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BATMAN BEGINS review

Awesome by Bodhizefa1313	Jun 7th, 2005 05:30:20 AM
Can't wait to see it. First?
I hope this really great... by DerLanghaarige	Jun 7th, 2005 05:32:51 AM
...not like Episode III!
I forgot an "is" by DerLanghaarige	Jun 7th, 2005 05:33:27 AM
Dammit.
whisper I won't say first, I won't say first.... by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 05:38:12 AM
I am so looking forward to this. Where is Moviemack when ya need him, he's gonna be sooooo wrong!!! That'll be a FIRST!!!! Ahh nuts!!!
Marvel should have waited... by Sunra	Jun 7th, 2005 05:39:43 AM
Paul Greengrass is now available as The Watchmen movie has grinded to a hault, you are a tit Avi Arad all your shit about finding the right people for the job - Brett Cock Sucking Ratner...
Sounds great by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 7th, 2005 05:43:51 AM
What about the baddies? In both reviews on this site no comments are really made about the bad guys especially Ra's Al Gul but oh well I can wait till next wendsday and find out myself
at last - at last by GrubStreeter	Jun 7th, 2005 05:44:43 AM
Batman done right - something I didn't think possible outside of animation. The bar has been raised high for Singer's Superman...
Great! by JacksonsBane	Jun 7th, 2005 05:45:37 AM
I can't wait to see it. Nice review, and an important message at the end there. Let's hope Superman can be as good as this. Don't fuck this up Warner Bros!
Ebert's audio review is up BTW by GrubStreeter	Jun 7th, 2005 05:54:19 AM
He calls this one of the best films of the year. He sounds like a real Batfan.
big grin GROUP HUG! Happy Happy Joy Joy! by scrumdiddly	Jun 7th, 2005 05:58:05 AM

Anyone know how many films the key players had to sign on for? by Shaw	Jun 7th, 2005 06:11:09 AM
3 seems to be the magic number
Uneven review... uneven reviewer by NotFunny	Jun 7th, 2005 06:34:32 AM
Harry writes: "If you read a good 1000 issues of Batman stories
Time, Variety, New Yorker by sefsterJ	Jun 7th, 2005 06:39:47 AM
All gave it pans. Helps level the expectations, even though it bothers me that this isn't a slam dunk. Like it matters, though; I am seeing the hell out of this thing.
anyone seen Moviemack these days? by Mr Chuff	Jun 7th, 2005 06:40:23 AM

Too bad... by The Pusher	Jun 7th, 2005 06:42:01 AM
I'll be working the midnight showing.
More HAPPY than a person who by Rhett Butler	Jun 7th, 2005 06:44:50 AM

However... by Rhett Butler	Jun 7th, 2005 06:48:27 AM
If all this fantastic effort isn
so it seems that spiderman 2 has been dethroned by josh_strapp	Jun 7th, 2005 06:54:22 AM
thanx harry for writing a direct review this time. you're the best
I think moviemack might have come to the conclusion that his ran by Spacker Dave	Jun 7th, 2005 07:05:07 AM
Had to keep whining didn't ya mack? Now you look like a fucking prat with egg on his face
Fine review Harry! by solartaco3	Jun 7th, 2005 07:24:32 AM
I am not really hyped for Batman but Harry's review of said movie was won of his finest. Bravo Harry!
Moviemack is simply waiting for any negative reviews, so he can by Nosferatu Jones	Jun 7th, 2005 07:27:12 AM
Either that, or this stereotypical nose-picking, finger-sniffing fanboy is finally getting laid. But that's an admitted long shot.
Thank you Warner Bros by tehDude	Jun 7th, 2005 07:29:16 AM
and everyone who made the movie. Chris Nolan you are the man!1
"There's A Bat In My House"... by workshed	Jun 7th, 2005 07:46:03 AM
...BATTY BATTY BATTY!!! That was a special dedication for HardcoreNigger.
Sefster J by Praetor	Jun 7th, 2005 07:50:17 AM
None of those reviews were pans. In fact most didn't have anything bad to say at all; just that the film was not comic booky enough for their expectations.
The best Harry review...since I've been reading this site.. by Lost Skeleton	Jun 7th, 2005 08:17:52 AM
Alright let's see this
I am so There!! by RighteousBrother	Jun 7th, 2005 08:29:14 AM
Nuff said!
I feel relieved that the "okay design" of the Batman costume wor by JDanielP	Jun 7th, 2005 08:36:10 AM
Hell, yeah!! Batman's costume is all about bringing that element of FEAR to the criminal mind. The costume is a crucial element of that, the purpose behind it but certainly not the ONLY element of fear that Bruce Wayne has in his bag (or belt) of tricks. And I'm THRILLED that this element has emphasis, despite my little nit-picks of the Batsuit design. (I prefer the armor but with a more artistic yet faithful design, in looking both scary and cool.) And despite how my early postings on the Batman costume may have had no effect on the production, at least those postings do not feel in vain. I knew the filmmakers should use shadow and silhouette, a cool visual element of Batman's form, no matter the quality of Batman's costume. And it seems the camera work also contributes to the effect of the costume and the purpose behind it. Perhaps Batman's greatest tool, the ability to infuse criminals with FEAR, has finally gained the attention it deserves in a Batman film. God, I love this feeling. I can't wait to see this. And all I can say now is... MOVE OVER Darth Vader. Batman just tapped you on your shoulder... and is about to make you shit your pants!!!!
"If you want Chris Nolan, but can only get Brett Ratner... wait! by Nosferatu Jones	Jun 7th, 2005 08:36:14 AM
Sorry. Had to say it.
Come in Moviemack.....your time is up!!!! by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 08:38:38 AM
Now I know what he's gonna say..'a couple of reviews don't mean shit man.....it's still gonna suck...waaa waaaa!!!!' I wonder if he'll be man enough to admit he's wrong. I will. When I see the movie, and if I think it sucks (however unlikely) I promise to return here and say I was wrong and that Movemack was right!! So there.....please god, don't let it suck....I really don't want to agree with Moviemack.
Cheers by CJA	Jun 7th, 2005 08:40:48 AM
That was EXACTLY what I wanted to hear about this film.
hey by symphy	Jun 7th, 2005 08:49:32 AM
did you hear katie holmes is dating tom cruise?
Joey is dating Maverick!!!!!!!!!!! Good god, didn't know tha by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 08:59:55 AM
You'd think it would be wall to wall coverage, what with both of them having movies out and all! [sarcastic mode off]
"A ghost story that scum tells each other late at night by GrandMuffTarkin	Jun 7th, 2005 09:19:29 AM
Isn't that Keyser Soze? Ripoff.
Best Link Ever by AllHailTheChin	Jun 7th, 2005 09:21:01 AM
http://www.houston-imports.com /forums/showthread.php?t=18978 0 Enjoy lads, Enjoy, be quick though.
Attaching any meaning to the fact that Caine accepted a role is by SalvatoreGravano	Jun 7th, 2005 09:23:25 AM
Caine is the proverbial celluloid prostitute. There is nothing that Caine ever refused to do. He would probably happily film gay porn if he got enough money for it. (Well, they would not want him anymore - but 30 years ago...) Funnily enough, Benny "Suh" Kingsley seems to follow Caine's example of of never saying "no" to anything now... you can probably expect him in the sequel.
Someone posted a bunch of cracked porn passes above and thinks i by SalvatoreGravano	Jun 7th, 2005 09:27:39 AM
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If Paris Hilton used her money to be a superhero by Knobules	Jun 7th, 2005 09:29:17 AM
Id still hate her.
Personally, if you read a good 1000 issues of Batman stories by Harker-Writes	Jun 7th, 2005 09:29:52 AM
Who wants to read 1000 issues of a comic to get one good story? Comics are for kids. That's why the movies that are made out of them are usually very bad.
Too right. by DR mandrake	Jun 7th, 2005 09:32:22 AM
If this movie doesn't completely kick arse, I will be simultaneously shocked and pissed off to the max. With the talent making up this cast, there is no excuse for a lackluster film.
RE: If Paris Hilton used her money to be a superhero by DR mandrake	Jun 7th, 2005 09:33:40 AM
lol I read that and the only superhero I could think of was along the lines of Mysterio. Except her name would just be Fellatio.
Harker-Writes: 'Comics are for kids. That's why the movi by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 09:35:08 AM
Gentlemen.....start you flaming!!! Seriously dude, ya now gonna get verbally bitchslapped by lots of over obssessed fanboys for that comment.
Harker wants us to think he writes for the New Yorker. by FluffyUnbound	Jun 7th, 2005 09:41:24 AM
It's not working, though.
I couldn't make it past the first paragraph... by Bajaboy	Jun 7th, 2005 09:50:28 AM
because of poor sentence structure, such as the following... "Moved in with my father and to earn a living and my way through college we began selling our Silver Age and Golden Age comics at conventions all over Texas and all anybody anywhere could talk about was BATMAN." I'm guessing you didn't take an English course, Harry. Or a journalism course, for that matter. I realize there are deadlines to be met, and stories to be scooped, but that opening paragraph is THE WORST I've read here. Luckily, it's on the net and not in print. If it was, then as The Newspaper Chief in "The Hudsucker Prodigy" said, "I'd wrap a fish in it. I'd use it as kindling. Hell, I'd even train my poodle with it if he wasn't a French poodle and more partial to the pages of Paree Soir. But I wouldn't shell out a hard-earned nickle to read the dadblamed thing!" And Harry, finish an idea... don't write a sentence that only contains a subject, but completely leaves out the predicate. What exactly is the meaning of the following...? "Anyone that read that legendary draft, a script that Tarantino has been heard to say it was one of the best scripts he
where is the Sam Hamm script Harry read in 05/'88 ? Link, pl by Gus Nukem	Jun 7th, 2005 09:52:30 AM
thanks... in advance
Enough with the Hamm script, Harry by wackynephews	Jun 7th, 2005 09:55:27 AM
It wasn't that good in the first place and it certainly doesn't hold up years after the fact. Even Sam admits that nowadays, heck he even admitted it back then, it's why he changed his name to Sam Hamm...S. Hamm...sham...get it? It was an awful treatment that had so many winks and nods in it that it failed to even tell a coherent story...never mind the dialogue was awful. Just let it die, Harry, you may have loved it but it wasn't that good.
"And why not?" by Koji Kabuto	Jun 7th, 2005 09:55:52 AM
Good God... Harry's turning into Barry Norman... Harry Norman? Barry Knowles?
Bajaboy by BRUTICUS	Jun 7th, 2005 10:01:04 AM
be a dove and take the hate meter down a notch will ya? What a tard. How's that for sentence structure, asspirate?
'Good God... Harry's turning into Barry Norman' Good by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 10:04:15 AM

