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New FANTASTIC FOUR trailer hits and it sucks the least out of all of them!

I'm actually looking forward to this one... by HattoriGonzo	Jun 15th, 2005 11:38:25 PM
... So sue me...
It doesn't look bad by chrth	Jun 15th, 2005 11:39:37 PM
But we'll see what the word is as we get closer to release...
Oh look, another geek with expectations, and who hates Alba. Yo by LordEnigma	Jun 15th, 2005 11:39:49 PM
Seriously, Alba rules. You can accept her in that piece of fucking rotting and stinking shit known as Sin City. Yet as the Invisible Woman, you cant? Illogical bullshit like this makes me utterly despise geeks and never want to be cast in with this accursed lot. And dont go bringing up "then why are you posting here if you are not a geek" bollocks. I love film, and appreciate it. The FILM should come before the GEEK when refering to this site. Even if all the people running it fulfill the appearance, height, and weight requirements. Stop bashing a film before you see it. Have some fucking faith and stop letting your EXPECTATIONS lead you around.
Giddy UP by immortalsix	Jun 15th, 2005 11:41:04 PM
Four times the fun... we'll see.
The Tide of Excellence is turning... by Retlaw Kciuq	Jun 15th, 2005 11:41:54 PM
Does anyone besides my best friend (who wouldn't quit starring at me during Batman Begins) give a crap about this piece of shat? I
A newbie... first? by HattoriGonzo	Jun 15th, 2005 11:44:16 PM
I hadn't realized... Heavens to Murgatroid, several of you must be wringing your hands in angst as I type. Anyway, back to the movie, I think it'll be good. I don't see the need to shit on it before its even been released. Just think about 15 years agon when we could only dream of all the comic adaptations we're getting today. Man... when this place gets a rep as being 75% filled with self-important dicks, it's well warranted.
Still looks kind of meh, but my kids are looking foward to it. by Big Bad Clone	Jun 15th, 2005 11:45:57 PM
But then my son wants to watch the Hulk movie very single day. My fault for raising his Geek Orthodox (lol...boy, I need sleep)
I still think it looks good by DerLanghaarige	Jun 15th, 2005 11:47:01 PM

it could be ALOT worse... by teddanson37	Jun 15th, 2005 11:50:34 PM
i recently saw (in part) the old FF movie (the one that never made it to theaters) and i couldn't watch that crap. this looks like it will actually be worth watching. of course what do i know...i'm one of the seven or eight people out there who really enjoyed dare devil. i was a huge comics fan as a kid but i never got into the fantastic four (spent most of my time with batman, spidey, and the X-titles). i am kinda familiar with them due to crossovers...but not dr. doom. i don't really understand what is different between the film version of doom and the comics. (except for the whole ruler of a made-up country thing that just wouldn't work in any serious movie)
Batman Begins is already this year's Spidey 2 and Incredible by Funmazer	Jun 15th, 2005 11:55:53 PM
...as in very, very overrated by the press, geeks and reviewers, but likely not by the general public. Yet, still, [BB] is not even nearly as good as those 2 films, so, yeah... Tell Chris Nolan to back the camera up about 5-7 feet whilst shooting fight scenes and maybe I'd change my mind. And get a decent score and don't rush the ending.
I know you didn't just diss Alba by RezE11even	Jun 16th, 2005 12:00:07 AM
I'd rather have the hottest woman alive play her than a more comic book accurate middle aged bipolar bitch.
Had anyone else noticed... by Knightsong	Jun 16th, 2005 12:00:53 AM
Has anyone else noticed that they show little to nothing of Reed doing his super-power thing? This is what scare's me about the movie. Aside from a few arm stretches that look so-so and one quick body stretch, they havn't shown anything. Are they keeping this as their ace in the hole to shock and amaze everyone, or is there really nothing to see?
Am I nuts or is this the exact same trailer that played before R by Grando	Jun 16th, 2005 12:02:49 AM
As for all the hating? If you seriously think that Alba isn't good casting.... well I would be questioning my sexuality. Put it that way.
I knew somebody was going to try and be cool by dissing Batman B by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 16th, 2005 12:05:16 AM
You're not cool for not liking something that is good. I'll make comments about Fantastic Four when I see it.
Charlize Theron should've been Sue Storm. by quantum_ken	Jun 16th, 2005 12:17:00 AM
Just like I know Mr. Fantastic should've been anyone but Horatio Hornblower.
I actually give a shit about this... by LeckoManiac	Jun 16th, 2005 12:22:06 AM
I am actually looking forward to this...the action looks cool to me and The Human Torch looks AWESOME!!! Also, The Thing isn't look as bad as I originally thought...so sign me up...you bet your ass its four times the fun!
Anyone seriously pissed about X3... by dirkcalloway	Jun 16th, 2005 12:25:44 AM
should boycott this movie and all the others by Fox over the next year. Don't give these fuckers a cent. Don't buy any of there dvd's, and don't spend your hard earned dough to see shit like this in the theatres. F Rothman...F 20th Century Fox...and F anyone who supports this shit. Go rent Honey if you want to see Alba looking fine. This movie looks crap anyway.
I guess they had to put together a slightly better trailer by Thirteen 13	Jun 16th, 2005 12:26:12 AM
seeing how everyone pretty much thinks this one is gonna stink Schumacher style. And while the trailer was slightly better, I knew it. I just knew it. three quarters of the way through I actually thought I was going to make it through the whole trailer without them showing cars twisting in midair, or those dumbass fratboy pickup lines the human torch does. I almost made it too, until the final 3 seconds, and they just HAD to squeeze in the twisting cars and dumbass Fratboy pickup lines. 3 seconds to go and they squeezed it in. Almost made it. Damn.
Who no STRETCHO? by Calico Pete	Jun 16th, 2005 12:30:44 AM
23.8 trailers for this thing and still no major Mr. Fantastic effect shots other than him sticking his hand under a door? Fer chrissakes already... is he in the movie or what?!
summer, summer, summer... by suddendeath	Jun 16th, 2005 12:43:27 AM
Despite all the negativity surrounding so many movies this summer, I gotta tell, I'm looking forward to it. FF looks pretty cool IMHO, def going to see Batman this weekend and despite Cruise being a looney-tune over the last month - I'm pumped for WOTW. You gotta admit... it's gonna be a fun one. Oh yeah... and EPIII already rocked.
If we're going to argue about accuracy, well for starters as by Shan	Jun 16th, 2005 12:45:08 AM
... are far too often portrayed as too young in most movies. Typically, they're often people with multiple degrees and they're in their mid 30's or older. One of the space missions to fix the Hubble telescope some years back had one astronaut aged 37 (the youngest) and the rest were more than 40 years old. You see where I'm going with this? This lot all look far too young to have been astronauts. Oh yes, if you go into space and get bombarded with sufficient radiation, you'd probably die in space or die later from cancer or whatever instead of getting cool surprisingly useful superpowers (as opposed to the more likely non-specific and useless mutations) ... so how far do we want to go with this accuracy thing? ...
Shan... by dirkcalloway	Jun 16th, 2005 12:50:52 AM
When dealing with a movie where 5 people go to space....and get mutated by space radiation...one becoming elastic, one inviasbale, one turning into fire, one into rock and one into metal...the last fucking thing you need to be questioning is their age. This movies gonna suck and blow...at the same time. I say we all go see Batman again.
They can't be serious by Mr.Klaw	Jun 16th, 2005 12:51:14 AM
I had great hopes for this project. Chilkis as the Thing? Great! Alba as Sue Storm? Well, ok...it can work. A lot of other folk? Well, it worked for X-Men! And then I saw the first trailer. And the one after that. And the new one. What a gloriosity of suckitude. Thing doesn't even growl "It's clobberin time" for shit. If it's a money issue, couldn't they've gotten Tom Waits or even Stone Cold Steve Austin to redo just that line? I won't talk about Reed and Sue and Johnny. From what I see in the trailiers, Reed's barely plausible, Sue is Jessica Alba, and Johnny is a smartass..ok, they were bound to get one thing right. But Doom sucks like...well, nothing I know of. Episode I, maybe. I'm no purist. I could ALMOST forgive putting him on the shuttle. But when I saw that paper-mache armor trying to look menacing, my first thought was that the Corman Doom looked better. Which, if you've seen the film, he did. I'm not saying that the Corman flick was good, but at least they tried to not fuck with 40 years of memories. Klaw, Klacking, Klacked
"Clobber Yer Mouse" by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:03:39 AM
Heh. Also, while I'd be surprised if this movie turns out to be any good, some of the arguments against it are kind of "specious."
