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ABking says RAMBO will return!!!

Sure hope this doesn't delay Stallone's Poe movie by TheBaxter	May 28th, 2005 10:18:46 PM
cos that would be a tragedy.
White supremacists by IAmJack'sUserID	May 28th, 2005 10:19:22 PM

What?!?!? by Wheel99	May 28th, 2005 10:24:46 PM
Who wants Rambo 4 when Over the Top 2 sits in development hell!!!!
What do white supremacists have to do with India? by UncleSam	May 28th, 2005 10:25:42 PM
Did I read this correctly? Don't really care since it sounds like an old Cannon low-budget action movie. Probably won't go well with the neo-cons. The most obvious villain would be Osama and Al Queda.
Yup, this is how the guy who wrote "Rocky" wants his career to g by FluffyUnbound	May 28th, 2005 10:25:53 PM
It's sad, really. Sly, here's a hint: get yourself a pup tent and a sleeping bag, and go camp on the road outside Clint Eastwood's house for the next 6 months, and just watch Clint. Then come back and try again.
I'd almost rather see a real Captain America movie. by The Pusher	May 28th, 2005 10:26:41 PM

Rambo IV budgeted around 70 million! by ABking	May 28th, 2005 10:55:04 PM
The plot sounds like a real action movie and not some CGI crapfest we get too often these days!!!
Rambo vs. Rocky should be Stallones final Fight Club by Koola_Norway	May 28th, 2005 10:57:16 PM
So that we once and for all can put the pieces together and find out that they are really all the same person, and he needs to fight people to feel that he exists. Now put "the end" over images of skyscrapers falling. That'd be some ending! But sadly, it's done already.
Millennium Films by Crimson Dynamo	May 28th, 2005 11:01:36 PM
The other films on their plate sound more intriguing than Rambo. Get some scoops on the the DePalma movie fer chrissakes
Anyone else notice? by Shan	May 28th, 2005 11:06:05 PM
That all the examples of films given with a similar theme with the possible exception of The Interpreter did not do very well at the box office. Even it didn't exactly set the world on fire, either.
As for the character of Rambo ... by Shan	May 28th, 2005 11:09:19 PM
... the impression I got from the book (yes, it was originally a book) that the character of Rambo was a homicidal nutcase who the sheriff quite rightly thought he could be trouble, hence that's why he moved him on. You would too, wouldn't you?
To Shan... by ABking	May 28th, 2005 11:13:19 PM
That is why the RAMBO IV plot doesn't follow the theme used in those other films and is going with a situation story like FIRST BLOOD!!!
when ISN'T abking saying rambo will be back? by BEARison Ford	May 28th, 2005 11:26:33 PM

White supremacist villians are so 9/10... by GrandMuffTarkin	May 28th, 2005 11:30:13 PM
What, noone can come up with a decent homeland security storyline for ole Johnny R.?
Nu Image - Fu#king YAH! by HarryKnuckles	May 28th, 2005 11:31:48 PM
Nu Image rocks the ass of my world! Shark Attack 2 and 3 rule! Crocadile 1 and 2 are quiet masterpieces. And I'd ride the Death Train any day of the week! Nu Image is the Cannon-Globus of the new millennium. Rambo 4 is definitely kick ass!
Sigh. by abcdefghijklmnop	May 28th, 2005 11:32:16 PM
Sly's only doing this so that he can direct Poe himself. Unfortunately, he's not a director. So what could've been another shot at critical praise ala Copland, is poised to be another wasted opportunity for his career. I would actually like to see another First Blood-style Rambo film, but this has 'direct to video'-quality written all over it. According to Sly, the film opens with Rambo working as an undercover narc agent for the military. WTF?! How is that anything like the character from First Blood?
We went through this with TERMINATOR 3 --talkbackers!!! by ABking	May 28th, 2005 11:45:34 PM
All you talkbackers suck...just wait...all 'this' was said about TERMINATOR 3 and the movie was a worthy follow-up and a 150 million dollar BLOCKBUSTER!!!
You have to expected some negative reaction. by Shan	May 28th, 2005 11:58:51 PM
You can't announce news like this and not expect some bricks thrown at it. I had the misfortune to catch some of Collateral Damage on TV, a few merit points for throwing a bit of a twist into proceedings towards the end but it really drove home the point that that type of action film is well and truly dead - at least for now. We'll have to see what they do with this idea but given how these things usually turn out, history is against it.
by abcdefghijklmnop	May 29th, 2005 12:13:43 AM
I grew up with the first three films, but I don't want to see someone making Rambo sequels just for the hell of it. The whole thing sounds way too close to Death Wish 5 territory. I've got nothing against another Rambo sequel, but at least back it with some quality. This whole press release screams "hack job".
Terminator 3 was a piece of utterly vapid shit... by JackBurton	May 29th, 2005 12:21:09 AM
It had a great ending, which ultimately took away a little of the bad taste and repettive nature, but both as a film, and as a sequel to two truly fantastic earlier works, it was severely lacking, and that's putting it kindly. I admire your passion ABking, but grow some objectivity in your tastes, won't you? I dig Stallone and Schwarzenegger too, but not everything these guys do, or have done in the past, is gold.
ABKing, Terminator 3 SUCKS. by one9deuce	May 29th, 2005 12:38:22 AM
But not as bad as Rambo IV will. Not to mention that T3 cost $200 million dollars, and was hardly a hit even with global box office. And the plot for Rambo IV is bargain basement, direct to video crap. He has to rescue his daughter from being held hostage? Give me a break. Sylvester Stallone hasn't had a real hit in 20 years. 20! He peaked in 1985 with the Summer release of Rambo: First Blood part 2, and the Christmas release of Rocky IV. Both of his most iconic characters battling the Soviets, and released at the height of the Cold War. Of course he would like to get back to being A-list, but desecrating his best characters is not the way to do it.
Hodor by MimiRogers3rdNip	May 29th, 2005 12:45:39 AM
Hodor.
show of hands, is this going to make in into theaters or direct by Tall_Boy	May 29th, 2005 01:12:30 AM
anyone?
RAMBO RETURNS! ......and gets his ass Whooped! by IMAXIMUS	May 29th, 2005 01:16:17 AM
His last film went straight to video, and with this film I see executives putting it in the can as soon as it is completed. When a star has to resort to reality TV to get back in the limelight you know they are craving for some inkling of respect. Stallone needs to put to rest the anti-hero persona of Rambo. There is no more market for Rambo, because the movies coming out in the next two years will stomp any opening of a Rambo flick.
Nazis, T3 and Rambo, oh my by DarthBen	May 29th, 2005 01:16:37 AM
First, Terminator 3 sucked ass. Go and watch the first two movies again. Notice how the first real action scenes don't take place until 45 minutes into the movie. Why? Because Cameron wants to TELL A GOOD FUCKING STORY! He sets up the characters and slowly builds tension until they meet! I knew T3 was going to suck when the two machines met within the first 15 minutes... My main point: why is hollywood so afraid of Islamo-facist terrorists? Why is it easier to make a white racist a bad guy than a Muslim radical? Is hollywood so racist that it believes if you make one type of muslim a bad guy that automatically you are saying all muslims are bad guys? The American Muslim community isn't helping either. Ever notice how white americans don't get mad when they do movies like Sum of All Fears where the badguys are white? But this season of 24 Sutherland had to do lame public service announcements to remind us that not all Muslims are bad guys. We're not retarded! Treat us like fucking adults! And for the love of god, send Rambo back to Afghanistan to visit some of those bastards he helped in III only to have them assist the fuckers on 9/11!
I must be ill.... by Grando	May 29th, 2005 01:22:50 AM
... cause this is sounding like a good idea......
I don't get it by Vern	May 29th, 2005 01:24:01 AM
So he's a Navajo family man in "the american outback" (?) squaring off with white supremacists in a Deliverance/Straw Dogs type revenge situation (they kill his family?) but also he is tied in to the afghanis from part 3 and has a stepson and is fighting a religious war in washington dc and/or new york? This is not the most clearly written press release I've ever seen. Anyway, if it's good (First Blood) I'm for it, if it's bad, I'm against it. I'm leaning toward the second one but who knows. By the way, white supremacists are such corny villains. How are you gonna give any dimension to a fuckin whtie supremacist? Might as well go with punk rockers with switchblades or cloned nazis.
