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AICN COMICS REVIEWS! SUPERGIRL! WITCHBLADE! CAPTAIN AMERICA! AND A WHOLE MESS OF INDIE JONES PRESENTS!!!

hey by LionogJudah89	Aug 17th, 2005 11:44:42 AM
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by LionogJudah89	Aug 17th, 2005 11:47:53 AM
cant wait for the next 100 bullets
Witchblade by holidill	Aug 17th, 2005 11:51:51 AM
I never read an issue of Witchblade until Ron Marz took over and had Greg Land draw such beautiful covers. I have loved the book ever since. He has sidestepped the T and A of what the previous Witchblade's used to have and have now made it into an interesting character study. Mike Choi's art is good as well. As for Fables, if the adversary is we are supposed to think it is, this was a brillant little story.
I've read all of Elk's Run so far, and by The Heathen	Aug 17th, 2005 11:55:28 AM
I think it's really creepy. Issue #3 is in the mail (good thing I pre-ordered it!) The environment it creates is so out there, but yet it's real. The only minor complaint I have is the art SOMETIMES feels different than the rest of the book. In #2 the flashbacks to Vietnam I didn't care for, but that's not saying that what happened wasn't chilling. I think the art is better w/ the darker tones of the town instead of the bright daylight. Really good so far and I can't wait to get #3. Really good review too.
I bought the Runaways HC... by MasterWhedon	Aug 17th, 2005 12:20:23 PM
...and it's the best purchase I've made in quite a while. I really dig the "new" run, but it doesn't compare to this. You immediately care about and "know" each of these characters. Classical Marvel storytelling in a hip, modern world.
"Names." by MasterWhedon	Aug 17th, 2005 12:21:35 PM
There, 'mack.
Bug, you couldn't be more correct about the big 2's EVEN by The Heathen	Aug 17th, 2005 12:22:48 PM
and that scene in Villians United w/ Ragdoll in the pipes was awesome
"Plus, as I told you four weeks ago, Batman is officially dead." by The Heathen	Aug 17th, 2005 12:31:55 PM
No name calling mack, but I'm pretty sure you've been ranting about Batman being dead, sucking, gay, or whatever despite your love for him (in a completely non-gay way) for far longer than 4 weeks. I think it's been all summer? **** The Runaways HC I also pre-ordered and was able to get it for $25. I've got a lot to catch up on.
I don't understand the hatred for Azrael by vikingkitty	Aug 17th, 2005 12:36:41 PM
I miss those days.
Again, Brubaker should pay Loeb and Lee for ripping off their "H by Heywood Jablowme	Aug 17th, 2005 12:40:33 PM
And another thing, despite Gwen Stacy screwing the Green Goblin, Luke Cage's proclivity towards deviant sexual activities, melting Reed Richards' face, and killing/subsequently resurrecting nearly every character, ONE thing stays constant: Bucky stays dead! Can't wait for him to start Daredevil so he can bring back Karen Page and Matt's father. Bug, et al, you were right about the House of M. Should have called it the House of Eh (as in "eh, whatever", not Canada "eh"). My money would have been better spent at the House of Pancakes (International, that is). Mmmmm, funnelcakes.
so, I've been out of comics for a few years... by Strabo	Aug 17th, 2005 12:53:30 PM
So, allow me to catch up here...Spoiler became Robin, then got killed ehh? That sucks...I always liked her. Struck me as sort of a young Huntress. What happened to Tim Drake? Also...a new Supergirl series? What happened to the old one? And Azrael is back ehh? Where'd he go?
Why the hate for Azrael? by Ambush Bug	Aug 17th, 2005 12:59:00 PM
Well, for the same reason why I hate Venom, Vengeance, Bullseye, Sabretooth, Elektra, and for the most part the Joker and Catwoman. These guys make good antagonists for our hero, but instead of savoring them, the powers that pee give them their own miniseries and series, turning them into misguided heroes or anti-heroes or whatever and basically spreading the character so thin that they lose any and all impact when our hero meets with them in his own story. Azrael had a nice little arc in "Knightfall" which trailed on to a decent miniseries, which resulted in an ongoing series that had maybe 20 good issues. The problem is the series lingered around for over one hundred issues, riding on the sales spikes it received when it crossed over with the Bat books every two to three months. It seemed as if DC owed Denny O'Neil a favor and a half for letting him go on with the character as long as he did. I dig a little jig and chugged a beer when I found out they were cancelling that series.
Supergirl by Kara Zor-El	Aug 17th, 2005 01:00:38 PM
I'm hoping for a lot more from the new Supergirl title. I've always been a fan and she's been one of the few characters I really connected with so I'm extremely happy to see her back as herself and not some knock-off. The Power Girl thing is pretty lame indeed. I'm not near as down on this book as the reviewer but I was hoping for more - and I'll keep reading - at least for awhile. Superman in drag? That's ridiculous. She needs more dimension and a lot more development but good freaking grief - it's the first issue.
You can thank Michael Turner for screwing up Supergirl by Doc_Strange	Aug 17th, 2005 01:02:22 PM
If you look at his work with the character you can see that's where DC wanted to go in terms of style. Turner used to be pretty good, yet he has let his anatomy work slip in recent years and is kind of hacky to tell you the truth. Ian Churchill is pretty much the same. His anatomy is nonexistant, his women are not desirable in the least. I think everyone should draw like Adam Hughes or Travis Charest, these guys are the pinnacle of comic art in my opinion.
Whatever happened to Travis Charest? by Ambush Bug	Aug 17th, 2005 01:08:22 PM
I remember liking his work a long time ago, but I haven't heard that name in ages.
Meh! by Fantomex	Aug 17th, 2005 01:13:42 PM
A few more great Captain America reviews and I may actually have to read it. Still kinda pissed about how they ended the last run. Would have loved to see Cap run for Vice-Pres and get swift-boated. Anyhow, 100 bullets is starting to loose it for me. We were already confused before this arc, its now crossing the line into last-few-seasons-of-xfiles teritory, which is just silly. Enough with the dumb conversations between two characters where absolutely nothing gets said. And it wasn't even a huge reveal because we already saw them talking a few issues ago. It was a big deal then, but nothing was served dragging it out a few more issues. And the whole Cole Burns subplot was nonsensical. Bah. I hope Azzarello can pull this together, but we'll have to wait and see. Fables rocked and I can't wait to get my Runaways HC.
I am so smart! by Homer Sexual	Aug 17th, 2005 01:42:24 PM
I knew who the adversary in Fables is some time ago. I thought it had been kind of given away, and thus misdirection, but whaddaya know??? And it was an excellent story! Now, HoM is disappointing for a 30 years of Marvel fan like me. No, it doesn't suck, but it's not good, and it's not exciting. It meets neither my standard for "good" comics nor for "entertaining." Oh well. I agree that Villains United is the best lead-in to Infinite Crisis. Omac is also pretty good, though.
That's why I hate Sabretooth, Bug! plus Supergirl by Homer Sexual	Aug 17th, 2005 01:51:39 PM
Ambush, I so totally agree! I HATE when they change classic villains into anti-heroes. Sabretooth is the ne plus ultra of this for me. Elektra was weak, too. At least she was always cold-blooded rather than bloodthirsty (there is a difference). But when friggin Sabretooth goes good...well, I dropped X-Men for years after that happened. (It's ok in eXiles or AoA, since it's alternate reality). BTW, I didn't think Supergirl was so bad, and I liked the art. But I am not a fan of any "Super" character, except Power Girl. PG is the only reason I bought Supergirl, actually. Love her character and visual. Much more complex than the Kryptonians. Now, watch her die like the original Supergirl did in the original Crisis.
Tim Drake by holidill	Aug 17th, 2005 01:55:59 PM
Tim Drake is still Robin after his father was killed in Identity Crisis. He has moved to Bludhaven with Batgirl, is still a member of the Titans, and is thinking of joining a military group.
the supergirl art: by Shigeru	Aug 17th, 2005 02:02:16 PM
seared my eyes and hands when I flipped it open. I had to bathe in holy water. Anybody remember what the crap book that Churchill drew in the 90s was?? Oh yeah and one more thing: VENOM LETHAL ENFORCER RULED. ahhahaha no it didn't.
After reading my Azrael rant and my VILLAINS UNITED cheap shot.. by Ambush Bug	Aug 17th, 2005 02:20:33 PM
don't think I don't see the hypocrisy. I guess the difference is that Simone still writes these villains as complete and utter badasses. I feel as if I am reading an adventure story about super villans, rather than reading a super hero story with a villain awkwardly shoved in as with Sabretooth, Venom, and the like.*****Oh and it wouldn't surprise me if they end up offing Supergirl in the new CRISIS. Loeb did just sign an exclusive with Marvel and it would be pretty sneaky of DC to set up a big 1st issue and then offing her right away for dramatic effect. Too bad that first issue of SUPERGIRL was pretty bad.
Ian Chruchill's early work.... by playahatersball	Aug 17th, 2005 03:09:24 PM
I remember him drawing about 30 issues of Cable back when Loeb was writing both that and X-man.... That was my fave in tenth grade, then I gave that whole series to my brother about six years ago. I just tried to re-read it and was less than impressed. Churchill's different from Liefield in that Churchill can draw someone's head in profile, while RL can only draw the same body/face/angle on everything with only slight variations in costuming. God he sucked.
Robbie L. by TempusFugitive	Aug 17th, 2005 03:11:35 PM
*God he sucked.* SuckS. I believe the more accurate term is SuckS.
Errrmmmm...... by Jaka	Aug 17th, 2005 03:24:10 PM
Cerebus, Sandman, Bone, Transmet....oh wait....my bad. All those series ended. Sigh.
