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V FOR VENDETTA Script Review... And It Ain't Pretty!!

With the Wachowski bros. writing, what do you expect? by zikade zarathos	May 31st, 2005 05:35:45 AM
When I heard they were involved with the project, I just assumed they'd be directing and someone else writing. Now I know it was just wishful thinking. Having them write and giving the directing mantle to a first-timer is a horrible misuse of talent. Natalie Portman shaved her head for this?
FIRST!! And Sign the Crispin Glover as the Joker Petition by RIVERO	May 31st, 2005 05:38:25 AM
http://www.petitiononline.com/ qp2d1234/petition.html
Not feeling good about this one by TheWatchman	May 31st, 2005 06:03:07 AM

Hollywood is evil by chien_sale	May 31st, 2005 06:14:14 AM

Wow, a coherent review! by Monkey Butler	May 31st, 2005 06:15:00 AM
Thanks for that. Seriously, home viewers shouldn't try to emulate Harry when they send in their reviews. Harry's reviews work because we know enough about him to know how much weight to put behind his review of a given movie. Anyway, how good could a Silver/Wachoski film be? Half the films that the Wachoski's have made have been utter dogshit, and 3/4 have been derivitive and unoriginal. I'm not suprised that they wrote such a stupid, stupid introduction. If however's playing V actually pulls off those lines, they'll have my money, because I honestly believe that there is not a single person alive who could say that shit straight-faced.
Well, what a fucking surprise this ain't!!! by alucardvsdracula	May 31st, 2005 06:33:04 AM
EVERYTIME the Hollywood money machine gets a hold of something half decent they ruin it, why should this project be any different.
Why this makes me so sad by Almost Sexy	May 31st, 2005 06:35:31 AM
I have been dreading (but largely expecting) news like this for some time. Maybe it's cause I don't really read a lot of comics, or I'm just hopelessly contrarian, but I've always found V to be Moore's most moving and engrossing work. That monologue reads like something from the 60's Batman tv show. I wish therre had been a group of fans with the same investment Watchmen fans have who could have ridden herd on the project. I probably wouldn't have the heart to see it in any case. A crummy Watchmen movie I oculd handle, but a matricized V?? Bummer
LOG by Trevor Goodchild	May 31st, 2005 06:56:42 AM
Somebody explain to me why firing a missile at a city being destroyed by bombs would save it. How did Jekyll have a big hat to fit him when he was captured? Did he get changed while changing? Or did grab it on the way out and not bother to get anything else especially made to fit his alter ego? How did he know what to do when in a sinking submarine to save it? How did a naked Invisible man survive artic conditions while naked? Why was the Phantom actually in Venice as it blew up?
The Graphic Novel. by Trevor Goodchild	May 31st, 2005 07:02:33 AM
Can a TBer that has read The League Of Gentleman tell me what were the worst omissions and alterations made by Hollywood. Apart from Tom Sawyer. And why Tom Sawer? That's like having Oliver Twist in it and having him know Kung Fu. Why not Billy the Kid or Davey Crocket. I feel bad for Norrington. He is clearly a visionary director and would live to his Live Action Akira.
Bet they change the mask. by Trevor Goodchild	May 31st, 2005 07:07:05 AM
Is it still set in England?
Should we be surprised? by JCubedz	May 31st, 2005 07:34:35 AM
Since the Wachowskis are plagorizors should we really be surprosed that they dont have the talent we once thought they did? Oh thats right you have never once even bothered to mention how they lost a copyright infringment lawsuit because they stole the whole idea of the Matrix from a black female author.
Wow, I hadn't thought of the dialogue. by FluffyUnbound	May 31st, 2005 07:51:35 AM
I just wasn't thinking. Of course in an adaptation there's a good chance that entire new stretches of dialogue will have to be invented, for purposes of compression and exposition. And I guess when you're adapting V, you'll take your best shot at writing dialogue in the style and spirit of his existing dialogue. And I guess in this case the W Bros. just failed. Sometimes you fail, and that's all there is to it. That looks more like something Daffy Duck might say.
PLANT by darthferris	May 31st, 2005 07:55:55 AM
Aye, the studios grow more devious with every passing day. By force feeding us this supposedly negative review, they hope to create a ground swell of support for this project. I, for one, will not be fooled.
Re: From Hell by HypeEndsHere	May 31st, 2005 08:18:51 AM
"the film simply refused to force the audience's nose into the stink and filth of the world, to say nothing of the carnage." Well, either that or the conspiracy that Moore came up with was completely fucking preposterous. i certainly know why I thought it sucked. (Also, Depp and Graham weren't helping)
First? by PVIII	May 31st, 2005 08:24:34 AM

seriously though, by PVIII	May 31st, 2005 08:26:31 AM
The Wachowski's can't really write worth shit...
Never had high hopes for Vendetta by moviemaniac-7	May 31st, 2005 08:34:00 AM
It's the Wachowski's, those same guys (or guy and girl) who wrote the decent Bound and the criminally overrated Matrix. Ve for Vendetta is a solid graphic novel that deserves real talents behind the camera and not some self declared pseudo psychological whining bitches like the Wachowskis. I will probably pick this one up on DVD rental a long, long time from now.
i hate reading script reviews by ZO	May 31st, 2005 08:52:02 AM
from guys apparently trying out for reader jobs. ponderous reading and the sly humor? not sly enough
it's fake by Jar Jar 4 Prez	May 31st, 2005 08:58:14 AM
It's totally fake. The Wachowski bros know what "verisimillitude" means.
