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Zod & Others attend FANTASTIC FOUR screening in New York - the verdict'

Fantastic flop? by liljuniorbrown	Jun 28th, 2005 08:10:23 AM
God i hope not
I Can't Believe That The Guy Who Brought Us Jimmy Fallon in by Aquatarkusman	Jun 28th, 2005 08:24:12 AM
Sadly, the phrase "4-time Oscar Winner Michael Chiklis" may never become reality. P.S. If I ever heard an entire audience say "AWWWWWW," I would probably involuntary vomit.
"At least it isn't an Elektra." by Rupee88	Jun 28th, 2005 08:24:22 AM
Now there's a ringing endorsement.
Johnny Storms penis is made up of midichlorians by c4andmore	Jun 28th, 2005 08:24:29 AM
Why the pre-occupation with Johnny Storms penis? Freud would have a field day with that review.
Thre is nothing wrong with changing your oppinion... by boomstick81	Jun 28th, 2005 08:28:18 AM
... at least it shows that you're not a stubborn asshole.
do we get to see alba's hairy axe wound? by banthafodderUK	Jun 28th, 2005 08:32:16 AM
flame on and kneel before zod
But according to an interview with Michael France by adambalm	Jun 28th, 2005 08:33:21 AM
The Doom as the fifth member of the team, the Doom getting metallic skin armor powers from the cosmic exposure, the changing Johnny from teenager (even having some crap about Ben being his former instructor), them investigating a 'cosmic ray cloud', which I'm sorry is even goofier science than the comic origin...he's responsible for all this, and yet Harry loved his draft. Okay. To each his own.
Tim Sory = Brett Blackner? by HypeEndsHere	Jun 28th, 2005 08:34:27 AM
Johnny: "It burns when I pee. It burns when I don't pee. It burns!"
They cheered for trailers like Ice Age 2, etc. by moviemaniac-7	Jun 28th, 2005 08:37:08 AM
What sick people cheer for a trailer anyhow? Are their social lives so pathetic they cheer for a small piece of fucking film? A whole movie, I can imagine, but a fucking trailer... Come on!
Writers and comic book films by liljuniorbrown	Jun 28th, 2005 08:47:07 AM
Nothing against Tim Story,Barbershop was great....but Batman Begins and Spiderman perfect examples of how with these movies an A+ director and writting are absolutely nessecary to make these movies work.Having perfect CGI and costumes and all of that are very important but when you get down to it the reason comic books are so addictive is the stories and how the heros make the choices they do,the sacrifices,and how it affects those they love.The cover art is what draws you in and obviously you wouldn't have any appeal to the comics without the illustrations of these characters and there amazing powers,but if you are not intrested in them as people why keep reading?Starting with Xmen Bryan Singer proved that writting is the key and i think any successful comic adaptation will have to follow in those footsteps.Don't get me wrong,if you get to serious into a character study and you don't have any fun or kick ass action staying true to the comic then you will not have an audience,see Hulk as an example on that one.Studio heads don't care,they just want a huge opening weekend and merchandising out the ass but they can have all of that and stay true to the comics, Batman Begins Spiderman and Spiderman2,Xmen and X2 all made a ton at the box office,dvd sales,and merchandising and still made fanboys every where happy at how true they stayed to the comics,but Singer,Rami,Goyer and Nolan are all wonderful story tellers who make you invest emotions into the characters.Superman Returns,Spiderman3 and a Batman sequel can't get here quick enough.
FF by Knight of Ni	Jun 28th, 2005 08:49:32 AM
If this movie is indeed as good as Daredevil and the Hulk, then I think I will be happy enough with it. The fantastic four have never been as interesting as the X-men anyways, so its hardly right to expect a movie about them to be as good or better. At the risk of being thoroughly trashed on these talkbacks for being upbeat and optimistic, I think this summer is shaping up to be an excellent one in terms of movies being released.
Im so fucking tired of hose supposedly bad Hulk was. by JCubedz	Jun 28th, 2005 08:53:21 AM
Most of you are like a fucking herd of sheep, its easily one of the best 3 comic adaptations so far. Putting it in the same breath as Punusher or Elektra is showing your absolute ignorance about real movies let alone comic book movies. Fucking fanboys just want their action beats and one liners.
It looks like people who don't know the FF (99.9923% of the by FrankDrebin	Jun 28th, 2005 08:59:36 AM
The FF don't themselves consider themselves superheroes. They're researchers. The wear lab coats. The don't have secret identities. They don't have a secret lair. They need a babysitter before going out. The government would like to lock them up as dangerous--how many times have Ben and Johnny trashed lower Manhattan while arguing?--how many times have Reed's inventions let in interdimensional conquerers? This movie might be fun, but be prepared to get upset over the changes. (*500,000/6,500,000,000)
I told you self-important comic geeks... by Lost Skeleton	Jun 28th, 2005 08:59:47 AM
F4 is going to have the non-comic geeks loving it and as long as Fox can put $50 million in their coffers on opening weekend they will be happy. Rothman is just looking at the bottom line that is why Ratner is doing X3. Kudos to Warner for going with quality; however, the name of the game is still box office and the non-geeks want to see this I am telling you.
Oops, that should have been (*6,499,500,000/6,500,000,000). May by FrankDrebin	Jun 28th, 2005 09:04:06 AM
I, too, will take comfort in Jessica Alba's curves--but if they can deflate Lindsay Lohan digitally, they can INflate Jessica Alba. Still, I don't care, curves are curves.
I like the look fo this... by neoaddix	Jun 28th, 2005 09:11:35 AM
Looks light and entertaining. Oh, and I am FIRST!
If you read past... by Childe Roland	Jun 28th, 2005 09:12:20 AM
...all the instances of snarky bullshit where the first reviewer believes he's being hip or clever, that review is actually as positive if not moreso than the third one. Harry's still trying to color this film as bad before even seeing it, but his position sounds weaker and weaker the closer it gets to release (possibly because he keeps qualifying things he's said earlier and watering down his irrational hatred). As for the reviewers themselves, if I hear one more dumbass latter day fanboy complain about how the Thing is supposed to look like he's made of rocks because he's a walking pile of rubble, I'm going to hit that fanboy with a slab of concrete. You want to know what the Thing's skin is like? Look at your feet. Unless you're wheelchair bound or ultra vain, you've got some callouses near your heel and on the edge of your bog toe. Try to hurt that skin. You can't, really. You could put a cigarette out on it and not really feel it. Now imagine that all over your body only thicker. Thick enough to stop bullets. That's essentially what the Thing has going on if you look at the way Kirby originally drew him. Sure, eventually it starts to dry and crack (actually becoming harder) on the surface as it continues to build up (making him look bulkier). Eventually it takes on the appearances of a jigsaw mosaic of orangey rock, but FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, YOU UNIMAGINATIVE TWATS, HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MADE OF ROCKS! Your head may be, but not the Thing.
That line about acting blind by making your eyes move around a l by Ray Garraty #47	Jun 28th, 2005 09:13:30 AM
The blind chick in Blade: Trinity, The little girl in "The Langoliers" miniseries, and Jean Claude Van Damme in "Bloodsport" right after the giant roided Asian throws that powder in his face during the Kumite.
Actually, I am deluded by neoaddix	Jun 28th, 2005 09:14:01 AM
Still, Jessica Alba is a hornbag
Second that JCubedz by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 28th, 2005 09:14:15 AM
People that compare comic adaptations failures with Ang Lee's noble interpretation have probably never seen it. It's just something they feel they have to say to endear them to the geek mases. I've seen Punisher and Daredevil and I'm sure pretty sure that there isn't a fanbase as passionate for these two like there is for Hulk. I know a lot of people don't like the Hulk but I'm fairly certain thet nobody loves The Punisher. Whenever Hulk gets shat on in a talkback there are always half a dozen passionate defenders. I never see that for Daredevil.
Langoliers. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 28th, 2005 09:15:47 AM
Wish that got made into a real film. One of King's best.
Who cares about FF? Piglet is dead by TheBaxter	Jun 28th, 2005 09:30:09 AM
If Tigger can get an obit on this site, why not Piglet?
Hulk would fucking annihilate The Thing in a fight by John-Locke	Jun 28th, 2005 09:36:26 AM
and I seriously doubt that FF will be as good as Hulk, just look at the actors, Eric Bana, Jennifer Connelly, Sam Elliott, Josh Lucas, Nick Nolte. Thats some Grade A talent right there, apart from Chiklis I don't care about any of these actors one bit. I'm sure the kiddies will lap it all up but i'd be more excited to see a Hulk sequel.
Though I have no interest in seeing this... by PVIII	Jun 28th, 2005 09:47:23 AM
I have 7 bucks off the ticket price (from the Man on Fire SE dvd), so I've decided to drop 3.50 on this 100 million dollar crapfest. And yes, I live in NYC so tickets cost 10.50. And they wonder why reciepts are off 7%. Assholes.
Irwin... by adambalm	Jun 28th, 2005 09:48:13 AM
So, I called bullshit on you for saying BB got 72 million openning weekend and you're gonna take your crying about it to other threads?
I didn't mind Hulk. by dr_dreadlocks	Jun 28th, 2005 09:48:13 AM
But it's tone was all over the damn place for two hours. The opening was dramatic and rather well paced, aside from the overly done split screens. I understand it's "emulating" the comic book style. But when you're mounting the film essentially as a drama, you have to do away with the more "comic" involved bits. Also, when Josh Lucas' character dies and we flip out into it being an ACTUAL COMIC, you lost me right there. The film then turns into a schlock fest with "TAKE IT, TAKE IT ALL!" From then on out it loses any drama it could possibly imagine and becomes 150 million dollars wasted. Let's face it, it was okay in the first act. Once Lee decided it was a drama, comedy, hulk-dog fest, and eventually a literal comic book adaptation, he lost his audience. It's one way or another. I'm also not a sheep, although that shepherd guy does look rather alluring... What a nice staff.