Rambo IV will be a masterpiece if... by Liberty Valance	May 29th, 2005 01:32:49 AM
...we actually get to see him eat something that would make a billygoat puke. Seriously though, any Rambo flick without Colonel Trautmann just ain't going to fuckin cut it. Papa Rambo saving his daughter from a bunch of redneck jagoffs? Sounds like a loose ripoff of Commando to me.
Oh Terminator 3 made money all right ... guess who got it? by Shan	May 29th, 2005 02:36:22 AM
the hollywood economist Concessions Are for Girlie Men Arnold Schwarzenegger's absurdly advantageous contract for Terminator 3. By Edward Jay Epstein Posted Monday, May 9, 2005, at 8:11 AM PT The nonstop anecdotes that stars give in celebrity interviews about the stunts they supposedly performed, their favorite hobbies, and how much they enjoyed working with other stars may serve to hype their latest project—a job they are contractually required to do—but they evade a central issue: The art of the deal has come to replace the art of movies. To understand how the new Hollywood really works, one need only read stars' contracts. Consider, for example, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's agreement for Terminator 3: The Rise of the Machines. It's a state-of-the-art exercise in deal-making. The contract, which was brilliantly put together by the Hollywood superlawyer Jacob Bloom between June 2000 and December 2001—requiring no fewer than 21 drafts—runs 33 pages (including appendices). For starters, Schwarzenegger got a $29.25 million "pay or play" fee, meaning he would be paid whether or not the movie was made. (At the time, that figure was a record for guaranteed compensation.) The first $3 million would be delivered on signing and the balance during the course of principal photography. For every week the shooting ran over its 19-week schedule, Schwarzenegger would receive an additional $1.6 million in "overage." Then there was the "perk package"—a lump sum of $1.5 million for private jets, a fully equipped gym trailer, three-bedroom deluxe suites on locations, round-the-clock limousines, and personal bodyguards. The producers Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna did not agree to pay Schwarzenegger this record sum because he possessed unique acting skills—after all, the part he was to play (along with a digital double and stuntmen) was that of a slow-speaking robot. They also did not pay Schwarzenegger on the basis of his box-office track record. Indeed, his previous two films—End of Days (1999) and The Sixth Day (2000)—had failed both at the world box office and at video rental stores. Nevertheless, in the 10 years that had elapsed since Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Schwarzenegger's image had become so inexorably linked in video games and TV reruns to the deadly robot that he had become the crucial element of the deal. Kassar and Vajna, backed by the German-owned movie financier Intermedia Films, had already bought the sequel rights to the Terminator franchise for $14.5 million from the bankrupt Carolco Pictures and the initial producer, Gale Anne Hurd, and had spent another $5.2 million developing a script. Finally, they had lined up more than $160 million in financing: Warner Bros. would pay $51.6 million for North American rights, the Tokyo distributor Toho-Towa would pay $20 million for Japanese rights, Sony Pictures Entertainment would pay $77.4 million for the rest of the world, and Intermedia would earn another $11 million by transferring the copyright to German tax shelters. But Warner Bros., Sony. and Toho-Towa had all made their deals conditional on Schwarzenegger signing on to play the robot. So: No Schwarzenegger, no money. Kassar and Vajna had no real choice but to accept Schwarzenegger's terms (and they themselves would earn $10 million if the deal went through). Schwarzenegger's demands did not stop with the guarantee of $29.25 million. He also insisted on—and got—20 percent of the gross receipts made by the venture from every market in the world—including movie theaters, videos, DVDs, television licensing, in-flight entertainment, game licensing, and so forth—once the movie had reached its cash break-even point. Such "contingent compensation" is not unusual in movie contracts, but, in most cases, Hollywood accounting famously uses smoke and mirrors to make sure to define "break-even" in such a way that a movie never reaches it. Take video and DVD sales, for example. Under the standard Hollywood contract, studios credit the film with a video "royalty" equal only to 20 percent of the sales. That means that if sales of a DVD total $20 million, only $4 million of that is counted toward reaching the break-even point. But Schwarzenegger's contract, thanks to the ingenious lawyering of Jake Bloom, allowed for no such evasion. In the case of DVD and video royalties, the contract specifies: "For purposes of calculating Cash Break even only, Adjusted Gross Receipts shall include a 100% home video royalty (i.e. home video revenues less costs)." So unlike weaker players, Schwarzenegger could count all the money taken in from DVDs and video, $20 million, less their actual cost, toward reaching the threshold where he gets his cut. (Click here to see how his contract defines cash break-even.) Since these payments to Schwarzenegger pushed back the cash break-even point of other participants—and added to the costs of the movie—it effectively came at the expense of less powerful talent (like writers) in the contract game. Schwarzenegger also could decide who worked with him. The contract "pre-approval" clause gave him choice of not only the director (Jonathan Mostow) and the principal cast, but also his hairdresser (Peter Toothbal), his makeup man (Jeff Dawn), his driver (Howard Valesco), his stand-in (Dieter Rauter), his stunt double (Billy Lucas), the unit publicist (Sheryl Merin), his personal physician (Dr. Graham Waring), and his cook (Steve Hunter). Finally, Schwarzenegger had the contract structured to give him every possible tax advantage. All the money was to be paid not to Schwarzenegger but to Oak Productions Inc., a corporate front he controlled. Oak Productions, in return, "lends" Schwarzenegger's services to the production. Since Schwarzenegger didn't get any money personally from the movie itself, he had more flexibility managing his exposure to taxes. For example, Oak Productions entered into a complex tax-reimbursement scheme with the production to help avoid additional tax liabilities that might occur abroad. (Click here to read the tax rider.) In return, Schwarzenegger agreed to make himself available for 18 weeks of principal photography, one week (on a nonexclusive basis) for rehearsals—if any were required—and five days for reshooting. In addition, he had to make himself available for at least 10 days, seven of them abroad, for promotional activities in connection with the initial theatrical release of the movie. This media work included everything from television and radio appearances to appearances at premieres and Internet chat rooms. The negotiation of this contract did not come cheaply—the legal and accounting budget for the movie was $2 million—and, by the time all of Schwarzenegger's demands were met, the budget of the film had risen to $187.3 million, making it the most expensive independently produced movie in history. (Click here to see where that money went.) Even though Terminator 3 eventually had a world box-office gross of $427 million (at least half of which is kept by movie theaters), it barely broke even, except for Arnold Schwarzenegger, who, of course, had created his own "cash break-even," and, under any scenario, made a small fortune from his image. In the bygone days of the studio system, the studios had exclusive contracts with their stars that allowed them to reap the profits from the images their PR machines had created. In the new Hollywood, the stars themselves reap the profit their brand names bring to a film. So it is not surprising that even after Schwarzenegger became the governor of California in 2004, his holding company protected his image rights by suing a small toy maker selling a Schwarzenegger-like bobblehead doll on the grounds that "Schwarzenegger is an instantly recognizable global celebrity whose name and likeness are worth millions of dollars and are solely his property." Edward Jay Epstein is the author of The Big Picture: The New Logic of Money and Power in Hollywood. Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/211824 3/
For the three people breathlessly anticipating this movie... by bb6634	May 29th, 2005 02:37:21 AM
your time is now!!!