Villains unite agaist the PTB by SpikeTBB	Aug 17th, 2005 03:24:54 PM
I completely agree with the sentiment that villains are being mishandled in most of the books at the DC and Marvel. Villains United and Justice show how villains should be done. But to often we are getting work that seems to be a combination of marketing polls and half educated fan boys with no real grasp of the characters they have been entrusted with. A great example is the various bad renditions of The Joker that have sprung up lately. It seems every writer wants to give instant status to his new creation by having him pound on The Joker. Red Hood, Hush and Prometheus all got a turn. I have been trying to hold on to the belief that the recurrent humiliation is leading up to a vengeful, powered up and maybe improved Joker getting some payback. But it is to long in coming, and I am not sure I trust the creators with that much intelligence any more. The classic villains need to be bad ass and damn near unstoppable for some reason or another. Only their respective arch enemy can stop them, and even they should be barely able to pull it off. By watering down the villains, they are diminishing the heroes as well. How heroic are Superman and Batman if Lex Luthor and The Joker could be stopped by Big Vic from The Shield?
Here's a start mrfantasto by Heywood Jablowme	Aug 17th, 2005 04:14:50 PM
Marvel books that are worth a look consistently: Ultimate Spider-man, Ultimate X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, New Avengers, Amazing Spider-man. As for D.C. try: JLA, JSA, Justice, Superman/Batman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Batman. IMHO those are some good books that should remind you why comics are so damn cool and they will only set you back about 30 or so bucks a month. Just the same as it was when you left, avoid anything by Rob Liefeld, anything associatied with Todd MacFarlane, and sadly Frank Miller.
These are the reviews i was expecting last week by El Vale	Aug 17th, 2005 04:19:28 PM
Kudos people!
Split vote on Captain America by saint6	Aug 17th, 2005 04:22:56 PM
I'm a big fan of Brubaker's, and Cap is my #2 favorite (behind Batman), but I think his run on Cap has been boring as heck. Regardless of the whole Bucky thing. If I wanted to read a monthly book with nothing but people talking, except maybe a page or two of action per issue, I'd read Bendis. Daredevil is my #3 hero, so I'm happily looking forward to Bendis leaving and someone who writes action coming in. Wait, who'd you say is taking over DD?
Oh and Indie Jones must die by El Vale	Aug 17th, 2005 04:26:44 PM
Seriously i don't think it's such a good idea. It's segregational. Making a clear distinction between your regular superhero comic and your independent horror comic doesn't work for me. I think they should be together in the same category...that being "Comics". If Elk's run is infinitelly superior to Supergirl why not review it right next to it? I'm afraid it might register on some people as "This one's rally good...for an indie comic" and so it doesn't stand a chance of competing with the big ones. There's no real distinction between Elk's run and Supergirl, except the quality of the former is higher than that of the latter so let's keep it like that: Same space, different reviews.
Indie Jones IV by kidkosmic	Aug 17th, 2005 04:51:15 PM
What's wrong with a little Indie affirmative action? It's hard enough to get store owners to notice the smaller titles...why take away the extra notice for the little guys?------http://www.brokenfr ontier.com/headlines/details.p hp?id=406
Yeah, Vale, we don't do it to ghettoize indies. by SleazyG.	Aug 17th, 2005 04:59:21 PM
They're in that section to highlight 'em and grab your attention. We want to make sure people notice the indies instead of getting lost in between reviews of all the X-Books and Batstuff. We're saying "hey, check this out--something you might not have heard of before!" There's no slight intended, we're actually trying to raise their profile. I see where you're coming from, don't get me wrong--it's just that I hope people don't think of it that way.
the ONLY reason to buy Supergirl comics by Calculon	Aug 17th, 2005 05:12:55 PM
...is because of the artwork. Supergirl is possibly the hottest superhero in either DC or Marvel universes, mostly because she combines the Girl Next Door persona with the Hot Blonde With A Smoking Body appearance. That's why you bought your last Supergirl title. Admit it. Any good storytellin' was just icing. It's disappointing that neither the artwork nor the storyline are good in this umpteenth rebirth of Supergirl. I never found the Peter David plotlines particularly intriguing, but the Ed Benes artwork was at least masturbation-worthy. :D
Indie Jones by The Heathen	Aug 17th, 2005 05:26:53 PM
It's great that you guy's are trying to highlight the indies, but I always feel dirty looking at those cigarette butts and coffee stains. If anything, that makes me want to stay clear of that section until last. Main reviews, cheap shots, then indie jones. Nothing against the reviews though. Elk's Run has been one hell of a story so far though. I also think it's a good thing that Speakeasy is going to be publishing. Is it going to be 8 issues long? Hope so.
why are the best reviews in the cheap shots? by fausti	Aug 17th, 2005 05:30:23 PM
Ok, I enjoy reading this column, but why even bother with cheapshots? Why not do full reviews? What is the rhyme or reason that gets a book placed in the cheapshots category?
Sleazy by El Vale	Aug 17th, 2005 05:37:35 PM
I see your point but i'm not sure it's really working for me at least. I think the diferentiation lessens the impact somehow. To me it feels like the indies don't deserve to compete in the same category as the superhero stuff you know? To me it'd have a far more positive impact if they shared the space...it'd be more like "Look at these reviews, they review indies and mainstream alike like it's all the same thing, very cool!" Now that could make a difference
Hey Fausti--about the Cheap Shots by SleazyG.	Aug 17th, 2005 05:38:22 PM
The deal is that sometimes we have a lot to say about a book, and it goes into the main section. The reviews there run anywhere from 500-1200 words and allow for a lot more analysis. The Cheap Shots are just when we have something to say about the title, but it can be summed up pretty quickly and concisely--anywhwere from one sentence to about a paragraph. Truth is, 50 words isn't much (your post, for example, was 32). So if we just have something small or quick or easy to say, it goes down there. How do we decide which books end up in the Cheapies? Same way as the reviews--whatever we feel like talking about. No other qualifications at all.
I don't think the adversary's the real adversary by El Vale	Aug 17th, 2005 05:40:03 PM
I figured this one out MONTHS ago and i think Fables is far smarter than me, so it might be a red herring. On the other hand, it'd be cool if i wasn't a red herring since everything nowadays seems to be one.
I'm so tired about hearing about "indie" comics by Fantomex	Aug 17th, 2005 05:42:21 PM
"Indie" does not mean your comic only sold a few thousand issues through diamond. "Indie" means 10 years ago you would have been trying to get your local comic shop to sell them for $.75. Warren Ellis doesn't do "Indie" books. This column is better than most, but still, a lot of this "indie" stuff I find in my comic shop all the time (granted, I have a really really good comic store). Its the 21st century people, if you're doing an "indie" comic and don't have a full length #1 issue on your website (in color, in .cbr format) I don't even want to hear from you. Get with it.
We used to not segregate the reviews... by Dave_F	Aug 17th, 2005 05:43:51 PM
And while I can absolutely see your point, Vale, anecdotal evidence suggests the indie reviews got less response before we started giving 'em their own section. Same for manga reviews. I'm a bit torn on it, because my heart's with the approach that says "level playing field, mix 'em together." But maybe this is a necessary evil given the reality that folks tend to gloss over indies when they're mixed in with the cape stuff. I wonder...is this our column's own "affirmative action"?
I hear ya, Vale. by SleazyG.	Aug 17th, 2005 05:47:26 PM
Look at it this way, though: let's say you're watching a half-hour TV show with movie reviews, and there's all this big-budget studio stuff, and 20 minutes in they review some indie movie nobody's ever heard of, so everybody uses that time to go to the bathroom or grab a beer from the fridge. Now imagine that, instead, the show said "this week in our Indepent Film Spotlight we're going to tell you about an impressive new debut by XXX". That's the kinda thing we're going for, really. It doesn't mean that lots of indie films aren't just as good as mainstream movies, obviously--it just means they need more help. For example, I'd much rather go see "Hustle and Flow" this weekend than, like, "The Dukes of Hazzard", but one is much more easily reckognized by the mainstream. We're just trying to draw attention to this stuff, not to suggest indies aren't good enough to compete.
Come on, Fantomex... by SleazyG.	Aug 17th, 2005 05:50:28 PM
...you gotta be realistic. Indie creators are usually stretched pretty thin, barely making their rent and buying food when they start out (and sometimes for their entire careers). Not everybody can afford a website and fancy graphics and big fat bandwidth bills. The whole idea is to encourage people to create and develop and hone their art through whatever means necessary and then give it exposure in the hope that it'll grow to be so successful the creators can afford to put some frozen peas and a hot dog in their ramen.
Oh, how do the Indie Bands feed themselves? by Fantomex	Aug 17th, 2005 06:02:42 PM
Indie Bands somehow manage to do exactly that, putting free tracks all over. (off topic, which is more expensive in terms of money and time, a production quality full color comic, of a production quality 3 minute track? i really have no clue). Man, if you're comic is causing you "big fat" bandwidth bills, you've already made it and can take it off the internet. Or use bittorrent. I don't need flashy graphics. its 2005. TWO THOUSAND AND FIVE. this shit is easy. the easiest way to get exposure is to actually let people read your comic. Why aren't there entire online communities dedicated to exactly that? putting the material online and promoting it online. For all the crap people give wizard about being a "gatekeeper" you'd think the indie creators and indie fans would get off their asses. guess I'm guilty of that too.
Comic suggestions by Beaker316	Aug 17th, 2005 06:32:17 PM
Other recommendations: Villains United (mentioned above) The Walking Dead Justice (mentioned above) JSA The Flash (latest arc has been superb) Supreme Power (when it is out on time, which is rarely) New Avengers (mentioned above) Punisher
"The walking dead justice" is great by El Vale	Aug 17th, 2005 06:40:02 PM
Great mixture of zombies and police procedural. Can't recommend it enough.
