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BATMAN BEGINS talkback #1

by Atropos	Jun 14th, 2005 07:25:32 AM
I hope to god I'm not first
by no-no	Jun 14th, 2005 07:26:36 AM

by BrainFart	Jun 14th, 2005 07:27:25 AM

First! by NeoDevilbaneX	Jun 14th, 2005 07:27:29 AM
Seeing the midnight showing of this tonight. Looks BAD-ASS.
At last... by GrubStreeter	Jun 14th, 2005 07:27:34 AM
...Batman done right. Bale's growly Batman voice took some getting used to, but that's my only nitpick. This was awesome. I hope Superman Returns can be half as good.
Crap by Atropos	Jun 14th, 2005 07:29:10 AM
God has failed me yet again. Anyway, can't wait to see Batman Begins. Still somewhat worried by the reports that the fights are edited in the "close-up of arm swinging, cut to someone falling, cut to swishing cape.." school of fight-editing. I'm one of the few people who didn't think Gladiator fulfilled it's potential because of this. There is nothing worse than a fight that's coordinated in the editing room rather than during the shoot. I hope Batman Begins hasn't fallen into the same trap.
does it beat Burtom by irishfella	Jun 14th, 2005 07:34:26 AM
ill be a skeptic until i see it
that is Burton.hit the wrong key by irishfella	Jun 14th, 2005 07:35:38 AM

Cruise's relationship with Holmes by InBloom	Jun 14th, 2005 07:46:55 AM
Conclusive proof, if any of actually still needed it, that the Cruiser is totally, 110% GAY. I can explain for those who don't understand. Requests in writing please. Anyhoo.... it seems only yesterday that this was reported on AICN as "Batman: Year One to be made into a movie!!!!!!" - I had such high hopes at the time for a gritty, brutal, beautifully realised Batman film. Whaddayaknow? It looks like for once I actually got my goddam wish!
I'll get excited about a Batman movie... by ajbopp	Jun 14th, 2005 07:55:55 AM
When they get him out of the rubber suit.
Wait and see by BillEmic	Jun 14th, 2005 07:57:01 AM
After Harry and Mori's reviews, I had huge expectations for this film...thought it was going to be the best Batman yet. After reading more reviews, I feel like I'm a little more realistic. I'm looking forward to seeing it tomorrow but my hopes aren't too high. I think that Burton really created the sort of "vocabularly" of the Batman films...I mean, the initial photos of "Batman Begins" looked more or less just like the Burton movies. My fear is that Nolan and company have just removed the overtly "comic book" elements from the movie. They've labeled it realistic but is this going to take the fun out of it? Instead of colorful, psychologically disturbed villains in crazy costumes we've got crime bosses and dictators...instead of a sweeping, iconic Elfman score we've got tonal mood music from Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard...instead of over-the-top action, we've got close-cut and chaotic fight scenes...It sounds like "The Wayne Identity" or something. We'll wait and see, though.
Nevermind by BillEmic	Jun 14th, 2005 08:06:09 AM
I just listened to the song "Molossus" from the Batman Begins soundtrack. Color me excited. I'm ready to see Batman kick some ass.
Holmes is a weak link by The Colonel	Jun 14th, 2005 08:11:08 AM
Her role in the movie is pointless. And I think Cruise injected her with some Scientology fear gas of his own! Check this:----- http://www.intrepidmedia.com/c olumn.asp?id=2215 -----
Amazing, I haven't read comics for years, but they still ref by GrandMuffTarkin	Jun 14th, 2005 08:18:14 AM
Nothing worthwhile has come out in the last 10 years besides Long Halloween, i imagine....
"Thinking about a great Clayface or Joker or ManBat story just g by Negative Man	Jun 14th, 2005 08:40:07 AM
ManBat? MANBAT gets you excited?!!! Not a proper Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, Penguin, Catwoman or Bane before that oh so 1970's cliche of a character? I mean, I'm all for reviving old characters...but Man-FRICKIN-Bat?!!! A scientist who experimented with serums derived from bats to create natural sonar for the blind, who tested the serum on himself and ended up becoming a...SHOCK...GASP...SNORE...Man Bat!!! coughLIZARDcoughSeven full years earliercough (yeah, yeah...then there was that Mr. Jekyll guy way back...) Sorry, ManBat is just one of those characters I hate. Lamest comics and some of the worst Batman:TAS episodes. Rather see Bats fight Calendar Man...or even Caulander Man. "Ya got the right dressing for this Salad Toss, Batman!"
ManBats & Lizards by Spyhunter	Jun 14th, 2005 08:51:44 AM
My thought on the matter is this - which ever one gets to the screen first is the winner. If Lizard isn't part of Spidey 3, and by some chance a Batman film with Manbat comes out then your average moviegoer will feel that the Spidey sequel that DOES feature Lizard will be copying Manbat. And vice-versa of course.
Justin Theroux as Joker. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 08:57:15 AM
Viggo Mortennson as Two Face. Wes Bentley as Robin. And how about a Hobbit-esque filmed Johnny Depp as Penguin?
Saw it last night at Montreal Premiere... by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 09:02:03 AM
*The following will contain some Spoilers* It blew my mind as to how damn cool it was. I drove my bro home who was watching my kids, and he asked me to sum it up in three words or less, and I hit him with "F'ing COOL". There have been so many reviews of this movie so far so I won;t bother wasting space with another, but I'll go through a few points that I liked quite a bit. I am gonna start with Dr. Crane/Scarecrow. I had heard quite a bit about how his character is an afterthought in this film, and I have to say he certainly ain't. Out of any Batman film made to date, this was the one TRUE protrayal of an Arkham Inmate I have ever seen. The guy is SICK and twisted. He's motives border on sadistic. Awesome. Ra's Ah Ghul was quite well done in my opinion too. The Ducard character was a sweet touch, and Liam Neeson brought a truly excellent dimension to a character in which I never gave much investment in to begin with. The gas effects on the Gotham Narrows was spectacular. and when Batman induces Crane with his own toxin, the CGI head shot of Batman flipping out on him was worth admission on its own. The Batmobile works on so many different levels that I cannot imagine them making any changes to the design should a sequel be spawned. It is such a great concept, and we should all write Frank Miller an email to thank him for the inspiration! There has been enough said on Bale as Wayne/Batman so I won't go into anything more than "He owned the role". At times, his face looked like it wasn't symetrical enough to make the cowl work, but thats a small gripe. The SINGLE negative I can think of (cowl aside) is that the fight scenes were too cropped and almost indecipherable. My wife told me a few times in an annoyed tone that she couldn't tell what was going on. Gotham looked like a real city for once, Gordon was done 100% faithful to what was covered in Batman: Year One. Jeez, even Flass looked like the Flass in Year One (Facially), except he had long scraggly hair instead of a blonde crew-cut. I liked how they put in Commisioner Loeb (used again in Batman Year One), and the rest of the supporting cast nail al roles given to them. I applaud DC and WB for giving what the intelligent fanbase wants. Marvel can learn a few things from all of this, and when they do finally start filming X3, they follow these guidlines and not go the Schumacher route (as reported on this site and others). I put this one at a 9/10. Sin City remains my only 10/10 movie. Batman Begins is all that is advertised. 2 Hours of Ass-Kickery for Fanboys and Mainstream alike.
The rubber costume ... by TrustTyler	Jun 14th, 2005 09:02:40 AM
I can't believe people still go on about the rubber costume! The only way spandex would work in a full Batman movie is if the guy was Olympic level muscular, otherwise the guy will look either too skinny or, like the guy in Batman: Dead End, overweight. And that guy was well muscled too! The rubber suit is, pretty much, the only way you can make it work in a movie.
Oh, and one more thing... by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 09:03:30 AM
Paul Giamatti as the Joker would be insane
Wouldn't Giamatti be more suited to Penguin? by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 09:05:56 AM

Told you fools this movie was awesome. by Russman	Jun 14th, 2005 09:17:29 AM
can't wait to see it again.
Thanks for the review, InZodWeTrust by BillEmic	Jun 14th, 2005 09:18:29 AM
My biggest concern remains these indecipherable fight scenes, though. I absolutely can't stand when filmmakers do this. Shouldn't Hollywood directors feel embarrassed when something like "Kung Fu Hustle" comes out and has a bunch of senior citizens looking tough as hell in choreographed fights...and they can't even make Christian Bale look good during battle?! There's really no excuse either because Bale kicked so much ass in Kurt Wimmer's "Equilibrium". The fights there were coherent and well-staged. Apparently that's more than we can say for Batman.
Christopher Eccleston as The Joker by lynxpro	Jun 14th, 2005 09:22:09 AM
I'm keeping the suggestion alive. And Monica Bellucci or Angelina Jolie for Talia Al Ghul.
knowthyself ...... there is some comic relief in this. by Russman	Jun 14th, 2005 09:22:19 AM
The movie will leave some people scratching their heads. You have to see it to understand but it's more of a "FILM" than a superhero movie. I've heard some people mention this earlier but it really creeps up on you and I want to see it again. It's just that damn cool.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, MOVIEMACK?!? by rev_skarekroe	Jun 14th, 2005 09:25:47 AM
Actually, I don't care about Moviemack. I just wanted to say that.
Everybody seems to forget that Batman Forever was also quite hor by Funmazer	Jun 14th, 2005 09:26:25 AM