How do these screenwriters keep getting work after churning out by I Dunno	Jun 28th, 2005 10:02:06 AM
Well I guess the same could be asked about studio execs and they get paid a lot more money.
The Hulk will be remembered slightly better thanks to the DVD cl by RealDoubleJ	Jun 28th, 2005 10:17:16 AM
The dramatic stuff was great but geez, the action fell flat for the most part in the cinema because no bugger in the audience could tell what the fuck was going on at night. The Hulk-dog scene was quiet as a morgue with hundreds of kids crying cause they couldn't see what the hulk was doing. Also, the end with Nick Nolte went down like a lead balloon because all we could make out was that it looked like he turned into a whirlwind before being sucked up the Hulk's ass. The DVD came out, it all made more sense, and i do have to put the Hulk high up on the list of Marvel's comic-book films...Mind you, it does help re-watching it without some schmuck of a kid asking his dad every ten minutes (ESPECIALLY at the end, "IS he still the Hulk Daddy?".
Dr. Doom is an FOREIGN EVIL DICTATOR!!!!! by Drath	Jun 28th, 2005 10:20:13 AM
Look I agree that corporate America has many evil men running it and they are an underrated menace to society (we reward people for being assholes, what do you expect of the American business scene). But Dr. Doom is an evil dictator and that IS relevant now with terrorists like Osama Bin Ladin and leaders like Kim Jong Il in the world. In fact that's almost a real world example! We'd rather go after someone like Saddam who might have Weapons of Mass Destruction in the future, but we're not gonna touch someone who has them now and is ready and willing to use them if he likes. Doom is that evil, and frankly I think American are still more fearful of that than they are of evil business men. We've grown tolerant of greedy corporate America, and frankly they laugh off the media demonizing them, so the studio has effectively made Dr. Doom into a benign entity. Probably because the studio is as corporate and greedy as the next Trump clone. I won't forgive.
Hey, cut Nick Nolte completely out of the Hulk film and I'll by cookylamoo	Jun 28th, 2005 10:23:56 AM

I Liked the HULK by ZombieSolutions	Jun 28th, 2005 10:28:38 AM
it was a lot smarter and more deeply felt than i ever remember the comics being. the biggest mistake Ang Lee made the mistake of trying to make a good film, when all america wanted was another BIG DUMB LOUD nothing. in the not too distant future, i imagine movies will just be one long car crash, shoot out and explosion backed by some kind of nightmarishly bad nu-metal/blingbling rap soundtrack. no more stories. just 'splosions, 'splosions, 'splosions, product placement, evil brown skinned person (or whomever the "enemy " of the republicans are that that month) hot blonde jailbait with kung fu powers, and then more 'splosions, 'splosions, 'splosions. ah, the decline of the empire. how amusing!
Hulk fought a fucking poodle......boo by occams_razor	Jun 28th, 2005 10:29:33 AM
If the Hulk movie had been 2 hours of Hulk fighting the moon men and their giant scorpion-bots then I would've loved the movie. I'm all for character development and plot but the movie was just dumb. People were laughing in the theater....and not the "wow, that was funny and poignant" kinda laugh, but more like a "wow, am I really seeing the Hulk fight a fucking evil poodle?" kinda laugh. I like Ang Lee and I commend him for trying to make something different with the Hulk but it didn't work...at all.....a fucking poodle!!!!
I guess I'm one of "hose" people by sith-vol	Jun 28th, 2005 10:32:32 AM
Yeah I thought the Hulk was utter crap. If this thing is as good...then guess what? It will be crap too. I am tired of people shitting on comic book fans. News flash for ya, if there were no comic book geeks, fans or fanboys...then Batman, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four etc. would not exist. I know they all say the same thing; "It has to appeal to a mass audience" Well last time I checked, these comics had a mass audience already. I know the bottom line is getting people's butts in the theatre seats but for christ sake why do we keep seeing project after project that has less and less to do with the source material? If every time we pick up an issue of our favorite comic and read it, everything about the origins of a character changes, would we continue to read it. Minor changes I can deal with, but major changes to the very fabric of what made the character cool in the first place makes no sense at all to me. I guess my whole point is this: If you've got a billion people all obsessed with a big green cube sitting on a rock in the middle of a lake, and every one loves this cube and books are written about it, why then one day do you decide to make a movie about the cube and change the big green cube to a rather small blue telephone sitting on a bed that no one cares about? Like I said, it makes no sense to me. It all comes down to one thing and one thing only, money. If Avi Arad, and Stan Lee weren't so intent on squeezing all the money they can out of every Marvel project available, this would never happen. I wish someone somewhere cared enough about a comic book and its characters that they would make a quality project with the actual source material...oh wait there is and his name is Bryan Singer and look what Fox did to him. Sorry for the long rant...I'm out.
Off topic, sorry,, but Harry how about a forum discussing the re by JohnnyTremaine	Jun 28th, 2005 10:37:24 AM
It leads into questions regarding the direction of content distribution technology, the movie business, the much talked about lowered audience attendance at theaters, etc. etc.
johnny by whatyoufear	Jun 28th, 2005 10:43:07 AM
who gives a shit? just like this fantastic movie i'll be not watching.
Hey, Sith-Vol, What About Sam Raimi's SPIDERMAN Films? by ZombieSolutions	Jun 28th, 2005 10:44:31 AM
clearly Sam Raimi cares about and loves the characters. and he made the two best comic book movies EVER. i loved the XMEN movies, but the SPIDERMAN movies really hit it out of the park. they are perfect comic book films. Fox fucked Singer, but Singer wanted to do Omnipotent, Boring, MidWestern, Aryan, Goodguy, Boyscout Man, i mean, SUPERMAN , more than the XMEN. my guess is he would have left anyway.
Am I alone in thinking Spiderman 2 was crap? by TonyWilson	Jun 28th, 2005 10:53:52 AM
I liked the first one alot. But the second was a retread of so many other ideas and then a major plot point stolen completely from Superman 2. Oh and don't get me started on the ending. Just chessy bollocks. FF looks good, not great not crap just good. I have been saying The Torch will be the best thing since the script was leaked. But that is because he is the one without any weight or pathos. So they nailed the shallow show off and just went for the saccharine crap witht the Thing. I can see why hardcore FF fans are fuming. I'm only a small fan so i can live with is as pop corn fun now the really great early summer films are all out.
Hulk love Doomed by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 11:02:28 AM
Sorry, just trying to fit in the names. Jumble of thoughts here: First, it's good to see some Hulk love here after the endless knee-jerk Hulk bashing on this site. I admit, the film was flawed, the CG distracting, and the ending didn't really work, but I thought the overall concept and the anger issues and the Betty/Bruce relationship and even Nolte's bat-shit craziness worked well. I thought it was intelligent and kinda trippy, not the Hulk-SMASH fest everyone seems to have wanted, but really if all you want is that, watch the cartoons. Most of these early Marvel concepts just don't work in reality and trying to do the concepts straight would be really difficult. You have to update the "science" or the emotional stakes. I'm usually one to say that it makes more sense that Doom would be corporate. We already have an interesting terrorist character in Rh'as al Ghul and having Doom just be a terrorist would be boring and just doesn't fit in tone with this FF origin. I do like what I'm hearing about the Latverian connection, though. Maybe they're building up to him becoming a dictator and the sequel will make the FF more relevant to the world (or galaxy), not just NYC. The true FF was always much more sci-fi than the other titles, after all. I'm also one of those people that really liked Daredevil, especially the director's cut. The only weak spot for me was Garner's Electra - the casting and the portrayal of that character was all wrong. Matt and Electra should have been two totally different worlds, instead of looking like prom dates together. What better character to do a spinoff? (that's sarcasm). The A-list director thing is good advice, but was Raimi, the guy who most knowm for the Evil Dead movies, really an A-list director? Spiderman was certainly entertaining, but people have to remember that comic book films aren't Shakespeare. Every now and then we get something with more substance like BB or occasional moments in the X-Films, but with FF, this sounds exactly like what I expect. Finally, that second review was completely incomprehensible.
Once again... by The_Iceman2288	Jun 28th, 2005 11:10:59 AM
AICN, bypass the good bits and go STRAIGHT to the negative.
I also love the Hulk movie by adambalm	Jun 28th, 2005 11:13:11 AM
It was just a failure of audience expectations. You could just as easily blame a 'dumb audience' as poor marketing. In any event, people thought they were getting Star Wars, and they got 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think Hulk will eventually be rediscovered by the critics, but I don't know if it will ever be anything but reviled among the majority of fanboys.
The HULK CGI... by Dolph	Jun 28th, 2005 11:15:49 AM
...was, for the most part, awesome. ILM talked about how green was their greatest enemy in making him believable. Look at the scene when he emerges from the sewer
Tony Wilson I know why Spidey 2 was crap.... by www.valiens.com	Jun 28th, 2005 11:15:51 AM
Because it was a nice little romance movie that happened to have Spider-Man in it. Take out Spidey and you've got a decent enough film. But that's not what we paid for. Maybe the third one will actually have some Spider-Man in it. As for Fantasic Fuck Up--it's 2005. If you're telling me that you can tell there's a foam rock in a big budget hero movie at this point in movie history, you might as well not finish the review unless it's about Roger Corman.
