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first bitch!! by ken185	May 18th, 2005 10:59:40 PM

um by ken185	May 18th, 2005 11:01:08 PM
yeah i got nothing to say i just care that i was first hahhahah
Ummm... by Fantomex	May 18th, 2005 11:21:43 PM
I know I should read all the reviews and talkback entries before posting, but the reviewer missed a little tiny plot point of Desolation Jones. He doesn't do detective work FOR the ex-spy community, he does work for people who have been screwed by the ex-spy community. That made this really really really really really really clear. He gave a whole damn speech on the subject.
Jason has some pretty juicy kills (one guy gets his head pounded by team america	May 18th, 2005 11:22:01 PM
Wow, sounds like a winner! Way to go, Pulido, you stupid fucking hack.
Save Valiant by x-oManowar	May 19th, 2005 12:11:44 AM
http://www.thepetitionsite.com /takeaction/877468729 Petition to boycott fake Valiant products Acclaim Entertainment, which purchased Valiant/Voyager Communications Inc. in 1994, filed for bankruptcy in late 2004. The rights to the Acclaim/Valiant comics were auctioned in court on April 12th, 2005. A concealed shell company, Valiant Intellectual Properties LLC ("VIP LLC"), was formed on March 30th, 2005 and on March 31st, 2005 attempted to trademark the Valiant name and several Valiant titles (Secret Weapons, Outcast, Rai and the Future Force, Deathmate, Quantum & Woody, Harbinger, Punx, Dr. Mirage, Eternal Warrior, Ninjak, Bloodshot, The Visitor and The Elementals) while the courts were sorting out the scheduled bankruptcy sale auction and asset details. According to a number of intellectual property experts, the timing of their applications and their lack of a bid at the auction makes it clear that they intend to either blackmail the auction winners or push their own books under the guise of the originals. Intellectual property professionals have been quoted as saying "VIP LLC are stinking of bad faith" and "VIP are conducting borderline outright thievery." VIP LLC was NOT EVEN PRESENT at the Acclaim auction. There is a remote possibility that VIP LLC could be granted some trademarks as Valiant has not been in business for a number of years. Unfortunately, this matter will not be resolved anytime soon as it takes at least six months for the applications to be reviewed by the US Patent and Trademark Office. If granted any of the trademarks, the VIP LLC products would need content that is 100% different than anything known in the Valiant universe. They intend to play off the reputation of a title and sell a product that has no connection to it. Rai would be anything BUT the sole protector of a future Japan - think a crime fighting loaf of rye bread. VIP LLC would essentially be DESTROYING Valiant as we know it to make a quick buck and in the process they would devalue the recognition and goodwill of the titles. They would ruin any hope of them returning as we remembered them. The entire industry recognized the importance of the sale on April 12th, 2005. There were three different bidding parties who came in good faith to become legitimate owners of the Valiant and Acclaim properties and bid close to $1 million. The RIGHTFUL OWNER of the Valiant and Acclaim titles should be whoever signed on the dotted line with the Acclaim bankruptcy trustees. Reliable sources have confirmed that VIP LLC intends to exploit these titles without their copyrights. Through the little information that has become publicly available, we do know that VIP LLC is connected to the comics industry but continue to work hard to keep their identities hidden for fear of damaging their professional and personal reputations. The prospect that someone out there is under the impression that spending a couple thousand dollars on a group of trademarks in an attempt to deceive the fans into thinking they are the 'legitimate owners' of the copyrights (when they are actually destroying Valiant and ruining any hope of it ever returning) is absolutely unacceptable. BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE we must show VIP LLC that we will not stand for this. WE have the power to alter the outcome of this situation and help bring back the Valiant characters as we remember them. We can do this threatening to boycott any VIP LLC products they intend to produce AND, if their true identites are revealed, any other products they produce. Now is the time for Valiant fans, Acclaim fans, and comic book fans of all types to come together and stand up for what we believe in. Please sign the petition
Who doesn't love Jason Voorhees? by crackerfarmboy	May 19th, 2005 12:32:06 AM
Seriously there's just something cool about the guy.