"I think everyone should draw like Adam Hughes or Travis Charest by Dave_F	Aug 17th, 2005 06:45:25 PM
Both very talented guys, but I've never been really drawn to anything they've...well...drawn. I guess Charest hit his first peak on WILDCATS (was that the Alan Moore run?), but I never read that and now he's off doing the boring Euro-sci-fi stuff for Humanoids. As for Hughes, I think he's too typecast as a babe-fetishist. You literally cannot read any Adam Hughes comic without noticing the tit-centric qualities, so unless he's on a cheesecake book, I can't see the draw. I guess he did rein it in a bit when he did that STAR TREK graphic novel a zillion years back, but I don't think his rep would allow it now. And if he's limited to puff pieces...can we really call him the pinnacle of comic art? It's a little like calling Vargas the king of painting. Ironically, I think my favorite thing Hughes has done was the SUPERMAN/GEN 13 project he worked on exclusively as a writer. Suprisingly good.
Hey gimme a break, only my second post ever and not used to the by Beaker316	Aug 17th, 2005 06:48:54 PM

I only took the barest of ganders at SUPERGIRL #1... by Dave_F	Aug 17th, 2005 06:55:50 PM
And I could only boggle at the fact that DC would put out such a highly visible first issue that was so confusing as to its lead's origin...right at the time when the company's making a huge play to bring in new readers. Just seemed odd.
Fantomex, do you know anybody in indie bands? by SleazyG.	Aug 17th, 2005 07:06:23 PM
Almost all of 'em are in the same position--barely scraping by, living together and splitting rent (shit, some of 'em actually live in their storage unit/rehearsal space), eating generic ramen, etc. They're also usually working as a sound tech at a crappy little club, or as a bartender or a carpenter or a gas station attendant or whatever, just to pay the bills--the band is a side project in their free time. They're doing it cuz they love music or comics, not cuz they're getting paid. As for cost, comics are actually more expensive. You can get a used computer cheap, record on a shitty little four or eight track thingy, and upload it from there. Paper and ink aren't cheap, and neither is getting the binding done, and neither is the scanner you use to get your images on line, and...you can get everything you need to record, produce and release music for two grand if you shop hard enough. Good luck on putting out a monthly comic on that kind of investment. The only cheap way to do comics is to do online comics with software, but that's just not the same thing as a hand-drawn or hand-painted comic, y'know? It's easy to say "but there's all this technology", but you have to understand your average 15-to-30 year old artist or musician can't necessarily afford the equipment, software, or training to use those two items. It's not as easy as you think if you can't get to the resources.
MrFantastico, I hate to say it, but... by Dave_F	Aug 17th, 2005 07:07:36 PM
I'd almost advise sticking with old favorites. Seems like your tastes were formed in an era pretty close to mine, and I suspect you're going to find most of the stuff from the Big Two to be alienating these days. I do think Heywood had some pretty good suggestions if you want to make a go of it, though ('cept for SUPERMAN/BATMAN - that one's bilge water with art that happens to give it an attractive, oily sheen). Those titles are mostly very well crafted, if not particular faves of mine, and might just hook you if the modern pacing isn't too much of a turn-off. But the glossy paper ain't going anywhere and neither are the 3 buck price points. **** Mostly, though, I'd suggest looking to creator-owned or creator-driven stuff, the best place to find consistency and avoid the inevitable heartbreak of superhero books that start good and turn shitty. BONE, SANDMAN, WALKING DEAD, TOP TEN, CONCRETE, SIN CITY, HELLBOY, DEEP SLEEPER, LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, FABLES, QUEEN & COUNTRY...stuff like that. Only superhero books I can truly recommend these days are the oddballs like SHE-HULK and GOTHAM CENTRAL and RUNAWAYS. Other books have their moments, but overall the quality's really mercurial.
The only good Supergirl was Linda Danvers by Voice O. Reason	Aug 17th, 2005 07:19:08 PM
This new series is AWEFUL. Kara was raised on Krypton, but acts and talks like a contemporary human female, complete with goofy fashion sense and a need to distance herself from her only living relative (which makes NO SENSE).
"Characters that didn by astronato	Aug 17th, 2005 07:33:37 PM
Dead characters don't make money (until being brought back) and it annoys (or angers) that characters fans. Those are reasons enough for bringing characters back. The reviewer claims to be a Superman fan but dislikes Kara (kinda lame AND kinda cool to have around, huh?), and thinks most of the Superman books aren't interesting. I give the reviewer credit for being honest but he or she doesn't sound like much of a Superman fan to me. Did you see the "retro Flash Gordon" depiction of Krypton in the WB Superman cartoon a few years back? It looked beautiful to me. That cartoon (not the new one)also showed that even Krypto can be a credible part of the Superman mythos if done right. The complaint about Kara seems to me to be much the same as the complaints I've heard about Superman. "He's a goody two shoes.", "He is too bland.", "He's a boy scout." Superman is never going to grow adamantium claws out of his hands and slash people up. He's never going to be a brooding dark avenger like Batman, that is not his gig and that's not Supergirl's gig either. Kal-El and Kara are essentially gods with supreme power who choose not to rule the world but to save it. They have virtue. Hell if I had x-vision I'd be the only white guy at the Puerto Rican day parade having the time of my life walking behind all the latinas in their Corona emblazoned short shorts. Maybe Superman does that off panel but it wouldn't be appropriate in panel. How many conflicted anti-heroes does the comic book world need anyway? In the golden age uncomplicated heroes were the norm but in 2005 it makes Superman and Supergirl almost unique. The art wasn't the best but I am grateful DC has brought Kara back. I am going to be buying this book no matter who draws it and no matter who writes it. God forbid the sales for this book don't live up to expectations or DC will turn her into a drunk driver, have her go mad and kill lots of people before being offed again in the name of "mature","interesting" and "epic" storytelling. I'm not expecting Watchmen, I just want Supergirl to save the day, do the right thing and have fun reading about it. To each their own.
So then, what IS your favorite cheese then moviemack? by WONKABAR	Aug 17th, 2005 08:02:06 PM
huh?
I Think Indie Jones Has The Cigarette Butts & Coffee Stains ... by Buzz Maverik	Aug 17th, 2005 08:30:17 PM
... to show that indie creators and fans are happenin' hepcat hipsters who do edgy things like smoke cigarettes and drink coffee. As opposed to the God fearing, All American Sugar Cinnomon superhero fans who chew bubble gum and drink Slurpees. Actually, superhero fans are probably more likely to drink Monster. What have they got for those of us who savor a Cohiba Double Corona and the sublime qualities of Herradura Tequila while kicking back on the deck blasting skeet with a shotgun handcrafted by the descenents of James Purdy? It's true, I do like to grow a Soul patch, put on my Che-beret and either a Nehru or Mao shirt, or perhaps even a black turtleneck, play some bongos while listening to be bop and reading an indie comic that does not suck.
great reviews by Darth Kal-El	Aug 17th, 2005 08:33:33 PM
im diggin cap a lot! i had a friend recently loan me issue 8 and now im looking for the trade to the 1st seven.great art and pretty cool story.didnt read hush so dont really care if hes ripping it off.liked 100 bullets but i agree with an above poster that the plot twists and turns are getting out of hand.i plan to go back and reread all the trades in one sitting(or a few) when its all done and see how it looks as one big tapestry. as for supergirl i missed it and it was sold out at the store i go to but it sounds like i didnt miss much.oh well.
Superhero wouldn't know good comic art if it walked up and t by cookylamoo	Aug 17th, 2005 09:03:59 PM
I'm not a big Loeb fan, but Supergirl #1 was fine with me. Better than average art, story moved along. Plus it had Powergirl, always a double plus.
America Cheese is Bland and Tasteless except for Limberger by cookylamoo	Aug 17th, 2005 09:05:23 PM
Which is made in Wisconsin and smells like shit.
Supergirl by Prof C	Aug 17th, 2005 09:48:05 PM
Supergirl was really bad in both story and art. The pacing of the story was jerky and didn't flow. The character's bodies were rarely, if ever, consistent. And worst of all, before I could let my own daughter read it, I had to take a marker and change "Hell" to "Heck" and redact two, count 'em two, "Dammit"s. A Supergirl comic that parents can't give to their little girls. That's some smart marketing.
hey mrfantastico by blackthought	Aug 17th, 2005 11:55:00 PM
i'd throw out invincible and astro city for more recommendations...and um...CATMAN!...what you mean he doesn't have his own book yet? arrrrghhh
Alright, instead of talking about how shitty SUPERGIRL is, let&# by Dave_F	Aug 18th, 2005 12:15:32 AM
Any takers? C'mon, y'all, gimme something to believe in...
Dave by blackthought	Aug 18th, 2005 12:27:36 AM
you can believe that this column will always feature words and stuff...does that help any? and concrete would make for an interesting big-screen adaptation.
Fantomex is right... by Joshua Fialkov	Aug 18th, 2005 12:28:55 AM
Here's a PDF of Issue 1 of Elk's Run. http://tinyurl.com/949kw If you guys dig it, stop by our website at http://www.hoarseandbuggy.com and order the rest (or, order the bumper from Speakeasy in Previews Now!) Thanks for all the kind words on the books folks, hope some more of ya check it out.
Well if I had the talent of Hughes and Charest I would be making by Doc_Strange	Aug 18th, 2005 12:34:31 AM
Hughes is limited to doing pricey sketches at conventions as well as covers for various books. I wish he would do a mini or something. But the man has talent. Check out his work on Gen 13 Ordinary Heroes. He captures humanity like no one I know plus he draws women the best, in my opinion. As for Travis Charest, he has been spending like the past 4-5 years doing a european graphic novel. The Metabarons or something. Anyway, he is still alive, just slow as hell.
I'm on board for buying bad comics starring bland characters by El Vale	Aug 18th, 2005 12:45:56 AM
I'm also on board for putting my money on the floor, shitting on it and then lighting the whole thing on fire. Fun.
so vale... by blackthought	Aug 18th, 2005 12:54:57 AM
you bought supergirl too?
