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HAUTE TENSION transmorgrifies into HIGH TENSION leaving only your favorite form of frenching behind!!!

is this dubbing actually new? by gerardcox	Apr 21st, 2005 06:37:07 AM
'cause I already saw it dubbed in 2003. Mind you, that was in Belgium, where French is a national language, so it's perfectly understandable that it was dubbed of course...
It's in my country available on DVD... by DerLanghaarige	Apr 21st, 2005 06:38:39 AM
and it sucks! And not only because the german DVD is strong cut!
That trailer stinks and I don't like it by mascan	Apr 21st, 2005 06:46:29 AM
Bring back the Sonic Youth song from the first trailer.
Disney has done great dubs for the Miyazaki films by Demosthenes2	Apr 21st, 2005 06:52:46 AM
That's about it as far as any decent dubs out there I can think of. It certainly helps when it's animated. I believe I watched Crouching Tiger's English dub for a bit and wasn't offended by it but still preferred the subtitles there.
Dubbing by GenericJokeName	Apr 21st, 2005 06:57:38 AM
Lest we forget most american films are released in europe dubbed and it doesn't seem to be that big an issue.
hmm thoughts after watching the trailer by Demosthenes2	Apr 21st, 2005 06:58:41 AM
I miss the crazy usage of the "Don't You Remember You Told Me You Loved Me Baby" cover in the first trailer, well I'm sure that's not the name of the song but whatever. Does anybody else ever feel like voice-over actors for dubs feel like they have to energize their voices too much, almost cartoonishly, just because they can't physically perform and want to put all their energy into rounding their voice instead? It just sounds too Stepford Wife.
We saw this at BNAT and... by 433	Apr 21st, 2005 08:25:34 AM
...it's terrible. It starts out great, continues to be great, and then makes a hard left turn that not only makes no sense, it makes the rest of the movie not matter. Very sad, because I was loving it about 80% into it.
Not into dubbing myself... by Cablecasual	Apr 21st, 2005 08:26:10 AM
Must admit, dubbing just reminds me of badly dubbed kung fu films. I just get to distracted by the mis match between the words and the mouth, find it far easier and less distracting to read the subtitles. Forget I'm doing it after a while. Cracking film though, although came out over here (UK) on DVD as Switchblade Romance, which is a terrible name.... AT least you don't have to suffer that stateside!
You forget, GenericJokeName by vikingkitty	Apr 21st, 2005 09:01:21 AM
Some twits in this country think the Europeans are the epitomy of high culture, so its OK if they dub OUR movies. However, if we have the nerve to dub the crap they call movies into English, its because we're swine.
Dialogue in Haute Tension by CigaretteFairy	Apr 21st, 2005 09:01:44 AM
I read about Haute Tension on this website so being the dishonest soul that I am, I downloaded it (that and be used to this website telling us about horror films that're gonna be great and then you see SAW and CABIN FEVER and they're pieces of shit) and yeah, also a piece of shit. But that's not my point. There's about 3 lines of dialogue in HAUTE TENSION and that's if you even care about their excuse for a plot. But I guess Americans will be Americans.
Fitzcarraldo Dubbed or Subtitled by John-Locke	Apr 21st, 2005 09:03:31 AM
Fitzcarraldo is damn near impossible to with subtitles, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly was mainly Dubbed, Most Argento films are Dubbed and Run Lola Run dubbed into english is fricking hilarious (they got recognisable british actors from Grange Hill and shit to do the voices), maybe this dub job on a otherwise mediocre and predictable twist fest will add that little certain something to the mix and also allow the film to find it's real audience: Kids getting into Horror who don't speak french who wouldn't read if you paid them. Any other clasic Dubbed movies you guys can think of?
The dubbing isn't nearly as bad as the cuts by MaryTylerMorbid	Apr 21st, 2005 09:16:09 AM
I've seen both versions of this film - the unrated French cut, and the dubbed R-rated American theatrical version - and as far as I can tell the dubbing is up to par, but the cuts made to the American version to scure an R rating really hurt the film. In the orginal French version, the death scenes are original, violent and bloody as hell, but the lame-ass cut American version they're hacked so badly they play off like most of the half-ass death scenes from the later Friday The 13th sequels. Someone needs to step up to the plate with a set of balls and release a NC-17 horror movie. Fast.
