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International BATMAN BEGINS trailer the best yet!

can't... fucking... wait... by TV CASUALTY	May 12th, 2005 11:35:46 AM
Just keeps looking better and better. If this tanks, it'll break my heart. And I'm NOT gonna say it.
Fricking Sweet+ Vincent Cassell for Joker in Batman 2 by John-Locke	May 12th, 2005 11:37:31 AM
I cant wait for this one. Sweeeet.
Sing it Folks, SIGN IT by RIVERO	May 12th, 2005 11:39:34 AM
Crispin Glover as THE JOKER is a fanboy's dream come true. The goy is a terrific, versatile, overlooked but fabulous actor. SIGN the Petition! http://www.petitiononline.com/ qp2d1234/petition.html
Hell yes by BillEmic	May 12th, 2005 11:39:58 AM
Couldn't watch this with sound because I'm at school but damn that looks great. I'm really excited by the chance to see Bruce's first night out, before he develops the batsuit, dressed in all black and a ski mask. That was one of the best parts on "Mask of the Phantasm". Also, I love the image of the bats fluttering all around him as he stands with his eyes closed...This is going to be THE movie this summer. Well, after Episode III.
Want to see CRISPIN GLOVER as The Joker? by RIVERO	May 12th, 2005 11:43:31 AM
Then sign MY Petition.....know that my petition is asking that Nolan CONSIDERS casting Glover in this pivotal and crucial role in the Batman mythology. - - - http://www.petitiononline.com/ qp2d1234/petition.html http://www.petitiononline.com/ qp2d1234/petition.html
Hey, Rivero. by dr_dreadlocks	May 12th, 2005 11:47:21 AM
Are you Glover's agent, or something? Or are you Glover himself? Just wondering because you're pushing for this like you have an interest in it. Hey, I like the idea, but your positivity is... suspicious.
Well won't be able to see the trailer till I get back off of hol by Big_Bubbaloola	May 12th, 2005 11:52:23 AM
ok ok, so its a slow day!!! SHEESH!!!!!
An Oldie, But a Goody.... by Darth Busey	May 12th, 2005 11:53:01 AM
Fuck Crispin Glover. Fuck him up his stupid ass.
fuck me in the eyes, that looks good! by mansep	May 12th, 2005 11:53:30 AM

Scarecrow with maggots by Oski	May 12th, 2005 11:55:51 AM
Check out the area around his head. The screen doing that FIght Club thing when the movie comes off the reels. That's a freaking awesome way to show the POV of somebody hit with fear toxin.
I hope... by ClarkK82	May 12th, 2005 11:56:28 AM
I hope this settles it for any of the doubters out there who were having reservations. I can
I become more and more... by Childe Roland	May 12th, 2005 12:01:56 PM
...optimistic with each new promotional piece that comes out for this film. But we'll see if it actually delivers. I do hope they don't ever show the batsuit in full light. It looks very menacing in shadow, but the images I've seen where it's fully illuminated make it look a little silly. And there's really no reason for him to wear it in a brightly lit room, if you think about it.
But Scarecrow rides a horse! And there's a train at the end! by rev_skarekroe	May 12th, 2005 12:04:59 PM
Therefore the movie WILL suck! Haven't you people been reading moviemack's posts?
WOW! by Pogue__Mahone	May 12th, 2005 12:08:37 PM
I'm pretty stoked! This looks a hundred times better than the shite-fests we've been subjected to. Nolan is GREAT! As for the horse? Didn't the scarecrow escape from Arkham on a horse in 'The Long Halloween' (operating on faulty memory here).. and many major cities have elevated trains... this isn't being unbelievable... who cares? I'm stoked.
Re: rev_skarekroe "Haven't you people been reading moviemack's p by John-Locke	May 12th, 2005 12:08:45 PM
No I generally tend toavoid them unless I feel the need to laugh at someone.
Laugh at me now for my lack of spacebar use by John-Locke	May 12th, 2005 12:11:27 PM
Tend to avoid, thats what I meant, Doh!
what I want to know... by ClarkK82	May 12th, 2005 12:12:47 PM
is who they have killing Bruce
Nice philosophy by TheHappyRampager	May 12th, 2005 12:13:51 PM
'To conquer fear, you must become fear', John Rambo certainly agrees. 'To survive war, you gotta become war'. Hope that's a Goyer line.
Pai Mei looks okay I guess by adambalm	May 12th, 2005 12:15:23 PM
"I seek the means to fight injustice...I'm gonna kill Bill."
OMG by johnhawks	May 12th, 2005 12:16:41 PM
it is the best yet!
...yesssss. by The Librarian	May 12th, 2005 12:25:27 PM
watching these trailers, i get a sense of... i don`t know, intense restlessness, like when i was a wee pup on christmas eve. this movie has to be dope or i`ll be very depressed about it. katie holmes sucks ass, but i will not let her ruin it for me. everyone and everything else looks cool as hell. yes, i do believe my nipples have hardened...
My only complaint? by Sean38	May 12th, 2005 12:27:44 PM
No Commissioner Gorden (except for what looked like one brief shot). But DAMN this looks good. Nice when all the pieces seem to come into place.
Ninja on the right side by BranMakMorn	May 12th, 2005 12:28:41 PM
seems to be having some equipment malfunction on his face mask... good clip all around.
Arg, enough with the Joker casting couch, there's a whole thread by I Dunno	May 12th, 2005 12:28:55 PM
Looks pretty cool. I don't hate the Batmobile quite as muc now anyway. I don't know about Bale though. He seems kind of goofy, like how he was in American Psycho when he wasn't killing people. But they didn't show enough of him to really make a judgement call. And do Morgan Freeman and Samuel L. Jackson have a bet on who can be in more movies than Michael Cain first?
ClarkK82 by Oski	May 12th, 2005 12:30:59 PM
Here's what happens: Joe Chill is the killer. He's caught after it happens. Years later he's going to get early parole because he shared a cell with Carmine Falcone and agrees to testify against him. Bruce, is obviously pissed and decided to kill him, but is beat to the punch.
Yes but I hate the rubber neck...stiff as ever. by aceattorney	May 12th, 2005 12:31:28 PM

Looks better & better w/ every new trailer . . . by Nice Marmot	May 12th, 2005 12:33:58 PM
I am much more optimistic about the look of Gotham after seeing this one. The only thing I really don't like now is Katie Holmes, every time she pops up in a trailer, I pop right back out for a second. Other than that, I'm stoked!!!
The effects look by The Heathen	May 12th, 2005 12:41:01 PM
Great. The Batmobile jumping over the building tops, the miniature train, Batman in flames, his gliding, the billowing of his cape as he's perched, Cranes fear toxin effect. I thought it felt right. Nothing looked CG, felt like what they used was real, and isn't that the point?
Oski by ClarkK82	May 12th, 2005 12:44:26 PM
Hey thanks, I actually really like that. From the looks of the gun throwing away scene it is probably before Bruce leaves for his training huh? I was wondering how exactly Falcone was going to fit into the whole thing. I
Why Crispin? by tHEmOOG	May 12th, 2005 12:52:00 PM
Why do so many of you want that glover guy for the joker role? He can't pull that off. Jere Burns in his hayday would of been the perfect joker. Hes the blonde guy from that old Dear John show with Judd Hirsch. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm012 2716/
Holy Mother of... by stlfilmwire	May 12th, 2005 01:09:47 PM
That was awesome. I like Katie. The action looked freaking great.
Yeah this trailer has some nice new scenes, but... by PrezMike	May 12th, 2005 01:11:51 PM
Yeah it has new scenes like the one of Bruce going out the first time not as Batman but just as a masked fighter, but this trailer seems to be cut all over the place, not very coherent... at least for me, there's just something very strange with the flow the trailer, but anyway, nice new scenes.
Agree with previous poster by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 12th, 2005 01:18:49 PM
Every new trailer just looks better, I've gone from being underwhelmed by the first trailer to being completely hyped for this flick.
Nice to see some nice shots... by mtstan	May 12th, 2005 01:27:29 PM
but really I just want to see the film. Big deal there's a few new things, I'm more curious about the 90+ minutes we haven't seen. Trailers leave too many questions, like: Is the gun he holds from his parents murder or for retribution on the killer? Is there a single antagonist, or several and how do they fit in with the plot? (and most importantly) Did the costumer restrict the nip-age on the batsuit while allowing it on Holmes?
you didn't have to post seven times, dude. but yeah, why the he by HypeEndsHere	May 12th, 2005 01:31:06 PM