InZodWeTrust.... the fight photography doesn't ruin it... by Russman	Jun 14th, 2005 09:27:46 AM
within the theme of the movie it works because he is "ninja like" . And the photography is almost from the criminal's POV where you're not sure what the hell is going on until you get hit. It would be cool to see him kicking ass, but it works and it doesn't kill the mood. Everything else about the movie eclipses this.
I know this ideas be done to death, but.. by hellboydan	Jun 14th, 2005 09:32:05 AM
Crispin Glover would make a good Joker, at least visually he has the gaunt features & hatchet faced look about him. And Glenn Shadix would carry off the Penguin well, although he's a large fellow (in stature) I appreciate the idea that due to an incident at Arkham Asylum in the movie, whereby the inmates are set loose it sets up direct confrontations with numerous villains for the sequels without neccesarily having to trawl through origin stories for them, as they're already something of an established threat to Gotham. Including Mr Zzazz into it is a nice idea (admittedly this is only what I've seen from cast lists though)
Russman by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 09:37:35 AM
Thats a damn good point. To quote Jack Palance in the 1989 Batman... "Smart thinkin'..."
hellboydan by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 09:38:54 AM
"it sets up direct confrontations with numerous villains for the sequels without neccesarily having to trawl through origin stories for them..." The only reconizable villain IS Zsasz, the rest are nobodies.
Batman and Michael Jackson are Remarkably Similar by ZombieSolutions	Jun 14th, 2005 09:39:21 AM
both were wounded children who grew up into creepy reclusive millionaires. both undergo a vigorous physical transformation. both wear funny costumes, live in a self-constructed fantasy land and spend an inordinate amounts of time consorting with adolescent boys who live in their home, dress in speedos and leggings, and have weird code names (Robin, Blanket, et al). both have delusions of granduer that they can save the world -- one through kicking ass, the other through pop music. the biggest difference is that Batman is a severely closted full on ragingly butch gay mans man, and Jackson is a severely closeted homoesexual pedophile rapist, femme gay girly boy who looks like Elizabeth Taylor's skeleton. come to think of it, Jacko might make a great Batman villian.
And where is the moviemack? by Spacker Dave	Jun 14th, 2005 09:39:31 AM
He's at home washing his tights!!! I still find it hysterical that this douche bag hasn't had the balls to finally stand up and admit all his whining and naysaying was for nought.
I've seen it twice by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 09:43:05 AM
The first hour REALLY drags for me. Im not a comic book fan anyway, but the film doesnt really 'start' for me until BATMAN actually turns up. It'll do HUGE business though, and I think WB have done themselves proud for greenlighting this and supporting Nolan. I think the BEST thing about the film is that the set up for a sequel is simply mouth watering. Oh, and InZodWeTrust, the effect of BATMAN after Crane has had the fear gas, is NOT CGI but I would say a damn fine makeup job. Also like to chime in and say Paul Giamatti as Penguin is a great idea. Hmmm, but for The Joker? I dunno. Discuss..
Oh, and another thing... by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 09:44:06 AM
there IS comic relief. But not as you'd expect. Alfred and Fox have some of the best lines in the film. Similiar to the "You're not Superman y'know" lines in Spider-man.
No Batman Talk Back would be complete without a Joker casting ca by I Dunno	Jun 14th, 2005 09:46:49 AM
Now all we need is a profanity laid flame war and a nonsequiter Lucas bashing and we got ourselves a bon-eh-fide TB. Anyway, the comments about the action scenes bug me because I've been noticing that blurry, close-up, quick edit style of fight scenes a lot lately and it is really staring to get annoying. And why the hell can't they make the neck part of the suit soft laxex or something so he can turn his effing head? That's ridiculous. Anyway, still looking foreward to it.
The Cowl works fine by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 09:49:41 AM
At no point did he turn his head and have the mask stay put like Keatons did when he picked up Vickie Vale at the Flugehiem and did the pully trick.
The Countdown to the Inevitable ROTS vs. Batman Flamewar by ZombieSolutions	Jun 14th, 2005 09:50:19 AM
can you feel it coming? soon geeks who prefer one film franchise to the other will be relentlessly hurling bizarre, disturbing insults at each other -- insults charged with a frightening degree of sexualized violence (anal rape, etc.). who knows why this happens. perhaps it is a misplaced allegience to symbol systems designed to entertain? regardless, the true tragedy is that neither side will be able to admit that in the game of good geekfilms, we all win. we! all! win! (especially the share holders and product liscense vendors).
Saw it. Good Movie. Thank You Warner Bros. by MGTHEDJ	Jun 14th, 2005 09:50:45 AM
This is the year of Frank Miller. So much of this film was taken from "Dark Knight Returns" and "Batman: Year One" it made my fanboy heart proud. Were there flaws? Yes. But they were far outweighed by the cinematography, the second unit work (fantastic job). Also great were all the nods and references to not only Miller but Bruce Timm and crew's take on the characters from the animated series in the 1990's, through their movies "Mask of the Phantasm" and "Sub-Zero", to even some of the best ideas from "Batman Beyond." Once again great job WB. Paul Dini, let them use Harley Quinn, I think she will be OK with Nolan.-----later-----m
Is it Bourne Supremecy Fight Editing? by Gunschlinger	Jun 14th, 2005 09:59:21 AM
For anyone that has seen BB can you tell us if the fights people are complaining about are edited like the Bourne Supremecy.
Is it Bourne Supremecy Fight Editing? by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 10:05:55 AM
Exactly what a colleague of mine said here at work today. So yeah.
Bourne Supremecy by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 10:16:24 AM
Fights were actually better. lol. But I still loved BATMAN.
BATMAN BEGINS that is by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 10:16:43 AM

