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'160-Odd Years Before Kirk Is Born'''STAR TREK XI Writer Pegs Prequel Era!!Then Claims Confusion!!

first by Steve Zodiac	Mar 10th, 2005 11:34:21 PM
now that's a premi
as for the Star Treck flick? by Steve Zodiac	Mar 10th, 2005 11:36:18 PM
are B&B involved?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha by halcyonseven	Mar 10th, 2005 11:41:52 PM
now thats comedy
lame by BRUTICUS	Mar 10th, 2005 11:49:26 PM
youd think they could learn their lesson that going back in the past is boring from enterprise. The movie should be long AFTER the next generation. People watch star trek because its so distant in the future that anything is possible.
Uh. So what will the movie be ABOUT though? Them flying through by krims0nknite	Mar 10th, 2005 11:54:21 PM
I mean really. Just how many alien species did earth make contact with 10 years after the took their first TEST FLIGHT into space? One? Two? And it's not like it takes the vulcans a day or two to travel back and forth for meetings.. Or that the vulcans would be there all the time to help them... So what is the storyline going to be of this movie? They build a ship, they fly it around for awhile, check out empty planets, the end?
Another damn prequel. by RainJacket	Mar 11th, 2005 12:02:57 AM
Everything's gotta be a prequel these days. Movies, video games, beer cans. I'm sick of it. But, who cares about this. I don't think anything just shy of a hard-R rating would make me excited about another damn Star Trek movie.
Ack Ack Ack! by Holly_Wight	Mar 11th, 2005 12:31:29 AM
They screw this up SO much! The Original series TV Show technical guide/bible says that Zefram Cochrane is Alpha Centaurian (but B&B changed him into an Earthling human) and that the first aliens met are Alpha Centaurians (which B&B changed to Vulcans). Warp drive was a joint venture between humans and Centaurians AFTER a sub-light sleeper ship carrying humans traveled from Earth to Alpha Centauri (but B&B scrapped Gene's ideas for their own). In the original series canon, Zefram Cochrane DIED IN HIS TWENTIES (but James Cromwell's Zephram Cochrane was well past that age). And now, 2073 is when the EUGENICS WARS took place, but they want to make a movie that probably ignores that part of Trek canon. I've lost all hope that Paramount will honor the original series at all by hiring someone besides B&B.
The problem with enterprise wasn't that it takes place in the "p by logofdoom	Mar 11th, 2005 12:56:47 AM
The problem is they insisted on telling the same stories over and over thoughout all of star treks different incarnations. I think looking at trek at the time of the first warp drive is a promising idea... then again I'd had similar hopes for enterprise. I look at it this way, if battlestar galactica can manage making a genuinely new and entertaining show while holding enough of it's origin, it's possible for star trek.
How about an alternate dimension star trek movie... by krims0nknite	Mar 11th, 2005 01:12:13 AM
Picard vs Picard! Or, more accurately, Picard VS Bizarro World Picard W/ Beard! Oh, and bizarro world Troy w/ beard get naked in this one. Wait, better yet, she shaves off her beard to mess things up for the real Troy.. She sleeps with Picard. Picard and Riker go at it. Things get awkward on the bridge between Troy and Riker and Picard... Weird glances and such. I guarentee this would sell better than the prequel idea haha.
They're Vulcanians. Vulcanians from Vulcanis. by Hercules	Mar 11th, 2005 01:27:00 AM
Watch "Mudd's Women" or "A Taste of Armageddon." I'm not kidding! This is my job!
They should make a Star Trek movie that has by Russman	Mar 11th, 2005 01:27:55 AM
a bunch of hot Asian girls just goin at it for a 110 minutes, all hot and sweaty and panting and moaning. God damn that would be hot. Hmmmm, I think they should just stop with the Treks for now... It doesn't seem like there's a big demand for it.