I'm Back: Commie Motherfuckers! by John_Rambo	May 29th, 2005 02:48:42 AM
Yeah, this hasn't been easy. Got all married after seeing some time in the Afghan mountains. In Nam you all kinds of hell. But those commies tripped the god damm line. They asked for it. I sided with the Taliban because I was sick of the killin, sick and tired of the soviet wings of destruction.They spit on me. Yo, I spit of them, all of them! I came back to little apple fucking pie America and all they could do was tell me I was a war mongerer, that my services were not needed. That the war was over, handed me a tiny pension check and told me to get screwed. They wanted me to disappear. I was made redundant. Got meself a farm, raised a family, a good wife, half indian, livin on her granddaddy's reservation. Recently been getting letters lately, crazy letters, baby hating nam style letters. Saying the shit is hitting the fans again, saying the gov't needs me. His son Emanual came around the farm just yesterday, says he suspects somebody knows how his father the Cournel died. I knew it. I fucking knew it man. They just laid him out to rest like it was another day, another fucking day in little apple pie sweet flag raising idealistic crap. No way man, I'm going in. I'm going to find the bastards to did it to him. And it all points to India....and the dirty fucking south. They don't know what they got themselves into. I didn't want this fight. Yo, I didn't ask for it, but this war, this war is coming. And I'm bringing it. I'm bringing it to THEM. Or my name is not John Rambo.
Well, that last post of mine is no more or no less useful than a by Shan	May 29th, 2005 02:50:01 AM
... so that's about par for the course. Actually, maybe those recommendations of Takashi Miike films I made was slightly useful but that's open to debate.
Well, that last post of mine is no more or no less useful than a by Shan	May 29th, 2005 02:50:02 AM
... so that's about par for the course. Actually, maybe those recommendations of Takashi Miike films I made was slightly useful but that's open to debate.
I stand corrected (by myself). by Shan	May 29th, 2005 02:54:16 AM
... and I only wrote the subject line and cut and paste the rest, so I can't even say I wrote it, really, can I? (I'll let myself out).
I'll take "Things to stop a talkback Stone Dead" for $100. by Shan	May 29th, 2005 03:06:47 AM
Thank you Alex.
And...who cares? by DerLanghaarige	May 29th, 2005 03:11:02 AM
I mean, c'mon it's Rambo! The films are so popular, only because they are so fucking bad (except for Part 1!) This isn't Terminator or some other franchise which gave the actiongenre some new, brillant ideas.
Sure...Just when I've bought the Rambo TRILOGY box. by RobinP	May 29th, 2005 03:28:17 AM
Typical !!
I liked Rambo IV the first time I saw it, when it was called Com by TheBaxter	May 29th, 2005 03:37:15 AM
And while they're at it, why doesn't Ahnuld come back and make a Commando sequel. Now that Alyssa Milano is all grown up, she can have a 5-minute long full-frontal nudity shower scene.
Someone actually bought the Rambo trilogy box ??? by Thirteen 13	May 29th, 2005 04:28:10 AM

This should become a new TalkBack catch phrase: by Eugene O	May 29th, 2005 04:33:28 AM
God Bless that Stallone! He's sure got a way with words!!!!
Man... by DocPazuzu	May 29th, 2005 04:43:07 AM
...some of you folks are walking (or at least sprawling) clich
Ahnold's Commando all over again........great by LocTite	May 29th, 2005 04:53:16 AM
"The Navajo-Indian former Green Beret and his family are then subject to an attack by white-supremacists, and Rambo has to risk life-and-limb in rescuing his 10-year old daughter from being held hostage."
"Great, another talkbacker who sees fit to pontificate about the by DocPazuzu	May 29th, 2005 05:11:22 AM
Is the irony of your own post escaping you? This is Talkback. Whining and pontificating - not to mention defecating - are our proud traditions.
Agent Alonzo by DocPazuzu	May 29th, 2005 05:13:47 AM
Actually no, because people who truly don't care about Rambo movies have nothing to prove and are consequently not caught up in the lurid rat race of Fanboy Domination.
T3/R4 by DefyThis	May 29th, 2005 05:18:09 AM
T3 was far better than any of you assclowns expected, so quit your griping. It was a watchable action flick, and while it was the least entertaining of the Terminator series, at least it didn't tarnish the legacy. i.e. I'd gladly buy a box set of all three movies, whereas I'm forced to buy only The Matrix and not the shit that came after. As for Rambo... Sly's just not what he once was. At least Ahnold could still pass for a machine - Sly's not looking well lately. Geriatric Rambo anyone?
"Having persuaded Stallone to co-star with a younger actor in by Spacesheik	May 29th, 2005 05:22:26 AM
WTF? Young sidekicks?! fuck that shit -- i dont know - the white supremacist thingie didnt work in the jack ryan film so or in potboilers like DEAD BANG so why should it work here>?
Can someone answer me: Why did Miramax sell the Rambo rights? by Spacesheik	May 29th, 2005 05:23:04 AM

But folks, by cynibun	May 29th, 2005 06:10:28 AM
Will Sly's 5th facelift hold? This is the important question.
He should fight Islam-Terrorists by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 06:54:29 AM
But then again, I guess the American arm of Hamas, C.A.R.E, would protest. Maybe Sly would end up dead like Theo V. G. And the attack more than Americans: JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Indonesia's President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has ordered police to find those responsible for Saturday's twin bomb blasts that killed 22 people in a mainly Christian town on the island of Sulawesi. The two bombs exploded about 15 minutes apart in a crowded market in the town of Tentena on Saturday morning. Tentena is a largely Christian area.
Hmm... by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 06:56:45 AM
As Rambo once wisely proclaimed, he is indeed EXPENDABLE!
Amnesty International Declares Bush and his henchmen war crimina by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 07:38:51 AM
http://www.informationclearing house.info/article8956.htm
Bwahahaha! by SalvatoreGravano	May 29th, 2005 07:46:53 AM
Oh, that's rich. I suppose Jean Clod van Damn or Dolph Woodgren will be coming out with more such "hits" next. By the way, who will dub Stallone? I've never seen the Rambo trash, nor do I ever intend to, but as far as I can recall from various trailers, etc., he does utter a few words between all the shots. In that case, someone _will_ have to dub, or you will end up with your audience scratching their heads when Stallone yells "Mhgmghmwlmwlglhmglwhm!" for the sixth time. Then again, the target audience for the "Rambo" flicks will scratch their heads even when faced with such challenges as "2+2=?".
Oh, and I assume it will be titled "Twenty-Sixth Blood" or somet by SalvatoreGravano	May 29th, 2005 07:51:11 AM
"First Blood, volume LVIII"? There must have been tons of game, comic book, and cartoon Rambo-fillers in addition to the "films".
RE:Amnesty International Declares Bush and his henchmen war crim by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 08:31:08 AM
Yeah, because we all know its far worse to drop the Koran in front of terrorist, than it is to shot an aid worker in back of the head, or cut the head off of a construction worker with a large knife. Yeah, O.K...................... SRINAGAR, Indian-controlled Kashmir -- The first bus service across disputed Kashmir in nearly 60 years came under fire minutes after it started its journey, according to local media.Just minutes after the Indian bus left the Srinagar station, flagged by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, it was fired on by a rifle grenade that fell short and caused no damage, police said. Also along the route, Indian security officials found and defused a roadside bomb. Anti-Indian separatist Kashmiri militants (that would be MUSLIMS TERRORISTS to the rest of us) have condemned the resumption of the bus service in the disputed region as a "betrayal of peace.
International Standards by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 08:45:08 AM
Ever considered ruling by example?
80s action fuckin rocks your bitch asses. by Psycho_Kenshin	May 29th, 2005 08:48:43 AM
Fuck you, you Salvatore son of a bitch! Haha kidding of course, I'm not much of a Rambo 2 & 3 fan, but I do respect and love cheesy action flicks. And First Blood is geniunly good, quality thriller material. Anyways, to resurrect a character like Rambo they have to do it "Metal Gear Solid" style, with a touch of Escape From New York of course. Have Rambo be a grizzled combat veteran brought back into action for a covert black ops mission. You know, some terrorist group have the nukes, and hostages, in some random county, and due to redtape the US can't be involved. So Rambo goes in, crawling through mud, slashing throats, bow and arrow shit. Thats what I'm talking about.
