what, Radiohead has influenced Coldplay, or Green Day has unfluenced new punk/pop bands...or Kelly Clarkson sings rockish ballads like other girls? Music is about taking someone and improving on it or making it your own. Goddamn this site is filled with a bunch of whiney bitches. You call Eminem winey for being angry about his childhood but then you bitch and moan cause someone likes P.Diddy? Who the fuck cares. Change the motherfucking channel then. Beavis and Butthead? That shit is dumb as a rock to me but it's got a huge fanbase but since i don't think it's funny I should dedicate a whole post to bitching and moaning about it, right? Pathetic. Open your fucking minds up. Close minded assholes. This isn't to everyone but a good majority on this site. It's sad...
on a side note by ChubbyChaser	Aug 30th, 2005 04:29:32 AM
that musical abortion that r kelly performed was truely one for the ages...just amazing...it was like watching a train wreck on tv. i think that's one thing we can all agree on.
"Is when the preps and the wangstas listen to American Idiot stu by Tom Whitaker	Aug 30th, 2005 04:31:49 AM
When you're staking a claim to being a real fan of a band, it's customary to name check one of the early albums, not a greatest hits. Dumbass :)
zekmoe by WiredEarp	Aug 30th, 2005 05:17:54 AM
I happen to work in a record store, that holds every kind of music and lemme tell ya; the one cellled creatures that invest their money Notorious P.I.G and Tupac is the illeterate scum of of the earth. Its impossible for this demographic to get any more ridiculous.
Kelly C by optimus122	Aug 30th, 2005 05:24:58 AM
Did a damn nice job and has really distanced herself from the AI stigma..she looks hot , and has a great voice..love the punk look too..I hear Justin Guarini is doing wallpaper and painting work in her house. Also E.Longoria? Please no more camel toe , that looked plain gross..
TonyWilson right on the money. by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 07:01:50 AM
I have to disagree slightly about Jay-Z. He's a decent rapper but far from the best. The guy has made a few songs that I've enjoyed but the man started making to much pop rap for my tastes. Diddy has indeed made shrewd movies to capitolize off of hiphop, and i see nothing wrong with that.
R Kelly is usually great, but d@mn what went wrong??? MTV picked by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 07:05:25 AM
I don't care what some of you sacks of trash say. R Kelly is greatness. He is an ace in his genre and has produced a ton of hits of various artists. As for his VMA performance it was straight ass. I've seen r keely do great shows and the man can indeed sing live quite well, but what was up with the lip syncing???? I was really surprised at his poor performance.
Green Day today. by Azlam Orlandu	Aug 30th, 2005 07:15:00 AM
Used to fucking hate them in High School, granted I was being a little biased since in high school everyone that isn't your chose band sucks ass. I liked alot of metal and industrial music at the time and still do. For the past 9 years I've watched little or no MTV and at the same time my ex girlfriend was a huge fan of Green Day so naturally I heard a lot of the band and yeah I grew to like a few of their songs here and there but nothing that drove me to fandom. She even dragged me to see them live years back and they did a great job, were generally good natured and likeable guys. So in the years leading into our currrent era I have learned to drop all this elitist "your band sucks, my band is the shit, you're a fag" bullshit and just started to honestly judge things from a perspective that isn't just my own. Imagine that. Here's the breakdown bitches. People that say that Green Day sold out blah blah blah and that their old albums were better and more raw can fuck off. Old Green Day is still not classic punk, nor does it define the genere it's in. Misfits maybe? But just get over the fact that Green Day was no classic. With that said American Idiot came along and kicked me in the balls. God damn, one of the best albums I've heard from a popular band in years. Catch, well written, expertly produced and to top it off Green Day finally matured into something that is beyond their old guise. They fucking rock. I've listened to that album probably more than any other this year and I used to fucking hate these guys. OMG guys, but you're all watching gay pornzo, learn to use the phuckin' intertron. -Az
The founder loves paedophiles...... by doglips	Aug 30th, 2005 07:21:09 AM
Err... R. Kelly is never great and really should be in prison, d@mn, what went wrong???........Is that what you meant to type??? The fact that he was even let in the building illustrates fucking terrible judgment by MTV......He really is a rancid waste of space......