Hmm by ghkilgore	May 12th, 2005 01:36:10 PM
The Bat Mobile looks like crap. Was that Qui'gon holding a light saber?
The Retarded Ninja IS Pretty Funny. by Sean38	May 12th, 2005 01:38:02 PM
You have to believe that's not gonna make the final cut of the film. The blooper reel, maybe.
LOL by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 12th, 2005 01:48:27 PM
Just went back to check out the retarded ninja, hilarious.
RE: The effects look by boomstick81	May 12th, 2005 01:53:44 PM
There is CGI... for one, the bats are CGI. At least it is for the scene where Batman is falling down all the floors. When they first showed a still or footage waaaaay back, there weren't any bats.
LMAO by ghkilgore	May 12th, 2005 01:54:10 PM
That Ninja has made my day, thanks guys for the Laugh.
That ninja on the right... by Childe Roland	May 12th, 2005 01:57:32 PM
...really should just swallow a frisbee and get it over with.
Katie Holmes by flossygomez	May 12th, 2005 02:02:46 PM
looks like a 5 year old anime doll. Is Bruce Wayne a pedophile like Cruise is?
Not the best trailer... by kiddae	May 12th, 2005 02:02:51 PM
The one before this was the one that got me giddily excited for this flick - the new trailer shows too much in-costume action, and confirms that moulded rubber still sucks. Ah well, it'll be a fun flick, but I just wish they could get the costume right.
Looking forward to it... but I hope for a better Batman costume by JDanielP	May 12th, 2005 02:03:12 PM
There are many stylistic, visual interpretations within the comics... and I see nothing wrong with that idea spilling over into the movies. Just do a better job on the costume designs, okay?
Holmes by Mafu	May 12th, 2005 02:04:54 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I though Katie Holmes looked fine. Connolly would've looked hot, too, as would've Alba, but I'm happy with what I've seen from Holmes. She's not as wild a choice as Chris Nolan could've made, but I liked Holmes's work in "Wonder Boys," and "Pieces of April," and I think she's hot in her own way. I think she's meant to convey a sense of good-natured innocence in the film, which comes naturally to her, in my opinion, so I think she'll do a good job in the film.
retarded ninja by mtstan	May 12th, 2005 02:07:01 PM
I've watched that over and over again. Did he hit himself in the back of the head with his own sword?
One more thing... by Mafu	May 12th, 2005 02:08:00 PM
I thought Batman's costume and his Batmobile both looked badass in the new trailer. Less cartoony, in my opinion, and more practical.
Why Katie works... by stlfilmwire	May 12th, 2005 02:17:42 PM
She was a childhood chum. Katie's face is youthful and reminds you of the fact that they knew each other for a long while. Plus she looks young and vulnerable... remember... Katie probably won't last long. I don't remember seeing Batman growing old with his childhood chum...(or I could be wrong)
YOWZA!!!!!! by payton 34	May 12th, 2005 02:23:02 PM
This is going to make a bazillion dollars, a whoooooollle bazillion!!!!...oh yeah and Glover can't act to save his life.
Ninja in Training? by abcdefghijklmnop	May 12th, 2005 02:30:56 PM
My first impression was that the clumsy ninja was an inexperienced Bruce Wayne.
"Batman Begins" Running Time CONFIRMED by Admiral Nelson	May 12th, 2005 02:41:20 PM
2 hours, 20 minutes, according to the British ratings classification board. Go to: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/, then click on Recent Decisions/Links, and click on the "Batman Begins" link.
I agree with abcdefghijklmnop by Darth Kong	May 12th, 2005 02:42:06 PM
It's Bruce in training. It's cut to look like they take a step forward when Wayne enters, but in the film it will make sense. Still if the trailer was cut so that fanboys would giggle at that, it's kinda clever but I think it may be a coincidence.Oh, and this film will be shat upon by War Of The Worlds.
Ninja Fluff by Trevor Goodchild	May 12th, 2005 02:47:51 PM
It's just that his mask slips over his eyes.
Ninja Fluff by Trevor Goodchild	May 12th, 2005 02:54:22 PM
It's just that his mask slips over his eyes.
Batman Begins just rips off Angel by Daddy Tones	May 12th, 2005 03:11:26 PM
Example: Angel fights crime. Batman copies it. Angel is moody and dark: Batman copies that. I'm surprised Joss Whedon hasn't sued yet.
i hate that bat-suit, but the movie promises good stuff by CuervoJones	May 12th, 2005 03:18:47 PM

MovieMack thinks he's funny by BlackJack001	May 12th, 2005 03:23:31 PM
LMAO get a liff
THE NINJA IS NOT A RETARD, RETARD! by Praetor	May 12th, 2005 03:35:31 PM
He LOOKS like he fumbles his sword but in FACT he is spinning a pair of nunchakas. Watch the clip in double size and you see him pull them over his shoulder before bringing his hand up to his face to receive.
No he fumbles a sword by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 12th, 2005 03:47:12 PM
Definitely not nunchaks, you can watch it frame by frame and see the sword, and he's not bringing his hand up to his face to receive but to fix the mask that's slipped over his eyes. Though I think previous posters may be right, that could be Wayne.
nit-picky fanboy remark #285462951 by GrubStreeter	May 12th, 2005 03:50:48 PM
This looks sweet, but I wish they'd design a batsuit allowing him to turn his neck and head a bit. He looks so stiff in those fight scenes.
Joker casting: Mark Strong, Perry Farrell by hallmitchell	May 12th, 2005 04:01:16 PM
I would love to see some experimentation.
Why hulk hogan sucks. by hallmitchell	May 12th, 2005 04:03:16 PM
Just read Jesse Ventura's book. Hulk Hogan sold out his fellow wrestlers for his own personal gain. When Jesse was trying to organise a union. Hulk "man of the people"Hogan went and told on them, spoiling their plans. What a sell out.
Rubber Suit Soldier = Reality by GwynsHeadinaBox	May 12th, 2005 04:18:44 PM
http://www.natick.army.mil/sol dier/media/fact/individual/FW. htm Rumor has it the "Spider-Man People" have asked to use this in their movie.
Just heard from Warners... by Childe Roland	May 12th, 2005 04:20:17 PM
...that the little snippet with the clumsy ninja was actually accidentally cut into this trailer. It doesn't even come from this movie, but from a sequel to a Chris Farley film. It's called Beverly Hills Ninja II: Downs and Out. The soundtrack will feature the uncompromised, unedited version of the Black Eyed Peas hit "Let's Get Retarded in Here!" and the film also features a CGI Chris Farley "Force ghost" that insturcts the retarded ninja in the comical ways of combat. Look for it this summer.
ninja by whatyoufear	May 12th, 2005 04:41:17 PM
i don't see the big deal about the "retarded ninja".. isn't it remniscent of the stormtrooper blooper we've all grown to love??
Growing to love bloopers? by stlfilmwire	May 12th, 2005 04:45:00 PM
Okay, chief. Whatever you say.
More bitching about the batsuit! by rylen	May 12th, 2005 04:48:11 PM

