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REVENGE OF THE SITH TalkBack #2!

woohoo by invalid quinn	May 21st, 2005 04:36:07 PM
Seeing it today!
ugh by ChurchOfZod	May 21st, 2005 04:36:23 PM
I just got done watching this soulless two hour cartoon. LUCAS, YOU OWE ME SEVEN BUCKS!
Loved this movie. by cdmjr	May 21st, 2005 04:36:47 PM
Better than Jedi!
good but depressing by all	May 21st, 2005 04:36:58 PM

AND ANYONE THAT THINKS OTHERWISE... by cdmjr	May 21st, 2005 04:37:36 PM
...has...a...different opinion than me.
by Alkohal	May 21st, 2005 04:38:50 PM
seen 4 times since the midnight screening , dissapointed by no differences in digital version as was claimed.
$7 by zer0cool2k2	May 21st, 2005 04:40:07 PM
What theater is still only $7.00? Oh, I guess matinees are cheaper. What the Hell did ebert say anyway? I haven't read it. I thought the movie was pretty good, and parts of it are awesome, but I can't help but wonder if even the haters wanted it to redeem the franchise a little, and that's why it's scoring so well on RT. I mean people go online to bitch much more often than to praise.
George: by hypermaug	May 21st, 2005 04:42:16 PM
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've contsructed.
Please don't fling poo my way but... by InZodWeTrust	May 21st, 2005 04:42:18 PM
I'd now like to see Lucas remake the OT. Have Christansen paly Luke, and maybe someone like Johnny Knoxville play Han Solo...
i loved this film. by DAS JANKE	May 21st, 2005 04:42:27 PM
and i generally hate everything. i've seen it 3 times in as many days, and i must say: it's got great replay value.
Digital differences? by Jubba	May 21st, 2005 04:42:28 PM
Were there any differences other than clarity on digital screens? I remember reading something about an extra Bagobah scene and other "Extras" for the digital projections...that was untrue, then?
How many of these Slave Leias weighed in at less that 220 lbs? by Nice Marmot	May 21st, 2005 04:43:52 PM

How do you go from Jar Jar.... by JAGUART	May 21st, 2005 04:45:37 PM
To killing a room full of prepubescent Jedis?
6 movies...1 story by Deak the Geek	May 21st, 2005 04:45:53 PM
this movie has made me love star wars even more if that was posible..a story about a boy who became a man who turned evil and was then redemed by his children..a great story..28 years...6 movies....1 story....thank you mr Lucas..you have made me a very happy man.
You saw a slave Leia that weighed 220lbs? by googamooga	May 21st, 2005 04:52:20 PM
You lucky bastard! All the slave Leias at my screening weighed in excess of 300lbs! Though to be fair, they looked positively petite next to all the 440lb stormtroopers and Darth Vaders. I'm beginning to think that "The 501st" is a reference to weight.... Either that, or the number of times they masturbated to 220lb Slave Leias.
InZodWeTrust by Forestal	May 21st, 2005 04:53:42 PM
"InZodWeTrust I'd now like to see Lucas remake the OT. Have Christansen paly Luke, and maybe someone like Johnny Knoxville play Han Solo..." You better be joking.
Another part I loved by ChurchOfZod	May 21st, 2005 04:54:44 PM
Was Temura Morrison's magically floating head. Dodgy CGI amd wooden acting. Lucas...you had me at hello.
Binks ... I finally realised what he exists for by SonicSamurai	May 21st, 2005 04:54:47 PM
... It's so that I can convince my 9yr old and 6yr old kids that going to see Star Wars will be fun!!!!
The turn to the darkside didn't work so it RUINED EVERYTHING by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 04:56:56 PM
The whole last hour was dependent on the fact that Anakin's turn would work. It didn't. Remember the way look was chopping at Darth Vader at the end of Jedi? Then he decides not to turn after he was so angry. Anakin's turn should have been the same except he decides to join the Emperor. Instead we get.."what have I done?...uh okay I'll join you...now I'll kill some kids and complain about the way of the universe for another hour" He was just a punk kid with annoying complaints...not the greatest film villain ever. It didn't give any weight to anything that happens in the rest of the movie...or all of the movies for that matter. George had a chance to make something great and he ended up making something just okay.
I meant Luke not Look. by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 04:58:02 PM
sorry, typing in anger means spelling errors.
The Burger King commercial by Ribbons	May 21st, 2005 04:58:49 PM
The one with the king? That thing is indeed creepy as all get-out. But I've never liked that king in the first place...
Great stuff. Just great. by gappman	May 21st, 2005 05:01:36 PM
Wonderful film and it was shoehorned perfectly between AOTC and New Hope.
I was first in line and I waited nine and half hours... by kintar0	May 21st, 2005 05:02:38 PM
and I've seen it four times so far already. It's absoultely fucking spectacular.
frickin brilliant. by lycangrope	May 21st, 2005 05:03:33 PM
I want a giant lizard ,but could not afford to feed it horses. I expected a lot from this film and it delivered. Nice one george
heh by kintar0	May 21st, 2005 05:03:41 PM
absolutely, even...
I can't believe by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 05:04:57 PM
I can't believe how everyone accepts this so easily. Yeah it was fun...but Brilliant? Spectacular? He dropped the ball again guys... he didn't drop it as bad as the other movies and this movie has it's great moments no doubt. I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan and I just can't accept that this punk is Darth Vader... Vader saying "Nooooooooo!" is the worst decision in film history. I prefer Greedo shooting first to that.
Best SW film by I Dunno	May 21st, 2005 05:05:29 PM
...and best summer action film in a long ass time. It had a real story, decent acting and the best FX and editing of any film ever. If the dialogue seemed bad, it's because the characters themselves aren't Shakespearean poets. So people who hate the movies or the prequels or Star Wars in general, I'm sorry. I for one had a kick ass time for 3 hours with a bunch of other SW geeks and afterward, yes, I did get laid. And not in my parents' basement. They have an attic.
You Know My Name by InZodWeTrust	May 21st, 2005 05:05:43 PM
You'd be there "FIRST" in line, and you know it.
So Harry finally realizes the obvious by Rupee88	May 21st, 2005 05:08:16 PM
Yes, there will be more Star Wars feature films...it is virtually guaranteed, regardless of whether they are produced in 5 years, 10 years, or 20 years.
Actually 22nd. by Forestal	May 21st, 2005 05:08:36 PM

That's right, I want to see a guy from "Jackass" play one of the by Forestal	May 21st, 2005 05:10:06 PM

riccage is an idiotic troll... by kintar0	May 21st, 2005 05:12:08 PM
but i'll bite. What would you have prefered Vader to scream, shitheap? Your criticisms are fucking weak. You don't even have anything specific. I, for one, do not believe that you are this "HUGE Star Wars fan." You're the punk, and I defy you to produce some real criticism.
Revenge of the Wooden Actors by LouGehrig	May 21st, 2005 05:15:18 PM
In the end this film was only slightly better than the first two. The painful dialogue was still there, with about eight nearly identical scenes taking place in luxury apartments in the sky, with a backdrop of the city and all its flying cars. Over and over and over...
Vader by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 05:17:06 PM
Vader should have just made the room explode (or implode) like Akira or something. Noooooo! was almost comedic. The audience I was watching this with (twice!) laughed both times. Not the feeling you want when Darth Vader is born. My true criticism is this. The build was great. The first hour was pure Star Wars...when I was watching the 1st hour I thought "This is better than Jedi! I love this" After Mace Windu fights the movie takes a turn that doesn't hold up because Anakin doesn't really change. He just does bad things that make little to no sense. If we had seen his anger take over (like the dark side is supposed to do) the rest of the film would have been much more effective. My problem is that he doesn't seem at all to be Darth Vader. This is supposed to be the most horrible man in the Galaxy...not a boy with issues
can anyone look objectively by mr jones	May 21st, 2005 05:17:18 PM
and see that this movie is good, (like matrix 2 was), but that's it; that as part of a trilogy it ain't that good. realistically, anyone who watched all the moveies 1-6 in that order will think the second three (4-6) are weak; they're not, but if we're honest, darth vader is the worst darth ever. i still think that darth maul was the best ever. as for new vader, why don't they deck him out like grievous etc... this movie was good, but it wasn't what the fans wanted, and it wasn't what the public wanted. $400 million. which is rubbish for a movie of this size
more films by Jubba	May 21st, 2005 05:19:11 PM
On the plus side, if more SW movies get made, Lucas may be too old to direct them and may have to settle for producer while someone with a steadier hand moves to the helm. Any nominations?
Ugh by thor1310	May 21st, 2005 05:20:15 PM
What an incredibly beautiful yet soulless movie. I think what I loved the most was the murdering of the Jedi's by the Clones...did anyone else not think it was too damny easy? I mean, this is THE climactic event of the six movies, this is how Palpatine gets power--by removing the one group that totally stands in his way, and in the space of sixty seconds they all get shot in the back, except for Yoda, who looked more disturbed as a puppet in Empire when Luke was being a sniveling brat. I'm so glad these abominations are over. For a while I thought I was watching Blade 2 with all the crappy CGI. Ian was the only good thing about the movie, and even some of his stuff was lame. And Hayden Christensan...I mean...we thought Mark Hamill was a horrible wooden actor? Bottom line-- I wanted to like/love these movies as much as you guys. But they aren't movies...they're just glitzy cartoons. This one was just as mediocre as the other two, I can't believe all the people giving it good reviews.
thor1310 by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 05:22:37 PM
He's right in an odd way. I still love a lot of it. But I think you all like it way too much.
Jedi deaths by Jubba	May 21st, 2005 05:22:38 PM
Did anyone else think that the 3 Jedi accompanying Mace to arrest Palpatine were completely useless with a lightsaber? If they had to die without even moving, at least Lucas could have added some Matrix-esque bullet-time to show that Palpaltine moved way too fast for them to react. Otherwise, those were the most useless Jedi ever.
RE-more films by Deak the Geek	May 21st, 2005 05:24:40 PM
I don't think Lucas will hand the movies to anyone else..there his babies...he aint bothered about giving the t.v shows to other people...but the movies he will take to the grave..
saw it: boring fuckin movie...people were yawning loudly in the by bigdickmcgee	May 21st, 2005 05:25:10 PM