Knightsong by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:08:09 AM
No, I noticed it too. Your guess is as good as mine on that one. And you geeks don't realize how truly spoiled you've become to compare this to Schumacher's pieces of bat crap. 'Cause, you know, I'm sure the FF will pull out their American Express cards and say "Never leave home without it" right after taking out a neon-clad Moleman.
thanks LordEnigma. Sin City was truly a pile of shit by SirBiatchReturns	Jun 16th, 2005 01:14:21 AM
unlike this. Honestly, i'm more psyched for this movie than Batman Begins, although a friend of mine has seen it, and he says its ridiculously good. The Human Torch looks fucking amazing in this. They pretty much sold me on that. Chris Evans looks like he nailed it down perfectly. I'm loving the Invisible Woman effects so far. i was afraid that Alba would mess up but so far, i keep seeing goodness. Yeah... Mr. Fantastic looks kinda mediocre so far. they haven't shown shit of what he can do. and The Thing... well... that truck crashing into him is shot perfectly, but i wonder if they'll show him doing any other cool stuff. All in all, this looks like what a comic book movie should be. It is fun, doesn't seem to take itself too seriously, does not seem to be full of crappy melodrama and pseudo-dark fanboy cravings. Hopefully it will be good.
"Oh, you're hot" by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:14:44 AM
Dammit does that cheese me off. His temperature is fucking 209 degrees, and all you have to say is 'Oh, you're hot?!?!?' Understatement of the decade and a horrible, horrible set-up to a horrible, horrible punchline. Same with the "Is that a trick question?" line. What the hell does that even mean?
The Summer by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:23:31 AM
Can't complain so far. Hell, we even got a Miyazaki movie.
If they hadn't fucked-up Dr. Doom, I'd be all on board by halfmadjesus	Jun 16th, 2005 01:29:32 AM
I suspect FF is going to play pretty well to Joe Average Moviegoer and his kids - maybe not as well to Geek Nation. Really, the only issue I've had all along is Doom on the space station and Doom getting "armor powers" along with the rest of the group. Do I see how this set-up streamlines the narrative and makes the ultimate conflict more personal? Yes, I do. But I also see how it cornholes one of the most complex bad guys in comics, one of the greatest characters in ANY media, and turns him into a simple villain. In my humble opinion, Doom is the most interesting character of the whole bunch. You don't alter him to fit more efficiently into the FF's world - if anything, it's the other way around. Translated as accurately from the comics as humanly possible, Doom would leave an impression on a generation of moviegoers much like Darth Vader did back in the day. What's the old saying? "A hero is only as good as his/her level of opposition?" In the FF's case, this is very, very true. I plan on seeing FF anyway, but I also plan on having it put me in a tooth-grinding rage over this very issue. Even if they nail all the other characters spot-on, a wishy-washy, half-accurate version of Dr. Doom will be the piss in the punch.
well, it looks no worse than the first x-men film. by cloudrider`	Jun 16th, 2005 01:29:34 AM
honestly. the first trailer and posters for the first x-men didnt excite me. at all. the costumes i thought, and still think, are poorly designed. and yet, since it was directed by geeks' darling, singer, you geeks seemed to turn a blind eye to those factors. nothing it seemed can dampen your anticipation. it's to be the greatest film, the comeback of superhero films, and you're gonna love it no matter what. and now, look at harry... it's obvious to me he has a vendetta against FF. "oh, the poster is bad, they should have done it my way." "that barbershop guy is stupid, he should set the film in the 60's, like I envisioned it." "oh, the lighting in this picture of ben in a bar is WRONG WRONG WRONG(it's a PROMO photo, no less; i remember you guys thought the promo pic of saruman in his tower looks like something out of batman & robin)." then of course, harry has to back up his distaste for the movie by posting a negative review of the FF book adaptation, and no doubt if he could post negative reviews of the film now, he would do it. i mean, why? it's not like you KNOW what constitues a good film! hellboy was praised to high heaven here, and it was a mediocre piece of shit. blade 2 and daredevil made you cum, and those were, again, mediocre pieces of shit. you love x-men, and i thought it was also mediocre at best(i love my x-men2 though). so, i guess what i am saying is dont let harry influence you on what is gonna be good or bad. for all i care, FF might be this year's batman & robin, but at least make up your own damn mind until you see it. i'm just sick of harry's biased and lame ass attempt to crucify or overhyped a film based on his personal feeling.
Dirk ... by Shan	Jun 16th, 2005 01:31:52 AM
My point exactly ... if we want to attack the film because it's not like the comic origin, where are we going to stop then with our complaints? Mind you, if it turns out to have a shonky script, well yes, it may totally blow chunks and it is fair to complain about changes if they're all for the worse (see Ring Two, The vs Ringu 2 vs Rasen (movie) vs Rasen (book) - Progressive trend downwards of). Also, it's a general thing with a lot of movies in space, even the real-world ones, a lot of people just look far too young to be astronauts.
Fast and the Furion by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:33:19 AM
It's basically the same as far as I know except the funding for the space voyage did not come from Doom and, natch, he was not on the ship. The part people seem to be getting their knickers in a twist about is that in the comics, Dr. Doom is a despotic leader of a third-world country, an old rival of Reed Richards who blew his face off in college and who returned to his home, stopping along the way for a little education in the dark arts and a nifty green tunic. Because his ego is apparently that monstrous he seems to be more concerned with the Fantastic Four than, y'know, world affairs, and he has time and again tried to destroy Reed and woo his wife Susan with little to no success. Along the way subtextual comments are made about the triumph of scientific exploration and family over the individual ego and Big Brother dictatorships. I think.
If they hadn't fucked-up Dr. Doom, I'd be all on board by halfmadjesus	Jun 16th, 2005 01:34:19 AM
I suspect FF is going to play pretty well to Joe Average Moviegoer and his kids - maybe not as well to Geek Nation. Really, the only issue I've had all along is Doom on the space station and Doom getting "armor powers" along with the rest of the group. Do I see how this set-up streamlines the narrative and makes the ultimate conflict more personal? Yes, I do. But I also see how it cornholes one of the most complex bad guys in comics, one of the greatest characters in ANY media, and turns him into a simple villain. In my humble opinion, Doom is the most interesting character of the whole bunch. You don't alter him to fit more efficiently into the FF's world - if anything, it's the other way around. Translated as accurately from the comics as humanly possible, Doom would leave an impression on a generation of moviegoers much like Darth Vader did back in the day. What's the old saying? "A hero is only as good as his/her level of opposition?" In the FF's case, this is very, very true. I plan on seeing FF anyway, but I also plan on having it put me in a tooth-grinding rage over this very issue. Even if they nail all the other characters spot-on, a wishy-washy, half-accurate version of Dr. Doom will be the piss in the punch.
Alba by Mojo-Wan	Jun 16th, 2005 01:41:57 AM
First of all, I don't think this movie was a good idea. Second of all, as beautiful as Sin City was, it was mediocre as a movie. Third of all, Jessica Alba has the most massive hotness-to-talent ratio of any actress outside of porn. And if she won't even get nude playing a stripper, what good is she as a hottie OR an actress? By the way, I blame Rodriguez for allowing freaking NANCY to be a prude. He's gonna do frame by frame recreation of a super artsy comic, but draws the line there? That's kinda like doing a "brutally accurate" account of Jesus' last days and then casting a white guy.
You know the part where Victor throws the doctor into the glass? by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 01:43:52 AM
It's such a petty, pointless thing to do, first off; and it's so utterly unimpressive besides- shit, I could do that. Sure, the guy would probably get up and kick my ass; but there's nothing about Von Doom in that scene that makes me think the doctor couldn't get up and kick HIS ass. Stuff like that worries me about this movie.
"Translated as accurately from the comics as humanly possible, D by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:46:08 AM
I highly doubt that. As for his motivations, they're pretty much identical to those of his comic book counterpart as far as I can tell. The only thing more "complex" about the four-color version of the character is his convoluted backstory.
Stop Bitching! by tile_mcgillus	Jun 16th, 2005 01:48:07 AM
1.)Complain about the fight scenes in Batman Begins? The actual fighting is meant to be visceral and disorienting. You aren't supposed to see batman land a punch. It is meant to up the mystique and lace each shot with intimidation and confusion. This was not done in the hack knee'd approach of a lot of unskilled directors. There is a concept and a context to the methodology of this technique in this film. 2.)Dr. Doom? Doom can't be the magically powered metal suit wearing genius dictator from a European Country. You can't make that work in movieland. I am the first one to complain about respect for the source material but in this instance it could not be done. By allocating Doom to the ship and having his powers manifesting themselves similtaneously you have a cohesive plot. I personally would have had his face deform itself and he develop the metal suit but I understand the decision. It gives a point of reference for the character traits that manifest themselves in the people. P.S. Haven't slept in too long so sentence structure is FUBARed.