More bitching about the batsuit! by rylen	May 12th, 2005 04:48:11 PM

More bitching about the batsuit! by rylen	May 12th, 2005 04:52:47 PM
My complaint with the batsuit isn't so much about the design or the look, but the fact that the rubber bunches up at the joints, thus making it look like some cheap halloween outfit. You'd think they would have smoothed it out or something. Also, if they are going the way of sci-fi (at least decades before practical applications) with the electro-cape, they should have just had Batman wear liquid armor. Light, thin armor that hardens on impact making the wearer bullet-resistant if not bullet-proof. This is currently being developed just like the electro-cape. I do like the idea of actually featuring bats in this movie. I always thought they were severely underused and can be a great tool of fear and diversion. After all, there is a reason why he's called "The Batman"!
112th!!! by jesuschrist	May 12th, 2005 04:53:27 PM
I am the greatest talkbacker ever to post 112th! I kiss my own ass.
**SPOILER** by Blarneyman	May 12th, 2005 04:59:15 PM
Liam Neeson plays Ra Ah Ghul, not Ken Wantanabe. Liam playing Ducard is a ruse that is revealed in the 3rd act when they have a fight on a speeding train.
SHUT UP ABOUT THE GODDAMN NINJA!!! by I Dunno	May 12th, 2005 05:03:06 PM
Just kidding, post what you want. I was just observing that in these TalkBacks people get fixed on one inane subject and won't shut up about it. Oh and thanks for the spoiler there, Blarneyman. Putting Spoiler in the subject line does nothing.
Still think the Bat-tank is lame, by Right Bastard	May 12th, 2005 05:26:15 PM
but other than that it looks great.
All is forgiven with the BatTank by I Dunno	May 12th, 2005 05:30:01 PM
...if at the end of the film he rolls out a modified version that looks like a Batmmobile.
What a jerk! by kintar0	May 12th, 2005 05:37:08 PM
I Dunno, you're an asshole. Why do you even log on to this site? Fucking "spoiler" in all caps with four fucking asterisks on either side isn't fucking enough for you? And the fact that Neeson is really Ra's al Ghil is completely fucking obvious, even if you haven't read the leaked script. Which by the way, is only supported by the last two trailers, because a ton of the lame shit in the script is glimpsed in both trailers. I know, I know, go make my own movie, right?
It's average at best. It looks like the Batman TV movie of the w by Orionsangels	May 12th, 2005 05:38:51 PM
In a way that's cool though. It's not a showoff all out epic movie, like the other Batman movies tried to be. It seems like less of an event this batman movie, maybe because the charm of seeing batman on screen has worn off. Strip it to its bare bones and what do you have left? Hopefully a good story with some cool action. Will see.
Batman Begins is certainly no Spider-man... by kintar0	May 12th, 2005 05:57:41 PM
in the sense that I get no feeling of seeing something for the first time like when I saw the Spider-man trailer for the very first time. It just looks and feels so ordinary. ***SPOILER*** (that's FIVE asterisks) I can't wait for the end of the film when Bruce Wayne tells Katie Holmes he'd give it all up, giving up being Batman for her. Yeah, caaan't wait...
Oh get over yourselves. by Blarneyman	May 12th, 2005 05:58:24 PM
I could have just said it, like Katie Holmes doesn't die. Scarecrow has two scenes in his mask, and on the whole it's utterly forgettable.
Yeah... by evilash43	May 12th, 2005 05:59:01 PM
How in the hell were the other Batman movies more 'epic'? Epic tends to imply grand in scale... Batman Begins tends to look a little more 'grand in scale' than a bunch of movies filmed entirely on London soundstages instead of any real locations. Hell, you can almost feel the 'roof' on Gotham City in the other Bat-flicks.
This movie will own...plus TMNT movie info! by crackerfarmboy	May 12th, 2005 05:59:54 PM
This movie looks absoutely fantastic, it will certainly be the best Batman on film. I can't wait. In other comic to film news: since Harry & co. seem to have a grudge against reporting on info on the new TMNT film I'd figure I'd do it for them. Here's the interview with the writer/director: http://www.gamerz-edge.com/new s/articles/040705Turtles.html And here's the NEW POSTER: http://www.joblo.com/index.php ?id=7450
Way to stretch out the talkback... by Childe Roland	May 12th, 2005 06:02:39 PM
...asshat.
he does not sound like batman by angrykirby.tk	May 12th, 2005 06:05:54 PM
I can take alot of different voices coming out of batman but it needs to have a force behind it to sound believable. this guy sounds like a wuss he doesn't sound manly enough especially when he yells rachel. fix it fix it now
Does that upset you that much Childe? by Blarneyman	May 12th, 2005 06:07:36 PM
Then you are a sad man. Cunt.
wow by brinkeguthrie	May 12th, 2005 06:13:34 PM
That horse with the fire outta its nose is pretty scary. And is it me or the does the guy saying "The BAT..man..." look like Robert Downey?
moviemack by whatyoufear	May 12th, 2005 06:15:13 PM
we need more negativity please grace us with your wise words. PS I AM WEARING A RUBBER SUIT
Batman's cool. by Quin the Eskimo	May 12th, 2005 06:19:51 PM
That is all.
Blarneyman reveals himself to be an asshole, too... by kintar0	May 12th, 2005 06:20:49 PM
I can't believe I defended you. You are now the Prime Asshole, Blarneyman.
Batman's cool, very cool by Quin the Eskimo	May 12th, 2005 06:21:04 PM
That is all.
Negativity is a waste of time by Quin the Eskimo	May 12th, 2005 06:22:12 PM
Batmans still cool
Shouldn't you all be happy that by Quin the Eskimo	May 12th, 2005 06:23:52 PM
Batman isn't ending on Joel Schumacer's note? Batman= still cool
On a related subject, by Quin the Eskimo	May 12th, 2005 06:25:12 PM
isn't this a great summer for movies!
Looking bettter and better all the time. by Devil'sOwn	May 12th, 2005 06:31:08 PM
This was cool as Hell. It was the first Batman trailer I've seen in a looong time that has a sense of energy and purpose to it.
Debris FLYING at camera!!! by Ronny25	May 12th, 2005 06:40:31 PM
Okay, I do like the trailer. If it was any other superhero movie, I'd just think that it looked interesting. With the last 3 Batman films totally sucking, it is nice to see a different take on the character. I'm looking forward to it, but I won't be the first in line. NOW... about the explosion debris flying out of the temple towards the end of the trailer - I am so damn sick of seeing that effect in almost any film that contains an explosion. It all seemed to start with the "Twister" trailer back in 1996 with CG debris flying at the camera. Now, it's used in everything and I have to admit that it's a total turn-off. I'm just tired of seeing the same old shit, aren't you? CG bats, CG explosions, CG everything! As much as I hate to admit this, films do suck a bit more because of this over-used technology. It's almost like the technology is compensating for a real lack of visual sense and, more importantly, a good story. Sorry, I'll try to be more upbeat when films aren't all looking the same (visually).
What the hell happened to the screen? by I Dunno	May 12th, 2005 06:49:01 PM
Oh. Blarneyman. Sigh. Anyway, I don't think CGI is necessarally overused. I think if there were no CGI they would try the same shots with conventional FX and it would look fake in a different way. Look at the original Batman for example. Those FX looked fake as hell and it was all stop motion and matte paintings. I think CGI is much maligned.
say itll suck all you want... by satansteve	May 12th, 2005 06:51:26 PM
you KNOW you're wrong.
The "Fatal Attraction" quote is... by kintar0	May 12th, 2005 06:57:16 PM
"I WON'T be ignored!" not "I will not be ignored." This IS a movie geek site, after all. And moviemack was mentioning "real world people" because monkey tennis brought it up. BUT, he's right, moviemack, you fuckin' jerk, how dare you continue to rant against this film! We've seen the trailers! They're hot! That Batmobile looks baddass! This movie's gonna be fuckin' great because I like the trailer! The rubber suit is rad, way more believable so we don't have to suspend our disbelief! This is what Nolan's giving us so you better fuckin' like it or shut the fuck up! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
prizilla presley as the joker by dr.bulber	May 12th, 2005 07:28:37 PM
leave em with a smile!
Could be a good film... by Hardman	May 12th, 2005 07:41:43 PM
Actually could be as good as the Burton version. But why did they have to go an ruin the Batmobile ? What's wrong with the suit ? I have to take a closer look.
I think we all agree by Quin the Eskimo	May 12th, 2005 07:46:05 PM
this will be MUCH better then the last film
wow by whatyoufear	May 12th, 2005 07:57:03 PM
apparently if you have a positive attitude towards a movie that looks to be great, you're pro-republican?? does this mean that all fans of the catwoman movie are democrats?! do political views really influence whether or not a movie rocks or not?! let me take this opportunity to mention LORD OF THE RINGS.. this is it, folks.. ground-zero...talkbacks have hit rock fucking bottom..
This doesn't look like a total piece of crap by Rupee88	May 12th, 2005 07:57:47 PM
Like SW Ep III, people will say this is brilliant because it is so much better than the garbage that came before it. But I think it will be a fairly solid and entertaining movie.
re: Evilash by Orionsangels	May 12th, 2005 08:25:09 PM
"How in the hell were the other Batman movies more 'epic'?" Have you see the original Batman lately? The scope of that film is ridiculous. The whol model city of Gotham. The music. It was beyond over the top. Then you have Batman forever, again, a grand spectacle, huge goofy city and batman 4? gay colorful world, massive sets. Thanks to this CGI world we live in, we know most of the effects were done on a home computer. So grandness of it all is gone. Sure it has some sets, but nothing like Batman Returns. The whole movie was filmed on massive sets. The other batman movies were made in more ambitious times for F/Xs, now you hit a button and you have effects.
Moviemack: "When this makes about as much money as Schumacher's by Triumph poops!	May 12th, 2005 08:44:27 PM
So you're saying when BATMAN BEGINS defies your prediction and tears up the box office AND garners great reviews for Nolan and Bale that then you'll FINALLY admit you were wrong and have been bagging all over this movie for no reason at all? Doubtful, I'm sure -- but we'll all be here to remind you of your lame predictions later, Moviemack. Personally, I can't wait for this to open. Alongside SITH and WOTW, we're now guaranteed 3 great summer flicks to keep asses in a darkened theater munching our way through the big tub of corn. The new trailer is great and the movie will be, too. Give it a rest, Moviemack. Even from the fucking trailers you can tell Nolan delivered on this baby.
While everyones casting the sequels already... by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	May 12th, 2005 08:52:24 PM
Here's my little grocery list of preferable actors. Jack Napier/The Joker: Lachy Hulme has been mentioned a lot on Batman-On-Film as the preferably Joker and I have to agree. He seems MUCH more menacing than fucking Crispin Glover! (I'll always see him as that stringy, yelping bitch who always got his ass whooped in the Charlie's Angel movies.) Harvey Dent/Two-Face: Clive Owen. This cast may seem a little uninspired to people but I believe he's proven himself to be a good enough actor to pull off the Harvey Dent side and still be a bit more of a badass, tragic and especially intimidating Two-Face than a Guy Pearce would. For the make-up it would be cool if they went along the lines of a Darkman look without ripping it off too much. It's more realistic sinces thats what they've been going for anyway. And NO two-sided suit. Just keep it simple. Dick Grayson/Robin (IF he should come along): Emile Hirsch. Seeing him in the Emperors Club he's always seemed like a Dick Grayson to me. Plus he's definately proven himself to be a genuine ACTOR instead of a self-absorbed, pretty face or 'it-boy' playing half-assed 'bad-boys' in teeny-bop slasher flicks. (GAAAAWD I hated House of Wax!) We don't need another Chris O'Donnell here. Robin should actually be a KID this time around and not some 'rebel' 25-year-old on a motorcycle. And no rubber body suit. His outfit should look nothing like Batman's. Maybe something along the lines of a Legalos from LOTR (I mean his outfit from the early days always did kind of resemble that of an elf. Thus the Legalos referance.) And one last thing. I hope they either kill off Katie Holmes or just not include her in the sequels. She's seemed to water down every piece of footage I've seen on this film with her flimsy, Dawson's Creek, 'the man I loved' bullshit acting. Besides which Bruce Wayne/Batman never really did have a 'one' true love in the comics outside of Catwoman herself. I hope she doesn't bring this movie down in any way. I'm out.
If these trailers don't give you goosebumps, then you TRULY are by Fish Tank	May 12th, 2005 08:54:12 PM