Can somebody PLEASE by DarthMango	Aug 30th, 2005 08:37:54 AM
tell diddy to grow a chin!!??
"Now your hatred of Puffy is against him as an indivisual, well by DocPazuzu	Aug 30th, 2005 09:20:09 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, The Founder, but did you just say that you have no choice but to believe that I'm a racist because I haven't said anything to make you believe otherwise? If you read my posts you'll see that I have nothing against Combs as a human being. In fact, I would have defended his right to make a billion dollars right along with you in this talkback, but when the race card rears its head I'm no longer on board. If you've been here in the TBs since 1999, like you said, then I'm surprised that you haven't seen me engaged in flame wars with REAL racists of all stripes on a number of occasions. In fact, I'm in the middle of one right now in the infamous Aquaf@g talkback. If I interpreted you correctly, and you automatically assume that I'm a racist until I prove otherwise just because I think Diddy is a no-talent ass-clown, than it is in fact YOU who are prejudiced, The Founder and not me.
"for you it's a badge of merit" by DocPazuzu	Aug 30th, 2005 09:27:20 AM
What I said to The Founder is in your case the utter truth, homewrecker. You've proven without a doubt that anyone who criticizes black entertainers is automatically a racist in your eyes. It's obvious you're either too stupid or ideologically blinded to see the hypocrisy in your own blatant racism, bitch.
It Would Be More Racist To Pretend To Like PEE DIDDLY DEE Becaus by ZombieSolutions	Aug 30th, 2005 10:16:17 AM
look, Pee Diddly Ding Dang Doofus SUCKS. if he was white, he would still suck. pretty much everything on MTV -- white, black, latino, or whatever -- pretty much sucks ass. masking your opinion about a person (entertainer or otherwise) based on their racial heritage is far more racist than being honest. in this case you're being way more racist by way of condescension. my guess is that the people equating thinking Pee Diddly Ding Dang Doofus is a talentless hack with racism probably don't actually have any African American friends -- but they pretend they do. they'd like to. not on the level of honest friendship, but on the level of guilt and maybe "cred". act like you know, people. oh, btw, how come they never play THE ROOTS or Talib Kweli or Mos Def or Common on MTV? cause it's GOOD MUSIC. MTV isn't about music at all, it's about fashion and lifestyle marketing for affluent white adolescents. fuck this top 40 rap bullshit. it's sonic vomit for the wanna be blang blang dumbasses. (oh, and Founder, DocPaz is easily one of the coolest people on this site and he's definately not a racist.)
"God I hate people like you. Guess I'm racist then, right? " by Kai_Mah'gra	Aug 30th, 2005 10:28:29 AM
........no, just a bumbling mindless moronic imbecile; a delicate and slight difference to be sure, but a difference nonetheless - you see, at least racists can often form coherent, albeit misguided, opinions. To be honest, racists are often just naive, uninformed and unexposed individuals and products of unfortunate upbringing, quite often redeemable; I don't think it's fair to them, by any extent, to go as far as to compare them with you.