Somebody asked about IMAX by zer0cool2k2	Jun 14th, 2005 10:17:44 AM
I'm seeing this at midnight tonight, and taking my Dad to see it on an IMAX screen on Sunday for his birthday (which is also Father's Day). Good chance I'll see it some time between tonight's showing and sunday too. Wonder what kind of box office it's gonna' get this opening week? I thought the Smith's 51 mil was pretty impressive. The midnight premiere of ROTS was sold out on all 18 screens of our local AMC, but they've only got Batman Begins on one screen.
Can't wait to see this by joshintransition	Jun 14th, 2005 10:19:31 AM
If anything, they've put out a smashing collection of trailers for this flick. Cillian Murphy's sole line in those clips is classic; it looks like such an energetic performance. I hope they do a really full-blown adaptation of "The Long Halloween," and especially do it with all of the minor villains popping up.
That worries me... by Gunschlinger	Jun 14th, 2005 10:24:07 AM
I really loved the two Bourne movies, but I really felt that the way the fight seens were done in Supremecy were distracting and dizzying, which I guess is supposed to make you feel a part of the action. It makes me look away from the screen. That is not enough to damper my enthusiasm for this movie. Thank God they picked Bale. So keep your eyes OPEN...
This movie kicks ass!!! by blimpy	Jun 14th, 2005 10:26:16 AM
I saw this at a sneak preview last night in Columbus, OH. This movie is THE definitive bat movie. Unlike Spiderman, you can't tell what's CG and what's not. Plus, the "calling card" that Gordon gives Batman at the end is a real treat for us Batfans!
The Batman opening to the MTV Movie Awards by Garbageman33	Jun 14th, 2005 10:32:14 AM
If the actual movie is half as good as that, I'll be satisfied. Although I'm guessing it won't feature Andy Dick as a policeman. Nor do I think it will turn out that Batman is actually Napoleon Dynamite. Napoleon: "Who'd you think was Batman...Superman?" Fallon: "Why would Superman be Batman? That's stupid" Napoleon: "You're stupid". And don't start with me about Jimmy Fallon. That skit was funny as hell in spite of his presence.
Can I just say by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 10:36:09 AM
After seeing STAR WARS, HITCHHIKERS, SIN CITY, MR AND MRS SMITH, BATMAN BEGINS for the 2nd time on Imax last night and seeing WAR OF THE WORLDS today, I'm so happy as a movie fan! If FANTASTIC FOUR and WILLY WONKA are decent, it has been the best U.S. summer lineup for as long as I can remember. This years top ten in December is going to be tough! Harry, do you agree? Or is there a summer in recent memory that was better? Oh, and other than to say it ROCKED, I can't tell you anything more about WAR OF THE WORLDS.
IMAX, bitches. by thesounder	Jun 14th, 2005 10:45:04 AM
NYC IMAX, midnight tonight. Already got my tix over Fandango. Can't frickin' wait.
ONE . . . . LAST . . . . . TIME by Funkymonkey	Jun 14th, 2005 10:45:52 AM
Right, I know that I've posted what you're about to read before, but I want to post it one last time on a board that will be widely read. So for all of you that have already been introduced to my "idea" - sorry. Anyway, everyone else: I've just had a brainwave and i want to know what you guys think. ______________________________ ______________________________ _________Now that Star Wars is over and most of the major comic book franchises have been mined, it's time for something new. Something REALLY new. Otherwise, the golden age of Geekdom which we have all enjoyed will come grinding to a halt. Reading through the X-men 3 tragedy, it struck me that Hollywood is the spawn of the devil and wouldn't recognise a good idea if one came up and stroked it on the nipple. Furthermore, it occurred to me that literally THOUSANDS of movie fans visit this website on a near daily basis and very many of them are capable of writing extremely funny and creative talkbacks. So here is what we do . . . . (and forgive me if this is a very old, and very shit idea) ______________________________ ______________________________ ____We write our own movie. All of us. Together! ______________________________ ______________________________ Harry puts up a regular banner on the site and talkbackers throw ideas around. But, and this is CRITICAL, it needs to be organised in such a way that it doesn't turn into an incoherent slagging match. I propose that the project proceeds along such lines as the following: 1. The film we are trying to write is broken down into sections. With the first of our tasks being a synopsis, followed by a scene chronology, followed by the scenes themselves. Each task should be given a deadline of a month or so.___________________________ ______________________________ _________2. Example: Lets say we are attempting to come up with a synopsis. Talkbackers simply post their ideas and discuss them. At the end of each week Harry puts up a vote with a list of the 20 best synopses and we all decide which will win. After a month, we have a big vote to select one from all the previous winners. ______________________________ ______________________________ _________3. The synopsis talkback goes into the archives and is linked in the next task page, let's say, "scene 1". ______________________________ ______________________________ _________ 4. To keep the ball rolling, Harry could award cool prizes to the winner of each months task. ______________________________ ______________________________ _________ 5. After a year or two, we will have the script for a brilliant film, not to mention the great memories and the satisfaction of being part of something revolutionary. You know, you could just write a single line and it might end up being incorporated. Just think about it, we could revolutionise the film industry. Let the people decide what they watch. Fuck Hollywood. And you know what, even if it did work, and we did produce a script, and either no one picked it up or our ideas were stolen, or whatever, fuck it, it would still have been cool. And we might just get to see a film that we have always wanted to see, the film that plays in our own heads. The film that we wish many Hollywood films ought to have been. ______________________________ __ What d'ya reckon? ______________________________ __ p.s. to answer previous critics of this suggestion, how about a separate (edited) page for submissions and a separate page for responses. Or something, to keep the talkback bitching crowd in one corner for the sake of clarity. And to those that think writing a script is just too damn hard for all of the thousands of movie fans out there. Maybe you're right, but it's worth a try isn't it?
Oh and . . . . by Funkymonkey	Jun 14th, 2005 10:46:53 AM
Sorry that the above is off topic. Can't wait for Batman.
Saw it a couple of weeks ago by ELGordo	Jun 14th, 2005 10:48:18 AM
And it kicked ass. THE best Batman film made. Forget Burton and ugh...Schumacher, this is how Batman should be made. They handle the material so differently in this one. Gone is the ultra Goth look and ultra realism takes it's place. Familiar looking cities but exaggerated to please the eye. Top notch stuff here boyos.
I like that idea by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 10:48:33 AM
And Harry if he wanted to, could even charge a simple fee, only for the Movie Development part of the site to keep trollers away. (They have done this on the View Askew messageboards, and it seems to work - they only charge a dollar).
Battlefield Batman by TheBaxter	Jun 14th, 2005 10:51:51 AM
John Travolta plays an alien leader in really bad make-up who teams up with the Joker, played by Tom Cruise. Together they brainwash Katie Holmes into joining their religious cult. Batman says "screw it" and starts dating Nicole Kidman.
And not an improved X men 3 script, a completely NEW film by Funkymonkey	Jun 14th, 2005 10:54:48 AM
How about, evangelion meets final fantasy meets much ado about nothing? ;)
"RACHEL!!!!!!!!!!' by AlwaysThere	Jun 14th, 2005 10:59:39 AM
LMAO Mr. Bale, are you trying to imitate Toby Maguire?
yes... but InZodWeTrust by hellboydan	Jun 14th, 2005 11:07:22 AM
Me: "it sets up direct confrontations with numerous villains for the sequels without neccesarily having to trawl through origin stories for them..." You: "The only reconizable villain IS Zsasz, the rest are nobodies" But isn't this the indirect result for having the Joker appear in the sequel, because of the Arkham breakout? He was already there? I'm only speculating because I haven't seen it yet, but it seems like a good idea. As I said earlier I only noticed Mr Zzazz on a cast list, so I wasn't sure.
Mr. Zsasz? by BillEmic	Jun 14th, 2005 11:10:11 AM
I'm a huge Batman fan and I've never heard of Mr. Zsasz. At the risk of having my Batman fanboy license revoked, I must ask...who is this villain?
next project for Nolan? by HeadlessCorpse	Jun 14th, 2005 11:16:24 AM
I'm excited to see Nolan's Batman this weekend, but I would have been excited to see whatever his next project was going to be, and for the next project after this, I'd be much more excited to see an original concept from him rather than another Batman movie.
FIGHT SCENES by MasterWhedon	Jun 14th, 2005 11:18:50 AM
They're not confusing or disorienting. They're just CLOSE. There are times you wish they could pull back and show the whole scene, but they are done well, especially when they're first establishing Batman's character and showing you him from his prey's perspective.
Zsasz by MasterWhedon	Jun 14th, 2005 11:20:04 AM
I only really remember him from part of the Knightfall storyline with Bane years back. He's a serial killer who carves a tally mark into his skin for each person he kills. He's only in the film for a few moments, but is VERY creepy.
BillEmic - Mr Zsasz by theoneofblood	Jun 14th, 2005 11:23:10 AM
http://www.legionsofgotham.org /BIOSzsasz.html
hellboydan by MasterWhedon	Jun 14th, 2005 11:24:20 AM
It's also because the gas is most heavily release--and Arkham is located in--a place called the Narrows, the shittiest slums you can think of. Not only are the Asylum inmates going the be fucked up, but so are those in the lowest social class, many of whom are prone to lives of crime as it was.
Is it just me.... by JiggamanSpence	Jun 14th, 2005 11:29:32 AM
or do all the reviews of this film really not tell you a god damn thing about it?
Zsasz... by InZodWeTrust	Jun 14th, 2005 11:29:55 AM
Is a serial killer who carves a notch into himself everytime he takes a victim. One of the lower-tiered Batman villains. As for the Joker, I take him as a direct result of the pandemonium of the gassing of the Narrows, so I don't think he was in Arkham, as Gordon made no mention of it.
The Best Books Ever (Fiction and Non Fiction) by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 11:30:03 AM
1-A Confederacy Of Duences-2-All The Kings Men-3-Watership Down-4-Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas-5-Private Parts-6-The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test-7-A Farewell To Arms-8-Of Mice And Men-8-The Outsiders-9-The Hotel New Hampshire-10-Catcher In The Rye
Wow by Darth Kong	Jun 14th, 2005 11:31:34 AM
Zsasz is played by the lead singer of JAMES. The band who sang LAID, SIT DOWN and many more. Huh, I have seen the movie twice and didn't realise that.
it was pretty corporate and blah, but in all the ways mainstream by watashiwadare	Jun 14th, 2005 11:31:37 AM
"dark"-- ooooh.
Bale by lofe101	Jun 14th, 2005 11:37:15 AM
Christian Bale is the man, ive been waiting for him to hit the big time since american psycho. Bale blows Clooney and Val right out of the water. hopefully there is a couple of sequals with him
I'VE SEEN IT, AND IT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO SERENITY by Daddy Tones	Jun 14th, 2005 11:41:31 AM
Serenity is going to kick it's ass. In fact, Joww Whedon's Wonder Woman is going to kick the shit out of NOlans Batman.
But the most important question is still... by DerLanghaarige	Jun 14th, 2005 11:43:26 AM
Who the fuck killed Moviemack? Uhm...okay, it's not so important (But I still wanna know, where he is).
Top Breeds Of Dog by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 11:43:42 AM
1-German Shepard-2-Newfoundland-3-Saint Bernard-4-Retriever (any breed)-5-Austrailan Cattle Dog
to watashiwadare by jorson2	Jun 14th, 2005 11:46:39 AM
What the hell do you mean by, "It was pretty corporate..." Do you even know what a corporation is or do you just think all corporations are rezoned sections of hell? Before using adjectives like "corporate" or words like "corporation" to put something down, consider that the toilet paper you wipe your ass with is most likely manufactured and sold by a corporation. Unless, of course, you're some enlightened naturalist in rejection of evil and greedy modern society and don't wipe your butt, in which case, enjoy the burning sensation.
Top Breeds Of Dog by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 11:46:50 AM
6-Irish Wolfehound-7-Beagle-8-Shitzu-9 -Bull Mastiff-10-Husky/Greyhound (cross breed)
Running time? by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 11:59:17 AM
What's up with the running time? I've seen reviews list it at 134 minutes, 140, and 150. IMDB says 141. Is the IMAX version shorter?
Best Sexual Experiences by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 12:07:54 PM
1-14 years old loss of virginity to Melissa in woods surrounding resivoir 2-19 years old sex with Hungerian Blonde in Massage parlor formerly known as the Alpha Club. 3-18 Sex in Dorm with Katie 4-17 Sex with Danelle when her parents went to the Cape. 5-19 Sex with Asian Meth addict at a party while visiting friends in Arizona