This movie is going to kick arse by DR mandrake	May 12th, 2005 08:58:29 PM
and to those of you saying that Katie is ugly - stfu
by PMK	May 12th, 2005 09:00:41 PM

is this the post to win Batman's clothes? by PMK	May 12th, 2005 09:01:05 PM
hmmm?
P.S... by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	May 12th, 2005 09:07:12 PM
Awesome fucking trailer. It wipes its ass with the other one that just came out. They probably should have released that one in the first place to be honest.
Moviemack, if the Fan Club handed out flyers at the local Walmar by Fish Tank	May 12th, 2005 09:08:20 PM

moviemack by The Librarian	May 12th, 2005 09:17:47 PM
you`re not a mack, you`re wasting your time talking to us geeks. come "june 200" we`re all going to be wondering what the fuck happened in the time continuum. everyone else, the batmobile rules because it is practical. as for the rubber suit, that`s as real as you get and i should know- i wear almost the exact same thing every night when i leap across roof tops battling crime. so eat me.
It puts the Gordon on the screen... by Neosamurai85	May 12th, 2005 09:17:53 PM
or else it sees me mean and GREEN! That's all I got to say about that. Peace.
Mr_Miracle by Blarneyman	May 12th, 2005 09:37:37 PM
I read your response wrong. I apologise.
Am I the only one sceptical? by Overgod	May 12th, 2005 09:41:23 PM
The action scenes look repetitive and mundane...been-there-done-that type fare...The dialogue also seems a bit pretentious and high brow...I dont hear anything memorable thusfar...We will see what happens i guess.
Looks Good by Barron34	May 12th, 2005 09:42:45 PM
The new trailer looks better than the previous ones. Finally, we get to see some action, and Gotham is starting to look good, less mundane than it has in the prior trailers. I am becoming more hopeful and excited about this movie.
The summer movie by Sicuv Uyall	May 12th, 2005 09:47:01 PM
This will so kick Revenge of the Shit's ass!!
"With Karate I'll kick your ass...." by FrogDaddy	May 12th, 2005 10:03:45 PM
I have that Tenacious D song playing in my head when I see that retarded Ninja...I know I'm like three hours late on that topic, but shit was that funny! Maybe it's Jack Black in an uncredited cameo?
Moviemack is on crack by Sorkin	May 12th, 2005 10:23:02 PM
Lord of the Rings isn't bigger then star wars, they are about on the same level. Oh yeah, and batman isn't bigger then either of them, he's a comic book character, and he happens to be the coolest one at that. Whole diffrent thing.
batsuit origin...again by silentjay	May 12th, 2005 10:54:30 PM
Some effer in a way early, circa first trailer post, hammered me for pointing out that Bruce takes some of his batsuit ideas from the warriors/clumsy ninjas he sees out on his odyssey to Tibet or wherever. Take a look at the gauntlets on the ninjas. See anything famaliar? Try not to look at the blooper...I win.
Moviemack is just a poor soul that's crying out for attention... by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 10:55:39 PM
probably because his daddy made him play "find the happy snake" too many times.Learn a new tune already,Mack. No one cares about your opinion. You say the same thing every post. What do you hope to achieve by saying the same damn things about the movie you haven't even seen over and over and over. And now you are saying that whoever thinks this movie will be good isn't a true fan?! What kind of statement is that? Any true fan would see ANY batman movie just to give it a chance. But you know what? Even if this movie ROCKS (which it probably will)I know you won't admit you were wrong. Your ego is too big and your mouth is even bigger. So why don't you just shut your mouth until June 15. Or kill yourself. Either way we will all be happier.
also, moviemack(and miracle. who is the same person)... by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:00:00 PM
Both IGN, Ain't it cool(yes, this site. and i don't mean the fake review),Batman on film, latino review, and many other respectable sites have given the script a great review. So I think I'll trust them over an annoying loudmouth tard like yourself. 'Nuff Said.
CRASH? by Ribbons	May 12th, 2005 11:00:41 PM
As in the movie written and directed by that guy who wrote 'Million Dollar Baby?' As in the movie with the tagline "everyone collides at the speed of life?" As in the movie where Don Cheadle drops pearls of wisdom like "we miss that touch so much we CRASH (ooh, see what he did there?) into one another just so that we can feel something?" No thanks. If you wanna sell the movie, you're gonna have to do better than "you all suck and that's why you won't have seen it." And, if you don't care enough to do anything remotely resembling that, then shut up about it. But what am I saying? We get it: your shit doesn't stink. Your schtick is about as interesting as this movie you've waged a holy war against.
Oh I get it...moviemack is a hippie by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:03:07 PM
"You live in anti-art, corporate-rules times".Maybe he really is on crack. You're a funny, funny man, Mack. Retarded and an annoying one note tard, but funny.
challenge away, moviemack by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:04:20 PM
bring it on, funny man.
do you piss yourself often moviemack? by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:05:21 PM
crybabies tend to do that
and how do YOU own the definition of "true" fan? by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:07:43 PM
What have you done that makes you such a big Batman fan? Cry about movies that you haven't seen. Funny, funny man.
the only reason I read these Batman posts... by adambalm	May 12th, 2005 11:08:06 PM
...is for Moviemack, Miracle and JDaniel P and the ensuing chaos. This is how AICN used to be, where the talkbacks were more entertaining than the actual articles (er, often, the movies they were about too.)
Canned weight. by Christopher3	May 12th, 2005 11:09:06 PM
Such a yooj phan. Katie Holmes is hot and has a great body; so what if sometimes she looks like a little kid? She's supposed to be the girl next door. With a great body. Bale's fine - the lispy accent's goofy, but he's physically perfect and I buy him as sufficiently obtuse and outsider-ish to make the character psychologically believable. I'm glad WB did not go with Gyllenhaal. The suit will always sacrifice a bit of functionality for the "look"; the guy's supposed to resemble a bat, for chrissakes. The tech is cool, but it's much more practical to confine the electro-fabric concept to the cape; it's supposed to transform from something flexible that drapes and flutters dramatically into a rigid flying wing. Current technology takes care of the bulletproof aspects of the suit itself. The trailers are great; I love the fact that the teaser didn't even hint that it was a Batman movie until the last few seconds, and I love even more that the final trailers give nothing of the actual plot away (other than the standard, well-worn pre-Goyer mythic elements). I even like the earth-toned color pallette. Kudos to the WB for staying the fuck out of Nolan's way. I'm looking forward to June 15.
Macky wants a cracker by Sorkin	May 12th, 2005 11:11:07 PM
What I love is how kdog and the rest are so schooling your ass, you could at least take some time and come up wiht a clever comback, after all you really don't have any other reason to be here, do you mack?
I also love how you avioded my other post about the script revie by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:11:49 PM
it seems all you can do is just say that someone is an idiot. Look I can do it too. IDIOT. wow. I feel almost as cool as moviemack now.
when did i say "I challenge you, infinity, na-na-nana-na"? by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:13:56 PM
I just said that I accept your challenge. Backing out already?
I didn't know anything about Haggis' political affiliations by Ribbons	May 12th, 2005 11:14:13 PM
Nice try, jackass.
Fine by Ribbons	May 12th, 2005 11:15:54 PM
If people throw feces at me, so be it. I (sort of) stood up for you when the last trailer came out, although you were conspicuously absent.
If I am a two year old, atleast I see movies first before damnin by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:17:15 PM
You funny funny man. And I also know more words than idiot and horse, unlike someone I know.
BOOM! by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	May 12th, 2005 11:19:05 PM
Did anyone else notice that P.O.D. sounding BOOM when the Batmobile kicked up during the test drive? I think it's all just in my head. I really hope they didn't stoop that low when editing this trailer. That would hinder the trailer a little bit for me. Even more than Katie Holmes already does, but still excellent regardless.
Also (like anyone cares), that trailer was not better than the l by Ribbons	May 12th, 2005 11:20:27 PM

actually the review on Batman on Film is from someone that did s by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:20:53 PM
and how are webbloggers from respectable sites any worse than your tired shit? And IGN isn't a weblogger site, you tard. And even though Ribbons is on your side, atleast he isn't as annoying you you are, funny man.
ok moviemack, i'm done playing with you... by kdog69	May 12th, 2005 11:23:04 PM
anytime you want to challenge me to bat-fan stuff feel free, but now I'm just bored with you. See you around, funny man.
I hate to sound like a fucking guidence counselor but don't you by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	May 12th, 2005 11:37:35 PM