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Let me try to straighten everything out between all you klansmen by loodabagel	Aug 30th, 2005 11:23:19 AM
First off, Hatred for Puff Daddy? Race based, I think not. Puff Daddy was the king of exploitation in the mid to late 90s. With his powerful business empire, he was able to control a lot of the rap music of the era. Puff became popular with his style of excess and greed. In turn, more artists followed and were duped into replicating his style, thus creating a rap black hole of hair metallish intelligence (I've said it before, but I can't think of a better example). Now Puff Daddy no longer raps, has changed his name twice and probably just hangs arould the Mtv offices all day, hoping to guest spot on a dating show or host a TV special. However, I must compliment the man for his Vote or Die campaign last year. It's always good to get the word out for a good cause. Second, everyone here who hates rap music, do they really mean it, or are they just saying that? If it's the latter, please give it a try. There's so much good stuf to hear. It will probably be at least a decade old, but that doesn't really matter. Most of the rap heters here are probably just people who've listened to fiddy cen once and decided to leave it at that. But if you can, go find some good rap like Beastie Boys, Run DMC, NWA, 2Pac, Dr. Dre, Kanye West, OutKast, (If you don't like those two, don't worry, they're still pretty new wave) Notorious B.I.G., De La Soul, Woo Tang Clan, and of course, Public Enemy. Give rap a try guys, I hope you don't come away dissapointed. By the way, did anyone see that five hour special on VH1 about the history of Rap? That was a really great show. And finally, Is AICN rascist? Quite possibly yes. But I don't think the problem lies with the talkbackers but rather with the site itself. Many of the black people that get mentioned here aren't that cool. The site chooses to report about Puff Daddy instead of Stevie Wonder. Fantastic Four instead of Hustle and Flow. Sam Jackson is probably only so popular here because of Pulp Fiction. Any moive with a rapper in it seems to be pretty bad. Why write a review of Crash when XXX2 is coming out? Do rappers who act in movies only play thugs? Of course not. There are many great performances form the likes of Mos Def, Queen Latifah, Ice Cube, and (surprisingly) Ludacris. Nobody bothered to talk about the Barbershop Tv Show. I could go on and on, but I think there's plenty enough here already. Peace out guys, before we shoot each other down in a bloddy street argument over who's rascist.
Vote or Die by Zedsdead	Aug 30th, 2005 12:35:48 PM
I wouldn't give him too much credit for his vote or die campaign since from what I hear he didn't even vote himself. It was more about selling tshirts and being on tv.
doglipsX for god's sake, what a pathetic attempt. R Kelly ha by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 04:01:18 PM
Jeez please at least come better with that underage girls crap before you try and attack me. That case has nothing to do with the mans music. Yes I like his music, but that doesn't mean i'd let him spend time with my daughter.
IAmJack'sUserID don't try and twist shyt! I never said by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 04:14:42 PM
Never once did I generalize an entire race. No that belongs to quite a few here, who are all probably white. A lot of crap is racial when a black in entertainment is mentioned on this site. Tim Story was announced as director of F4, and every damn black comment came out under the sun, despite the fact that people knew litte of him. I don't know what you'd call comments about rappers and beyonce and Queen latifah playing characters in the movie and a hiphop soundtrack will be featured. Tim Story was going to black the movie down, and incedently with shyt most of you draw from MTV and Hollywood about black people. Them fake ass entertainers does not represent me or the entire black race. Don't try and tell me that shyt was indivisualism or personel hate against one man. No one even knows Tim story well enough to even know if he likes hiphop music, it's just automatically assumed cause he's black. I use him as one example of many that I've seen on this site of my 6 years of being here. You really need to come better when you come at me. The evidence is plastered all through out this site in many different topics. You just wanted to have something to say and failed at it. At least back up your comments with something other then lumping me in with shyt you've read from other posters.
loodabagel I can't agree with everything you've said. P by The Founder	Aug 30th, 2005 04:30:20 PM
Puffy never controlled rap music. That is such a blanket statement. he was popular musically and that's it. He had like two main rap artists which were Biggie and mase. I'd hardly call that a lock on the rap catagory, especially with artists around like Master P, The Fugees, Lauryn Hill, Outkast, Bone Thugs, Nas, Juvenile, Jay Z and these are just a few who had much success in the 90's and never followed Puffy's style. If anything blame the execs cause they are the ones who would've fashioned artits after successful acts and not puffy. He only controlled who was signed to his lable. Othe then that your post is dead on.