But Stan by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 01:50:01 AM
THEN he wouldn't get to say "I think I need a second opinion!" It's too good of a joke to pass up! SLAM! "I think I need a second opinion!" Peoria'll LOVE that one! Actually, when I heard about that scene, my knickers were in a twist, but McMahon pulls it off surprisingly well. I guess that's more of a testament to his talent as an actor than anything else.
HOWEVER, by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 01:50:03 AM
I will see this and hope for the best. Unreasonably high expectations can kill a flick like this, but I';m thinking if I go in expecting a stab at something loosely based on the FF, and done all in good fun, I might not have too bad a time.
"Doom can't be the magically powered metal suit wearing geni by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 01:59:58 AM
You know, that's a dumb objection. Sorry, and no personal offense intended, but it is. You can make anything work in "movieland". Anything at all. Audiences are DYING to see something they haven't seen before, to be asked to suspend disbelief for something really outrageous, to see a risky proposition turned into something just plain fun to watch. Nobody gives a good god damn where Doom got his powers or if he's magic or if he's the evil twin brother of Santa Claus. The premise of the movie is silly anyway. If you dumb it down out of chickenheartedness, the result will be dull. If you have faith in the source material and make it a hell of a lot of fun, no questions will be asked.
Template for 90% of Talkbacks by HattoriGonzo	Jun 16th, 2005 02:02:17 AM
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katie cough holmes cough by dr.bulber	Jun 16th, 2005 02:08:57 AM
just showing some alba love.
vic mackey is the thing by mikep	Jun 16th, 2005 02:10:24 AM
dutch should have been fire boy. cch pounder as shield girl, and ass invader as stretch man. I own you all.
Template for 10% of Talkbacks by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 02:15:29 AM
(insert handle here) has probably never gotten laid. (insert movie here) looks like fun, and you know why? Because I'm not some loser who lives in my mom's (never parents' only mom's) basement. All the while pretend that sexual expertise is a legitimate form of leverage over the opinions of other people and not just a petty means to defend opinions of yours that you feel have been threatened. Be sure to encourage those you're arguing with to get out and enjoy the world like you actually give a shit after just having reamed them, and be sure to throw in another sarcastic remark about masturbation. A lightsaber, sword, twelve-sided dice or Scarlett Johansson reference will usually do the trick nicely. Fins.
hey Ribbons by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 02:18:42 AM
"but McMahon pulls it off surprisingly well"- I just didn't think it was worth pulling off. Doom is supposed to be hatching world-domination plots, not beating up interns. I just thought it set him up on too small a scale. Then, too, in the comic Doom is faceless, which gives the mask a mysterious feel. Once you've seen the actor's face for a while, I'm worried that the mask is just going to look stiff and obstructive. Same for the thing- I like Chiklis, but I'm concerned that the nuances of his performance may not make it out from underneath the four-inch thickness of chunky peanut butter. I like the guy they got doing the Human Torch best after Chiklis- I know, he's saddled with a lot of dumb one-liners; but there's a certain amount of that in the comic too, so... Reed isn't old enough or authoritative enough- he doesn't look like a brilliant inventor; he looks like a goddam prettyboy. And I'd never have picked Jessica Alba for this. Her face just strikes me as all wrong for Sue Storm- which is subjective, I know.
ECW ppv was pretty cool by Dolmes	Jun 16th, 2005 02:25:08 AM
Francine turning up was just brilliant! Didn't expect it at all. Get night. Can you say shoot? HAHA RVD f'n rocks!
Stan by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 02:30:54 AM
Well...I didn't say it was worth pulling off. I also agree putting him in a mask will seem weird.
Template for ,01% of talkbacks... by Ribs	Jun 16th, 2005 02:43:53 AM
Just write FIRST!!! in all caps followed by lots of exclamation points and say nothing about the topic. Preferably if your post is actually second or third in line. PS: Are you really first if you have nothing to say on the topic? I don't feckin' think so...
Why does AICN have it in for FF? by MrCere	Jun 16th, 2005 02:46:06 AM
This film looks OH-KAY. It isn't the best trailer or the worst and AICN's writers are treating it like the boom mike is hanging in half the shots. Balderdash! It may well be horrible, and the Doom thing is iritating, but they are making mountains of bad news out of mole hills. Alba is great, but not for this movie. I failed to use "donkey balls" in any context here and for that I apologize.
Why this movie will suck... by Ribs	Jun 16th, 2005 02:50:28 AM
...just because I don't like the FF. It's just my opinion and has nothing to do with the quality of the filmmaking. I just think the FF are lame. Don't like 'em, never been interested in 'em, that's all. For the sake of FF fans, I hope this movie is everything they hope for, but I'd be more interested in a Flash movie.
Why do I not care about this? by sith-vol	Jun 16th, 2005 02:52:35 AM
Oh, yeah....cause it looks like its going to suck....
PS: Flash movie.... by Ribs	Jun 16th, 2005 02:53:15 AM
... Ryan Reynolds as Flash= good idea. Now add Jason Lee as Professor Zoom and we officially will be cookin' with gas.
Different Movie....Same lame bitching by CryptosporeX	Jun 16th, 2005 03:21:06 AM
Anyone recall these pre release bitches from the past. Spiderman..they are not going to have Peter Parker invent his web fluid and web shooters. Spiderman is going to suck. X-men....they are not going to have the team run around in thier bright yellow spandex. Who the hell is Hugh Jackman, It should have been Dougray Scott. X-Men is going to suck. The truth is that "magically powered metal suit wearing genius dictator Doom" would have translated to the screen as bad as yellow spandex or a high school kid inventing a substance Dow Corning would never be able to invent. It's been said thousands of times and some people still don't get it. Things that work in comic books do not always work on the big screen or fit in a two hour movie. Most of those that bitched about Spiderman and X-men, after they saw them, consider them to be among the best superhero movies made. This trailer is the best so far and makes me think this movie will work.
"never eventuated" by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 03:24:46 AM
So did you make up the word 'eventuated' because you thought it would make you sound smarter than if you said 'happened'?
"It's been said thousands of times and some people still don by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 03:33:28 AM
Since you've dropped by to repeat what's been said thousands of times, I assume you've got a lot of time on your hands. Given that, maybe you could take a moment of it to explain again- for the benefit of those of us who 'just don't get it'- why the idea of "a high school kid inventing a substance Dow Corning would never be able to invent" is ridiculous and 'wouldn't work' in a movie- but the idea of a high school kid who gets bitten by a radioactive spider and wakes up the next morning to find that he has super-strength and can walk up walls is perfectly sensible and acceptable.
wolf at the door- by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 03:37:00 AM
What a powerful argument you've made! I'm sure all the people who believed that the role should have gone to an ugly, less-talented actress have been put in their places. Beat up straw men much?
come on guys...let's not bicker. by DocMcCoy	Jun 16th, 2005 03:46:15 AM
no,LET'S.
Direct link by JacksonsBane	Jun 16th, 2005 04:04:56 AM
http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/fantastic_four/fantastic_ four-tlr3_480.mov
correction by JacksonsBane	Jun 16th, 2005 04:05:36 AM
http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/fantastic_four/fantastic_ four-tlr3_m480.mov
"eventuated" by Shan	Jun 16th, 2005 04:12:39 AM
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Is that Phil Jupitas swerving the firetruck? by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 16th, 2005 04:17:16 AM
Doesn't Invisble ladie's blast after "No lets" seem rather weak? Doom just stumbles back a tad like he's been told something mildly surprising. And that new Torch following shot is a huge rip off of Spiderman 2 as it followed Parker through the back of the truck.
Just saw the trailer....AND BOY DOES IT SUCK!!! by Mike Lovestein	Jun 16th, 2005 04:25:56 AM
This "film" looks like a piece of shit tv movie from the 80's. I know it probably cost a fortune, so my question is "WHERE THE FUCK DID ALL THE MONEY GO, ASSHOLE?!!??!" The special effects are terrible, the cast is completely lame.
Jessica Alba can SUCK MY COCK!!!! by Mike Lovestein	Jun 16th, 2005 04:36:17 AM
And get fucked in the ASS too!!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there :)
well,, it does actually look pretty entertaining by mansep	Jun 16th, 2005 04:38:13 AM
who knows.. this may just be a case of appalling early marketing almost capsizing the film before anyone's seen much of it. even if the film does turn out to be bad, the marketing team responsible for the early stuff should be flamed.
Indeed - looks fun by Barney Hood	Jun 16th, 2005 05:04:21 AM
If its just a third as good as Batman was then I'll be happy. No reason to hate this before I've seen it!