Anyone remember Darren Aranofsky's Batman script from years by CKnightShift	Jun 7th, 2005 10:08:23 AM
The one with Alfred as a black man who told Bruce that he looked "SLAMMIN'!"
Gus: here it is by wackynephews	Jun 7th, 2005 10:25:01 AM
http://www.scifiscripts.com/sc ripts/ batmanscript.txt (remove spaces)
R.C.'s opinion: I know where Moviemack is. by R.C. the "Wise"	Jun 7th, 2005 10:25:32 AM
He's behind the Arclight Cinema's blowing people to earn enough doe to purchase his uppers! hahahahahahaha... Fuck that fag! He would have negative things to say about anything.
Anybody want to bet 'HardcoreN*#@&^' is the same guy as by Stan the Bat	Jun 7th, 2005 10:31:09 AM
Just a thought.
The conversion of Harry Knowles by Gunschlinger	Jun 7th, 2005 10:31:22 AM
It is interesting how Harry never really joined the bandwagon on this until he saw it. Take note moviemack. Maybe its because BB bought ad space on AICN though.
If Nolan wishes to do films in-between by DOGSOUP	Jun 7th, 2005 10:34:06 AM
Great Harry, twist the fucking M-Cron knife a little deeper
Tom Mankiewicz > Sam Hamm by Saluki	Jun 7th, 2005 10:49:26 AM
I always enjoyed the original Tom Mankiewicz script over that convolted Sam Hamm stuff... http://www.scifiscripts.com/sc ripts/batmanscript1.txt
Nosferatu is right... by Childe Roland	Jun 7th, 2005 10:56:52 AM
...about moviemack and why we're not hearing much from him... yet. Like I said in Moriarty's review talkback, 'mack is waiting for the reviews to pile up so he can pick out the various things people thought were less-than-perfect (which serve to add credibility to their reviews in the context of the otherwise glowing statements most of the reviewers are making), and he's going to list them all as bullets or some such in a monster post conclusively showing that he was right all along and can prove it without having to see the movie because the evidence he's gathered clearly demonstrates that Begins is not the Batman movie he wanted. It will happen, and it will be both sad and funny. Me? I'm there opening day. Hope it's as good as most folks are saying.
Sam Hamm's script epic? by Gheorghe Zamfir	Jun 7th, 2005 11:18:14 AM
How so, Sam Hamm's story was essentially the story of Burton's movie, he just cut out all the cheeky stuff, Dick Grayson, Batman being a flirt, Knox figuring out Bruce was Batman, it certainly wasn't more epic than Burton's movie, and it definitely wasn't better.
67% at rottentomatoes...."cream of the crop" rating at rotten by Atticus Finch	Jun 7th, 2005 11:26:54 AM
Hmmm...
I would hold off on my enthusiasm. by Darksider	Jun 7th, 2005 11:28:54 AM
Seeing Harry's track record for flipping for films. Especially for Goyer's Blade 2. Nolan I haven't really been keen on since Insomnia. The film had the opposite effect on me. I almost fell asleep in that one. Goyer has really impressed me a couple of times, but those times being few and far between. Hollywood needs another go to man for comic films. Batman Begins will probably be the best we have seen, but it still looks like another rubberfest. Only this time without nipples. I would like to see a Batman film more like Batman: The Animated Series.
Isn't it time for DAREDEVIL BEGINS now? by IAmMrMonkey	Jun 7th, 2005 11:36:19 AM
Give us a decent Daredevil film without some fat retard who can't act comedy let alone action playing the hero. Oh and how about a decent villain too eh? And a half decent storyline. Thanks.
Columbia put Watchmen on turnaround, NOT the WB by Hail	Jun 7th, 2005 11:41:46 AM

BEST HARRY REVIEW EVER! by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 11:52:17 AM
Five reasons why: 1) He didn't get bogged down in what he ate for breakfast that morning. 2) He gave his personal history with the characters and the franchise, which made the review, in turn, PERSONAL. 3) He gave wonderful descriptions of major scenes in the film without spoiling the big moments. 4) He thoroughly geeked out, yet maintained composure (see his Blade 2 review for the opposite). 5) Because he gets it right: "BATMAN BEGINS is the very best beginning to a Superhero franchise I
Yes, Atticus, but... by FluffyUnbound	Jun 7th, 2005 11:56:21 AM
Schinkel and the New Yorker reviewer for all practical purposes admit that they only would accept camp in a Batman film, and Todd McCarthy admits in his first sentence that he wanted a children's film. This means that effectively these reviews have to be discarded. No one who wanted a camp fest or a children's film has an opinion worth considering.
Robin by riskebiz	Jun 7th, 2005 12:14:32 PM
I know we'll never see Dick Grayson in this series as Robin, but I would dearly love to have him included in the third film if they are tackling this series right ... which they seem to be doing. This time, cast a 11-13 year old. Also, let it LOOK like Robin this time!!! Chris O'Donnell's costume never once looked like Robin.
Batman Begins review by Mafu	Jun 7th, 2005 12:16:37 PM
Wow. So Mori gave us a sparkling "Batman Begins" review yesterday, and Harry gave us a hearty "Batman Begins" review today? This is good news. Not that I've doubted Nolan, since I think he brought elements of creative grittiness to all his films, but I'm happy to read that "Batman Begins" actually scared people with its intensity. I'll be seeing this one.
To all studio hacks at Fox... by Dmann	Jun 7th, 2005 12:25:48 PM
BATMAN BEGINS: a movie i will see, more than once. It's a DVD I will buy for myself, and my nephews. I will buy tickets for them and myself. I will but popcorn. X-men 3. I WILL NOT PAY FOR. I didn't pay for BLADE 3, I didnt pay for Elektra. I didnt pay for Daredevil, or The Punisher. IF I even bother to see it, I will borrow the DVD, or wait for it to be on Cable during some boring weekend afternoon during bad weather. If I even bother. I didnt with BLADE 3 or ELEKTRA. GET THE MESSAGE??? MAKE A FUCKING GOOD MOVIE, I WILL GIVE YOU MONEY. MAKE A SHIT PIECE OF PRODUCT, I WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY MONEY. YOU LIKE MONEY? MAKE A FUCKING GOOD MOVIE! By the way, Fantastic Four looks like ass, and I wont give you my fucking money unless Moriarty AND Ebert AND Peter Travers AND a bunch of fanboy friends of mine absolutely love it. You already lost my opening weekend money on Craptastic Four. TAKE A FUCKING HINT!
The quick edit fighting. by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2005 12:32:30 PM
So far everyone that has mentioned how confusing the fights are and how tight the shots are still love the movie. That is the one thing that's bothering me (I hate not knowing what's happening in a fight) that and how Ducard and Ra's are resolved in the movie. But like I said the reviewers comment on the quick cuts, but say they don't distract. If Ebert say's it's one of the years best (he hates quick cuts in fights) it must not have bothered him either. I love hearing how creepy this movie is too. I'll be there for Batman Continues and Batman Ends (hopefully not going to be the real titles).
I always liked the idea of David Fincher doing a Dark Knight mov by moviemaniac-7	Jun 7th, 2005 12:44:53 PM
But it seems that Nolan has nailed this one. Can't wait and all the buzz is fucking awesome. And now that Paramount has dropped Watchmen it could be an option for Warners to guide Watchmen to be a fantastic movie.
I agree with Harry about the pretentiousness of critics who must by Barry Egan	Jun 7th, 2005 12:45:03 PM
I got sick of people saying Spider-man 2 was a "great comic book movie." It was a great movie regardless of genre.
You know what his movie needs? by tango fett	Jun 7th, 2005 12:53:38 PM
Vanilla Ice.
Shit. by tango fett	Jun 7th, 2005 12:55:16 PM
Wrong forum. Or is it?
Langhaariger! In welcher Stadt wohnst Du, vielleicht k by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 12:59:22 PM