I too also loved the Hulk by boomstick81	Jun 28th, 2005 11:25:09 AM
Wow, nice to see all of these Hulk fans stepping forward. Though, I must say, all of the recent Marvel movies and BB have been pretty true to the tone of their comic counterparts. Spider-Man has always had romance in it (Should I date Gwen or Mary Jane?! Or.. It's hard to date when I'm Spider-Man). Batman is dark, psycological and moody. And, FF4 is a comedy/sci-fi/adventure. Everything may not be exactly as they are in the comics, but more importantly the tone is right.
Wow. I Can't Believe There Are Comic Book People Who Didn&# by ZombieSolutions	Jun 28th, 2005 11:30:51 AM
you've GOT to be fucking kidding me. they were fucking classics! the only retread from part 1, is the scene where Parker goes in to the burning house to rescue the kid. it's virtually the same in part 1. but, ah! this time around, he's just plain old Peter Parker -- emo nerd/ex superhero. both of them were fantastic movies with well-rounded characters, great dialouge, and supercool action sequences. i mean, the train scene alone was fantastic. oh wait, let me guess, this is just more of that inconsolable comicbook geek contrarianism that hates everything for no other reason than boredom. it's not that you didn't like it, but that, liking it doesn't start flamewars.
Not a problem Irwin, just double check your facts before you pos by adambalm	Jun 28th, 2005 11:31:36 AM
And don't mindlessly regurgitate what you read in a press release. I go to the source and look at the actual numbers being reported before I open my mouth. What's also interesting to me is that I've only commented on Batman Begins in a couple of threads, maybe a dozen posts total, out of the hundreds of posts I've made on AICN. But every single post I've seen by you, is talking about box office numbers, and all the while bitching about other people doing the same. This is the equivalent of those who bash people for judging a movie to suck before it comes out, who then go on to say the movie will rock. Fine, call me a hater if it makes you happy. As I posted in the last FF thread, I didn't even really talk about the box office that much until the mindless zealots like you kept misrepresenting the facts to fit their arguments, and calling anyone who tried to kill their buzz "haters" and trolls. Then I had to call bullshit on them. I specifically said in the last thread that Batman Begins, despite a hairy openning that some of us wondering if it did bomb, the later numbers showed a piss poor, lukewarm, but respectable showing which could not be categorized as a flop. I also specifically said at the same time, that I liked the movie. And further in the thread, I stated I thought Fantastic Four may do better, despite my prediction that I'll probably like it less than Begins. See, you're the only one who associates the financial success of a movie, with the quality of the film. Batman Begins didn't drop like a bomb, and nor soar like an eagle. It will make its money back and it will probably get a sequel, although I doubt they'll approve a budget before they see how the initial DVD orders are.
I think this movie will do good by BatShtCrazy	Jun 28th, 2005 11:31:40 AM
I believe this movie will do good because it seems to be catering more to the general masses then the fanboys, and if it works more power to them, I doubt they'll get my money , I just wish it was more old school fantastic four than Ultimate FF Doom. As for the 2nd reviewer, anything and everything he says should've been thrown out in the garbage, go get some tissues and spank it instead of wasting our time with that crap you call a review. P.S. I have always thought the Hulk movie was ok, I don't think it's the masterpiece some people make it out to be but it's not the steaming pile most seem to think it is...I think it got a little too wordy for my tastes but over all it was good enough in my opinion to pick it up as part of my movie collection
Too much character development?? by TonyWilson	Jun 28th, 2005 11:31:51 AM
I can't believe I'am dumping on a film because of that. But I think you are right for the most part Valiens. I know it's always hard romance in it but it wasnt 75% romance and character development that didn't really go anywhere. I have been happy with 50/50 split or even a BB style drama over action. But not romance. Just not my thing in a Superhero movie. Ah well.
ummm..... by FertilityHollis	Jun 28th, 2005 11:35:13 AM
I just signed up to say this is the funniest shit I've ever had the pleasure of reading. Tom Cruise better keep up his kookiness so I'll have something to do while I'm at work. I had no idea Scientology was so fucked up, they're like those Heaven's Gate fuckers who killed themselves to rendevous with fucking aliens on some comet, or was that some other cult? I dunno they all start to run together after a while.
"We don by genro	Jun 28th, 2005 11:35:33 AM
Avi wanted to make Bendis' Ultimate FF but was forced to go back to some standard FF stuff. Von Doom was Van Damn, Boreanz before Chiklis, the uber-celebrity stuff, so on and so forth...
ooookay, that was supposed to be in the tom cruise talkback..... by FertilityHollis	Jun 28th, 2005 11:38:18 AM
FUCK!! I'm so fucking stupid, I don't even know where I am half the time...
Zombiesolutions by TonyWilson	Jun 28th, 2005 11:38:28 AM
No you have got me wrong mate. I don't care about dissing a film for the sake of it. It is just my opinion with Spiderman 2. When I said retread of Ideas i didnt just mean from Spiderman 1 i meant from most book films. And come on what about the total ripping off of Superman2? Surely that is not a good thing to do? I only posted because i wanted to see if other people agreed with me not to start anything. So take it easy. I loved Spiderman 1 as much as the next fanboy. The fight on the train had a great ending but the bits on the top just seemed a bit too videogame for me. It is just opinion though on this one at least. As for the characters...well the development seemed to go round in circles a bit. But come one surely that ending was really bad. Really cheesily bad?.
Quit being pussies, just admit it.... by crackerfarmboy	Jun 28th, 2005 11:50:15 AM
THIS FILM SUCKS COCK! If you can't tell that from the trailers alone, then you are retarded.
A lot of Harry's premature hatred of this stems from his lov by MrBoinfoint	Jun 28th, 2005 11:51:13 AM
Which is sad. Because being a Fantastic Four comicfan is just barely a step above being a DC comicfan. Exept for Batman, that crazy rich guy rocks. The reviews above are so full of faux-witty "ain't I the worst" cattiness that they might as well have been written by David Sedaris.
Did anyone see the cast of FF on the Today show this morning? by mortsleam	Jun 28th, 2005 11:57:11 AM
That Alba is one hot idiot. Chiklis was all enthusiasm, despite having to deal with a vaccuum like Matt Lauer. Gruffud looked a little uncomfortable, and Evans grew some ridiculous facial hair. They all seemed game though, enthusiastically talking about the characters, powers and relationships and looking excited over the prospect of making a sequel, and didn't spend the entire interview saying how embarrassed they were to be in comic movie, unlike a certain Oscar Winning actress.
spider-man 2 by occams_razor	Jun 28th, 2005 12:09:40 PM
Spider-Man 2 bored me, though it was better than the Hulk. The scene where the people on the train pass Spidey over them and he's striking the Jesus pose....I rolled my eyes. Here's to hoping Spidey 3 will make me smile as much as the first one did. And Hulk still is, and will always be, a bad movie.
crackerfarmboy, that's your problem by The_Iceman2288	Jun 28th, 2005 12:11:24 PM
You're judging the movie, only from the trailers. I think we all know who the real retard is.
ZombieSolutions by sith-vol	Jun 28th, 2005 12:14:09 PM
That is a prime example of what I was saying about being able to handle minor changes in a comic book film. I was pissing and moaning so much in my rant I failed to mention Raimi, who is a great talent and I think is a prime example of what is right in Hollywood which is very little. I could sit through 1000 viewings of Spidey 1 & 2 before ever watching the Hulk again. Thanks for calling me on that one bud.
Michael France's script by Killgore	Jun 28th, 2005 12:16:43 PM
Does anyone know where I can get the Punisher and Hulk scritps?
Hulk was a good movie and FF will make more money then Batman by JUSTICE41	Jun 28th, 2005 12:19:16 PM
.FF will be a better watch than Bats, for the family. Let's face it in the summer it's about being able to take the entire family out for some relatively cheap entertainment. Can't take the chillen to see WOTW or any other violent or overly sexual movies. FF is the perfect family flick. It has a flame guy a rock guy and a stretchy guy as well as a bad guy in armour and a sexy chick who turns invisible. People will say this movie is the live action version of the Incredibles, not knowing the FF came first. But money will flow, the audience will laugh and enjoy themselves and pass on the good word to friends and co-workers alike. That is how you make money kiddies, not dark gloomy movies. That's for wacko's who think dark gloomy movies are cool or some such nonsense. Take note, the brighter more kid friendly a comic book movie is the better attendance it get's. People want to be thrilled and amused not put off or pissed off or turned off. I loved Batman Begins but knew it wasn't going to make much overall and was really hoping the production costs weren't high, bcause a high prod cost and relatively low BO return is a sure sign it will not have a sequel. Well that was before DVD's follow-up three months later. The Hulk's sequel is being delayed for exactly that reason. It made much from DVD's, but it's initial worldwide take only netted 60 million above costs and marketing. I wonder how many water headed retards will light themselves on fire and jump off the roof of their house after watching Storm light up?
Spider-Man 2 ripped off.... by boomstick81	Jun 28th, 2005 12:20:27 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #50. Gasp! And the other countless times Spider-Man "quit".
Boomstick81 by TonyWilson	Jun 28th, 2005 12:22:23 PM
He didn't quit then lose his powers because of a girl. Superman did though.