I find your lack of intelligence disturbing... by kintar0	May 21st, 2005 05:25:42 PM
Anakin seemed pretty fucking angry throughout the last half of the film. You can tell because of all the angry shouting. Should Vader have screamed out "YESSSS!" or "PADME!!!!" or something? Give one better alternative. Vader should have made the room explode? Vader using the force to destroy the room and droids wasn't enough for you? Hate to break it to you, idiot, but ROTS is not Akira. You didn't get any of that Frankenstien feeling from Vader's birth? You do realize that ANH takes place decades after ROTS, don't you? I guarantee you won't be or act the same in twenty years. Anakin doesn't really change, huh? Sure, going from a hero for the Republic and saving lives to killing little kids. Yeah, such a small insignificant change. Which of the "bad things" he did didn't make any sense? You've got nothing. You want to have something, you're struggling, but you've got nothing.
Obi Wan should have put a bomb in grevious's ribcage.... by cockknocker	May 21st, 2005 05:26:21 PM
I think ROTS had some perfect moments but the flaws are so HUGE they completey undermin the whole film, Anakins turn just doesn't work.
the positive response to ROTS will go down as the worst case of by IndustryKiller	May 21st, 2005 05:28:31 PM
A terrible film. And what is apparent now is that nobody actually cared if it was any good.. As long as Anakin somehow ended up as Vader the stupid fucking masses will spoon feed themselves whatever is in front of them. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for taking part in the wholesale desicration of what coul have been one of the greatest stories ever told.
I knew someone would finally compare this movie to a fart. by Forestal	May 21st, 2005 05:28:37 PM

anger by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 05:28:56 PM
The fact that you would resort to insults and anger shows your lack of intelligence. I see why you bought Anakin's turn so easilty. I'm sure other people (as I've read in almost every review, positive and negative) think Anakin turned too quickly. If you don't think Vader screaming NOOO! at the end was cheesy...wow. You're kidding yourself my friend.
Good but not great by Chumba	May 21st, 2005 05:28:57 PM
It's better than 1 & 2 but overall the story really didn't do it for me, and George's fascination with ridiculous droid humor just annoys me. The VFX were spectacular with only one or 2 shots that felt unfinished. The editing on the other hand, needed some work in my opinion, because the pace really lagged and there were way too many beauty shots of ships and cities and stuff, followed by conversations that literally seemed to be waiting for us to arrive before they began. A good re-cut on the film would have those conversations starting over the beauty shots and then we arrive while the characters are mid-conversation. And yet, I felt like there was actually 2 movies worth of material in there had things been handled differently. I think the biggest mistake was starting the saga with Anakin as an 8-yr-old. The story of Attack of the Clones should have been the story for Ep I, with Anakin starting out as a young man and already a Jedi in training. Ep 2 could have been his turn and Ep 3 his transformation into Vader. This is all just my opinion, but I just feel like the movies as a trilogy spent too much time on inconsequential fluff (e.g. Jar Jar, General Greivous, Jango Fett) and rushed through the monumental moments like the birth of Luke and Leia, Yoda going into exile, the hiding of the kids, Padme's death, even Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. And in the end, when you go back to Ep 4 and 5, things don't jive. ("I don't remember owning any droids." "Obi-Wan? I haven't been called that since long before you were born." Luke on Dagobah: "There's something familiar about this place." and on and on.) It also occurred to me after seeing Ep 3 that Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and General Greivous should have all been one character. How cool would it have been to have Sidious resurrect Darth Maul as a cyborg (sort of a beta test for what he would finally get right with Vader), and keep the coolest character from Ep 1 throughout the prequels? As it sits now, all 3 of these potentially standout characters were wasted and the end result is that the narrative drive of the prequel trilogy is somewhat diffused because we didn't have a clear "bad guy" driving it. Yes, Palpatine / Sidious was running the show from Ep 1, but he was such an indirect presence for most of the story that he doesn't fill the role that Vader did in the OT, (which is the "face" of the opponent). Just imagine if Darth Maul could have done that, while transforming into the killer cyborg Greivous was supposed to be? Maybe then he wouldn't have gone out like a complete pussy. Anyway... my 2 cents. I'm just a nut for the original trilogy, plain and simple.
re: more films by Jubba	May 21st, 2005 05:28:57 PM
Lucas has only directed 4 out of the 6. Therefore, he has the power to hand them over to others, especially once he's too old to take the helm.
Light saber battles by DarthRicker	May 21st, 2005 05:30:10 PM
The only two fights that I didn't feel were rushed (speaking of the PT, that is) were Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan vs. Maul and Obi-Wan vs. Anakin. Maybe not bullet-time, Jubba, but at least they could have put up a better fight.
as above by mr jones	May 21st, 2005 05:30:19 PM
the three jedi that went with mace; there seemed no point, since they were obviously rubbish level 1 jedi. what annoys me is that lucas, for the 'dramatic' sections, still wants more CGI than exists in most movies, just to make it look pretty. What ever happened to dark space? if someone has something to say, then what does the background matter? according to lucas, it means everything...
I don't understand the negative feeling towards ROTS... by Forestal	May 21st, 2005 05:31:06 PM
This movie had MUCH better acting than TPM and AOTC, plus (just like the second half of AOTC) this actually felt like a REAl Star Wars movie!
Ep. III by Mafu	May 21st, 2005 05:35:21 PM
My reation: yuck. I felt the story, the acting, the script, and the emotional payoffs were poorly executed in every way imaginable, which is now typical of Lucas. This episode even ruined the original trilogy for me, since I now don't give a shit about Luke or Leia. So sad, really. Lucas could've hit it out of the park, even with the cringeworthy lines sprinkled here and there, but it's now obvious to me that Lucas has no clue how to tell a good story. His writing is so clumsy and hackneyed it's painful to behold on-screen. I'm sure it sounded great in his head when he wrote it, but there's a reason professional script editors exist, and it's sad Lucas didn't hire one before shooting began. The Brittany Spears generation seems to love this film, which is cool, but no one can convince me that Lucas put forth his best effort in making this film. In six months, moviegoers will look back on "Sith" with the same contempt and disappointment they now feel for the first two prequels. Lucas could've been remembered as a great filmmaker. Instead, he'll be remembered as pretty good.
40/40/60 by Electric_Monk	May 21st, 2005 05:35:31 PM
One of the main goals of Revenge of the Sith was to make it all fit together. The last film of the prequel series, writer/director George Lucas needed to make sure everything would connect to A New Hope and beyond. In that respect, Episode III achieves its motives. By far the best of the current three films, Revenge is a slickly produced film and while the acting has improved, the Velveeta cheesy dialogue remains. I understand what Lucas was doing in both The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones; he was telling an epic tale of how a democracy can be easily manipulated into a dictatorship. He needed those two films to explain all that would happen in Revenge and beyond. And I accept that his direction to be uninspired, and his words a bit silly and embarrassing. Like I said, it
OBI-WAN never owned the droids... by Deak the Geek	May 21st, 2005 05:37:47 PM

the best darth by mr jones	May 21st, 2005 05:37:54 PM
dies rubbishly, and doesn't do anything. but after all six movies, everyone i know agrees that darth maul, (double-bladed sabre and all), was by far the best baddie in the series, (taking away his lucas-esque completely rubbish death). I don't know anyone that thinks his pacing while waiting isn't the best bit in ep I
6 MONTHS by RicCage	May 21st, 2005 05:39:27 PM
I agree. Give it six months and the film will be looked at as a sub par entry in the series. It's official the the prequels as a whole are a lame attempt to bring back the magic that was Star Wars...now that they are all over. It's official.
RicCage: blah blah blah... by kintar0	May 21st, 2005 05:41:11 PM
You can't even answer a simple question, even when it's repeated twice. I'm not sure why you think I "bought" Anakin's turn so "easilty." You like to make hyperbolic statements with no support. My point is that you have no real criticisms, just obtuse feelings that you cannot define. Your criticism, in fact. is exactly like 90% of the criticism that Star Wars always gets. As for Mace's posse getting killed so quickly? There are always only two Sith lords. Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar and Mace Windu have NEVER fought a Sith lord before. Hence he makes quick work of them. And the most powerful Jedi, Windu, comes the closest to defeating him.
Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Haters by Forestal	May 21st, 2005 05:44:22 PM