OH MY GAWD I'M COMING IN MY PANTS AT THIS NEWZ!!!!!11!!!!11111on by Noriko Takaya	Mar 11th, 2005 01:56:33 AM
Oh wait I don't have a dick. Never mind. Seriously though, Beavis & Butthead are involved with this thing according to IMDB, so that pretty much automatically means that it will suck copius amounts of donkey cock. And no, don't come to me with that "at leest wait 'till yew see da moobie furst" BS! Normally I would agree with that sentiment, but not when the two men responsible for the failure of Enterprise, the suckitude of Voyager and the last two Trek flicks cratering at the box office are still hanging around. Hell, at this point even Uwe Boll heading up the project would be an impro - weeelllll, no, it wouldn't, but you get my drift. For pretty much the first time in my life I have no hope for an upcoming Trek film. And that's just sad. Toppu o Nerae!
and the ships will still look like the enterprise from , first c by Orionsangels	Mar 11th, 2005 02:40:10 AM
like it did on the enterprise show
Just let Trek die for about 20 years. by The Founder	Mar 11th, 2005 02:43:55 AM
A prequel before enterprise is a shyt idea. Please Viacom just let TREK stay away for a about 20-30 years long after all the creative people are gone. yrek neds totally fresh blood. A relaunch from the ground up. I'd say putting the next film like a 1,000 years in the future would be the way to go. let TREK be about a new faster then light travel system that lets the Federation or the new Enterprise explore a new Galaxy. We pretty much know all the d@mn major threatening species in the Milky Way already. send the new crew of the enterprise to the next galaxy.
What should happen by Abelman007	Mar 11th, 2005 03:26:32 AM
is that Zefram, bored by the warp drive, decides to develop a rocket car with a dimensional travlling device while moonlighting in a rock and roll band. On the test run, he drives INSIDE a mountain and makes contact with a new extra-dimensional being. Meanwhile, John Lithgow plays the estranged leader who tries to conquer the eighth dimension!
Just let it die...please give it a dignified end!! by Gabba-UK	Mar 11th, 2005 03:44:35 AM
I feel like the relative of a terminally ill person. Someone I love in pain and if I could end their suffering I would.
hang on by ScaryJim	Mar 11th, 2005 04:12:11 AM
so - star trek , not in space , with no aliens and no spaceships . What are they going to do? fly to Nicuragua in a plane called 'Enterprise' making contact with tribes that have not been contacted before? Bugger , this prequel business has got to stop .
This proves the powers that be behind Star Trek are running out by Kampbell-Kid	Mar 11th, 2005 04:24:54 AM
They basicly just took a fat steamy rotten egg smelling dump on all Star Trek fans by saying basicly this new show concept with not be any of these positive aspects that we have listed from our previous endeavors... ??? However, we will contradict ourselves after the pilot by rehashing previous stories we've used many times before where the crew will fly around space and save the day with a brilliant ending. Meh.. these people have lost touch with reality from the fanbase. I agree... stop Star Trek for awhile, wait, and do another new generation further ahead showing how we've evolved vs. making perdictable prequils that fill only backstory that was better left to our imaginations.
Some screenwriter they pegged for this flick to "reinvigorate" t by John Anderton	Mar 11th, 2005 04:31:48 AM
The fool has no idea what he's talking about, and he's supposed to be WRITING the next movie??? Shoot me please!
Rick Berman is producing this crap again - after 2 movie flops a by Spacesheik	Mar 11th, 2005 04:50:45 AM
I can understand Jonathan Dolgen's pennypinching and Sherry Lansing's passivity concerning STAR TREK, but I thought Paramount had a new crew in charge who wanted to revitalize their films and franchises -- why the fuck is Rick Berman still producing these films? And why cant they just do a decent RETURN OF KIRK film? Now the BAND OF BROTHERS scribe - thats a decent step -- but why make a STAR TREK origin film about astronauts, no aliens or spaceships -- it will be like fucking ARMAGEDON or Eastwood's SPACE COWBOYS - guys, without a Kirk or Spock or someone familiar with the franchise it aint no use.
NO YOU'RE WRONG! YOU'RE MATHS WORKED OUT WRONG! IT WILL TAKE PLA by silentbobafett2	Mar 11th, 2005 05:02:09 AM

Serious Question. Why don't they just do another series in the f by krims0nknite	Mar 11th, 2005 05:10:29 AM
Er I guess that was Voyager? ... Hmm I almost totally forgot about Voyager, now I see why they're doing prequels. And they can't really do a series surrounding a planet owned by the Federation.... We already had DS-9 which is planet-ish. Man yeah Star Trek = completely dead. After you know 50 years there's nothing they can go without reinveting an old storyline they've done.