"Marble Comics" by Ribbons	May 19th, 2005 01:24:07 AM
Wokka wokka wokka!
Two Things by MadDogMantee	May 19th, 2005 01:36:56 AM
DOesn't Paramount own the "Friday the 13th" name and New line owns the character of Jason. Did Pulido have to get permission for both properties? And didnt the Punisher kill the men responsible when he took out the Costa family in that Marvel Magazine in the seventies?
JLA:CLASSIFIED? by SamBluestone	May 19th, 2005 02:41:04 AM
Great (or at least interesting to read) reviews as always, guys, but for next week I hope someone reviews the latest part of I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE. I know the last reviewer (Buzz, I think?) felt it's kind of out-of-place and dated, but I think that this story has more power and heart than ten "Countdowns." I actually got misty at this latest issue. It was really powerful stuff, in my opinion, and in a time where superhero comics are kinda losing their fun, it's books like this and BATMAN: DARK DETECTIVE (another "dated" book, I suppose) that remind me why I'm a comic fan. I'm too young to have grown up with the original runs of either JLI or Englehart's Batman, but these are the kinds of books I want to see more of on a weekly basis, not the lazy cheap shock-value storytelling going on today. Any idiot can kill off and ruin characters, make them "dark" and whatnot. What's going on in ICBINTJL and B:DD is far more rewarding and satisfying, and I just hope books like these get the attention they deserve.
I got the Friday the 13th Special by BigDogg	May 19th, 2005 03:23:22 AM
I agree that it sucks. The writer knew that there was no way he could sustain an interesting story so he just made it a hack and slash comic. And since it's a comic, he did things that would get laughed at in a movie. The shitting your own head was just one of those kills. Another was Jason punching a guy in the face so hard that the guy's head flies off, bounces off 4 or 5 trees, then lands back at Jason's feet. At least there was boobs in it, since gratuitous tit shots are a common thing in Friday movies (not that I'm complaining).
Is AICN going to review Colleen Coover's 'Banana Sunday' from On by DOGSOUP	May 19th, 2005 03:47:01 AM
Seriously this is from the woman who brought us the Girly Porno Comoc Book.
Excalibur has been cancelled by ChorleyFM	May 19th, 2005 05:25:41 AM
I don't read it, but so much for Claremont finding his groove.
Why comic book characters can't stay dead by DrLektor	May 19th, 2005 07:24:47 AM
Ah, that old clich
It's not just the big resurrections by cookylamoo	May 19th, 2005 08:28:23 AM
Ed Brubaker brings Catwoman's little friend back to life and when he's called on it, he laughs it off. Villains pop back to life with NO explanation. Rucka says he's going to bring back Mercy because he likes her. Editors have NO control anymore over their movie star writers.
Jason punched a dude's head off in Jason Takes Manhattan by HypeEndsHere	May 19th, 2005 08:43:05 AM
it flew off and landed in a dumpster. it was fucking hilarious.
Wow...The Cell.... by grendelson138	May 19th, 2005 09:13:01 AM
Anybody keeping track of how many times the Punisher has gone to prison to catch a baddy. Maybe the "his family's killer" thing adds a little spice, but not much. After reading some of Garth's other Punisher stuff, I'm just glad to hear he's actually taking the character seriously though. I loved Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe and The End, but his monthly issues have left a little to be desired............And, when exactly did JSA get good (issue wise). The first few issues seemed a little silly, and the art was crap-a-licious, so I dropped it. Talking to my comic book guy recently, I was surprised to hear it's now one of DC's most popular books.
Yeah Hype... by grendelson138	May 19th, 2005 09:15:35 AM
the guy who had his head knocked off was some big boxer. He actually tried to punch Jason in the hockey mask to protect himself....stupid ass. If I remember correctly, the head flies off the top of the building into the dumpster, and then the dumpster slams closed for dramatic effect. Proud to say I caught that one in the theater.