LXG Alterations -Trevor Goodchild by theoneofblood	May 31st, 2005 09:26:59 AM
What did they change? Pretty much EVERY-FUCKING-THING! Here's just a quick list that I can knock off the top of my head: 1) COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY, that's right. The LXG movie had almost nothing to do with the original graphic novel in terms of the narrative. 2) There were no cars speeding through the streets of Venice. 3) Allan Quartermain was not a hardcore mofo who somehow knew about automatic weapons fifteen years before they were supposed to be invented, he was an old man dragged into a final assignment. He was courageous and noble, but he was nothing like Sean Connery's portrayl as some kind of superhero. 4) Tom Sawyer did not exist, but more importantly, neither did Dorian Gray. 5) Captain Nemo actually made sense as a character and not some random "pirate". Also, his submarine did not magically fit in the canals of Venice or some such utter bullshit. 6) Mina Harker was not some vampire who had a "mysterious past" with Dorain Grey. 7) HYDE WAS A PSYCHOPATH. He was a monsterous killing machine in the graphic novels, frequently indulging in the disembowelment and amputation of his enemies. He often ATE parts of his victims as well. 8) The Invisible Man was evil. 9) The references to classic literature characters were clever and inventive. ALL OF THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
Sounds dumb by ThingsThatTimDog	May 31st, 2005 09:37:03 AM
Very dumb
Never read this . . . by Nice Marmot	May 31st, 2005 09:40:07 AM
. . . but its been high on my list for a while. On another note, how bout Adam Sandler's lates 'tard fest coming in at #3 for its opening weekend?
News Flash: Hollywood rewites authors script. by cookylamoo	May 31st, 2005 09:41:20 AM
This is right up there with "Dog Bites Man."
I'm pretty sure this review is of the first draft of V... by switters	May 31st, 2005 09:46:17 AM
... the script this guy reviewed may be the one from 2000 or 2001. Check out the link below to see what I'm talking about. http://www.shadowgalaxy.net/Ve ndetta/Wachowski.html
on adam sandler movies by PVIII	May 31st, 2005 10:11:53 AM
yeah, 3rd place with 60 million dollars with a budget of 88. Adam Sandler is the best bet in hollywood right now. Even 50 first dates came out with 45 million.
"Can a TBer that has read The League Of Gentleman tell me what w by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 10:16:35 AM
Well, for starters, in the book, Mina is a tough, intelligent woman who's the de facto leader of the group. The character is borrowed from a little-known book by Bram Stoker ; Moore's Mina has unexplained scars, some the kind that can be hidden by a scarf, and some not. But mostly she's smart and tough and a great character- in the book. In the movie, she's Elvira, Queen of the Night. There's no one particular change that ruins the movie- the problem with the movie script is pervasive; Moore doesn't assume that he's writing for an audience of idiots, and the screenwriters did. But if I had to pick one change that bugged me more than any other, it'd be the way they completely eradicated the Mina character and replaced her with a Sexy Vampire Babe.
Clarification about that lawsuit. by Shan	May 31st, 2005 10:17:45 AM
The author in question has won the right to sue for plagarism, she actually hasn't won a case saying they plagarised her.
Clarification by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 10:18:07 AM
Not that I object to Sexy Vampire Babes per se. I'm all for 'em.
So if this quote is true ... by Shan	May 31st, 2005 10:28:50 AM
... then are you saying that the secret identity of "V" is The Architect? As for where all the masks are coming from, well in The Three Amigos, at the end of the film all the villagers have all the stuff they need to make enough 3 Amigo costumes for the entire village and also they somehow find guns for everyone to fight the bandits terrorising them which they musn't have had before because if they did, they would have been able to fight off the bandits in the first place since they outnumbered them. Oh wait, The Three Amigos was a stupid film ...
wow Alan Moore's not happy... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 10:48:27 AM
Big fucking surprise. He bitches and moans about every production based on one of his comics, yet he still takes the cheques. He's almost as big a hypocrite as Frank Miller. If you don't like how your material is treated quit optioning them...moron.
Shame, but no great surprise. by castle4	May 31st, 2005 10:50:42 AM
One day, an Alan Moore story will be presented properly. I hope.
Ugh, wish Moore would stop with the dissassociating with DC by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 31st, 2005 10:53:16 AM
I get that he's pissed, but its the fans that get the shit end. It already sucks that he's not doing any more Top Ten, now he's killing his League series too?
THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE!!!FUCK IT TO HELL UP ITS STUPID by DOGSOUP	May 31st, 2005 10:55:55 AM
I'll just go and reread the comic for the length of this movie to get a good story about these characters. Now I know Watchmen will suck too. Moore's work will NEVER be done justice. What's next,Transmetropolitan set in modern day America as a lighthearted romantic comedy?!?!?!FUCK THIS!
"yet he still takes the cheques" by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 11:25:42 AM
Actually, he doesn't. He's had the proceeds divided among the artists who worked on the optioned projects. If you're going to call the guy a moron you might find out what you're talking about first.
A link! A link! Gawd bless you sir. by RichJohnston	May 31st, 2005 11:35:14 AM
"Each and every citizen of England that riots is wearing a V mask." Because nothing says "anarchy" more than everyone wearing the same face.