What counts as "canon" in the Trek timeline... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Mar 11th, 2005 05:18:39 AM
The official stance by Paramount has been that the TV series (not including the animated series) and movies comprise the Trek canon. Anything else (novels, comic books, series notes, bibles, etc.) does not count. It doesn't matter if Roddenberry wrote it in a bible either. Unless it appeared/appears in a live action TV series or movie, it never happened in terms of Trek's continuity. ... Now how to explain the obvious age difference between First Contact Cochrane and TOS Cochrane? This hasn't been officially addressed, but maybe we could assume that Cochrane underwent a radical DNA makeover to turn back the aging clock for himself (like what Doc Brown had done to himself in Back to the Future 2). You could even say that Cochrane messed around with Augment DNA.
Who gives us a shit about Cochranes age man?! You Trekkers shoud by Spacesheik	Mar 11th, 2005 05:24:01 AM
TREKKERS have their priorities fucked up - they campaign and raise millions to save ENTERPRISE - a shit show - but they wont campaign and mobilize to remove Berman and Braga -- its ridiculous. I lost all respect for them. The golden age of Harve bennet, Leonard Nimoy and Nick meyer are over, unfortunately.
The way forward is forward not back....I think. by David Frames	Mar 11th, 2005 05:36:07 AM
Can someone explain to me why it is that a prequel is considered to be an effective way to reinvigorate the francaise? It seems fairly obvious that going back only wealds you to the mine of continuity which is both constricting in terms of new elements you can add to the mix and if we're talking about the pre-Archer era of Trek, lets face it, fairly dull. If we must have a new Trek movie (and I don't think now is the time to be honest), set the bastard in the future beyond the reach of all previous T.V incarnations, stump up a huge budget, say $120M and go all out on an epic story with new characters (not too many mind you) with a politically relevant plot - Space Terrorists for example; give the audience something to nourish the mind and dazzle the eye and THEN, in a final fuck you to moneymen and the floggers, have the movie conclude with the wholesale destruction of the human race and the known galaxy. Final Caption: 'and the saga continues...?' I'd pay to see it.
Great Bird of the Galaxy, deliver us from these morons by TheMatarife	Mar 11th, 2005 08:03:44 AM
God, Can't Paramount hire ANYONE associated with Deep Space 9 to run this stuff? Another prequel project would be a huge friggin mistake. All it will do is muddy up continuity with more stuff that's never been mentioned, and it will have 0 dramatic impact since we already KNOW the federation will get founded and the earth will survive. At least in the 24th century era we can have some PROGRESS to trek storylines. Have Braga bring Moore back since they are apparently still friends for whatever reason. Hell, Ira Behr isn't too busy these days either. Both would create tons better Trek than some guy who's never watched an episode before in his life like this clown.
New Series, New Galaxy... by Kid Z	Mar 11th, 2005 08:10:40 AM
... have them go to that galaxy where everyone looks like little, plastic novelty chicken puppets who're obsessed with Halloween and can turn into giant house cats...
Pro. Pop-Cult by RenoNevada2000	Mar 11th, 2005 08:19:54 AM
I always thought that Cochrane looked younger in that original series episode was because the glow energy alien thing rejuvinated him...
star trek is tired... but this is not the way to rejuvenate the by mansep	Mar 11th, 2005 08:27:28 AM
what we want is intelligent stories and dialogue, character depth, and truly exciting action centred around a plot that is actually worth caring about. most of all it needs to be original and something that we haven't seen before. i don't know who is behind this new film but it needs to be made by people who love the IDEA of star trek, and not people who have been involved in any of the last 3 or 4 star trek disasters. personally i would like to see a star trek based around 50 years on from TNG, with new alliances and enemies. And as far as a story arc, take a year one approach so you get a sense of a new beginning. And make the characters a whole lot more interesting and charismatic than the Voyager and Enterprise bores. And it's not necessary to have klingons or vulcans in the show. Romulans seem to have been underused and the Cardassians were great in DS9. whatever, someone just sort this shit out. but wait at least 5 years before doing it. if you do it now then, no matter how good it is, people will still yawn at the prospect of it. and in the intervening 5 years, don't even mention star trek. don't even show it on tv!! make people want it to come back. the best way to get people keen is to deprive them of what they want for a while.