Spidey moments by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 12:23:21 PM
I do admit that my favorite moments from the Spidey films were the sentimental "New York" moments, like people throwing shit at Green Goblin, or the train sequence where the people see PP unmasked and swear to keep his secret. These are unrealistic of course, but as cinematic moments, they were particularly moving. Maybe this has to do with the first movie nod to 9/11 with removing the Towers from the original poster. But that's the spirit of Spiderman, the NYC sensibility. I also loved Molina's Doc Ock - actually love Molina in most things - his scene in Jarmusch's Coffee and Cigarettes with Steve Coogan was hilarious, for instance - who would have thought Mr. "Throw me the whip" would have such a great range? My problem with SM2 was mostly the Parker character and Maguire. The whiney Spidey angst just gets tired after a while. If I want angst, I'll watch Batman. I'm still waiting for the wisecrackin' Spidey I know from the comics and the cartoon. That Peter Parker had troubles, sure, but he joked his way through them, not whined and cried. There was a lame attempt at the Spidey humour in SM2 in the bank robbery scene, but it fell flat, imo. Maybe if they ever do that Deadpool movie...
A lot of Harry's premature hatred of this stems from AICN no by MikeCSVU	Jun 28th, 2005 12:24:38 PM
Why do you think Nolan, Singer, Spielberg and Jackson get such five star treatment on this site?
Spidey has lost his powers before when sick...... by JUSTICE41	Jun 28th, 2005 12:26:53 PM
Or overly stressed in the comics. They took a bunch of things from all the comics. I've seen a scene in the comics where spidey runs out of web fluid and had to catch a ride on top of a cab. They had to re-jigger the story to fit the organic nature of the Movies Spidey but I think it worked well.
This movie sounds like it's a piece of shit by Doc_Strange	Jun 28th, 2005 12:28:31 PM
You know I never really read FF comics except for the Heroes Reborn which was done by Jim Lee. But even I know that Doc Doom should be a fucking genius Dictator of Latveria, not some lame ass cliche CEO bent on revenge because he's being ousted. Shit, Doom would come up with a way to kill all the stockholders without being incriminated, hell he'd probably kill them all outright. This was a gaping hole of a missed opportunity for one of the greatest villains in the Marvel universe. I won't go into the rest of the characters because that would be too much talkback.
I have to agree with JUSTICE41 by sith-vol	Jun 28th, 2005 12:32:16 PM
This looks like a popcorn movie and while I may rant about the fact they have severed any tie to the source material, this will probably make a ton of money. Both my sons (5 and 2) love Batman, but there was no intrest from either of them when a trailer was on, but show one of the crappy Fantastic Four trailers and they come running. So I can see your point.
Kids love fire and rock guys by JUSTICE41	Jun 28th, 2005 12:45:34 PM
I have 3 year old nephew who loves Batman. he even has a batman costume he wears around his house as he jumps off furniture. I showed him the Batman trailer and he just went back to running around. I showed him the Spidey 2 trailer and he sat down and started pointing at the screen saying spiderman, and giggling. May be anecdotal but it's enough proof for me. Children are only looking for amusement and laughs and maybe even something to get sad over like Bambi's mom getting blown away or watching the little baby in Ice age get turned over to it's parent. Robert Rodriguez has hit the nail on the head with his movies.
Doctor Doom as Donald Trump? by Thorfin	Jun 28th, 2005 12:59:15 PM
I don't want to see them destroy a great villain and reduce him to an evil capitalist who looks like a character out of the old 1980's Flash Gordon (Flash.... ah ahhhhh... savior of the Universe!)
As far as Doom, keep in mind that this is an origin movie by Terry_1978	Jun 28th, 2005 01:00:26 PM
He doesn't die at the end apparantly, and sets himself up to be Latverian ruler.
People who blame the screenwriter... by droog	Jun 28th, 2005 01:18:49 PM
Know little or nothing about the process of big-budget filmmaking. If they're lucky, a credited writer has maybe 10-30% of their initial/best script make it into the finished film. After that it's a matter of incorporating an endless series of notes from director, producers, actors, etc. -- basically people in higher positions who THINK their ideas are better. As hard as it may be to believe, the vast majority of writers actually do not set out to write a piece of shit (there's a reason they're cashing $500k checks for their function). It's just what the movie becomes over the course of production. Too many cooks...
How am I supposed to believe that last review? by enemakid	Jun 28th, 2005 01:32:37 PM

Daredevil was... by Rapmaster C	Jun 28th, 2005 01:33:05 PM
...nowhere near as bad as people say. I'm not that a big fan of him comics-wise (more of a Spidey fan myself) but the film itself was good. At the time of its release, everyone seemed to focus on their unyielding hatred for Ben Affleck, much like people are dissing WOTW just because Tom Cruise has been in the news recently. Fantastic 4 sounds better than expected - hopefully it does well enough to garner a sequel. If they're going to mess up the Phoenix storyline in X-Men 3, at least give us Galactus.
How am I supposed to believe that last review? by enemakid	Jun 28th, 2005 01:35:41 PM
Guy says Hulk and Daredevil in the same breath... "At least it wasn't Elektra". Some consolation...
Also by Rapmaster C	Jun 28th, 2005 01:47:45 PM
That second review was awful. Honestly, why was it shown? It was like the worst Cumpston-esque rip-off I've ever read.
Hulk Love: It's a beautiful thang by Laserbrain	Jun 28th, 2005 01:48:21 PM
I am pleased to count myself among your numbers, Hulk fans. I consider it a strange, sad, awesome but still quite flawed piece. I wouldn't have thought you could have mixed comic-book-movie with Oedipal-psychodrama with 60s-Trip-Film so successfully but... it worked. For me anyway. And, Jesus, you get about 15 minutes of the Hulk jumping about in the desert smashing the pus out of tanks and helicopters. How much more HULK can ya get? Oh, well- they never GOT Blade Runner in 82 either...
Sounds like shit by Doc_McCoy	Jun 28th, 2005 01:50:52 PM
Trailers look like shit. Director has a history of making shit. Reviewers were not impressed. I will not be seeing this movie in the theater or on DVD.
Love Hulk Love by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 28th, 2005 02:16:54 PM
Never seen one of my TBs so reinforced. Makes me glow with faith in human intelligence. The soundtrack during the leaping across the desert sequence. The brutallity of the dogfight. The hallucinigenic visions. The primal YEAH as he pulls the turret off the tank. Apparently Arad wants him smaller in the sequel and more purposely heroic. Diet Hulk as he called it, so the first film is going to be one to treasure. And to whoever said Hollywoods Hulk would annihilate Hollywoods Thing. Absolutely. Are they supposed to be equals in the comics though?
LaserBrain by Bulldoggie	Jun 28th, 2005 02:17:09 PM
Dude, I've been saying the exact same thing in regards to "people" not getting Hulk just like no one got BladeRunner back in the day for about 2 years now!! Agreed 100%. As far as the FF goes, I'll be there the first day with my Thing hands (specially modified to hold beer cans and cigar). . .
Hulk was the best directed super hero film with a weak script. by Mr. Profit	Jun 28th, 2005 02:29:30 PM
It looked nice, had good editing, but the story was weak and there was no big pay off ending.
C omputerized G rimm I n my opinion. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 28th, 2005 02:31:51 PM
I have nothing against practical effects. Hellboy and Abe Sapiens were perfect but neither were made entirely of stone. You just cannot get around the fact that this new Thing looks and moves like rubber. Even in the posters. There should be real friction at every boulder join and a puff of dust and grit. They didn't even have to go as far as a completely Gollum/Hulk CG character. Just some digital enhancement. But CG is at a level now that could have made a man made of orange rock more believable. Look at the scene in Hulk after his old house is destroyed by the FAYE bomb. His turn to camera as the dust clears and then him observing his cut healing. Absolute perfection It's the little tiny moments of obsevered movements that make a CG creation acceptable to the human eye. Sorry to go back to Hulk but if I can't rave about it in this talkback then where? Also, wasn't Grimm bigger in the comics?
"If you don't like Hulk, you don't get it" by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 28th, 2005 02:36:00 PM
Disagree with that standing. I appreciate that it's very much an aquired taste. I just love the Carlos Casteneda senseabilities and seeing the military reduced to toys.
Silver Surfer by mikal	Jun 28th, 2005 02:40:13 PM
I'm currently doing dialog rewites for a combined Silver Surfer/Doctor Strange film. It will of course have to have an origin-laden first act with the usual overdose of exposition, but I think the screenplay solves the problem quite nicely. Funding is almost all in place, but no talent is attached as of yet. Should be a goodie- loads of greenscreen weird extra-dimensional stuff, with GALACTUS making an appearance of course. Not at liberty to discuss any more details, like our first choices for director or further plot details, but I wanted to let all the freeks n' geeks know first!
And people really need to stop acting like Spiderman 1 and 2 and by Mr. Profit	Jun 28th, 2005 02:40:24 PM
They were all mediocre films that are only regarded as being "good" or "Great" because they did not outright suck. Spidey is hobbled by bad CGI and villains you dont really care for. And Spiderman 2 was nearly 3 hours long with maybe 3 major action sequences. A sequel is supposed to up the ante and the only good scene in that entire film was Doc Ock bugging out in the emergency room. Xmen 1 was a boring film with poor dialogue and characters that were all wrong. And the way the homorepressed director (Singer) made being a mutant the equivalent of being a homosexual in the closet was not genius, it was dumb. What's next, Superman is going to use closets instead of phone booths? X2 was flat and cheap looking and for 135 million looked like a superstation original film. That film also reduced the Xmen to Power Rangers status where they all bitched out in the end and looked for Wolverine to bail them out. Just like the way those corny ass rangers used to look for Tommy. Hulk was beautiful to look at and it looked like the director spent a couple of bucks. Too bad it wasn't blockbuster enough. At least Ang Lee tried, but they underestimated Americans who for many their only reference to The Hulk was the TV show with Bill Bixby. Adding too complex a story and an ending that was to me a bit confusing, the movie tanked and is hated. Anyhow superhero films are all getting stupid. They will only get better when Avi Arad steps down. Batman Begins was finally a serious step in the right direction, but it was far from perfect. For the sequel, Nolan needs to do the action better. I'm shocked with superhero films because there is no reason why any of these films are not better than the original Matrix. Shit they aren't even as good as Aliens and that came out in the 80's. Can Cameron please come out of retirement and school these hack motherfuckers on how to satisfy an audience? We'll forgive you for Titanic...