Jessica Alba has the charisma of an eagle by lostbat	Jun 16th, 2005 05:50:53 AM
These movie sucks already. This is so dissappointing and an insult for so many FF-fans. So many good people working at this movie, making so many bad decicions. Jessica Alba is PULPan very bad casting. To me she has the charisma of an eagle. LOOK AT HER!!!! Sue Storm was a real grown up strongwoman. Not a Bubblegum-chewing school girl. This summer is so good with so many good movies. THIS HURTS MAN, REAL DEEP.
Good-Looking Action by Taylor Made	Jun 16th, 2005 06:12:23 AM
I feel this movie will not live up to the quality of Batman Begins, X2, and Spiderman 2. I will be going in with low expectations which would probably be a good thing. As long as I'm entertained in any way will I walk away satisfied.
Why Oh Why Did They Not Get George Clooney? by IAmMrMonkey	Jun 16th, 2005 06:28:36 AM
Hello? Mr Fantastic? Hello? Everyone said it should be him and you cast some welsh guy whose biggest claim to fame was a one minute part in Titanic. And as for the rest of the casting in this (aside from Thing) - it's just awful. Never heard of the guy who plays Human Torch and I never dreamed in a billion years that underneath his mask Dr Doom would look like that idiot from Nip/Tuck. Sweet lord.
it looks entertaining by lex romero	Jun 16th, 2005 06:36:06 AM
Yeah there's some dodgy lines in it (the "so are you" line wasn't that bad at first, until you've heard it 20 times in the trailer when at the cinema) and there's a distinct lack fo Mr. Fantastic Stretching in it which has me worried it doesn't actually work well in the movie, but overall the film looks to have some fun set pieces and the cast fit the roles quite well. As for Doom I agree that it works better for him to have been on the space station as well, but why not have the cosmic rays disfigure his face as well? Then he actually has a reason to put the mask on rather than just because "he's a bad guy now so needs to look evil". Love the music in the second half of the trailer though. Also you can't say you didn't feel a tingle of excitement when the human torch jumped off the side of the building. "don't even think about it!" "Never do" - the best lines in the trailer.
It doesn't look terrible. And Alba is a bad bitch, but she i by Mr. Profit	Jun 16th, 2005 06:52:37 AM
She's sexy as hell though. The way she was grinding in Sin City. Man...... She can't act her way out of a wet paperbag though.
Ultimate Fantastic Four by IAmMrMonkey	Jun 16th, 2005 07:03:29 AM
In the UFF comics, Mr Fantastic is much younger so I guess Fox could be keeping it in line with that
I think the problem might be that the characters are so silly. by I Dunno	Jun 16th, 2005 07:37:35 AM
This is from a non-fan of FF ao I probably don't "get it", but this is the demo that this film has to appeal to, for better or worse. X-Men managed to have characters with wacky powers while still maintaining a level of dignity. These characters are just stupid. A guy made of rock, a stretchy guy, an invisible bitch, WTF? The human torch looks pretty cool, I'll give it that but overall, the whole thing looks like it's leaning towards Sharkboy and Lava Girl territory. I know this is heresy to fans of the comic but if you objectively look at it, it looks quite lame.
I Hope it Turns Out Good. by KenKRK	Jun 16th, 2005 07:39:25 AM
"In the UFF comics, Mr Fantastic is much younger so I guess Fox could be keeping it in line with that" How do you figure? In the original comic, Reed was in his 30s (Ioan's 31 I believe), Sue was 25(Alba's 24), Ben was roughly the same age as Reed (Chiklis is 41) and Johnny was a teenager!(Evans is 23). If anything, two of the characters are actually OLDER than they should be! And to the people clamoring for George Clooney, one gans practically stoned him for his Batman, and two, fans seem to always bitch when big name stars are cast in comic book movies. So why would you yearn for a big name actor who's blamed for butchering one of the best comic book characters ever?!?! My whole issue is the hypocrisy of some fans: "They should cast unknown (or lesser-known) actors!" Fantastic Four's got 'em. MacMahon's role on Charmer had a lot in common with Doom in his actions, motivations, and the fact that he used that precious magic you seem to think completes Doom. His role on Nip/Tuck shows the vain, charismatic elements of Doom. As for Chiklis, "blue collar" is practically stamped on his forehead! Chiklis has exhibited many of the qualities to be found in The Thing. Street tough, a sense of loyalty to his friends, naturally blue-eyed, and most importantly, Chiklis is a die-hard fan! Hearing him speak about his love for the character is something I thought would please comic fans! "The costumes should be spandex!" They are. Aside from looking a bit futuristic, the basics are there: blue bodysuit with black collar, black gloves, black boots. Shrink and shift the "4" to the side, and there you go. What's the problem? *"CGI Hulk sucked!" So they've got Chiklis toughing it out in a suit. And for what it's worth, I think they did a fine job with it. But since it's not absolutely perfect, you're all crying for CGI? C'mon. Chiklis is going all out so you can feel for this character on screen, instead of trying to feel for something that was created on computer after the fact. Bottom line: I'm looking forward to the film and hoping it's good. Aside for little in the way of footage for Reed stretching, I love the effects I've seen for the other characters. When there was speculation that Johnny wouldn't completely flame on, I was happy to see the effects team go all out to show the Human Torch as he was meant to be shown. A lot of the visuals just seem pitch perfect with the comic if you really look at some of the scenes and compare them to Kirby's old comic panels.
Dennis Quaid should have been Mr F. And Arnold Schwarzenegger as by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 16th, 2005 07:44:14 AM
And of course the obvious Naomi Watts as Sue. Vincent D'onofrio as Thing. Evans seems to be the only one well cast.
Jessica Alba by Dick Fitzwell	Jun 16th, 2005 08:01:43 AM
fap fap fap fap fap
Movie looks Great IMO by Lightning	Jun 16th, 2005 08:06:35 AM
And I'm looking forward to seeing it. Seems to me there is a lot of snobbish fanboyism at work here, both behind the scenes at AICN and of course the ridiculous self-righteous hating done by some of you. STFU already. The movie is gonna be fine, and I have a feeling that diehards are gonna be pleased with it.
Radioactive spider by CryptosporeX	Jun 16th, 2005 08:24:25 AM
If you remember Stan they changed it to a geneticly altered spider in the movie. People going to see these types of movies know they have to suspend a lot scientific laws but you can't push it to far. Which is exactly why the makers of Spiderman made the changes they did.
The joint AICN and CHUD bash fest is getting a little old by Lost Skeleton	Jun 16th, 2005 08:35:17 AM
This movie doesn't look that bad and might be fun. Casting Jessica Alba, although hot as hell, was a bad idea but the flick will probably do well among folks looking to escape some of the dark tones of ROTS, WOTW and Bats Begins.
Jessica Alba Raped My Childhood! by ZombieSolutions	Jun 16th, 2005 08:35:17 AM
but i wanted her to RAPE ME!!! alas, i remain unraped by Jessica Alba. sweet, achingly gorgeous (but only marginally talented) Jessica "Nancy" Alba... sigh...
Doom is a cutiepie by Procrustean	Jun 16th, 2005 08:38:17 AM
Doom is a pansy metrosexual in this movie...the greatest villian in comics....the template for Vader....is a guy that quips....fools!
that's the dude from Not Another Teen Movie. by PVIII	Jun 16th, 2005 08:45:00 AM
And Not Another Teen Movie made me a laugh. "Why is it every time I tell a guy he can put it wherever he wants, he always sticks it in my ass?" Gets me every time.
How many trailers has FOX pushed out so far? by Lost in Uranus	Jun 16th, 2005 08:45:31 AM
Its been a handful. I guess people havent been responding well to this movie. And also, as "I DUNNO" pointed out, the characters really are kinda lame. And isnt "The Thing" supposed to be a bit taller and more "plump"? Not being picky, just that it really looks like an average build dude in a rubber suit. And it shouldnt. Anyhow, I think Imma wait for the dvd to come out on this one. I still have that coupon for a free rental from Hollywood Video.
Losing my geekness... by JohnnyH	Jun 16th, 2005 08:47:15 AM
I think maybe I am no longer a film geek. I didn't care for Star Wars Ep 3 AT ALL and found it mostly a boring cartoon, I thought Sin City was pretty but narratively lacking, I think Batman Begins looks dull and lifeless, but I am looking forward to Fantastic Four and War Of The Worlds. Hmmmm.
For the love of God... by Octoberson101178	Jun 16th, 2005 08:50:38 AM
I'm actually sick of people bashing this movie... It's set up as a summer popcorn flick. No one ever said it was the Citizen Kane of comic book movies. Besides, I saw the trailer last night on Batman Begins and one thing got me more excited about this movie than most, the camera follows Johnny while he flies though the city. I can only hope Singer thinks of this for Superman so I can scream "Finally, they did it the way I've been wanting to see it!!!" because that's exactly what I said when I saw that footage.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY YOU THINK THIS MOVIE LOOKS BAD??? by Russman	Jun 16th, 2005 08:56:56 AM
I've never read the books, so I don't know anything about the characters, but the trailers look interesting to me. The concept looks good, the costumes look good, there's some humor and some good looking effects. What about this is ticking people off? And please, let us be adults about this... I'm not calling anyone names - please do the same. I'd just like to hear people's thoughts. Thanks.