Instead of watching the inept drivel, learn to read and pick up by SalvatoreGravano	Apr 21st, 2005 09:28:59 AM
http://imdb.com/title/tt033809 5/board/thread/14195139
*Spoilers* Re:CUTS by John-Locke	Apr 21st, 2005 09:29:37 AM
MaryTylerMorbid are you saying that the R rated cut doesn't have the head in the bannister scene and the Kid wont get shot, If so i'd recommend seeking the unrated version cos the gore is quite gratuatious in places. Just read Harry's comments, I'll watch the film again and have a rethink about my views, it just seems there are a few things in the film that don't make sense.
"we forget most american films are released in europe dubbed and by CurryIce	Apr 21st, 2005 09:30:19 AM
GenericJokeName: it doesn't seem to be a big issue because the mass audience in countries like Germany or France are totally ignorant about the difference between an original version and a dubbed one. And they even refuse to read subtitles (i don't know if it's just lazyness or nationalistic/proudness of their language or whatever) Believe me: The Germans for example are famous to be very good in dubbing movies (not only American movies but every foreign films) but it's STILL HORRIBLE. Even the Germans themselves think that the translations and synchronizations would be so good that it won't be a big difference. But THERE ARE PLENTY! There are so many things even in the most stupid and simple action movies which are lost or changed etc. through dubbing! You can't dub a movie perfectly because of the barrier of language and the mentality behind languages etc.(including how words are spoken and the meaning and feeling when a word or a sentence is spoken in a certain way) And when it's not possible to dub perfectly then it's not good enough. And i'm not even talking about the obvious things like humour, wrong translations or when actors speak in a certain accent(which means that one of an important acting method of stars are completely lacking in dubbed version) Believe me: You don't want to live in Germany and go to German cinemas when you're a film geek! (theaters showing movies in original language are very rare) just a stupid theory of myself: i believe that northern European people like in Sweden, the Netherlands or Finland are speaking English almost perfectly and definitely better than French or Germans 'cause they watch movies in original language with subs.^^(of course there are plenty of more important factors and reasons, duh) Japan or Korea don't count 'cause Asian languages are totally different.
Switchblade Romance by Mr Harold Shand	Apr 21st, 2005 09:34:21 AM
How's that for a facking stupid name change we got over 'ere in the UK. Thankfully not dubbed though. Gotta say the twist seemed a little random to me first time through but maybe i'll give it another go one day down the line. Name changes, i fackin shat em.
CurryIce "cause Asian languages are totally different" by John-Locke	Apr 21st, 2005 09:46:16 AM
Just being pedantic but I always thought that Mandarin sounds alot like French, Mind you it's ironic that it was the demise of dubbed films and the re-releasing of Classic Kung-Fu films in their original languages with subtitles that made it possible for me to have such an opinion in the first place, they don't speak much Mandarin in these here parts.
edit by TheKingInYellow	Apr 21st, 2005 10:00:21 AM
i was fortunate enough to see this at bnat5 and shortly after i was fortunate enough to find it floating around the internet at an avi. unfortunately it was heavily edited. there was no decapitated "head" scene, just the truck driving away with the head on the ground. the scene where the father gets decapitated by the dresser was gone. i'm sure there were other scenes that were missing but i can't remember them. oh well, if you get to see the version we saw at bnat5 you're in for a treat. if not, sorry. excellent bloody fun movie!
Harry: "Actually - honestly - I can't say I know any of these pa by John-Locke	Apr 21st, 2005 10:00:40 AM
but apparently they exist in enormous numbers" Never heard of dyslexia, I know plenty of people who were diagnosed in their late teens, those pathetic folks can't read subtitles for shit.
The dubbing won't matter by zampano	Apr 21st, 2005 10:02:54 AM
When you get to possibly the worst twist in horror history. Completely idiotic, nonsensical gibberish. The film really doesn't earn its little "Haha, tricked you!" moment and it destroyed the preceeding movie for me. Which is a shame, as until that point, it really seemed to be playing hardball - a gut wrenching level of tension (hence the name, I guess) and a deadly serious approach to the genre, which has been missing from slasher films in the last decade.