Silver Surfer!!! Galactus!!! by docfalken	Jun 28th, 2005 02:57:23 PM
Please please please don't let this suck. I want to see Galactus eat a planet. I want to see the Power Cosmic unloaded on some bad guys. Maybe have SS duke it out with another Herald? And since I'm making a Christmas list, how about some Inhumans and a Beta Ray Bill appearance?
You hear that?? by I've been Banned	Jun 28th, 2005 03:00:02 PM
That's the sound of a fat man back-peddling.
Mr. Profit Have to half agree with you by JUSTICE41	Jun 28th, 2005 03:10:39 PM
But not all SFX houses can be ILM or WETA. Spdey's EFX was good enough, not great but good enough. The Hulk was the best CGI character I've ever seen next to Gollum. Just watch the scene when he was about to toss a hunk a street at the helicopter. The pause, the muscle movement, the un-flexing and un-tensing of the corded muscles all looked perfect. Suer he looked like a barbie doll facially at times like when looking at his reflection, but the first transformation was spot on. Him slipping and falling, slicing through the observation room to pull apart the gamma machine, beautiful. The shot of him smashing out of the water tank, the Hulk rolling in the sand after being shelled. My only issue with the movie was it should have started when Banner was riding to work and ended when Betty calms him down so he change back. That should have been the movie. Hell I bought the dvd and imported into my computer and re-edited it so the movie starts at Banner riding his Bike and ends when Betty and Banner hug. I threw in the Banner experiment stuff in as flashbacks Thank you final Cut Pro and Adobe after effects. Too bad I didn't have a DVD burner at the time.
Mr. Profit, get your head out of your ass. by BurlIvesLeftNut	Jun 28th, 2005 03:11:22 PM
What an over long, dumb post trying to justify why your opinion is better than others. Just so you know you will never be able to prove your opinion is better than others. NEVER! EVER! Get it out of your head, pussy lips! IT CAN'T BE DONE! So get over yourself and except that people disagree with you. Whiny bitch.
Justice by Mr. Profit	Jun 28th, 2005 03:22:08 PM
Yeah I personally like the film I thought it was well made, but needed something to make mainstream audiences like it. I still own the film though. And Burl you can try to insult me all you want but 1) my opinion still stands, and guess what it's my opinion, you dont have to agree. And 2) no one told you to read my post. If it upset you so much that you are seemingly on the verge of tears well I apologize. Spiderman 1 and 2 and X 1 and 2 are mediocre IMO. I didn't say I was L Ron Hubbard and that you had to go on talk shows spouting my message.
Mr. Profit's homo-repressed issues by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 03:29:11 PM
Sheesh. I thought we already talked this issue to death about people's inane ideas about Singer's gay agenda. I'll say it one more time. You can call mutants outcast of any type, whether it's being gay, or religiously or politically different, or simply not fitting in. Singer's gay identity may have influenced how he read the story, but all of those metaphors were already there. These films were not gay agenda films, like so many queerbashers seem to think. The X-Men films weren't masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination, and some of the casting was weak (I'm looking at you, Halle) but there were certainly moments of brilliance (Like the Xavier/Magneto verbal sparring, Wolverine and Rogue's relationship: "Does that hurt? Every time.") that showed us that we could care about comic book characters on the big screen and that the quiet moments were just as important as the fights. And in an unrelated note: Doctor Strange AND Silver Surfer? Isn't that a bit of a genre mix? Shouldn't there be a straight sci-fi Silver Surfer/Galactus story and a straight Dr. Strange mystical sorcery story?
oops, I guess I should have said "straightforward" considering t by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 03:31:23 PM

Dammit, Trevor! by Childe Roland	Jun 28th, 2005 03:40:59 PM
What part of "HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MADE OF ROCKS" do you not understand? Look at the original Kirby art in FF #1. Not only is he orange and lumpy (because his skin isn't made of rocks, it's basically just a big callous that hasn't started to dry and crack yet), but he's a test pilot. Pretty strict maximum height limitations there. Sure, some of those hack artists in the 90s drew him as a 7-foot-tall rocky man-mountain - and maybe they even thought he was supposed to be made of rocks, but they weren't exactly known for their attention to detail or history/continuity in that era. Ben Grimm's right around 6 feet and starts out relatively smooth (albeit lumpy). Later he gets more craggy as his epidermis hardens and continues to layer (making him look bulkier).
Sorry I missed that stuff, I wasn't a member of this site in by Mr. Profit	Jun 28th, 2005 03:41:43 PM
And I'm not homo repressed in anyway. In the year 2005 if I were gay I don't think anyone would give a fuck about it. That is unless I lived in middle America.
People who wanted more HULK SMASH.... by Ribbons	Jun 28th, 2005 03:42:04 PM
...would have been better served watching '2 Fast 2 Furious' or masturbating.
Spider-Man 2 WAS A Great Film by Sean38	Jun 28th, 2005 03:45:54 PM
Sorry Profit, you missed the boat on this one BIG TIME. Spider-Man 2 is the GOLD STANDARD by which all other superhero movies should be judged. It had character, action, heart, drama, plot and a great villian. Only 3 major action sequences? Who cares! They were great action sequences that mattered all the more because Raimi actually bothered to tell a STORY rather than simply loosely link a series of set pieces together. The scene with Spider-Man and Doc Ock on the train was the FIRST time I'd ever truly seen a comic book come to life. And the scene right after, where the train goers realize he's just a kid, his heart breaking. On top of that you've got the PERFECT bittersweet ending with Mary Jane staring out the window as Peter swings off into the distance. The DEFINITIVE order is this: 1) Spider-Man 2, 2) Batman Begins 3) Superman (I'm counting 1 and 2 together), 4) X2, 5) Hulk. I don't expect FF to live up to any of these movies, but so long as it's better than Daredevil or the VASTLY overrated Hell Boy, or at least on par with the original X-Men, I'll be happy. It doesn't look brilliant, but it looks like fun.
try last week, prof. by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 03:54:50 PM
We've been discussing Singer and the whole gay issue incessantly on almost every comic book movie related talkback for the last month, ever since homophobes cried "gay!" on the new Superman costume and the whole Ratner thing happened. Not that I expect everyone to read every talkback, but when an issue so patently irrelevant keeps coming up, I get pretty annoyed. Don't know what the rest of your post means.
I WANT to reappraise Spiderman 2 by TonyWilson	Jun 28th, 2005 03:55:03 PM
I saw it twice at the cinema and did not bother with the dvd. There are certainly great moments in it. Sean38 i agree the end of the train fight is absolutley great. But the fight on top looks like a videogame. The plot is disjointed really more sequences of Parker's life there is no driving momentum. The ending? Well it has more slo-mo/heart swelling music than the end(s) of ROTK it is just a bit too saccharine. I want to reappraise it and i will rent it out again but I still think most of what i said stands.
Spider-Man 2 was lame by Rupee88	Jun 28th, 2005 03:58:22 PM
I liked the first Spider-Man but the sequel was just poor filmmaking.
sean38's "definitive" order by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 04:01:48 PM
I'm sorry, but there's no such thing as a definitive order. Perhaps an opinioned order. Spiderman2, while entertaining (and I also loved those scenes you mentioned), is by no means a gold standard. If hard pressed, I'd say BB, but I've been saying that it doesn't even belong with most comic book movies, especially since it's more of a drama and the emphasis is definitely not on CG or fight scenes. I'm not even going to throw a list out there because those things are useless to most people.
FF by Neal Cassady	Jun 28th, 2005 04:04:51 PM
hi
TonyWilson, you hit the nail on the head by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 04:08:55 PM
You've summed up the problem I had with SM2 - the whole thing just seemed a bit too overwrought and too precious. At least ROTK earned its sentiment. Certainly SM2's a good, entertaining film, but the height of the genre? I don't think so.
Spidey 2 isn't the height by JUSTICE41	Jun 28th, 2005 04:24:31 PM
Spidey two was middling at best. I lost a lot of respect for that movie the moment I saw Spidey's CGI head talk when he ran out of fluid the first time. From there I was watching CGI Spidey dolls. Best Comic Book Movie? The Crow in my opinion. The original, not anything that came after. Not basing it on SFX or any of that crap Just based on the movie matching the feel of the books.. If you want to go by SFX or VFX then Shit City would be the best. Until I see spidey actually crawling all over the walls like he does in the comics, tossing out a running stream of one liners like Bruce willis in Die Hard, while interacting with the people around him as he climbs the walls then I will be a little happier. They came closer in S2 but not enough for me. The old tv show had more spidey clinging to walls than this. FF looks to have truly realized and will demonstrate the hero's full powers, not watered down versions like in X-meh. Just the torch doing that cyclone of flames bit already shows they gave them their full powers and not what early rumors said about him just flaming on his hands. That was just some idiot making fun of the Corman travesty. I'm looking forward to seeing this at least twice in the theaters and once if it's at the Imax.