Romulan War or Eugenics War. But some kind of war. by I Dunno	Mar 11th, 2005 08:31:17 AM
Nobody wants to hear about the human condition or moral dillemas or enlightening mankind or any of that other gay shit that Trek is mired in. They want to see shit blow up. The best episodes of any Trek series in the last 15 years were the Dominion War episodes of DS9. Not only did shit blow up but it had real drama, showing how people in the Trek universe react to situations we can identify with. Not some bald fuck bragging about how enlightened future people are and solving some moral issue with aliens who look exactly like us but have bumpy shit on their heads. Every single social, economic, and political issue has already been beaten to death in the 500 or so episodes of this tired hog. Star Wars is done. It's time for Trek to take over the shit blowing upping slack or quit.
I think 160 years before Kirk's time would work! by warp11	Mar 11th, 2005 09:49:42 AM
This concept would work only if it was some sort of holo program that was being watched by part of the command crew on board the Federations Flag ship, and if that same Flag ship would eventually be blown up by one of the command crew watching the holo program. IT'S RIKERS FAULT THE ENTERPRISE-D WAS DESTROYED! The new Warp 11 album comes out today! "Boldly Go Down On Me", and the hit Single "She Make it So" is being played everywhere! check it out: www.warp11.com or www.warp11bb.com. Warp 11 will save Star Trek!
I like the above idea that someone had.. set it 1000 years in th by Russman	Mar 11th, 2005 09:54:42 AM
and make sure there are several hot asian gals rolling around and goin at it.
Ok heres a stupid idea ... oh wait it cant be worse by alpha	Mar 11th, 2005 09:58:06 AM
Bugger this prequel crap. Nobody wants to watch star trek and know with absolute certainty the outcome. What people really want is something big to reenergise the franchise. So heres my ridculous idea. You could potentially do a big 3 picture arc without breaking the bank. Budget the total for all 3 at a little over 100 mil (between 100 and 150 depending on how adventurous the execs are feeling) and save costs by filming everything at once LOTR style. What do you do with that money. Well, Most of the Trek actors are hacking around with reasonable lives but minimal success outside the Trek shows themselves so they can be hired relatively cheaply especially if their roles are small. You could get most Next Gen, DS9, Voyager cast easily. You may have to pay more for Patrick Stewart but if you give him meat to work with he'll sign on. Then you fight a war. But not just against some minor foe but someone who basically kicks everyones butt in the first film. Kill people and i dont just mean Ensign Redshirt but some series regulars and have whomever survives have them join up with surviving Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Gorn etc to fight off and eventually defeat the seemingly unstoppable foe. See if you can get Nimoy to play Spock and have him elected President at the end. If he's in get Shatner and make him a hologram that Spock created because he missed Kirk and then have the hologramatic Kirk figure his true nature out and leave him as Spocks concience for want of a better word. Give the Originals a send off more worthy than Generations. If it works then your spinoff is already set up for you. A new ship Policing the new largely lawless and devestated Federation which now includes the surviving Klingons, Romulans etc. Populate the crew with these traditional foes. You recapture the sense of danger because the whole place is a frontier like in the Original Series and add in the morally complex characters that are so popular in todays shows (look at Lost for example). If a Human Character has a Klingon First officer, A Cardassian Security chief and a Romulan Engineer all of whom are probably spys for their old intelligence services then generating dramatic tension would be easy. Heck its probably a silly unworkable idea but I'm 99.9% sure that most Trek fans want to see the whole thing move forward somehow rather than wither and die.
RE: Hot Asian Girl Trek- its been done..sorta by JAGUART	Mar 11th, 2005 10:03:49 AM
http://us.imdb.com/find?q=sex% 20trek;tt=on;nm=on;mx=20
warp11 go away, your band sucks by I Dunno	Mar 11th, 2005 10:03:57 AM

People on this boards always seem to forget by cookylamoo	Mar 11th, 2005 10:19:41 AM
there are things in Hollywood called CONTRACTS. I mean why else would Nana Visitor or Marina Sirtis be directing episodes of Trek? Why else would Berman still be involved? Because they all signed contracts years ago to direct and produce and you either honor the contract or pay up. And NOBODY wants to pay up.