Minor problems with 'Begins' should be ironed out in the by performingmonkey	Jun 14th, 2005 12:09:02 PM
People looking for 'Begins' to totally fulfil the potential of a Bat movie were always going to be disappointed. That's because of the need to retell the origin story and setup the new world. This is why it was essential for villains to take a backseat and the focus to be on Bruce Wayne. It's also why new villains (i.e. villains we haven't seen on screen before) were needed. The sequel with The Joker will be able to be what Spiderman 2 was to Spiderman. It has to potential to kick unholy ass. It's rumoured that Two-Face will be setup in the second film for him to be the main villain in the third. I sure as hell hope they choose the right actors for both Dent and The Joker, and also maybe The Penguin if that happens.
Best Song Ever by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 12:31:04 PM
Blue Oyster Cult-Burning For You.
It's official, Katie's gone the way of the cult by Doc_Strange	Jun 14th, 2005 12:32:53 PM
Another one bites the dust.
IMAX version by I Dunno	Jun 14th, 2005 12:36:56 PM
It used to be that IMAX movies were limited to 2 hours. Maybe it still is. IMAX definitly isn't worth seeing a truncated version of any film. I hope they make it a trilogy and leave us wanting more, rather than keep going with less and less interesting villains. I hope Bale sticks around for the whole thing, and I think he's already signed for 3. Besides being shitty films, the last two Batman movies suffered from changing actors. Only Bond can get away with that. Oh and NO ROBIN. Thank you.
Last night by shutterghost	Jun 14th, 2005 12:37:26 PM
I got a chance to see this last night and it blew me away. It's the best movie I've seen all year. Beats the shit out of the Sith and anything else. Only movie that comes close is Sin City. Minor complaints- Bale's face seemed to be really squished in the mask, Alfred knocking out a ninja with a cane, Holme's crooked face and mere prescence, and .... shit. that's it. I can live with all of that. I think we can kiss the box office slump good bye. This will be getting repeat viewings.
Before I see this film tonight... by IamNumber1	Jun 14th, 2005 12:38:08 PM
I'm gonna watch the crow, Blade Runner, and Batman(1989). Then it's pushups and I'm off to see the midnight showing. I could care less about all the other movies coming out for the rest of the year. I mean it. Today's the day.
IMAX by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 12:42:13 PM
...I know that when Apollo 13 was reissued in IMAX, they had to cut it down some, and that was... last year? Hmmm. I doubt that any of the early screenings or press screenings are in IMAX format, though.
First Erection by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 12:45:19 PM
Age of Six Watching Lamda Lamda Lamda Panty Raid the Pie House and install cameras In Revenge of the Nerds the fourth greatest movie of all time."We've got bush" -"Booger" Presley
"As much as STAR WARS fans love to bitch about the prequels, at by Anla'shok	Jun 14th, 2005 12:49:43 PM
Not a miracle Harry. So this is where all this hyperbole emanants? You were so shocked an relieved not to see batnipples and neon? It also sounds like your dialing back it's greatness, what with the "it could have been" scenarios. This is why I can't take your reviews seriously. You splurge all over the website screaming that it's the best pussy you've ever had, then later like a guilty john you gather up your clothes and head back home to your wife(reality).
Why are there talks of remaking old characters? by screenplaywriter	Jun 14th, 2005 12:51:01 PM
Jack Nicholson's Joker was priceless. Sure, Mark Hamill could make him the guy we love in the cartoons and Crispin Glover and Tim Roth could probably make the character just as brooding, fun, amusing, and sadistic as he should be, but Jack owned the role. Same with Pffifer as Catwoman and Danny Devito as The Penguin. The characters you do need to redo are: Bane, Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy. Clearly Ben Kingsley was the ideal Mr. Freeze. He has the bald head, the cold glare and eyes, and looks like Freeze. The characters they should work on are: Clayface they could make it where this movie emphasizes "fear" well have the next one be "identity" or something. Bring in Killer Croc too and The Ventriloquist. Mad Hatter too. Manbat. Bring them on. Don't rehash what's been done, move on, and keep making sequels.
I was at an IMAX screening... by MasterWhedon	Jun 14th, 2005 12:55:17 PM
...and it was the whole film, not a re-cut. I know because a friend of mine had seen it beforehand in a regular theater and said it was the exact same. I believe it still played around the 140 min. mark w/ credits. And some of the shots in Iceland are incredible on that ginormous screen.
Best Daily Experiences by Flem_Snopes	Jun 14th, 2005 12:59:19 PM
1 - Sleep 2 - Eat 3 - Dump 4 - Urination Sensation 5 - I'll never tell
Moviemack? by Voice O. Reason	Jun 14th, 2005 12:59:44 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing from him more than that twit who kept claiming Palpatine was a clone of Sidious.
The Greatest Wars by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 12:59:58 PM
1-World War Two-2-Persian Wars-3-Second Punic War-4-American Revolutionary War-5-Whatever war it was that Charles (the hammer) Martell stopped the ugly Muslims from conquering the beautiful Europeans.
Holy Shit Darth Kong. Booth is Zsasz? by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 01:05:18 PM
I remember Tim Booth saying he was in the new Batman ages ago. Forgot all about that. It'll probably be a Billy Dee Williams in future films though and he'll be replaced if the character becomes more prominent. Although maybe not considering Nolan's sensebilities.
Thanks, Whedon by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 01:07:57 PM
Good to know. Yeah -- I can imagine those Iceland scenes looked great; it recalls Insomnia's great shots of the landscape. Beautiful stuff.
Jim Carey finally ready to be the Joker by cykloan	Jun 14th, 2005 01:09:03 PM
Does anyone else think that Jim Carey is old enough and mature enough to finally play and be the definitive Joker
Moviemack... by tango fett	Jun 14th, 2005 01:15:25 PM
WANNA GET NUTS?! C'MON, LET'S GET NUTS!! So anyway, Tom Cruise is just a pretty boy cyborg used by the Scientologists to convert the ladies. You know I'm right.
Most Sexually attractive Non Human Females by Rayhad Jackson	Jun 14th, 2005 01:19:30 PM
1-Zira the Chimpanzee (original planet of the apes) 2-Miss Piggy 3-mystique (xmen) 3-David Bowie (Labybryth)
sorry Harry BUT by William Cutting	Jun 14th, 2005 01:24:08 PM
Phantom Menace was worse than Batman + Robin
The Next Joker... by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 01:25:50 PM
Probably old news for most, but... http://www.darkhorizons.com/ne ws05/050614e.php I must add. Nicholson was good as Nicholson Joker...but I still think I'd like to see someone play The Joker, you know? My fear is the early rumors surrounding the studio needing a "name". I'd rather someone get lost in the part, rather than the old, "Superstar Jones as the Joker".
Manbat was one of the best B:TAS episodes by Gheorghe Zamfir	Jun 14th, 2005 01:34:39 PM
One of the first episodes too, if I recall, right up there with Grey Ghost, that made sure I was gonna get hooked on the series.
Hey Rayhad! by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 01:35:02 PM
Zira and Bowie...nice bookends. Funny stuff, man.
Most Sexually Attractive Non-Human Females, Part II Most Sexual by Garbageman33	Jun 14th, 2005 01:38:55 PM
How about Syndrome's assistant in The Incredibles? That was a sweet piece of cartoon ass right there.
Whoa, what the hell happened there? by Garbageman33	Jun 14th, 2005 01:40:03 PM
Stupid Commodore 64.
Most Sexually Attractive Non-Human Females by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 01:48:42 PM
What about Grace Jones in A View to a Kill?
thanks for fixing it. by BurlIvesLeftNut	Jun 14th, 2005 01:49:41 PM
Still wish I hadn't seen it.
Grace Jones as Man-Bat!!! by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 01:51:58 PM
Find some no-name dude to play the alter-ego loser scientist, then poof!! Grace Jones Man-Bat! Now that's pretty scary!!
Jim Carrey as Joker by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 01:58:34 PM
No thanks. I like him, but not that much. He wouldn't be able to resist turning it into some type of side-show silliness.
The only real casting list: by iamnicksaicnsn	Jun 14th, 2005 02:00:46 PM
Zhang Ziyi would make a good BATGIRL. I still can't see a Brody Joker, and Andy Serkis isn't lanky enough unfortunately, so my choice continues to be Crispin Glover. Jude Law would be a fantastic RIDDLER. Liev Schrieber for TWO-FACE, unless they want to add some color in which case obviously Denzel, though I doubt he'd do it. Definitely Britney Murphey as HARLEY. Scarlet might be a decent original BATGIRL, but I'm not sure she can be tough enough. Martin Short would be the perfect MAD HATTER. Ben Kingsley as The VENTRILOQUIST, MR FREEZE, or the CLOCK KING. Or Patrick Stewart as the VENTRILOQUIST, the CLOCK KING, or MR FREEZE (the best Mr Freeze was the deathly serious one from the Animated Series, and Kingsley and Stewart would be perfect for that). Or Jonathan Pryce for the VENTRILOQUIST or the CLOCK KING. I would definitely like to see Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson as BANE. Andy Serkis would be a good PENGUIN. Angelina Jolie for CATWOMAN or possibly POISON IVY. Actually, Diane Lane, or someone similar could work as POISON IVY. Michael Massee as ZSASZ. John Cleese would have been a great Joker back in the day. Will Arnett for CLAYFACE. Mickey Rourke as KILLER CROC. James Spader as BLACK MASK. If we're really reaching for characters, Brad Pitt as HUSH. And I guess that's it. I might also accept Benicio Del Toro as the JOKER...
Eh, Batgirl & Robin are two characters I hope we never see in mo by Gheorghe Zamfir	Jun 14th, 2005 02:11:05 PM
And Clayface isn't gonna be worth doing if Spidey ends up having Sandman as its villain in numbero 3.
No BATGIRL please! Ever!!! by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 02:13:18 PM
Batgirl's dumb. Period. It kind of craps on and cheapens Batman's whole mantra, in my opinion. Benicio del Toro as Joker? I have a problem with that. You need a mousey type for the Ventriloquist, me thinks...and what about Andy Serkis as The Penguin, if anything? I don't know. Just a thought.
Got my tickets to today for Wednesday. by Thirteen 13	Jun 14th, 2005 02:19:35 PM
Welcome back Batman. Your finally getting the right treatment after Schumacher nearly buried the franchise.
does anybody know what type of martial arts they used in this fi by fried samurai	Jun 14th, 2005 02:20:24 PM
Im into martial arts and am curious to know what fighting style they used.It looks very similar to the BOURNE films which used the filipino martial art kali.I thought I read somewhere it was a new fighting style.Anybody know?..peace
casting by Akira'sCrow	Jun 14th, 2005 02:20:33 PM
Jeremy Irons as Mr. Freeze
9 hours and counting till midnight show... by zathras34	Jun 14th, 2005 02:26:19 PM
Giamatti as penguin would be hysterical as penguin..(and mr cobblepot is probably my least fav villian) As for ZSASZ..ooo thats a tough call..WB would never do him justice... Someone said a while ago..Martin short as "the mad hatter"..that would be cool.. I would like to see the girls from the WB's "birds of prey" to show up...and tell how Barbra really got crippled and the aftermath..I have all the ep's of that show..that was awsome.. first person that came to mind for zsaz was tim roth..or..sorry folks..but dye the hair..brad pitt... Jim carey is done I hope for batman..unless a re ply of the riddler... and most of all..no more schwarzenegger...BOOOOOOO Give us Patrick (charles xavier himself)Stewart..as "Mr. Freeze" "AM I'M FREEZE OF BORG..HEATING IS FUTILE!!!" I Hope and wish everyone a good time for this long awaited batman.. let it BEGIN !! Peace..
Akira'sCrow by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 02:40:40 PM
Jeremy Iron's as Freeze? Good call, Aguado!
fried samurai by MasterWhedon	Jun 14th, 2005 02:43:21 PM
They have a piece on the HBO First Look special where they talk about the fighting style. I believe Kali was the style they referred to (or at least it sounds very similar). They said such a style really hasn't been done on film before and it'd give Batman his own unique style, as opposed to wirework and traditional Kung Fu. It's got nice, crisp moves that are more about the takedown than the dance.
Mackenzie Crook for the Joker, not Crispin Glover by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 02:43:51 PM
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm018 8871/ In The Office, he displayed a genuinely creepy perversity underneath it all which would then occasionally pop out and stun his co-workers. I'm also willing to bet he's much easier to work with than Glover, who would give more of a one-note performance.
If it is Kali, that martial art has been getting more mileage th by GrandMuffTarkin	Jun 14th, 2005 02:45:54 PM
Hmmm...perhaps a bad analogy.
Gwen Stefani Needs To Make A Cameo In The Second Film As "Dr. Ha by Flim Springfield	Jun 14th, 2005 02:46:40 PM
And I'm in the "Crispin Glover as the Joker" camp.
Fried Samurai by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 02:48:31 PM
I heard christain Bale said it is called Keysi, and supposedly, it was created exclusively for the film but borrowed from South African martial arts as well as Far East stuff.
the martial arts style used: by Shigeru	Jun 14th, 2005 02:52:13 PM