"And people really need to stop acting like Spiderman 1 and 2 an by BurlIvesLeftNut	Jun 28th, 2005 04:27:47 PM
Profit... read that dictum and tell me it leaves room for other people's opinions? Quit acting like you are cock of the fucking walk, douche. God you are dumb.
Someone, ANYONE, who hated X-Men 2, show me how this was a bad f by www.valiens.com	Jun 28th, 2005 04:30:03 PM
I just don't get it. Did you haters see the same film I saw? Name a flaw! It juggled all those characters brilliantly, was fast-paced, cool, funny, smart, the effects were great, the cast was mostly great, the plot was great--this was one of the best super hero movies ever. Pretty please with sugar on top show me where I'm wrong. What in the movie didn't work to the extent that you've written off the entire film?
X-MEN 2. I don't know why some people hate it either. by TonyWilson	Jun 28th, 2005 04:44:47 PM
I guess some people have problems with the 3rd act, but I thought it was a quite a novel take on the big superhero setpiece. But I'd like to hear what was so bad that you can write it off as awful. It's flawed but, why do peole think it s such a really bad film??
Mr. Craptastic by Sparhawk38	Jun 28th, 2005 04:47:44 PM
Listen....while the Spidermans, X-mens, Hulk, Batman Begins, and Sin City may not be perfect films, they have one thing in common. People working on them who respected the material. They made a real effort to capture their vision of the characters. If people shrug their shoulders and say "What the hell, it isn't a good movie but it is OK for a summer excapism flick" we are going to get more of the same. Which will really mean less quality as the studios just chase the profit. If a movie is good...it's good, if it is less than it could be we should want and expect more. If you like the FF movie, more power to you, but don't say it wasn't very good, but so what.
my opinion.. by whatyoufear	Jun 28th, 2005 04:51:31 PM
..i'm still getting all emotional about dr. doom's organic web shooters.. i mean, T-800 Endoskeleton..
OK I'm haven't even read this article before posting.... by Enter4None	Jun 28th, 2005 05:04:33 PM
But since Harry is obviously not being paid by the FF production I can really expect something positive from him. at least not at the discustingly gross Blade 2 review......the shame!, the shame!
Wow... Who's Dumber? by Mr. Profit	Jun 28th, 2005 05:06:51 PM
Seriously, I am not here to fight. I dont fight on the internet, but if you live in the NYC area maybe we can throw telephones at each other in a hotel lobby. Anyway "You Need To Stop" or any variation of that is pretty much an expression. People say it and you shouldn't take it so literal. How the fuck to I look if I was serious? As if I am holier than thou and better than everyone. Who the fuck do I think I am? Seriously, I never seen anyone so upset by a comment. Relax, it's only a message board. I just dissed a movie, nothing more. And if you look, some people actually agree with me.
Re: Spiderman by Ray Garraty #47	Jun 28th, 2005 05:11:42 PM
I'm surprised that even MORE talkbackers here didn't complain about two specific things in the first Spiderman movie that stunk despite the fantastic first hour of the film: the awful Green Goblin effects and the climactic bridge scene, in which all suspension of disbelief, tested already by the superhero premise, is stretched to the breaking point by a 180 pound man on a hoversled holding on with one outstretched arm to a cable that is attached to a cable car weighing at least a ton. That, to me, speaks to the fact that the movie appealed to many viewers in ways other superhero movies did not and was skillfully crafted otherwise.
Hulk is the best of these movies by zekmoe	Jun 28th, 2005 05:12:17 PM
so if this is a quick and to the point effects flick, I'll love it. Hulk had the depth and realism (get a real projection system feeders) that makes repeated viewings more enjoyable. FF is more for kids, and always has been, so a quick and show the powers type movie is what is required. I took my son and nephews to Batman Begins, and although I liked it, they were bored silly for the first hour. They weren't looking for character development. They were looking for the Batmobile. My son, my nephew and myself will be looking for fire and crushed cars and smashed buildings in the FF. The character development can wait for X3
The answer would be the guy who thinks sarcasm and subtle hyperb by BurlIvesLeftNut	Jun 28th, 2005 05:57:14 PM
And frankly, I get irritated with anyone who claims their view is the ONLY view... like that asshat who said SM2 was the gold standard of comic movies. We all know that Howard the Duck is the only movie that could bear that description.
Well...the first guy's review was pretty valid by Ribbons	Jun 28th, 2005 06:12:43 PM
Yes, he was trying to be cute, but most of what he had to say about the movie should also be taken into account. If they really did skimp on the character development, that's a shame, because the FF are pretty clearly drawn characters and you could've done a lot with them, even in the course of one movie. Eh well.
Oh, and... by Ribbons	Jun 28th, 2005 06:14:41 PM
...they have a clip of "extreme sports Johnny" up on Yahoo.com, and if you haven't seen it, or if you're still one of those folks who thinks that all the X Games cross-pollination is okay because "Johnny's a thrill seeker in the comics," go ahead and watch it. It's incredibly lame and tedious.
who the hell cheers for a trailer by josh_strapp	Jun 28th, 2005 07:25:55 PM
i mean seriously you're saying people are that easily impressed. wow
Nice little quit taken from IMDB(extreme sarcasm below) by Terry_1978	Jun 28th, 2005 08:22:30 PM
Hi, I've only seen the trailer, but based on those thirty seconds of footage I feel I am able to form a well informed, thoughtful, and insightful critique of the entire movie. First: Jessica Alba isn't Arian enough to be the invisible girl. Lord knows how disappoining it is when an actor or actress doesn't fit my exact mental image of a character that has been rendered dozens of ways by dozens of different artists. I nearly goose stepped a circle in my carpet, I was so upset about this. Second: The thing is in a rubber suit. Actors in makeup just are not believable anymore. Give me my cgi! Which of course I would also have complained about, because it wouldn't have lived up to the incredible standards set by Golum from LotR. Third: The dialog is corny! I don't want ANY comic relief in a movie based on a...comic book. Afterall, aren't comics all for middle aged, paunchy men like me, not kids? Playful banter and corny lines might actually make it more accessable to people who aren't fans of super heroes, or the genre, and we can't have that. Fourth: The explanation of the Invisible Girl's powers is like, totally unrealistic. I will now be completely unable to suspend my disbelief every time she uses her powers to protect a guy that can stretch like a rubber band, a guy that flies and bursts into flames, and a guy made out of rocks and can stop a semi doing 60 mph. Fifth: The director has no experience with this genre. Look how badly a schlock gore movie director adjusted to fantasy in LotR! Those movies were a financial and critical disaster! Anyway, there's tons more, but I'm getting tired of typing. Hope you enjoyed my insightful observations as much as I enjoy hearing my own voice, reading my own posts, and ****ing people off!
... by SoonerSean	Jun 28th, 2005 08:51:38 PM
I'll see F4 b/c I'm a fan of the book... but the The Thing just isn't good enough as a man in a rubber suit. This is a character that SCREAMS for CGI work. A big massive BOULDER of a character. The fact that the actor and rubber suit don't pull of the massive brow of The Thing that we know and love is bad enough... but the fact that he's nowhere big enough is a real loss for this film._________________________ ______________________________ ______________________________ _________As for Spider-Man 2... am I the only one that noticed that the only villain in the movie vanishes for a huge chunk of time and no on screen character seems to notice? Honestly... a guy with metal tentacles arrives, trashes the town, almost kills Aunt Mae and Spider-Man, then he leaves and no one cares. Peter Parker can't wait to give up the hero-gig long enough to catch Doc Ock? Give me a break.
You want to see Harry backpeddle? Wait till this makes more $$$ by Triumph poops!	Jun 28th, 2005 09:01:58 PM
Wait and see. The amiable, lighthearted tone of this combined with some nice effects work and a decent "origin adventure" movie (where you feel like you got your money's worth) will actually push FF past BATMAN at the box office. The whole cast was on the TODAY show today and there is just a more fun, accessible spirit permeating the FF movie. I actually think it's going to surprise people and do much, much better at the box office than many predict -- Harry included. At which point I can't wait to read his next column ranting and raving over how the general public chose the FF and Tim Story's vision as the better movie over BATMAN and Nolan's...
Wow by Ribbons	Jun 28th, 2005 09:36:27 PM
Hey, "ICQPIMP," get that sand out of your thong and stop talking about me when I have nothing to do with your point. I'm not an apologist, but at least I'm not a professional asshole. Learn to condense all your inane rants into one post so they're easier to skip over next time.
wtf? by Ribbons	Jun 28th, 2005 10:37:36 PM

AICN's treatment of the FF borders on the god damn ridiculou by LordEnigma	Jun 28th, 2005 10:50:55 PM
Seriously, this whole site has been out to take a piss on FF for close to a year. Now we have Harry doing the most pathetic bit of business in the world; TALKING ABOUT THE SCRIPT. Dude wants to be a producer but cant grasp the process. Utterly ridiculous. This flick never got a fair shake from this site. Nor would I expect that little rich boy Zod to get this film. Let alone criticize it. He has never proven to have much more ability than to drink and eat during late night periods.
RED WEED by Darth Philbin	Jun 28th, 2005 10:55:33 PM
this is a red weed movie. smoke up some of that shit before you see it and who give a goddamn if you are watching hulks or robots or ben affleck. shit i saw short-round dancing on my fucking china cabinet.