"Let's make it a prequel! Sci fi fans LOVE prequels!" by Childe Roland	Mar 11th, 2005 10:40:45 AM
Sure. Just ask 10 Star Wars fans what they thought of Lucas' first two follow-ups/predecessors to his classic trilogy. Bet you get some interesting responses. Seriously, I was one of the biggest fans of the idea behind Enterprise back when it was first announced. A human crew exploring the galaxy for the first time at warp speeds with no idea what they're going to encounter? Cool! A ship that represents the most advanced technology we can muster but pales in comparison to a lot of what it comes up against? Very cool! An opportunity to see some of those events referenced in TOS and TNG as "ancient history" actually unfold? Excellent! But B&B really gave us none of that. Instead we got Voyager lite ("lite" in that they can go home whenever they want). So much potential unrealized. So much unnecessary pillaging of already-told stories that would eventually muck-up the much-beloved continuity of the franchise. It was a clusterfuck nd it got its plug pulled. So the logical move with your movie would be to go back to a formula that worked... far distant future... but change it up with a new set of rules (maybe a distopian future where the Federation becomes as feared and hated as the Borg for their attempts to assimilate every culture they meet into their "collective"). Maybe you'll even spark interest in a series. And then, after enough time has gone by for the bad beforetaste of Enterprise to leave folks' mouths, you can reintroduce the prequel concept and do it right (depict the Romulan War with the Eugenics Wars being fresh enough in the memory of characters for some mention and exploration). But regardless of what you do with Trek now, if you leave B&B attached, even just in name, you cast a shadow over anything you're trying to acheive. They've generated too much ill will for any serious Trek fan to ever look forward to anything they do with the franchise again.
So, apparently the wealth of material from 40 odd years of Star by Goody2shoes	Mar 11th, 2005 10:43:41 AM
Great. What gets me is that they make these movies to appeal to the masses, trekkies and non. Hears an idea; make a DS9 movie. I know, it'll never happen, actors' contracts and all, but still. You've got a black captain, an Arab doctor, a female, ex-terrorist 1st officer, etc. Everyone didn't always get along, which would make for human drama in addition to the action. Plus, I always thought it was cool that Sisko was the only captain to be married with kids.
TheMatarife: by MGTHEDJ	Mar 11th, 2005 11:06:56 AM
The DS9 guys are busy. Moore and some others are working on "Battlestar Galactica", Tracy Torme is now on HBO's "Carnivale", and Behr, Wolfe and others are the main writers on the USA network series "The 4400." Also, Moore HATES Braga, and by doing BSG helped get "Star Trek:ENT" cancelled. Trek has 3 million viewers a week on UPN with a 95% clearance in the US. BSG has 3 million viewers a week, in a later time slot, on cable with a 70-80% clearance. So BSG is winning the ratings war.-----later-----m
Hey ho by radio1_mike	Mar 11th, 2005 11:21:39 AM
I'd pay to see a big budget remake of the TOS. New actors playing the same parts we love. But it would have to a hard 'R' rating. And lose a bit of the perfectness. Kirk is still my favorite, because blowhard or not, he was human. Pick up space chicks, falling in love, fighting, etc.. etc... TNG was a great for FX, but it was passionless. Passion. Hard R and TOS, Can't go wrong.
by Ingeld	Mar 11th, 2005 11:26:12 AM
How about we set the show 230 years before the birth of Kirk and call it JAG. It is about lawyers in the a pre-federation military organization. It involves travel, intrigue and wouldn't focus on special effects, but it takes place in the ST universe--before we really ventured beyond the moon. Cool idea, no?
Capt. Robert April? by riskebiz	Mar 11th, 2005 12:07:41 PM
Okay, so Pike was before Kirk (*I still think that the adventures of Pike would be the best way to go on the big screen with Val Kilmer as Pike) ... but who was before Pike? Was it Capt. April? Does this take place before him?
Just let TREK die!!! by Jeditemple	Mar 11th, 2005 01:06:58 PM
This will never work.
Captain, excuse me, Admiral Janeway cut the Borg's balls off. by I Dunno	Mar 11th, 2005 01:33:21 PM
The Borg were scary because up until that point, TreKTNG was all about floating around the galaxy, explaining to alien cultures how enlightened we are and solving their little probems. Then Q introduced them to the Borg, who immediatly kicked their ass and made them beg Q to send them home. By the time Voyager was done with them they were nothing more than your average blow uppable nuisance enemy. The Borg are done and there's no going back. Really there's nothing they can do. The old formula is tired and no one wants to hear about it. If they change it and try to get grittier or more hard core, it'll look like a shameless attempt to change with the times. Stick a fork it it, throw it up on the ceiling, whatever, it's done.