The ending wasn't the dumbest thing in the film... by JimboLo	Apr 21st, 2005 10:28:12 AM
... it was the excuses that the script made for the actions of the "heroine". For example, say a serial killer is downstairs in your house... Do you a) climb out of the open window and make your escape or b) move the heavy (and noisy) wardrobe out of the way of the phone socket, plug the phone in and then phone the police? If you have any sense, a). If you are the heroine in this film b). Why? Because the script says so. At this point my friend turned to me and said, "this bitch is DUMB", but, of course, it's all okay because the cop-out ending is what everyone focuses on. The ending doesn't really matter when you've just spent the preceding 80 minutes shouting "why the FUCK would you do THAT?!" at the screen. Dense.
Flick with balls by Duza	Apr 21st, 2005 10:34:52 AM
Kind of ironic that a couple French guys (who many Americans jokingly refer to as "fruity") make a horror film with balls while we keep putting out safe, homogenized crap like, Boogeyman, and the Amityville remake, then we cut the balls off for American audiences. I picked up the Unrated, dubbed version from the dealers room at the World Horror Convention a few weeks ago and thought the dubbing was fine. Loved it, even with the stupid, illogical twist. Gravitas indeed!!!!!! Duza author of Dead Bitch Army http://www.houseofduza.com
In defense of dubbing by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 21st, 2005 10:34:54 AM
Film is primarily a visual medium. If you have to spend half the film reading the subtitles, that's time you're not watching the actor's faces, or the framing of the shot, or the other actions taking place in the scene. How much do you miss out on when your attention is focused on the bottom of the screen for most of the film? Let's face it, unless you speak the language of the film, then you're seeing a compromised version either way. Subtitles may give you the text, but you'll miss the nuances of the actors delivery, the emphasis they may place on certain words over others, or words that have subtly different meanings or connotations in their native language than they do in english. With good dubbing, you lose the original voice performances of the actors, but since you're already missing out on a lot of that performance if you don't understand the language of the performance in the first place. The lack of sync between mouth and voice on a dubbed film may be distracting, but at least you're looking at the actor's face instead of reading the bottom of the screen and missing that part of the performance altogether. The main problem with dubbing is that most of it is done POORLY: well executed dubbing featuring voice performers who actually have some talent and acting ability isn't nearly as bad, we just don't get to see (hear) it much, so most people's opinion of dubbing is based on crappy "you wanna fight huh? fight ME!" style kung fu dubbing. Personally, I like to sit back and WATCH a film, meaning being able to spend as much time as possible watching the actors and taking in the scenery, and subtitles distract me from that.
Here's one, Jarv by Hud	Apr 21st, 2005 11:00:47 AM
that makes merry with the whole idea of dubbing: "What's Up Tigerlily?"
Haute BORING by Frodo2000	Apr 21st, 2005 12:10:58 PM
Why are we even talking about this? It's from FRANCE, for crying out loud! League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 2 RIGHT NOW, Hollywood!!!
Dubbing in Germany by DerLanghaarige	Apr 21st, 2005 12:16:41 PM
@ CurryIce: Yes, we Germans are really great in Dubbing. Seriously! If you ever have the chance, watch a film with Robin Williams in the German Version. Even Robin Williams himself said that Peer Augustinski (the man who is the german voice of Robin Williams) is a genius! But It's not that every German like dubbed movies. It's easier to watch, sure, but many Germans don't like dubbed movies. Mostly because we are good in putting new voices in other countrys films, but we do al lot of fucking bullshit to the translation. Sometimes it's very hard to watch The Simpsons in German, because so many jokes are translated wrong! Or Pulp Fiction, I know many people here like that film and in the one scene almost at the end, when Sam L. Jackson tells Tim Roth that his Moneybag is the one with "Bad Motherfucker" on it, he says in the German Version: "Es ist die, auf der b
PS: by DerLanghaarige	Apr 21st, 2005 12:18:41 PM
I didn't felt offended by anything you said, I just wanted to give all of you some information.