Well, Hughes was rumored to be working on ALL-STAR WONDER WOMAN. by Dave_F	Aug 18th, 2005 01:02:03 AM
Surely a dream for many, but I'm not particularly wild about it because, oddly enough, the overly sexualized Wonder Woman he draws isn't what I want from that character. He had some nice WONDER WOMAN covers on occasion, but a few too many from the "come hither" school, y'know? Rucka's run, for all that it's felt ponderous when I've looked in on it, has at least broken from that aspect of the character for the most part. I suspect Hughes'll reinstate it, though. He's too obvious for the ALL-STAR WW for them not to use him. At least his cheesecake's from the cute Gil Elvgren school, though, and obviously well-crafted. Worthy of the best-known female superhero? No. But a far sight from our worst-case scenario, Greg Horn. Remember those ELEKTRA cover he did, half of 'em screaming out "rape fantasy"? Check it: http://tinyurl.com/ak2es * http://tinyurl.com/bgdw2 * http://tinyurl.com/7h4xe *** http://tinyurl.com/99fpg
Here's a question for Dave and the others by El Vale	Aug 18th, 2005 01:48:37 AM
Does growing up reading superhero comics in the, what, 70s, early 80s make you close minded? Seems to be the concensus around @$$hole central that since DC heroes are currently getting ass raped and mind wiped and Marvel heroes do nothing but sit and talk all issue long, then the medium is a huge dissapointment. I remember this review i read from some idiot who said he'd founded AICN comics but he'd actually quit reading comics just because superheros had lost the sense of wonder and escapism they used to have and they didn't make him feel like an 8 year old again. I just couldn't wrap myself around that notion, i mean quitting comics because a handful of titles you grew up reading didn't make you feel like they did all those years ago?! Quitting an entire fucking ARTFORM with millions upon millions upon millions of titles all over the goddamn world just because a handful of superhero titles are too "dark" now? I seriously don't understand it. It's so close minded. I grew up reading Tintin and Asterix. Both of them are long gone and there's not a single comic i've recently read that even half resembles what those were like. But there's so much good stuff out there in every shape and size, genre, style and form of execution, and sooo much stuff i haven't discovered...how could i be dissapointed with comics?
Blackthought by El Vale	Aug 18th, 2005 01:53:28 AM
Not even if i could, my man, not even if i could.
Supergirls by Lukecash	Aug 18th, 2005 02:29:15 AM
Strange thing, Loeb is treating her like a teenage girl... And a LOT of Teenaged girls don't want to hand around overprotective family. And the reason why this Power Girl/Supergirl story? Simple. Not everyone reads JSA classified. Loeb is handling the PG question from Supergirls viewpoint. And you want to know what? Loeb has brought back a lot of the ingrediants old time fans missed. Krypto, Supergirl, ect. ect. It wasn't a great first issue, but it was a good one. Oh.. And it Aint Azreal people...its Cluemasters
Superheroes HAVE lost their sense of wonder and escapism. by Dave_F	Aug 18th, 2005 03:39:50 AM
Can anyone possibly feel that these elements are prevalent now? That DC's current zeitgeist is anything but the heroes who are merely survivores? I don't consider losing kinship with this any stranger than walking away from, say, THE SIMPSONS, when it started losing losing the satirical genius that defined it during its glory days. And is anyone busting fandom's balls for saying the new "Buzz Bunny" looks like a shitty crapping-on of the old Looney Tunes characters? Nope. But for my own part, I'm not willing to let the Big Two define the medium, which is why I'm reviewing more stuff like CONCRETE and CROMARTIE HIGH SCHOOL lately, and less superhero stuff. But I'm not excluding anything either. I think it was just last week I talked up Warren Ellis's JLA: CLASSIFIED first issue. And even looking at this latest column, I see old-schooler like Prof Challenger offering up fair appraisels to indy stuff and cozying up to more recent superhero fare like BREACH. And then there's old-school Ambush Bug talking up VILLAINS UNITED and NEW WARRIORS. I think you could characterize a general reticence towards some of Marvel and DC's current work from us, but outright close-mindedness? I don't think so. I will say this, Vale: I think that for any number of reasons, many Americans do look to comics for one very specific thing - superheroes - and it's not entirely strange for them to judge the medium based on that. After all, superheroes have woven through American comics since the beginning, being the one genre that truly sprung from the medium. And superheroes was also the genre that seemed to persist when comic sales began to ebb in the '70s, and so became the foundation for the direct market. Is it so odd that they'd come to represent the industry after a few decades of propping up the country's central means of comic distribution and generally keeping the medium alive here? I've often said it's an insular, incestuous system, but it is what it is and the net effect is that comic shop distribution has only cemented the tie between the medium and superheroes for Americans. We judge what we know and what we know for the medium isn't particularly cosmopolitan. ***** There's an interesting sidebar to your question, by the way. Comic critic Paul O'Brien, a sharp guy who writes primarily about X-Men books at X-Axis and also contributes articles at Ninth Art, just recently lamented the boring state of the mainstream: http://tinyurl.com/8e37a And Paul seems to represent some of what you're talking about, Vale. He's obviously a smart, well-rounded guy, and he's got plenty of respect within the critical community, it's just that, in his own words: "Like a lot of more mainstream comics fans, I'm here primarily because I'm a genre fan rather than because of a devout love of the theoretical possibilities of the medium." Check out his article, and then, if you've got a bit of intestinal fortitude, check out the firestorm of responses it prompted when linked to over at Fanboy Rampage: http://tinyurl.com/amsjr Features posts from the likes of ex-COMICS JOURNAL editor Tom Spurgeon and even Kurt Busiek. Interesting reading.
And on a more upbeat note: the @$$hole review I'm most secon by Dave_F	Aug 18th, 2005 04:12:56 AM
Sure, he's off his rocker about CAPTAIN AMERICA, but let's all be reconciled in the glory of Alan Moore for a moment, shall we? Humphrey even nailed the minor deficiencies of THE FORTY-NINERS, deficiencies that he rightly notes as paling beside the general awesomeness of this book. I've loved many an Alan Moore book, but there's a sort of pure storytelling enjoyment I get out of the TOP TEN stuff, as it's devoid of Moore's sometimes clinical approach to structure and generally seems "warmer" than his other works (even with a number of very dark moments). If Moore truly pulls out of mainstream comics as he's been saying, then TOP TEN will be the book that, like Dorothy said to the Scarecrow, "...I think I'll miss most of all." The series is a love letter to the superhero genre and also, it seems, to diversity in lifestyles and personalities. The latter, more than all the little nods and inside references, is what I love about the book. When it comes to the insider stuff, though, my favorite element of the FORTY-NINERS was the revelation that the city's founders were basically all the old comic strip characters. For a fan of classic comic strips like me, it was a real kick to see glimpses of Popeye, Jiggs, the Yellow Kid, and all those other seminally strange and wonderful characters of early 20th century cartooning.
Open minded, but expects quality. by SpikeTBB	Aug 18th, 2005 07:50:06 AM
There are a few titles I've bought consistently. I've got every issue of Hellblazer and plan to stick with it to the end, which i hope is no where in sight. I also enjoy the grittier, more realistic or even fatalistic take on the genre. But I also like quality and respect for the core personality of the established characters. Restructuring them so they have only superficial characteristics that stay the same needs to be justified instead of done just cause you can do it. When Neal Adams restructured the Batman title in the 70
Sleazy G is an idiot by Blok Narpin	Aug 18th, 2005 08:41:13 AM
Supergirl #1 was awesome.
SUPERGIRL #1 as barometer of taste, Blok? by Dave_F	Aug 18th, 2005 11:11:16 AM
It's such an obscenely crass idea I almost have to respect it.
Astronauto, I DO love Superman as a character...I just don't by superhero	Aug 18th, 2005 11:29:38 AM
Fistly, I am a HUGE Superman fan but much like Quentin Tarantino wrote in Kill Bill Vol. 2 I
The binding ? by Fantomex	Aug 18th, 2005 11:31:31 AM
Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Why are they paying to print and bind a comic they should be putting online? We have to break down the entire way people think about this medium. And you should be coloring the comic on the computer anyway. Aside from a cheap computer and a scanner (and a pirated copy of photoshop, for shame), I don't see what other investment there is other than your time (which I admit would be considerable). Much less than the $2,000 you state for a band. And the Indie bands I know have real jobs, there problem isn't money, its the huge time investment, there just aren't enough hours in the week. Anyway, the entry cost for comics is nil, we should be flooded with indie comics online. It'll happen eventually.
I grew up reading comics, starting in 1978. by Homer Sexual	Aug 18th, 2005 11:52:25 AM
And, honestly, I have to say "whatever" to the whole "comics have lost their escapism and sense of wonder." There are plenty of escapist comics out there. And I am not totally sure what "sense of wonder" means. If it means saying "Wow" because of some cool scene, then I think that still exists. Then, as now, there were a lot of crappy comics and some good ones. And back in the day, Vertigo-esque comics didn't even exist. Mark that as a change for the better. IMO, the biggest problem with the "Big 2" is not the "dark" thing. The problem is that the pendulum has swung too far. Back in the day, creators weren't allowed to even try and explore new directions, mature themes, etc. But now, the "top" creators are allowed to put out self-indulgent wankfests. Don't you think that, for example, Bendis would be a lot better with an editor? RE: Concrete. The concept just doesn't appeal to me.
Indie comics for free???? What???? by superhero	Aug 18th, 2005 12:02:02 PM
So you guys all believe that, what, indie comics should be free on the internet? Is that what I
Krypto was last seen in Teen Titans #26 right? by The Heathen	Aug 18th, 2005 12:15:06 PM
He growled at Superboy and then walked away. That's about all I need of Krypto for the next ten years, but I have a feeling he won't make it through the Crisis. : ( ** Pretty cool for Joshua Fialkov to chime in here. Elk's Run really is good. I must now continue to read some superhero books while chewing my Lightning Lebron Lemonade flavored bubble gum and finish my Mountain Dew slurpee. Ahhhh. ** Where my cog smooches at? Last week was slow and I don't find Supergirl interesting enough to bitch about all week. Maybe the possibility of her death so soon again is something to speculate on. Would DC really do it?