A link, a link, gawd bless you. by RichJohnston	May 31st, 2005 11:38:05 AM
Because nothing says anarchy more than everyone wearing the same mask. Gheorghe, League isn't being killed. it's moving to Top Shelf/Knockabout. Click the link in the article. Payton, he's not taking the cheques. On Watchmen, V4V or Constantine. And he's stopped anything he owns being turned into a film.
You mean Natalie shaved her barnet for this by proper	May 31st, 2005 12:01:47 PM
more fool her,though I'm sure a hefty cheque helped ease the pain.Or she had nits.Alan Moore probably doesn't care what happens,his work was done on this project a long time ago.The Matrix sequels=did they ever unstretch the talkback???
hey stan the bat... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 12:18:02 PM
I've been working in the comic industry for fifteen years so I think I know what I'm talking about. I know how these deals work, I've done them. If you don't think that mister Moore has a giant pile of cash from Hollywood then you've been duped.
Hey, payton, thanks for setting me straight- by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 12:28:05 PM
-I've read countless reliable reports to the contrary, but I guess they must all have been wrong. Thank goodness plain folks like me are able to come here to the AICN talkbacks and get the straight dope from genuine experts like yourself- otherwise we'd all have to get our news from those know-nothings at Reuters. Bless you, sir. (I took issue with your original post because you called Moore a moron, but I guess you're an expert on that, too. Your expert credentials remind me of the George Burns line about how it's too bad all the people who REALLY know how to run this country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs.)
Or am I to busy.... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 12:35:08 PM
creating the stuff you read and watch. Fair enough...maybe I'm lying through my teeth about working in the indusrty and having intimate knowledge about some of the people you worship on this site. Or maybe I'm telling the truth and you don't want to know that Allen is a huge asshole and one of the hardest people in the industry to work with. He's hugley talented and sells books, if that wasnt' the case comic companies wouldn't touch him. Oh and he's made his fair share of cash from Hollywood. There you go, believe me or not, it's up to you.
payton 34 you are indeed a moron... by JohnNada	May 31st, 2005 12:39:41 PM
...who's obviously full of shit! As a result of DC owning his material Moore had no choice but to accept money for his comics being optioned. What he did instead was insist that his name be removed from all of them and had that money split amongst the artists that worked on them. He says he could use the money but the principle was more important, good on him for sticking to his guns. Know what the fuck you're talking about before you open that sewer of a mouth, because you're obviously an ignorant bitch who loves the sound of his own voice yet is very ill informed. It's painful to watch this project getting raped already, it is my favourite of his work and it could be such a good movie if someone who had balls did it right, but as usual they're dumbing it down for you thick as fuck Americans. If you don't agree that this is the case (that you are dumb) then how does it make you feel that they dumb everything down as they don't think you can handle it? Doesn't it make you feel angry? They're saying you're stupid! Do something about it! Stop turning up to these retarded movies!
sigh....... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 12:44:33 PM
one day you guys will get this. If you don't think that he has a stake in the properties he creates you're a fool.
sigh....... by JohnNada	May 31st, 2005 12:54:56 PM
One day you'll get that he HAD THAT MONEY GIVEN TO THE ARTISTS OF THOSE BOOKS!!! You really are a dumb fuck if you're going to keep ignoring what I say.
SHAN by JCubedz	May 31st, 2005 12:58:10 PM
ok first off you cant win the right to sue, it can either proceed or they throw it out " Monday, October 4th, 2004 ended a six-year dispute involving Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner Brothers. Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow residing. Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars." http://www.hotghettomess.com/n otsophia.htm maybe not the most widely know news source(yeah I know understatement) but with Time Warner owning most news sources it shouldnt be surprising. but just do a google search and plenty of other websites will also popup with this story.
Film The Filth by Trevor Goodchild	May 31st, 2005 01:09:34 PM
Imagine The Filth directed by Chris Cunningham or Shane Meadows or Michel Gondry. Giant sperm swarms. Vast Ocean Liners. American president with breasts. Sniper Chimp. And Max Thunderstone. Anyone out there that's read The Filth. Can you explain the Superhero subplot, with the Superman in the wheelchair and the group of superheros at the start. One of which gets his brain shot out.
This has come up before ... by Shan	May 31st, 2005 01:09:45 PM
... That article with that exact same quote has appeared in talkbacks before. However, the link they had to the article had an addendum which stated he hasn't won anything yet. Whether it's deemed there's any merit to her case or whether she gets any money has yet to be determined.
In fact, here we go, took me 15 seconds on google. by Shan	May 31st, 2005 01:13:24 PM
On October 28, a student newspaper at Salt Lake Community College printed an erroneous story on Sophia Stewart's RICO lawsuit against The Wachowskis, Jim Cameron, Gale Anne Hurd, Fox and Warner Bros and others. Poorly reported by one Martha Carter, the story says that "Monday, October 4th 2004 ended a six-year dispute" and that Ms. Stewart has " will recover damages" and that "she will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars." None of that is true. What is true is that on September 27, 2004, US District Court Judge Margaret M. Morrow made a preliminary ruling that the RICO element of the suit would not be thrown out on purely legal grounds, though some of the charges were dropped against Warner Bros. and 20th Century Fox. There was no finding of fact emerging from this hearing and not even the glimmer of a trial that would find guilt or innocence.
"to busy (sic) creating the stuff you read and watch" by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 01:16:08 PM
I guess you were 'to busy' to get through third-grade grammar class. I can't wait to read your literary contributions. Plenty of professional creatives, myself included, read these boards; your attempt to talk down to us as the mere consumers of your greatness is a bit ridiculous.