tango fett, I fully agree with you on Vanilla Ice. His way-too-s by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 01:02:10 PM
Nooooooooooootch!
burtons batman by hank quinlan	Jun 7th, 2005 01:06:42 PM
I hate that overrated first movie. Thanks Harry for pointing out what a disappointment it was. Possibly one of the biggest disappointments of my life. It shouldn't be but it is. Nice production design and thats about it. I have been pumped they gave this to Nolan ever since its announcement. I hope he hits it out of the park. HAHA. Brett ratner. Good luck with that one.
BATMAN RETURNS by all	Jun 7th, 2005 01:07:33 PM
WAS A GREAT COMIC BOOK FILM!!! Easily the best of the bat so far.
Great review Harry! and i'm glad that the BB TBs aren't by CurryIce	Jun 7th, 2005 01:09:39 PM
which were the climax of the worst i thought. well as long as HardcoreNigger doesn't stop to post in every TB the same SHIT and as long as Rabbisodomy doesn't react to him...
How can Harry criticize Batman and Robin? You've loved wors by timmer33	Jun 7th, 2005 01:21:01 PM

Re: BATMAN RETURNS by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2005 01:21:25 PM
Wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't a good one either. The whole thing felt like it was shot inside a set (is was right?) and it felt too confined. Easily forgetable, unlike Batman & Robin which I had to see Lacuna Incorporated about. : (
Plant! by ico-jones	Jun 7th, 2005 01:22:17 PM
Plant!
'tis true my fat ginger friend... by Quintus_Arrius	Jun 7th, 2005 01:29:38 PM
... every now and then you write a plausible review that generates sincere excitement. Bravo to you Mr Knowles... indeed, I say Hail!
Samm Script by Darth Busey	Jun 7th, 2005 01:37:57 PM
OK, I finally got around to looking up and reading the Hamm Batman script. What's the big deal? Its okay...probably 90% of the script made it into Burton's movie, with the only notable exceptions being Dick Grayson and Allie Knox gets killed. The "leaked" Begins script was much, much better than that.
Yeah, I get the feeling... by Christopher3	Jun 7th, 2005 01:40:43 PM
That Schickel and Denby can't accept the Batman character as anything other than camp. They're disappointed that the production design and villains in this one are too understated to distract them from what they perceive as the essential silliness of the main character.
was it ever going to be bad? by phortonfour	Jun 7th, 2005 01:53:03 PM
I mean, compared to Batman and Robin (Ice to see you! Eurgh...) any film would be amazing. Can't wait to see this though! Is Ken Watanabe good in it?
Still no Moviemack!?!?!! Fer shame!!!!! by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 01:55:10 PM