I'm reading Breach; Byrne Art Sucks; Winnick Writing Sucks by Squashua	May 19th, 2005 11:05:24 AM
All summarized in the subject. I said it. Byrne should stick to writing. All of the faces he draws look exactly alike. So much so that it took 3 issues before I realized Cassie Sandsmark was a little GIRL in his Wonder Woman series. Winnick, well, I've dropped almost everything he's written. Should have stuck with writing more Barry Ween. Yes, I'm reading Breach. Resurrection Man (but not the over-exposed Body Doubles), Chase, and Major Bummer were all fantastic comics. Especially the art on Major Bummer. I still don't know if that was set in a dark corner of the DCU.
Hey Squashua, re: the underappreciated CHASE: by SleazyG.	May 19th, 2005 01:52:10 PM
Cameron Chase is coming back to the DCU in the next month or two. If you're not already reading MANHUNTER, start picking it up. It's got some cool ideas going on there, and Cameron is gonna show up real soon over there. Man, if they can work in Clevenger from BLOODHOUND I'll be a pretty happy guy. Seeing those three characters interact (butting heads, not just a non-powered team-up) would be pretty sweet. The one cool thing to come out of CHASE is that even if it was cancelled, the DC SECRET FILES for a few years after that were always about the DEO's files and Chase trying to track down info on the various powered members of the DCU. It was a pretty cool approach and I got my Chase fix. I'm definitely looking forward to her turning up in MANHUNTER.
byrne art... by blackthought	May 19th, 2005 02:17:38 PM
...definately not looking so hot. if i was to ape someones style.....who should it be and who shouldn't? oh art opinions....yay.
breach sounds like a tasty dish of a comic by blackthought	May 19th, 2005 02:23:03 PM
i don't know why you fear it might be cancelled there dear prof. comics don't get cancelled, especially good ones with minor attention....what you mean i'm smoking something.......hmmmmmm
Claremont is awful by xsi kal	May 19th, 2005 05:40:45 PM
Like most comic book readers of my generation, I grew up on Claremont's X-men books and, for the most part, enjoyed them, dangling plot threads not withstanding. But I'm not 10 anymore. When he came back to the X-Men, I was depressed to find that, as a writer, he has not grown at all. In fact, within 2-3 issues, he'd resurrected all of the inane plot points and ridiculous dialogue that characterized the worst of his earlier runs. I'd even take Chuck Austen over Claremont, and that's just a mean thing to say about any writer. Consequently, I didn't bother following this run of Excalibur, and I can't say I'll miss it now that it's cancelled. I just don't think it should be too much to ask that storylines and characters be a little bit more sophisticated now than they were in the 80s. (As an aside, I really enjoyed Desolation Jones)
Bryne needs to get blacklisted... by Pops Freshemeyer	May 19th, 2005 05:48:56 PM
Screw the Valliant petition, somebody go start an online petition that will get Byrne to work on some more Next Men books. Sadly, it's the only thing he can do where his pencils don't completely annoy the fuck out of me. I can deal with his writing on other books, but pencils? His work kills me since I can remember back when he was actually good...
here's the deal+ a questijon i have about mid 90s Image by Everett Robert	May 19th, 2005 08:32:41 PM
I don't have a comic book store in my town, don't have a book store, have to travel great distances to even pick up a TPB. The only place I can pick up a comic is my grocery store! And they have NOTHING!!!...and yet every week I come here and read not only the reviews but the talkbacks, I'm not sure why/////ok now my question, in the mid 90s when Image first came out I think it was Marc Silverstri had a a couple of titles, one about an "X-Men" like team of super heros, and the other was a spinoff of that series involving one of the char. All I remember was the spinoff char. had 4 arms, most metallic (reminded me of Cable)...does ANYONE have a clue what I'm talking about...let me know here, tanks
Eric Powell rules by Ribbons	May 19th, 2005 08:44:19 PM
And I may just have to start buying this "Breach" thing.
image.............4 armed character..... by blackthought	May 19th, 2005 09:14:08 PM
probably alot of ppl here know who you speak of, heck perhaps i do too, but i'm not about to relive such horrors by typing his name here. and that chuck dixon over claremont was harsh, i mean, can claremont help that he went to the george lucas school of dialogue?