"Will it Suck Harder..." & Jango Fett by DeeJay	Aug 30th, 2005 04:45:17 PM
Hercules... congratulations on taking talkbackers and making them look like lemmings. The anti-Puffy comments I've read remind me a lot of those "awfully worst" shows on VH1. They aren't much more than the musings of defeated dreamers who can do little more than sit in judgment of someone who
The Founder says "They never copied Puffy's style" by playahatersball	Aug 30th, 2005 05:16:17 PM
Dude- newsflash. Master P got where he is today (making shows on Nickeodeon with his son) by copying every one of Puffy's business decisions- and then dumbing them down more than was previously thought possible. Even (Most Consistant MC of all time) Jay-z went through a shiny suit, fish eye lens, diddy stage in his video for the song "Sunshine" (way back in 97). And Puffy has NEVER been popular musically- his biggest hit album was really an unfinished Biggie album that he filled in as (whack) MC for most of it. Ludabagel is right when he says Puffy (at one time) controlled Hip-hop- as a producer (who doesn't actually "produce" tracks like Kanye or Dre, he's an executive) Sean Combs has the role of being the guy with the batton at the front of the parade. He can't stop because he WON'T stop.
That doesn't mean.... by playahatersball	Aug 30th, 2005 05:19:29 PM
that if you dislike him, that you dislike hip-hop. It means you don't like comercialism. Unless you listen to Coldplay- I had to listen to that while I was getting tatooed last week- it was like being trapped on an elevator. Do they write their music through a focus group, or just produce songs specifically for use in car comercials and movie previews?
to moviemack and all the other haters by Spice-Orange	Aug 30th, 2005 05:42:49 PM
If you dont like it, dont buy it. period. end of line. move along. All you high and mighty "my music is better than yours" dickweeds can go to hell. Its just music! get over it! Pop music is just fun stuff for EVERYONE to enjoy- thus; "popular". Why all you people have to hate things to make you think you're better than everyone else is pretty strange. I guess that's what America media and your "betterness" teaches you how to act. Personally, i thought the show was very average and i dont know why they cant get Chris Rock to do it every year. Seeing Diddy take everything so seriously was a joke. the VMAs are a laid back party and celebration, whats with the "dramatic"-ness of it all? lame. oh well. i watched so call me a sucker. Pop music isn't dead, and it wont ever be dead because there will always be radios, teenagers and music companies looking for a broad appeal. if you're not "falling for it" then go back to your erm... whatever the fuck you listen to and let everyone else play what they want and get out of our faces. I dont understand why mtv and pop haters come into a thread thats about mtv and pop music. that would be like me going into a 24 thread and demanding the show cancelled because we never get to see them sleep or pee. Im surprised that all you angry liberals dont like Green Day... there CD's are your anthem! lol! Otherwise about the show: Kelly Clarkson was great and proved shes the real deal. Any guy cant argue against wet girls dancing around without people questioning their sexuality. It was awesome to see her beat out biggies like Gwen and Mariah. I'd love to see a normal girl like Clarkson get a couple grammies this year just to wait up the industry. Its not about rappers, guns, sluts, bitches and drugs and "how much sex i can get in the club tonight"... its about talent, damnit, and a clear sign that Pop music isn't dead is one girl named Kelly Clarkson.
Err Founder, I was attacking your morals not R.Kellys music..... by doglips	Aug 30th, 2005 06:34:05 PM
If your happy to financially support a known child sex offender go for it........I however am not, it amazes me that his releases do so well on both sides of the pond, but it just goes to show how fucked up society has become........Especially when said music is drivel of the highest order ( now I am only basing this on his single releases as strangely enough I have never been in the unfortunate predicament of being subjected to one of his albums...), if you love shit like Vibe, I believe and Happy People then you are more of a moronic no taste twat than I took you for before...can you seriously say you can sit through the Happy People video without feeling highly embarrassed or crying with laughter....what the fuck is that shirt/dress combo all about....R. Kelly is a cock, end of story.....And Marvin Gaye is most definitely turning in his grave at all those ridiculous comparisons...there will never be another MG........