Why this won't work... by zacdilone	Mar 11th, 2005 01:37:37 PM
For the same reason that "Voyager" and "Enterprise" didn't work. Central to the overall concept of Star Trek is the idea of the Federation and Starfleet. Having Janeway et. al. separated from them broke that continuity (did you ever notice the "Voyager" eps with the most buzz had some connection to the Federation and ST continuity?), and then Enterprise did so even more (and now that there are attempts to start establishing that continuity, "Enterprise" is seen as a better show...hmmm, maybe a pattern here?). Going back to the beginning of warp drive is a HUGE mistake, because the discontiunity there will make "Voyager" and "Enterprise" pale in comparison. Boy, am I a geek.
Maybe Roddenberry meant... by Billy_Oblivion	Mar 11th, 2005 01:37:47 PM
for Andromeda to be set in the Trek universe. After the Federation fell through treachery and internal rot, he would have played the same black hole gag with Kirk or Sulu. I'd have watched it. With all that has passed since those days, we'd probably wind up with people from DS9 or Voyager though. Not ideal, but Worf would be fun if it turned out Klingons were the traitors. Tom Paris would have plenty of chances to screw up. Sisko would be cool, but he's some kind of superbeing now. Done properly, it could be what Voyager should have been. A Star Fleet crew struggling for survival and to hold on to their principles, but entertaining. It'd be interesting if the traitors turned out to be emancipated andriods (making Picard a famous historical fool/villain ala Neville Chamberlain) allied with alien machine intelligences. Maybe Berserkers, maybe something wholly mysterious and mostly immaterial, with unfathomed goals. Have to get Bear, Benford, and Brin to consult. Maybe play it as organic sentients becoming mostly unnoticed cockroaches in the walls of the machine empire? Vernor Vinge territory there. Probably not doable, everyone would think it was a BSG ripoff, when it's actually ripping off older and subtler material. Not a single original idea in the above, but I bet it would still be more fun than anything B&B will come up with. But I do run on.
I don't know why everyone... by Childe Roland	Mar 11th, 2005 02:56:56 PM
...wants them to bring Kirk back in a new series for a crossover with later show's crew. Don't get me wrong, I loved TOS the most. It had heart and teeth and a sense of humor about itself (that none of the other series except, perhaps, DS9 have really come close to matching). Generations was a god awful way to have Kirk go out and a lame attempt to "pass the torch" for the new crew to do movies (why not just do the movies as STNG movies?). I think Generations also showed us that mingling old casts and new in their most recognizable incarnations is a mistake (with the possible exception of the Spock episodes of TNG). If you want more Kirk, you have to pretend Generations didn't exist and do a FINAL Star Trek film. This one is set before the days of TNG. Kirk is an instructor at Starfleet Acadamey who keeps clashing with superiors pushing a Klingon-friendly agenda. He's getting old and a little crazy, but he uses his charisma to encite a class of gifted cadets to help him commandeer an experimental starship carrying a souped-up version of the Genesis device (which his former fling Carol Marcus willed to him at the time of her death with a recorded plea for him to avenge their son). The mission? Wipe out the Klingon homeworld and do as much damage to the Klingon fleet as possible along the way. Starfleet tries to cover up the activites of the rogue Commodore Kirk, but as tensions mount between the Klingons and the Federation, Ambassador Spock deduces the cause. Captain Sulu has volunteered to come out of retirement and take the Enterprise C in search of Kirk, but Spock argues that nobody knows Kirk better than he does and Starfleet agrees. So Spock and Sulu are out trying to chase down Kirk and his crew before they wipe out the Klingons. You could make all kinds of nods to continuity (maybe Kirk gives the Romulans information that will lead to the Khitomer massacre in exchange for a cloaking device) and grand space battles (Spock vs. Kirk? who wouldn't love that?). And end the thing right with Kirk on the verge of destroying the Enterprise C (after which he'll surely destroy the Klingon homeworld) but coming to his senses just in time to stop his first officer from firing. Then Kirk could say something like: "It's a far better thing that I do..." and trigger the Genesis Device aboard his ship, creating a lush sattelite for the Klingon homeworld that helps to solve their resource problems and strengthen the empire again. Maybe Spock even manages to squeeze in a: "I have been and ever shall be... your friend." That's the movie they should make, before the actors get too old for even these roles to be credible.