RE: is this dubbing actually new? by godoffireinhell	Apr 21st, 2005 12:28:06 PM
No, it's the exact same dub that can be found, for example, on the Thai DVD. It was made years ago and not by Lion's Gate like they'd have you belive. The cuts that were supposedly made for the US release are also the exact same 36 seconds of gore that were trimmed for the Korean release. LGF simply submitted the dubbed, cut version and got their desired R. If you're interested in the film just import the UK R2 PAL DVD, which has a ton of cool extras, including longish interviews, an English language audio commentary, a making of doku ...
The idioending was simply supposed to cover up the fact that the by SalvatoreGravano	Apr 21st, 2005 12:35:08 PM
And, of course, it doesn't work, because changing names and endings will never cover up the blatant thievery of the remaining 90% of the plot, settings, incidents and details.
Dubbing vs. Subtitles by TheFount	Apr 21st, 2005 12:40:40 PM
I always prefer subtitles, because even if the subtitles are distracting for a while, unsynchronized audio/video makes me completely unable to focus on the movie. It has to be done very well to keep dubbing from being distracting while staying true to the dialogue. Of course, someone brought up a good point earlier that for anyone with a dyslexia or a similar issue, subtitles aren't such a good idea. http://thefount.blogspot.com
But the Robin Williams Dubbing IS great! by DerLanghaarige	Apr 21st, 2005 12:42:34 PM
You will think, this is actually Robin Williams talking German! (I try to get some soundfiles) And the Quarterpunder with cheese is really a quarterpounder with cheese in the movie ("Ein Viertelpf
This sounds EXACTLY like Dean Koontz's "Intensity" by Grand Masta Salt	Apr 21st, 2005 12:42:42 PM
The storylines sound too similiar.
dyslexia by Kraken	Apr 21st, 2005 12:52:18 PM
I had it when I was a kid (and a low level of it now) and I prefer sub-titles any day over a dub.
Thai DVD by Groggy	Apr 21st, 2005 01:07:05 PM
If the dubbing is the same as the Thai DVD then this ain't a bad version. I hate dubbing and prefer subtitles everytime, but this is one of the better English dubs I have seen of live action. That said it would appear the LGF version hasn't got all of the action, which makes the release seem kind of silly and timid. The brutality is very necessary if the film is to work as a whole. Get the uncut, dubbed, legit Thai DVD if you can pick it up cheap.
In defense of subtitles by octagon71	Apr 21st, 2005 01:17:22 PM
I grew up in the Netherlands and currently live in California. I had to deal with subtitles my whole life and I disagree with GrandoCarIissian. Because of growing up watching the BBC and all kinds of other English programs I was able to pick up the English language at a very young age. Most people in Holland speak English because of being subjected to it by watching TV. Just imagine watching TV in a different language with the explanation right below it. You're bound to pick up on it and learn some of the language. I'm so used to watching subtitles that it only takes a split-second to read the entire sentence. I even watch my English language DVD's with subtitles. It's perfect when you can't have the volume up late at night and they make for great free English lessons. I feel sorry for people that can't read fast but thats no excuse to fucking DUB a movie! It
The dubbing in other countries by MalmoCheese	Apr 21st, 2005 01:25:32 PM
By the way, most civilized countries do not have this dub mania that a few do have - I visited many EU countries and it's true that you often see dubbed movies on TV but in most countries the cinema and DVD releases are subtitled. It's not just us Skands :) that do it the way that it should be done
It's true about the germans - they even dub PORN! Really! by MalmoCheese	Apr 21st, 2005 01:31:56 PM
But of course what can one expect from these nazis!
"Transmogrifies" by Volta	Apr 21st, 2005 01:32:19 PM

"Transmogrifies" by Volta	Apr 21st, 2005 01:34:28 PM
Ah shit, first post and I fuck it up. What's with the use of the word "transmogrifies"?
German Dubbed Pornos!!! by godoffireinhell	Apr 21st, 2005 01:52:02 PM
Yeah, that's fucking hysterical! It doesn't matter so much nowadays with the original English track also on the DVD but back in the days where you'd rent your porn on VHS ... Yikes! Those dubs were so terrible I always masturbated to the films with the sound turned off. Frequently they'd have two (2) people dub an entire porno movie. One guy for all the men, and one bored, depressed, chain-smoking, hard-drinking (all of that deducted from the voice) stripper for all the girls!