spice orange by ShadowSorkin07	Aug 30th, 2005 07:38:03 PM
I agree with you on one point, and one point only. I think there is a little too much hate for coldplay, and that's it. MTV really is runing this country, in the sense that it's making a bunch of teenagers stupider then they all ready are. Rap is crap, at least anything they played at the show. And I don't think Kelly is hot, bottom line. Does that make me gay? No, because I have no problem with the fact that I'm one hundred percent straight. We haters have a good reason to hate, it's a fucking scary company, and should burn now! Also, haters of coldplay, shut the hell up. It's better then any rap, I repeat, any rap ever. Greatest band ever? No, but they are damn good. Also, truelly great pop is still out there, it's called Frou Frou and the shins, postal service and death cab for cutie
diddy and rap by laterdayz	Aug 30th, 2005 09:45:51 PM
we already know he isnt a rapper.its obvious. hell he knows he isnt a rapper. he is however a one hell of a business man who knows how to market the hell out of anythign they throw at him. This guy can put his logo on it and sell the fuck out of it. I think his music making abilities is really not even an issue anymore. And really the people who say rap is pointless and easy should just try and go out and do it themselves. That way you can be millionairs and can stop complaining like its the easiest way to make money and any idiot can do it. If any idiot can do it I want to see some of you guys do it.
thank you laterdayz. all these guys screaming how rapping takes by SirBiatchReturns	Aug 30th, 2005 09:50:21 PM

by foreignerbelt	Aug 30th, 2005 09:55:35 PM
first of all whoever said outkast was new wave rap (what does that mean?) is wrong- they're much older than Kanye West (Rosa Parks=best hip hop song ever?). you know, back when they sounded like pharcyde ('she keeps on passing me by'= best hip hop song ever?) and then I must say that Kelly Clarkson is KILLING it right now. I feel like that dude in the last few episodes of six feet under who cant stop listening to top 40 music. what does it say about me that the more popular she gets the hotter she looks in my eyes. I liked the backstreet boys. there. I liked Nsync when they got popular. there. hell, back when I thought Hanson was 3 chicks singing I thought mmbop was the greatest song I had ever heard. then when I realized that it was 2 boys and an _extremely_ hot chick I liked them even more. I loved the thing that Puffy did with the Zeppelin guitarist, it got me psyched. I loved the new Biggie 'Every Breath you take' except for the part where Sting sings off key in the live version. I think that every single one of R. Kelly's songs are fucking awesome. I love 'ocean avenue'. I love 'mr. brightside'. I love..lamp. I love the Sheryl Crow version of Sweet Child of Mine (holy shit I'm going to beat _myself_ up now). I love the Dixie Chicks. i WENT TO LILLITH FAIR AND I LIKED IT!!!..'sob'.......it feels good. it feels...good. thank God none of you know who I am.
Modern Rap - sucks. Public Enemy- KICKS ASS. by ZeroCorpse	Aug 30th, 2005 10:25:27 PM
And Diddy is a hack. People who buy his crap should be ashamed of themselves. MTV is worthless. Gorillaz is the only halfway decent group they play. Green Day are rip-off artists, wannabes, and completely unable to do anything that doesn't sound exactly like the last thing they did.
Say what you want about rap, but Kanye West kicks all of you in by Terry_1978	Aug 30th, 2005 10:49:47 PM
The man has talent, plain and simple. When IGN dedicates a page to him, you know he's touched some nerd boys.
rock by stellarspins18	Aug 30th, 2005 10:52:10 PM
last rock album that blew my head off was i think...be here now 1997. and coldplay fans, i like coldplay, but please stop butchering the word 'rock'. coldplay is not rock, if anything its ambient
Green Day by 24200124	Aug 31st, 2005 01:41:56 AM
Say what you will about Green Day, but their live show is AMAZING. I just got back from the Columbia, MD show, and they have blown my ass away for the third time in less than ten months. Granted, the setlist is getting to be a little rote (they've played their short "noise ordinance" set the last two times i've seen them), but they never fail to impress me. It IS what people will call "pop punk", but it's a hell of a lot of fun to listen to and watch. Billie Joe is the consummate frontman -- he has never failed to whip the crowd into a frenzy. The band is tight as hell, and they lend their repertoire great energy and substance, while only ranging from "Dookie" to "American Idiot". To my knowledge, they haven't played anything off of their older albums (Kerplunk or 1,039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours), but for three core guys and three session musicians, they sure as hell know how to give the audience a great time. Kudos to them for garnering the VMA awards. I'd rather that than some silly, no-talent boy or girl bands that don't even write their own songs. Yes, it is sad to say that Green Day is the one of the only bands on this sad channel that has any substance or depth. Most of these last remaining bastions of goodness are their peers, with careers dating back to the mid-90's. Not much of the new stuff interests me, and the bands that do DON'T get played on MTV. MORE KASABIAN. MORE ATHLETE. PLEASE.