brobdingnag by Ribbons	May 12th, 2005 11:46:24 PM
Well, if you're looking for excitement, I guess you can't compete with a movie where Batman fights Alien. "Dead End" sucked too though.
moviemack by Ribbons	May 12th, 2005 11:49:52 PM
You'll probably get some converts by the time this movie's been released. People are so deliriously optimistic about this that some of them are bound to be disappointed. I have my doubts for a lot of reasons that either you or other people have enumerated over and over again, so I'll lay off them because hey, if they wanna be excited, whatever. But if someone wants to know specifically what I think about it looks dodgy I'd be happy to tell them.
Fine by me by Ribbons	May 13th, 2005 12:00:04 AM
I'd rather not be Public Enemy No. 2, anyway, so I've got no problem with staying out of it.
Here's an idea... by sundancekeed	May 13th, 2005 12:02:57 AM
Why don't we wait until the fucking movie comes OUT before we decide whether it's shit or roses? Just a thought, doncha know.....
Here's an idea... by Ribbons	May 13th, 2005 12:09:28 AM
...why don't you look up what the word "doubts" means in the fucking dictionary? Just a thought, doncha know.....
Doubts are fine by sundancekeed	May 13th, 2005 12:17:14 AM
as well as hoping the film will be a success. But unless you've actually SEEN the movie already, we're all basically just guessing on what it's going to be like. Frankly, I'd rather just see the damned thing and decide for myself.
Yeah by Ribbons	May 13th, 2005 12:22:31 AM
I know, I know. But when people start hassling me because they took my post the wrong way it pisses me off.
I'M PRETTY DAMN SURE THAT THE NINJA IS ACTUALLY... by Pedadolfo	May 13th, 2005 12:23:37 AM
Bruce Wayne, in one of those stupid but funny "hero-in-development-peter-par ker-hits-building-while-swings -for-the-first-time" kind of scene. I bet on it. People will laugh their ass out on the theaters when they watch this. Some may even praise it as the movie's best scene. I have not a single doubt about that.
Seriously... by JTBKSC	May 13th, 2005 12:25:32 AM
I don't see what all the hubbub is about. Looks pretty lame to me. Of course, I'm THRILLED they kept the big rubber cowl (how can he hear in that thing?) and, of course, the eye make-up... may as well have kept the nipples. Well, at least we have sin city.
Ribbons by sundancekeed	May 13th, 2005 12:28:32 AM
First of all, I wasn't commenting on your post. I was talking about the entire argument going on; i.e. "it's gonna suck" "it's gonna rule" And moviemack, I've seen the same promotional materials and trailers that you have. I think they've actually done a good job with the trailers in NOT releasing the entire plot of the movie, as so many trailers now tend to do. I didn't read the script because I chose not to. Same reason I tend to avoid reviews with too many spoilers. What's the point of seeing the film if you already know what's going to happen in it? Seems rather redundant. Now, I'm not talking about repeated viewings of something that you enjoy, but why take away the experience of actually seeing something new?
Okay, mack--I get it. by sundancekeed	May 13th, 2005 12:38:24 AM

I think this movie will surprise alot of folks who are expecting by Jon_Snow	May 13th, 2005 12:39:05 AM

Okay Mack--I get it by sundancekeed	May 13th, 2005 12:40:09 AM
Hit the post button by mistake. What I MEANT to say is, I understand now. You're not interested in actually discussing something. You just get off on being a dick. My bad.
No thanks... by sundancekeed	May 13th, 2005 01:01:01 AM
I'd rather sit back and watch you continue to make an ass out of yourself. I've always been in favor of someone realizing their potential. Carry on.
kdog69 and Nosferatu Jones are the same person! by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 01:29:17 AM
They agree! They agree! Yaaaaaay! They agree! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I read the leaked script and I think the leaked script sucked. I keep seeing these trailers and pictures that have all this shit that was in the awful leaked script I read. Harry says the Batman Begins script was good? So did IGN? Well, I'll bet Harry and IGN fucking LOVED Magnolia. I didn't. Does that make me wrong? Nooooo. It's called an opinion, fuckwit. Nobody is telling your naive ass to shut the fuck up because you think Batman Begins looks good. Teaching critical thinking skills in public schools is HIGHLY underrated. You can enjoy rubber suits, stupid looking unBatmobile, eye makeup and Batman's girlfriend all you like. I or moviemack isn't telling you to shut the fuck and stop being so positive. Sure, when the movie comes out, we'll see who's right. But to call for a hiatus on all discussions of the merits of an upcoming film until it is released is just absolutely, completely and undeniably retarded. You might as well expect Harry to cease with all movie news in lieu of a reviews only site.
Moviemack Begins by Mafu	May 13th, 2005 01:33:47 AM
No one who contributes to these AICN talkbacks will ever vanquish movimack and his mythological cantankerousness. Don't even try, people. Moviemack exists, he thinks, he has opinions, he won't ever be cowed into submission. He's a lot like Batman, in fact... maybe that's why he knows so much about the dark knight. Is moviemack the Batman of AICN talkbacks? Fighting to uphold truth and justice when every talkbacker is marshalling against him? Hmmm...
kudos on another fun talkback Mack... by Anlashok	May 13th, 2005 01:49:15 AM
I agree with him and Mr Miracle regarding the recent footage. There's a whole lot of Goyer's script in those shots, I thought most of that crap was supposed to be purged? Someone at top said that this latest trailer should solidify how people feel about the film, he's right, I am now firmly embedded in the "meh" camp. I will give it to Nolan though, he sure is a capable director, but I got more thrills watching the "Grayson" fan trailer then anything I've seen from this production thus far.
ss by flyingchachis	May 13th, 2005 01:49:30 AM
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Thanks, moviemack by Mafu	May 13th, 2005 01:59:30 AM
Although I'm now a target, I appreciate the disclaimer you wrote. Maybe I should start a local chapter of CFPOCWMABBMSYDNWTBLIWMAH/HI?
QQQuestion.... by panzar	May 13th, 2005 02:00:05 AM
why is Gabriel Byrne's doing Late Late Night?....???
Which means... by Mafu	May 13th, 2005 02:00:46 AM
"Citizens For The Protection Of Other Citizens Who Might Agree BATMAN BEGINS Might Suck Yet Do Not Want To Be Lumped In With Moviemack And His / Her Ilk"
that's "COUNTRY".... by panzar	May 13th, 2005 02:04:59 AM
'neck...
its all... by panzar	May 13th, 2005 02:17:41 AM
about the lisp if u ask me...
"If you don't share my opinion, you are a sheep who can't think by Oski	May 13th, 2005 02:29:26 AM
Am I the only one who finds this shit hilarious?
Uh, OilCanBody? by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 02:37:46 AM
Were you trying to make yourself seem less stupid? Or more stupid?
BroncoFan wins! by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 03:03:56 AM
Wow, and I thought OilCanBoyd won. It's sad really, because you're probably in Colorado, like I am, and I wish you didn't represent 95% of the dumb fucks who live in this state, but you do. You're just a big fucking hat-waving shit-kicking walking talking caricature, aren't you? Who the fuck was talking about politics, retard? Who the fuck brought up gay marriage? Dummy. But what would I know? I live in Boulder.
I think we should all just ignore him... by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 03:17:19 AM
BroncoFan's just a pathetic loser that nobody listens to in the real world and this is how he gets attention. Putting all that time and effort behind multiple screen names just to be a bigot on a movie geek website? Total psychopath.
Okay. Everyone repeat after me. by L.H.Puttgrass	May 13th, 2005 03:27:40 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh!!!!!!!!! Oh! Oh!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH HH!!!! I HOPE CHRIS NOLAN SLIDES UNDER A GAS TRUCK AND TASTES HIS OWN BLOOD!!!! OH!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOHHHHHHHH!!!! There! Dontcha feel GOOD?!? Is it all out of your system? All that fanboy "This-movie's-gonna-suck" hatred? Good. Hey moviemack, did you say, "See it or don't. Doesn't really matter."? Eh? That's kind of the point, isn't it? If you haven't seen it, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT! You know damn well that there is a long list of movies where the promotional blitz (trailers, posters, etc.) and the actual movie sit at opposite ends of the Quality Scale. Real good trailer, crappy movie. Crappy trailer, real good movie. Hell, I've seen trailers where even the bits that worked in the trailer fell flat in the movie. So ultimately, it's the trailer that doesn't matter. You'll never know if the trailer truely represents the movie till you see it. And you WILL see it. Yes, that's right. One way or another this movie will get your dollar moviemack. Dispite all your belly-aching, you'll see it. If you don't see it in the theater, there's Blockbuster or Netflix. Even if you wait for HBO they'll still get you with that monthly cable bill. What's that? Not even HBO? Not a worry. Seven years from now you'll be surfing the cable channels on your X-BOX 720 (tm) and you'll run across Batman Begins on TBS-15. It's 11:30 pm and you're tired and you figure "Aw what the hell!" so you start watching it. 10 minutes into it they go to commercial and there you are, sitting in the middle of 12.1 THX 2 Hi-Def Sound in front of a 115 inch HD-TV screen watching that fucking CGI Geico (tm) gecko do the robot for a full 30 seconds. Now that my friend, is paying for it. Just go enjoy it at the movies instead.
Homosexual issues in my past? by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 03:32:01 AM
OilCan, you're a clown. Who called you a Nazi in this talkback besides yourself? You brought up politics in a Batman Begins talkback for no reason other than to identify yourself as a Republican. And a "nazi fuck." Hey, you know what? I went to Oxford. Does that make me any more or less right than you? Nah. It just means I can say it on an internet bulletin board. I especially like how you call yourself "pro-gay" and then you imply that I have homosexual issues in my past, which you clearly meant as a negative. You're just like BroncoFan, in fact. I'd suggest that you two go out on a date together, but I know how against that you'll both be. Maybe not BroncoFan, though. He apparently wants me to be his bitch and gargle his throat yogurt and toss his salad, which sounds pretty gay.
Aw fer Christ's sake! by L.H.Puttgrass	May 13th, 2005 03:46:33 AM
You people have slid from Batman's-gonna-suck to political bullshit!! There's no help for ya!! (Please insert this month's favorite expletive HERE.) ASSHATS!!
That's Mr. PUTTGRASS to you. by L.H.Puttgrass	May 13th, 2005 03:51:50 AM
ASSHAT! (How would that look, anyway? It would definitely be wider than the average hat.)
Aw, don't get mad, Bronc... by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 04:16:17 AM
I'm just quoting you. You told me to toss your salad. I, for one, hope you don't get banned. I hope they let you stick around so you can demonstrate how stupid you are to as many people as possible.
with eye makeup, moviemack... by kintar0	May 13th, 2005 04:17:25 AM
don't forget the eye make up...
Looks awful... by Mike Lovestein	May 13th, 2005 04:59:18 AM
I want to be excited about this film, but from all the trailers I've seen, this movie looks like a boring overcooked piece of dog shit. And when did Katie Holmes turn into a haggard dog? She used to be kinda cute. Shouldn't of made her the love interest. Hope it bombs. Big time. p.s. crappy batman films from Joel Schumacher and Christopher Nolan have made me appreciate what Tim Burton did with the first two films.
hey moviemack! I said that if you want to challenge me then brin by kdog69	May 13th, 2005 05:06:18 AM
Did I say that your problems with the film were't in the trailers? No. Learn to read, tard. I just said that I was tired of your relentless bitching and I think you need to watch the damn movie before you go on ranting. I also think that your opinion is just shitty anyway, so whether or not you read the script doesn't matter to me at all. I was just tired of going back and forth with you since your ego is so big that it doesn't even matter. Unlike you, I don't spend my whole day bitching about movies that I haven't seen on the internet. Just count how many posts you have on this talkback alone compared to everyone else's. Damn you're pathetic. To quote Ice-T "You're a punk, your daddy's a punk, and your mamma's a bitch". I wouldn't even talk to you if I wasn't sick of you shutting down everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion on the movie like a spoiled child. Just state you opinion and move on you funny man.
Don't worry about moviemack, guys... by kdog69	May 13th, 2005 05:08:31 AM
It's just that time of the month.
Broncofan by vertigo93	May 13th, 2005 06:04:07 AM
What an ignorant, hateful cunt you are
Broncofan... by Gym	May 13th, 2005 06:53:42 AM
Are you a biblical literalist, perchance?
Shit, got this total Spidey One Feeling by GoldenDeity	May 13th, 2005 07:02:32 AM
This movie's just gonna be one long introduction, yeah? And all the bat stuff crammed into the last twenty minutes? Still looking forward to it though.
GALLO=JOKER by patrickbateman42	May 13th, 2005 08:55:03 AM
vincent gallo must be cast as joker!!! he has the face, the acting skills, and when that guys gets angry you really feel it. whoever gets cast for the job, im always gonna say,'gallo wouldve been better'. i cant wait til they announce who is cast, im just praying they see sense and pick vincent.
Every message board has a loveable curmudgeon... and thus we ha by Jon_Snow	May 13th, 2005 09:09:04 AM