oops. by Shigeru	Jun 14th, 2005 02:53:22 PM
Anyways, the martial arts style used is actually called "FUCKIN NINJA FLIP OUT AND UPPERCUT AND SHIT"
Martial Arts link by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 02:54:43 PM
Here...it's mentioned in this link. And that was funny, Shigeru. http://www.batman-on-film.com/ setreport2.html
I by Rufus_T_Firefly	Jun 14th, 2005 02:54:52 PM

thanks for the info guys by fried samurai	Jun 14th, 2005 03:00:31 PM
peace,:)
Jim Caviezel, Tim Roth, Jeremy Irons, Liev Schrieber, Guy Pearce by RyanMurray	Jun 14th, 2005 03:01:54 PM
If Nolan and company were to cast ANY of these actors in the roles of The Joker, Harvey Dent, Mr Freeze I would pretty much love him from now until the day I died. And I'm young, so that's a lot of love. :D
I believe Batman goes with the ancient martial art, "Fuckyu Up" by Garbageman33	Jun 14th, 2005 03:02:33 PM

Re: The Joker casting... item over at Latino Review by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 03:16:22 PM
Clearing Up The "Batman" Sequel Rumours Posted: Tuesday June 14th, 2005 4:28pm Source: Dark Horizons Author: Garth Franklin Whilst the all the casting talk hasn't reached 'who'll play the next James Bond' levels of insanity, there's already been a flurry of gossip over who'll be starring as The Joker in the next "Batman" movie - talk that'll no doubt escalate after the release of the film tomorrow. Well, 'Superagent' comes forward today with a scoop that'll hopefully quieten down some of the BS: "I wanted to clear up a few things that I've been reading about the casting of the 'NEXT' Batman movie. It's an unfair situation - but this how these things work, ok.... They're not letting any unknowns test for the villains of the next movie. NO official casting has begun, ONLY the odd meeting. They will be looking at securing names AFTER the release of Begins. Christian Bale was/is enough of a gamble ("Reign of Fire" and "Equilibrium" made about a buck combined!), so, like this one, Warner are surrounding him with 'famous' faces. They've got their wish-list, and that's it. This guy, Lachy Hulme, it sounds like his people are pushing him more than Warner wants him - an unlikely chance, same with Crispin Glover, whose agent (not surprised) is pushing him ON Warner. I've tried to get through to the powers-that-be that there's a couple of great actors on my agency's books that they should consider, but have been told by an exec there that it isn't worth pushing, because they have their wish-list, and it's got 'NAME ONLY' imprinted on it. Honestly though, there's nothing, no-one really being considered at the moment....Mark Hamill's name has been casually mentioned due to his huge popularity in the cartoons as The Joker. Robin Williams, Sandler....your usual suspects" Thanks again to 'Superagent'.
Guy Pearce by Akira'sCrow	Jun 14th, 2005 03:19:39 PM
Wow! I wonder if Pearce could pull off the clown prince of crime. He's a terrific actor, it's worth a shot. But he would be better suited for Harvey Dent though.
Here's my take... by Pseudo	Jun 14th, 2005 03:22:35 PM
In order to let you know why, or even if, my opinion means anything let me provide a bit of backstory. When I was nine I went through a plate-glass door and severed everything under my knee to the bone. I spent the next summer in a half body-cast. My parents bought me a book about the first fifty years of Batman. This covered the origional Bob Kane comics up to the present incarnation and went into a lot of depth about what made the character who he was for each generation. I've always believed that Batman was the ONLY superhero I could ever really comprehend. No radioactive powers, no ability to fly, no invulnerability just a whole lot of anger. As a nine year-old in a half body-cast that made a lot of sense to me. I saw the Denver sneak preview last night and I can say that this IS the Batman film I've waited to see since I was introduced to the character 28 years ago. For everyone who's concerned with the fight scens, relax. If you've ever been in a fight (and as an ex-bouncer I've seen my fair share) you'll understand they're short, fast, and brutal. There's no art in a streetfight, no choriographed high-kicks, just plain flesh on flesh trying to put the other guy down as fast as possible. That's what these fights are like. They're realistic because they're ugly. For those who want to compare this to Tim Burton's movies, please don't. They're as comparable as Mr. Burton's films were to the '60's Adam West incarnation. Mr. Burton brought more of an adult Batman into the fore, Mr. Nolan brings a completely adult Batman to us. More importantly, we get a Bruce Wayne who is fleshed out enough that we understand how and why his anger brought him to the extreme that it did. More importantly, because of the Rachael character, we understand why he didn't go over the edge. For those complaining about the costume, including the three fanboys leaving the movie in front of me, make your own movie, perhaps then you'll see how difficult it is to create something that's both believable and articulated enough to work (which this one does...in spades). Mr. Bale animates this costume with a sense uncompromising certainty and projects the chilling fear that Batman should bring. Believe me, after seeing him in action you'll fear the shadows again. The cinematography and editing are amazing in this. Batman moves like a reven through a midnight sky. You might see an outline, an impression, but you're never fully sure. Batman is a predator in this movie, he hunts his prey and uses his costume and surprise to his complete advantage. It's great to see Batman working his way through the ranks to get the information he needs. I'm really surprised by people complaining that the first hour is slow. It makes me wonder if they thought Richard Donner's "Superman: The Movie" was too slow in its first hour. Do they not understand the importance of character development? If we're going to give a damn about Bruce Wayne's quest for justice, we need to understand Bruce Wayne. Without the first hour, this movie would have never worked nearly as well as it did. Props again on the editing of this segment of the film as well, I really enjoyed the way things went back and forth to fill in Bruce's story. I can't think of a single aspect of this movie that didn't work for me. It's adult, well written and acted, and INCREDIBLY well directed. There are transgressions made with the traditional storyline, but at least they remembered Joe Chill was NOT the Joker (I really almost walked out of Mr. Burton's Batman when it was revealed that the Joker killed Bruce's parents), so they are easy to overlook and forgive. I'm going back tonight for the midnight IMAX show and I really can't wait. I can only hope the second viewing leaves me as breathless as the first. ??Pseudo??
If Sandler gets cast as the Joker, somebody within a 5 foot radi by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 14th, 2005 03:22:46 PM
'nuff said.
Burton was good at the time by Breotan	Jun 14th, 2005 03:23:48 PM
Tim Burton's Batman was okay, but not really a great movie. It was too campy in a 60's TV series kinda way and deviated too much of the original source material for me to really embrace it. The Hulk movie had the same problems, but to an even greater extreme. Hulk vs. soap bubble? WTF? I feel sad in side when I see super-hero movies that ignore the source material and try to "mainstream" the content for a dumber audienc. This being said, I am truely hopeful from what I've read and seen about Batman Begins. I love Bale's work and think he's going to do well both as Wayne and Batman - something Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney never got close to achieving. Who the hell came up with the idea of Clooney as Batman/Wayne anyway? Nevermind. I had my initial reservations when I saw the re-envisioned Batmobile, but once I saw Bale doing the journey to a far of land for training, I thought that this just might be the movie that gives general audiences a taste of what comic geeks have privately enjoyed for years. Finally, a real story about Batman that isn't full of cartoonish camp and throwbacks (tributes?) to a garbage TV show. I just hope movie execs notice the differences between Batman Begins and Sucktastic Four and realize that super hero movies can make more money when they are taken seriously by the studio. Okay, maybe not. We are talking about an industry that keeps giving Brega and Berman work after all.
Batman's martial-arts background includes Yu Wil Di, Kik Yo by SpyGuy	Jun 14th, 2005 03:25:17 PM
That should about do it for that Talkback joke, I think.
uh oh by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 03:31:17 PM
Okay... so if they're wanting a major star as he Joker, who does that leave us with? Brad Pitt? Al Pacino? The guy mentioned Sandler and Williams, which I don't think would happen. And not Carrey again. Not Damon, not Affleck. Definitely not Cruise. NOT Ben Stiller, not Clooney.... Not Will Farrel...
This is a pretty impressive Talkback for a movie that 98% of us by Akira'sCrow	Jun 14th, 2005 03:35:33 PM