FIRST by creaper	May 31st, 2005 01:18:33 PM
very first post too...
temporary by all	May 31st, 2005 01:19:37 PM

hmm...... by blackthought	May 31st, 2005 01:25:10 PM
i sense anger in this talkback
Ok you are correct.... by JCubedz	May 31st, 2005 01:26:45 PM
would have been nice to have a link but was able to sift through google once I sorta knew what to look for. Their motion for dismissal was denied. That would have been a much more sensical term to use ;) but thanks for correcting me! but still....could there be any doubt? The second and thrid movie are so different from the first you know they had no idea that it would be a trillogy like they claim and that its far different in tone than the next two despite them trying to retain it.
you guys fucking crack me up. by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 01:34:20 PM
It amazes me how you believe everything you read on the internet based solely on how much you like what you're hearing. Some person you don't know wrote that Alan is a martyr. Wow he's great, it must be true. Someone else contradicts that, well he must be a lying douche bag. Fine you love your drug addicted asshole who has no problem leaving the artists that draw his books hanging for months between smatterings of script pages. You guys worship and adore him. Damn straight I make my living in the comic and film industry and I've worked my ass off to be here. It's a shame you'll never know how it feels.
first! i think by alb55	May 31st, 2005 01:42:31 PM
suckers...
ARMY OF V... wasn't that a Bjork song? by Daddylonghead	May 31st, 2005 01:50:18 PM
Can't wait to see the clusmily computer-animated crowds of Vs all "rioting" in perfect sync. WACHOWSKIS SUCK.
Payton- by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 01:51:27 PM
-listen to yourself, man. You're an unappreciated expert, and everybody else is a moron- is that about how it stacks up? You'd have more credibility if you weren't expressing yourself like a fourteen-year-old. Rather than play my-job-is-cooler-than-yours with you I think I'll take what's left of the high road. Sorry if I gave offense.
"could there be any doubt?" by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 31st, 2005 01:55:45 PM
If you've read anything about her and her claims there's quite a lot of doubt actually.
Payton34 by ripper t. jones	May 31st, 2005 01:58:41 PM
I do not doubt your connection with comics, but I'd like to hear a few instances of "the difficult" Mr. Moore, if you have some inside stories, I for one would love to hear them. And a question, if Mr. Moore does give his option checks to his artists, what is the other source of payment from films made from his graphic novels?
Stan, that was not my intention.... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 02:01:00 PM
but it is sort of how it ended up. The frustrating thing with this site is how quick people are to not only dismiss you but crap down your throat if you say something they don't like. As far as my job is cooler than your job..yeah that was pretty immature but I did bust my ass for years to get here. Making less than $5 a page at the start was pretty rough but definitely worth it in the end. As far as the talented mister Moore goes, I think I've said enough and I still stand behind what I said (although I could have been less agro about it). Oh and no offense taken.
Did I read that page completely wrong? As far as I could see, Mo by gigaloff	May 31st, 2005 02:01:31 PM
This would piss him of because of his policy of never getting involved in these kinds of film projects, And because of various earlier problems with DC. Seriously, am I reading the wrong page or something? I really need to know as I quoted the address above on my norwegian film blog (www.fredut.blogspot.com by the way)the other day. I should put it right. Also, if that piece of dialogue is the reviewer's main gripe... I think it might be possible to pull it off. Context is everything. Call me an optimist. The ending might work, I think. And I actually think the mask idea is interesting. No point in flaming me, I've already proved I have no taste several times over on this site.
Payton ... by DennisMM	May 31st, 2005 02:09:30 PM
If you're going to rag on the man, at least look at the previous talkback posts -- or the story, for goddess's sake -- and see the man's name is Alan. A-L-A-N. Not Allen. Thank you, a former reporter.
gigaloff by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 31st, 2005 02:15:45 PM
That's the brunt of it, but if you read the sidebar (yellow box on the side) you'll see he does have some problems with the script as well.
Waaaaaah! by NeoAngelus	May 31st, 2005 02:20:20 PM
Waaaaaah! It's not exactly like the graphic novel. Waaaaaah! Jesus. Does somebody's pussy hurt?
Yeah! by Termsak	May 31st, 2005 03:08:50 PM
Not bad...and first btw....
Don't tell me Natalie Portman shaved her head for nothing by 007-11	May 31st, 2005 03:10:55 PM
She makes it work, but damn I'd hate for this thing not to work. It's a great premise.
In the DC/Moore divorce, who gets custody of the kids? (Who get by FrankDrebin	May 31st, 2005 03:14:45 PM
Was it Elmore Leonard or John D. MacDonald who, when asked if he was upset how Hollywood had ruined his books, pointed to the books sitting on a shelf and said something like, "No, the books are right there, still the same."
FIRST BITCHES! by DarthHomercles	May 31st, 2005 03:20:15 PM
I was feeling left out. :p All talkbacks should be hidden so no one knows if they're first! Heh heh.
Speaking of Adaptations... by uberman	May 31st, 2005 03:30:29 PM

To whoever just posted "First" and is now reading this TalkBack, by Ribbons	May 31st, 2005 03:31:35 PM
Learn how to read, you crazies.