Re: superhero by The Heathen	Aug 18th, 2005 12:19:10 PM
I don't like reading comics on my computer screen either, I'm with you there. And that is kinda awesome that Kirkman does his creator owned books for free. Hope he banked on selling the rights to Invivcible. He deserves it.
Sense of Wonder and Escapism. by Shigeru	Aug 18th, 2005 12:20:29 PM
hooboy. Okay here we go. Dave, from the sound of it, you were a kid in the 70's and early 80's...what many 30 something fanboys consider the glory days of comics. I was born in 1980. Started reading comics...who knows... around 8 years old? 1988. When I was 10 that magical decade called the 90's happened. Which produced almost ZILCH in the way of superhero comics like they were done pre-1986. So MY childhood sense of Wonder and Escapism?? Other than some random stuff when I was real little, it was freaking shitty IMAGE COMICS. And I believe that's what this is all about: nostalgia. You didn't have nintendo or xbox, you had Comic Books in the 70s. You devoured them with abandon, eating up superheroes that took your little kid mind away to wonderful places. And then your grandfather died, a kid at school told you what a BJ was, you grew pubes, a girl stuck her hand down your pants. The world changed for you. Am I making any sense here? I've completely lost my train of thought. Yes the product has evolved, but the glasses through which we view this said product have changed more. In that oversized Alex Ross JLA one-shot starring Martian Manhunter...forgot the name... but when Superman saves the girl attempting to kill herself by falling off a bridge. Wonder and Escapism more than anything I can think of from growing up.
I read somewhere that the big plan might be to off Power Girl... by superhero	Aug 18th, 2005 12:21:26 PM
Which, in my opinion, would suck. I like Power Girl...big boobies and all...
I remember when I found out what a BJ was by The Heathen	Aug 18th, 2005 12:26:15 PM
it blew my freaking mind! I was reading that OVERsized Dini & Ross one shot at a bookstore last week and was embarassed because I realized it looked like I was holding a big coloring book in my lap, but I still dug what you said and meant Shigeru. Btw, I'm trying to find out what the theater in Maine's name was. I can't find the brochure that I took and I'm going insane trying to remember. I'm not sure if it was Chunkys, but it could be.
Four Years To Do A Graphic Novel! Woo Hoo! I Get To Be A Comic by Buzz Maverik	Aug 18th, 2005 12:27:32 PM
Like every single one of you, I draw. I draw fine. I draw okay. If I'm doodlin', people say, "Way cool, Buzz." I'm like a guy who was a great high school baseball player, an okay college player and couldn't even make a farm league try out. Good amateur, shitty professional. But I've always known that I could draw at a professional level, it would just take me a ridiculous amount of time. But if this Travis clown is taking four years, I could do a decent graphic novel in two or even one or even six months! I'm in, bay-bee, I'm in. Wonder how he's making a living. Are his parents supporting him? Is he bussing tables at Lenny's?
That would suck by The Heathen	Aug 18th, 2005 12:29:40 PM
I like Power Girl too
Sleazy G Is Definitely Not An Idiot, Blok. by Buzz Maverik	Aug 18th, 2005 12:37:51 PM
We know, we've had him tested. We had our suspicions about the boy all along, but then he took all the cognac in the bar at the @$$hole clubhouse, poured it all over himself and said he was going to play Buddhist monk protesting the Viet Nam war. The others didn't think much of it, but I was concerned. That was damned fine cognac and worse, he was going to use my lighter and I needed a smoke. I took him to my family physician, Dr. Shatterhand. After putting Sleazy through a variety of tests, some of which are frowned upon by the AMA and ASPCA, it was determined that Sleazy was of normal intelligence but has what is known as Rampaging, Out of Control Thyroidism. So, every week or so, we chip in, call Le Casa De Escorts and have a couple of chicks sent over for him. He seems to be doing okay. I'm not even going into how we found out that Superhero DOES know good comic book art.
Someone on John Byrne's messageboard posed a good theory abo by superhero	Aug 18th, 2005 12:40:31 PM
Basically saying that maybe the current Earth was the pre-crisis Earth 2 all along. Apparently this was a post from someone on Geoff John's board: superman was married to lois... batman and catwoman were a couple...and then batman retired... replaced by...an adult robin... powergirl was superman's cousin... seem familiar?? To which this poster said: Is the current DCU really Earth-2 as we knew it prior to Crisis? Has the DCU over the past 20 years become the Earth-2 equivalent to JB's Generations universe? Will Infinite Crisis (IC) leave us with a "current continuity" DCU that emerges as the "old" Earth-2, with Dick Grayson taking on the mantle of the Bat, while the "old" Earth-1 re-emerging as the place where stories can be told within the framework of pre-Crisis (COIE) continuity? Interesting theories at least. Has the current DCU really been Earth-2 all along?
Yeah, the BJ was the greatest discovery EVER... by superhero	Aug 18th, 2005 12:44:02 PM
That certainly blew my mind...as well as...errrr...other parts of my anatomy...sorry, cheap joke, couldn't resist... :O)
Superhero--that Infinite Crisis theory: by Shigeru	Aug 18th, 2005 12:53:20 PM
Let's hope that't not it. Because I am a non-DC fan that was drawn into DC because of all this hoopla (aka TARGET AUDIENCE) and is enjoying it immensily, and I didn't comprehend a single fucking word of that theory. (well almost) Sounds kinda like 'Peter Parker was really the spider-clone all along' territory...
The REAL revelation of IC! by Shigeru	Aug 18th, 2005 12:57:20 PM
Whether or not Sue Dibney got it in the pooper.
Sense of wonder and online indie comics by Ambush Bug	Aug 18th, 2005 01:17:59 PM
Homer Sexual writes, "And, honestly, I have to say "whatever" to the whole "comics have lost their escapism and sense of wonder." ***I agree that comics still have their sense of wonder, but I think the point people are making is that the comic properties that used to have that sense of wonder have been grounded and buried under so much reality that they have lost what made them special in the first place. I'm talking about the DCU in particular (but have to go on record to say that I am enjoying IDENTITY CRISIS and all of its fallout). It's kind of like in STAR WARS when Jedi's were looked at as this mythical wondorous sect of warriors (that was cool and you didn't ask why, it was just fuckin' cool), then they went ahead and explained it all away in THE PHANTOM MENACE with all of the science gobbity-gook and that mythic status was deconstructed and that diminished it's wonderous impact. That's the reason why I always liked Star Wars over Star Trek anyway (and I don't want to start that tedious debate here, but for me, the appeal of Star Wars over Trek was always the mythic aspects of the movies over the scientific explanation for everything mindset of Trek). *************And as for the online indie comics debate: I see no way these guys are going to find profit by posting their stuff online for free. It's a "Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?" scenario. It just doesn't make business sense. What kind of profit are you going to see if people have the choice of buying a $3.95 comic or just clicking on it for free. I know the choice I would make and I love reading comics in the physical world. Bottom line is that printing books make more money for the creator. People still buy comics and hold them and read them and polybag them and put them away in long boxes. It may not be as appealing for the X-Box generation, but I think there is still a big enough appeal for it to be profitable. Most of the indies that have their own websites have two or three page previews, which I think is enogh to tempt or dissuade a reader whether or not they want to pick up the entire thing.
hey guys by Darth Kal-El	Aug 18th, 2005 01:21:49 PM
the t-800 contest winner talkback is hilarious!
ambus bug.. by SpikeTBB	Aug 18th, 2005 01:45:25 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head. I would just like to add that some "explaining" of the characters would be welcome exploration of them if the explanation did not diminish them so much. I also loved IdC, especially Deathstroke's characterization. But too often they give us explanation and back story, or humanize them by making them too full of self doubt, weakness or just plain dim witted. The best example that comes to my mind off the top of my head is a non-comic book character. Spike on Buffy. It was fine to make him good and to redeem him. But they did not have to rewrite his back story and take away his cool, insightful instincts and fighting power in the past and present to achieve that ends. I think that is why IC, Justice and Villains United are like water in the Sahara. They treat the characters as beings with power and brains.
No, you aren't understanding it right. by Fantomex	Aug 18th, 2005 01:46:06 PM
Maybe I wasn't being clear. Actually I was being pretty clear. Just the first issue is all I need. If you can't blow me away with issue #1 don't worry about putting issues #2-#6 online, I won't read even them for free. Well maybe but you get the idea. When musicians realized they would never make it with the radio gatekeepers, they bypassed them. I can't tell you how many bands you'd never heard of 3 years ago are now being sold at Tower Records, and it isn't because of mainstream radio. Its college radio and the internet. No offense to reviewers, but I read reviews more for a "what was his take on this" or "how did he interpret that", I'm not looking for suggestions on what to read anymore. I gave it an honest try, didn't work. Asking me to buy a comic I've never read is like asking me to buy an album I'v never heard. It just isn't going to happen. This isn't even an indie thing for me anymore. Next time Grant Morrison writes a JLA arc, I'll be reading at least the entire 1st issue before purchasing. If comics can't figure out this whole "new media" thing, they'll never break the glass ceiling of geekdom. I know some of you are okay with that, but it means dramatically fewer good comics I buy a month.
Sounds like everybody here needs to read "Reinventing Comics" by by Shigeru	Aug 18th, 2005 02:14:43 PM
Goes into a lot of the issues the 'net and new media in general bring to the medium of comics. Good stuff. Hell read Understanding Comics while you are at it too.
Scott McCloud by Ambush Bug	Aug 18th, 2005 02:20:03 PM
A huge fan of his work. Good suggestion Shigeru. Haven't read REINVENTING COMICS, but UNDERSTANDING COMICS is a must read for anyone who picks up a comic book. To me there is no other book out there that explains the medium in such an entertaining and educational way.