Latino Review/Dark Horizons by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 03:36:32 PM
...sorry. I should've given the credit to Dark Horizons, though I did follow the link through LR.
Al Pacino as Joker by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 03:40:03 PM
GIMME ALL YOU GOT! HO HAAAA! I'm just gittin' warmed up! can you see it, now? Batman: Scent of a Joker...Summer 2007. P.S. Pseudo. Sorry 'bout the glass door. My brother did the same thing...but walked away with nothing more than a scratch behinf his right ear. I guess there's a yin and a yang for everything.
Major star as the Joker? by LordOfTheThings	Jun 14th, 2005 03:52:20 PM
Oh god, I hope it's not Sandler. Although Depp as the Joker could be interesting... they guy's practically a chameleon anyway, and tends to go for the more bizarre parts in his flicks. Mr. Freeze I've always thought should have been Patrick Stewart, but what about Terrence Stamp? He can pull off the refined old guy part, and probably still has some of that Zod-kicking-your-ass badness in him.
Why does Hollywood think that big names sell movies? by mraig	Jun 14th, 2005 03:55:41 PM
It seems to me that there's sort of a disconnect between the so-called 'big names' and the actual advantage putting them in movies has. Somehow Brad Pitt can ask for 20 million a picture, but it's not like his movies all break the box office - Troy, Spy Game, The Mexican, Fight Club, Meet Joe Black - those are all lukewarm performers at best. The same is true for a lot of the Hollywood 'big names.' But if you look at the highest grossing movies each year - Spider Man, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars prequels - they gross more money without the big names. Did having Alfred Molina as the villain hurt Spiderman 2? Did having Ian McDiarmid hurt Revenge of the Sith? And who thinks having Ken Watanabe and Cillian Murphy instead of Jackie Chan and Ben Affleck is going to hurt Batman Begins? I don't see why Warner Brothers would think that it's so vital to have huge names for the villains in the new Batman movies. Didn't they learn their lesson from Batman and Robin?
Give me a break! by Packin_Beef	Jun 14th, 2005 03:56:30 PM
Batman Begins? What a bunch of garbage. The only way to do this hack right, was to bring back Adam West and Burt Ward! No shit! Sure, they are old as hell and Burt looks like Subway Jared before he lost weight, but that's my point! BAM! Storyline: the death of Batgirl years ago ended in the dynamic duo, calling it quits....each blaming each other for her death. Yes, they got the Joker (flashbacks, but at what cost?) It's been 30 years and crime is rising in Gotham. Show the new breed of superheroes (young 18-21 year old punks with cool costumes) getting killed off one by one by an unknown villain. There's only one man who can defeat the villain, and he can't do it alone. Show the never-been-done-before alienated partners having it out....then back to the gym(batcave) to get in shape (Rocky music plays). Action packed finale with lotsa blood and heart! Finito!
Will Smith by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 04:00:23 PM
as the Joker...you know him turning white would drive him insane.
I was just speculatin' on a hypothesis by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 04:03:51 PM
Jude Law? Not Tom Hanks. Not Leonardo DiCaprio, for sure. Too bad Joey Pants isn't considered a star -- that might be interesting. Not Ewan MacGregor... I'm just assuming they keep Joker a white guy, but Don Cheadle would be interesting; he can do ANYTHING except a cockney accent.
Am I the only person who wants the Clock King in the second movi by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 14th, 2005 04:07:56 PM
They better get the Joker right because if they make him over the top again it will be a waste. Thanks the Spidey and Sandman will never see Clay Face but what about Scar Face. They could actually make that character creepy and menancing, but probably too much of a gamble.
No, man. Clock King rules!!! by ZeroCorpse	Jun 14th, 2005 04:12:49 PM
He's not as cool as Calendar or Holiday, but still... Very cool when you use him correctly. I think he'd be a great movie character if they made him psychotic and not campy.
AMAZING Joker picture by AssJackson	Jun 14th, 2005 04:25:35 PM
http://img126.echo.cx/img126/3 374/joker22fy.jpg
more bad ideas by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 04:27:09 PM
...Woody Harrelson, Christian Slater, Eddie Murphy...
Clock King would be aight, sure. Cast ... by iamnicksaicnsn	Jun 14th, 2005 04:28:06 PM
Ben Kingsley or Patrick Stewart. Even though, like I said, I'd much rather see Patrick Stewart play Mr Freeze.
ED NORTON as THE JOKER by Toxic Frog	Jun 14th, 2005 04:35:20 PM
He's the only name I've heard that I approve of. I could live with Crispin Glover, if that's the only alternative to the likes of Depp and Sandler. The Joker is creepy and menacing, with just a touch of loveability. His jokes are only funny to himself, no one else. Casting a 'funny' actor like Sandler or Carrey is a gargantuanly wrong move. Get someone (like Norton) who can do menacing and then spice it up with creepy jokes. If nothing else, please keep Johnny Depp, Adam Sandler, AND ESPECIALLY ROBIN WILLIAMS (good lord he would suck) far, far, far away from the Joker. PS. Don't forget that the Joker is THIN. That means NOT SHORT AND CHUBBY.
Joker Casting. Jerry Lewis, Perry Farell, by hallmitchell	Jun 14th, 2005 04:44:47 PM