I could save Star Trek...really by sacul1138	Mar 11th, 2005 03:01:24 PM
I just don't want to. My love hate relationship with Trek goes deep. The Kirk era is fun to watch the Picard era can be great at times...but everything since has been to weak. DS9 only got mildly interesting after Worf shows up, Voyager was the worst of all...I'd have fucking Kill Janeway for everytime that bitch did some lame ass moral trip when we could have gotten home instead. Enterprise...well can't say I've watch two and a half episodes total. But I do have the key to save Trek and make it good again, but I've got this damn pudding to eat...sorry
Captain Sulu and the Excelsior! by Holly_Wight	Mar 11th, 2005 03:30:42 PM
Come on! We all want it! The adventures of Captain Sulu and the Starship Excelsior! How cool would that be? If not that, then why not make a series about the adventures of a group of Orion pirates, or a Klingon ship? The old formula is tired.
Jendresen by Mafu	Mar 11th, 2005 03:48:34 PM
I thought "Band of Brothers" was one of these best minseries I've ever seen. Anyone else think I'm on target with this observation? The writing was tight and dealt candidly with harrowing themes without losing sight of the funnier character moments. I almost think Jendresen is wasted on cotton candy like Star Trek, but I'm encouraged by what he is trying to do with the script. Essentially, I think he wants to jettison all familiar characters and start from scratch, which I whole-heartedly support. Also, he wrote that he wants the viewing audience to "feel something," which is in stark contrast to every other Star Trek ever written or filmed. I've always thought Star Trek wants to be dramatic and tear-jerking at certain moments, but it never is. It focuses on silly plot devices, shallow characters and ideas, and never moves anyone to tears for any reason. I know these aren't reasons Trekkies watch Star Trek, but I'm encouraged the producers chose a writer of Jendresen's caliber. And for the record, the action sequences in "Band of Brothers" kicked major bloody ass, so I think Jendresen is a good writer for the dramatic side as well as the eye-candy side of the story. If this movie is going to be any good at all, though, Berman and Braga need to be fired and then publicly flogged.
Fall of the Federation... by Darth_Nader	Mar 11th, 2005 03:52:37 PM
Roddenberry was working on a 'fall of the federation'. He called it Andromeda. That's the movie I'd like to see. Something along the lines of the last TNG episode. Heck, you wouldn't even have to age the actors. Show the fedarion finally splinter, or fianlly get beaten by the Dominion, the Borg, those creapy body stealing slugs...
you can still "come on your pants" by punto	Mar 11th, 2005 04:15:20 PM
even if you don't have a dick. Also, alpha centauri is like 10000 light years from earth, so you can't go there with sub-light speed travel (no matter how much you ride scottie to get it done faster).
How can they do a post-picard series after the failure that was by krims0nknite	Mar 11th, 2005 04:42:00 PM
Voyager is the reason star trek as a whole is failing. I'm serious. Voyager fails, the execs go crazy because now they try to do prequels since their series in the future failed, now the prequel failed, now they have nothing left to do. They should really use the movie to sell their next series though, that would be a smart move. Make a really good movie, trasnfer the cast and the crew to a the tv series which is a continuation of the movie, boom it's a hit.
Ever since Deep Space Nine went off the air... by Lost Skeleton	Mar 11th, 2005 04:49:10 PM
it is simply painful to be a Star Trek fan. That's it...I'm done. Battlestar is much better than this shit.
10000 light years? by Billy_Oblivion	Mar 11th, 2005 04:49:28 PM
Try 4.4. Proxima Centauri is a hair closer. Doable (if not particularly practical) with known propulsion technology (Orion, for instance) given effective hibernation technology.
Is it me, or... by Spamgelus	Mar 11th, 2005 05:24:14 PM
...are big special effects the one thing the Star Trek movies need more of? I mean, the battle scenes in Khan and First Contact were really great. Do we need another "human interest" story like Insurrection? BOR-RING!
The trouble with prequels... by TheManWho	Mar 11th, 2005 05:33:55 PM
... is that you KNOW they'll come out OK. OK, you know that every ST film will have a happy(ish) ending, but prequels can't change things remarkably, no destruction of the Federation, no extermination of any race we know and nothing capable of causing true excitement. If they made one set after Voyager (either shortly afterwards or centuries later), we would have no idea what could happen. Wars, revolutions, disasters... they'd all have relatively uncertain outcomes.