Gheorghe Zamfir by gigaloff	May 31st, 2005 03:31:53 PM
Thanks a lot. Although I must admit i hate pan pipes. I'm still mildly optimistic, but that cooled me down a bit. The Curse of Alan Moore Movie Adaptations (tm) seems to strike again. Still, I just saw Blueberry a.k.a Renegade, being a long time fan of the french comic it's based on, and that featured lorry-sized plotholes AND a relation to the comic in name only. And I liked it quite a bit.
V. vs V. V by AshesOfDonnie	May 31st, 2005 03:40:36 PM

Wow. Comparing W to Hitler and Mussolini. by Htown	May 31st, 2005 03:41:07 PM
Idiot.
The Mask of V by Munchausen	May 31st, 2005 03:44:21 PM
is only a frickin Guy Fawkes mask. That people wear on Bonfire Night - or at least used to in the Future Fascist England. So it's entirely likely that a large portion of England would still have them around, in attics and bins. Kinda like that 1978 Spiderman mask I still have...
Speaking of Adaptations... by uberman	May 31st, 2005 03:46:45 PM
I just saw 'RIDING the BULLET' and had to turn it off after 15 minutes. Just friggin horrible. All suspense, sense of shock and awe, of dread, are killed in the first ten. Every conceivable horror movie trick, image and gimmick is thrown up on the screen to see if they will stick. As a result, there is nothing to dread, nothing to stick around for, no sense of peril. And the guy talking on screen with his identical 'alter ego?" pure shit. King himself endorsed the move, but is disgusted with Kubrick THE SHINING, which is the classic KING film. Anymore, if KING endorses and adaptation, or has written the screenplay, RUN THE OTHER WAY! And I have read every book of his save for quitting on the el lamo DARK TOWER series which sux after a promising first three books. Which brings me to Alan More adaptations. All have been horrible. A giant Mr. Hyde??? The guy was only 4'5" in the novel. And the Nautilus submarine is the size of New York in the film? THE single worst idea in the history of CG animation. Plus the fact that it cruises through the 4ft deep canals in Venice...BRILLIANT! FROM HELL was just B.L.A.N.D. and sterile-nothing that moved me on any level. I think I even watched it in two sittings as it was to tedious for one...no, on second thought I never even made it through but ended up catching all the movie in tiny fragments on some movie channel over years. NOTE TO HOLLYWOOD: 1. Bigger is not BETTER when it comes to telling a story. 2. LESS is MORE. Save some suspense, build up some tension for god
Payton- 'it's all good', as The Kids are saying thes by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 03:47:09 PM
I think I've read Moore quoting the line FrankDrebin mentions about how the books are still there if you don't like the films. As for the quality of the films, there's a good H. L. Mencken quote for that: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
They could have at write him as SMITH, not THE FUCKING ARCHITECT by Uncle_Les	May 31st, 2005 03:55:47 PM
I mean, they got Hugo Weaving and everything. Peace Out.
quality of adaptations by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 03:59:31 PM
These movies are deliberately made to be terrible, though, aren't they? Subtlety and nuance don't draw big audiences- at least that must be what the producers believe. The part I don't understand is: WHY, then, start with something like the LXG books, or Hellboy, or Watchmen? These people must know at the outset that what they're going to do has nothing to do with respect for the source material. If you're just going to do the same old thing, why is it necessary to call it, say, 'Watchmen'? Surely the fan base for a comic book isn't so large that they need the name of the comic book on the concept in order to get the project funded? I can't come up with any theories about how this works that don't amount to 'everyone involved was snorting coke off a hooker's butt at the time', and yet that seems obstructively cynical somehow...
V for first! by JohnnyBlueJeans	May 31st, 2005 04:08:47 PM
suck it
Straczynski seemed to have liked it by ZepRosnepsid	May 31st, 2005 04:31:50 PM
At Enigmacon this weekend, jms was talking about this script. While not mentining whether it was good or bad (so I don't want to put words in his mouth) he talked about it like he liked it. Mostly he just mentioned how anti-Bush it was and how it went over the studios heads and how surprised they're going to be when they see what they got. Sounded interesting enough to me...
oh wow by 81666	May 31st, 2005 04:47:17 PM
his opening lines sund slike like another scene out of the architechts dialogue, oy!!
So, Goatzinger- by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 04:47:32 PM
-am I the Guy in "Alan Moore is God to this guy"? I think a few of his books are unusually good comics- a good lob over a low standard. That doesn't amount to thinking he's God, but if you were setting up a straw man, don't let me stop you. Or maybe you meant something else. My question remains: why use the name of the book and adapt it so broadly? Is the name of the book bringing in a big audience? I can't imagine so. It seems to me that if you're going to do as broad an adaptation as, say, LXG, you could call it whatever you want, not pay anybody royalties, and not piss off whatever admittedly small fan base the book has.
Payton tell us your real name by JUSTICE41	May 31st, 2005 04:50:40 PM
If you have the balls to call out Alan Moore then have the Balls to reveal your real name. I like how you made fun of those who read what they want to hear yet you want us to believe you're a comics pro. Tell us your real name and what you have worked on. I was in the Biz for a second at Defiant comics under Jim Shooter but got in just as they folded so I didn't get much exposure. I have proof how about you Payton? Any idiot can make claims but only a true man/woman can prove those claims. Stand up and be counted.
interesting thought there Stan........ by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 04:53:10 PM
I don't think they make them bad deliberately. Well not all of them. I think it's just that they don't know what the heck to do with them. It's definitely a case of everyone else is doing it so I should too. I really believe that comics and film are two completely different animals and need to be handled delicately. The problem is to many of the good books fall into the wrong hands. As to why they bother to do it at all; one word-laziness. Why go out and scour the racks for a good novel to adapt. They would have to read it then. They can just flip through a comic, see the images and have a pretty strong grasp of things in a matter of seconds. It's sad really. There have been good adaptations though. I enjoyed Ghost World and Road to Perdition. Of course in the eyes of Hollywood those films aren't considered comic book movies. What I really think it boils down to is cash. They aren't willing to risk millions of dollars on something that is considered risky. It's hard to create a franchise that way, and franchise potentail is the killer of a good comic book adapatation.