I would describe this move by dwam0	Jun 7th, 2005 01:55:53 PM
As having the pace and gravity of "Unbreakable" with much more tension and thrills. There are several "painted into a corner" moments when you don't know how Batman/Bruce Wayne will get out of trouble. Gotham is turned into a character here and you care about the city's survival, not only because of Jim Gordon, Lucious Fox and others but becuase of what the city means to Bruce Wayne. You fear that if Gotham falls then so will he, into a world of despair, maybe creating an even worse Batman. If this movie is about facing fear the next will probably be about facing/understanding madness and evil. Can't wait.
I can't wait to see this by vicious_bastard	Jun 7th, 2005 01:56:20 PM
I still think any sequels will send us down the same road as before, in search of even more money. It'll get dumbed down with ever more incredible bad guys and glib one-liners until Arnie finally returns as Mr. Freeze in the fourth one - "Ice to see you" etc.
Thanks Hail - my Bad by Rhett Butler	Jun 7th, 2005 02:08:49 PM
But twas Paramount that did the evil deed - Placing Watchmen in Turnaround - My mistake.
Yeah, keep on lovin' that hype... by kintar0	Jun 7th, 2005 02:13:28 PM
You fucking shrivs. moviemack is scared to post because Harry and Mori and a few anonymous reviewers liked Batman Begins? You are all fucking retards. Outside the AICN universe it's not so hot. Rottentomatoes.com, for instance, has it at 6.1/10. That a D. That wouldn't even transfer. All of you dipshits that feel that because AICN likes Batman Begins means the film is some sort of fucking triumph before you've even seen it are way, way worse than moviemack. At least moviemack, and myself, formed our own opinions based on what we observed and read. It's called critical thinking. You are just believing the fucking hype. That's like saying "oh, George Bush won the election, you fucking Democrats are wrong assholes, NOW CONVERT TO THE REPUPLICAN PARTY!" AICN gave good reviews to Daredevil. You're getting your opinions from a third party. That makes you an idiot. Think for yourself. The leaked script sucked. Mori basically confirmed that the leaked script was in fact genuine in his review. The Batsuit looks crappy. The Batmobile looks crappy. The trailers look crappy. The premise of Ra's al Ghul hiding his identity is crappy and out of character. The Rachel Dawes subplot is crappy. Scarecrow looks crappy. Morgan Freeman plays, gasp, Morgan Freeman. Again. Am I going to see the film? You bet. This is where I'll form my final opinion. How is this so fucking hard to get? But so far, to me, this looks like another shitty Batman movie.
jesus - it begins... by vicious_bastard	Jun 7th, 2005 02:20:13 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/articl e/0,,2004580002-2005260254,00. html More tabloid sleaze. "Charles Roven, producer of new movie Batman Begins, is convinced the two men in tights will meet up soon. He
Fight scenes by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 02:21:08 PM
In my review, I mentioned the fights were filmed rather close, occasionalyl rendering parts of the frame a blur, but don't get me wrong, YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!! Quite frankly, we view Batman in many of the fight scenes the way his prey does. He pops up in quick flashes with a fist, a boot, a clunk and they're out. And it's not as confusing at the fights in The Bourne Supremacy. Ask me, this if how Batman should fight, not with choreographed routines where everyone's a karate master, but with quick, decisive takedowns. And Mr. Miracle, you can call this more hype, but I've seen the movie and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. I think many others who read this site will as well.
Man of Stool, ich wohne im tiefsten Ruhrpott... by DerLanghaarige	Jun 7th, 2005 02:22:44 PM
direkt zwischen Castrop-Rauxel und Oer-Erkenschwick, wo Leonardo DiCaprios Oma lebt!!! I really hope Batman Begins is so fucking great as everyone says. I felt a little bit disappointed from Episode III.
Having a contrary opinion isn't the same as critical thinkin by Gheorghe Zamfir	Jun 7th, 2005 02:25:34 PM
People who are excited for the film have based their opinions on, guess what, things they have observed and read, just like you and you're critically thought out opinion. Just because your opinion is different doesn't make it smarter, and the fact that its contrary certainly doesn't make it more informed, somehow people who are looking forward to the film are stupid for having that opinion before they've seen it, while you're opinion that it looks shitty before you've seen it is oh so holy. And for future reference, this looks crappy, and this looks crappy, and this looks crappy, so the movie looks shitty, is NOT critical thinking, its just reacting to your own opinion, which is fine, its what you most people do before they've seen a movie, and there's nothing wrong with it, but don't get so eager to jump on your high horse when people do the same thing, just with a different opinion.
Variety confirms: WATCHMEN has been put in turnaround at Paramou by brokentusk	Jun 7th, 2005 02:29:47 PM
Well, this has been a shit week for movie news. First Brett Ratner signs on to direct an X-MEN film, and now WATCHMEN, which sounded so promising, doesn't have a studio or budget. Apparently they're shopping the film around, along with Paul Greengrass, to other studios. This SUCKS!
Mr_Miracle by Quintus_Arrius	Jun 7th, 2005 02:38:40 PM
You're just a jumped up little fuck. That's just my opinion having read your opinion. Cunt!
Oh, there you are, Harry! by zacdilone	Jun 7th, 2005 02:39:20 PM
That's a Harry review of old. Feels like old times.
Burton's Batman films are horribly overrated by BigTuna	Jun 7th, 2005 02:41:36 PM
They're so boring. They desperately need more action for a superhero film. And shutup about Returns. It may be dark and starange and not for mainstream audiences but that doesn't make it a masterpiece. It's shit.
hey by Russman	Jun 7th, 2005 02:41:53 PM
did you hear katie holmes is dating tom cruise?
"At least moviemack, and myself, formed our own opinions based o by IAmMrMonkey	Jun 7th, 2005 02:44:11 PM
So where are everyone else getting their opinions from then? You got your opinions from what you have seen and read outside this site. You want a pat on the back for being able to look at different websites?
Thanks for clearing that up MasterWhedon by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2005 02:45:37 PM
That explains things rather perfectly. Hey Mr_Miracle, last time I checked rottentomatoes.com was a third party too, but to quote you, "You're getting your opinions from a third party. That makes you an idiot. Think for yourself." Dude, you just called yourself an idiot.
Langhaariger! by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 02:49:09 PM
Bin Braunschweiger. So much for that idea... Lass uns nach "opening night" nochmal texten. Hab`auch gewaltige Erwartungen an die Fledermaus! Memento and Insomnia were THE SHIT!!!
Burton's Batman by Sans Souci	Jun 7th, 2005 02:51:36 PM
Why no love for Tim Burton's take on the character? Because he chose to embrace the more goofy and surreal aspects of the comics? Part of the problem is that "X-Men" made it respectible for movies based on comic book characters to be "realistic," eschewing some of the more outrageous concepts you used to find in the funny books. The Joker's wacky parade? The Prince soundtrack with requite "Batdance" single? I seem to recall a whole lot of people enjoying Burton's first Batman a whole heck of a lot back in the day! I've always been more partial to Batman Returns, but that has much to do with a certain unhinged cat broad. Burton's films were true comic book movies: gothic, somewhat silly, removed from mundane reality without totally eschewing it. They were Greek tragedies in their own manner. Schumacher's sequels sadly went soley for the visual style with nothing underneath to back it up. The raves I'm hearing about Batman Begins don't instill me with confidence. It sounds like it will be gritty and dark and oh-so-realistic. Fine and dandy, but an aspect of the absurd is needed. "New" does not always mean "better."
Saying those elements are crappy like that... by kintar0	Jun 7th, 2005 02:51:38 PM
is a summary of my opinion of Batman Begins. I've been on these Batman Begins talkbacks for a long, long time. I've BEEN going into detail for a long, long time. I'm not going to rehash and make my post even longer. Lots of posts in this talkback alone demand some sort of recant from the haters, most from people who haven't seen the film. I'm not, and never have, criticizing other peeps who have an opinion that differs from mine. Sure, I fiercely disagree, based on the evidence so far. And yes, I think my opinion is superior to opinions that do not agree with mine. Do you even know what an opinion is? All opinions are not created equal. I'm criticizing the douche bags who are jumping on the bandwagon and are calling out the haters based on a few online reviews. "...while you're opinion that it looks shitty before you've seen it is oh so holy." Exactly, dork. It's my opinion that this films LOOKS shitty. And it's before I've seen the film. Hence my fucking summary.
And I didn't say Rottentomatoes.com had anything to do with by kintar0	Jun 7th, 2005 02:53:43 PM
So you're still the idiot, The Heathen.
~crosses fingers~ Oh please, oh please, oh please by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 03:05:06 PM
let this be as good as most are saying. I'm not coming down on either side here...no way do i want to get flamed for a film that i haven't seen. I think ALOT
Exactly, dork. It's your opinion. by Gheorghe Zamfir	Jun 7th, 2005 03:09:37 PM
And the point was, it has zip to do with critical thinking. Or do you even know what critical thinking is? And no where did I say you couldn't sit there and admire your own little opinions, however superior you imagine them to be, my point was that your opinion is just that, an opinion, and its not the result of any kind of higher ground.
continued... by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 03:11:04 PM
I think ALOT of people are going off half cocked about how this film will rule or suck when they haven't seen it. I dont care if you have read the script and declared it fantastic or shit. A script is not a film its the merest outline. Hey they not my words they are Nic Roeg's so i think we could all agree on that. I have to wit till the 19th for this so ill be reading every non spoiler review for this until then. I want make up my mind until the fil is over. Anyone who has already is an idiot. Wether they love it or hate it. Oh and is anyone really expecting Moviemack or anyone else for that matter to change opinion after seeing this movie???? Anyone who thinks that is a fucking idiot also. (in my opinion, lol)
I have seen the movie.................IT'S AWESOME......and by Monkeybrains	Jun 7th, 2005 03:24:08 PM
It's true! The Scarecrow scenes steal the movie, along with the Batmobile in action. I was very surprised how much fun it is. Very dark. (Please for the love of God leave and children under 5 at home...all the time, in fact) Batman is one pissed of S.O.B. Just my opinion, have actually SEEN the movie at an advance screening. The audiance gave it a standing ovation when it was over!
the location of moviemack by Aves	Jun 7th, 2005 03:26:35 PM
He's over at another Batman talkback whining about how Episode 3 stunk and everyone of us who pushed it up to over 300 million are idiots. I've finally figured out Moviemack. He's the nerd that decided he was tired of having his head stuck in the toilet so he started wearing fake leather, replaced his coke bottle glasses with prescription shades, and started hating anything that anyone else liked so it would appear like he actually had an orginal thought in his head, and oh let's not forget the "cool rebel" image all self-hating nerds aspire to portray. Quite simply his opinion is the opposite of whatever seems to be successful, popular, or even good just because he has to look like he's got a different, more valid opinion than everyone else. If everyone hates Batman when it come out he'll call us haters who can not realize when a comic book movie has been done right if we love it he'll say Nolan is worse than Lucas, George Clooney should be Batman again, and nipples on the Batsuit were a result of genius inspiration from the costuming department. Please moviemack please just go away.
OPINIONS! by Shigeru	Jun 7th, 2005 03:31:52 PM
If everything is relative and all the different opinions that different people have are all True, then none of them are true, because my opinion is that all other opinions are wrong!! Did I lose anybody??
Paradoxically paradoxical by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 03:35:48 PM
LMAO Shigeru. I love that post. If all opinions are false by defaulty then your opinion that all opinions are wrong, is, indeed wrong. Therefore all opinions are correct!?!?! I dont know if i lost anybody but i think im getting close to crawling up my OWN opinion here. Hey Shigeru maybe you could write the Riddlers dialogue for BatmanBegins 4?
Shumacher's Gotham City was so gay R. Kelly made a song abou by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 03:35:52 PM
Here's hoping that NEVER...EVER...IN THE HISTORY OF MAN...happen again.
this movie is going to blow my cunt off by andyrew	Jun 7th, 2005 03:36:55 PM
Batman..batman you say..coming..for you...im counting on it.
Holy fuck, i must have repressed the R. Kelly song from y memory by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 03:38:07 PM

Mind you I have heard R. Kelly's whole career is chuging alo by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 03:40:34 PM

haha thanks TonyWilson by Shigeru	Jun 7th, 2005 03:40:57 PM
I think you may be onto something there!
R. Kelly by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 03:42:29 PM
You remember in that song how he had the children's choir kick up on the chorus? Makes me cringe that they actually PAID for him to be around little children. And, in the slightest defense of Batman Forever, I have to say that I really did enjoy Jim Carrey as the Riddler. In that movie. If the Riddler were to be brought back in the Begins universe, Carrey's energy would be a bit to manic. Anyway, that bit andyrew posted is my favorite from Forever.
My apologies about the R. Kelly thing by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 03:43:34 PM
I might even lose sleep over it myself actually...UNTILL JUNE 15TH BITCHES!!! ALRIIIIIGHT!!!!!
CITY OF JUSTICE, CITY OF LOVE, CITY OF PEACE, FOR EVERY ONE OF U by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 03:50:16 PM
Boy, I`m gonna get A LOT OF hate for this... It was just tempting LOL
On behalf of a grateful fanboy nation... by DocPazuzu	Jun 7th, 2005 03:52:06 PM
...I'd like to thank moviemack for setting himself up so laboriously so that we all might enjoy the exquisite pleasure of witnessing his most spectacular swan dive and subsequent flattening impact upon the hard, unforgiving surface of reality. The accompanying farting sound - as opposed to the expected explosion - was an added bonus. Bravo, sir, bravo.
Matter of fact Harry, feel free to delete any of the R. Kelly po by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 03:53:25 PM
Ever since someone brought up the Bat credit card for whatever reason the song kicked into my head and I can't get it out. That is, by far and away, the worst thing to ever happen to the Batman character alone, nevermind the movie franchise itself. Jesus! The choir!!! Get it out of my head!!!!
Sweet Jewish Baby Jesus.....Man of Stool....you know the Fucking by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 03:58:01 PM
I cant believe you know the words. Then again if you went and hunted down the lyrics....i stil despise you...that was just mean and uncalled for.
DocPazuzu by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 04:01:49 PM
moviemack's been hanging out in and old post (for my review, nonetheless--like the plug?) over here (http://www.aintitcool.com/tb_ display.cgi?id=20384#912155), perhaps to escape the onslaught going on here.
Mr_Miracle, it is only your opinion. by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2005 04:02:25 PM
Why mention Rotten Tomatoes if it has nothing to do with your opinion? Apparently you're scoping it out, checking the average scores, even giving it a fucking letter grade, and your ranting away over here about your "oh so holy" fuck opinion, but say that it has nothing to do with it? I thought that you were trying to rationalize that other people had your opinion (except they have actually SEEN the movie) so you wouldn't sound like the unsufferable ass that you are. Just because you "think" doesn't make you superior to anything. Hitler was able to "think" but he was a tyrant that wanted genocide, and guess what? he was fucking wrong. Get out of here if you don't want to see the movie and only have your "opinion" based on a trailer or a script because you haven't seen the movie!
TonyWilson:OK, I AM sorry. I wasn`t out to hurt anyone, it was j by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 04:04:14 PM
By the way: Concerning the lyrics, I do have some sort of photographic memory when it comes to bad songs. Kinda annoying. If you ask reeeeal nicely, I will gladly post some David Hasselhoff lyrics.
Hey HarcoreNegro by Fart King	Jun 7th, 2005 04:05:07 PM
There can't be a black Batman, the whole fighting crime thingie would get in the way.
Mr Miracle by Aves	Jun 7th, 2005 04:05:09 PM
That's like saying "oh, George Bush won the election, you fucking Democrats are wrong assholes, NOW CONVERT TO THE REPUPLICAN PARTY!" What? What has that got to do with anything? Dear Lord I just wish for once a talkback could be free of political whining. YOU LOST, get over it. I could actually agree with what you were saying about Batman Begins, as far as not relying on a third party to form opinion, now myself, I like the trailers. I like the car. I have not read the script so I know nothing about that, however from what I have observed with my own eyes I like what I have seen. Mircacle despite your whining over politcal events that happened last fall, but not all of us who like what we have seen so far ,and have high hopes for Batman Begins, are not mindless zombies who feed on the hype that Harry spews.
Oops, I meant Hardcore... by Fart King	Jun 7th, 2005 04:06:45 PM