Scott McCloud by Fantomex	Aug 18th, 2005 02:37:19 PM
Reinventing Comics was good, but it geared more to comic strips. That, btw, is an exmaple of a medium thats "getting it". I remember the last time I read the funny pages in a newspaper. Not only was it awful but no less than 5 of the strips were overtly political. This is on the comics page. Online comics have completely overshadowed the traditional medium in terms of quality. However that doesn't mean the same system applies to regular comic books. One of the reasons online comic-strips do so well is that you can do strips on ultra-specific topics, more or less inside jokes, that just wouldn't work in newspapers.
What's a BJ? by El Vale	Aug 18th, 2005 03:15:09 PM
Travis Charest can take all the time he wants to draw his Metabarons book i mean have you seen this stuff?! Charest grew from a Jim Lee clone to one of the most unique and talented artists working today and he can take his fucking time. It's how it works in Europe, they don't make monthly comics, they make "albums" and it generally takes the artists a good while. Moebius never was a monthly artist, neither was Bilal.
Holy hell.... by Shigeru	Aug 18th, 2005 03:19:28 PM
check out this pic. My brain exploded. http://tinyurl.com/a4gue
Shigeru's brain + the League of the most Extraordinary Gentl by Gus Nukem	Aug 18th, 2005 03:59:16 PM
indeed. I see it and raise. (ha ha ha! ) http://tinyurl.com/cu8ox * Ripped off of Rich Johnston's LITG column : http://tinyurl.com/bn4pb ** PS I have some problems with my PC, so bask in your pseudo-ultimacy El Vale and blackthought. The true master of finality will return and claim his mantle of Lasthood ... for good.
yo I can't see either of those links man by Shigeru	Aug 18th, 2005 04:29:49 PM
what's up?
Don't know how Travis makes his money by Doc_Strange	Aug 18th, 2005 05:37:01 PM
But my guess is they're paying him out the ass for a four year graphic novel. Guy could make millions if he wanted to.
One more thing on Travis by Doc_Strange	Aug 18th, 2005 05:40:32 PM
I totally agree the man isn't made for a monthly comic. But he is probably the best artist on anything right now. His stuff continually blows me away. He's kind of like Drew Struzan but instead of posters, does comics. I just wish he would put stuff out more regularly. A 50 page graphic novel every 6-8 months would rock.
Comics these days by kuryakin	Aug 18th, 2005 06:01:51 PM
They just aren't simple enough for my brain to handle. I'm not a stupid guy by any means but everything these days is so damn convoluted. 100 Bullets - every issue has some great hardboiled writing, dialogue so smart that you know the guys who wrote it are high-fiving themselves - yet I have no fucking clue what's going on. It's like when Americans explain the rules of American football to me. My eyes glaze over. This (the comics thing I mean) could be due to comics getting more contrived or then again it could be due to me buying too many comics and just losing track. Seriously, I pick up most of the Bat-books when they come out - I have no idea which story is in which book anymore. I know there is one storyline I don't like much but I'm fucked if I can remember which book it's in. (Don't even suggest reading in the shop. I hate those in-the-way shitheads)So I buy them all. As far as modern heroes go - stop trying to make them realistic. These are people who seem to sit around in their costumes ALL THE TIME. Remember that episode of JLU where it's Superman's birthday and Batman and Wonder Woman turn up at his wacky ice pad in the Bat Jet in costume; and Wonder Woman is carrying a gift, all wrapped up , while Batman just brings him cash? Fucking hilarious. That's the way this shit should be. The lack of realism doesn't bother me cos they aren't TRYING to be realistic. When the introduce this "gritty" shit to the comics, you immediately question it. Why DO they sit around in the Hub all costumed up? Why DO the same villains keep coming back again and again and again without someone getting tired and pulling a Wonder Woman style neck snap on the irritating bastards? Please just let us suspend disbelief and enjoy a decent fucking comic.
And speaking of questioning realism by kuryakin	Aug 18th, 2005 06:08:15 PM
This latest issue of Ultimate XMen where Polaris gets locked up with Magneto. Apart from the fact that the prudish old Ultimates wouldn't lock up a teenage girl with a much older man in the first place - Magneto's cage has one bed and a chess table. Where does he poop? Seriously, he's in a glass cage hanging from some string. There's no plumbing, or any ventilation for that matter. Is there a hole in the floor of that big box? It must fall a hell of a long way. I like to poo while reading comics so this is a subject close to my heart.
superhero by astronato	Aug 18th, 2005 06:47:58 PM
First off, if I cast dispersions on the status of your Superman fanaticism, I apologize. Secondly, I am not defending the new Supergirl comic but Supergirl and the other elements of the Superman mythos that you are calling lame. I hadn't been buying superhero comics since the early 90's until I was shopping in a Waldens bookstore and saw that another character deemed "lame", Hal Jordan was being brought back in the Rebirth mini series. So please forgive me if my pent up fanboy anger got the best of me in my previous post. I am sure you know much more about Superman than I do, I am only now catching up with the events of the past 15 years but already I am buying 18 books regularly and a good portion of them are from DC. I am digging some of the Superman books and the friction between DC's holy trinity. You asked if I thought that bringing back elements that made Superman a joke is a good idea. Was Supergirl the reason that Superman was considered a joke or was it the more innocent story telling of the time? I say it is the latter. When sales are down, don't fire the characters, fire the writer or the editor. Since returning to comic books the writer I am liking the most is Geoff Johns. He seems to have a way of taking discarded "uncool" characters and elements and making them contemporary and credible. Villains United kicks ass and it is full of B or C team level characters. Gail Simone found a way to make them work. You mentioned Krypto having nothing to do but hang around the Kent family farm. Well that's all I want him to do. It just a nice touch in my opinion. Superman having a pet makes him as identifiable to me as any flying alien in his pajamas with laser beam eyes could. I don't mean this as an insult but I think sometimes people who have been reading comics for a long time are jaded. What new things are you expecting Supergirl or Superman or any superhero to do? There are only so many stories in the universe and they are retold over and over again in every medium. Superhero comics books are full of cliches, even deconstructing superheroes is a cliche. As high an art form as sequential art has been raised, Alan Moore still ain't Gore Vidal. Complaining about cliches or retreaded stories in superhero comics seems akin to complaining that the margaritas aren't being brought fast enough to the kiddie pool your wading in. Are there new stories to be told in the world of superheroes? I hope so but until that happens I am ok with the cliche of the hero vs the villain. I like it. As for the new Supergirl comic book, it is still only issue one. I am not sure how much character depth can be developed in one or two issues and I think DC is being purposely vague about Kara's back story because it is part of the unveiling of Powergirl's formerly (still) vague back story. Yeah, the art isn't great and story isn't a masterpiece but perhaps the book will improve .........and I appreciate the heads up on the Superman Adventures and S.T.A.R.S and S.T.R.I.P.E. books, I will try to track them down. Let the comic book snobs laugh all they want, I am buying this book because I like the concept of Supergirl and Kara the character.
All this and add to the fact that poorly drawn books go for thre by Doc_Strange	Aug 18th, 2005 07:37:48 PM
I'm sorry I'm not about to buy a book drawn by a wannabe manga style hack. Seems like everyone's trying to jump onboard the japanese bandwagon yet none of them even know the first thing about manga, shit.
And is there a toilet in the Fortress of Solitude? by kuryakin	Aug 18th, 2005 09:53:26 PM
And what is Superman's reading material? Not the Ikea catalogue clearly, as evidenced by the lack of rugs. I feel sorry for the Flash - by the time he poos, he's already wiped. You should enjoy your poo, Wally. And Barbara Gordon - I think she is the sexiest comics lady around as written by Gail Simone. But she has to have all kinds of pooping problems. See - I've taken it too far now
Hey astronauto I agree with some of what you say but... by superhero	Aug 18th, 2005 09:59:50 PM
Did you read my last post? I agree that characters themselves aren't necessarily the problem but,yes, there are some Superman conventions that I see as being, pardon my over-use of the term, lame. Krypto being one of them. To answer your question, yes to a certain extent Superman's popularity suffered because he was saddled with silly conventions like Krypto and 10 different types of Kryptonite. The newer Superman books were better because they pared down Supes to his bare essentials and "humanized" him. That's why the first two Superman films were great. They addressed the CHARACTER inside without sacrificing what made him "super". You don't think that people can identify at all with an alien that fires laser beams from his eyes? Then how do ANY comic fans identify with ANY superheroes? I'm glad that you like Krypto sitting around on a farm being useless but I like my supporting cast to have some reason for being around besides being a neat prop to have pop in and out every once in a while. And using the age old excuse for bad writing that these characters have been around forever and what new stories are there to tell seems to defeat your own argument about good writers. You're saying that these characters are overused and might have nothing "original" to say but in the same breath you say that a good writer would be able to do something great with them. So which is it? You can't have both. I may have been reading comics since I was a wee lad but I still have faith in the characters themselves and their ability to be used compellingly, humourously and intelligently. You seem to be making the argument that just because a character has been around for ages they might not have anything fresh to offer longtime readers...well I disagree and I stated in my post that there were some great Superman stories that have been told in recent years which is why I'll trash a bad one when it comes around. Oh, and this "new" Kara has had more than one or two issues to develop. She had several in the Superman/Batman book and her development went NOWHERE. Just because no one knows about her past doesn't mean she can't have some depth...yeeeshhh.
fables 40 was good... by v1cious	Aug 18th, 2005 10:33:13 PM
but i don't know, i was expecting the Adversary to be something a little more out of left field. the was they explained it was great though. definitely made it work.