I really want to love this... by kenobi82	Jun 28th, 2005 11:18:07 PM
but the trailers make it hard to get excited. It really looks like a 3rd rate X-Men ripoff, which is sad. Maybe if they had followed the tone of the earlier comics, as opposed to the Ultimate series, this would have been something. But now, its another stinker in the heap of bad comic book movies. www.kidcavalier.com
Stop trying to act cool by dissing movies you guys sound like ol by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 28th, 2005 11:26:41 PM
Does anybody like anything anymore? Every post "Spider man movies are fucking gay", "X-Men suck", "BB's action was too fast" who cares!!! Do any of you guys sit down and just enjoy movies or does everything have to be serious? Maybe if you guys didn't take this shit so seriously it wouldn't suck so much. It's like any movie that isn't directed by Peter Jackson is utter crap on this site. Guess what I loved both Spider-man movies. Had a great time watching both X-Men movies, thought the Hulk was actually better than I expected. Think Batman Begins is one the best movies of the year because it didn't bow down for kid approval, and I bet I'm going to enjoy the fuck out of FF because I like the cast and it looks fun.
Sooner Sean by Ribbons	Jun 28th, 2005 11:27:36 PM
"As for Spider-Man 2... am I the only one that noticed that the only villain in the movie vanishes for a huge chunk of time and no on screen character seems to notice? Honestly... a guy with metal tentacles arrives, trashes the town, almost kills Aunt Mae and Spider-Man, then he leaves and no one cares. Peter Parker can't wait to give up the hero-gig long enough to catch Doc Ock? Give me a break." ---- Heh. Good point.
thanks Nintendo by oisin5199	Jun 28th, 2005 11:43:17 PM
for turning a reasoned, sober opinion of someone like TonyWilson into a juvenile "this movie sucks" attitude. I think if you look at his posts (or even Justice41), nowhere did he say Spiderman 2 sucked. He had some problems with it as did I, but you've gladly brought the conversation down to the lowest common denominator. And you managed to be a vulgar sexist, racist, queerbasher all at once. Kudos! You hated BB, yet you saw it TWICE? If you think anyone takes you seriously, you're fairly delusioned. But hey, that's why this site exists so people like you can mindlessly vent. So once again, I say congratulations!
I'm So There!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Odeonandthekid	Jun 28th, 2005 11:54:11 PM
Yeah baby!
Every summer has that one flop...that one movie which could but by Bong	Jun 28th, 2005 11:59:46 PM
This is the one
I know who's Silver Surfer is!!..Billy zane bitches by FinalSolace	Jun 29th, 2005 12:19:01 AM
yep billy sane would be my number one choice. wearing a giant blue gimp suit to super impose liquid mirror effects on.
Ps- Spiderman 2 sucked- not for bad reasons it just made me yaw by FinalSolace	Jun 29th, 2005 12:21:52 AM

This film is going to be a bomb! by Rogue_Leader	Jun 29th, 2005 12:24:06 AM
This is the Catwoman of 2005. Mark my words.
Is it really that suprising? by Yellow Belly	Jun 29th, 2005 12:31:55 AM
The Fantastic Four were and will always be the most corny 'heroes' drawn on paper. So is it any suprise that their transfer to the big screen would be met with complete mediocrity? Someone wanted to turn it into a comedy for god's sake. These characters just don't fit the day and age we live in, and The Human Torch yelling "flame on!" is a good example of this.
Sounds like a lot of haters are going to eat crow. All the revie by The Founder	Jun 29th, 2005 01:14:59 AM
they enjoyed it, but don't want to admit it, so they'll really hark on the weak points of the movie. Pathetic! I was never expecting FOX to get the F4 right, but it looks like they adapted it better then expected.
F4 time by Nomad817	Jun 29th, 2005 01:17:38 AM
Why can't they put them in the time period they're from instead of updating it, I like all the "cold war science" whatever you want to call it from old comics and science fiction, I probably would have liked Hulk better too if it was more like that.
What's with the Hate with Batman by Lukecash	Jun 29th, 2005 01:56:03 AM
Eveyone I talked to LOVED the movie. A hell of a lot more than they loved the Hulk, Daredevil or any other lame ass movies. Really. I don't think this is going to do well..considering WOW is coming out.
Ribbons by zabbadoo	Jun 29th, 2005 01:58:50 AM
Yeah, god forbid that in a movie about the Hulk we should want more smashy smashy and less Nick Nolte's thespianic scenery chewing. You'se fucking guys! Whats wrong wit chu! They have a 12 foot 1200 pound superstrong indestructible angry dude, what a waste that they never included the scene of him reading fucking poetry about trees!
sarcasm lando by Nomad817	Jun 29th, 2005 01:59:03 AM
Everything on his list were sarcastic remarks, trying to show people who complain that this director doesnt know this material might be wrong.
Landoasskissian by zabbadoo	Jun 29th, 2005 02:01:38 AM
Haha you are a moron! Next time read the f'ing subject line "(extreme sarcasm below)". Imbicile.
zabbadoo by Ribbons	Jun 29th, 2005 02:13:13 AM
You can get "smashy smashy" in any fucking generic summer movie you want. I'm not saying 'Hulk' was the shit, but a bunch of stuff blowing up real good wouldn't have made it any better. I love how people are outraged that they didn't "honor the character they love" by making the movie into another outlet for pent-up aggression. Go see the fucking Punisher and see how well that turned out for yourself.
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Good Enough to Survive? by Roboteer	Jun 29th, 2005 07:08:57 AM
For a sequel that is. That's the question 'cause critics are sure to beat up on the flat characters and continuity problems. Then again an FF2 would not be better without changes. The Corman travesty had one good thing that this version couldn't pull off.... with far less capable actors, it had a poignant moment when an older Reed obviously in love with jail bait Sue, waited for her to grow up and marry. Where's the heart in this one or anything to make us care about the characters. To cut this version so short, one can only imagine how bad it was with the chopped up scenes. Thing is, this was supposed to be Story's strength. Maybe if he had spent more time studying what turned fans on to the FF, and less time trying to turn this into THE WIZ..... Arad's done a lot of great things lately, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.
Excuse my ignorance Childe. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 29th, 2005 08:15:12 AM
But still, the new version does not look like a hard crust either. I always thought their alterations depended on where they were when the rays struck. Grimm was behind some space rock/debris, Sue behind special space glass, Reed behind a rubber tube etc.
Anyone who praises THE HULK while slamming BATMAN BEGINS and the by SpyGuy	Jun 29th, 2005 09:23:10 AM
What, am I to believe that THE HULK was a good film because it attempted to be dramatic? The same film that had annoying-as-hell "comic book panel" split-screen shots that killed any narrative flow the movie might have had? The same film that turned Bruce Banner's abusive trauma at the hands of his father that creates the Hulk persona into "Love Me Daddy, Even Though You're a Third-Rate Excuse for the Absorbing Man"? Yes, Christopher Nolan sucks at directing fight scenes and yes, Raimi lays on the sappiness extra thick at times, but BATMAN BEGINS and the SPIDER-MAN films have more heart and solid performances in one single act than THE HULK had during the entire film. Those films also had better scripts, which is why you can quote lines from them, unlike THE HULK, which (apart from "Don't make me angry...") you need to look up on imdb.com. Oh, and as for the FANTASTIC FOUR, it probably will do better financially than BATMAN BEGINS. It's geared toward the MTV crowd, which means it's bunch of soulless glitz, but you can take your kids to it. In fact, it's such a generic Hollywood product, I'm surprised Will Smith isn't starring in it as Mr. Fantastic. "We gotta stop a dude callin' himself 'Doctor Doom'? Aw, HELLLLLL no."
How Could This Movie Be Fantastic? by SpankTMonkey	Jun 29th, 2005 10:26:20 AM
I dread seeing this film, not becuase of the hype and trailers, the trailers look pretty good actually, but BECAUSE I am such a fan of the original work that there's no way they could modernize it and make it work well. This movie SHOULD have been a period piece, set in the mid to late sixties, making the same "cold war" style statement that the original work did. Truely some of Stan Lee's BEST writing blended with the sheer imaginative genius of Kirby. Setting these characters up in the sixties, even having them race against the Russians for the moon, using The Red Ghost and his monkeys, even bump into the blue spot on the moon and meeting The Watcher, THAT would ahve been Fantastic, and would have made for a Fantastic origin story, leaving Dr. Doom for the sequel, thus giving the character a true chance to breathe, would have been the way I would have taken it, but then I'm just a monkey...
I'm so sick of people telling my WHY I must not have liked by Sayhey Kid	Jun 29th, 2005 10:37:13 AM
...The Hulk. Spider-Man and Batman didn't show up until half way through the movie in their respective origin films either...yet, somehow, these movies didn't bore the fuck out of me. I wasn't wanting a "Hulk Smash" film, I didn't want a poorly written superhero film pretending to be a "drama." Oooo, he's brooding...they're talking about his childhood...this must be deep. And Spider-Man 2 didn't "rip-off" Superman 2 douche bags. Raimi was paying homage to those movies...from the opening credit recap this is obvious. Well, maybe not obvious to you...you probably thought you had noticed something clever. I've seen nothing about FF that doesn't look like it will be fun.
Spiderman2/Superman2 by TonyWilson	Jun 29th, 2005 11:34:28 AM
You don't pay homage to a film by recycling it's major plot to add some depth your own film. I didn't think I had noticed something clever, because it's pretty damn fucking obvious mate. Most film magazines in the UK mentioned it aswell.