HOLY SHIT! FORGET BLACK BATMAN! FORGET ASIAN BATMAN! COME TO THI by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 04:07:40 PM
Danahnahnahnahnahnahnah... BATMAAAAN! With detractable beerbelly!
"retractable", that is. Sorry, us Germanz bad in ze Englisch! by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 04:09:51 PM

Yeah I know the words...GOTHAM CITY...OH YEAH by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 04:09:52 PM
It took me HOURS upon hours of endless research to find those lyrics online! My God, man. (Of course, I'm kidding. I mean...you do REALIZE that, right?)
Geez, it is true by Fart King	Jun 7th, 2005 04:11:41 PM
Germans DO love David Hasselhoff.
Should have read by Aves	Jun 7th, 2005 04:12:18 PM
add you seem intelligent after fall.
I saw it yesterday.... by slappy jones	Jun 7th, 2005 04:12:30 PM
....and hated it. Yeah, the grounded it in reality alright. Too much reality. Yawn-o-rama. where were the awesome puns and play on words?? How come the scarecrow didnt say something like "hahaha..come on now dark knight...don't be a scaredy BAT" it was really missing things like that.....
Hasslehoff lyrics??? by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 04:12:49 PM
Oh please please post them Yeh no hard feelings re R.Kelly i mean after all the nausea and headaches i was actualy able to chuckle. On another note though I was really looking forward to a Moviemack post. I disagree with most of what he says but hell he was entertaining.
Yeah, I should've read a little further...again by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 04:18:44 PM
I didn't realize there was a guy on this post actually named MAN OF STOOL. Hard to believe, but apparently its true. Somebody sure looks ignorant.
MOVIEMACK!! LET'S GET HIM!! by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 04:26:47 PM
Grab your pitchforks, folks!! Light your torches! We got us a monster to smite! Grr! Argh! He's been posting over here for the past few hours: http://www.aintitcool.com/tb_d isplay.cgi?id=20384#912155 If we get enough townsfolk together, we might be able to smoke him out!!
As soon as a floodgate of positive reviews come pouring in, Movi by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 04:31:42 PM
Whatta coincidence Mack.
David Hasselhoff lyrics really suck ass! Duh! They are written w by Man of Stool	Jun 7th, 2005 04:35:47 PM
I`VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FREEDOM, I`VE BEEN LOOKING SO LONG, I`VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FREEDOM, STILL THE SEARCH GOES ON!
Ohh Moooviemmmaccckkkk!!! Heeellllooooo!!!! Ollyollyoxenfree! by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 04:36:04 PM
Oh come on now.......you can come in here and give your opinion....we won't laugh.....much!
Isn't it hard.... by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 04:37:47 PM

'I`VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FREEDOM, I`VE BEEN LOOKING SO LONG by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 04:37:52 PM
...hey there's nothing wrong with a good '80s power ballad....is there???...................... .............................. ......................i'll get me coat.
SCREW NOLAN, its all about KEATON!!! by Matty_Doom	Jun 7th, 2005 04:38:21 PM
Oh i hope Harry doesnt have his head up his ass for this sucky review. HAHA~! Only Michael Keaton is the one true Batman. He's got the CHIN of GREATNESS!!!! So what if he's 4'5"! Keaton was badass. Not like that gay-licious Schumacher's Batman. Maybe they'll have Tracey Walters make a cameo and bring back Keaton. UUURRGH, burton's Batman was the best! None of this gay "Ducard" crap existed then! Only penguins, Bob the Goon, and fat Jack Nicholson!
Isn't it hard..... by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 04:38:53 PM
to be a scary badass in velvet?
hey by Russman	Jun 7th, 2005 04:39:42 PM
did you hear katie holmes is dating tom cruise?
Yes but Keaton was small....small.....s..m...all by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 04:40:02 PM

Russman: 'did you hear katie holmes is dating tom cruise? by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 7th, 2005 04:43:21 PM
Sheesh!!! Go get a copy of Hello magazine already!!!!
i guess by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 04:47:41 PM
he has to be pretty BADASS. tho i can see a dude in velvet whuppin my arse while carrying a man purse in boots with high heels. i'll still be 1st in line at the IMAX tho
about rottentomatos... by IamNumber1	Jun 7th, 2005 04:55:51 PM
As of today June 7th, rotten tomatos has a total of 11 reviews. so three people don't like the movie. Big Deal. Wait until we get about a hundred more reviews in, and then it might mean something.
Dating!!! by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 04:59:26 PM
for real, say it aint so. is velvet the new leather. And does that make leather the new garbardine?
DA BLACK HARRY KNOWLES!!!! by MOOMBA is HERE	Jun 7th, 2005 05:04:26 PM
This is my impression oif Harry was a big fat black KNEEGAR!!!.... Hello DER! Dis is da BLACK HARRY KNOWLES reporting about da new Black man i mean BATMAN BEgins movie. Niggas, lemme say dat dis shit was CUM GUZZLING TERRIFFIC!!! While in the theaters watching dis here Chris Nolan joint, I was unbuttoning my short shorts and whipped out my long-ass fuck African Anaconda Mambo Snake! I spit inta' mah hand and started rubbing and gettin dat shit MAD slobbery! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck, ma h dick was in Batcave paradise! I started to suck on mah own arfrican cavecock and began to suck that malt liquor I call cum down to Christian Bales hot Bruce Wayne 6-pack... oh nigga...NIGGAA...NIGGGAAAAAA!! !!111 Moomba has spoken!!!
These posts, are, becoming increasingly more surreal. by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 05:07:12 PM
Can you be surreal AND racist?? Moomba is trying. lol
Is Moviemack REALLy Goyer or Nolan? Or just a piss-lid? by Mr Chuff	Jun 7th, 2005 05:08:22 PM