Wha happened? by IRuleAll	May 19th, 2005 09:16:54 PM
I remember the talkbacks used to be a whole lot livelier and filled up than this. And I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I'm just not feeling Professor Challenger. Too many "when did this happen?" and "I stopped reading this ten years ago, so apparently..." and other general questions. I feel like I'm having a music discussion with my granddad. "What are the kids listening to? The hippity-hop?"
Silvestri's book was called CyberForce by Pops Freshemeyer	May 19th, 2005 10:38:22 PM
If I remember correctly. And really now, blackthought, that's kind of harsh. Claremont isn't THAT bad. Well, at least I don't remember him being that bad. A bit redundant, maybe. BTW, on a Claremont/Lucas related note, anybody make the mistake of reading Lucas and Claremont's sequel to Willow? Can't remember the name but it was horrible. Think I bought all three in paperback but only made it about 75 pages into the first book...
pops.......true by blackthought	May 19th, 2005 11:37:12 PM
that was kinda harsh....claremont did some solid work.....nobody can pull a lucas.....well maybe stephen sommers.
xsi kal, you hit that nail on the head by Homer Sexual	May 20th, 2005 01:19:13 AM
And I really thought there were good comments on comic "deaths" as well. This is a good talkback, but the comics this week aren't that much to talk about
The reason Action Comics looks good on the inside and not-so-gre by superhero	May 20th, 2005 03:50:01 AM
It's because Byrne inked the cover himself. He's a LOUSY inker. Especially when he's inking himself. He's a great penciller and his art ALWAYS looks better when someone else is inking him...which can be rare. Or at least it was in the past. Now it seems like DC is getting other people to ink his stuff which is a GREAT idea. Also, is it me or is it really strange that this issue of Action Comics comes across as written by old-school Byrne? Maybe it's the art but Gail Simone's writing style came across as VERY much like the way Byrne used to write in his heyday when he used to know how to piece a story together that people could actually care about...
The Comedian - for your next review... by cactusmaac	May 20th, 2005 07:59:51 AM
..maybe you spend a little less than two-thirds of it talking about yourself.
SlqazyG; you must think so little of me... by Squashua	May 20th, 2005 10:19:19 AM
...to think that I'm not reading Manhunter or have every issue of Bloodhound. Shame on you. Of course, I didn't realize the same guy wrote both Bloodhound AND Firestorm, until I noted the unnecessary crossover. Bloodhound is gone and he's off Firestorm; I guess DC gave him the boot?
FeartheTruth by rev_skarekroe	May 20th, 2005 11:13:39 AM
What the hell are you talking about? Bug has the power to ban people and delete posts? Since when? The reason I didn't post to this talkback until now is because I had nothing to say. Frankly, the geek-portion of my brain has been occupied with Ep. III for the past few days, and I just clicked the comics talkback to see what was going on. Then I read your inane post and I felt the need to reply.
asskissing, fearthetruth? by sideshowbob	May 20th, 2005 01:20:54 PM
To the @$$hole reviewers? I don't know about that. My thoughts on that are, these reviews take time to write & these guys (and girl) are doing this for free. So why attack them? Who cares if they're wrong? *** Also, I haven't posted in here recently because for whatever reason comics have been boring as hell lately.
Hey FearTheTruth by docfalken	May 20th, 2005 02:03:48 PM
Bug doesn't have the ability to ban you, but in the next version of this site, we'll deputize many of the readers and let the community handle it. The reason you get kicked is because you go after the writers and are generally a jerkwad. If you have a gripe about a title, please let us hear it, but don't go attacking the hard work that the AICN Comics guys put in each week. They do it for the love of comics, and you go and ruin it for everyone. Bug and crew have gotten me excited about comics again and even though I hadn't read one in years, I'm now going back to my favorite store here in Austin and having them pull my titles each week. So, just be cool, let us know what your opinions are about the titles themselves. You should post your pull list or your own recommendations. I'd go buy a title that you'd recommend if you take the time to let us know what you liked or didn't like instead of kicking others in the balls.