what if i said by mr jones	May 21st, 2005 05:44:23 PM
thay impassionately, all six star wars films really aren't that good. for sfx, lotr and various others win, for story, virtually every other movie wins, and for sheer charisma, (apart from ford), sw isn't even close. in fact, take away the 'best film ever mark, and i think "flash gordon" is the best sci-fi movie of the era, (becaues it personalises everything). oh, and before you say, i've seen ep 3 twice, and like all six; just realise that for 90% of the population, they're not the be-all and end-all of film
It was definitely a step up from the other prequels... by Durendal	May 21st, 2005 05:49:06 PM
But still not as good as the OT. Just about any scene involving Padme and Anakin was full of wooden acting and stunted dialogue. However, we did get some awesome battles, lightsaber duels...and we finally got some backstory on Palpatine. And RicCage, Anakin's conversion did work. The moment he lopped Windu's hand off and saw him die, he knew he'd crossed the point of no return. He could never go back. The only thing left to do was pledge himself to Palpatine and pray that he could save Padme. I guess all that killing screwed him up, because...drumroll...Is Anakin Skywalker gonna hafta choke a bitch? Anyway, it was at least decent. Give it some time and see if that consensus holds.
Here's the thing... by thor1310	May 21st, 2005 05:51:23 PM
I think a lot of you guys are missing. The people that are "dissing" the films wanted to like them as much as you guys did. It is a beautiful story, it's just not told very well, and that's what makes it so dissapointing for this fan. And as far as the acting being so much better than the TPM and AOTC...yes, it was a lot better. But that doesn't mean it was good. Didn't any of you see those pieces of excrement?
"they're not the be-all and end-all of film" by kintar0	May 21st, 2005 05:51:46 PM
And they're certainly not meant to be. If you honestly expect that, and I think a lot of you do, then you are obviously going to be disappointed. These films aren't like Magnolia or whatever. None of these actors are striving for an Oscar. Lucas isn't shooting for Best Director. None of these characters are meant to be perfect. Anakin's reasons for turning to the Dark Side are "muddled" and "not logical?" No shit, Sherlock. Since when has the descent into evil ever been logical?
"I failed you Anakin...I failed you" by Deak the Geek	May 21st, 2005 05:52:36 PM
when Obi wan said that...it sent shivers up my spine....I don't give a rats arse what anyone says...i loved the movie...and thats all that matters to me.
A British View by coldreboot	May 21st, 2005 06:00:48 PM
I'm a brit who saw it on opening night, so for a different perspective: Read on! *********First of all, enjoyed the movie thoroughly! Here are the few niggles I had - but then I didn't make it, did I? :-) 1. Mace Windu seemed to be a bloater this time around, Samuel L could have at least lost some weight! I don't buy fat jedi. 2. BECAUSE the film was good, it makes the first two look like they were written and directed by a completely different person and stand out like a sore thumb. Here's hoping for massive edits for the DVD box set releas! 3. The 'NOOOOOOOO!' was a bit badly done, but I'm not sure why people keep mentioning this 'dying of a broken heart' crap for Padme like it's an actual quote. The version I saw, the droid only said 'she's lost the will to live, there's nothing we can do'. If your going to quote, pay attention to whats being said. 4. And finally, to the complete morons on the first talkback trying to find some complicated sub-plot conspiricy to Padme's 'large tummy' after her giving birth. You total fucktards, pregnant bellies don't just 'dissapear' like Obi-fucking-wan Kenobi; they take time! Get out more and meet some women for christs' sakes!
did everyone in your theatre start laughing... by wildingb	May 21st, 2005 06:03:07 PM
...at the anakin-padme lines that went something like this. Anakin: You are so beautiful Padme: I am only beautiful because i love you so much Anyway, i didnt go for the 'love' story. I enjoyed the movie but was disappointed with the Padme character. Padme turned from a powerful politician in the first movie to a simpering idiot in the third. She died of a broken heart, give me a break...
bad by jonahmavesin	May 21st, 2005 06:05:41 PM
friends and I laughed through most of it, along with most of the theatre. a few moments where one person tried to applaud a "cool" moment, but no one joined in. not even worth an argument here, it's just bad. the only redeeming moments were the death sequence for the Jedi, and every single reference to the original trilogy in terms of sets and locales, though all they did was make me want to pop in Episode IV. yawn. move on.
The second half of this movie... by Christopher3	May 21st, 2005 06:06:54 PM
Should have been Eps I-III.
Mr_Miracle by Mafu	May 21st, 2005 06:07:24 PM
If you don't mind, I'd like to address the question you asked RicCage. Mr_Miracle, you wrote, "Anakin seemed pretty fucking angry throughout the last half of the film... Should Vader have screamed out "YESSSS!" or "PADME!!!!" or something? Give one better alternative." All right, I'll give you an alternative: he doesn't scream anything. In fact, the scene is nearly silent. Vader starts breathing in his mask, rises to his feet, and turns toward the Emperor. He stares at the Emperor for a sad, prolonged moment, then gathers himself and bows his head toward his new master, who grins in smug triumph. This scenario would've evoked a sense of great loss, of great tragedy, without Vader saying or shouting anything. And this is just an idea off the top of my head, one of hundreds that would've been more gripping than Lucas's "NOOOOO!!!" And I'm not the only person who feels this way.
Actually, that love talk was supposed to be funny by Razorback	May 21st, 2005 06:07:50 PM
When Padme is combing her hair we are supposed to laugh at how silly they are acting. I mean, Padme gets him to say that she is beautiful to him only because he is in love with her... then he all of a sudden catches it and nervously says "That's not exactly what I meant." It is corny but funny, on purpose. At first I thought that was a scene that didn't belong at all but after seeing the movie a few times it has grown on me, but as comedy relief. I thought the rest of their moments together worked very well. Their best was their first and last scenes together.
It's been fun, and the so have the movies.. by LHombreSiniestro	May 21st, 2005 06:10:29 PM
Luckily, I survived to see how the saga came to an end (as did we all). I realized that it wasn't the prequel trilogy I wanted to see at first and I was dissapointed,. But then I realized my notions of the prequels were promulgated through other interenet nerds with too much free time on their hands who shaped my minds of the prequels at such a young age. Now, all warts aside, I'm happy with the story of the Prequels. I'm a little less than enthused about the actual scripts (although SITH's writing is better). I'm the weird guy who likes Phantom Menace better than Clones, maybe its because the time leading up to MEnace was much more magical and fun than it was leading up to AOTC (which was more cynical). I didn't know the prequels were going to "suck" when MENACE came out, so I had huge expectations. I went through anti-Prequels phase about a year or so after, but I cant not lot Star Wars, its in my blood to love these movies. And I do. No matter how irritating some little things are, they're still fun movies. Well, except for Revenge of the Sith. But the first part is fun, and the rest (aside from a few of PAdme's lines and some other little things near the end) is just amazing. When the DUEL begins, I get chills. I've seen the movie twice, and I enjoyed it much better the 2nd time (the first time we had to settle for a theater with about 1/4 of the speakers out). But the best thing about these movies, is about how they rattled our imaginations before their release with so much fan speculation. Mentally I had 3 versions of each movie based on rumors and internet sources, and they were all good movies in my head. Just the excitement that led up to each movie, i wouldnt trade for anything. Thanks for the time Lucas, now get on Indy 4, the TV shows, and those artsy fartsy movies youre promising everyone.
Episode 3 can be played along with the new DMB album like Flyod/ by warp11	May 21st, 2005 06:13:25 PM
Episode 3 can be played along with the new DMB album like Floyd/The Wall! The new Dave Matthews album is in sync with Revenge of the Sith! Just like Pink Floyd
"The flannel one's inate greed will push him to the well again a by Liberty Valance	May 21st, 2005 06:13:53 PM
I never fail to be surprised by the hypocritical contempt and jealousy for those who are more successful than we could ever dream of being. If you or I owned a commodity as revered and lusted after by the general public as Star Wars we would milk it for as much as we could for as long as we could. You can never have enough money and anyone who claims otherwise is a godfucking liar. We are all whores for money. We work shitty jobs for asshole bosses with co-workers we despise for one reason and one reason only: MONEY. I don't care how much you have in the bank or how financially comfortable you are, if someone offers you more there ain't a person here who would turn it down. ROTS made $50 million on a fucking THURSDAY. So if you owned this franchise you wouldn't repeatedly cash in on that kind of demand, huh? BULL FUCKING SHIT. Spare me your idealistic ramblings about artistic integrity and being content with what you have. Get every penny you can, George, because every last fucking one of us would do the same thing in your place, even though they lack the balls to admit it. Fucking hypocrites.
Anyone who says the pacing was slow by Razorback	May 21st, 2005 06:15:12 PM
Needs to take their meds. The pacing was hyper-fast. Also, someone here said that the people giving the movie shit WANTED to like it... bullshit. I would guess that 90% of the people who are trashing the movie went in with the same predisposition as they have for the last two. To hate it. The funny thing is that if you look at the reviews for the movie and polled fan reactions, the movie is getting great support. The only place we see this kind of horseshit bashing is from a few critics and the usual Internet crowd. The general public has no idea that you people exist.
The flannel one's inate greed will push him to the well again an by warp11	May 21st, 2005 06:21:04 PM
The only reason this movie is making so much more money is because it's a better film than the previous prequels.
I still think Hayden looked way to skinny wearing that Darth Vad by Rolling_Stone	May 21st, 2005 06:32:01 PM