NY Kid by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 05:24:36 PM
yo what up playa, where brooklyn at?
Sorry, Harry, but Sam Hamm's original BATMAN draft isn't by Cash Bailey	Jun 7th, 2005 05:31:08 PM
Granted, it's better than what we ended up with, but not by much. At about the halfway point it becomes a totally different movie that, in the end, simply fails to achieve what it sets out to do. Hamm's script was filled with a lot of truly appalling 'meaningful' dialogue between Bruce and Vicki of the "Only you can save yourself, Bruce," "I don't know if there's any of me left to save" variety. The introduction of Dick Grayson so late into the script was ridiculously out-of-the-blue (they were right to hold that off for a later film) and went nowhere. The last act and finale was a complete cluster-fuck that didn't have any rhythm or appropriate emotional resolution. It's like Hamm was told he had to finish the script in the next five pages. Worst of all, the half-assed love triangle between Bruce, Vicki and Knox was pointless and terribly written. Considering that Knox was simply comic relief from the beginning, trying to emotionally involve him deeper into the story was superfluous. To his credit, Hamm clearly wanted to make a more emotional, character-driven Dark Knight (which is more than can be said for the chimps that wrote BATMAN WITH NIPPLES) but he just doesn't have the talent to pull it off convincingly, as is strongly evidenced in his brave but useless WATCHMEN script.
Mack I got a question.. by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 05:33:56 PM
I'm new here, why do u get so much flack. Well i got 2. Do you really go against the grain to hate everything?
Flack by Man Juice	Jun 7th, 2005 05:40:12 PM
It's not a bad thing. you got mentioned quite a few times in this TB. I was trying to get a feel for the situation thats all.
moviemack by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 05:53:20 PM
I think it'd be safe to say we disagree on the movie, although I'm glad to hear you found some virtue in it. If Harry won't post your review, post it in here. I, for one, would be very interested to hear what you have to say, and I'm betting it'd start some nice debate, mostly of the "moviemack is a fucktard" variety. You fucktard.
Goodbye Anne Bancroft... by Napolean Solo	Jun 7th, 2005 05:59:30 PM
You will be remembered
Anne, I have a favour to ask... by Napolean Solo	Jun 7th, 2005 06:00:55 PM
Is it at all possible that you could take the cinematic career of Clive Owen with you? Please?
OF COURSE my opinion is better than yours, 'mack. That' by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 06:09:23 PM
And my dad can kick your dad's ass too. That aside, I'd still like to hear what you have to say so we can have a nice, respectful disagreement. And yes, Anne Bancroft was still married to Mel Brooks.
I am not going to get involved in the specifics of this debate M by TonyWilson	Jun 7th, 2005 06:20:22 PM
However, Whedon for his faults (of which there are a few) is not a hack. At all. He always tries to come at things from original angles. He loves his characters and writes them very very well. Well I'm sure ill be shot down for that little rant but i couldn't give a fuck.
And 'mack, when did you and I become lovers? by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 06:21:06 PM
I mean, hey, cool by me. I was just wondering... And the Whedon ain't no hack. He's not because I say so and, as we've learned, whoever says something last in TalkBack always wins.
Anne Bancroft by aikimoe	Jun 7th, 2005 06:31:55 PM
...won the Best Actress Oscar in 1962 for "The Miracle Worker." She won the Tony for the same role on Broadway. She was in "Agnes of God" and "Elephant Man." She was married to Mel for 49 fucking years and she was an absolutely brilliant actress.
So are the Aquaman and Flash cameos real? by stlfilmwire	Jun 7th, 2005 06:34:33 PM
I hear that they both appear w/o their costumes. If so, this is crazy.
'Aquaman and Flash' by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 07:07:56 PM
I highly doubt it but that better not be true. That sounds like Fantastic Four feces right there. Having Nick Cage's Ghost Rider casually strolling the streets of New York during the climatic FF/Dr. Doom scene. Whistling, minding his own business, then Nick Cage is all like 'Oh snap! Check out the Fantastic Four in action! That's wiiiild. Now let me snatch this little kid from falling debris like a lame-ass Stan Lee cameo! Just doing my part as a HERO'. Now THAT wouldn't surprise me. At least Stan Lee had a respectable excuse compared that kind of mushy garbage.
Aquaman and Flash are very much NOT in the movie. by MasterWhedon	Jun 7th, 2005 07:10:02 PM

Where's moviemack? by GiftedInThePants	Jun 7th, 2005 07:31:41 PM
LMAO ORFFLES. I'll be there opening night.
Yeah, I hope BB is fantastic, but I just read Sam Hamm's ori by iamnicksaicnsn	Jun 7th, 2005 07:41:15 PM
and except for a couple of dialogue choices (some Joker points, some Bruce and Vicki stuff), it's a pretty damn good story. The action scenes are much more bold than Burton's (which I still love), but I realize that this was 1988, and a movie of this scope couldn't ever be realized realistically back then without costing assloads of cash. Robin was a little too Jason Todd, though, and Sam should have delved more into Bruce explaining to Dick why he needed to back off. And did they really have laptops back then? I can't even remember.
sniff tear.... by MaulRat	Jun 7th, 2005 07:43:41 PM
wow harry... You had me at "Michael Bay's Dick"..... Now why would someone write that?... when you think of the sound of a movie, is Michael Bay's dick the first thing that pops into your head?..
Fantastic by DukeDeMondo	Jun 7th, 2005 08:08:32 PM
Great review Harry, one of your best. www.mondoirlando.com
Has anyone seen this Crispin Glover vid on iFilm? by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 08:20:18 PM
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdeta il/2644822 You SERIOUSLY want this fuckhead as your Joker??? Get the fuck out of here. LMAO
Hmmm..interesting by perfecto_fan	Jun 7th, 2005 08:30:32 PM
The more I am hearing about this Bat-Man Begins, the more I am becoming interested and optimistic at the same time. I was never interested in this flick, but time is changing that. I have not seen a good Batman movie yet....The 1st one was decent but probably because how cheesy it was...with a very humorous and inspired Joker performance. Well, it is for certain that I will Buy a Batman Begins ticket, and it is a very good chance that I may enjoy this Flick..Hope it happens.
All I can say moviemack is I hope you're wrong by IamNumber1	Jun 7th, 2005 08:32:58 PM
I won't get into any arguements with you about how the movie is, because I haven't seen it yet and you have. But like I said in the moriarty talkback, I wish that we would get some great movies in theaters again. From the previews and the general feedback (not reliable sources I know), the movie looks great. And believe me, I'm sick of being let down. I'll be there tuesday at midnight and I'll talk to you later. By the way, wasn't Lucius Fox always the supplier for the Batmobile and some of the gadgets in the comics? Doesn't seem like a Q rippoff to me, but just wondering.
Yes Lucius was always in the comics. I never understood the whol by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	Jun 7th, 2005 08:44:49 PM

by sandyboy	Jun 7th, 2005 08:46:28 PM
i'm so sick of this habit of greenlighting trilogies or sequels before the first one is even out - as soon as i heard Batman Begins was part one of three i lost all fucking interest in it. I can't be fucked with 3 movies, truly I can't. I like Batman and have always wanted a good Batman movie - but only that - A GOOD BATMAN MOVIE - not a good Batman franchise. it all feels like prefab shite, plastic cheese, aerosol scrambled eggs. unoriginal bollocks. uninteresting macdonalds movies
If Harry won't publish moviemack's review... by adambalm	Jun 7th, 2005 09:09:17 PM
...then Moviemack should post it in this talkback. That we might review his review, and others might review our review of the review.
Just thought you all might want to know... by Moonwatcher	Jun 7th, 2005 09:47:04 PM
heard on the radio tonight that one of my favorite actresses, Anne Bancroft, died of cancer at 73. What a classy lady, and a great performer. So long, Mrs. Robinson - I think we know where you have gone.
Yeah, that's right, stop the presses... by Moonwatcher	Jun 7th, 2005 09:49:42 PM
should have scrolled up a little further before passing on my "scoop."
Heh... if you read between the lines of moviemack's posts, y by Jon_Snow	Jun 7th, 2005 09:56:29 PM

Uh, he did admit it... by adambalm	Jun 7th, 2005 10:03:15 PM
"I saw it, Roland. Saw it before you. It's not nearly as bad as I thought it was going tobe [sic]" I guess, if you can call 'I hate it less than before' pleasant surprise.
Coming from Moviemack, "ITS NOT NEARLY AS BAD AS I THOUGHT IT WA by Jon_Snow	Jun 7th, 2005 10:15:10 PM