Can anyone post here the Paul Pope Batman checklist ? by Gus Nukem	May 20th, 2005 02:49:45 PM
and what about his Batman project ' Year 1000 ' ? Is it happening ? When should it be out ?
You go Ambush Bug! by Homer Sexual	May 20th, 2005 03:02:57 PM
So SeeTrhoughThis and Ego-Popper were the same person! That explains so much. I actually think Ambush is the best reviewer here, but I hope he didn't ban Ego_Popper for defending Bendis. Not that I like Bendis, or that I liked E.P. aka S.T.T. since he/she attacked me in the past. But he/she did provoke this particular post. Now, I do have a lot to say about the comics that came out this week, bought 14 comics, but last week I only bought three, and Rann-Thanagar War was one. I liked it but the review said everything so I had no more to add. With Young Avengers, Exiles, Guardian, JLA Classified, Teen Titans, Spidey/Torch I have plenty to spout off about. Spider- Man Breakout was a good one, too.
Want to know why SeeThroughThis is unworthy of ever being defend by Dave_F	May 20th, 2005 03:13:05 PM
Type "seethroughthis" into Google. You'll find a guy who's trolled on multiple boards and who uses juvenile race-baiting tactics. Check it out. This dick's no defender of free speech - just another internet troll yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Not Fighting His Battles by docfalken	May 20th, 2005 03:36:24 PM
Ugggh, you got me monologuing now. You were complaining that you were getting banned and having to create new identities. I just thought it would be nice if you knew who was kicking you out each time. If you've got the time to fill out the form and post mean-spirited crap, then I have the time to gong you. Meanwhile, I will definitely get the Black Panther. Thanks for the recommendation. I have the Daredevil, but haven't read it yet. I've been pretty much riding the teets of Marvel and DC. Which indie title should I be picking up this week? I'm already addicted to The Walking Dead, what else am I missing?
I can take criticism just fine. by SleazyG.	May 20th, 2005 03:36:43 PM
I can also read the agreement we all had to accept when we signed up to post here. The AICN boards are among the most liberal you'll find anywhere, actually--this shit never woulda flown at Millar's site, or Quesada's, or Newsarama's, or anybody elses' for that matter. When you continually level unsubstantiated attacks, however, including one of which dropped the n-bomb for no reason, you can expect to be banned. It's pretty simple, really: show a little respect and try to follow the rules. If you're too dense to know where the line between criticizing somebody and attacking them lies, the problem's with you, not the dozens of people you alienate on a weekly basis. Truth is, nothing has a chilling affect on talkbacks quite like a reactionary jerk who shows up, derails the conversation and turns it into a shouting match. Hell, there are contributors to this site (and column and talkback) who have backed off for exactly this reason. Long story short: act like a schmuck and you're gonna get booted. Insulting the same people every week for the same off-topic BS gets you ignored, hated and kicked. Try behaving like an adult and you'll get a different response. Not bloody likely, of course...
And just for the record, Bug isn't the "head" anything around he by SleazyG.	May 20th, 2005 03:38:57 PM
We don't have a "head", or "president", or "editor", or any other such nonsense. Feel free to keep pointlessly attacking the same guy over and over again because he said something you didn't like 10 months ago, though--we're all really impressed.
Speaking of Ambush Bug and Head... by Squashua	May 20th, 2005 05:19:35 PM
I hear AB gives good head. What, you thought I was going to comment about the rolling head of the late Julius Schwartz?