"Strange thing, Loeb is treating her like a teenage girl... And by Voice O. Reason	Aug 19th, 2005 12:16:30 AM
Are you on crack? From her perspective, she just saw the rest of her family die in a planet wide catestrophy! Now she's going to intenionally alienate herself from her only living relative while she trapped on a strange planet? Bullshit. Complete and total bullshit.
oh by blackthought	Aug 19th, 2005 01:36:06 AM
villians united...such a nice treat...is simone single? if not i'd like to marry her for making catman such a cool mo'fo and ragdoll is a hoot...anyway runaways hardcover...yummy
Help by El Vale	Aug 19th, 2005 02:55:11 AM
Can anyone tell me who the second girl is so i can track her down and ask her to marry me? http://tinyurl.com/75xvv
kuryakin by Shigeru	Aug 19th, 2005 07:40:09 AM
it's all Brian Michael Bendis' fault.
Vale by Shigeru	Aug 19th, 2005 07:43:16 AM
I believe her name is "Hot-as-shit-emo-comics-lady" and too late, she is my girlfriend.
El Vale / Shigeru / Dave_F by Gus Nukem	Aug 19th, 2005 11:09:53 AM
El Vale, not only I know who your 'girl' is, but I found a page with her bio and contact information. Behave! http://tinyurl.com/an37v * Shigeru, my previous links seem to work. Are you sure you can't use them ? -- Anyway, it was this I was talking about. http://images. comicbookresources.com /litg/ moorekirby.jpg (mind the spaces) * Moebius, Miyazaki, Moore and Kirby: human sequential art can't get better than that, can it ? *** Dave, you've mentioned that Rich Johnston frequents the AICN comics talkbacks, or not ? What's is his nickname ?
Green Lantern #3, Girls #4, Outsiders #27 by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 12:23:39 PM
Well Hal finally said the Green Lantern's oath and I thoght it kicked ass. I suggest Green Lantern #3 for anybody who is sick of the talky talk and sick of the too dark tales for our superheros. In this issue there's fights at an air force base, fights in a jet, and fights in space. And to top it off, you have that nice moment where Hal lights the path for the family who is driving through the dark Coast City somewhat uncertain until they see the GL by their side. Good stuff. ** Is anybody reading Girls? I know I am (let's get a review @$$holes). Issue #4 wasn't as funny or quite as good as the last issue, but I'll be damned if this book doesn't have me waiting every month. I'm interested to see the Luna's on the Spider-Woman mini. I don't think Outsiders #27 had the impact of the previous issue, but it was a nice 2 issue arc that had some cool art by Will Conrad (although his work in this issue didn't seem as polished as in #26 or the Serenity mini (review please!!! it's called pre-ordering!!!) This has a dark ending, and it's pretty chilling too. ** Where's the All Week Cog Smooches?
Want to see that George Perez Infinite Crisis cover in color? by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 12:34:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/anen4 **** I knew you did!
Kyle Rayner? by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 01:00:11 PM
Does anyone think that he may die during Infinite Crisis? Not for any reason really, besides the fact that he is involved in it. ** Kal-El, you weren't shitting dude. Between people seriously defending AvP, admitting to going to buy the unrated cut in Nov., turd burgler, and BOW TO ME, etc., etc. I couldn't stop laughing. ** The Aquaman TB scares me due to the lenght alone. Good grief.
hey guys by Darth Kal-El	Aug 19th, 2005 01:37:20 PM
man its been crazy busy over here! not too much time for posting which sucks. yeah heathen i was cracking up. that whole 'plays taps on a bugle made of feces' thing kept me rolling all day. and the 'hit the gym' shit? i bet evry single person that posted that does not EVER do anything phsical. hello pot this is the kettle, YOUR FUCKING BLACK!!!
Rayner better NOT bite it... by superhero	Aug 19th, 2005 02:28:47 PM
I think he's been the best Green Lantern ever. The one I've most enjoyed reading. Not that I picked up the GL book that often, mind you. This week's GL was freaking great, though. Although the whole jumping out of a jet airplane to recharge the ring was a little too crazy in a Michael Bay movie sort of way. Still, even if Hal Jordan is the dryest of the GLs if his adventures are this crazy in the new book I'm in for sure...
DAMN YOU GUS NUKEM! by El Vale	Aug 19th, 2005 02:39:10 PM
You have tricked me and made me angry! That page on your bookmarks buddy? Seems like you pulled it out pretty quick there.
Green Lanterns by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 03:12:06 PM
Yeah, Kyle's cool, that's why I'm worried about him dying. Unless the Green Lantern Corp mini does something concrete w/ the Gl's (specifically Kyle) I'm worried for his life. It was pretty far fetched w/ the whole jet thing, but it's the first time in a long while that I was like, "What the hell is Hal gonna do? Holy shit! Cool!" I'm digging the new Green Lantern series. **** That was pretty devious Gus, and how did you pull that up so fast? Mmmm
My theory on Kyle Rayner: by SleazyG.	Aug 19th, 2005 03:41:53 PM
In GL#150, Winick briefly turned Kyle into a hero named Ion. One of the new DC titles rumored to be solicited post-Crisis is called ION. Dot-connecting time...
good one gus by Darth Kal-El	Aug 19th, 2005 03:53:23 PM
ya bastid!
El Vale's girl - 'Gus is our omniscient and kind master& by Gus Nukem	Aug 19th, 2005 04:05:45 PM
People, prepare to be blown away. I remember her from a buzzscope.com article on artists working long hours, getting carpal tunnel syndrome, not eating well etc. * She looks like a girl I 've fallen for, so she gets a place in my heart of hearts as well - voila http://tinyurl.com/8na7q * Tara McPherson, my fellow comic geeks. * go to taramcpherson.com -> info -> photos for drool induction. * Posting tinyurls of individual photos is futile; both on her site and at the buzzscope thingy she is astonishing every single time. We you Ms. McPherson.
double kudos to me by Gus Nukem	Aug 19th, 2005 04:12:47 PM
for posting a Kirby & Moore photo ( http://images.comicbookresourc es.com/litg/moorekirby.jpg ) and for the revolution of the stunning Ms. Tara McPherson *** /creepy internet geek mode: OFF
Mea culpa, it should be: 'drool inducement' by Gus Nukem	Aug 19th, 2005 04:18:38 PM
SORRY!!!
Again, SORRY!!! revolution -> revelation by Gus Nukem	Aug 19th, 2005 04:20:44 PM
SORRY!, people.
no need to apolagize for anything involving Tara McPherson by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 05:11:36 PM
nice on the eyes
please elaborate SleazyG. by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 05:21:30 PM
My curiosity is growing
I wish I knew more, Heathen. by SleazyG.	Aug 19th, 2005 06:48:21 PM
All I can tell you is that I've read a few articles detailing possible DC series launching out of the Crisis event. ION was one of the names on a short list of four or five I read, and since the only character at DC I know of with a link to that name is Kyle, it seems like the most obvious situation. I initially thought Kyle would be part of the new GL Corps, but maybe he's gonna get spun off into his own "cosmic defender"-type series. I hope not, though--the seriously cosmic stuff is among my least favorite subgenres, but Kyle is my favorite GL by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we'll hear more in a few weeks' time, though, so sit tight.
Tara Mcpherson by Darth Kal-El	Aug 19th, 2005 07:04:50 PM
very hot indeed but the tatoos are not really my thing. well let me rephrase that i dont like the sleeves on girls but i like tatoos.
I don't know what other public forum to post this in... by DuncanHines	Aug 19th, 2005 07:15:03 PM
...but they really need to make a movie of Doctor Strange. Now, I'm not a huge Doctor Strange fan. I dig the Defenders (at least Busiek and Larsen's run, and now the Giffen, DeMatteis and Maguire issues). But they need to make a Doctor Strange movie. He needs to wear pretty much the same costume as in the comics. And he needs to be played by Will Ferrell. It'd be friggin brilliant and you know it.
This is indeed the forum to post it in, and Green Lantern should by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 07:29:23 PM
just kidding DuncanHines, but seriously, who would play Doc Strange? Here's my two cents: Hugh Laurie from House. Anyone else have any ideas? **** Thanks for telling me what you know Sleazy, I may hunt down that issue, but I'm w/ you on Kyle not being a cosmic defender type guy. If he was, would he still have the power ring w/ just a different name like "Ion" or completely different powers? Mmm
Here's Stephen Strange by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 07:32:03 PM
http://tinyurl.com/bkva2 **** It could work.
"You're saying that these characters are overused and might by astronato	Aug 19th, 2005 07:34:30 PM
I didn't say that characters that have been around a long time don't have anything to offer, just the opposite, I said that writers like Geoff Johns take classic characters and tell good stories without drastic revamps or replacing those characters. I like Geoff Johns a lot but he hasn't reinvented the wheel. Superhero stories are almost always going to be about the "good guy" fighting the "bad guy". Johns knows how to tell good superhero stories and his love of those characters shows. That is what I meant. Having it both ways is saying that Supergirl is kinda lame but kinda cool to have around or that you sorta like Krypto but he is lame. By the way a dog is not a character (except perhaps in a children's cartoon or a Disney movie). With the exception of Detective Chimp a pet in a comic book is usually a prop. Also, Maybe Loeb hasn't given Kara enough character development in those Batman/Superman books but I haven't read any of them, I thought your review was on issue one of Supergirl. I am gonna let it go now because when I read/hear "Yeeesh" I get the feeling I am really annoying you and all I was trying to do was express an opinion in a public forum. No harm, no foul.
astronato by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 07:52:45 PM
check out We3 buddy.