Ok now seriously... by Lost in Uranus	Jun 16th, 2005 09:20:16 AM
I wouldnt personally go as far as calling this movie SHIT, especially since I havent seen it. But for some reason, it just doesnt draw me in. I cant explain it. Maybe cause I didnt grow up with the characters? Maybe cause Im so god-damned used to seeing McMahon's gorgeous ass bangin less-gorgeous-than-him women in Nip/Tuck? Maybe cause the guy playing Mr. Fantastic looks a lot like John Stewart?...Or maybe just because Im very selective on what I spend my entertainment bucks on?.....Hmmm...I dont know...I shall get back to you on that one.
If anyone thinks this crap captures the spirit of the comic you& by matthooper8	Jun 16th, 2005 09:27:48 AM
This is a comic book movie, I've seen nothing from the trailers, behind the scenes, or any other media bit that has shown me that the spirit of the comic is captured. This is simply a movie called Fantastic Four, in name only. If that is the best "humor" in the film, we have serious prblems. That is just bad writing. "that's gross", "You're hot", why thank you." That is embarrassingly bad. Everytime I see Chicklis as The Thing, I realize he looks worse and worse. The Thing looked much better in Corman's film.
Why Spidey's Webbing Had to Be Organic by Ktak	Jun 16th, 2005 09:39:23 AM
This has been argued to death, but here's my take on why they had to "dumb-down" Peter Parker for the movies. And I admit it's something that's bothered me about Spider-man's webshooters since I was a little kid. Let's say we all accept that Peter Parker really is brilliant enough to cook up the webbing formula and web-shooters in his basement. The question then becomes how does a guy with that much creative scientific ability (whose best friend's father is the the head of a high-tech conglomerate) manage to be broke all the time? Are we supposed to believe that his webbing was the only valuable idea that could come out of his head? I started reading Spiderman in the 60's when an issue cost 15 cents. Back then, the compact remote control system he used to take his own pictures for the Daily Bugle alone would have made him a rich man. Raimi wisely decided to play down Peter's scientific ability so that he could take advantage of the dramatic opportunities that have always come with Peter struggling to make ends meet. If you try to have it both ways, it creates a logical disconnect that would be really hard for the average audience member to ignore.
As much as the changes... by Childe Roland	Jun 16th, 2005 09:45:01 AM
...to Doom's character leave a bad taste in my mouth, everything I've seen of McMahon in the role is pretty encouraging (as someone pointed out above, testament to him as an actor more than the way the character appears to have been written). All of these people complaining that Sue Storm is too young an cute are clearly people who only read the comics in the late 80s and early 90s. When the team was introduced - like they are being in this movie - Sue was a college-aged girl, barely older than her teen-aged brother. Reed was significantly older than her (having roomed with her parents as an undergrad) and Ben was Reed's age. So her age is perfect. And with the blonde hair, Alba looks very much like flashback images of young Sue as depicted in more recent (90s) comics. And those same barely-post-pubescent complainers are griping about the Thing looking too lumpy and not massive and rocky enough. Again, I say check out the team's initial appearance and the way the Thing was drawn by Kirby. Chiklis looks exactly like those drawings. So get a clue, kids, and save your complaints until you've actually seen the movie or at least talked to somebody who has and who knows a little bit about the history of the characters. Right now, with the exception of Doom, I'd say this thing looks on track to be a pretty respectful film tribute to Marvel's first family of heroes.
Kick Ass by Tom W.	Jun 16th, 2005 09:59:51 AM
It looks great to me! I've been reading FF since the early '70s, and it looks like the comic books come to life. I've read the script, the story's strong, and the visuals are perfect. I don't know why the AICN management seems to have a hair up their ass about this project, but I don't care anymore. I've seen enough of it to realize that the hating isn't rational or based on the actual film.
"Jessica Alba has the charisma of an eagle" by Voice O. Reason	Jun 16th, 2005 10:10:29 AM
What the fuck does that even mean?
"the guy playing the guy on fire can't act for shit" by Voice O. Reason	Jun 16th, 2005 10:13:29 AM
Some people can't remember character names for shit? "The guy on fire"? What's you think of the new Star Wars? "The guy who gets turned into the guy in the black helmet..."
"Dumbed Down" by JohnnyH	Jun 16th, 2005 10:14:53 AM
"Dumbed Down" comic books? Look, you have to TRANSLATE a comic book into a film! You cannot just throw the comic on film but interpret it first. The reason they got rid of Peter Parker's web shooters is merely one of time. Why explain how he came up with the shooters if a biologic explanation does it in 3 seconds? Is it really that important? A lot of comics have long histories that would take many, many hours to sum up in a film and still be interesting. So they update things or just change them. Fantastic Four looks fun, and is different from the comic for 2 main reasons: 1) The comic is not one of Marvel's "premiere" titles, like Spidey or X-Men, and so doesn't have the built in interest that those titles have, and 2) It needs a HUGE update from the comic to bring it into today's world; i.e. The bad guy is no longer a ruler of a country, the Invisible Woman is a pretty young starlet, etc. This is not going to pull in an audience like Batman or Spider-Man, so they made a fun popcorn movie that looks enjoyable to me. Oh, and for those of you who will site Sin City as a "great" translation, the movie had a great visual style but the stories sucked. I've never read the comic but reading how "true" it was to the original makes me realize that it may have been TOO faithful.
Shan by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 10:18:37 AM
Yeah, 'eventual' as a verb- I know what 'eventuate' means, thanks. Did you notice that the poster used 'eventuate' as a middle-management-style buzzword, alongside 'ppl', which is meant to sound, what, trendy or ...? Can most people really stand to read stuff like that?
Not that bad by jaxjp	Jun 16th, 2005 10:19:46 AM
I didn't think it was that bad it made me think of the early FF comics I read as a kid. Do I think it will be perfect? No will it be watchable? I do believe it will be. Johnny was right on SUe was ok Reed well he is uptight just like always. Doom may be the show stopper, doom just looks like a skinny runt.But last I checked I haven't made any movies much less a hit.
Lay Off This Frikkin' Movie! by hipcheck13	Jun 16th, 2005 10:21:17 AM
Why don't you assclowns--especially the AICN "management team" who forever take shots at the trailers--lay off? Yes, they made changes--so what? So did Spider-Man, X-Men, etc. Yes, the Thing is in a suit, NOT CGI--your point? You bitched about the Hulk being a complete CGI character. I swear, I miss the days when AICN actually broke stories and had spies feeding us cool pieces of information about upcoming movies. Now, it's becoming a fucking "criticize the trailer" site, with Harry and his cronies ripping apart a two-hour movie over a two-minute trailer. Here's a thought: wait for the movie before you tear it apart. And remember this, Harry, McWeenie, et al: what goes around comes around. If/when your pet projects ever see the light of day, you'd best pray that some other site--CHUD, Dark Horizons, Coming Soon--doesn't create a groundswell of negativity over your trailer.
The great thing about this movie is... by Lost in Uranus	Jun 16th, 2005 10:25:48 AM
At least we wont be gettin a sequel. So, I hereby predict less than 35 million on opening weekend and decreases of 30%+ thereafter. Exit polls will show most attendees to be white males in their mid 40's to mid 50's in desperate search of a hero to call "their own", since all the cool superheroes are already taken. The cast will go on to make movies no one watches, with the exception of McMahon and Alba, who's hotness will save the day yet again. You heard it here first! Beautiful people rock!!
Spiderman's webbing? by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 10:28:07 AM
I actually liked the organic webshooters- I could never stand the idea that one of SM's main powers were based on a little doodad that he wore. All the comic ever got out of that were lame little 'ran out of web-fluid' moments. My earlier point about it was the the idea that you have to make a superhero more plausible somehow is ridiculous- you're either willing to suspend disbelief for this stuff or you're not.
keep in mind... by teddanson37	Jun 16th, 2005 10:35:47 AM
six or seven years ago this could have been one of the best super hero films ever made. but now we've been spoiled by spiderman, X2, and batman begins. this movie actually looks better than any other superhero movie made since the original blade. no, it doesn't appear to be the next batman begins, but it doesn't look like batman and robin or elektra. i think it looks better than the hulk or x-men 1.