Sounds like the only way I see this by Itchy	May 31st, 2005 04:56:13 PM
is if Natalie Portman shaves another part of her anatomy for it ... and then gives me a prolonged, lewd peep show of it.
hey justice41.... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 04:59:14 PM
Go smoke some more crack. Funny how you bitched about me not revealing myself and then you didn't either. In the end, who gives a shit if you believe me or not.
Ahh but Payton no one knows me and I didn't make Claims like by JUSTICE41	May 31st, 2005 05:06:14 PM
My Name is Roy Cover. Look it up I have no fear of anything or anyone. I called you out and now your just a bitch with a leaky cunt.
You want to be believed Payton, Yess you dooo. by JUSTICE41	May 31st, 2005 05:09:13 PM
"In the end, who gives a shit if you believe me or not." Then why use your supposed position in the industry to give credence to your claims about Moore? You want others to believe you or you wouldn't say such nonsense. Run along and go back to whatever ditch your digging.
yeah...never heard of ya. by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 05:10:53 PM
You know what's funny Roy? I might have opened my big mouth a bit but you admitted to working under Jim Shooter at defiant!!! Now that's hialrious.
FIRST? by danowen	May 31st, 2005 05:16:09 PM
Well, great book, probably a passable movie given the Wachowski's talent (Matrix and Bound are great). But... I think this film needed a British writer-director, really, who has the balls to get hermit Moore to help hammer out a script that does justice to the source material. Looks like Watchmen will be doing this, which is good...
Yes it was and so was the checks he wrote to me for art by JUSTICE41	May 31st, 2005 05:19:35 PM
I drew while sitting on the toilet. It was also funny having him fly me up to New York for a few days as he interviewed me. Yup, a laugh riot. ut those few thousands I made sure was a laugh. Especially since I was paid and only one piece of art was ever printed. I laughed my ass off as I deposited said checks. Yet you still haven't let your balls descend enough for you to show and display any proof of your claims. I wonder why....
I know... by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 05:23:23 PM
...but it SEEMS like it has to be deliberate sometimes. I think one factor is that a comic book can be made by two or three people, so there's less dilution of talent and vision. If a studio is going to invest a hundred million dollars in a movie, they want to make sure that the result appeals to as many people and offends or confuses as few people as possible. So- control passes into the hands of a committee. Some of the people on the committee will not be creatively qualified. Some of them will be engaged in political struggles with others of them. Some will want to have a focus group. Some will actually be snorting coke off a hooker's butt. The thing is, while you wish they wouldn't screw everything up, it's hard to say that they're not entitled to decide exactly what movie will get made with their hundred million dollars. It would be nice if they had some courage, but the fact is, if you want to frighten the horses you kind of have to do it on your own time and with your own dime- which is one big advantage that the comics industry has over movies today: it's possible for genuinely smart or subtle or subversive stuff to get published in comics, because you don't need a hundred million dollars to produce the comic; you can find a niche audience and recoup costs. Of course, you can do movie-quality special effects on a PC in your house, now, if you've got a few grand to blow on software or you don't mind using the slightly-ricketier open source alternatives. And you can even publish what you make pretty widely, thanks to the Internet...
Laugh at these guys if you will because they were there. by JUSTICE41	May 31st, 2005 05:23:54 PM
"You know what's funny Roy? I might have opened my big mouth a bit but you admitted to working under Jim Shooter at defiant!!! Now that's hialrious." Why don't you tell that to JG Jones and Georges Jeanty who also started at Defiant. Why don't you laugh at Dave Lapham who also was at Defiant as well as Adam Pollina and Alan Weiss (look those names up) Your a proven joke with zero zip nada balls or proof or relevance.
Poor Alan Moore by Exterminans	May 31st, 2005 05:31:57 PM
I weep for thee
you're funny j41!!! by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 05:34:19 PM
The next time you see any of those talented people you mentioned, ask them how they feel about defiant. I'm sure their answers will knock your rose colored glasses right off your face.
something else to think about... by payton 34	May 31st, 2005 05:39:52 PM
Everybody has had a shitty job at some point in their lives and Defiant was that for a lot of people. The fact you brought up a company that fucked so many people over to somehow validate yourself is pathetic.
perspective by Stan the Bat	May 31st, 2005 05:40:07 PM
In a hundred years we will all be dead and the position occupied by your art or mine, whether it's in the Louvre or on a bonfire, will be no further use to either of us. For a preview of what that'll be like, consider the many people reading this talkback who ALREADY don't give a fuck who we are. If it's a nice day where you are, go for a walk in the sun. Or, if you must, sit and stare at an internet-capable computer. But don't waste time trying to impress people you don't know or care about. Observe as I take my own advice...
"bitch fit" by kiddae	May 31st, 2005 05:40:15 PM
Show some respect, shitneck.