Batman and The Pope... by Dave_F	May 20th, 2005 05:24:27 PM
I can't leave a fellow Paul Pope fan hangin', Gus, so here're his Batman projects that I know of: Most recently, he did a Robin story in SOLO #3 with Batman appearing briefly. He also did the "Berlin Batman" Elseworlds story in BATMAN CHRONICLES #11. He did the black-and-white back-up story to GOTHAM KNIGHTS #3, "Broken Nose", later collected in BATMAN: BLACK AND WHITE (volume 2, I think). Lastly, he drew issue 5 of a Batman mini called BATMAN: TURNING POINTS, written by Greg Rucka. Oh, and it's kinda tangential, but Pope did covers for CATWOMAN issues 5-9. If that's not everything, it's gotta be pretty damn close!
GONG! by docfalken	May 20th, 2005 07:53:52 PM

4 year anniversary by Homer Sexual	May 20th, 2005 11:04:57 PM
When I first came here two years ago, I was very happy to find a place to talk comics. No one I know reads them, and all the reviewers and most of the talkbackers are great! I've discovered lots of books here. If there were more of these, comics would probably sell better. But don't think I'm kissing up, I'm as big an a$$hole as anyone else out there.
Paul Pope by Ribbons	May 21st, 2005 01:41:44 AM
Is that the guy from "New York's underground scene?" If so, he's done Batman stuff? Weird and cool. Must check out.
thanks people by Gus Nukem	May 21st, 2005 05:54:22 AM
and if you haven't read anything by Paul Pope, I highly encourage you to do so. Start by Solo #3, and then check out his independent work such as 100% and Heavy Liquid. I don't have anything to say on his work - the man is a genius.
ha! I have the last word in here! And the last laugh... HAHAHA! by Gus Nukem	May 21st, 2005 03:03:51 PM
mwahahahaha!
fuck First! posters - let's see who gets to have the last word by Gus Nukem	May 22nd, 2005 12:18:05 PM
LAST!!!
Later than Last! by UltimateSexmen	May 22nd, 2005 04:42:50 PM
Sorry Gus.
oh i'd be last by blackthought	May 22nd, 2005 04:49:54 PM
victory is mine. sorry ultimate...
nah... by Gus Nukem	May 22nd, 2005 10:35:02 PM
it turns out I was the ultimate talkbacker here. Nice effort though.
i think not by blackthought	May 23rd, 2005 12:34:19 AM
my effort is more than nice...its on going.
try HARDER by Gus Nukem	May 23rd, 2005 07:04:27 AM
LAST!
will do by blackthought	May 23rd, 2005 10:54:33 AM
now i am LAST!
you don't seem to give up by Gus Nukem	May 23rd, 2005 11:12:59 AM
when you should, especially when your opponent has vast military and financial means at his (mine) disposal - LAST!
whoa now by blackthought	May 23rd, 2005 12:06:52 PM
vast military and financial means...well i don't fear that....i do fear my vast debt though.....at least i'm last again.
oh my.... by blackthought	May 23rd, 2005 08:07:07 PM
i'm lasting my last last with a new last so i can be last and thus be last and victory is mine!
not if I have something to say about it by Gus Nukem	May 23rd, 2005 08:52:27 PM
such as ... LAST! (we really should infect other AICN talkbacks with this - ASAP)
good idea by blackthought	May 24th, 2005 12:00:04 AM
i agree......firsters suck.....being last is where its at. if its good enough for the kansas city royals it should be good enough for a talkbacker....and with that i am last.
you are a worthy adversary mr. blackthought - perhaps due to an by Gus Nukem	May 24th, 2005 02:09:10 AM
since, as long as I talkback here, you never quite seem to escape the pen-ultimate post
worthy indeed i be by blackthought	May 24th, 2005 08:04:55 PM
i wasn't raised to be a quitter......however i was raised to finish last in most things...and this talkbalk is one of them.
the ULTIMATE AICN talkback post by Gus Nukem	May 25th, 2005 07:33:16 PM
aka LAST!
You'd like to THINK you're last. by Dave_F	May 26th, 2005 02:02:49 PM
And yet...
I THINK therefore I AM ... by Gus Nukem	May 26th, 2005 07:50:01 PM
LAST!!
Nah by Squashua	Mar 6th, 2007 03:29:47 PM
This is what I get googling these old threads for links to Firestorm stuff for this week's reviews.

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