Let me just save everyone involved a whole bunch of cash: THIS M by Fuzzy Pumper	May 29th, 2005 08:56:23 AM
No one wants to see your wrinkly, can't-act-for-shit ass anymore, Stallone. Not on TV's Contender, and not reprising one of your crap 80s bullshit characters. A comeback by sounds about as much fun as jalapeno oil on cracked, bleeding hemorrhoids. Just stop trying extend your hour of fame, and go away already.
white supremacists or muslum terrorists by Pageiv	May 29th, 2005 09:01:04 AM
So we are fighting a Global War on Terror and SGT Rambo goes after white supremacists? http://www.geocities.com/pagei v71/Michigan_Partisan.html
I'm about to get political, feel free to ignore...in fact I& by JackBurton	May 29th, 2005 09:16:21 AM
You know, if you killed in excess of ten thousand of my countrymen (by very conservative estimates), men, women, and children, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, neighbours, friends, strangers and loved ones, all under the pretext of helping my people, when we never asked for your help to begin with, and when the whole exercise was very clearly just a big dick exercise to prove to the whole world after september eleven that the U.S. isn't a force to be fucked with, I'd probably want to kill every last motherfucking one of you I saw too. And of course that's exactly the kind of emotions that get fed on and exploited. Now I'm not making excuses or laying blame here, both sides, past and present, have done inexcusable things and committed unforgivable acts, and, as usual, it's the innocent caught in the middle that truly suffer, and none of the blame ever seems to hit the assholes, again, on both sides, who truly deserve it. Power hungry politicians of all countries and fanatical religious leaders of all faiths move us all around like we're all nothing but pieces on some fucking chess board, and it's all just some god damned game, while the soldiers, and the civillians, and anyone else caught in their playing field catch the bullets and bleed the blood, and live the horrors, and get buried in the fucking ground. To people behind desks, or on pedestals, or platforms, or on stages, it's all just a numbers game, and they're nothing but glorified accountants, and not one of them, on any side, gives a good god damn fuck about a single drop of blood spilt by anyone, just so long as the numbers balance out at the end of the day, and their own position is safe and secure. You die during the game and they'll put a medal on your coffin, or praise you as a martyr to the cause, but the end result is the same, yet another body in the ground that didn't need to be there. Sure, the best of these power playing assholes make you believe that they care, they talk a good game, after all if they didn't they'd never be able to convince anyone to do any of this kind of shit in the first place, all while serving their own agendas, the sad thing is we haven't learnt, and we still keep falling for the same old tricks in every fucking country, from every fucking leader, when they talk peace and make war. Self serving cocksuckers, the lot of them. This is my exceedingly bitter post for the night, goodnight and may whatever deity you believe in bless you and keep you safe from the real devils, the ones in expensive suits and religious garb.
RAMBO CARTOON comes on dvd in JUNE!!! by ABking	May 29th, 2005 09:23:41 AM
The cool 80's RAMBO cartoon comes on dvd in June with almost all of the episodes!!! The Rambo franchise has always been controlled indepedently and RAMBO IV continues that!!!
The problem with Doc's post is that only liking First Blood by FluffyUnbound	May 29th, 2005 09:30:14 AM
Doc didn't get the memo. Not only is "snark" officially over [the behavior pattern, and not just the word] but so is stubbornly clinging to the ideology that personal tastes are not strong markers of intelligence and general substance. [These two developments are related, in fact.] It is decisions like this one that have exiled Stallone into the outhouse of Hollywood. Arnold took his status as an 80's action star, merged it with the legend built around his own biography, showed up for a couple of photo ops about fitness at the White House, and now gets to be governor of the state of California. Clint Eastwood took his status as an action star and leveraged it with a series of serious films that inverted the assumptions of the films that made him famous, and he's now regarded as an auteur genius and living cultural landmark. Stallone, other than in Copland, got a bunch of facelifts, kept trying to do the same shit he was doing, and took two excellent films [Rocky and First Blood] and drove them into the ground until the characters became walking punchlines. And now he's looking to do more of the same, except it's a couple of facelifts later and as a result it will be even more ridiculous. He may be trying to trade one crappy film for the chance to do one good one, but unfortunately Sly is past that point now. Doing another Rambo film will just reinforce in people's minds that Sly is a joke, and will result in no one taking the other film he wants to do seriously, either. Frankly if he needs the money he'd be better off costarring with Dean Cain in climate disaster movies on the Sci-Fi Channel.
RE:Ever considered ruling by example? by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 09:30:54 AM
Sure, we don't shoot aid workers in back of their heads, or cut the heads off of construction workers with large knifes. And, you don't see Lutherians blowing up Baptists churches here in the U.S. either. Owned, you bitch (or B-i-o-t-c-h).
Lesser known Musim Terrorist Zones #1 by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 09:32:05 AM
ALGERIA: Armed Islamic groups formed and since 1992 have carried out attacks on key economic points, security forces, officials and foreigners. In 1995 Algeria's first multiparty presidential elections were held and the incumbent president Liamine Zeroual won 60% of the votes in a poll with a 75% turnout. The first multiparty legislative elections were held in June 1997 which were won by the National Democratic Rally, which holds the majority of seats along with the FLN. Although the armed wing of the FIS declared a ceasefire in October 1997, an extremist splinter group, the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), continued attacks. There is also evidence that many attacks are carried out by militias backed by the Algerian security forces. After years of civil strife, Amnesty International estimates that around 80,000 people have die
First Mullet - Part 4. With a hairdo that can mow down two hund by Masht	May 29th, 2005 09:53:36 AM

Oh, and not that anyone cares, but I of course screwed up above. by JackBurton	May 29th, 2005 09:58:30 AM
While going off on my mad ranting tangent I meant a hundred thousand, not ten. Not sure how the fuck I made that mistake, but I clearly did looking back over it, so, yeah...I guess my brain decided to stay fried despite all the coffee I've taken here at 3 in the a.m. to try and keep me functional.
Every new Stallone news bit sounds more and more like an April F by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 29th, 2005 09:58:51 AM
Stallone putting out a magazine called...Sly, Stallone enters reality television, Stallone writing Rocky VI, Stallone writing and directing a movie around Biggie and Tupac's death, which elicited my biggest huh?, until of course, Stallone writing and directing a Poe biopic, now we got Rambo IV, with "the return to Rambo
Actually... by DocPazuzu	May 29th, 2005 10:07:33 AM
...what I was trying to describe was the typical fanboy's one-out-of-three talkback stances, which is hard to do without being "snarky", and a hell of a lot less fun. Whether they're objectively right or not - or even believe what they're saying - is not as important to them as the points they perceive they can gain by employing one of those tactics while waging geek battles. As for Stallone's career choices, I must admit that I don't care enough one way or the other. Sure, I think some of his choices have been idiotic, but on the other hand I don't think he has it in him to be a new Clint Eastwood so a new Rambo doesn't matter one way or the other - and it certainly doesn't diminish First Blood.
ClassyFred... by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 10:16:15 AM
Classy, hardly! Moronic levels of intelligence will always be fodder for the political pap that assholes like Bush keep spoon-feeding.
Alpha1Media Are JOKERS by RoughDraft	May 29th, 2005 10:26:08 AM
Just wanted to offer a lil' perspective here. "Alpha1Media" is some kind of reject production house that is never commissioned by anyone to do any actual work. Their "Holy War" treatment/script was and is fan fiction that they passed around unsolicited. They even had the gall to use butchered quotes from David Morrell to push their junk, when in reality he completely trashed the thing. I have no idea why they're issuing a press release on behalf of Nu Image - I doubt they were asked to, and probably just want to further their image as somehow being legitimate when they are clearly not. On the "plus" side, Stallone did say on Larry King that he would start shooting Rambo IV in about six months and described it much the way the release does. (Gee, wonder where their info came from?)
Cant Sly come up with anything better than White Supremacists? by HeavyMetalCamaro	May 29th, 2005 10:39:27 AM
I mean really, how boring and non contriversial/confrantational and tired is that. It seems to me that because in Rambo III he is aligned with the Taliban, in Rambo IV he should go kick thier ass! What the hell is wrong with a little patriotic "superohero" Taliban ass kicking? People are so damn worried about offending someone its just stupid.