doglipsX you truly have no taste in music. To say that R Kelly s by The Founder	Aug 31st, 2005 03:44:38 AM
Convicted sex offender?? He hasn't been found guilty yet. Now do I think he's guilty. Yes, but to say i have no morals for supporting him then you don't know me at all. I've supported Kelly musically for years because THE MAN HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST 15 PHUCKING YEARS. These sex charges are recent and other then that i didn't have a sixth sense to have known this man was a sex offender back in the d@mn 90's. As for his past songs like Happy People, well that's opinion and dorsnt make is true cause your @ss say so. Kelly has sold millions of albums. all of his albums were commercially successful, so I guees that means millions of people have no taste? I don't know what songs you've listened to say that his music is garbage but if that's what you feel then more power to you. People like you think your tastes are gold and what you don't like can't be accepted and those who like who you dislike are dumb and have no taste. All i've seen are poeple here bashing d@mn near every musical act that appears on MTV, even the good ones. Whatever you and oythers taste may be then i respect that but to call me dumb or however you referred to me as just shows you for the poser and intolorent phuck you really are.
shadowsorkin you dumbass by TonyWilson	Aug 31st, 2005 05:03:02 AM
Coldplay are turds in a fishbowl compared to Quannum or Bambaataa or oldeer Nas stuff. Coldplay aren't all bad, Yellow, The Scientist and Fix You are fairly good but to say they are better than any rap ever is just a stupid uneducated pile of bullshit. Sorry but it's true.
R.Kelly makes my ears bleed..thats why I have to be an intoleran by doglips	Aug 31st, 2005 05:46:01 AM
Do you ever read a post before Replying Founder? Where did I say convicted? Where did I attack all your morals?...we are only arguing on one topic - R.Kelly and his penchant for young girls...As far as I can tell you think he's guilty and wouldn't let your daughter near him, but reading your other posts back you have not denounced his extra curricular activities, so I have to assume you think it's ok for him to do it with other peoples daughters, that to me makes your stance on underage sex BAD moralistically..........His music ? What have I heard that makes me think he's terrible? - all his singles...but hey your right!, each to their own and all that. Believe me I am not a music snob, I'm well aware that all genres of music bring out a love em or hate em attitude in people and R. Kelly's got me hating, apologies if that offends you.....
Poopy poop by dr_buggerlugs	Aug 31st, 2005 07:11:00 AM
Personally there hasn't been a good VMA show since 1999 - I normally watch it every year as it's usually fairly glossy car crash teevee, though I've only seen snippets of this year but what the hell was that Biggie tribute thing with Poof Diddly trying to be a conductor...can the man actually host a show without actually hijacking it or having another tribute to Biggie...is it 1997 all over again? Could they not have got a comedian to host it? How about someone like Sarah Silverman to serious piss off a few people? If anything the show seems to have become a lot less fun and a lot less about videos...remember when the best director award was actually presented on the show? Where's the Video Vanguard award gone? If not the technical categories, the least MTV could do is properly honour the directors who actually make these things rather than an artist who says "I want a video with some erm...bitches and a bit of cristal" and gets the award. HONOUR THE REAL TALENT! Oh and one of the best gigs I've ever seen was a hip hop show...The Roots, Nottingham Rock City, 24/11/04...those bitches dem know how to rock it. And Diamonds From Sierra Leone is my favourite single of the year so far. But now it's probably the new BRMC one.
Kanye is talented, his CD Late Registration is great. And to rub by Mr. Profit	Aug 31st, 2005 07:33:29 AM
Who is well known for his work with Aimee Mann and Fiona Apple. The best tracks on that CD are Gold Digger, Heard Em Say (With Adam Levine), We Major (With Nas), and Celebration. For the people who diss rap music, just listen to this CD and see that it is the opposite of everything you think rap music is.