Star Wars, Magick, and Paganism by Henry Fool	May 21st, 2005 06:33:47 PM
I have a good friend whose currently living in Baghdad, Iraq, working on the reconstruction (or demolition, depending on how you look at it ;-). Anyway
There will be ONE more. by CatVutt	May 21st, 2005 06:35:15 PM
Just watch. George will 'suddenly' realize that he had one more bit of story to tell to wrap things up, and keeping in line with his whole 'one story' thing, he'll make one more film to push it to an even Seven, and claim that it was meant to be a 'Perfect Seven' chapters all along, like Rowling's doing with Potter. I'm telling you, we'll see an announcement within a few years at the most.
I don't like prequel haters. They're coarse and rough, and irrit by togmeister	May 21st, 2005 06:47:10 PM
ROTS owns. All the haters seem to be bashing this time is the 'Nooooooo' scene. If you have to beat the movie with a stick that limp, you know you're in trouble. ROTS lasts for 140 minutes, that line for 5 seconds. A million dollars minus a dollar is still a million dollars. Loved OB1's deadpan 'so uncivilized' as he throws the blaster away after capping Grievous, a nice counterpoint to the scene in Star Wars where he gives Luke the lightsaber ('not as clumsy or random as a blaster'). And Mcdiarmid snarling 'I AM the Senate!' was pimp. One thing i haven't seen discussed anywhere yet. Just after Anakin kills Dooku and releases the Chancellor, he says something like 'remember what you told me about your mother and the Sand People?'. I'm convinced that there's a Tusken Raider 'howl' on the soundtrack at that point. Anyone else catch that or is it just me?
Grandad Skywalker? by The Manic	May 21st, 2005 06:48:44 PM
During the scene at the opera house, where Palpatine is recounting the story of Darth Plageis, it seems to me that he's dropping heavy hints that he was responsible for creating Anakin. It's the part where he's talking about how a powerful enough master of the dark side could manipulate Midichloreans to create life. As he's saying this, Palps looks at Anakin, meaningfully. I was convinced ROTS was going to drop the bombshell of Palpatine ultimately being the one responsible for Anakin's birth (remember Shmi Skywalker telling Qui Gon that she fell pregnant without having concieved a child with anyone). And we didnt find out who Sifo Dyas was either, although I suppose it was obviously Dooku or Palpatine.
Yeah, about that movie... by zikade zarathos	May 21st, 2005 06:51:35 PM
it was pretty damn bad. The opening 10 minutes were nice enough, and Anakin reduced to a spitting, snarling, burnt-alive rabid-dog of a person was a great three-minutes, but the surrounding two-hours were abysmal in ways I didn't think possible. Every time someone opened their mouth, I could feel my good will evaporating. This is one of those times you just can't trust RottenTomatoes... if you actually READ those "good" reviews, most of 'em damn it with faint praise. "It didn't completely suck," is the overriding thought, and Ebert's "You don't go to see STAR WARS for witty dialogue or believable characterization" was the worst kind of critical rationalizing. He basically trashes it for eight paragraphs, then gives it three-and-a-half stars (as good as THE PIANIST or ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF A SPOTLESS MIND) for "creating and populating a world of his [Lucas's] own." Well then, I guess Henry Darger is the greatest novelist of all time. But we know that's not true. Creating the world isn't the hard part, creating believable characters is, and that's what matters. Escapism is escapism and should have a level of fun, but don't ask me to turn off my brain to enjoy it. All in all, I didn't like it, but I can't say I was disappointed -- for that to have happened, I would have to had to expect something more than what I got.
I saw the movie this afternoon by emeraldboy	May 21st, 2005 06:54:44 PM
this my review of the film With added thoughts..... This review contains spoilers. The Darth side of the Moon After watching Star Wars logo blast into outer space and see the scrawl which reads Episode three revenge of the sith, George Lucas drops us into Anakin and obi-wan's resuce mission for the kidnapped Senator Palpatine. Who has been kidnapped by General Grievous with the connivince of Count Dooku. Obi-wan senses a trap and of course he is right, but this not a trap laid by Grievious or Dooku, this was a trap laid by Palpatine/Darth Sidous, for one reason only: to allow sidious complete control of the Sith, after Dooku is killed by anakin, Palpatine vows to hunt down Greivious and destroy him. Obi-wan does this, which give palpatine time to unveil his grand plan to bring down the republic(which is crumbling anyway) and set up his own sith led facist empire. Mace Windu notices that Palpatine and Anakin are become more friendly and lets it be known, that he no longer trusts Anakin. But Obi-wan still does and there is a crucial, in which Yoda warns him that they have misread anakins prophecy. Obi-wan propells anakin further under the contol of Palpatine by having Anakin spy on the Sith, but Anakin is doing the opposite, ie he is spying on the Jedi Also noticing changes in Anakin is his wife Padme. Anakin is having dark dreams about what will happen to his wife, ie she dies after giving birth to Luke and Leia. Revenge of Sith looks spectacular and for that Lucas deserves full marks and indeed despite the awfulness of the previous movies, they at least looked good execpt that they were boring rubbish. The action sequences are fantastic and obi-wan and annakins final lightsabre battle is a glorious thing to behold set against the backdrop of the volcanic planet mustafar. Visually speaking then this film is alive with color, yet the clunking sound you hear through the movie is the screenplay, I know, I know, this is the movie where it all comes together, so in that way it is entrirely predictable, yet once again this movie proves that Lucas cant write dialouge to save his skin, the dialouge between Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman is wince inducing. There is only one actor on show here and that's Ian McDiarmid. Lucas' Palpatine creation will go down in history as one of the greatest villains in the history of Cinema, if not the greatest, watching McDiarmid as Palpatine is something to behold. On the one hand he wears a mask of benignity, that hides an utterly demonic face on the other. His performance pulls you in. Although Hayden Christensen has improved the angry scowl thing is not effective and the jury is still out on Natalie portman and has yet to come in any time soon. Lee and Jackson have nothing to do in this movie really except die horrible deaths. So all in all a visually spectacular film but in the final analyses this is a very empty film storywise. And while this movie will be a shoo-in for all the effects at the oscars next year dont expect to see Lucas at the podium for any of the writing awards. Just one other thing we are expected to believe that this is a young man with love, hate, anger and rage swirling around inside him but you wouldnt know that from Christensen's slightly wooden demeanour. The brillance of the originals remain and maybe lucas should not have returned to direct or at least given the writing job to someone else. Despite my annoyance of the dialouge and the blandness of the screenplay, lucas has made a scifi film leagues ahead and worlds apart from anything out there currently, we will never see its like again, so enjoy the thrill and spectacle. Star Wars episode Three gets 4/5.
Becoming one with the Force by F69	May 21st, 2005 06:55:06 PM
Okay, so Yoda has learnt from Qui-Gon how to become one with the force and communicate with the living. Obi-Wan learns how to do it and therefore talks to Luke even after he dies in the originals. So, at the end of Jedi we see Yoda, Obi-Wan and... Anakin?? When's Anakin surposed to have learned how to do this?
Whoop- I meant to add SPOLIER in big capital letters to that... by The Manic	May 21st, 2005 06:57:38 PM
Because, y'know that was the only part of the movie that neither I nor seemingly anyone else was expecting.
lol by Blair_jedi	May 21st, 2005 06:58:53 PM
One of the most funny things about these talkbacks is how some of the posters refer to the others is ways like "you people are fat and pale and never get laid" or "nobody in the world cares about what you people say on here" or "everyone on here is just a bunch of Internet nerds." While that may be true that some here are in fact like that, you are pretty much pointing the finger at yourself since you are posting here. It's almost as annoying to read that as the people who think that they're going to win some sort of a prize or something for posting in a thread first...
Novelization vs. Movie by Chewbroccoli	May 21st, 2005 07:10:04 PM
As people have said earlier, all that needed to be done to strengthen ROTS along with the AOTC/TPM was to spread the events of ROTS into AOTC.... When I read the ROTS novel, so much more was explained and the pacing was soooo much better. That is the main fault of ROTS. Points 'a' 'b' 'c' 'd' were all great, but the journey/pacing between was rushed and not fleshed out enough because too much was left to be crammed into ROTS. *** NOVEL: pages 76-77, 84-85 (1) * In the lightsaber duel between Anakin and Dooku, Sidious and Anakin have a post martem talk on right/wrong. Sidious, "Have you ever noticed that the Jedi way is not always the right way? It wasn't wrong, Anakin. It may be not the Jedi way, but it was right. Perfectly natural--he took your head; you wanted revenge. And your revenge was justice." The Sidious goes on to act as a fatherly conspirator w/ Anakin acknowledging that he would keep Anakin's secret of the murder of Dooku just like he kept the secret of the slaughter of the Tusken Raiders. * page 153 (2) * The motivation for putting Anakin to spy on Sidious in the movie was not clear. In the novel it is clear that the Council suspects that the Sith Lord might be influencing Palpatine. Mace, "It is possible that we may have to... move against Palpatine. If he is truely under the control of the Sith Lord, it may be the only way." * page 163-164 (3) * The mystery over Padme's pregnancy is fully explained in the novel. Upon first coming back to Coruscant, Padme says, "Five months--how could they do that to us?" ... and in there reunion there's the first inkling of what is later to come (Vader force choking Padme). 'He took her by the shoulders now, his hands hard and irresistibly powerful. "I can feel it in the Force! There is something coming between us-- Who is it? Who?" His hands sprang open as though she had burned them. He took an unsteady step backward, his face suddenly ashen. "Padme--I would never--I'm so sorry, I just-- * (4) * Then there's the same no special effects laden scenes in the novel which do so much to flesh out the characters and their motivations. Page 189-90, Sidious and Anakin, "Nonsense, Age is no measure of wisdom. They keep you off the Council because it is there last hold they have on you, Anakin; it is how the control you. Once you're a Master, as you deserve, how will they make you do their bidding... You are not like them. You are younger. Stronger. Better. That is why they keep you down. They fear your power. They fear you." And oh so important is the exchange on page 191 between Anakin and Sidious, "This imaginary Sith Lord of theirs--even if he does exist, is he anyone to be feared? To be hunted down and exterminated without trial?" This directly sets up the Mace/Anakin/Sidious scene later and helps provide some insight into Anakin's mind at that juncture. Also, Sidious says that he would try and talk to the Dark Lord and see if he had any power to stop the war. Then perfectly paralleled on page 212 between Anakin and Obi-wan, "I would ask [the Sith Lord] if he has any power to save Padme * (5) * what happened to the formation of the Rebellion! page 204-206 with Mon Mothma, etc. * (6) pages 217-221 * actual good dialogue and human interaction between Anakin and Padme * Of course there's a lot more examples, I only highlighted a few from the first half of the novel. * (7) * There the Palpatine / Sidious transformation on pages 331 - 341 which explains why Sidious couldn't stop the force lightning, the mask of Palpatine and illustrates the final turn/acceptance to the dark side. * page 392 (8) * and what happened to these few simple lines of dialogue prior to the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel: Anakin "Nothing will happen. Nothing can happen. Let Palpatine call himself Emperor. Let him. He can do the dirty work, all the messy, brutal oppression it'll take to unite the galaxy forever--unite it against him. He'll make himself into the most hated man in history. And when the time is right, we'll throw him down--" or when Anakin realized Obi-Wan was a stow-away, Anakin "Palpatine was right. Sometimes it is the closest who cannot see. I loved you too much, Padme." "You turned her against me" * page 405-406 (9) * there is no mention of Obi-Wan having the high ground in the duel. It is just played out without the silly line of dialogue. *** and finally, the last one I will highlight is with the construction of Darth Vader and the suit, page 417 'And you rage and scream and reach throught the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.'
I'm waiting for Georgie's changes... by mangotree	May 21st, 2005 07:11:30 PM
...in about ten years time, when technology has moved on and Mr Lucas decides he 'couldn't quite tell the story he wanted with the technology at the time' and decides to release a 'special edition ROTS' where Padme' gives birth to black twins cause Mace is now the father, a digitally added scene of Anakin's cock getting fried and Grievous shoots first...
Bush's Empire by DarthBen	May 21st, 2005 07:13:10 PM
I loved ROTS. It's not perfect (Empire is still the perfect SW film) but I think it may wind up being my favorite. That said, was anybody else out there bothered by the pretty blatant Bush Bashing in ROTS? Don't get me wrong, I'm a progressive guy, I didn't vote for the sitting prez. But I didn't stand in line on Wednesday night to see Faranheit 911. I went to see Star Wars. Think about this: Since Lucas began writing the SAGA in the early 70s, he has seen 6 or 7 sitting presidents, each with their own crisises and policies. Is Bush really so important that Lucas felt he had to end a 30-year filmmaking journey, perhaps the most beloved film franchise ever, with what really amounted to some pretty pithy snipes at Bush (If you're not with me, you're my enemy; This war represents a failure to listen; This is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause)? I just felt it was innapropriate to do that in a film like Star Wars. How many of those SW fans voted for Bush? Lucas didn't need to pander to Michael Moore, he needed to entertain us all.
didnt work by Fortunesfool	May 21st, 2005 07:14:06 PM