Will He Fight For AL-QUAEDA Like He Did In Rambo 3? by ZombieSolutions	May 29th, 2005 10:48:24 AM
that was made back when Osama Bin Laden AND Saddam Hussein were still our good good buddies! they weren't evildoers then, they were freedom fighters! wow. american foreign policy sure is fickle. and ironic. and stupid. how much time is left before the big backlash? god, it's gonna be sweeeet. heres to the inevitable populist uprising! cheers!
Rambo vs. The Fourth Reich (aka Imperial Christian Amerika) by ZombieSolutions	May 29th, 2005 10:54:50 AM
how about Rambo, as a disgruntled vet, organizes the People of the US -- the poor, the disenfranchised, the fucked over -- to rise up and overthrow Der Dubya Junta's Oil Empire? now THAT would be a TRUE patriotic movie.
Steven Seagal by nickedimes	May 29th, 2005 11:00:51 AM
This sounds like the plot of every DTV movie Steven "I have on facial expression" Seagal has put out the over the last 5 years! Did anyone see The Patriot?
So Rambo is a crazy Vietnam vet that killed crooked cops, killed by Big Bad Clone	May 29th, 2005 11:01:36 AM
And he's seen as the picture of a patriotism? He had to be talked into each of his missions after the events in First Blood. And all the reasons he did shit was for himself. Hell, he even stopped living in America for awhile. WTF?
BRILLIANT ZOMBIESOLUTIONS!!! by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 11:03:56 AM
Yeah, and at the end, Rambo stands outside on the steps of the Congress, throwing papers to the oh-so-dullard Dubya supporters. The papers would contain details about the oh-so-obvious connivings and ruthless manipulations of the oh-so-sordid Bush government! As Reagan once horrifyingly announced, in reference to Rambo, "We know who to send in next time." Geez, I just love it when US politics get mixed up with Hollywood fantasy.
Rocky 6 by bralli	May 29th, 2005 11:52:46 AM
I loved Stallone's response on the Contender when someone asked him about doing a Rocky 6..., "What am I supposed to fight? Arthritis?"
RE: heres to the inevitable populist uprising! by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 12:03:40 PM
Zombiesolutions, they are not enough people in Berkley, Ca, and in your parents basement to try a "popular uprising" .Twits like yourself and RKO Masturbations probably have never even been in a fight, and I don't mean playing Mortal Combat. Why don't you prepare now for a long and fruitful career in the food service industry! Here is Muslim Terrorist Spot#2: EYGYPT: Fundamentalist Muslim rebels seek to topple the secular Egyptian government. At least 1,200 people have perished since the beginning of the rebellion.
Rambo.............I FUCKED 'EM!!!! by VatoLoco	May 29th, 2005 12:10:24 PM
Ohhh!
"Who wants Rambo 4 when Over the Top 2 sits in development hell! by Mugato	May 29th, 2005 12:30:11 PM
There was sme damn fine arm wrestling in that film. Anyway, Rambo 4 wins the King Kong award for most unneeded film.
he won Vietnam War in the 80 by CuervoJones	May 29th, 2005 12:37:14 PM
Rambo is for idiots
Rambo's Indian? Is he the casino Indian or the tech support by Mugato	May 29th, 2005 12:45:19 PM
Anyway, the Arab anti-Defamation League bitched after True Lies so since then, any bad guy in any movie are American, British, Russians or Sith. Because everyone knows that there are no Arab terrorists.
Classyfred.... by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 12:48:34 PM
What exactly makes you 'classy', because you seem like nothing but a crass hick? Don't mean to be offensive, just sharing my opinion of you.
RKO Classdick by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 12:57:52 PM
HICK/REDNECK. From the "Political Correct" dictionary: Usual meaning, WHITE males brought up in rural areas. The only term that can be used by all forms of media outlets with no fear of outrage by a perceived , minority/religious/ gender/sexual orientation rights group. http://www.obsessedwithwrestli ng.com/gallery/fredblassie.htm l
white-supremacists by Omegaman	May 29th, 2005 01:02:26 PM
Yeah, that really is stupid. I was really excited till I read that. How can you NOT have him fighting Islamists? Why would they give up what could have been a huge blockbuster? Is their some kind of law or something that keeps any Hollywood movie from having muslims as bad guys? That would have been the perfect Rambo film for today. Nazis again, I shoulda known. Really, really, really stupid.
ClassyFred... by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 01:08:41 PM
I apologise, you are NOT a crass hick. How utterly, utterly uneducated of me! My God, how can I face the crowds knowing that I have been shown up by someone so eloquent and classy as yourself. OH, THE HUMANITY!
igotbigballs by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 01:15:52 PM
Classy Fred just pinned your post to the floor for ten...DING! DING!
the evolving sensibility of Silvester Stallone by CuervoJones	May 29th, 2005 01:24:19 PM

Dr. Pazuzu and others by Vern	May 29th, 2005 01:41:54 PM
Thanks for the kind words bud, although I think I fit into your category number 1 of elitist fan boys. I like First Blood and the other two I only like because they're dumb. First Blood is a little dated too because the style of action has been ripped off into the ground, but I love the whole personality conflict between the two guys and especially the great scene at the end where he breaks down and starts blubbering about Vietnam. Although I get a kick out of how hilariously retarded it is, I do think it's a little offensive how they turned Rambo into a symbol of mindless militarism. Of course if you pay attention to the movies he's more three dimensional than that, despite the whole "do we get to win this time" thing. But yeah, I think it is possible (but not fuckin likely) to make a good Rambo movie still. I guess it would be funny to see these white supremacists and/or younger sidekicks, Afghani stepchildren and Bollywood stars (was that press release written by a randomized computer program?) getting into trouble with Rambo. They think he's just a regular dude, they chose the wrong Navajo to fuck with. (Is he really Navajo? Are they thinking of Billy Jack?) Anyway, the most important point made in this talkback was the one about how he should eat things that would make a billy goat puke. That is his one super power that we have not seen in the movies, only described. It probaly took alot of training to be able to eat things like that so I hope he is able to use it for situations other than reality tv shows.
"Stallone, the Italian-American actor..." by Vern	May 29th, 2005 01:46:18 PM
I forgot to mention how much I loved that part. Especially seeing it cut and pasted into stories on other movie web sights as if it is an important detail so that readers will know who they're talking about. Oh that's right, that Italian-American guy, I forgot about that dude.
Racist Cunts by Sweeper Jones	May 29th, 2005 02:26:55 PM
You say that Rambo should fight terrorists instead of white supremacists, well guess what white supremesists are terrorists. They use fear of physical harm to try to scare people into doing what they want them to. If that isterrorism then I don't know what is. Just because someone isn't a muslim doesn't mean they can't be a terrorist you fucking racist dirtbags.
Vern by DocPazuzu	May 29th, 2005 02:59:38 PM
You're welcome. My phrasing has apparently led to a few misinterpretations in the talkback, however. The different types I mentioned were meant to illustrate the different positions taken by those fanboys who reject the idea of a fourth Rambo film out of hand. I personally love the first one and merely like the other two for the same reasons you do, as many others do. I just don't employ it to bash the very notion of Rambo IV, which was what was annoying me initially about the talkback.