I can't belive how this thread has degenerated by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 09:20:59 AM
I was going to put in my two cents on a neglected subject: Scarecrow and how happy I am that he's being stuffed by Ireland's very own Cillian Murphy, soon to be seen as a transvestite in Neil Jordan's Breakfast on Pluto, which was shooting at my local pub here in County Wicklow. He's fantastic and can wipe the floor with Colin 'eyebrows' Farrell and his highlights. Then I stumble over this insane moron Broncofan, who appears to spend most of his free time writing rubbish and getting booted off boards and then getting new handles and getting booted. Hs anybodt evetr had such a meaningless, pathetic existence? These boards are oceans of jabber, nobody reads them to learn anything. Broncofan, who sounds like a stalinist communist ('You are a disgrace to the party, you cowardly swine') spends his life shouting abuse into a black hole, usually off-topic. Oh and I'm gay too (as is Colin Farrell, rumour has it) and I'm celebrating ten years of monogamous fun with my American boyfriend this July. While Broncofan screams into the void, we spent the last three months in South America. Fuck him, everything he says reiterates his utter lack of anything resembling a life, sexual release or the presence of love between him and his parents when he was a baby.
Broncofan: Biblical literalist by Gym	May 13th, 2005 09:28:35 AM
Sound. Just wondered.
Right. by Gym	May 13th, 2005 09:30:40 AM
Of course, that was before you posted the old testament.
Oh, Westboro Baptist Filth by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 09:40:40 AM
I knew you were scum, but rabid dogs avoid Fred Phelps and his mad mad mad group. And don't quote that silly book of sandbox myths at me. We've dumped the catholic Church here in Ireland, gay marriage should be on the statute books by early next year. You are a loser, sir, a pitiful reactionary clown from a disfunctional family, pathologically addicted to flaunting your mental disorders in public, if one can call these babble-arenas 'public'. And I'm happy, well-travelled, highly-educated, happily engaged and much in demand at parties.
Sepulchrave by Gym	May 13th, 2005 09:42:55 AM
Is that the church where the locals wrote in and told the priest he was "going to hell like father ted" because he allowed the film to be shot there?
Does Broncoman sound like he's heavenbound himself? by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 09:45:35 AM
Don't closet homosexuals make the most virlent homophobes. They get aroused by the idea of other men's cocks, so they fixate on anal sex, particularly poop, in vain efforts to keep their chubbies down, conveniently ignoring the fact that 75% of anal sex is practised between men and women and is also desegnated as 'sodomy' by the bible, along with blow-jobs (male-female) and cunnilingus (male-female). If you have any kind of a sex life worth boasting about, then you are off to hell. Of course, this doesn't apply to Broncoman, who is probably a lonely internet porn addict who has yanked himself sick five times already today.
I shouldn't be bothering with this... by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 09:48:03 AM
Leviticus 20:13 states: "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death....". The passage is surrounded by prohibitions against incest, bestiality, adultery and intercourse during a woman's period. But this verse is the only one in the series which uses the religious term abomination; it seems also to be directed against temple prostitution. These passages are part of the Jewish Holiness Code which also: permits polygamy prohibits sexual intercourse when a woman has her period, bans tattoos prohibits eating rare meat bans wearing clothes that are made from a blend of textiles prohibits cross-breeding livestock bans sowing a field with mixed seed prohibits eating pigs, rabbits, or some forms of seafood requires Saturday to be reserved as the Sabbath Churches have abandoned the Holiness Code; it is no longer binding on modern-day Christians. They can wear tattoos, eat shrimp, wear polyester-cotton blends and engage in temple prostitution without violating this particular section of the Bible. Although this code is obsolete for Christians, many clergy still focus on those passages which deal with homosexuality.[1]
This conversation, if that's what you call it, is over by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 09:54:51 AM
See message above. You sad, risible little man.
by Gym	May 13th, 2005 09:59:49 AM
Sorry, just realised that last post made litle sense. Didn't the filming of Breakfast on Pluto cause controversy when a priest allowed it to be filmed in his church? Cue irate and anonymous letters telling him he was going to hell to jion (the fictional character) Father ted. Great to be Irish.
by Jaffa8	May 13th, 2005 10:00:43 AM
yea...like we need another telling of the Batman origin.....gaynesss....NOT FIRST!!!
ok, I know I'm late in the game here, but I just watched the nin by TV CASUALTY	May 13th, 2005 10:00:52 AM
... and I fucking DIED laughing. That was fantastic.
i dunno moviemack , crash sounds a bit like cheese to me - nice by ScaryJim	May 13th, 2005 10:04:52 AM
Skin flicks Los Angeles is fertile ground for a movie about race, as Crash proves. But a better film was made 32 years ago John Patterson Friday May 13, 2005 The Guardian Collision course: Matt Dillon and Thandie Newton in Crash The Flatlands, East LA, Chinatown, Koreatown, Thai Town, Little Tokyo, Little Armenia, Compton, Watts, South Central, Inglewood, Pico-Rivera, the Hollywood Hills, the Valley, Santa Monica, Venice. Unless you live in Los Angeles, these are merely place names. If you do live here, the names evoke something much darker than mere multicultural diversity: the patchwork mosaic of racial difference and division - produced over a century by a white-supremacist police force, aggressive gerrymandering, bone-deep institutional racism, and a real-estate culture long in thrall to the profits to be made from "white flight" - that has long made Los Angeles the most segregated and racially tense American city west of the Mississippi. Article continues ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -------------------- ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -------------------- Some of this complexity is to be detected in Paul Haggis's new movie Crash, in which every single encounter between the members of a large and diverse cast is predicated on one form or another of racial resentment, hatred or misunderstanding. The DA and his supremely uptight wife (Brendan Fraser and Sandra Bullock, the latter quite splendid) are carjacked by two ghetto boys (Larenz Tate and rapper Ludacris). Ludacris asks why people in an all-white neighbourhood should be afraid of them, the only black people in sight. "Why aren't we the ones to be afraid?" he asks. "Because we have guns," is Tate's memorable retort, and the jacking is under way. Elsewhere Matt Dillon plays a racist cop who takes out his rage on a black TV director (Terrence Howard) and his light-skinned wife (Thandie Newton). Asians are all "Chinamen" to the carjackers, but a splenetic Korean woman threatens to "call immigration" on Jennifer Esposito's Puerto Rican detective, who's at odds with her lover, fellow cop Don Cheadle, for calling her "a white woman" and then "Mexican". Everyone's doing it, and it becomes wearying after a while, especially as almost every character finally undergoes a moment of clarity and attempts to mend his or her ways towards the end. Shallow points are made and remade, albeit often within beautifully written scenes of great dramatic power. In the end Haggis's dependence on a worldview exclusively, almost neurotically, defined by race begins to undermine all his points. There was relief from all this to be found this week in a rare showing of Killer of Sheep, a movie made and shot entirely within Watts during the early 1970s by black director Charles Burnett. This is one of the most famous and well regarded of American "lost" movies - I've only ever seen it twice, 20 years apart - and it's never been properly released, as Burnett was unable to license his amazing soundtrack of gospel, R&B and soul classics. Burnett was a film student at UCLA during the 1970s, and he made Killer of Sheep on weekends throughout 1972-3. He adapted the principles of Italian neo-realism to depict the neighbourhood he grew up in, casting amateurs and children, shooting in real places and seeking to make the film look as improvised and unscripted as possible, even though every shot was heavily predetermined. Never was a foreign filmic style so successfully redeployed as here: Watts in the years after the 1965 uprising was a field of rubble beset by the bitterest kind of poverty - all the result of the federal policy known, grotesquely, as "Benign Neglect". His Watts looks uncannily like parts of Berlin or Rome in Germany: Year Zero or Rome: Open City, destroyed already or on the verge of breaking down entirely. Because its cast is all black, there is little in the movie about racism per se. Burnett merely observes, in his profoundly poetic manner, the consequences of being left behind, the factories gone, the black family undermined by poverty and a brutal environment. Stan, the title character, works in a slaughterhouse and Burnett subtly links the fate of the sheep he kills with the destiny of the people he lives among. Thom Anderson, who uses Killer of Sheep as the emotional and political climax of his essay-film Los Angeles Plays Itself, rightly speaks of the "incremental genocide of America's surplus former slave population" as the movie's real theme. But its other theme, and one missing from Crash, is of stoic endurance as the anteroom to possible transcendence, and of the importance of tiny moments of happiness. Viewers will not soon forget the marvellous shot of children, seen from below, as they leap gracefully from the roof of one apartment building to another, or the shot of Stan dancing with his sexually frustrated wife as Dinah Washington sings This Bitter Earth. Burnett's combination of the raw and the tender summons Terence Davies to mind, or the overrated David Gordon Green, whose reputation will, I hope, deflate once his fans see how much he stole from Killer of Sheep for his George Washington. This may happen soon, as Milestone Video is clearing the disputed music rights to facilitate a DVD release. Killer of Sheep would look good on a double-bill with Crash - as a deeply felt, pre-emptive retort to its simplistic race-based worldview and as a supremely moving piece of homemade African-American cinematic poetry.