Tried to shoehorn in so much into too little space. This film should have run over 3 films. Like Bail Organa gets about 5 mins screen time over 2 films but Obi Wan just lets him take a kid..cause he says he wants one. He needed to be a character. we needed to want him to take the child. So much stuff like this was glossed over to make room for some souless,unexciting CGI chase like Obi-wan and Grevious. All the blame falls at Lucas and Rick (yes George) Macallum. Bad writing and storytelling all the way. All the cgi in the world can't hide it.....Oh and why does no one ask why Princess Leia is a princess when her adopted parents aren't royalty and she isnt married to royalty???
Sorry LameAss haters..... you've lost this round.... by Plazola_MEX	May 21st, 2005 07:16:36 PM
An you've lost the war. This movie kicks some fucking ass, the thing here is that you haters have no valid points to hate the movie or the entire saga. The movie is great, critics love it, and it broke a box office record. So stop your pointless posts, they are useless. Are you fans of LOTR? Most of the haters are.... because their lameful saga was second. Yes, that's their envy. LOTR was second and Star Wars was first. All who hits first, hits twice. So fuck you haters... you are lost, u don't have a life.
by thank the cows	May 21st, 2005 07:20:17 PM
AWWW, i lost my copy and paste... damn Anyway, saw it friday, yes i'm a fan. it was good. and i liked the way the story moved along quickly and explained everything. still , the turn was so sorely lacking... i mean, come'on, slap the guy , make him do something other than woos out and say yes master. han had a big black nasty thing with needles and stuff facing him. i know he was leaning, so back off... it just didn't play out quite to well, but it did get the essence out.... so history may show this better than now. if i'm not mistaken, stories are handed down over time and take on a mystery and auroa of other worldness. I wish i could be 12 again and see this, but oh well. it kind a was good/great/cool. I agree EP1&2 should have been combined. Thought that immediately after seeing this, with this story spread out, especially considering the last few minutes to wrap up everyting tidy-like. Oh well. Shakesphere had his day and maybe Lucas will too, with the help of re-telling of the stories. ! Yeah !
Well, that was a waste of time... by PaddyO'Neill	May 21st, 2005 07:31:49 PM
Just like the previous two movies in the Star Wars prequel trilogy. Not only do we now have these three terrible, pointless, contradiction laden movies in existence, but by mere association of name alone, the original Star Wars trilogy is now actually WORSE! I wish George Lucas hadn't bothered coming up with Star Wars at all in the first place now. If you can't do something right, George, don't do it at all, as my old da used to say.
Maybe I'm just a bit slow... by F69	May 21st, 2005 07:35:07 PM
But can anyone tell me what's up with this? http://www.writestuffautograph s.com/shop/images/products/fil m183.jpg
Revenge of the Sith kicked even more ass the fourth time I saw i by Atticus Finch	May 21st, 2005 07:36:44 PM
Read several posts at different sites with haters who said something to the effect of "Yeah, I saw it for the third time and it still sucked", as most of them probably have.
Sorry, I meant this... by F69	May 21st, 2005 07:36:46 PM
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Mr Miracle by napalm68	May 21st, 2005 07:42:04 PM
Heh, yeah, I agree. What should he have said instead? "MOTHER-F##KER!"; "Ahhhhhh! F#CK ME!!!!!!!!!!!!"
by JohnnyA	May 21st, 2005 07:48:00 PM
I was very bored by the Obi-Wan/Grevious chase scene. There was no excitement to it at all. Best scene of the film imo, was the Opera scene. Palpatine owns it, and the deep bass noises coming from the Opera are so forboding that it gave me goosebumps.
I don't give a shit what anyone says by opa-opa	May 21st, 2005 07:49:28 PM
This movie sucked. It didn't evoke even 1% of the emotional response in me that LOTR did. I'm just fucking glad it's over and we never have to see another piece of Lucas-turd ever again.
Yes, because it's not like idiots won't pay money to see terribl by PaddyO'Neill	May 21st, 2005 07:55:14 PM
And there are a LOT of idiots to go around in America...
Haw Haw! by Shawn F.	May 21st, 2005 07:58:42 PM
This movie was great fun. Haters, not only do I hope that Lucas has raped your childhood yet again, but I also hope he wiped his dick on your mother's curtains after he's taken it out of your whiny asses.
Are People Still Talking LOTR? by InZodWeTrust	May 21st, 2005 08:04:42 PM
Jeez, I remember the last 20 minutes of false endings during Return of the King. I just wanted it to be over. I wanted so much more (in a good way) after Sith ended... I fackin' loved it this way and that. I will be seeing this multiple times.
Once was MORE than enough thanks! by PaddyO'Neill	May 21st, 2005 08:04:58 PM
And I only went that once because my mates insisted and I was still morbidly curious about it. Then again, I'm occasionally morbidly curious about being rammed in the anus, but somehow manage to resist that experience, so I'm sure I'll resist going to see this tripe again.
film to book by Electric_Monk	May 21st, 2005 08:05:29 PM
Someone once said that what you see on the screen is canon and in the books fiction. With that in mind, in the novelization of Sith, Palpatine reveals he is the apprentice that kills his master, Darth Plagueis just before Anakin catches on that he's Darth Sidous. And its more than obvious that Palatine influenced the midi-chlorians to "create" Anakin. As for Pamd
"...but I also hope he wiped his dick on your mother's curtains by InZodWeTrust	May 21st, 2005 08:07:00 PM
Shawn, there's a better method... Squeeze the ass cheeks together as you withdraw... At least YOU'LL be squeaky clean.
I really liked it, but I wanted more... by The Heathen	May 21st, 2005 08:16:45 PM
and don't we always? The attack onn the second death star was better to me because it felt like everyone was involved. I wish there was some more filler dog fight scenes, just to help with the scale of the battle. I wanted more grit in the lightsaber fights, and they could have been longer too. Kit Fisto should have held out just a second longer. The score should have picked up more when Mace is about to kill Palpatine like in ROTJ when Vader was contemplating whether to help Luke or not. The Jedi could have lasted longer when they were turned on, or 'sensed' a disturbence in the force. That's just a long time fans rant. But I can say that this is the first prequel that I've wanted to find out about everthing that went on in the background. Al the Baron Papanoida, Mon Mothma and the formation of the Rebels, Qui-Gon teaching Yoda, and so on. So overall I really liked it. In typical AICN fashion I want to close by saying that anyone that thinks having Johnny Knoxville play Han Solo in a 'remade' trilogy should never reproduce or give advice or exist for that matter - sorry. That's all...move along.
Knoxville was a Joke by InZodWeTrust	May 21st, 2005 08:22:56 PM
I was kidding on that, but not about Hayden palying Luke. Lucas WILL finally remake the OT, just wait. He has some wierd hatred for the OT, and the only way he'll be happy is by redoing them completely.
Misread Ebert's Comments Have Been by EvilPaul	May 21st, 2005 08:25:20 PM
He said Fox will definitely put "enourmous pressure" on Lucas and his "deputies" to continue the films. He did not say Fox would make them themselves. I have no problem believing Fox executives will do their best to convince Lucas and his apprentices into doing another trilogy.
Hmm... by PaddyO'Neill	May 21st, 2005 08:36:28 PM
"uh, perhaps you should seek professional help?" Are you somehow suggesting that homosexuals automatically need psychiatric help?
Novelization vs Movie by OwnedbyGeorge	May 21st, 2005 08:38:21 PM
Chewbroccoli at length went into the differences between the book vs the movie, implying the book was somehow better. Oddly, every scene he discusses is in the film, and the dialog quoted is thematicly the same, and often, the last sentence (the summation of dialog or scene) is identical to what appears in the film. More dialog is not better dialog. Palpatine in the film DOES have a conversation with Anikin saying his revenge is justified. Palpatine DOES reveal he know's of the Tuscan Raider slaughter. The Jedi Counsil Does explain their motivation for having Anikin spy on Palpapine. Anikin DOES accuse Obi of turning Padme against him. The additional dialog in the book is not only implied in the film, but would be redundant if included. It's only in the book to fill pages devoid of images. The films dialog is pointed and Concise, not Bad. And Obi Won having the higher ground and saying is not "silly", but poetic. Rich complex visuals with clear, to the point dialog anyone from any nation or background can comprehend. Do you dialog-haters actually want longer, boring speeches?
Just saw it by tiredpm	May 21st, 2005 08:42:21 PM
Thought it was awful. Just awful. Only moment that I liked was after the helmet dropped on Vader's head, there was the first breath. And then he screamed, "Noooooo!" And, officially, Star Wars is done for me. That was it. Done. I will always love the OT, but I'm going to pretend that the prequels never happened. They have only taken away from what was a great trilogy of movies. I don't own any of the preqeuls and I will not ever buy any of the prequels. I'm just numb at the sheer awfulness of Phantom Menace, AOTC and ROTS. I really wish they had never gone back. Mr. Lucas, thanks for your original vision, it was a tremendous influence on my life: I can't agree with any of your choices since the relase of ROTJ, and I'm now stepping away. Good luck, and I hope you leave Star Wars alone from this point on.
I've just got back from my second viewing by John-Locke	May 21st, 2005 08:45:08 PM
And the film holds up okay to repeat viewings, however knowing what was to come did leave me waiting for the next action scene at times. My favourite bit out of the whole thing was General Grevious's Uni-Cycle Gyro thingy, brought a huge smile to my face every time it was on screen or did something or made a sound, man that thing looked cool, Where can I get one?. As for what I would have liked to have been better/different, well I don't like the Droid doctor "she's lost the will to live" shit, To me it looked like Vader did more than just Force Choke her, it looked like he drained her life. I also didn't like Thunderbird Puppet looking Vader construction or the Frankenstein movement, Vader first words "whats happened to Padme?" Just sounds plain Wrong Wrong Wrong. And the Noooooooo was probably the overall worst moment in the movie. Not seeing Qui Gon got me pissed first time around but I've got over it, maybe it would have been a bit too much. Overall I love the film and Lucas has done a very good job,especially considering that the publics expectations were so high and the overall difficulty of Bridging a gap between the other 2 prequels and a film made almost 30 years ago. Whilst viewing "A New Hope" on Thursday night I found myself watching with fresh eyes, Vader vs Obi Wan meant more to me than it had ever meant before. Also most of the additional CGI added in 97 worked very well to disguise the movies age and keep the continuity. I can't wait to see what Lucas comes up with for the TV series? Fringe characters eh?
i saw UNLEASHED before this and thought it was a better film by fried samurai	May 21st, 2005 08:47:47 PM
I watched this right after UNLEASHED which i thought was a pretty cool little flick.ROTS wasnt as bad as people make it out to be,in fact it was head and shoulders above the first two prequels which isnt really saying much.I dont see how people can call this a masterpiece though, that should be reserved for films like RAGING BULL.Just my opinion...peace
Doesn't George have test screenings? by IMMORTAL-1	May 21st, 2005 08:51:39 PM
Maybe instead of having screenings for celebrities Lucas should have test screenings for his audience? It seems there is such a clear consensus and where certain elements fell short. Sounds like the novels did tell a more complete story and I wouldn't be surprised if the DVD with additional scenes is more satisfying.
Dicks, pussies and assholes... by ejcarter9	May 21st, 2005 08:52:03 PM
There are a bunch of assholes here who just want to shit on everything. What? This is what? Ain't it cool news? Oh, right, yeah, the assholes are here. The pussies are on Fark. Don't mind me, I'm just being a dick. ...assholes.
test screenings by OwnedbyGeorge	May 21st, 2005 09:07:12 PM
All films should not be made by audience consensus. Leave that to Ron Howard and Brian Grazier who make popular crap like Apollo 13 and the Grinch with the help of many audience test screenings. Lucas should be applauded for making popular ART and telling a compelling story in his own UNIQUE fashion. His films cannot be immitated and are truly beyond compare.
OwnedbyGeorge by Chewbroccoli	May 21st, 2005 09:08:48 PM
I thought certain scenes were better executed in text than on screen. The main point I was trying to convey was that the pacing was off in the movie. As I said earlier, "points 'a' 'b' 'c' 'd' were all great, but the journey/pacing between was rushed and not fleshed out enough because too much was left to be crammed into ROTS." I liked ROTS, just felt that it was hurt by poor planning of the prior two movies. ROTS felt like a 3-4 hour long story compressed into 2 hrs 20 minutes.
Palpatine has a Jack Nicholson JOKER moment when he is dangling by George Newman	May 21st, 2005 09:15:14 PM
He looked down and laughs at yoda, "Hee hee!--Whoa!" as he almost slips. I laughed
Damn Fuck ROTS is Awesome by solidbb	May 21st, 2005 09:18:17 PM
I am sick of the people on this site talking smack about ROTS. This movie was the best of all 6. I keep hearing this crap about "the acting is wooden" and "the dialogue is bad". Okay, if you are going to insult it at least don't use the same lines I've already read from every other person hating on this movie. Also, would someone explain to me how A New Hope's dialogue was supposed to be so much better than ROTS. Back to my original point. Great battles, great FX, really good story, and yes-good acting make a freaking awesome movie; not to mention that it tied everything together as best as I could have hoped for. George Lucas by making ROTS has now gained what Anakin obtained in ROTJ, Redemption.
The force is strong by Sro100	May 21st, 2005 09:19:50 PM
Awesome experience.
Did anyone else find the name "Order 66" a tad contrived? by Boris the Blade	May 21st, 2005 09:21:56 PM
C'mon, just throw on the other 6 why doncha? We all know it's de ultimate eeeeevil....sigh.
pensive and contemplative, this film has left me... by howudoinchewbaca	May 21st, 2005 09:22:39 PM
GOOOOOOD! Who cares about the rest...palpatine is worth the price of admission.
Not a religious point of view? by howudoinchewbaca	May 21st, 2005 09:28:31 PM
Why is homosexuality so prevalent in the animal kingdom if sex is only meant for procreation?
Winner Of The Coveted Fist Of Fiore Award For 2005 by Big Goozoo	May 21st, 2005 09:28:40 PM
That should shut up the naysayers. How dare you mock the Fist?
is there a diff between the film and DLP versions? by ComputerGuy68	May 21st, 2005 09:30:17 PM