First! by RetroActive	Jun 7th, 2005 10:17:13 PM
er, I mean...damn you, dial-up!
This movie kicks ass by razinlilhell	Jun 7th, 2005 10:31:08 PM
i just got back from a preview showing here in Cleveland and i have to see that every good thing that has been said about this movie is true. Finally we have the kind of Batman movie that should have been made years ago.Very dark, gritty and very much story driven. Not only is it easily the best of the lot (tho the original Batman is really the only one that counts) but its also one of the best comic-book movie adaptations so far. Warner Brother is gonna have to hire some extra people to count all the money theyre gonna be making off this movie.
RABBI SODOMY is a pussy.... by Vigilante	Jun 7th, 2005 10:35:36 PM
dumb ass. You like pulling childish pranks on these Talkbacks because you think you're pushing people's buttons. Only post if you want to talk movies dumb ass whore! You better squeeze your twat, cunt! You know you like this. Stop making racial slurs about Halle Berry. The only buttons you're pushing are the people who are more crazier than you. Watch your back BITCH! By the way, Don't bother posting to respond to this. I WONT BE READING TALKBACK FOR A LONG TIME. So quit acting like calling yourself Sodomy makes you not vulnerable and doesn't bother you because deep down inside YOU KNOW IT DOES! and it BOTHERS YOU. I won't be on talkback for a long time so get revenge on YOURSELF by shuttin you're dumb pussy up, and just start crying...BITCH! Apologies to AICN and fans, but no one was regulating this BITCH for racial slurs and extreme obscenities. I am Vigilante. See you all next year! RabbiSodomy, thanks for being you, keep it up! You know you wanted this, so just cry with joy AND watch yo back, BITCH!
Eccleston for The Joker!!! Make it so! by lynxpro	Jun 7th, 2005 10:38:18 PM
I'm going to be as persistent in this casting suggestion as I was for making Ra's Al Ghul the villain of this flick since I was the original poster that kept on demanding this when Warners was content to let Aronofsky misfire with his planned film. I'm happy someone at Warner's actually listened for a change. Now follow that success up with hiring Christopher Eccleston to portray The Joker in the sequel. And do try to bring Talia Al Ghul into the later flicks, either portayed by Monica Bellucci or Angelina Jolie.
re: this movie kicks ass by RetroActive	Jun 7th, 2005 10:38:53 PM
Box office gold? Let's hope so, razin. I still have one concern; why does yet another lady end up in the batcave? does it at least make sense as opposed to, "I'm so into you! Let me C4 my secret identity and get you into bed!"
C'mon Mack. by halfmahalfn	Jun 7th, 2005 10:40:35 PM
Was the afore-mentioned Mack 'review' the first we've heard that he'd seen it? It wasn't like he was screaming it out now, was it? For someone who has clearly invested a lot of time and effort into this film I would have expected something more. Over on the other batman thread he didn't seem to even mention he'd seen it. Mack - I've always given you the time of day because you stay on point in a debate and are generally very entertaining in how you do so. But now you've seen it - where's the review? Stop clowning and put up. There are people interested, not all maliciously want you to admit you were wrong either. I'd just like another opinion on the film away from Harry's tumescent pleasure.
Batman is for suckers by numberface	Jun 7th, 2005 10:43:15 PM
Who can take a man who thinks he's a Bat seriously? I mean really? Am I wrong? Now the Flash, there's a CHARACTER!!!
MovieHACK is Joel Schumacher's personal assistant by lynxpro	Jun 7th, 2005 10:43:37 PM
Not really, but I'm sure he wishes he was....fluffer, probably.
re: Eccleston for The Joker!!! Make it so by RetroActive	Jun 7th, 2005 10:46:20 PM
I don't know, lynxpro. I like him, but he's a little too subdued for my taste. I'd also prefer to see unknowns in roles like Talia's. But who knows? It's up to the bastard studio execs, I guess.
RetroActive by lynxpro	Jun 7th, 2005 11:02:27 PM
Have you not seen Eccleston in Doctor Who this season? He goes from silly to manic and scary in a flash, and convincingly. Check him out in the "Dalek" episode especially. He'd rock in the role. Better than Glover or Brody, for sure. :)
Dalek Episode by RetroActive	Jun 7th, 2005 11:08:33 PM
I haven't seen it. I'll check it out, without a doubt. Thanks. I'll tell you, I'm not huge on Brody for the role. The Village cemented that for me. In a role that requires a reach...Brody might try to hard. Maybe eccleston is the right mold...I'll check out Dr Who.
KING KONG TRAILER JUNE 29 WITH WAR OF THE WORLDS by snakecharmer	Jun 7th, 2005 11:10:18 PM
AFTER BATMAN AND WAR OF THE WORLDS WHAT IS REALLY LEFT? EARLY END TO SUMMER. Hollywood wonders why they continue to lose money. At least, it will end with something good.
King Kong by RetroActive	Jun 7th, 2005 11:20:27 PM
Well, guess I'll see WOTW after all!
So nobody really liked 'Batman Returns?' by Ribbons	Jun 7th, 2005 11:52:49 PM
Probably should have just been called 'Catwoman,' but I thought it was decent. The subplot of framing Batman was weak sauce, but then again, no Batman movie has ever been all that good.
batman retuns by blackthought	Jun 8th, 2005 12:40:54 AM
was alright.....but this batman begins could be special.
Whent to a screening today in NYC by The Taste	Jun 8th, 2005 12:52:35 AM
I went to a screening today at the Warner Bros screeing room in NYC. Simply put.....INCREDIBLE! Fans of this series will not be let down. The story is very good and draws you in from the first scene, and does not let go even when the picture has ended. Do yourselves all a favor and wait until next week, and stay away from spoilers. (I know that is hard for most of us). Multiple viewings are a must! Another great thing about the movie is that the CGI is so seamless and really blends into the movie without taking much away from the story at all. And that's all I am going to say.....Taste out
apparently... by ClarkK82	Jun 8th, 2005 01:06:11 AM
my dial up connection left me too latr too join the conversation. I've been "fair and honest" for a long time (not referring to political view which 6/7 talkbackers do) but it would be nice to have a discussion. I just wish spain's internet wasn't so slow.
"Cool enough to make Michael Bay's dick hard." by Mr. Anderson	Jun 8th, 2005 02:04:01 AM
Think that quote will end up on the DVD cover?
Hey Harry, post Moviemacks review! by Anla'shok	Jun 8th, 2005 02:12:36 AM
I think it's the least you can do for a guy who has inadvertently increased the traffic on these Bat threads for the past year. So whatta you say, you got the stones or what?
There really is no need to hire Brett Ratner ... by Silver_Joo	Jun 8th, 2005 02:53:53 AM