Bronkowitz by CurryIce	Apr 21st, 2005 02:20:28 PM
"I didn't felt offended by anything you said, I just wanted to give all of you some information." well ,my comment was only related to dubbing as you can see so everything is just fine ^ ^
Twist endings are the last refuge of a weak storyteller by zikade zarathos	Apr 21st, 2005 02:39:20 PM
CITIZEN KANE, USUAL SUSPECTS... these movies are not "Twist Endings" like some people have claimed, they're films that contained mysteries that needed to be solved, and the solution was surprising to most. They (and all the movies like them) set up the question sometime during the flick ("What is Rosebud?" "Who is Keyser Sose?"), and by the end, you find out who it is, and most often it's completely opposite of who you thought. That's good storytelling, because you get, at LEAST, a slim chance of figuring it out. Movies with twist endings, however, just spring on you an answer to a question nobody asked. Imagine if at the end of HALLOWEEN, Michael Meyers would have had his mask ripped off by Dr. Loomis, and it's Laurie Strode underneath. Then there's a cut, and we're in a psychiatric institute, and it turns of she's been telling the story the whole time. That's HAUTE TENSION, and it's just as jarring and ridiculous, an attempt by the director to superficially inject some depth when none was needed. The first three quarters are great, visceral horror -- the last quarter was a huge disappointment by a filmmaker who got cold feet, and dropped the ball.
How I learned to deal with subtitles. by numberface	Apr 21st, 2005 02:58:59 PM

How I learned to deal with subtitles. by numberface	Apr 21st, 2005 03:00:11 PM
I learned how to READ. Fast. It's not hard. Dubbing is for illiterates and retards. The has never been and never will be a decent dubbing job on any film in the history of cinema. Just. Read. It. You CAN do both. It takes a brain.
I Own The Dubbed Version Lion's Gate Is by ClayD	Apr 21st, 2005 03:41:59 PM
Putting out. It's not bad, but I also on the French version subbed in English. Of course there's no comparison. My friends said the dubbing one wasn't bad at all. All that watched it said you almost couldn't tell.
CurryIce by DerLanghaarige	Apr 21st, 2005 03:42:04 PM
Y'know. Things can get very quickly ugly here and before I get a "Shut the fuck up you fucking motherfucker! I fucked your mother you fucking fuck!" I better clear some things up. ;) PS: I'm not a pussy, I love that we can say here whatever we think but I don't want to answer 200 trolls in a row! PPS: Fucking Fuck! Fuck! Ficken! Shit! Ass! Cunt! Swearing is fun!
I agree 100% with 433 by Doc_McCoy	Apr 21st, 2005 03:58:17 PM
The ending makes no fucking sense whatsoever, no matter how you explain it. The scene at the gas station, as well as the scene where the heroine and her friend are in the back of the van/truck while the psychopath is driving, destroy any hope of the "twist" being logical. I really liked the film up until that point, but the awful ending leaves a shitty taste in your mouth. Pretty much everyone I know that's seen the film feels the same way.
I love the smell of elitism in the morning by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 21st, 2005 04:11:51 PM
If you prefer subtitles, that's fine. That doesn't mean anyone who prefers dubbing is retarded or illiterate. I can read just as fast as most people. I can also form complete sentences and use punctuation correctly, a talent that seems to elude some people. No one should have to take a speed-reading course or watch a movie three times to enjoy it. If you're going to that much trouble, you may as well just learn the language and then you won't have to deal with dubbing OR subtitles. Do most dub jobs on movies suck? Yes, because they're usually done as afterthoughts and it's a lot cheaper to do subtitles than to hire good voice actors for a dub track. If they used the same quality of voice talent for dub tracks that they use for animated movies, then those dub tracks could be fantastic. If people would stop being such sheep and repeating the same BS that subtitles are the only way to see a film in its "pure" form, just because that's what they've always heard the film snobs say, then maybe people would start demanding, and getting, better dub tracks.