other Jokers by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 05:00:39 PM
Topher Grace? Michael Douglas?
Has nobody considered Vince Vaughn as Joker? by Edison	Jun 14th, 2005 05:01:52 PM
I think Vaughn could be a really good Joker. And as for Ed Norton... check out Primal Fear and tell me Ed Norton shouldn't play Harvey Dent / Two Face.
abcdefz1 by hellboydan	Jun 14th, 2005 05:04:08 PM
Michael Douglas as the Joker? his grandad perhaps.
Ewan McGregor for Joker by Mosquito March	Jun 14th, 2005 05:07:20 PM
Norton's a chameleon, he would be great, but he's also a controlling prick. I've always seen McGregor as the Joker, ever since that first freeze-frame of Renton grinning maniacally in TRAINSPOTTING. He's also (usually) drawn to the same kinds of wildly flawed characters that guys like Bale and Oldman go after. I think he could perfectly convey the fiendish glee of the ultimate comic book homicidal maniac, and yet give him the tragic depth that was only very lightly touched upon in Burton's film.
Conrad Veldt by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 05:09:13 PM
from the old Cabinet of Dr. Calagari would have been perfect! Do a CG Veldt!
hellboydan by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 05:10:38 PM
I'm just throwing out names. Not sure if these folks are all A-list... but a few of these possibilities do intrigue me (if they HAVE to go A-list): Pitt, Pacino, Law, Grace, and Douglas. I still say Mackenzie Crook or Joey Pantoliano are first and second choices.
Richard Grieco as the Joker by Breotan	Jun 14th, 2005 05:11:58 PM
www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/0 459-car/Events/0459-car/bleeth ya.smi?path=pgallery&path_key= Grieco,%20Richard%20(I)
hmmmm by abcdefz1	Jun 14th, 2005 05:13:44 PM
Joaquin Phoenix. There's a thought.
Congrats to Cillian Murphy, and my casting choices by Ivan_Mtl	Jun 14th, 2005 05:24:15 PM
Cillian Murphy just proves to me that you do not need a BIG name to play the part of one of Batman's villians for any future sequels to the rebooted franchise. Of course, having said that, I suppose I should weigh in with my choices as well - especially considering that we talkbackers were very vocal about our choice of Christian Bale during the early Batman Begins casting stage. Anyway, I think I echo a lot of others here when I say that Crispin Glover would be very interesting as the Joker... Paul Giamatti as the Penguin is sheer genius... ditto for Jude Law as the Riddler... I think Ralph Fiennes would make a wonderful Harvey Dent/Two Face, if he has not grown tired of roles requiring heavy make-up... Rosario Dawson would be totally hot as Catwoman... I can certainly see Ben Kingsley as Mr Freeze (or even Professor X, for that matter)... Mickey Roarke would kill as Killer Croc... Guy Pierce would make a great Kirk Langstrom/Man-Bat... and Dalip Singh (the HUGE convict from The Longest Yard) was born to play Bane.
Adrien Brody by Mostholy	Jun 14th, 2005 05:29:15 PM
would be perfect as the Joker.
The fever has caught me too; villain casting choices by BillEmic	Jun 14th, 2005 05:29:23 PM
I'd love to see Jeremy Irons play any character in the Batman universe. He'd work as Mr. Freeze but I could even see him as the Riddler. Also, throw my vote in for Crispin Glover as the Joker. He'd totally nail it. Mickey Rourke as Killer Croc, excellent...hell, he could even be Bane.
Has somebody already suggested Will Ferrell for the Joker? by Stan the Bat	Jun 14th, 2005 05:30:55 PM
I think he'd be great. The animation is extra-low-quality today, by the way.
Remember back in the day when Mel Gibson was up for Batman? by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 05:34:58 PM
And Robin is brutally slaughtered in the first five minutes.
And more recently when Colin Farrell was the new Bruce by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 05:37:56 PM
and Jude Law was Kal El.
Sean Bean as Joker and Sean Astin as Penguin. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 05:38:30 PM

Karl Roden as Freeze by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 05:43:15 PM

Jason Lee as The Riddler. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 05:45:23 PM

Finally... by Pops Freshemeyer	Jun 14th, 2005 05:49:28 PM
This looks to be the Batman movie I've been looking forward to since I was five years old. Everybody else might say that Star Wars is their childhood, but for me it's all about a Batman book I got for Christmas 1976 that was filled with Batman by the decade and had a shitload of comics in it. When Burton's Batman came out I liked it, but it wasn't a great film. It was cool seeing something more serious than the Adam West version, but it wasn't what I wanted. Every sequel was progressively worse and watching them was like getting kicked in the groin repeatedly. Until now I'd given up hope on seeing a great Batman film, figuring Mask of the Phantasm would be the best we would get. That isn't a knock, because the movie is incredible. It's just that I'd wanted to see a live action movie get it right. Guess I'll find out how Nolan did in eight hours...
joker casting by Bootskin	Jun 14th, 2005 05:53:54 PM
I still see Tim Roth as pulling Joker off like nobody's business. If they did the whole "Red Hood" bit (the updated Killing Joke" version) he would kick all ass. See Roth's turn in "Four Rooms" as a reference. His busboy character is a pretty cool beginning for the Joker. He needs the work anyway... Crispin Glover's not a bad choice either, but he's freaky enough in real life. As long as we keep him away from Letterman everything should be ok (hehe...)
Off topic-The 'Sound Of Thunder' trailer has a few new m by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 05:57:28 PM

Michael Keaton as a Villain would be a nice touch. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 06:01:42 PM

Jason Isaacs as Clock King by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 06:03:07 PM

Joaquin Phoenix by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 06:05:44 PM
Wow. I hadn't even thought of him. After seeing him steal every scene in Gladiator...he has that creepy thing going on behind his eyes that would make him a perfect choice. And his smile is completely evil.
Alexis Bledel as Harley by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 06:08:49 PM

Carrie-Ann Moss as Catwoman by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 06:12:01 PM

Joaquin Phoenix should have got Beast in X3. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 06:12:59 PM

The Joker... by Dewtrell	Jun 14th, 2005 06:14:31 PM
After the film is released, the role of the Joker will be the most wanted in Hollywood. While Nicholson would be difficult to live up to, I think Crispin Glover would be an interesting choice, but I think Kevin Spacey could have an interesting take as well. But I concur with the list thuse far: Ewan McGregor, Johnny Depp, Edward Norton would be awesome but his ego may get in the way.
everyone has very quickly by bluemancbrit	Jun 14th, 2005 06:15:19 PM
forgotten Star Wars, you fickle cunts
My Villain Choices... by SonOfJorel	Jun 14th, 2005 06:16:38 PM
...would have to be: Crispin Glover as The Joker Patrick Stewert as Mr. Freeze Robert England as The Riddler Jessica Beil as Talia Katherine Heigl (with a brunette dye job) as Catwoman. There they are. Bitch away.
How about Cluemaster, Firebug and Catman? by Ribs	Jun 14th, 2005 06:17:18 PM

Damn by SonOfJorel	Jun 14th, 2005 06:17:46 PM
it didn't space them properly. Ah, well. Imagine commas between them.
SERINITY / J WHEDON by RicCage	Jun 14th, 2005 06:18:25 PM
I like Firely...but the man wrote Alien Resurrection for goodness sake.... BATMAN BEGINS is the definitive BATMAN MOVIE and perhaps the best superhero movie ever
Joker... by Dewtrell	Jun 14th, 2005 06:18:25 PM
Oh, someone mentioned Christopher Eccelston as the Joker... good work there. I think Colm Feore would work too.
Arrg, we need another casting TB for all these worthless opinion by I Dunno	Jun 14th, 2005 06:24:00 PM

Dewtrell...and the Christopher Eccleston suggestion by lynxpro	Jun 14th, 2005 06:24:46 PM
Pitty the new Doctor Who isn't being televised in America currently. Otherwise, plenty of other AICN'ers would be suggesting the same. Put the makeup on Eccleston and he's dead on for the role. That manic smile. His turn-on-a-dime from calm to intense drama. Seriously, folks, get to downloading the new Doctor Who episodes off the good ol' Torrent, because you'd all quit posting support for Crispin Glover after watching the episodes. Do a Google Image Search on the man, or head over to gallifreyone.com for some pics.
PLEASE, STOP THE MADNESS!!! by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 06:27:37 PM
Crispin Glover? Crispin "Hey you, get your damn hands off of her" Frickin' Glover?!!!! He has the range of a gnat. Please. Let's get serious, here. He would tank the role. While we're at it...why don't we get McG to direct. Joaquin Pheonix, though brilliant in Gladiator...would blow too. I'm sorry to C4 these choices...I just couldn't take it anymore.
Ivan_Mtl by lynxpro	Jun 14th, 2005 06:28:50 PM
Hey now, I've already suggested Rosario Dawson for taking over for Berry in X3, which is so obviously needed...now you want her as Catwoman too? She'll be a busy lady...
Michael Keaton as the Joker -- he's got the manic edge (i.e. by Spacesheik	Jun 14th, 2005 06:29:14 PM