More hotspots Rambo could go to face real villians by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 03:33:57 PM
Islamic Terrorist Hotspot #3: This one makes the news once in a while, but they always use terms like "masked gumnen" or "large groups of men", instead of Islamic terrorist. That's P.C. for ya: SUDAN: The largest country in Africa, has been plagued by a succession of unstable civilian and military governments since it gained independence in 1956 from an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The long-running conflict continues between the Arab Muslim northerners of Sudan, (the base of the government), and the African Christians of the south. In the mid-90s Sudan was home to Osama bin Ladin, the international terrorist responsible for the World Trade Center attack. It is estimated that more than 1,2 million people have been killed in the Sudan war, brining devastation to the Sudanese econo
Sweeper Jones, pay attention pencil neck! by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 03:40:47 PM
Comparing White Supremacists to to the Global Islamic Terror Network, in terms of size, money, man-power, and the death and carnage they commit World Wide is a little like compare a local lemonade stand to Coca-Cola incorporated. Any why is racism? What race is Islam? Lot s of areas are infected by the cancer of Global Jihad. Look, here is some fun from the Philippines: Hundreds of civilians are continuing to flee their homes in the southern Philippines, after 10 days of clashes between troops and Muslim rebels. About 25,000 villagers have now left the area, said provincial spokesman Sabri Asri. On Wednesday soldiers took over the rebels' main camp near Panamao town, which was the scene of some of the fiercest gun battles. "The enemy is being routed," said President Gloria Arroyo on Thursday. She added that the "dragnet is closing in" on the perpetrators of three bomb attacks which hit the Philippines on Monday, leaving 12 people dead. The rebels are believed to include fighters from the Abu Sayyaf and some disgruntled members of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), which signed a peace deal with the government in 1996.Authorities in the Philippines authorities are continuing to investigate a trio of bomb attacks on Monday. A man who claims involvement in one of the attacks has gone to the police to give them information, according to police and media reports. The man's conscience was troubling him after he took part in a bus bombing in Manila which killed six people, reports said. Just hours before the Manila attack, another two blasts killed six people in the southern cities of Davao and General Santos.
A domesticated Rambo? What, he uses the toilet now? by Fred	May 29th, 2005 03:46:20 PM

WHAT??? NO ROCKY 6??????? by Hamtaro_Hentai	May 29th, 2005 04:31:14 PM
You know you want it... 'This summer, you will believe a man in a wheelchair can fight.. and win...'
FUCK YEAH! by cockknocker	May 29th, 2005 04:45:54 PM
Yes, this will probably be a flop, but I dont give a shit I just want to see sly with an M-60 shooting the fuck out of everything.
WHAT?!? No LORDS OF FLATBUSH 2?!?! by ZombieSolutions	May 29th, 2005 04:49:03 PM
and what about the COBRA trilogy we've all been dying for? Crime is the disease and Rocky is the cure. oooooh. watch out! he's 4 foot 2 and he's coming for you!!!
Protecting your family is so passe by BRUTICUS	May 29th, 2005 05:06:53 PM
I liked First Blood and that he was just protecting his own ass.
Rambo vs. Al Queida by BRUTICUS	May 29th, 2005 05:30:27 PM
Rambo should go after AlQueda, set the movie in the present, Rambos daughter is killed in the 911 attack and Rambo packs his automatic weapons overseas and raises hell..
it's not April fools day so... by bluemancbrit	May 29th, 2005 05:45:26 PM
this news might actually be true. Oh. Dear.
But RAMBO Fought On the Side of AL-QUEDA in RAMBO 3! by ZombieSolutions	May 29th, 2005 06:01:23 PM
that was back when Osama Bin Laden was our good buddy and friend. sense the irony? the tragic bitter irony of an empire in sharp decline? me too.
It wasn't Al-Quesdas, you twit! by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 06:11:45 PM
It was mainly Afghan locals. Osma Bendover came in to fight later.Ever look at it this way: Osma is actually a back-stabbing cocker? You help them to beat the Russians, and get their drunk asses set back to the soon to collapse U.S.S.R. And then he turn on the U.S. He sounds like even more of dick when you look at with common sense. ZombieSolutions, let put it to you this way: A biker gang breaks in to your house, kills your dad, and rapes you mother, while holding your family prisoner. Some people from another neighborhood come in, and help you kick the gang out. What you do to say thanks? Plot to kill them. A true Islamic fascist is only happy when they are fighting and killing. Look at the lack of any progress in their world, for say 1200 years. Islamic terrorist Spot #4: KOSOVO: The ethnic Albanian KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in this Serbian province fought a guerilla war against Serbia to claim the region. Beginning in February 1999, Albanians were forced out of the province, prompting NATO to attack Serbia. By July 1999 Serb troops were forced out of Kosovo, only to open an avenue for Albanian Kosovars to attack Serb Kosovars. The Albanian Muslims have since burned down dozens of centuries-old Christian churches. In an effort to establish a Greater Albania, Albanian Muslim rebels also launched attacks in Macedonia.
Just a thought... by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 07:25:45 PM
Why can't Rambo be in a gay relationship, battling the system for gay marriages and gay soldiers? It would be inspired and a welcome move for our dreadful conservative times. VIVA REVOLUTION!!!
Yeah- Why miss out on such a great opportunity for jingoistic tw by Stan the Bat	May 29th, 2005 07:26:10 PM
Rambo could get mad at Al Qaeda and kill, like, ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND IRAQI CIVILIANS!!! Then it could slowly dawn on him that they had nothing to do with 9/11! Then he could go ask the patriots at Halliburton how American soldiers could possibly be poorly armored and equipped when the U.S. was spending $5 billion a month! Then when he finally admitted to himself what had happened he could go NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! while shooting his machine gun at nothing!! Wouldn't that be COOL?!
T3 is better than T2. by odysseus	May 29th, 2005 07:27:55 PM
While T2 is good, it suffers from a bloated storyline, plus several awkward stabs at sentimetality ("I know now why you cry."). T3 is a lean, mean action machine with great acting and a ballsy ending. Even Cameron admires it -- because he knows just how good it is. While I'm at it, Jurassic Park 3 is far better than #2. You may fire when ready...
I think you could find a way to use Islamist bad guys by Jimmy Jazz	May 29th, 2005 07:32:00 PM
without implying that EVERY Muslim in the world is a murderous nutjob. I think 24 has managed fairly well (lame PSA's aside) over the years. It just takes a good writer with a sense of nuance and imagination.
Frank Stallone by RKO Classic	May 29th, 2005 07:33:05 PM
Get Frank Stallone to sing an updated version of 'Dancing Queen' for the end titles, as John Rambo walks off into the sunset.
JackBurton - Spot on talkback post of the fucking decade. by the_kurgan	May 29th, 2005 08:51:29 PM

Has anyone ever realized...... by matthooper8	May 29th, 2005 08:55:47 PM
In the Terminator movies, if they ever stop judgement day, John Connor will not exist. It's in the future that John sends back the guy who is his father. Also, in Alien, when Ripley shoots the alien with the grapling hook on the escape pod, why doesn't the acid blood burn through the floor?
Why is Stallone remaking Billy Jack? by Donal_Graeme	May 29th, 2005 09:07:22 PM
This proposed Rambo movie sounds more like the old Billy Jack movies from the 70's. Ex Green Beret just wants to lead a quiet life on the reservation but racist white trash will not leave him alone. White trash then waits patiently for Billy Jack to take off his boots so that he can beat the bejesus out of them with his bare feet.
Hey, RKO Likesdick by classyfredblassy	May 29th, 2005 09:07:52 PM
You want to make Rambo your oiled-up champion for gay rights, and you stand up for the blood thirsty muslim terrorists who should be the villains in the film. The really ironic thing is that islamic fanatics you support hate gays more than anything. In fact they use video tapes of of gay rights parades in America on their propaganda broadcasts to show how 'unclean' America is, and why we should all be killed. If you are caught doing the butt bounce with another guy, you are both stoned to death. Speak out for gay rights, and you meet the same fate. In fact, it has become known that Arafat died of AIDS. This was kept secret to protect his 'honor' (yeah like he had any). Instead, Arab media report he died of a mystery disease that attacked his immune system. Wonder what disease that could be? Islamic Terror Hotspot # 6: INDONESIA: More than 500 churches have been burned down or damaged by Muslims over the past six years. Both the Christians and Muslims blame each other for the violence and attempts at reconciliation made little progress. After a bloody struggle East Timor gained independence in 1999. The hostilities on other islands continue to claim dozens of lives, to such an extent that the break-up of Indonesia seem imminent.
I would still prefer to see Stallone play Ben Slate in 'Lege by Monkey_King	May 29th, 2005 09:55:15 PM
featuring Mark Dacascos, Jackie Chan and Dolph Lundgren. Get Robert Rodriguez to direct and keep the aliens the same and you have a winner.