And face it, the last good VMA's was when Britney Spears did by Mr. Profit	Aug 31st, 2005 07:35:48 AM
It's sad but you all know it to be true.
Diddy didnt seem to have helped -- MVA ratings DOWN 22% from las by Spacesheik	Aug 31st, 2005 07:39:30 AM

R. Kelly's Magnum Opus -- "In The Closet" -- Is Easily One o by ZombieSolutions	Aug 31st, 2005 08:39:07 AM
it makes LL COOL J's "I Need Love" seem like Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.
by SmashedRat	Aug 31st, 2005 10:55:07 AM
Why no mention of beastie boys their hip hop all the way!...MTV is shit...P diddy shit PUNK rules...all these bad ass fake rappers 50 game phoney fuckers wanna change there tune every song same about money cars and ho's SAD TWATS
Didn't R.Kelly marry Ailiyah when she was 8 or something? by The True Priapic	Aug 31st, 2005 12:16:22 PM
Fucking R.Kelly!Bwahahahaha.What a joke.Like that twat Fiddy going after Lindsay Lohan.They know not to fuck a girl with age and experience because they'd be found out to be limp-dicked.Saying Kelly should be regarded as a musical talent is like saying Hitler painted some fine pictures.It's beside the point...people who argue this pro-kelly stuff are appalling.Once you break moral laws and codes you've chosen your path.Burn.....and take your crap cd's with you,assbags.
Oversaturation is very bad. by Lilium	Aug 31st, 2005 12:22:45 PM
I think all of you who really love rap need to take a stand now. Too much over stauration of one specific channel like MTV is not a good thing. If history has tught us anything, it does tend to repeat itself and you may very well find yourself facing a backlash once everyone has gotten bored with the genre like in 1980 when people revolted against disco.
by foreignerbelt	Aug 31st, 2005 12:26:13 PM
WHOA. leave LL out of this.
"im going back to cali, cali, cali, im going back to cali, uhm i by Spacesheik	Aug 31st, 2005 12:49:31 PM

R Kelly and Aalyah by playahatersball	Aug 31st, 2005 01:28:35 PM
Yup, he married her while she was 14 or 15, but nobody found out until she died in 2001- that was like 9-11 for r&b fans, you know- the same way Dale Earnhart's crash was the redneck 9-11?
aye yai yai no me gusta by lopan	Aug 31st, 2005 01:51:31 PM
anything involved with MTV blows. go down to your local independent record store and pick out any CD, any one, and i guarantee you it will blow away any of the image-driven commercial bullshit that is being discussed here. green day, oasis, BRMC, clarkson, coldplay, whatever. it's all focus-grouped talentless bullshit.
Kanye West Is Aiight, But There's Much Better Out There... by ZombieSolutions	Aug 31st, 2005 03:17:37 PM
but heres who's better and still in the game -- THE ROOTS, Mos Def, Talib Kweli (and Blackstar, of course) , and Common. on the more RnB side, Alicia Keyes has pretty much stolen my goddamn heart. she's gorgeous and supertalented.
Kanye and Alicia by Castor777	Aug 31st, 2005 03:56:29 PM
Are among the most talented on the R&B and hip hop side. Alicia is by far the most talented female performer out there - even though I do respect Kelly Clarkson. Kanye's new CD has really won me over - and as someone mentioned above, Jon Brion (who also did the soundtracks for I Heart Huckabees, Punch Drunk Love, and Magnolia) has done a great job with an already great producer in Kanye. Please do not judge these two unless you've really listened to their CDs - especially The Diary of Alicia Keys and Late Registration.
grunge is still alive by pjfan	Aug 31st, 2005 05:14:08 PM
Pearl Jam still kicks ass!!
People actually watched the VMA? MTV DIED years ago by Bong	Aug 31st, 2005 06:02:27 PM
All of the tings that made the channel somewhat interesting to watch are gone...GONE How could one (aside from ditzy highschool kid) actually waste time watching anything on that channel?