Looks Good by EvilPizza	Jun 16th, 2005 10:35:48 AM
I am looking forward to this movie.
tim robbins should have been mr fantastic by Spacesheik	Jun 16th, 2005 10:36:25 AM

I guess it was time for Marvel to pass the torch to DC.. by DeadAmerican	Jun 16th, 2005 10:56:19 AM
I guess making sub-par movies doesn't matter as long as they make a few bucks along the way. I don't even know if I'm going to see this one, because I know I'm going to be disappointed... This movie had so much potential. Why, Marvel?! WHY?!
Tim Story has the charisma of an eagle by quantum_ken	Jun 16th, 2005 11:04:24 AM
They should've gotten Peyton Reed. To direct Charlize Theron as Sue Storm and Ed Norton as Reed Richards. Why Tim Story?
Nope by JediStryker	Jun 16th, 2005 11:05:05 AM
Trailer doesn't do a thing for me. This movie is definitely a renter.
Ya know what really bugs me... by Kid Z	Jun 16th, 2005 11:08:38 AM
... is Doom being horribly deformed by the cosmic rays. In interviews, Jack Kirby stated that Doom wasn't disfigured at all... that he only had a small scar on his face. However, he was so egotistical and narcissistic, he thought even that minor flaw was a disfigurement. His problem was mental, not physical and that made for a much more interesting character IMHO.
Um, not that it matters, but an isue of Spiderman cost 12 cents by Snookeroo	Jun 16th, 2005 11:08:54 AM
It wasn't until the early 70's that comics went up to 15 cents, then a quarter, then 30 cents. Of course, today a comic takes a second mortagage.
Sin City has the charisma of an eagle by quantum_ken	Jun 16th, 2005 11:09:15 AM
It was successful in proving to the world that Robert Rodriguez is indeed capable of matching a picture on a monitor to a page on a comic book. And he cooks too!
tim robbins should have been mr fantastic by Ricky Retardo	Jun 16th, 2005 11:27:33 AM
He is Mr. Fantastic to Susan Saranwrap. She don't call him "Stretch" for nothing.
by Sidius	Jun 16th, 2005 11:35:42 AM
News flash to the rest of fandom. No one is making these comic book movies specifically for you!! There aren't enough of you out there to justify spending 100M + on a movie. The fact of the matter is a movie like this needs a huge audience to be worth doing at all. If changing some of the story is what it takes then that is what will be done. If only the FF hardcore fans went to see this movie the movie would barely break 10 mill so shut up already about the movie not being faithful. If the dialogue sucks then we have an entirely different matter on our hands (this I fear will be FF's downfall). Batman (as good as I personally think it is because I am a fan of the character) is so faithful to the comics that I could see it ultimately hurting the box office. It is a very dark story and I would be really surprised if most kids get any of the pseudo-psychological villainy implied in Batman (because let's face it the real villain in BB is a concept - fear). This could effectively kill repeat viewings especially for kids and teens. Warners better hope that either kids think that Batman by himself and his car are cool enough to make them want to see BB again or that adults just love it that much as to go themselves to repeated viewings. You have to think outside of just yourself and your needs when making these movies. Look at Daredevil - made by geeks with slavish attention to story detail result: a huge bomb. Sometimes just doing it 100% right isn't what sells tickets. Face it summer movies are a business. Us geeks want all the costly special effects and sets but refuse to admit that obtaining that will require in most cases a certain dumbing down for the masses that don't read the comics. I fell strange for in some ways defending hte studios because at times I do think that they are too focused on marketing first and story second but the facts of the matter is to those not familiar with the story or characters and that's aboyt 90% of society the marketing is what they see and what will ultimately determine the fate of the movie. These are just the facts.
I've got a great idea! by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 16th, 2005 11:41:38 AM
Let's turn the world's greatest comic magazine into a movie--and here's the twist--Let's make it totally awful! A miniscule budget and a miniscule Thing that looks like a 5 foot tall silly-putty turd. The only decent part is that Jessica Alba is robohot. Not gonna go see it. I'll just read my comics, thanks.
Have we been spoiled? by MasterWhedon	Jun 16th, 2005 11:55:10 AM
I'm watching this trailer and enjoying it for what it is--not getting nearly as excited as I was for the X-Men or Spider-Man films--and I started to wonder if we've been spoiled by a handful of really good (if not great) superhero films. Imagine if this film had been released before X-Men. I highly doubt this generally negative buzz would exist. In fact, I bet we'd all be clamoring at the bit to be first in line when this came out. Fact is, we've gotten it pretty good, now it's time we want better.
teddanson37 by MasterWhedon	Jun 16th, 2005 12:02:29 PM
Didn't see you made the exact same point just a few posts prior. Still, it should be reinforced.
Looks like the FF to me. . . by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 12:10:03 PM
But then again I've just been a fan for 25 years now. Quint & Harry can suck my fat dog balls for all the hate they throw at this project. People complaining about "cheezy" dialoge need to crack-open a Marvel Essentials and actually READ an early issue.
hasn't this trailer been out for a couple of weeks now? by guerillatokyo	Jun 16th, 2005 12:23:50 PM
First a non-review of War of the worlds that could've been written by anyone who's seen all the trailers, and now a old trailer for a crappy movie, that harry and Co. have attacked for months.
The whole trailer could have been saved with 3 words--"It's by matthooper8	Jun 16th, 2005 12:33:54 PM
I think the film will still suck, but the trailer could have worked more. If they are trying to get fans and non fans, why not stress the fan stuff as well as the crap they show. They had J.S. say "flame on" but he is by far the weakest performer I have seen yet, and that is saying a lot because Alba cannot act. There are facts even the defenders of the film have to face. Alba and the dude playing Storm cannot act. Doom if done the way it seems they are doing it is so far from the real character it is just stupid. The character has been around since the early 60's. He has remained popular, why change it to such a degree? It is not logical. Chiclis may hold the key to this film being any good at all. By the way, someone said to go back and read the comics, because they had bad dialogue. Guess what, written comics don't sound bad in your head. You read it the way you want it said. Comic dialogue is short and to the point. Bad dialogue in films is not subjective. it just sounds bad.
Quints a FF historian now?! by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 12:33:59 PM
Quint say's "I must admit Sue blocking a blast with her force feilds brought a smile to my face" That's because it reminds him of the mid 90's animated FF series he used to watch on Saturday mornings in bed while wearing his 'Tickle me Elmo' pajamas. Those mornings were really special because his mommy would make him chocolate chip pancakes and smother him with kisses.
I don by MrFloppy	Jun 16th, 2005 12:39:57 PM

c'mon guys by Captain Zero	Jun 16th, 2005 12:47:41 PM
you know we're all going to see this movie - so get over yourselves. this trailer is better than the rest - and who doesn't love Jessica in a skin tight suit??
The Torch looks better and better by cookylamoo	Jun 16th, 2005 12:59:08 PM
and anyone who's seen "cellular" will tell you this guy is terrific. The new fire effects, especially the flaming 4 are awesome. Doom would look better if his mouth moved. The movie looks like it has a good sense of humor and after episode three we can all use a laugh.
Dr. Doom as a metrosexual android... by Breotan	Jun 16th, 2005 01:06:27 PM
I just laugh every time I hear him talk with that mask on. I giggle and I don't think that's the reaction that you should get from an iron entombed facist tyrant.
Fire! Fire! FIREFIREFIRE!!! by CaptMattSparrow	Jun 16th, 2005 01:13:11 PM
Shameless Paris Hilton rip-off moment: "That's Hot" The Human Torch stuff looks sweet. I wanna see if he can talk when in "flame on" mode. They haven't shown that yet.
KIDS looking forward to it! by riskebiz	Jun 16th, 2005 01:21:00 PM
I have a friend at work who told me his 8 year old boy is really looking forward to the FF movie (he told me because he knows I do some side comic stuff). The kid is not that into superheroes ... but for some reason this movie is appealing to him. I know it's a focus group of 1 ... but I wonder if that boods well for FF box office if there are more families out there with kids like this one?
why the hate? by dengreg31	Jun 16th, 2005 01:37:47 PM
I havent read an FF comic in over twenty years, and I know, the Doom storyline in this is "stretching" it..but the effects look pretty damn good, and the acting isnt as bad as many are saying here..I don't see the problem. I'll be going.
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The only reason some of you hate Johnny Storm is that he is good by Dog Of Mystery	Jun 16th, 2005 01:54:29 PM
His lines are pretty funny, and right for the character. Remember when they said the Torch wouldn't even flame on? So count your blessings, whiners.
100% of haters can . . . by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 02:29:19 PM
suck it easy. Alba=hot. FF will be this years POTC in regards to surprise box office.
I'll be there opening day . . . by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 02:31:46 PM
In my Thing "hands(specialy modified to hold beer cans) & feet", trench coat and dark shades. "Clobbering Time" indeed.
looks like fun by KidGeek	Jun 16th, 2005 02:32:21 PM
this movie looks like fun. it doesn't look great - but i think it will be enjoyable. everyone needs to get off their high-horse.