Chew by OwnedbyGeorge	May 21st, 2005 09:30:31 PM
Yes. I agree some of ROTS could have been included in Clones, both films would have benefited. I'll get in trouble saying this, but Menace is perfect as is. It's a great introduction to a nine year old boy and a fairy-tale galaxy filled with princesses and knights and creatures, all living a naive existence. There's an innocense to it all that perfectly sets up the treachery to come. The increasingly frantic pacing of Clones and now Sith dramatically set up a New Hope. I was left exhausted after ROTS, and watching not only Anikin, but the whole Jedi order and really the entire universe implode...what better way to draw focus, and let us breath a bit, as we narrow it down to meet this kid trapped on this little moisture farm, unaware of this giant fractured universe. But yeah, it was a lot of movie to pack into two and a half hours.
if they're gonna do anymore of these.... by northstarr	May 21st, 2005 09:35:09 PM
Why doesn't Lucas just produce the darn things and let a more "legit" director take the reins. (not a chance, I'm sure) Frank Darabont or Ridley Scott maybe?
http://www.talkorigins.org/index cc/CB/CB403.html by howudoinchewbaca	May 21st, 2005 09:41:17 PM

"This is supposed to be the most horrible man in the Galaxy...no by BuggerOff	May 21st, 2005 09:43:48 PM
Uhh...so how do horrible men become horrible men? Before your knees jerk, think about your response...
Luke Warmwater by Kilroy	May 21st, 2005 09:47:26 PM
Like anything Lucas has backed since "Raiders", I have mixed emotions. I have to say that when the end credits rolled, I was feeling pretty good about the film. I can not excuse some awful missteps but the overall impact was strong, dramatic and refreshingly adult. The missteps are plenty: The reason Anakin turns to the dark side is limp and abrupt. He so believes a dream he's having about Padme's death that he can be talked into killing children? Huh? It needs a lot more finessing than that and Lucas wasted his time and our by vomiting on four hours of prequel time (Menace/Clones) and not trying to plant the right seeds for this story point. The Jedi being killed off should be a centerpiece. This is the mother of all betrayals in the saga. It's handled in a flurry of activity with no personal touches to make it affecting. The emperor looked positively silly in the latex makeup. He desperately needs that hood to hide that prosthetic work. (the lighting was all wrong too - How about a few shadows to give him a little mystery?? He looked lit by headlights. Tattersal sucks) There's a stretch about twenty minutes into the film (after Palpatine is rescued) that plods along. People talk about doing something in a few minutes and then we see them go and do the thing they talked about doing a few minutes ago. It was so weak. The lightsaber battles were unclear, cluttered and lacked basic structure. The fight choregraher on 'Sith' tsked about the light saber duels in Episodes IV, V and VI but at least they felt emotional and you could follow them. I hate the lizard Obi Wan travels around on. It doesn't feel 'Star Wars', more like some dime store science fiction novel. (there used to be a difference between the two) And of course, Vader's lame few lines at the end and him stumbling off the medical table. It's so undignified and unintentionally funny. This is what you had us wait two and a half movies for?? Lucas is so out of touch that he must now rely on everyone to keep him from stabbing the series in the back. With all of that said, I still enjoyed much of it. I remember hating 'Menace' and thinking 'Clones' was talky and boring. I didn't feel nearly as let down as I did then. I know I liked the movie better Thursday night but things are nagging on me now and are keeping me from respecting a lot of the approach Lucas took.
Palpatine looked like the old guy in "Nothing But Trouble" by Billy Ho	May 21st, 2005 09:50:19 PM
and it made me laugh, like lots of other parts in the movie.
"NOOOOOOOO" would've been fine if it had been delivered properly by Billy Ho	May 21st, 2005 09:57:47 PM
I can deal with the other cheesy lines and acting, its a SW flick. But this should've been a classic, tragic moment in cinematic history. Instead, it looked like it was from "Spaceballs" (like a few scenes, honestly). Huge disappointment. I hope that shit gets fixed by the DVD release. I'm kinda expecting it to.
Faustian fun! by whatwouldjossdo	May 21st, 2005 10:00:50 PM
Loved the film. Made me squirt man tears. Saw with my friends, as should always be. As per the Vader scream: any Faustian interpretation MUST include that NOOOO. Ani made a pact with the devil, went to hell to see it through, and ended up losing and trapped in slavery forever. Dope.
Not a hater by kilerb	May 21st, 2005 10:05:41 PM
I'm not a hater, and I've been looking forward to this movie for a couple years. I love all the Star Wars movies. I will say that anyone that says ROTS is the best of the 6 does not share the same opinion as myself. I defend 1 and 2 conatantly. Jar Jar doesn't bother me. He was put in the movie TO bother everyone he's around. That's why he's there most of the time. And to make a big mistake in the senate. But that's secondary. Anyway, about Episode III... This is why I didn't LOVE LOVE LOVE it. When you finish a story in the middle, you are going to lose a lot of the mystery to the film. There was not one battle that we all did not know what was going to happen to some degree. We know Yoda won't die. We know Palpatine won't die. We know Obi Wan won't die or be hurt. It's cool to watch, but we've all seen about 10 light saber battles now. So now we have to watch about 3 or 4 more annnnnnnnnnnnd we know how it's going to end before it even begins. Don't get me wrong, I still appreciate the entertainment value of the visuals and everything that is cool about the movie. BUT, there were only a couple of things that really made me go "Ahhhhhh... That's why that is..." For example the rumors that Anakin went around and hunted down all the Jedi. Nope, mostly the clones did that work. I do have a question for someone that may know the answer. It seemed that in Episodes 1 and 2, when they showed Darth Sideous on the holographic images, he was ugly and disfigured. My friend thinks that he was always that way, and the whole battle against Mace was an act to get Anakin to turn. He used this as an excuse to explain his actual hideous look and the senators look was really a cover up. He thinks he's very very old. Is this true?
Lukewarm by OwnedbyGeorge	May 21st, 2005 10:06:53 PM
I think being snatched away from your mother by a wierd religious cult at age 9 only to have her kidnapped and killed in your absence, resulting in mass revenge killing...seems like well planted seeds. His "abrupt" turn started then...continued when he confronts Dooku. He's smart enough to realize very quickly he has no option than to bow to Sidious. And what dignified words would you have Vader say just after being made into this monster? I think his "lame few lines" punctuate the tradgedy and are echoed in Padmes final words.
At least it was better than Crapisode 1 and 2. by matthooper8	May 21st, 2005 10:18:36 PM
Not by much though. Ewan is the only good thing in any of the movies except for Liam in Crapisode 1. The annoying factor thankfully was turned way down though. No whining 8 yearr old, no horrible Jar-Jar, no unfunny 3PO. This one was just bad dialogue, bad acting and plot holes to run a mac truck through. A few good moments, more than in the other two crapfests. Still dissapointing but not horrible. What was with Grievus? He was not the kick ass he was in Clone Wars. The Vader scream was pretty bad. Anakin turns to the dark side to save his wife, he kills children for heavens sake. Basically the reason for him turning bad was to save her. However, Palpatine does not come through for Anakin, and all Vader does is scream. Then he will spend the next 20 years by Palpatine's side. RIGHT! What a joke. Why oh why didn't Lucas hire a screenwriter beyond a 6th grade level.
Re: Matthooper Crapisode 1 and 2. by kilerb	May 21st, 2005 10:24:19 PM
Ummmm, I don't in his eyes Palpatine failed him. In his eyes, he killed Padame. That's why he blames himself and becomes the REAL asshole we all love in 4, 5, and 6. Come on guys, don't bash before thinking things out a little bit okay?
Re: Spiderman by kilerb	May 21st, 2005 10:32:33 PM
I've seen Spiderman 1 and 2 in the theaters. I own both on DVD and watched them both pretty recently... I think they're both really good. Well made movies. Not at all boring.
No one cares? Nearly 100million in just two days by Orionsangels	May 21st, 2005 10:38:52 PM
Star Wars owns and your little boring sleepy theater rant won't change a damn thing, haha!
Sin City by kilerb	May 21st, 2005 10:38:56 PM
There was no way you could be wrong about your prediction. Just by looking at the last star wars openings you would've been right? That's like me saying McDonalds down the Street is guaranteed to sell at least 10 Big Macs today! YOU SEE!!! I'm a genius! They sold 256 Big Macs! Come on now... Don't make predictions that everyone knows will come to be and act like you're a jedi yourself! LOL
The summer season finally starts! after garbage like hitchikers by Orionsangels	May 21st, 2005 10:40:33 PM
Thos flopping movies were funny. Star Wars saves the summer!
Yep. AICN is officially overrun with impatient, stupid teenagers by ZeroCorpse	May 21st, 2005 10:41:33 PM
who wouldn't recognize homages to literature and classic film if they were labelled clearly. They don't get any of the philosophical or psychological points, either (like "balance in the force" meaning the ellimination of BOTH the Jedi Order's monastic moral absolutes and the Sith's unchecked greed and selfishness, or the ideals of codependence). EVERY "plot hole" has been addressed in the series, and it only takes a keen eye to spot the answers that make these "holes" go away. It's clear that half the people here are either inexperienced, impatient kids, adults with ADD, or just plain stupid. I miss the old days of AICN when there weren't near as many trolls to ruin the experience.
lets be realistic by jahardman	May 21st, 2005 10:45:20 PM
Listen, I'm a fan - i'm not going to list my qualifications here... becuase I think visting this website and posting on talkback is evidence enough! Listen, I'm a fan - i'm not going to list my qualifications here... because I think visiting this website and posting on talkback is evidence enough! Anyway. Here is my opinion on a number of threads here 1.) inconstancies from the original trilogy (i.e obiwan not recognizing the droids)... so what; you just have to accept some of those. Actually I thought ROTS's major strength was trying to all together well. 2.) repeated viewing make it better. I agree with this; having seen it twice now. I think the reason is that upon repeated viewings you associate the film more with TOS, and less with the first two terrible films. Thus, any emotional impact that you feel is generated 'retro actively' and does not build at all from phantom or AOTC. 3.) Reason for anakins turn. Although I agree that its a clever narrative twist having the reason for the turn be a 'good' one. It dosen't really gel well with what we know of the dark side. Frankly I would have bought luke turning to the dark side at the end of jedi more than I was convinced of anakins turn. On this score I think there is partly acting to blame, but I think its mostly script problems. SO much wasted time in the first two, and characterizations that don't build to anything. i.e Anakin
Obi-Wan left Anakin limbless and waddling around like a baby sea by Orionsangels	May 21st, 2005 10:47:30 PM