dub EVERYTHING by the_man_from_Rio	Apr 21st, 2005 04:12:25 PM
from now on, we should dub everything, even those learn a foreign language tapes
Wnanahara7 by numberface	Apr 21st, 2005 04:21:09 PM
It is NOT hard! It's easy. Glance at the bottom of the screen, read what's there, look at the pictures. This is not rocket science, people. Dubbing is far more distracting because the voices coming out of the mouths of the people onscreen don't fit, the ambient sound is all wrong, and you find yourself taken out of the movie. Subtitles all the way! Dubbing stinks. I have never enjoyed a dubbed movie, Except Fellini, where all the voices are dubbed anyway, even though i watch
Numberface is a retard. by Wee Willie	Apr 21st, 2005 04:43:27 PM
Some folks like dubbing. Some folks like subtitles. You can fault people for what they enjoy. But movies should be available in both versions.
I meant "can't" by Wee Willie	Apr 21st, 2005 04:44:46 PM
You CAN'T fault people for what they like. Still though, if you're going to dub, put some effort into it.
I AM IN LOVE by topaz4206	Apr 21st, 2005 05:55:34 PM
with every inch of Cecile De France. What a delicious skin-biscuit! Anyway, the original is AWESOME, love it-loveit-loveit. One thing I noticed, that it does sound like Cecile at least did her own dubbing for the English part. Who cares, I've got the original sitting right here, you can't take it away from me!
Speaking of dubbing... by -guyinthebackrow	Apr 21st, 2005 06:13:37 PM
The Full Monty needed subtitles.
Subtitling has its place, BUT . . . by ol' painless	Apr 21st, 2005 06:36:27 PM
Only if you have a genuine problem such as dyslexia or visual impairment. People with these problems should not be denied the opportunity to enjoy a quality foreign film. But if your reason is you can't be bothered reading a little faster and getting into the flow of the film, then just don't bother: go back to films by Michael Bay. He'll spell it out nice and simple for you so you won't be troubled with subtlety, nuance, and all that other annoying stuff . Sometimes watching a film requires a little work: if you are prepared to do this, you may experience something wonderful.
Please, Do Explain by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 21st, 2005 08:09:39 PM
How does constantly shifting your attention between a scene and the writing at the bottom of the screen help you "get in the flow" of a film? It does exactly the opposite for me. And how does printing the translation of a film's dialogue communicate nuance and subtlety? I'm sorry to break it to you, but the nuances of foreign languages can't be expressed by the written word. It doesn't matter if it's dubbed or subtitled, something is lost in the translation either way. Stop deluding yourself into thinking you're getting something more out of a subtitle than you'd get from a dub. Even in English, there's a big difference between reading dialogue and hearing it spoken. Try reading a screenplay and then going to see the actual film and you'll hopefully hear what I'm talking about. Unless you understand the language, you've lost any nuance the actor added to the original dialogue. Saying "Don't bother going to foreign films if you don't want to read subtitles" is a cop-out. That has as much logic as saying "Don't bother to go to a film if you can't be bothered to learn the original language." After all, if you don't understand the language you'll never get the full effect of the film, so what's the point? But I DO bother to go to foreign films and to rent them on DVD, and most of the time I read the subtitles because I HAVE NO CHOICE. If I did have a choice, I'd listen to a good dub track instead. Then I wouldn't have to worry about missing the subtle details and nuances in the production design and cinematography on films like City of Lost Children or House of Flying Daggers, where even glancing away from the scene for a second might cause me to miss a fantastic visual.
By the way by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 21st, 2005 08:18:06 PM
City of Lost Children was the film that convinced me that dub tracks aren't such a bad thing. When I saw that movie in the theater, it was subtitled. It wasn't until later that I saw it on DVD with a dub track that I realized how much fantastic imagery I had missed the first time around because my attention had been so focused on reading the dialogue. I used to just as evangelical about subtitles as every other film snob. I gave the dub track on COLC a chance because it featured some of the actual actors, like Ron Perlman, and because I wanted to concentrate on the visuals. I'm glad I did.