Blackstar....Now were fucking talking.... by doglips	Aug 31st, 2005 06:12:07 PM
What an album!!.......Respiration is one of my all time favourite tracks...Kweli, Common + Mos Def it doesn't get better than that...What about Reflection Eternal And the HiTeknology album?....Has anyone ever heard the Brand New heavies Heavy Rhyme Experience Vol1? a really great album Pharcyde, Gangstarr, Black Sheep, Kool G Rap and Grand Puba all on one album..Released in the early nineties and still has not dated..Class...Does anyone like The New Danger?? I thought it was a little disappointing...
Everyone knows Aaliyah married R Kelly and we did not find out a by Mr. Profit	Aug 31st, 2005 06:22:52 PM
Aaliyah was with him during her 1st CD. R Kelly produced her fist album Age Aint Nothing But A Number. She lied to everyone about her age and said she's 19 when she was 15. When R&B fans found out about her marriage to R Kelly, they turned on the both of them. It was revealed by Vibe magazine. At award shows they were both booed. And since she lied about her age on the license, it was annulled. Aaliyah disappeared from the spotlight and waited for everything to boil over. And made a big comeback with a new look and sound with 1997's One In A Million. She ditched R Kelly and did not mention him or was not even seen near him. One In A Million marked her 1st collabo with Missy and Timbaland and they collaborated ever since right up until her death in 2001. Aaliyah's album launched Missy and Timbaland's careers. Her death was a shock and a sad loss as she was coming into her own as an artist. And was the only R&B singer in her group of peers that wanted to experiment with Rock. She was to work with Trent Reznor and Korn for the Queen of the Damned soundtrack but she died. To say the discovery of her relationship with R Kelly was the 9/11 for R&B fans is stupid because it's very old news. And 9/11 actually happened a week after her death.
R.Kelly's 'Trapped in the Closet' is BizMarkie's by HypeEndsHere	Aug 31st, 2005 07:24:01 PM

Heres irony for you ThomasBeckett... by doglips	Sep 1st, 2005 03:27:50 AM
I was in the depths of outer Mongolia recently ( as you do ) and the direct translation of your name is COCKEND!! amazing or what....
so thomasbeckett is being a sad little troll monkey. by Cameron1	Sep 1st, 2005 05:26:08 AM
fair enough I'll give him the reply he wants; You dumbass motherfucker thomas, if you evder actually got out of your parents basement and experienced more than what you see on mtv, youd understand that a lot of rap is fucking awesome. Sadly, pathetic little freaks like yourself will never have the bals to get away from momma's teet. Ah well no loss to society there.
Fuck rap man, where's my Spandau Ballet album?!! by Spacesheik	Sep 1st, 2005 11:08:53 AM

FYI.... by Packin_Beef	Sep 1st, 2005 02:05:54 PM
THE BEE GEES RULE!
Diddy, Take that goddam toothpick out of your mouth! by Knobules	Sep 1st, 2005 04:20:22 PM
Oooh hes so cool! And he has a posse!
DIDDY swaying to the orchestra with his Baton was fucking embarr by Spacesheik	Sep 2nd, 2005 01:11:46 PM

Andy Milonakis by Shifty35	Sep 2nd, 2005 02:15:22 PM
Okay...I've been living in Canada for the past year going to school, and all I get on the tube is MuchMusic. I've been a little out of touch. But could someone explain to me who this Milonakis kid is? I was home visiting family and caught this on TV, and I think I literally felt my brain shrinking. How in the world did this kid get a TV show? He needs to be attached to a rocket and shot into the sun.
Let's call him... by D	Sep 2nd, 2005 04:54:27 PM
p
Andy Milonakis is (supposedly) a 27 year old man. by loodabagel	Sep 2nd, 2005 09:39:48 PM
His show is a true guilty pleasure. Don't let anyone know you watch it. They probably enjoy it too, but it'll still just make you sound stupid talking about it. Andy is one of the few people alive who can capture the feeling of being 5 years old. He originally made videos on the internet before he started appearing on the Man Show with Jimmy Kimmel who is currently producing his Mtv show. Sure it's stupid, but it seems to be Mtv's stupid shows that get remembered-Like Tom Green, Jackass and Beavis and Butt-Head

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