FF looks okay to me...but The Island is a remake! by RetroActive	Jun 16th, 2005 02:35:39 PM
I knew it! I knew those movie trailers brought back awful, Saturday morning movie memories of a bad "clone on the run" concept from the 70's. Michael Bay's pretending he thought this idea up...let's hope it's better than the original! http://www.agonybooth.com/part s/
Casting by columnboy260	Jun 16th, 2005 02:37:27 PM
Chiklis is good casting, but before they get their powers, I can't tell the other guys apart. And who in their right mind would make Jessica Alba INVISIBLE???
The FF may save Marvel films yet. by Darksider	Jun 16th, 2005 02:38:57 PM
Here's hoping.
Re: Casting by RetroActive	Jun 16th, 2005 02:40:28 PM
Maybe she could turn into the Invisible Clothes Woman instead. It might lessen the drumroll for all of the casting haters...
sonny sneaked me in by Bouncy X	Jun 16th, 2005 02:47:57 PM
i got a free ticket in the special edition of I Robot so i'll be checking this out and if it does suck, least it was kinda free..lol
Wow, talk about PMSing geeks... by The_Closet_Nerd	Jun 16th, 2005 03:04:14 PM
Wow, give it a rest people. The film doesn't look all that bad. The changes to the Doom character may be okay. Sure, it's not the original Doom, but it may work. There are variations in the story lines in most comic books, so why not in a film version of a comic book. If you are going to trash it, at least trash the movie based upon seeing it, not a couple of two minute trailers. And for those of you who say that ANYTHING from the Corman film is better, I recommend a thorough eye exam or brain scan (preferably both) because you have some serious problems. From the acting to the effects, it was terrible. Chiklis' Thing looks 100 times better than the Corman one, there is no comparison. At least I think it does, as I was too busy pissing my pants laughing every time Thing showed up in Corman's to get a good look.
Dr. Doom's true origin by boomstick81	Jun 16th, 2005 03:31:19 PM
His true origin is that his face was not disfigured. The only thing that resulted form the accident was a small cut around his forehead / temple area. He then forged a mask, but put it on when it was still hot (yeah, Doom is smart) and in doing so horribly burned his face. That's how his face got all disfigured. From what I've seen form the movie, Doom has scar in the same place as in the comic.....
It's a pretty trailer, but... by hamo455	Jun 16th, 2005 03:33:41 PM
I have never been a big FF fan, hardly know dick about them, but conventional wisdom dictates a bunch of flashy set pieces do not a good movie make. It's the substance around the action I want to know about.
I flogged my dong by batzilla	Jun 16th, 2005 04:04:26 PM
looking at an Alba pic last nite man, she is so fucking hot
That Doctor Doom origin you quote was something John Byrne came by cookylamoo	Jun 16th, 2005 04:21:04 PM
As usual, he failed.
re: Chris Evans by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 04:37:15 PM
Chris Evans, or "that guy who plays the guy on fire," doesn't seem that bad. I don't think he's going to be winning any awards any time soon, but I haven't seen any footage from 'Fantastic Four' to give me any reason to be mad at whoever cast him. If anything, I think it was good casting. He gets saddled with a lot of wisecracks. Unfortunately, some of them work, some don't, but the ones that don't seem like they would tank even if Daniel Day-Lewis read them. The only casting decision I can't really figure out is Ioan Gruffudd as Mr. Fantastic.
'wolf at the door' by Stan the Bat	Jun 16th, 2005 04:40:59 PM
Uh-huh... yeah, that's what I figured... Listen, is your mom or dad there? Or an older brother or sister, maybe? No? Okay, I'll just call back later then. No, that's okay- I was just hoping to talk to a grownup; that's all. Uh-huh. Thanks- 'bye now.
Fantastic Four looks great by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 04:52:59 PM
Yeah, I was pissed when I first learned about the cast, script and story(no pun I like what he did with Barbershop)But have changed my tune after closly following the production, reading the shooting script which by the way is alot different than the one that got dissed here a few months back. There were also major 3rd act re-shoots so no one really knows what's going to happen in the end. I think the most jackassed diss I've read here so far was a few months back when some fuckface said it was going to look like it was shot in Vancouver. Well, based off of those ICONIC shots of Johnny flying through Time Square I'm going to have to say "suck it" one more time to the haters . . . Regardless of the era the FF have allways come-off as somewhat lite and fun, they arnt the X-Men and they arnt Batman. This movie at least looks like it's captured the fun and imagination that is the FF.
Is this the movie the Sub-Mariner financed in FF #9. by cookylamoo	Jun 16th, 2005 05:12:43 PM
Can't wait to see HIM.
The Human Torch looks good, everything else looks unbelievably h by FluffyUnbound	Jun 16th, 2005 05:15:13 PM
And I would happily never see Jessica Alba work again, and I don't care who knows it.
On the flip side... by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 05:39:39 PM
...a lot of the dialogue is horrendous, and you guys who are looking forward to the movie are not going to make me feel bad for saying that. I don't care if the comic books were full of bad puns as well, that just means I wouldn't have liked the dialogue in them if I had bothered to read them. And the thing that makes the dialogue uniquely bad is that a lot of it is completely nonsensical ("I can't," "Oh, you're hot," "Is that a trick question?"). For a movie that's been cooking so long that some people might call it overcooked, being too lazy to find genuine humor in the story and instead trying to shove sitcom-esque punchlines down our throats is ridiculous.
Fluffyunbound by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 05:40:33 PM
Unbelievably horrible? Alba never seen again? I wonder how many nights you've spent wacking-it to DarkAngel? Give me a break, she's looking great in the Sue roll and if you dont have anything intelligent or funny to say, keep your retarted comments to yourself. FF is going to be a fun movie. BTW Batman was a masterpiece.
Sorry, never watched Dark Angel. by FluffyUnbound	Jun 16th, 2005 05:46:45 PM
Didn't see "Honey", either. Jessica Alba is about as attractive as a blonde as Mariah Carey is. Wear whatever disguise you like, darling, you're still a skank.
so what your saying . . . by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 05:52:03 PM
is that you dont like Alba? Fair enuff. What about Julian McMahon? He's a fucking babe . . .
"Flame on" by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 05:54:48 PM
I never thought that a grown man could say that with out sounding a littla gay. Glad to see my man Chris Evens pulled-it-off!!
"if you dont have anything intelligent or funny to say, keep you by Anla'shok	Jun 16th, 2005 05:58:44 PM
Hey lockjaw, I mean "Bulldoggie" if your going to drag your ass down here from "Superherohype" and wage a campaign of "Positive spamming" the least you could do is a little research first before you start insulting veteran posters. Oh, and I have seen Dark Angel, a mediocre series that deteriorated rapidly after the first season. Jessica Alba is an exotic piece of ass, and that's about it.
Different FX for Torch? by Damon Killian	Jun 16th, 2005 06:21:29 PM
Is it me or have the changed the SFX for the Torch? I remember in the earlier trailers there was a lot of smoke when he flew. Thought this looked pretty cool and realistic but now it looks more cartoonish. It don't matter anyway. This movie is gonna suck big time. As for Dr. Troy Doom, what don't you like about yourself? "It's me slaphead!" translation : i'm a bald ass mofoka!
I completely agree with organic webshooters but technically it w by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 16th, 2005 06:21:53 PM
There's a film I'd pay to see. And a Hulk movie where his trousers don't survive the change.
The follow shot of Torch is something of a rip off of Spiderman by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 16th, 2005 06:24:01 PM
When the camera follows him in between truck and trailer. Still, it's all Marvel.
Which recent Marvel adaptation is the worst so far. DD or P? by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 16th, 2005 06:24:56 PM

Want to see future Marvel films with pre-credit crossover sequen by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 16th, 2005 06:29:12 PM
Similar to the Bond template. Spiderman 5 with a little setpiece involving the Hulk helping him defeat Vulture or X6 featuring FF in the Danger Room.
I'm a fan of the F4, but nothing I've seen of this film by The Founder	Jun 16th, 2005 07:06:41 PM
Some of the linbes and fx has been coll, but it's nothing that really has me like "OH MY GOD I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO COME OUT" I'm just not all that interested.