GrandoCarIissian by John-Locke	Apr 21st, 2005 09:27:02 PM
"Unless you understand the language, you've lost any nuance the actor added to the original dialogue" Bollocks, I don't understand French too well I do know that in my favourite French Films of recent memory (La Haine, Irreversible, Taxi, Dobberman to name a few) alot of the films strenghtsare the way characters talk to each other and pronounce words, Vincent Cassel dubbed in La Haine?, think about it if you've seen the movie. Bollocks
Yo, Grando by ol' painless	Apr 21st, 2005 10:57:42 PM
Grando, you continue to evangelise about the joys of dubbing, and good for you: I think you are wrong . You have your opinion and I have mine, so there doesn
I don't think dubbing will hurt a movie like this too much. by Cash Bailey	Apr 22nd, 2005 12:53:42 AM
There's not that much dialogue and in the end, it's nothing more than a really brilliantly-made slasher flick. It's not like watching in horror at the dubbing in something like CROUCHING TIGER, where you're treated to "Ahh-soo, I see you have da greeeen destahny swoooord"-type Fu Manchu dubbing. Besides, they can do what they like with HAUTE TENSION. I have my uncut, sub-titled DVD.
Opinions Noted by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 22nd, 2005 02:22:17 AM
I'm not here to try to convince anyone who prefers subtitles to switch to english dubs instead. What I am trying to do is show that there ARE good reasons why someone might prefer dubbing. Plenty of people here have expressed their preference for subtitles and I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with the ones who say if you prefer dubbing you're a retard or, even worse, a Michael Bay fan. If you prefer subtitles then good for you, but that doesn't mean you're smarter or have better taste in film than those of us who don't. And just to clear one thing up, if you think I'm somehow denigrating the art of acting, then you have clearly misunderstood everything I've written about that, since I clearly stated previously that my preference for dubbing is partly because it allows me to view the entire performance of the actor, including facial expressions, body language, etc. The nuance that is lost (in both dubbing and subtitles) is in the dialogue, not in the actor's overall performance. Also, I'm not shedding any tears over an absence of english dubs of foreign films; with DVDs, a lot of those films come with BOTH dub tracks and subtitles, so everyone can choose whichever they prefer. What I DO complain about is the lack of GOOD dubs, which is directly related to 1) how cheap the studios are and 2) the snooty attitude so many people have toward dubbing. If the studios think the only people who listen to dubs are lazy illiterates, why would they bother investing any money in producing better dubs? As for what we can do to get the studios to turn out better dubs, I don't know. Since when do studios listen to us? Despite everything I've written here, I really don't care enough about this to start a petition or a letter-writing campaign about it. But I'll make an extra effort to see a dubbed film versus a subtitled one if they put some effort into the dubbing, like they did with City of Lost Children or Spirited Away, just like I used to go out of my way to see letterbox films instead of pan-and-scam. Truth is, MOST people in the USA avoid subtitled films altogether and would prefer dubbing (for reasons that are admittedly dumber and lazier than mine) so if that's not financial incentive enough for them to release better dubs, I don't know what is. That said, if the voiceovers in the Haute Tension trailer are any indication, it sounds like they did a decent job with that one.
Thrown out of this site by DerLanghaarige	Apr 22nd, 2005 02:52:44 AM
Y'know what I mean
Subtitles ... by Shan	Apr 22nd, 2005 04:00:49 AM
In Australia, we're used to subtitles because we have a government channel which shows foreign movies on a regular basis. So being able to watch a movie and read the subtitles at the same time is second nature to most of us.---------------------- The important thing to remember is that there's only ONE language in the world which films are subtitled in common: from Russia (Nochnoj dozor/Nightwatch), Germany (Run Lola Run), Korea (Old Boy), Japan (Ring), China (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero) and so on ----------- and that is English. Everyone else in the world has to learn at least one other language to understand either through subtitles or dubbing to understand films from many countries outside their own. So, we're really lucky in that we can see films from just about anywhere in the world without having to learn any new languages if we don't want to, so it's good to remember English is unique in that fashion and we're lucky in that respect. I'm trying to learn a few languages at the moment and it's not easy. (I currently understand just enough Japanese and Korean to be more confused than if I didn't know anything at all, I think).
I just saw it now Malmocheese by DerLanghaarige	Apr 22nd, 2005 06:48:45 AM
Shut your fucking face! I don't know what dubbed Pornos have to do with Nazis!? And don't you never call any of us Nazi! (except these stupid Skinhead-Neo Nazis) WWII is over for more than 50 years, we all learned our lesson and holy shit! Most of were born AFTER this and so we had absolutely nothing to do with them! But who am I talking to. I'm sure you are sitting right now at home and masterbate to Schindlers List, stupid brainless FUCK!