First by funkyhouse	May 31st, 2005 05:40:47 PM
Firrrsstt!!! any way the Wachowskis should make bound 2 with all the actors that were in cruel intentions 3.Renny harlin to direct a script written by the guy that wrote the first project greenlight film.and maybe they should film 3 and 4 back to back to capitilise on the huge success of 2.oh and in the 4th film everyone gets killed by a really bad CGI hipopotamus.im going to pitch that to Dimension......
Further evidence the brothers Wachowski may be one-hit wonders. by odysseus	May 31st, 2005 05:46:20 PM
And by "hit" I don't mean box office success.
Nooooooooo by horvak	May 31st, 2005 05:51:11 PM
Why do they do this ? I'm sure with Batman going back to it's roots, it proves that you can stick to the source material.
To quote some of the "Mother of the Matrix" website... by jimmy_009	May 31st, 2005 05:58:13 PM
which supports Mrs. Stewart...this was too good not to post... "Respect and honor goes out to the vybration manifested as Sophia Stewart. As prophesized by Sophia, she and anyone who standz beside her will come under fire and close scrutiny regarding their interests in Sophia Stewart" "DID YOU KNOW
Vendetta by Mafu	May 31st, 2005 06:09:07 PM
Great suggestions for the film, funkyhouse. Any film featuring Renny Harlin and a really bad CGI hippopotamus on a teenage killing spree works for me. Anyway, like Moriarty, I'm looking forward to V for Vendetta, despite the negative script review from Kurt Hectic. I remain a fan of the Wachowski Brothers despite the mountain of shit that's been thrown at them. James McTeigue finally got his opportunity to direct a feature film, but he's been an assistant and second-unit director for "The Matrix" films, "Revenge of the Sith," and "Dark City," so I think he'll do a good job. Plus, I read that Hugo Weaving took over the role of V, so I hope that bodes well for the film. It could still suck, but I remain hopeful.
Considering Moores' reaction to this project by Trik	May 31st, 2005 06:32:17 PM
Think I'll bypass it completly. Not even sneek out and rent the DVD. Hope others do the same. Hit these hollywood dickheads where it counts to them. I don't know who these assholes think they are, that they can alter anything that fits their whim, but its time to send them the message. It's Not OK
some black writer and Harlen Ellison by Everett Robert	May 31st, 2005 06:50:00 PM
I thought Harlen Ellison successfully sued Caeron on the Terminator (or at least the first movie)for plagerizing...don't know about Matrix...but...///speaking of people who like to Bitch and moan, Harlen is another example, but he's soo funny about it that it works...hehe, Harlen and Alan should start and bitch group, I'd pay to see it...
Harlen Ellison by DennisMM	May 31st, 2005 07:11:16 PM
It's HarlAn, Evrit Robirt.
V is an Uncle Tom, Osama Bin Laden's a Slavedriver by RoomOnFire	May 31st, 2005 07:29:21 PM

That's a shame by Ribbons	May 31st, 2005 07:33:51 PM
Especially considering a lot of those criticisms made sense. As if this production didn't seem troubled enough: they're moving on a breakneck pace and they fired James Purefoy (or he "left," or whatever) midstream because supposedly he didn't realize that he had scheduling conflicts. Yeah right.
MARK FELT IS THE "DEEP THROAT" by sounding	May 31st, 2005 08:00:55 PM
no.2 two man in the FBI was bob woodward's source. cnn.com
Trik by Ribbons	May 31st, 2005 08:22:32 PM
"Alter things to their whim." I wouldn't want to dissect your post and all, because apparently that's not cool, but I'm pretty sure that writers don't just change things because they're feelin' kinda whimsical on any given day.
"Oui" For Vendetta by Johnno	May 31st, 2005 08:37:47 PM
Hey that opening intro sounded quite interesting... Never read the comic, but aint V suposed to be some kind of more serious version of the Joker? That the impression I got anyway. I actually like that opening, don't know how it'll affect the real story so it's understandable that fans of the original will be upset over things... heck when are we not? The Matrix franchise kicked ass in my opinion, so I'm eager to see what'll become of this.
V FOR VENDETTA by sactoda	May 31st, 2005 09:29:18 PM
I hope they can work it out. I really want to see Natalie Portman in this movie. Donna A.
sorry by Everett Robert	May 31st, 2005 10:32:00 PM
ok...so it's HARLAN Ellison...forgive me for getting an a and e mixed up...so did he or did he not sue Cameron (which i also misspelled much worse) or not on T1
Speaking of Kurt Hectic... by Mad_Radhu	May 31st, 2005 11:39:02 PM
Someone really needs to make a kick ass MDK movie. It'd be a lot of fun, especially if they include a lot of the funky humor from MDK2.
V's introduction by blighty	Jun 1st, 2005 02:02:45 AM
Ya know after reading V's opening lines, I'm reminded of what Harrison Ford once said to Lucas: "You can write this stuff, George, but you can't say it".
re: Ribbons by Trik	Jun 1st, 2005 02:42:31 AM
Your name isn't Von Dame by any chance is it?
FIRST BITCHES, AGAIN!!!! by DarthHomercles	Jun 1st, 2005 03:11:25 AM
Too funny.
Fuck these hacks! by superscape	Jun 1st, 2005 03:13:17 AM
Why don't these people respect what makes a story great in the first place? That opening monologue and the 'V riots' made me want to puke. Jesus. I was excited by this at first, but now it looks like they've fucked up another fantastic story.
very shit by DrX	Jun 1st, 2005 04:13:04 AM
you cant expect criticism of capitalism or fascism and a love of anarchy from some wankers in hollywood can you...