Powermetal, you're a complete dumbass by zikade zarathos	May 21st, 2005 10:49:05 PM
Homosexual behavior happens in nature all the time, and it should take anyone a few seconds on Google to prove (here's ONE such example, there's hundreds more -- ... A recent recipient of the Nobel Prize won it for their investigative research about homosexual, NECROPHILIAC behavior in ducks and other animals .... (http://education.guardian.co. uk/higher/research/story/0,986 5,1432991,00.html) ... Nature is filled to the brim with bizarre sexual stories, but all of this isn't even the point. You can't look to nature for rules on how to live in modern society. If so, I could pick any animal at random and say, let's live like that! Let's have females eat the males immediately after intercourse! Let's abandon our children in the woods three days after delivery! Let's eat our weaker offspring and kill the ones who get too strong! See my point? Read a book before you come in here and start gay-bashing, moron.
Well said Mr Zero guy, I think we should over throw these teen k by Orionsangels	May 21st, 2005 10:49:34 PM

And another thing... by zikade zarathos	May 21st, 2005 10:50:43 PM
By your logic, males and females who, due to medical problems can't have children, are also living in sin. Our when a guy has anal sex with a woman. Or... you get my drift.
I have a solution to the Vader "NOOOOOOOO" scream. When you get by Orionsangels	May 21st, 2005 10:51:25 PM