I wasn't actually here for the shoot... by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 10:09:16 AM
...but it does sound like the kind of thing that might happen around here. Our local priests are a decent bunch, the one who named me has known about my sexuality for years and has always been a perfect gentleman. Oddly, though the Church is ever more conservative, individual priests can be quite maverick in their attitudes to women, gays and contraception. Just don't tell the bishop. there's really no grassroots opposition to gay union in Ireland, either from the Church or from society at large. And they're not ALL paedos, not like this bunch: http://www.armchairsubversive. com/ Anyway, back to the Bat, isn't Gary Oldman supposed to be in this as well? Another snake-eyed psycho-genius, Murphy, Bale and he make quite a nice trio. Did you notice, in that harru Potter movie, that Cuaron had engineered a Mike Leigh reunion? I hadn't seen Gary Oldman, David Thewlis and Timothy Spall together for twenty years. Nice.
ahh by ScaryJim	May 13th, 2005 10:11:09 AM
i see a more important issue has raised it's head . Strange lad you are bronco fan . Or to be more precise ' a bit of a cunt'
Yeah.. by Gym	May 13th, 2005 10:14:28 AM
Never seen anyone so worried about everyone elses cocks.
lol by ScaryJim	May 13th, 2005 10:14:39 AM
forgot to get the return ticket back to the 1980's did you ?
Michael Sheen for the Joker by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 10:17:09 AM
raising voice slightly Do you think that Vincent Gallo would actually get off his high horse long enough to participate in anything as relentlessly bourgoise as a BATMAN movie? He was pretty cool when his Brown Bunny film got slammed to smithereens and I think he may indeed be that most rare of combinations; a bundle of real talent almost insane with ambition. I guess at least someone has to be American in these films. Otherwise I'd push Michael Sheen for the young Joker. Sheen (not Martin) was the vampire bad guy in the dreadful Underworld with Kate Beckinsale. He's a thin, transparent genius with eyes like Margaret Thatcher. Played a wonedrful caligula, an amazing Tony Blair and the best Hamlet of my lifetime so far.
by ScaryJim	May 13th, 2005 10:17:38 AM
that being directed to Bronco fan
Feels past-esque, alright by Gym	May 13th, 2005 10:18:13 AM
No doubt the commies will be invading soon, coming to take away his guns.
I have to thank BroncoFan... by Childe Roland	May 13th, 2005 10:24:48 AM
...for coming to the talkback. Seriously, I was going to waste a minute or two typing to moviemack about how scary he's starting to sound, what with all the fingers-in-his-ears "I don't care if I haven't seen it, I know I hate it and nothing could possibly change my mind!" ranting about Batman Begins he continues to do. But then I saw what a true idiot's rantings looked like and it reminded me that there are bigger problems to overcome in this world we share. So rant on, moviemack. It's your right and I respect that. But can we at least agree that someone in tight fitting pajamas or a rubber muscle suit should bend BroncoFan over a copy of the constitution and make him recite the preamble while buggering him with a fire snorting horse's cock? Either one of them can wear the burlap sack. The overall effect would still be sublime.
Sheen by Gym	May 13th, 2005 10:31:05 AM
Wasn't the vampire bad guy in Underworld Bill Nighy? I remember so little of that film, bar the disappoinment at how shit the hybrid looked in the end. And being bored.
Continues raising voice politely by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 10:36:11 AM
The thiong about Michael Sheen, apart from possibly being the best classical actor of his generation, is that he barely needs make-up to play the joker, apart from the huge, apparently lidless eyes and the translucent skin, his head actually tapers dramatically towards his pointed chin and his over-sculpted little girl's mouth has an nasty habit of cracking open into a wide sharkish grin, a wall of slightly stained English teeth. And he's exactly the right age, about ten years older than Bale. Here's an appropriate photo http://www.portal.telegraph.co .uk/arts/graphics/2003/05/02/l ig.jpg
Hmmm.. by Gym	May 13th, 2005 10:39:01 AM
I see. That suggestion is not without its merits. He'd have to lose the perm, mind.
"It's only a short step from 'Tush' to 'Hey nonny Nonny!', and t by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 10:42:14 AM
Looks like Shakespeare; the big blouse is a dead giveaway. Zounds! indeed, but a touch of green hairspray...
Want to see Crispin Glover as THE JOKER? by RIVERO	May 13th, 2005 10:43:25 AM
Then sign the Petition, folks! http://www.petitiononline.com/ qp2d1234/petition.html
TB by Mafu	May 13th, 2005 10:47:27 AM
I must say that this talkback is one of the nuttiest I've read. I love it.
Petition by Gym	May 13th, 2005 10:48:17 AM
Can't fault the enthusiasm, but how seriously do you think a studio is going to take a petition? As a method of persuasion, petitions are generally as effective as sending happy thoughts.
And... by Mafu	May 13th, 2005 10:52:03 AM
Despite my best efforts, I can't help but think that moviemack is Batman. He seeks truth, he defends his positions with unbridled tenacity, and he dishes verbal whupass in a manner similar to Batman. You've got to admire that shit, even if you hate the guy.
Someone's gone quiet. Don't worry Mafu, he'll be back after he's by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 10:52:07 AM
Julian Glover is such a weirdo, who knows what he's going to do next? Did anybody catch that rat movie that he was in? 'Willard', I believe it was called. But he almost managed to save Charlie's Angels, almost. I guess you have to wait for him to arrive and harness his surreal energy when you can, like Frankenstein waiting for lightning to strike before the monster can wake up.
A Scene by Mafu	May 13th, 2005 11:06:31 AM
Night falls along a dark city street, and man sits in his office after hours posting to AICN. Internet bad guys send barrage after barrage of angry, "you suck!" sentiment his way, but as clouds roll in over the city and it starts to rain, the man in the dark city office takes on all comers, swinging his verbal blows and lances until the bad guys give up and go to bed, signing off for the night. At 3 am, having defeated his enemies, the man stands and peers into a mirror hanging on his office wall. He approaches his reflection quietly, oozing dark stealth, until his face is backlit by lights along the street outside. He turns suddenly, gazing out upon the city, and says, "I'm Moviemack."
The mack by Gym	May 13th, 2005 11:09:17 AM
Yeah, that whole broncofan debacle kinda put him in perspective, really. Fuck it, i'll still pay to see it. In the end, who's opinion can you trust but your own? (Closes the "Little Book of Pseudophilosophy" and exits)
this thread.... by Jaffa8	May 13th, 2005 11:53:51 AM
gayness...complete gayness.... FIRST FIRST!!! I'M FIRST FUCKERS!!!!
Lachy Hulme as the Joker by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx	May 13th, 2005 12:40:35 PM
...seriously. Just as long as it's not Cripin Glover.
What the fuck happened here? by mortsleam	May 13th, 2005 01:03:49 PM
Didn't get on the site yesterday, came back, checked this article to see if anyone had anything interesting to say. Of course not. Just the usual. More trolling. More flaming. More increasingly tired and unfunny political tirades and the nonstop rants of pathetic self-hating losers who have lost the ability to truly enjoy and feel positive about anything. I had to skip every other post just to find anything reading at all. There's no actual discussion here anymore. No logical debate. No sharing of ideas. Just a buch of fat sad losers masturbating onto their keyboards. If Harry has any balls, he'll shut this ufkcing shithole down on May 19 after it's reason for being is finally released, and you can all go back to the crumbling shambles of what used to be your lives. *** By the way, to stay somewhat on topic, I quite liked this latest trailer. This movie looks to live up to the promise of its cast, its writer and its director, and seems to reverse many of the sins of the past four films. I hope this franchise gets turned around, because the potential is there for a great series. I was firmly in the Crispin Glover camp, but ever since someone brought up Ed Norton, that all I can picture. They should stick to casting actors who seem to fit the part and can actually act. And Norton hasn't been doing anything of note lately, so he may jump at the chance to play such an iconic character.
Y'know, it may be a cliche... by squidhammer	May 13th, 2005 02:17:57 PM
...but it's also the truth: you can't dedicate as much time to slandering people on talkback as someone like Moviemack does, and actually get real pussy, too. I should know, I used to play this little game with you guys, and then I got kicked off AICN months ago, and now I get pussy with alarming frequency. Harry did me a favor by banning me. Moviemack, if this movie offends you so deeply, why don't you go spend your time on something actually worthwhile? Read a book that doesn't have Batman on the cover, talk to a girl that's not related to you... give the talkback a rest.
here's an idea by Bouncy X	May 13th, 2005 03:24:29 PM
instead of shutting down this talkback because of all the morons who simply troll and insult. how about setting it up so its impossible to swear. at the very least it'll show how intelligent they really are if they have to use real words to talk and even simply to insult. it could be funny.
Foul language by Sepulchrave	May 13th, 2005 04:19:02 PM
Check out the messageboards at Yahoo News. They have a profanity filter and it makes no difference people just start saying fa99ot and ni99er and fukkface and cocsucker. People are nasty.
Cynthia Rothrock as Catwoman and Hulk Hogan as the Joker ... her by Gus Nukem	May 13th, 2005 05:07:39 PM