lynxpro by Dewtrell	Jun 14th, 2005 06:33:25 PM
Eccelston is a damn good actor - he would be perfect! Let's see how many cast members from 28 Days later we can recycle. Also, he was fantastic in Shallow Grave. Ya, I can totally see him as the Joker. And the dude who's talking about race and how white actors should get the "white" role. If that's the case, than Catwoman (NOT HALLE) should be a black woman. In the end, I don't care... I just want good actors that will accompany the great cast already in place. No Adam Sandler, No Jim Carrey... none of that crap.
Fuck the Joker by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 06:33:40 PM
May the casting go to a complete unknown. BTW, Michael Keaton would blo.
Michael Keaton by Dewtrell	Jun 14th, 2005 06:35:57 PM
Hmmm... that would be an interesting twist. Perhaps too interesting for it's own good but interesting nonetheless.
Unknown... by Dewtrell	Jun 14th, 2005 06:38:11 PM
I don't think we need a complete unknown but a good actor is needed. I mean, Afred Molina is not a household name and he was excellent. A damn good actor is what's needed, someone who can make the audience forget Nicholson's Joker, which was great at the time. It won't be an easy task.
You know what? by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 06:39:32 PM
I'm coming around to lynxpro's eccleston choice...he does have that "The Killing Joke" grin about him...but I still might need more convincing. But a very solid choice. lynxpro's been the solitary voice on him for a while now. So there's a little company. I still think Vincent Cassel (Night Fox from lame Ocean's 12) has the look, but then I saw Renegade, an awful movie...and he has too thick of a French accent, anyway. So...what to do, what to do. Colm feore has too much of an accountant/FBI lacky dullness about him.
Sold: Eccelston by Dewtrell	Jun 14th, 2005 06:47:59 PM
Actually, I think I'm sold on Eccelston.
Speaking of white to black to white characters and parts. by Trevor Goodchild	Jun 14th, 2005 06:54:52 PM
Would of liked Lawrence Fishburne as Luthor in Superman Returns.
How about... by tango fett	Jun 14th, 2005 06:59:14 PM
Lawrence Fishburne for Mr. Freeze? Just a random thought...
Mr. freeze by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 07:13:21 PM
I don't know...Mr. Freeze is such a great character...as much as I'd like to see him like they remade him in the B: TAS, I think for better or worse...Batman & Robin killed him on the Hollywood level.
Still holding out for the Neil Cumpston review by wash	Jun 14th, 2005 07:22:25 PM

What About Bane..... by Taylor Made	Jun 14th, 2005 07:22:37 PM
I always thought the Knightfall story would be great for a Batman movie.
Anybody still here? by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 07:23:04 PM
Or is everybody in line, by now? 8pm on the east coast...
Batman Sequel Villain Suggestion: by Taylor Made	Jun 14th, 2005 07:25:12 PM
Have a completely made up character as the main villain where he seduces Rachel Dawes and the people of Gothamn into his lil own religous cult, maybe call himself the Scientologist and have Tom Cruise play that character. What do you guys think?
Knightfall by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 07:25:52 PM
That would be great...but would require a sequel, and a helluva lot of villains...Hollywood would manage to ruin it. But I like your thinking, Fett, Jr. Bringin' in Azrael for a showdown with the true Dark Knight would be very cool. But might require one too many reels.
Very True. by Taylor Made	Jun 14th, 2005 07:37:06 PM
I was kinda thinking that too after I posted it. I think they should get another young but talented director after Nolan does two more movies with the Joker and Two-Face story lines and just shoot it via LOTR back-to-back-to-back. Hmm, it's way too early to speculate on the director but I also want to see WB pull off the Batman vs. Superman pic.
The Joker... by John Anderton	Jun 14th, 2005 07:40:18 PM
...Ewan McGregor or Jude Law perhaps? Good foils for Bale, IMHO.
lynxpro... Can too much Rosario Dawson ever be enough? lol by Ivan_Mtl	Jun 14th, 2005 07:45:53 PM
But seriously, your suggestion for replacing Halle Berry as Storm with Rosario Dawson is a great one, so why not go one step further and have her completely steal Ms Berry's thunder (pun definitely intended) by casting her as Catwoman as well. She was absolutely fantastic in Sin City (actually, everyone was), and had a "Vanessa Del Rio" like quality to her in it that brought back fond memories of my adolescence (I was even lucky enough to meet Ms. Rio and thank her personally for getting me through puberty). lol But seriously, if you recall Frank Miller's Catwoman from Year One, Selina Kyle could easily have been black or hispanic. There was a real vagueness about her ethnic background which I thought made her a lot more interesting. Julie Newmar did a terrific job (and was another very "influential" woman in my growth to manhood... lol), but a lot of people will swear by Eartha Kitt as well - especially here in Montreal where she is so beloved.
Jude Law as the Joker by Almuc	Jun 14th, 2005 07:47:17 PM
I think jude Law has definitely got the look for the (good chin), but is he weird enough to all the un-hinged psychological stuff?
What About..... by Taylor Made	Jun 14th, 2005 07:47:21 PM
Daniel-Day Lewis, probaby the greatest actor of all time, just make up a character for him or just use his Bill the Butcher character as the next main villain, hell I think he should have been Bruce Wayne.
I say NO to Ewan McGregor as the Joker... by Langfhir	Jun 14th, 2005 07:50:27 PM
However, he would be perfect Alex in a remake of "A Clockwork Orange" (Which I hope to God never happens!)
TWO-FACE by CelestialPudding	Jun 14th, 2005 07:52:34 PM
I heard someone mentioning Guy Pearce as Two-Face...i think that's a great idea. He's a great actor that can portray the angst and the duality. Also he's worked with Chris Nolan so if Nolan is back in the director's chair that's a possibility. I hope they create Dent's relationship with Bruce Wayne and sets up his transformation like the animated series. I thought that was great!
Saw it: A Chick's Point of View by FlickChick	Jun 14th, 2005 07:57:39 PM
It was a GOOD SOLID FILM. PERIOD. I think people will be shocked at well this does...If I'm not over-estimating US audiences' intelligence, that is...My biggest fears were that the big name stars (Neeson, Caine, Freeman, Oldman) would overshadow Batman and that Katie Holmes would annoy me. They were thankfully, unfounded. Yeah, the fight scenes were choppy, but they weren't that central to the film, IMO. Establishing Batman, seeing the bat-tank in action, and eerie CGI effects more than make-up for it.
How about Vincent Gallo as the Joker? by Mr. Waturi	Jun 14th, 2005 08:09:09 PM
I know they'd never hire him, but still.
Almuc by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 08:09:26 PM
Jude Law. "is he weird enough to all the un-hinged psychological stuff?" See: Road to Perdition...oh he's unhinged enough.
No-Name City by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 08:09:28 PM
I still like the idea of grooming people that we've never heard of. Unfortunately, that'll never happen. Jude Law, I think would be better suited as Two-Face, in a quirky, manic style a la A.I. Guy Pierce doesn't emote enough for me. As for Halle Berry, I wish she'd just go away...not the strongest actress. But nice to look at. If they make her a principle in X-3. God help us! She's the weakest Storm ever.
Vincent Gallo... by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 08:10:42 PM
Ha! Ha! We can have a "brown bunny" scene with Rachel!
Vinvent Gallo as Joker by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 08:14:03 PM
I'm sorry. I hate him. Just my personal opinion. can't even stand to look at him. I think the studios feel the same, I hope.
and Jessica Biel is Catwoman by Mr. Waturi	Jun 14th, 2005 08:15:13 PM

Jessica Biel as Catwoman. Only one problem...she can't act. by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 14th, 2005 08:21:19 PM

Agreed. Biel sucks. by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 08:28:57 PM
hahahaha
Ciao. by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 08:31:18 PM
Good night, all. Enjoy the talkback. And eventually...the movie. Peace.
Ciao. by RetroActive	Jun 14th, 2005 08:33:25 PM
Good night, all. Enjoy the talkback. And eventually...the movie. Peace.
Great . . . by Bulldoggie	Jun 14th, 2005 09:13:43 PM
only 3 more hours and I can see the new Fantastic Four trailor. I suppose Batman will be sorta cool too.
Angelina Jolie as Talia by Black Satin 2	Jun 14th, 2005 09:29:07 PM
You need someone who can speak a foreign language convincingly, not be afraid of standing there with Christian Bale and most importantly, kick some serious ass. After seeing Mr. and Mrs. Smith, that's Angelina all over. Plus, I think they should give Catwoman the Pet shop owner who fences her stolen booty. She should be someone who believes she comes from wealth, like in Jeph Loep's Dark Victory. I think it should be Morena Baccin from Firefly.
Christopher Eccleston for the Joker would work, but . . . by TheTsordiLine	Jun 14th, 2005 09:29:17 PM
I don't think Eccleston would jump from Doctor Who, for fear of being typecast, into a Hollywood "genre" film as one of the better known villains of our time. Whoever gets the role, I hope it's someone like Alfred Molina -- capable, suited to the role, but not a big name.
great Talk back..yea right by jonleeus	Jun 14th, 2005 09:47:26 PM
And Daredevil was the SHIT!!! But,seriously daredevil sucked ass,and I'm suprised no one else really mentioned it,what with the kicking people while there down fanboyishness prevelent here within.Also,this movie looks like the shit,someone said dark knight returns as source material and I was in.strikes again was the shit as well. Later:>
These casting musings are getting tiresome by flossygomez	Jun 14th, 2005 10:23:55 PM
Thanks for making another talkback mind numbingly boring. Why can't anyone here talk about some sick sexual thing that Bruce Wayne has to do to get into his bondage costume? Or why films about a hopelessly corrupt megalopolis ala Bladerunner makes the public trousers hoist? How about a remake of Zorro:The Gay Balde, but with Batman?...oh, they already did that...I forgot? Why can't anyone whose stumbled out of the theatres talk instead of these asswipes fishing for casting choices. Pick your grave and die worm fodder...and I'm saying that in the nicest possible way sweetie pies :) hee.hee.

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