Batman Begins was great even with it's minor problems. But n by Mr. Profit	Jun 29th, 2005 11:38:51 AM
There is no reason for Batman 2(?) to be weak. And so what if he was Batman an hour into the film? The film is a great origin story.
"Mother is the word for God on the lips of children." by occams_razor	Jun 29th, 2005 12:13:19 PM
I remember when I was 15 and the Crow was the shit to me and my friends cause Bruce Lee's son died making the movie. Well, I'm 24 now and I recently caught it on TBS at 2 am and about thirty minutes into it I started to chuckle and changed the channel to a Fairly Odd Parents rerun. Maybe it's getting older but the movie is kinda lame to me, so was the comic, for that matter. Though I still have my copy of the soundtrack.
Nintendo by lofe101	Jun 29th, 2005 12:21:17 PM
Sweet Jesus nintendo. do you like anything, or is it that you hate your self so you half to bash everything and everyone. Im glad OISIN5199 wrote back to your sorry ass. maybe if you stop playing video games and got your dick wet for once you might be alittle happier and excitted about things. quick crying about everything and end your racist remarks, no tolerence for that over here.
"Haha you are a moron! Next time read the f'ing subject line by DR mandrake	Jun 29th, 2005 12:21:28 PM
If your going to comment on someone's intelligence, you should try to spell it right. Imbecile
batman begins....to fight by oisin5199	Jun 29th, 2005 12:38:18 PM
Not to bring it back to BB, but in the sequel...I still won't care about Batman fight scenes. Seeing a guy dressed in a bat suit trying to have a proper fight is silly at best. Just ask Adam West. I think Nolan did it right - he's not super-strong, he works by "misdirection and theatricality" - it's actually a theme in the movie if you pay attention. I have no desire to see another Batman/Joker fight scene ala Keaton and Nicholson. And I certainly have no interest in generic henchman, especially ones in uniform. Instead, I hope the next movie explores Wayne's slipping sanity to mirror the Joker. I hope the Joker TOTALLY fucks with his head and makes Wayne question why he's doing everything. The Joker is also not super strong, so he works through psychological methods. And how cool would it be to have a moment like the end of "Killing Joke", when the Joker tells a sick joke that's relevant to their relationship and they both crack up. Move it to Arkham as Batman visits him and offers him help. To end on that note would be so great - sick and dark.
As I feared, Dr. Doom is COMPLETELY screw up! by Daredevil	Jun 29th, 2005 01:06:15 PM
Besides rehashing Green Goblin's story in Spider-Man, it sounds like they are even trashing the very essence of Dr. Doom's character by having him go crazy. That's the Joker, Green Goblin, even Bullseye. But Dr. Doom? He's supposed to be the OPPOSITE of crazy. He's supposed to be Professor Moriarty: smart, intelligent, calculating, logical, and FULLY IN CONTROL OF HIS MIND! He's a bad guy. Not a normal person who went bad because they went crazy, he's a full on evil villain who wants to take over the world because he WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. Oh, and the Man-Thing was not as bad as Catwoman.
Sayhey by Ribbons	Jun 29th, 2005 01:19:45 PM
Hey, I'm not telling you that you MUST like the 'Hulk.' I said that the people who didn't like it for the sole reason that it didn't have enough Hulk Smash for their tastes piss me off. I know that it sucked anyway. Yeesh.
Nintendon't by Agent sith	Jun 29th, 2005 01:29:27 PM
WTF is with those sick comments you racist ass hater? Jesus juice! I wouldn't see a movie just because a "brotha" or "boricqua" is directing it,what matters is the movie is any good regardless who was behind it. I think the Justice league unlimited series,is one of the best animated series since Spawn. these aforementioned shows were predominatly scripted by Mc duffy and Mc elroy who are both Black. not irish lol)So in the meantime, i'll reserve judgement on the Ff until i actually see it next week. and for those who were quick to diss(miss) DD, should take a look at the director's cut, which IMO should have been the original theatrical release.
Spider-Man 2/Superman 2 by Sayhey Kid	Jun 29th, 2005 03:06:26 PM
I guess Superman one ripped off the story of MOSES then... I'm glad the UK papers caught on to the similarities...maybe there's hope for them. My point is that is was made CLEAR what they were doing with Spider-Man 2...from the opening flashbacks to their variation on losing powers (which has been done in the comics multiple times). It wasn't veiled plagiarism like Point Break/Fast and the Furious. And there's a difference between someone being angry at those who simply wanted "Hulk Smash" and stating that the ONLY people who didn't like it were those with those expectations...which is normally what is intimated.
When reviewers start by saying Hulk was one of the bad ones, ACN by chien_sale	Jun 29th, 2005 04:27:50 PM
It`s like somebody saying:"here`s my Star Wars 3 review but let me tell you that Episode 1 was one my favorite film of all time". The guy killed his relevance right there and should comit suicide.
So now you're telling me what I intimated? by Ribbons	Jun 29th, 2005 05:41:58 PM
I don't think that 'Hulk' is a very good movie, all things considered. I'm sorry you got overly defensive and went off on me for a perceived affront to your own opinions, but I don't know how to make it any clearer than "those who wanted to see more HULK SMASH"....
You must be a self-hating bastard, moviemack... by Childe Roland	Jun 29th, 2005 05:49:59 PM
...or you clearly aren't paying attention to what I'm typing if you think I remind you of you. I'm just doing for the "the Thing is supposed to be made of rocks!" crowd the same thing I did for you during all those Batman Begins talkbacks. I'm advising them not to let their personal perceptions of the character color their opinions of the film before they see it. The difference is, you were basing your opinions on some things that actually had been established in the comics (the white eyes, the non-armored bat-suit, the whatever kind of batmobile you were advocating) even if they weren't consistently or universally applied concepts. At no time in the history of the FF has anyone established that the Thing is "made of rocks." On the contrary, as I've demonstrated by pointing out this site -- http://www.marveldirectory.com /individuals/t/thing.htm -- and others, the Thing started off very lumpy and relatively smooth. If you read the history of the character or get a hold of some of those back issues and read them for yourself, you'll see that the FF film got the Thing's original (key word - ORIGIN) appearance pretty much right. Go ahead and debate that point with me, moviemack. I dare you. If they'd made him appear rocky, I'd be fine with that, too. How is that possible? Because he did have a craggy appearance in the later comics (just like I was fine with the Begins batmobile looking like the Dark Knight Returns batmobile). I know you have trouble with understanding how the look of a character will change with the passage of time, but even you have to admit that for people to dismiss the lumpier non-craggy appearance of the Thing as inaccurate or wrong because "he's supposed to be made of rocks" is more ignorant than your constant bitching and moaning about how Batman's eyes don't look the way you think they ought to look. Now go home and get your shinebox.
Spider-Man 2/Superman 2 by TonyWilson	Jun 29th, 2005 08:14:28 PM
I hear you mate. I do, however, think that the similarities are too substantial to ignore. I know that there have been comics where Spidey has lost his powers and indeed there have been one's in Supes has aswell. But what I think the problem is, is that in Superman he chooses to lose his powers because of a woman. Looking at it like that then, the film just recycles the plot and themes of Superman 2.
Ribbons... by Sayhey Kid	Jun 29th, 2005 09:22:39 PM
The Hulk Smash was not aimed directly at you, but to people like the post way at the top about most people wanting "Hulk Smash" and dumb America etc. This is what is normally intimated, not necessarily by you. I recognize the similarities Tony, but I think Spidey losing his powers was more than just a woman...it was affecting his entire life and he was becoming "sick." But, if they were going to borrow from another movie, at least they picked a good one with Superman 2. We could've gotten Chris Rock as a computer employee stealing fractions of dollars :)
moviemack... by Sayhey Kid	Jun 29th, 2005 09:31:41 PM
Can you please remind us again how you predicted Batman would suck? I mean, with the overwhelming positive reaction from fans who've seen the movie across multiple sites, as well as being well received by critics, I don't think you've quite converted some of us. Maybe if you posted it sucks a few more times a couple of its defenders will start to believe it. You were wrong. Deal with it. Wasn't this movie "old news" and you were too busy "getting laid" to comment on it anymore, anyway?
summer o' shit movies. maybe 2006 will be better - oh wait by flipster	Jun 30th, 2005 12:27:14 AM

I pretty much agree with spy guy by bigcheckonthat	Jun 30th, 2005 12:48:38 PM
erm, that's all.
Reviewers... remove your lips from Harry's ass. by attizachi420	Jul 4th, 2005 12:30:22 AM
Why don't you imbeciles stop already. The first review is so obviously from a lonely reject who is craving a fathers love. He is so eager to be in with Harry he has lost all sense of self. As for Harry himself, dude you are making yourself look like an Asshole everytime you bash this film. It smacks of a huge bunch of sour grapes your choking down your fat face. I for one am looking forward to seeing Fantastic Four with my wife and kids, munching popcorn and remembering just how lucky a man I am for having kids that I can share this most American of genre film with. As for all you morons that are pissing on this film prior to seeing it. Fuck Off, put down your mint condish copy of Fantastic Four Unlimited, turn off the Playstation, stop casting X-3 in your head and go out and find some companionship. Hey I'm a comic, Movie, Music geek from way back in the 70's and 80's it is so much easier to live with yourself when you finally realize that this shit is just entertainment. Some great some not, but entertainment. The Force is not a religion, there is no such place as Middle Earth and you can search NYC for the next century and your never going to find The Daily Bugle or The Baxter Building.

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