Fair enough, Grando by ol' painless	Apr 22nd, 2005 08:56:01 AM
It certainly is nice to have choice, nnd studio's do need to put more effort into their DVD's and give us the option of both dubbing and subtitles. But we know the studios don't give a fuck about quality dubbing: we will always be stuck with the 'recorded by mostly-unemployed-for-a-reason -so-going-cheap- actor-monkey-in-phone-booth' quality on the dubbing. There's no money in it, they say, so why bother? I guess at least with subtitling, the hope is you are getting more of the original film, rather that a shit sandwich served up by some penny-pinching accountant in Distribution who is spending the money saved on hookers. But hey! Lets just shake hands and go for a beer: first rounds on me!
Make Films, Not War by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 22nd, 2005 11:10:00 AM
See, peace in the talkbacks IS possible. Let's solve the Isreali-Palestinian conflict next, it's almost just as important.
Peace by John-Locke	Apr 22nd, 2005 12:40:31 PM
So everyone is agreed, give us both options done well, I'll watch mine with Subs, just remembered Crimson Rivers (Reno/Cassel) had the actors re-voice their characters into english on the DVD and the film sucked even more as a result in my opinion but the choice is there if you want it Grando. Sorry for my use of profanity in earlier post, I can get very passionate about things late at night. Peace.
'Glancing' and 'Reading' by numberface	Apr 22nd, 2005 01:22:35 PM
I guess it depends on your level of comprehension. I glance and read at the same time. Does that make me a better person. HELL YEAH IT DOES! (Just kidding) 'Prancing' and 'Dancing' are different, but the same message comes across. What's the message? That the person doing either is obviously gay. So are people who like dubbing. (Just kidding)
Ow, don't shoot, herr gruppenfuhrer bronkowiz, nein! by gerharDschrojerK	Apr 22nd, 2005 01:59:28 PM
Don't shoot me herr gruppenfuhrer bronkowiz, ich liebe dich! (ahaha) I will not tell any jokes about the beloved leader and god of germany, fuhrer adolf! I will not joke about the neonazi party that won 20% votes in the "modern democratic" germanazi elections! Don't put me in a concentration camp, herr bronkowiz! (No surprise the germanazis openly admit they hate Schindler's List: just go on its IMDB board and read all the sick crap they post there, where they can anonymously let their concealed ingrown racism and "german pride" out. No wonder Spielberg had to have six bodyguards when he scouted locations in Munich! By the way, I wonder if they dub kid and scat porno there, too. gErManY (would be "germaniA" if adolf won) is the #1 market for this sick sh*t, so they probably do! Post some reviews of that, bronkowizt!
learn to read faster... by octagon71	Apr 22nd, 2005 02:10:10 PM
Like I said in my earlier post, I grew up in The Netherlands and had to deal with subtitles my whole life, because of this I read them pretty fast so it takes me a split-second to read then, then I look back at the screen again. It's like second nature and it does not take me out of the movie what so ever. Most people who grew up watching subtitled movies will have no clue what you people are going on about. Plus watching an English movie with Dutch subtitles just strengthens your comprehension of both languages, unless they do a shitty job subtitling of course. So fuck off with restarted dubs and learn to read (faster).
Yeah right! by DerLanghaarige	Apr 22nd, 2005 04:15:55 PM
KZ jokes are soooo funny. Are any jews in here? Tell them how much you laughed. But first should think about how many wars Germany started in the last 50 years while other countries...well...Y'know. Oh and about the IMDB ratings you should give a fuck. There are even more trolls, haters, fanboys than here!
wars? by numberface	Apr 22nd, 2005 04:42:56 PM
America started the most wars. And kicked the most ass. Don't even go there, bro!
And just like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a seemingly long by GrandoCarIissian	Apr 22nd, 2005 04:48:56 PM
Will the cycle never end?
Not on my watch, brother. by numberface	Apr 22nd, 2005 10:49:23 PM
Not on my watch.

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