The RAMBO series!!! by ABking	May 29th, 2005 10:39:02 PM
Nu Image is lucky to have a Billion dollar franchise like RAMBO under their wing (the movies alone grossed over 614 million worldwide). This doesn't include dvd/vhs, toys/merchandise, Rambo cartoons and MORE!!! The Rambo Cartoons come to dvd in June by the way. The last time a RAMBO film came out was in 1988 and it was the MOST EXPENSIVE MOVIE at the time with a budget of 63 million (unheard of at the time). This plot for RAMBO IV sounds like a hard R rated action film like they use to make. END OF STORY!!! As for TERMINATOR 3, that movie KICKED ASS and was such a great conclusion to T2! Sure, we all thought we were going to get the 'WAR' Terminator film with T3...but T4 will be the last in that franchise and it will be the 'WAR' Terminator film we've all been waiting for. Wonder if Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna will have anything to do with RAMBO IV. They own both the TERMINATOR and RAMBO series!
What's with Stallone and the screenplays all of a sudden? by Ribbons	May 29th, 2005 11:27:53 PM
I've never seen a single Rambo (or 'First Blood' or whatever they're called), but if it's good, whatever, maybe I'll be there.
How About 2 Hours of Rambo Bent Over An Oil Can Being Brutally R by ZombieSolutions	May 30th, 2005 08:51:48 AM
that would be a real nice visual allegory for what's going on in Imperial America today. another scene could feature millions of poor working class rednecks inexplicably helping the Republicans steal their pensions, raise their taxes, take away their freedoms, and send them off to die in an Endless Corporate War based on lies. the Republican plan is really genius when you think about it -- divide the poor along racial lines, and there's very little likelihood that they will unite, rebel, and overthrow their opressors. it's a story as old as time itself. another story as old as time itself is the story of revolution. oh sweet, sweeeet backlash.
odysseus = gilipollas by CuervoJones	May 30th, 2005 09:13:13 AM

ZombieSolution's Anal fixation by classyfredblassy	May 30th, 2005 09:14:56 AM
How many times do you have to prove to everyone on the board you get turned on by a man's sweaty, hairy ass? Stay on topic, you goat whore. Career Advice Tip#2: You should learn to say "would you like to super-size your happy meal" in spanish. That will help you move ahead in the fast food service industry, that you are doomed to work in your whole pathetic life.
White Supremacists.... by Dauntless	May 30th, 2005 10:04:19 AM
...the only ethnic minority left where its still PC to attack and exploit. It's a shame Hollywood is too cowardly to make a film about Islamic fanatics. But its always fun to invoke the "Hitler" stereotype!
Yes Dauntless, hollywood is cowardly by classyfredblassy	May 30th, 2005 10:47:05 AM
They don't want to end up like this guy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor ld/europe/3974179.stm.D utch film maker Theo van Gogh, who made a controversial film about Islamic culture, has been stabbed and shot dead in Amsterdam, Dutch police say.
I Am On Topic, ClassyFred... by ZombieSolutions	May 30th, 2005 11:04:18 AM
and i'm not gay, but i am curious -- why haven't YOU enlisted? all of this time posting personal attacks could be put to good use attacking the enemies of Halliburton. so, since you clearly believe in the Endless War for the Oil Axis, i'm curious why you aren't on the frontlines? if you consider yourself to be so tough, manly, and "patriotic", GO ENLIST! Rambo will love you for it. don't worry, if you make it back with any semblance of sanity, maybe the Republican government won't take away your benefits. or maybe they will. i guess it all depends on which rich old white guy is making the rules that year. **** to quote a wise, rich old white guy: "those who would give up their freedom for more security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin
Stallone Moves like a Sloth by RoughDraft	May 30th, 2005 11:16:27 AM
Admittedly, Stallone's physique is almost inconceivably chiseled even though he's staring age 60 in the face. (HGH and the money/time to work out correctly and eat right will do that for you.) However, those clamoring for Rocky/Rambo Part IXIVIII need to come to grips with the fact that in MOTION, Stallone moves like a burn victim. Stephen Hawking could dodge this guy's punch. This was depressingly evident during his "Vegas" guest stint earlier this year, wherein he and fellow geriatric James Caan "roughed" up some mobster muscle. It took me a minute to realize that the shot wasn't in slow motion, but real time. IMO, the only way for Stallone to properly rejuvenate the Rocky franchise is to act as a mentor to an up and coming MMA fighter - maybe a grappler whose boxing is lacking. Throw him a perfunctory tussle at the end with the rival coach or something. As for Rambo: short of chopping off Osama's head, he's completely obsolete in 21st Century America. The PC Police aren't going to let this movie be topical, and topical is the only way it would draw any business. But quite honestly, reducing the Taliban conflict to comic book-level theatrics is probably too offensive for anyone to take responsibility for. That said, having a bunch of Taliban captured and then escape, only to hold a small US town hostage, would be at least interesting.
By the way, Jackson is a lousy liar. by SalvatoreGravano	May 30th, 2005 02:10:56 PM
One recent example - "Lord of the Rings" score liner notes. "Howard Shore was always my first choice" - I suppose Jackson forgot that he himself phoned and dogged Wojciech Kilar for two months to score the movies. Or maybe he puts his name under PR bullshit written by studio interns... whichever is worse. Either way, it reminded me of the Duckman classic: "...Duckman refused to make any comment on the refusals of all the actresses and on his eventual decision to cast a studio secretary in the blockbuster, instead saying only, quote, 'She was always my first choice'"...
Here's how I' by FluffyUnbound	May 30th, 2005 02:16:39 PM

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Whoops. by FluffyUnbound	May 30th, 2005 02:24:07 PM
Here's how I'd do a Rambo - Taliba movie. Rambo now lives in a vet's hospital. A real shithole, that makes the one in Born on the Fourth of July look like Buckingham Palace. Agent Orange, steroids, and a steady diet of things that would make a billy goat puke have destroyed John Rambo's health and left him slurring, palsic basket case. He finally loses the rest of his sanity because the other patients won't believe the absurd, stuttered, slurred, tales of heroics he tells in between doses of antipsychotic drugs. After a montage where he does push-ups, pull-ups, etc. on the floor of the hospital ward to "get back in shape", he stumbles out of the hospital one day to try to find the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Unfortunately, he only makes it as far as the local convenience store, where he has yet another psychotic break and becomes convinced that the Pakistani guy working the checkout is Osama. He attempts to take him out with a weapon he improvises with some sticks he found outside, but slips on a spilled soda and collapses into a stand of men's lifestyle magazines. The shopkeeper pulls out a shotgun and blows him away. The End.
does that mean that Rambo will have a wacky interracial sidekick by punto	May 30th, 2005 06:10:17 PM
Meesa helpin Rambo rescuse little girl! (whatever.. I haven't seen ep3 yet, so my jar jar speak is a little rusty)
odysseus by one9deuce	May 30th, 2005 06:36:22 PM
odysseus, odysseus, odysseus. You think T3 is better than T2? Come on now. Every single thing in T3 is ripped off from T2, so that alone makes it inferior. You mention that T3 is "lean". You're right, there is no story there. It just has a bunch of action set-pieces. Not to mention that the entire thing hinges on negating The Terminator AND Terminator 2. It was made to make money. There wasn't some writer/director with an interesting story he wanted to tell, there was a studio that had the rights to a franchise sequel and wanted to get another entry out there. And James Cameron doesn't admire T3 by any stretch of the imagination. Arnold kept telling everyone that he wouldn't make T3 without Cameron (good thinking by Arnold), but Cameron finally just told Arnold "Just do it and ask for a shit-load of money". It was just a job in their minds sorry to say. Plus on the Terminator 2 commentary track Cameron rips on T3, and the line "she'll be back". Hardly an admirer. Jurassic Park 3 is better than The Lost World: Jurassic Park? LW is an incredibly unfocused and poorly written film that has no idea what it's trying to accomplish. But it is STILL better than that turd JP3. The plot for JP3 is as direct to video as you can have. Some kid gets lost on the island and needs to be rescued. Jurassic Park is such a classic that I believe will only increase in status over the years. It sucks to see every franchise get crappier, but the Jurassic Park franchise fell harder and faster than most. Great SFX though.