My Infinite Crisis control rumors & specualtions by The Heathen	Aug 19th, 2005 07:56:08 PM
So far Power Girl may die, but the new (so popular) Supergirl will live. Maybe she and PG fight it out? As I stated earlier I have a feeling something may happen to Kyle Rayner, whether it be death, or a new name (Ion as SleazyG. pointed out) or powers. I dunno. Nightwing may take over the bat mantle for bruce because??? And isn't Nightwing working for Slade right now? And hasn't he also announced he's leaving the Outsiders? Tim Drake said he never wanted to take over I think. Slade wants revenge on Green Arrow for his eye, and Catman wants revenge on Slade for killing all his cats and on Green Arrow for disgracing him. Either that's really not good for GA or Catman, but I can't decide who after seeing how cool the latter is now. From Perez's Inf Crisis cover we know that the main three and their understudies all have something prominent to do with what happens. And what's going to happen to the main three's relationships, will their still be a league? The watchtower looks screwed too. And then there's that other rumor that this universe was one of the other universes, but I've already confused myself enough already. I am excited about this event though
We3 by astronato	Aug 19th, 2005 07:57:04 PM
What's We3?
We3 by astronato	Aug 19th, 2005 08:16:56 PM
Well I am glad I said usually instead of never :) Doesn't look like my cup of tea but thanks for the heads up Heathen.
Will Ferrell IS (should be) Doctor Strange! by DuncanHines	Aug 19th, 2005 08:50:27 PM
Heathen, hear me out... Dr Strange is ridiculous. But imagine Will Ferrell in the Doctor Strange suit, but playing the role completely deadpan serious... no implied humor, but it'd end up being hilarious (but, like, an on-the-down-low hilarious) because he'd be saying things like, "...the Eye of Agamotto!..." and "... By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!" It's already completely absurd, so why not make the film version beyond completely absurd? Hell, as soon as you put a moustache on Will Ferrell, he's already hilarious; he doesn't even have to say anything. Hugh Laurie should play Dormammu.
catman rocks by blackthought	Aug 19th, 2005 08:54:11 PM
this mcpherson lady seems intriguing...plays guitar too...also what ever happened to the lizzybeth? the new indie jones section of the column is tailor made for her.
El Vale... by Gus Nukem	Aug 20th, 2005 08:46:13 AM
how's it going, man? Is that her? I think so, but I am not so certain. *** Catman, Catman, Catman - SHUT UP already. Ugh!
Batman and Throbbin' by seanti	Aug 20th, 2005 11:50:06 AM
http://www.artnet.com/ag/fullt extsearch.asp?searchstring=Mar k+Chamberlain
DuncanHines by The Heathen	Aug 20th, 2005 12:37:14 PM
So Ferrell would play it serious and the movie would be serious in tone but it wouldn't really be serious because of all the goofy things Strange say's and Ferrell wouldn't imply that he's being funny, but in fact imply that he's completely serious when saying, "the Eye of Agamotto!" and such
astronato We3 by The Heathen	Aug 20th, 2005 12:45:55 PM
Sorry to not reply sooner, I left right after my Crisis specualtions. Yeah, I myself just picked up the 3 issues of We3 this week at my shop and I thought it was imperative to let you in on that little tid bit. In comics I believe you can probably find annything, and if you can't yet, give it another year. I also like the current creative teams on the Supes books. Especially Ms. Simone and Karl Kerschl (really liking his covers too).
Casting for Dr. Strange by Ambush Bug	Aug 20th, 2005 01:48:13 PM
This used to be my hobby, but it kind of fell by the wayside as other responsibilities reared their ugly head. Anyway, I don't know about the Will Ferrell thing. I'd prefer to see Rufus Sewell, probably most famous for his lead in DARK CITY, playing the role of Dr. Strange. I even did a Casting Couch feature for it in a column long ago. Those damn Casting Couches were damn fun and always sparked conversation and heated debate in the TBs. What do you guys think, is this a feature we should bring back?
Benji, Lassie, etc. A gun is a PROP a pet CAN be a character and by superhero	Aug 20th, 2005 01:48:26 PM
Oh, and I WAS reviewing Supergirl number one and SG was unintersting as all heck in that book. Not to mention that SG # 1 is an extension of the stories in SUPERMAN/BATMAN so those stories are indeed relevant to the character. That's like saying what's happened to a character in the past isn't relevant to anything in a current issue... :O) There. I got it out of my system...now astronauto and I can be friends... :O)
HELL YEAH BUG!!! by The Heathen	Aug 20th, 2005 02:04:13 PM
Bring 'em back! The All Weekers need some steam to keep us going throughout the TBs. Let's keep the ? of the week too. Great idea to bring the Casting Couch back.
i second the vote to bring back the casting couch by Darth Kal-El	Aug 20th, 2005 04:23:27 PM
All Week Cog Smooches ASSEMBLE!!
third it by blackthought	Aug 20th, 2005 11:32:12 PM
and can the casting couch come with an ottoman too? i'd like to put my feet up you know.
If Evangeline Lilly plays Wonder Woman by El Vale	Aug 21st, 2005 02:07:24 PM
I'll buy a ticket. And i'm sorry for bringing this one back, but i just read she's interested. And i'm in love with her so...
aawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww by blackthought	Aug 21st, 2005 05:31:49 PM

i feel ya though by blackthought	Aug 21st, 2005 09:46:57 PM
she is mighty fine and devious on lost
mmkay. by Shigeru	Aug 22nd, 2005 09:54:09 AM
Black hair? Full sleeve tats? Draws comics? Okay seriously I just died.
ASSEMBLED!!! by The Heathen	Aug 22nd, 2005 02:37:09 PM
(although a few days later) Evangeline Lily is awesomely cute. I don't know about her playing WW though. And Bug, I just watched some of Dark City this weekend and Rufus Sewell would be a good choice for Doctor Strange. Just give him a mustache! And I have just begun the Invincible HC.... and Rachel McAdams is hot too, I just felt like I should say that because I've seen her in two movies in a row. Moving on...
I don't think Tara McPherson is the girl on the Sexy Chix co by El Vale	Aug 22nd, 2005 03:00:36 PM
I don't know, i'm not convinced...not in one of her pictures does she look as awesome as the SC girl and she looks a bit...thick to be her. Not that she's not ok, you know?
i hear ya by blackthought	Aug 22nd, 2005 07:30:01 PM
still need some convincing myself that its one in the same for the lady...invincible hardcover is a delight heathen...and rufus sewell plays too many cads in movies but you never...and holy yes is rachel mcadams worthy of adulation...and 40-year old virgin was mighty funny...this is he age of aqaur...er..
maybe so, by Gus Nukem	Aug 22nd, 2005 09:02:27 PM
but Tara McPherson ...
yeah by blackthought	Aug 22nd, 2005 10:01:14 PM
sigh..indeed
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE. by Shigeru	Aug 23rd, 2005 10:54:10 AM
She may be terribly good looking, incredibly talented, and draw show posters for rad indie bands, but DON'T FALL FOR IT. EMO GIRLS ARE BLACK WIDOWS... they will lure you in with their dyed hair (swooped to the side!), bohemian sensibilities and cool tattoos. And just when you think you've found the perfect girl, they will literally BITE your heart out. (I've seen it happen to a friend of mine!!) They chew it for a while and then spit out the remains into mason jars and keep them as trophies! Normal girls are bad enough, but EMO GIRLS are bad news bears, dudes. Hell who am I kidding......Tara I heart you please go out with me.
If i dated someone like Tara by El Vale	Aug 23rd, 2005 02:15:01 PM
With the tatoos and the piercings and stuff...i'd never hear the end of it from my mom and grandma. They'd prolly have me brainwashed. Nope, i have to date very decent, very normal and very pretty girls (actually that's the way i like'em too). And i can't date black or too...tanned women cause my family'd have a field day making fun of me. Ah well, such is the life of the mighty.
hey guys by Darth Kal-El	Aug 23rd, 2005 02:26:19 PM
wow its been crazy busy here in my area! i dont really dig sleeves on girls but other than that tara is mighty cute. i know what u mean vale about your family having final say in who u date.it must be a south american thing cuz i get the same from my fam.
Public service by El Vale	Aug 23rd, 2005 02:47:45 PM
"I was at the crisis panel at Chicago. During the Q and A someone made a comment on the Flash. DiDio had a long reply, and ended with, "Wally's a great Flash for the time being." A few minutes later, someone said, "For the time being?" DiDio replied "Shit!" He then acted like he was joking, but after the panel Greg Rucka was talking to him and kept saying, 'Geoff is going to kill you!'" *Happy to spoil ID Crisis for all you kind people*
wally's by blackthought	Aug 23rd, 2005 02:54:03 PM
just "retireing"...maybe open up a tattoo shop for chick comic artists and have a reformed weather wizard run it.
Was watching Letterman tonight by El Vale	Aug 24th, 2005 01:32:25 AM
And i realized the guy's remarkably resembling Agent Graves lately. No, really.
Vale, ya bastard! by The Heathen	Aug 24th, 2005 10:58:41 AM
I guess it's okay since I read ID Crisis a year ago, but I don't remember anything happening to Wally. Maybe in Infinite Crisis. ; ) And thanks for telling me who died in the Half Blood Prince blackthought! Next thing I know you guy's are going to tell me there's some big twist at the end of the Invincible HC!
Heathen by Shigeru	Aug 24th, 2005 11:32:59 AM
The twist at the end of the Invincible HC is that Invincible gets ass raped by Sue Dibney's reanimated corpse, but she really turns out to be Magneto, who had magnetically mindwipped Yorick Brown into thinking he was the last man on earth, when in reality he's stuck in a prison surrounded by zombies. k i'm going to lunch.
let's jump Cog Smooches!!! by The Heathen	Aug 24th, 2005 01:04:01 PM
and
heathen by blackthought	Aug 24th, 2005 08:15:19 PM
booster gold does die in the half-blood prince.
NOOOOO!!! by The Heathen	Aug 26th, 2005 03:28:37 PM
Anybody but Booster! Damn you blackthought!!!
fine... by blackthought	Aug 27th, 2005 01:37:37 PM
how bout the vigilante?
how about by Gus Nukem	Aug 29th, 2005 01:43:04 PM
your as

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