Trevor by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 07:07:09 PM
I'll bite. Honestly, 'Punisher' is probably technically a worse film. The cinematography is certainly nowhere near as pretty as it was in 'Daredevil,' the foils were more slapstick-y than low key, and there were a couple of really, really bad decisions that strained credibility (Howard Saint owning all of Tampa for one, Frank Castle walking up to the chief of police or whoever it was, Howard Saint basically killing his entire family just because they didn't talk to one another like actual human beings, and the list goes on), but I think I enjoyed 'Punisher' more because I could relate to it more. It definitely made Frank Castle out to be a troubled man and there are no easy resolutions at the end like there were with 'Daredevil.' We're not sure he's doing the right thing, and neither is he, but the drive to avenge his family is all he's got to keep him going. It's like me wondering why I keep coming to TalkBack every day, except instead of coming to TalkBack, he kills people. 'Daredevil' was a better movie for what it was, I guess, although I have a lot of problems with that one too, and I guess it sort of deals with the same subject matter. Actually, now that I think about it, 'Daredevil' is pretty much about the same thing. I don't know, they were both pretty crappy, but they were also interesting movies. I guess I'm gonna have to call it a draw.
The Winnah by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 07:18:25 PM
Actually, I'm gonna have to go with 'Daredevil,' because the character actually had something of an arc in that movie. So congratulations, 'Daredevil.' You are the more technically accomplished of two crappy movies.
I thought the Invisible Woman was gonna be done sexier. by Orionsangels	Jun 16th, 2005 08:23:24 PM
She's not even really incivible. She's like a plastic clear woman. I thought she'd be totally invisible, like Chevy Chase. I thought Alba was gonna act all sexy as the invisible woman, like while invisible putting on stockings all that hot stuff, lol. Instead she's just there to sell action figures.
Stan the Bat "You can make anything work in movieland". by tile_mcgillus	Jun 16th, 2005 08:27:59 PM
Stan the Bat-No offense taken. I understand your problems with the changes. I personally believe that the talkbackers have been too critical. Face it. Certain things in movieland don't work or go against the narrative (like your aforementioned webshooters and also the X-men costumes). The Doom backstory is too convoluted and a tad ridiculous to work in this fun popcorn flick. You infer that you either take all the ridiculousness and suspend belief or you don't. Bullshit. That's why we movie geeks nitpick the minuteia. That's why I can love Spiderman 2 even though Dr. Octopus is completly different than the comic counterpart. It works well on film and this Doom might as well. To me, as long as the changes make the story more cohesive and due so with respect to the source material then its fine. After all Fantastic four has always been about family and Doom is a part of it twisted little soap opera. Doom could still rule a country in a sequel.
Actually, Marvel Prices Hit 15 Cents in August 1969... by Ktak	Jun 16th, 2005 08:44:03 PM
... but I guess you could generalize by saying that it was 12 cents for most of the 60s. I started buying my own comics around that time, so the 15-cent price sticks out in my mind most.
RE:ANLA'SHOK by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 09:13:58 PM
Hmmm, "Veteran posters" What the hell is this a tralkback for film fans or the goddamn Veitnam war? I'll send your boyfriend some flowers on veteran's day. What ever on earth do you mean by "do some research"? Maybe I could if you would have told me what on earth I'm supposed to be "researching" It sure as fuck couldnt be anything FF-related because I've got that area covered tighter than my cock up your dogs ass. How's that for insults? I'd give it a 5/10. Now, back to the veteran issue. I've been reading AICN for about 5 years now. I really enjoy reading the talkbacks and am thrilled I can finally "chime-in" with my opinions which I'd be more than happy to back-up with facts. If Jess is indeed such an "exotic" POA could you please tell me what's so "exotic" about a chick from L.A.? Oh, and congratulations for "calling me out" as LOCKJAW from SHH. I never thought in a million years I'd be an Internationally famous chat room nerd. FF looks cool . . .peace
Sub Mariner from FF #9 by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 09:19:27 PM
Best post of the day. Thank's for that . . . p.s. Sorry anla'shok, nothing personal. I'm sure you'll get over it.
Why this film will be a hit by El_Barstardo	Jun 16th, 2005 09:29:53 PM
I think people (especially outside of geek nation) will end up liking this film because it is a good foil to the other superhero flicks that have come out recently (especially batman begins.) Hulk, Dare Devil , Blade, Punisher, BB, X-men and even Spidey 2 to a big extent were all 'tortured' or 'dark' takes on being a superhero. This looks like it doesn't have that element, but rather is going back to the 'being a superhero is fun!' concept like the orignal superman movies. Because we havn't seen this in a while, I think it will serve as a refreshing change of pace from the dark films of late, and will make it a hit, especially with kids.
I taste bile? by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 09:33:53 PM
at least you dissed WotW too :)
Bulldoggie by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 10:38:27 PM
Exotic as in heritage.
Thanks Ribbons by Bulldoggie	Jun 16th, 2005 11:15:05 PM
I was being a reactive asshole in my earlier post. That was sarcasim in regards to her heritage. My understanding is that she's made-up of about a 100 or so different nationalities, so I guess that's about as exotic as you can get. She's hot whatever she is . . . and she does strip totally naked in the Fantastic Four movie, albeit while she's invisible :(
"...she's made-up of about a 100 or so different nationaliti by Ribbons	Jun 16th, 2005 11:40:21 PM
Reminds me of a bit of stand-up by Kevin Brennan where he said it's almost impossible for people with exotic heritages to be ugly, even if their parents are ("It's like multiplying negative numbers"). Some people might take offense to that, and it's certainly not my intent, nor do I have enough world experience to say whether or not such a phenomenon exists, but I thought it was interesting when I heard it, so maybe somebody'll get something out of it.
Well Lockjaw... by Anla'shok	Jun 17th, 2005 01:05:42 AM
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your ignorance of the posters here. A benefit you have squandered by revealing that in your 5 year perusal of this site you have failed to garner which posters are known for making statements founded through formidable logic and which ones are not. This is either the result of apathy or incomprehension. But, as I am an avid lover of talkback wars, and you are now free to "mingle" with the natives, I suppose I should consider this handicap a good thing...for me at least. I look forward to your future cheerleading exploits.
"Dr. Doom uses his power for Evil, FF have to stop him"=this fee by chien_sale	Jun 17th, 2005 05:05:33 AM
Doom a New Yorker without the scars, the castle, wealth and having super-powers and use it for evil becomes just a power-mad villain to me. With "other people with powers but with good hearts trying to stop the bad one with powers".
Three guesses. by cookylamoo	Jun 17th, 2005 01:37:04 PM
Guess One: The reason Reed doesn't show up much in the trailer is because Doom captures him and holds him prisoner. He'll do his butt kicking in the finale. Guess two: The Thing, instead of being the team comedian will be played for pathos. The Torch will get all the good lines. Guess three: This will be not less good than Daredevil. (See WOTW thread)
10 Min. behind the scenes clip! by CryptosporeX	Jun 17th, 2005 08:07:41 PM
Apple has a 10 min. behind the scenes clip posted. Much more Mr. Fantastic effects. Makes me want to see it even more. http://www.apple.com/trailers /fox/fantastic_four/behind_the _scenes/
..."Seeing Sue Storm deflect a ray gun blast with an invisible b by TheWoodMan	Jun 17th, 2005 10:16:17 PM
Yuh, well seeing Captain America JUMP UP THROUGH THE FUCKIN' SIDEWALK in that stupid Capital One commercial was totally wicked awesome as well... too bad for Fox it takes more than quick shots of superheroes doing cool stuff to make a movie worthwhile. At least the Capital One ad has the Silver Surfer... this stinker sure ain't gonna start a franchise for Him to appear on the big screen in!
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fo x/fantastic_four/behind_the_scen by Bulldoggie	Jun 17th, 2005 10:39:53 PM
OMFG. This is the shit. Anyone that gives a fuck about Marvel movies should check this clip out asap. . .
Looking damn good by Hiredhelp	Jun 18th, 2005 12:38:41 PM
Loved the new trailer and loved the behind the scenes footage even more. If anyone is still finding fault with that I have no idea how the hell they can sit through any movie and enjoy it. Also no surprise that kick-ass footage hasn't had a mention at all from the editorial boys here aint it?
Bitchin'. by Devil'sOwn	Jun 18th, 2005 10:58:40 PM
As in "cool", not as in "complaining." I hope this movie is as fun as it's trailer promises it will be. After an exhausting period of time stressing over the fate of X3, I'm looking forward to seeing this, where my expectations are more realistic (while I love the FF, they aren't quite the obsession other properties are for me). I'm not gonna be one 'o those sick degenerates that disses something based on some friggin' clips. I guess I shouldn't be amazed at the fickleness of people. Seems like not long ago, everybody was predicting disaster for this film; now thankfully some folks are coming around. Sure, we have our issues with the way it's turned out. I resent the fact that Doom, one of my most favorite characters of all time, the one who revolutionized the concept of the arch-villain, is being depicted as a quipping yuppie. Shouldn't he be saying, "FOOLS!!" and "BAH!" ? I can only hope that the characters are developed well. That is one thing that will ultimately save this flick.

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