Who was that Jedi chick? by John Anderton	May 21st, 2005 10:55:51 PM
You guys know the one... the "Jabba Slave Girl" Jedi chick, wearing leather straps, that gets shot in the back by the Clone Troopers. We see her for about 10 seconds, but damn, she gave Padme a run for her money in the bone-o-meter department. Cen't wait to get a few screencaps from a Blue Ray DVD. // Oh, and about the movie - I liked it. It was better than the first two prequels and was almost on par with "Jedi." However, I can't help but think that this prequel trilogy should have gone a lot differently with the plot and characters. Lucas has been quoted as saying that when he did the treatment for the prequels, that 60% of what he wrote ended up in "Sith" and the other 40% was divided between "Menace" and "Clones." Basically what happened was that Menace and Clones had to be padded out with a bunch of filler (characters, events, etc.) while Sith got crammed. What should have happened was a 33/33/34 proposition between all the prequel movies. I am thinking the Wookies should have been introduced in the 2nd film, or perhaps the first film and used instead of the Gungans and developed them as a more tragic race, making them being wiped out in "Sith" all the more gut wrenching. Jar Jar should have been a sort of outcast rogue, similar to Solo or Lando. He could have kept his comedic atributes, but tempered them with a kind of malaise or melancholy. That's the kind character Binks should have been. Darth Maul should have survived Menace, providing the "Good Guys" with more of a constant, fleshed out, "in-your-face" threat that the prequels lacked. We should have SEEN Qui Gon's ghost instead of being told about him. etc. etc. // I do believe a lot of things were done excellently over the course of the trilogy, namely Palpatine's rise to power. Man, who didn't get chills while Palpatine related the story about the Sith master to Anakin at the "opera"? The look on the man's face made one believe he was talking about slaying his own master in his sleep. Creepy. I truly felt a sense of loss as the Jedi were being gunned down, but could have felt more if the "better side" of the Jedi Order was fleshed out better in the previous 2 flicks - the compassion and justice "central to a Jedi's life." We saw precious little of that in the preceeding two movies. Loved how Lucas incorporated more than just humans into the Jedi Order. There's a multi-cultural aspect to Lucas' films that I appreciate. // So, all that in mind, I'd rate the movies in the following way: Empire - 8.5, Star Wars - 8.0, Jedi/Sith - 7.7, Clones - 7.0, Menace - 6.1 (barely passing).
the flaw i see that no one else has mentioned.... by JohnGalt2005	May 21st, 2005 11:01:43 PM
George Lucas has made this world too big. Outside all those huge windows are thousands, hell millions, of ships and transports wizzing about. They never stop. Do they have any idea what the hell's going inside these rooms and on these spaceships? Even at the critical moment in ROTS, when it feels like the whole world should have stopped with the weight of what's happening, those transports are still zipping back and forth. The Republic has fallen, Empire has risen, and the Jedi are slaughtered. One question--has anyone bothered to tell the people outside?
http://darthno.ytmnd.com/ Copy & paste this link. Funny ROTS by Tall_Boy	May 21st, 2005 11:16:42 PM
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Palpatine = Karl Rove by Rant Breath	May 21st, 2005 11:28:13 PM
Yoda = Ralph Nader. They both went into exile from powerful forces for the sake of values.
turn by Nomad817	May 21st, 2005 11:29:34 PM
I was thinking it would have been better if Padme had a real threat of death, rather than just a dream vision, like maybe he has the dreams but then eventually she really does have problems and falls into a coma, then he would have more of a sense of urgency in saving the emperor and it would have made you feel for him a little more. I don't know I guess it would goof it up later taking her out of critical parts, but he could still be made to think her death was his fault some way. I really liked it overall and I bought his turn with all the fear of death and just being a punk with emotional control problems anyway, and just wanting to be more than normal jedi and beleiving his own hype, but there could have been more fear/urgency added to where he had to do something
mixed emotions by NeoDurden	May 21st, 2005 11:32:07 PM
When I first walked out of the theatre upon seeing ROTS there were only three scenes that jumped out in my mind as horrible. The first scene was Anikin and Padme's "You're so beutiful" scene. How can great actors let Lucas get away with such bad dialouge in three consecutive films? Every other romantic scene worked though and was much better than AOTC. The second bad scene came much later during Anikin and Obi's fight. I thought the fight scene went on too long when they began fighting on the floating platforms. That was uneccesary and the special effects there did not look too great. There was also some bad dialouge in this scene as well. "From my point of view it is the jedi who are wrong!" The third scene of course is the already infamous "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene with Vader. As soon as that scene happened I could have swore I heard the sound of a million fanboys cringing at once. I agree with another post on here that that could be one of the worst mistakes in film history. Lucas does not seem to know the meaning of the word subtlety and seems to think that the viewers are idiots at times. Doesn't he know that emotion and even silence can explain things better and have more impact than line after line of dialouge? Supposed problems that other fans have pointed out I don't have a problem with. I thought Grevious was awesome and I don't think the coughing had to be explained. I did not think that Grevious was a wuss, simply that he had met his match fighting against Obi and Anikin. I thought the acting overall was ten times better from both Anikin and Padme and the pacing was much better than in AOTC. Also, I think Grevious and the Wookies were neccesary in the film because they were part of the reason that Yoda and Obi were able to survive. Also, i thought Hayden's performance was simply awesome and he did a great job showing his turn to the darkside. To me, it was beleivable. Highlights from the film for me were the entire first scene, the killing off of the Jedi,Yoda's battle with the Emporer in the Senate and Padme's confrontation with Anikin on the lava planet. As for comments about the prequal trilogy as a whole. After first viewing ROTS, I instantly thought it was the best of the prequals. However, the more I think about it I actually think one could argue now that Phantom Menace is the best of the PT - as funny as that may sound. Overall, I think Phantom Menace has the best story and the best villian in Darth Maul. Some have argued that Maul was wasted and was not on screen enough, however, isn't that why we all love Boba Fett so much? He was cool and mysterious, just like Maul. AOTC is simply horrible except for the Yoda fight scene with Tyranus and seems to have no real narrative - just a bunch of random stuff happening that is either ridiculous or forgetable and way too much political talk. Right now though, I have to give props to ROTS. The good outweighs the bad. Though, i think that the PT has sadly tainted the OT.
Powermetal1 by JTBKSC	May 21st, 2005 11:34:14 PM
You seem to have a fixation on homosexuality. What's that all about? You're a muscle-bound giant of a man, aren't you? P.S. "Power Metal" sucks. So do the Broncos.
yeah... but it still sucked. by Russman	May 21st, 2005 11:35:42 PM

ROTS: SHOWGIRLS IN OUTERSPACE sans THE TITIES and GINA GERSHON!! by MentallyMariah	May 21st, 2005 11:37:52 PM
Hayden Christianson = Elizabeth Berklery...This movie was just plain awful, Burnt Grilled CHEESE made with Velveeta! At least the old Star Wars were good cheesy fun, everyone in this one takes themselves too seriously! Gawd, Natalie Portman looked like she was over it, her acting was like "Thank God This is the final one, let me just make this line delivery and I can go home.." There were more laughs in this one then Kung Fu Hustle, unintentional laughther that is...I saw it twice, thinking maybe the 2nd time I would like it, but nah, it's a piece of high tech garbage then people are deluding themselves into liking...I cannot belive the postive reviews for this one...PAINFUL!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! cheesiest moment in movie history!!
The 2 by Darth Maui	May 21st, 2005 11:38:11 PM
Addition? I think the word Harry is looking for is "edition."
The 2 by Darth Maui	May 21st, 2005 11:41:10 PM
"Some have argued that Maul was wasted and was not on screen enough, however, isn't that why we all love Boba Fett so much? He was cool and mysterious, just like Maul." I love how bashers will say, "Don't show us too much of Boba Fett! It takes away his mystery!" and on the other hand they will say, "Lucas sucks! He didn't tell us enough about Darth Maul!!"
I love it when by DarthRicker	May 21st, 2005 11:56:24 PM
Sidious refers to Yoda as "my little... green... friend". Ranking it up there with Vader's in-his-face "General Veers, prepare your men".
Loved it despite Lucas' philosophical nonsense by Damer1	May 22nd, 2005 12:00:24 AM
Obi-Wan says "only Sith belive in absolutes." Isn't it the Jedi who have a narrow conception of right and wrong? Isn't it the Sith that believe in an expanded view of morality? Despite Lucas' injection of his own brand of goofy Zen the movie itself was a fitting end and a good tie together for the whole series. I watched A NEW HOPE today and somehow it made more sense than it ever did. Maybe it's just me.
Damer1 by DarthRicker	May 22nd, 2005 12:06:00 AM
Obi-Wan's statement shows the hypocrisy of the Jedi, and that they are as narrowminded as the Sith. Althought the Sith see themselves as liberated, their embracing of the Dark Side fuels their negative energy and creates a kind of emotional vortex, and leads them to more anger, jealousy, child-murdering, and Cingular commercials.
I agree with the two guys saying Palpatine is responsible for An by Hoke Mosley	May 22nd, 2005 12:06:58 AM
It makes a lot of sense. TOTS rocks, btw. I just watched the other two movies (hate the first, 50/50 on clones) and I found something weird. Yoda says the Sith have been extinct for a 1000 years. That also points to the fact that Palpatine was a pupil of the Sith he tells Anakin about. BUT Anakin is suposed to bring balance to the force by killing the Sith, right? SO, in episode one, if they think the Sith are extinct, why do they give a damm to this prophecy anyway?? any thoughts??
Padame by Ingeld	May 22nd, 2005 12:13:36 AM
Lucas' direction to Portman went something like this. "Now, I want you to sit on this couch and complain and look worried." A few scense later. "Now, you are sitting in this chair looking worried." A few scenes later "Now, you are looking at the senate looking worried." A few scense later "You are sitting in the spaceship looking worried." His diretions to Anakin. Fun movie, better than the PM and AOC, but inferior to OT. Characters weren't interesting; they were flat--bad acting and bad dialogue. In the OT the main characters were ones we could identify with. The only one I could really care about was Obi Wan. He had the best dialogue and was the best actor. Palpatine was second. One last thing, didn't Leia say she remembered her mother in ROTJ? How could she?
ingeld: by joe_buck	May 22nd, 2005 12:18:53 AM
"didn't Leia say she remembered her mother in ROTJ? How could she?" Leia thinks that her parents are Senator Organa and his wife.
Powermetal1 by Mafu	May 22nd, 2005 12:21:29 AM
Powermetal1, you wrote, "I do not accept [homosexuals] as normal and I don't fucking have to. It's my opinion and fuck anyone that doesn't like it." All right. It's your opinion, that's cool. Just don't let all those facts about homosexuality occuring in non-human organisms get in the way of your very, very important opinion. Have fun disbelieving reality. Oh, and how many times were you raped by your priest?
Chewbroccoli, I liked your comparsion! (NT) by warp11	May 22nd, 2005 12:23:54 AM

Powermetal1=loves Titanic? by Honky Tonk	May 22nd, 2005 12:28:12 AM
So, by PM1's standards, Titanic is the best movie ever and the LOTR trilogy is better than Star Wars. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry... by Mafu	May 22nd, 2005 12:29:58 AM
I'm sorry, Powermetal1. I didn't mean to provoke you. That comment about your priest raping you... pure fiction, right? So sorry. It must've been difficult for you to reconcile those unspeakable acts with the so-called normalcy of your life... I really do sympathize. But maybe the reason you're so against homosexuality is because you secretly liked what the priest did to you. It wasn't your fault, so at some point I hope you find peace.
Absolute BEST line of the movie ... by New in NY	May 22nd, 2005 12:30:28 AM
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." Aw man, that just rocks. I can't even tell you why ... it's not exactly a stupid line. "Stupid" doesn't quite capture it. Have you ever seen Futurama? The last episode? When the Robot Devil gets all pissed because Fry's opera dialogue is too literal? He says: "THE CHARACTERS CAN'T JUST SAY EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE FEELING! I AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT THIS!" It's like that, but even fucking cooler, because Lucas was doing it for real!

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