Trautman is Gone by perfecto_fan	May 30th, 2005 07:11:22 PM
The great Richard Crenna is dead, so is the idea of a decent Rambo film. I like Stallone but it is too late for another Rambo. Can't believe they waited this long.
ZombieSolutions i'm not gay, but i am bi-curious. by classyfredblassy	May 30th, 2005 07:39:55 PM
Here are a couple better questions for you. Do you live in America? If so, why don't you move if you hate it so much? And what is you current model of idlic social an political utopia that you use for your model? France? And if you support the bloody thirsty Muslim terrorista so much, why don't you convert? I guess that would ruin any chance you could have in the future of exploring your bi-curious tendencies. Because if your fellow Jihad Johnies found out, you would be stoned. And I don't mean by smoking wacky weed.
Arnold made a lot of money on T3 - and that is a negative becaus by Dagan	May 30th, 2005 08:04:29 PM
I don't get the tenor of the article or the responses. These transactions are completely voluntary. They paid Arnold what they thought he was worth for their film, and he bargained for what he thought he could get, based on his perceived value. If his price was too high, they could have easily walked away and made another film. Why is this a bad thing again? Nobody held a gun to their heads. It was a voluntary transaction based on perceived value and hoped-for return.
Zombie, my friend... by RKO Classic	May 30th, 2005 08:12:59 PM
That is a GREAT quote you gave: "those who would give up their freedom for more security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin
ClassyFred... by RKO Classic	May 30th, 2005 08:18:23 PM
Man, you must salute the Stars & Stripes every morning when you get up out of bed, with your manky hair and bad breath. Really, mate, you are one step away from sounding like a paranoid Nazi. Did you see the excellent movie 'Downfall'? It really encapsulates the power of personality cults and ideological intoxication. Seriously, there is nothing to be gained by aggression and war. There is everything to be gained by demonstrating peace and harmony. I guess that you are Christian, Fred. What did your Messiah teach? .....By the way, I'm a Buddhist.
taliban vs. white supremacist by Ryogam	May 30th, 2005 08:25:36 PM
The last two Rambo movies play on the revenge instinct of the audience, whether well-grounded or not. The average audience member for a Rambo movie doen't want to vicariously kick the ass of the local skin-head,they still want some measure of revenge against the perps of 9/11, fuck the global politics/imperialist/oil lust nuances. That said Rambo vs. Osama gets my $7.50, Rambo vs. David Duke, maybe my $1.50, Now, a good Rambo movie could explore the confluence of IT and WS all at the same time. http://www.jihadwatch.org/arch ives/005303.php "Aryan Nations National Director August Kreis writes www.aryan-nations.org), "We as an organization will also endeavor to aid all those who subvert, disrupt and are (sic) malignant in nature to our enemies. Therefore I offer my most sincere best-wishes to those who wage holy Jihad against the infrastructure of the decadent, weak and Judaic-influenced societal infrastructure of the West. I send a message of thanks and well-wishes to the methods and works of groups on the Islamic front against the jew such as Al-Qaeda and Sheik Usama Bin Ladin, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and to all Jihadis worldwide who fight for the glory of the Khilafah and the downfall of the anti-life and anti-freedom System prevalent on this earth today."
RE: By the way, I'm a Buddhist by classyfredblassy	May 30th, 2005 09:09:09 PM
Hey you know something? Most people don't like getting blown up. I know it sounds silly to you, but people like to do things like ride a plane, get some ice cream, and not worry about some Hamas/Al-Fuckface dude coming in and blowing every one up, just because they follow a different religion. Left wingers like to try and place the blame on American Foreign policy and that it some how 'drives' them to those terrorist actions. But that theory is shot down immediately if you just look at the world news on consistent basis. Ever really hear what the Indonesia Troops did to the Christians at East Timor? Ah hello, nothing to do with a America there. Sudan, same thing, India, same thing, Niger, same thing, shall I go on? I personally have nothing against Buddhists. You don't see them brainwashing their kids since birth that any one who has a different faith is an infidel, and they are so vile that not only is o.k. to kill them and their children in cold blood, but in doing so you a given a great reward in the after life. Christians and Jews both believe their people to be the chosen ones, but the faiths don't tell them to kill any one who follows a different god. As a Buddhist, surely even you can see the pure bigoted hate displayed by the Taliban is this news story: ABUL, Afghanistan, March 10 (AP) - Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia has almost finished destroying two towering statues of Buddha and will complete the job soon despite an international outcry, a top Taliban official said Saturday. "We have destroyed 80 percent of the statues. There is only small amount left and we will destroy that soon," Abdul Hai Muttmain, a spokesman for Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. Two weeks ago, Omar ordered the destruction of the massive Buddhas from the third and fifth centuries and all other statues in Afghanistan. He said the edict was meant to discourage idolatry.
Bamiyan Statues by RKO Classic	May 30th, 2005 09:18:12 PM
They are but stone. To stop suffering, one must stop perpetrating it.
"Buddha said..." by Ribbons	May 30th, 2005 10:26:31 PM
Third and fifth century statues, kaput because of idolatry? That ain't right. Then again, I didn't even know about them until just now.
ABKing, I don't know who you are, by one9deuce	May 31st, 2005 12:46:37 AM
but you sound just like a corporate shill. No offense.
Please....Bollywood actors would only make this movie idea even by Bong	May 31st, 2005 01:38:12 AM
Let me guess...Rambo will sing and dance like and idiot every few minutes?
You know.. Holy War was an interesting concept by Ridge	May 31st, 2005 03:05:42 AM
But I wasnt totally sold on it, but it had a good solid idea behind it. This? Sounds like the latest instalment of shit from Straight-to-video-VanDamme himself. White supremacists? Outback america? Please. I don't think it'd be the second coming, but Holy War if handled with the right hands and a lot of heart could be a damn fine movie.
Hmmm... by DarthFrybread	Jun 1st, 2005 05:47:43 PM
In Rambo II they said he was half Apache Indian and half German...so, how is he returning to this "Navajo" roots???
My RAMBO 4 script is better!! by rusted	Jun 1st, 2005 08:19:14 PM
I got a better script for RAMBO 4! okay it starts out as couple of american red cross workers go to iraq and get captured by terrorists, who demand that they will behead the hostages if America doesnt pull out of iraq. Colonel Trautman (there can be no RAMBO movie without col.Trautman!!!!!), who is high up in pentagon hears about the news, and is asked by the president to find a way to get the hostages freed (maybe the president's kid is one of the red cross hostages??). Col. Trautman says there's only one man to get the job done....RAMBO!!!! Rambo is living in american outback or whatever and is having a day out with his kids when Col. Trautman appears infont of his ranch (all dressed up in his military uniform!!) and asks RAMBO to help the hosties. RAMBO agrees reluctantly and his parachuted into Fallujah first blood-2 style, lands in the middle and fights the terrorists after befriending a hot shiite girl (who tragically dies later by those nasty terrorists) and finds the hosties and kicks the crap out of the terrorists who kidnapped them...then he frees the hosties and calls in the helicopter, which crashes right infront of them!! (RAMBO gets the murdoch nostalgia) RAMBO gets pissed as fuck, finds all the al qaida leaders in iraq and kills them...then osama binladen shows up wearing russian military uniform reminding RAMBPO of his past!! RAMBO and binladen fight it out and RAMBO kills binladen and his people using a tank. then RAMBOP finds another helicopter, gets all the hosties in it and flies out of iraq with the sun setting behind him!! oh i googled hrithik roshan and saw his pics..he looks kinda like.......RAMBO!!!!!!!. and that guy who said amitabh stinks...i watched some of amitabh's movies (BLACK being the most recent one) and i'm gonna tell yall this...BLACK is gonna win this years oscar for best foreign picture!!! amitabh is awesome in it go check it out its on dvd!! im gonna try to watch some hrithik movies this weekend

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