Don't know what the fuss is about by Ted_Naifeh	Jun 1st, 2005 04:28:19 AM
Personally, it sounds like the reviewer is blowing things a bit out of proportion. On the one hand, I support and applaud Moore not allowing any more of his comics to be optioned into movies (I can't imagine what a craptastic epic Promethea would end up becoming at the hands of Hollywood). But it sounds like the reviewer's concerns mostly have to do with the subtle brushwork of the book becoming broad strokes in the movie script. The thing is, a movie, in comparison with a book, is always going to be unsubtle. A movie has (according to folks like Uberman) 15 minutes to win over its viewers. (no offence meant, Uberman. I have little patience for bad build-up myself). The bit of monologue from the V4V script was certainly hideous on the page, but remember what folks like Hugo Weaving and Lawrence Fishburne did with funky Wachowski dialog in The Matrix. They turned it into brilliant, epic soundbites! In general, movies adapted from books, especially books like V4V with complex philosophical points to make, are always going to seem crudely expressed compared to the source material. I, for one, will wait for the movie before passing judgment. Or at least, I'll wait for a little more material than the nitpicking criticisms of a total stranger. (Though like as not, I'll probably end up agreeing with him on every point).
By the way by Ted_Naifeh	Jun 1st, 2005 04:31:32 AM
I hope this Payton guy is an artist rather than, say, a writer or editor. If he's one of the latter, he might want to look up the word "tact". Or at least the word "research".
Wait a minute... by Ted_Naifeh	Jun 1st, 2005 04:32:36 AM
Is that you, Mika Wright, you old Scallywag?
Christ, I ran that speech through text-aloud and the fucking pro by Anla'shok	Jun 1st, 2005 04:49:04 AM
crystal made it halfway through the first sentence before she squawked with exasperation.
Op' Fiend by P0PB0T	Jun 1st, 2005 05:08:29 AM
People be smokin some crack. The League graphic novel was a great story that they just had to fuck with. The art was a main part i enjoyed it. Idiosyncratic work like this and Hellboy etc. just gets butchered when made live action. Plus They water down what actually makes it good in the first place so a bigger mainstream will suck it up! Polished turds are what the MASSES desire!!
Now Dubya is Hitler? by jackburton2003	Jun 1st, 2005 05:34:36 AM
Silly, silly simple-minded, brainwashed liberals. Open your eyes to the real world. It ain't that black and white. Democrats ain't all angels and Republicans demons. Howard Dean ain't your savior and Tom Delay doesn't have hooves. Silly, silly, simple-minded kids. When will you people ever grow up?
An interesting graphic novel but will suck as a movie by Drunken Rage	Jun 1st, 2005 07:07:46 AM
That says it all, I think. This is one of the "unfilmable" texts they're trying to make $$ off of, just like "The Watchmen." Which will also be terrible when compared with the book.
Hey Roy Cover by Daddylonghead	Jun 1st, 2005 10:06:50 AM
I liked your pin-up art. Drawing sexy chicks is the ultimate example of an artist using his powers for good, not evil. Anyway, do you have a website?
DAMNIT!! by Pseudo	Jun 1st, 2005 05:48:43 PM
I really want to see a well made version of the comic...scratch that, I want to see the comic made as a film. We know this is possible, why do people have to dumb things down? If ever there were a time when the populace needed a swift kick to the head and a wake up call, this is it. This is the type of material that just might make people think, "Hey, this seems familiar." I can only hope this was an early draft and not the shooting script. ??Pseudo?? out.
Did you se it over at Previews? by JUSTICE41	Jun 1st, 2005 07:33:51 PM
That would be the only piece I have that would come up in a search. My site is a mess and it's mostly to show crap I did afor commissions. Check er out if you want to and yes I like drawing nudes and sexy broads. It beats my regular job of drawing buildings and houses. Is That Pathetic Payton guy around still or off licking his wounds? http://www.architectural-illus trations.com/studioaries.com/f rontpage.html
Von Dame? by Ribbons	Jun 1st, 2005 08:42:04 PM
Zuh?
Bloody Hell! by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Jun 2nd, 2005 07:24:34 AM
Just minutes after I landed today back in London from 2 weeks holiday in New York, I get a phone call from my Film Extra Agent to do a night shoot on something called V for Vendetta. 'Cos I'm jet lagged to the balls, I turn it down, I don't even know what this V thing is. Only for me to change my mind and call back for it. Only 'till I come here and read it, I think 'Holy Shit!' THIS is what it is! WILL I SEE NATALIE PORTMAN TONIGHT!!!??? Oh My God man! Wish me luck everyone. I start work on it at 9.30 tonight!
Hey, Cpt Kirks, how did the night shoot go? by JimboLo	Jun 3rd, 2005 04:42:10 AM
My mate told me it was in Parliament Square with two hundred people, all wearing the V masks. How was it? Am working on V the 8th of June. Am a guard and got fitted into the nasty uniform yesterday. Looks good though.
V army? by v1cious	Jun 6th, 2005 01:51:39 AM
man this shit is just ridiculous. someone needs to be bitched slapped.
beethoven? nice. by urbanninja	Mar 18th, 2006 04:34:18 AM
if you're going to make fun of the movie, which i thought was great, then get it right. the song he was conducting was "Overture 1812" by TCHAIKOVSKY.

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