I agree with Anla'shok by Tsubame Gunkan	Jun 8th, 2005 03:05:52 AM
I for one would like to read Moviemack's review as well. I know Moviemack said he would post it later, but I would like to see Harry post it instead. Plus, the talkback should prove to be quite interesting.
Sam Hamm by iamindy	Jun 8th, 2005 03:49:38 AM
Anyone know where I can get a copy of Sam Hamm
Ben Affleck was "cool enough to make Michael Bay's dick hard by Kenshiro_Kane	Jun 8th, 2005 06:16:13 AM
... word.
And isn't it cool that Ra's Al Ghul is actually... by Kenshiro_Kane	Jun 8th, 2005 06:17:48 AM
... oh, nevermind.
best laugh I've had in a while... by ATARI	Jun 8th, 2005 08:46:13 AM
"it
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that
I agree (with others) that Harry should give Moviemack a spot fo by JDanielP	Jun 8th, 2005 09:08:46 AM
After all, Moviemack will enjoy the prime real estate on AICN to flame us all. -- And another thing... I read other reviews besides the reviews here, before I posted my high hopes for a Batman movie I have yet to see. That's exactly the thing that gets me about Moviemack. He'll flame us for something that is completely false, perhaps his way of getting under the skin of fellow talkbackers. With his conduct here at AICN, I figure was raised as poor "white trash" (forgive the term) or just a spoiled rich kid. Either way, I feel somewhat sorry for the guy.
seems to me....... by blackthought	Jun 8th, 2005 10:47:45 AM
that moviemack is about as loved as brett ratner around here.
"but Nolan & Goyer by Right Bastard	Jun 8th, 2005 10:55:12 AM
It's about damn time. The problem with the other Batman films is that they are all about the villans. That is why the animated series was always more enjoyable and sophisticated than the live action.
Looks Great with ONE MAJOR exception... by ipfgodfather	Jun 8th, 2005 11:07:19 AM
As a DEVOTED Marvel fan, I must say that regardless of how great this movie is it'll never measure up to the greatness of character of the XMens or Spidey!! That being said, I am not a DC hater and have in fact enjoyed Batman ( Batman and Robin not withstanding ) movies and TRULY look forward to this based on its concept and all the stellar reviews but... this Batmobile is a JOKE!! I appreciate artistic license and all but what was Nolan smoking with this hunk of junk??? Has he read a single comic in the last 70 years of the franchise where the Dark Night drove a dunebuggy? Hell, even Adam West had a cool CAR. Harry can rave all he wants, but CN screwed up the car- bigtime!!
Chris Nolan by tonymanero	Jun 8th, 2005 11:33:10 AM
I have to say that as soon as I heard he was directing this, I just knew it would be good. Nolan is probably going to be a more accomplished filmmaker than Tim Burton. Everybody acknowledges that Memento was a masterpiece, but I think Insomnia has been overlooked. That film showed me that he could really make his mark with even a mainstream, star-driven thriller. Pacino, Williams, and Swank, he handles them all so well. I know he only has about a three and a half film career, but I think this guy is the real deal. I just hope he does stuff other than Batman over the next several years.
Superman by tonymanero	Jun 8th, 2005 11:37:30 AM
Am I the only one who really isn't that excited about Superman? Seems to me that Byran Singer is pretty much doing a "reinvention" of the first Superman movie? What's the real point of that? Look, I'm sure watching Spacey will be fun and that the flying effects will be very convincing, but I have a feeling that we'll all have a Episode One/Terminator 3 feeling, after we have all seen it - "Well, that was fun, now what?" I think Singer will miss out on directing further X-adventures as much as those films will be missing his skill.
Wondering who this "moviemack" was. by Thayden Ozma	Jun 8th, 2005 11:44:14 AM
And then he shows his head and throws Batman in with American Idol and Bush which made me realize just exactly who he is, he's an asshole. Welcome home. -Az
tonymanero by aikimoe	Jun 8th, 2005 01:14:38 PM
You're definitely NOT the only one. Just seeing the picture of the boy in the bikini briefs was very disappointing. That and the casting of other implausibly young people in what should be mature roles. And I say this as someone who only admires what Singer did with the X-Men.
Do not diss Ben Affleck, he`s one of us! Plus, him being a bad a by Man of Stool	Jun 8th, 2005 01:36:05 PM
Suckers!
about Superman and female leads: ("Episode One/Terminator 3 feel by CurryIce	Jun 8th, 2005 01:48:05 PM
but i think it's too early and i still have great hope that Singer can pull out sth. great. I mean HE HAS TO! The other thing i noticed is this. It seems as they doesn't really care who plays the main female character in a comic book film 'cause i believe that they're all miscast. Spider-Man: Kirsten Dunst was ok. BB: Looks like she is also ok. SupermanReturns: Kate Bosworth??? now you see they're just doing solid work(i don't count Bosworth of course) and nothing really special. I mean many fans really don't care but i think you can hurt the whole film when you just don't have the right actress who really fits for the role. Dunst is not MaryJane for me...and we have to wait for Bosworth.
Why all the hate for moviemack? by Garbageman33	Jun 8th, 2005 03:35:18 PM
At worst, he's a bit of a contrarian. But, from what I've seen, he never resorts to name calling and he has a strong point-of-view that he actually articulates quite well. Just because he doesn't go along with the mob mentality around here doesn't make him an idiot. I suffered the same wrath for daring to question the genius of OldBoy. And the majority of the people spewing hate at me hadn't even seen the movie at the time. Are you all going to go back and apologize if Batman Begins DOESN'T turn out to be the greatest creation since the lower back tattoo?
Congratulations, Hainesrs by Garbageman33	Jun 8th, 2005 03:53:17 PM
By resorting to name-calling and offering no justification for your opinion, you just proved my point. Oh, and next time, "He is, too" would have been shorter and punchier.
re: Star Wars Backlash Misdirected by darthflagg	Jun 8th, 2005 04:16:56 PM
Bullshit. Nearly all the reviews for ROTS before it came out were postive. The current negative opinion of the film came about purely as a reaction to all the postive buzz it was getting. The backlash is almost entirely from people who hate Lucas and the prequels so much they can't bear the thought that the majority of people might actually enjoy a new Star Wars film, so they take satisfaction from tearing it down every chance they get. ROTS is far from perfect, but it contains more classic scenes than any blockbuster in a long time and is the best Star Wars film since Empire (as every poll I've seen, even on AICN, agrees). As for Batman Begins, it sounds like a good film. I have no problem if people enjoy it more than Episode III. However, Batman Returns will always be my favourite Batman film. I don't care how "unfaithful" to the comics it was. It was a genuine work of art.
The hate for moviemack... by IamNumber1	Jun 8th, 2005 04:24:59 PM
is about a guy who was telling us the movie was going to suck based soley on what he read in the leaked script. Granted, most of his complaints had merit (except for Lucius Fox being a Q rippoff...that made no sense), but hearing that the Batman movie is going to suck from a guy who hasn't even seen the movie yet tends to be a little annoying. If the movie does suck, then I'll be right here to say that moviemack was right (or at least have a pros and cons list or something). BTW garbage man, OLD BOY was the biggest dissapointment for me. Apparently I'm not the only one who thought so.
See, now that's what I'm talking about by Garbageman33	Jun 8th, 2005 04:38:19 PM
Did you see how that was done, Hainesrs? The above poster ARTICULATED why people are upset with moviemack. And I can't necessarily say I blame them. Honestly, I didn't know the history. I just wanted to know why Moviemack was in danger of making SirBiatchReturns and RabbiSodomy seem like Mr. & Mrs. Popularity by comparison.
YO! by Vanilla Ice	Jun 8th, 2005 07:37:21 PM
GO NINJA GO NINJA GO!
Garbageman33 by CurryIce	Jun 8th, 2005 07:50:26 PM
Just read every posts by moviemack in every TB related to BB and you'll understand why he's annoying. It's not about having different opinion or different expectations. The thing is he articulates like someone who wants to impose his expectation and opinion on us saying that it will suck whatever we actually think etc. He has done that even before he's seen the film! I don't care if he hasn't the same opinion (or had the same expactation) but to consider us as stupid sheeps who follows the hype is just annoying. He has read some stuff and already seen the film...SO WHAT?! He acts like he and only he has the RIGHT opinion on BB and we're all wrong. It looks likes a kind of an arrogance for me...
Mack (deadbeat) daddy. by halfmahalfn	Jun 8th, 2005 08:06:19 PM
And once again the call goes up. Where is Moviemack? All the freaking time he spent in the past complaining about this film based on trailers and script leaks. And then he sees it. Start to finish. The whole thing. And where is he? Forget this bullshit about making us wait for his review. A little cut and paste and his money's where his mouth is. Right now he's just a clown. And a punk. You heard me Mack. Now prove me wrong...
Moviemack's Review by Tsubame Gunkan	Jun 8th, 2005 08:38:10 PM
I think Harry should post it so that we have a fresh talkback. I am interested to see if Moviemack has changed his tune if any at all.
Forget Harry posting it. by halfmahalfn	Jun 8th, 2005 08:56:37 PM
Harry doesn't need to post the review and Mack saying that he needs to is disingenuous. When someone called him on cut and pasting it Mack said he'd let us wait for a bit. Good thinking, clown. After all, on a site that is generally about up-to-date movie views and news, any tardiness is just fucking lame. I really hope he proves me wrong. I'll be willing to accept it, too. This lateness of posting his review makes me believe one of the following: A) He hasn't written it. B) He is no longer is as opposed to the injustices he perceived in previous trailers/script leaks and refuses to look like an idiot for saying so. C) He's waiting for a 'symbolic moment' with which to let the world see his review. This moment occurs sometime in 2007. D) All of the above.
"He is no longer is as" by halfmahalfn	Jun 8th, 2005 08:58:52 PM
I is no longer is as well-equipped to type.
Great, Harry liked it. Now it might suck by WolfmanNards	Jun 8th, 2005 09:44:00 PM
Reading the reviews on this site, I've come to the conclusion that nearly every movie Harry "LOVES" I will HATE. I never learn though. The last movie he raved about that I gave a shot happened to be the AMityville Remake. IT BLEW! It Blew a dog to be precise. Before that was Assault on Precint 13... it had a few OKAY moments, but wasnt nearly as fantastic as Harry depicted. Many other films he's raved about before have had the same result within me as a moviegoer. Such is why I'm depressed that he enjoyed Batman. Now there's an excellent chance that it will suck. Besides the fact that Harry loves it, theres also the matter of the Batman voice. Something simple, yet, from the little I've heard the voice, I can tell you it sounds like a phlegmy mafia boss. The Batman voice alone could ruin this movie. But let's wait and see. Perhaps Harry and I will both enjoy a film for the first time. I DOUBT IT. But hey, you know, just plain old... hey.
Batman's voice by Tsubame Gunkan	Jun 8th, 2005 10:02:48 PM
For those that have seen Batman Begins, what did you think of his voice? Did it work for you?
"The Batman voice alone could ruin this movie" by aikimoe	Jun 8th, 2005 10:50:56 PM

I meant to say... by aikimoe	Jun 8th, 2005 10:51:40 PM
...damn. That's one fucking important voice. I had no idea.
The evolving sensibilities of Moviemack. by SmarkJobber	Jun 8th, 2005 11:09:00 PM
No shit. Long a staple of any TB that concerned "Batman Begins" (and some that were loosely related -- I fondly recall mixing it up with him in a TB about Nolan's future projects), The Mack Attack usually posted his bullet point quibbles with the script, layering it with the shoddy humor we've all come to shrug at, and then stick around for other TBers to take the bait so he could lash out at them for having the gall to disagree. However, after actually seeing the bane of his (admittedly meaningless) existence the mighty mouth has all of a sudden been silenced, and with little fanfare. All of the hatred he wasted in the last few months just ends with a "it wasn't as bad as I thought"? Ergo, I declare him a total cop out -- and really, who's surprised?
PLANT! by halfmahalfn	Jun 8th, 2005 11:20:48 PM
Work has been extremly boring today. I've had way too much time on my hands. And here's what I've got. Moviemack was a plant. What better way for a studio to control any potential negative hype for a film? You get some articulate mack off the street to start bitching on about the costume etc. And he's everywhere. I mean, every time you check a Batman related article there he is - forcing all those posting to solidfy behind a "fuck you I'm gonna see it anyway" position merely because of his arrogant dismissal of the fil based through script leaks. Then, upon film's release, he tucks tail between legs and we never hear from him again. "We" win. The resultant goodwill towards Batman begins has us all very much proud of "our" film. We make sure everyone knows it. And yes, I've had too much coffee today.
The Hudsucker Prodigy by potvsktl	Jun 8th, 2005 11:26:29 PM
Comedy Gold.
PLANT! by halfmahalfn	Jun 8th, 2005 11:33:40 PM
Work has been extremly boring today. I've had way too much time on my hand

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