Damn, but BroncoFan gets worked up... by Childe Roland	May 13th, 2005 05:45:33 PM
...doesn't he? I almost felt the spittle spray from that last tirade. Tell you what, tough guy: You go out and spout that hateful, ignorant bile of yours on a streetcorner in just about any major metropolitan city and we'll see how long it takes for you to get bent over -- either right there on the sidewalk or after they put you in that none-too-private-nor-anonymous holding cell. I can count the remaining minutes of your asshole's virginity on one finger. Care to guess which one?
Mafu by DocPazuzu	May 13th, 2005 05:50:24 PM
That was some funny shit. Seriously, for AICN's 10th anniversary a book needs to be published, namely Geek Apocalypse: Ten Years of Talkback. Imagine opening such a weighty tome before a crackling fire, chuckling at the rosy memories summoned by the collected wisdom of fettastic, MinasTirith, Cocolopez and moviemack. And then throwing the book on the fire.
Hey Broncofan, WHY ARE YOU HERE? by Mike Lovestein	May 13th, 2005 06:18:47 PM
This is a movie website. Don't you think what you're doing here is inappropriate. You should join a Neo-Nazi website with a chat room. You'd probably be more comfortable. To write 50 posts about why you hate homosexuals in a talkbalk forum for a trailer for a new Batman movie. Pathetic. Your life must be pretty sad.
Have you no better way to spend your time? by DennisMM	May 13th, 2005 06:28:21 PM
I throw in the occasional post in a quiet moment. What the hell do some of you frequent posters -- I won't name nicks, but you are clear as glass -- do with your lives? It's a fucking MOVIE! Also, no one cares what you think of homosexuals bedroom activities or political views, BroncoFan. Why do you feel the need to toss your opinions about on what is supposedly a movie discussion board?
oh, and while I'm here, before I go DO something by DennisMM	May 13th, 2005 06:31:01 PM
The overwhelming majority of pedophiles are heterosexual. Pedophilia is like all sexual abuse -- it's not really about the abuser's pleasure. It's about POWER.
okay, really the last one for a while by DennisMM	May 13th, 2005 06:45:32 PM
1. It's funny that a supporter of Bush should call his opponents fascists. Fascism is a system in which all are expected to agree with the government, supposedly for the good of all. Those who do not face social and legal penalties. Bush said, if you're not with us, you're with the enemies. That is fascism. 2. Bush's presidency was due 100% to the courts making law: The Supreme Court had NO authority in the case, and even if it did, four of the nine justices should have recused themselves because of monetary or direct political ties to Bush. 3. Prove God exists. Show your work. You have 15 minutes and may not refer to the Bible as a primary source. 4. If Heaven is reserved for people who "accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior," I'd rather hang out in Hell with the billions of charitable, wonderful non-Christians who were unjustly condemned by God.
For fans of the Retarded Ninja... by CommanderJesus	May 13th, 2005 07:18:09 PM
Check it out. You have to click on the file icon and let it download. But I'd be happy if somebody else wanted to host it in a way that was less, well, retarded: http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.c om/bc/leigth@sbcglobal.net/vwp 2?.tok=bcHfTUVB1LosxlQq&.dir=/ Retarded+Ninja&.dnm=RetardedNi nja.mov&.src=bc
Also... by CommanderJesus	May 13th, 2005 07:41:48 PM
If you back up to the parent folder, there's another version up because someone suggested it.
The kind of virus that's a Quicktime file. by CommanderJesus	May 13th, 2005 07:48:44 PM

Is this a BATMAN talkback? by -guyinthebackrow	May 13th, 2005 08:44:09 PM
Um... okay...
File on YouSendIt.com by CommanderJesus	May 13th, 2005 09:37:04 PM
Here we go: http://s29.yousendit.com/d.asp x?id=3B3O4MXYM1XXO2C8KTU4T86ZG W
BroncoFan by Sorkin	May 13th, 2005 10:17:53 PM
See, I just want to make two points. Number one, if I ever saw you running towards my car, I'de fucking pull out a taser and shock your ass, and two, the bible also tells you to stone anyone who works on sundays. So using a book that was clearly written by a bunch stupid old men as your moral grounds is something you might want to think about. Just a thought anyways.
Just Ignore BroncoFaggot by Mike Lovestein	May 13th, 2005 10:30:36 PM
All this guy wants is attention. Just stop replying to him and he will get bored and go away. Hey BroncoFaggot, why don't you get a fucking life? I bet you've never even kissed a girl.
Mike lovetein by Sorkin	May 13th, 2005 10:40:11 PM
your totally right, I second the motion to have no one respond to bronco fan.
I bet BroncoFan tanks before he can get to the car by Terminator

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