No, make "Star Trek 11: Star Trek II Part 2 - Revenge of Cyrano by Funmazer	Mar 11th, 2005 05:50:42 PM
Captain Janeway is flying around the galaxy when all of a sudden she's attacked by a strange ship. "Onscreen!" she says to reveal CYRANO JONES from the TOS Tribbles episode. "My name is Cyrano Jones and I'm looking for Capt Kirk!" "Why?" "He setenced me to pick up all the Tribbles on the station and now 30 years later I have! And I want REVENGE!" "Kirk is dead" "You lie! Bring him to face me or I will infest Earth with millions of Tribbles!" So they have to clone Kirk and he teams up with the TOS crew (including a CGI DeForest Kelly) to kick Cyrano Jones and his Klingon cronies butt! At the end Kirk dies (again) but not before pushing a self-destruct level (a la Trek 2) to blow up Cyrano's ship and save the universe. Special cameo by Edith Keeler (also cloned)
Section 31 by Goody2shoes	Mar 11th, 2005 06:00:31 PM
I think a film or series about them would be awesome. Think about it, assassinations, infiltrations, political manipulation and backstabbing, but on a galactic level. I thought it was the coolest thing on DS9 to find out that the Federation (pillars of justice, or whatever) poisoned Odo to get to the Founders. I also thought it was sort of a cop out to find out that Malcolm was in the organization, but was apparently inactive till the Klingon ep. It would've been so much cooler to have found out that he'd interfered with the outcomes of previous missions.
Why not try something people want by cookylamoo	Mar 11th, 2005 06:29:54 PM
Like Star Trek CSI, Star Trek: Law and Order or Star Trek: Survivor?
TOS by chaoslover01	Mar 11th, 2005 09:31:56 PM
The reason the original series was good was that it was NOT politically correct and bland. First interracial kiss on network television, anyone? A new Trek would have to be more daring than the play it bland honchos want to go. And making the military aspect more prominent would also be nice- that was what I liked best about Trek II. Kill Beavis and Butthead, bring back Nicholas Meyer.
Show Idea: Tholian Trek by Holly_Wight	Mar 11th, 2005 09:59:59 PM
It would be a show from the Tholian point of view! Or how about Gorn Trek? No? Then let's have some fun and make TrekScape, an amalgam of Star Trek and Farscape in which the two universes collide because a a subspace anomaly or a Q or something. No? Alright, how about a Trek-based "reality" show, in which a bunch of Starfleet Cadets are rooming together- They could film it like the Real World. We'd get to know Jyf- the sexy Andorian, Moopak- the Ferengi, Quato- the Gorn Exchange Student, and Bill and Jane Jones- the Human siblings from Hackensack.
Andromeda by Bart of Darkness	Mar 11th, 2005 10:07:34 PM
"Maybe Roddenberry meant for Andromeda to be set in the Trek universe." Isn't it amazing how Gene Roddenberry seems to be far more prolific dead than alive. He gets more series sold as well! Could it be that Andromeda (whichs really owes more to Terry Nation and Chris Boucher than anyone else) really had nothing to do with Roddenberry AT ALL, despite what is said officially. Oh, and if Voyager was set in "the future" relative to Next Gen, why is Janeway an Admiral in "Nemesis". Did she get demoted later on? Why is Barclay still a Lt. and not an old man? It is quite clearly established that the events in Voyager run parallel to those in DS9 (the later series anyway).
Re: Andromeda by Billy_Oblivion	Mar 11th, 2005 11:18:37 PM
Nah, the Andromeda concept is typical Roddenberry. He did 2 other pilots about "civilization from the ashes" that I remember seeing as a lad. It's safe to say it was a preoccupation of his. Which is not to say he originated the idea. It's generic sci-fi plot #2b. However, I think Andromeda as delivered was a much deeper construct than Roddenberry could have conceived. At least at first. Now, not so much. It's hard to claim much originality for any of Roddenberry's stuff. 10 minutes into Earth:Final Conflict I was thinking; "Cool, this is either revisiting Childhood's End or This Island Earth." It turned out to be This Island Earth - the novel, not the execrable movie. Roddenberry did little but turn standard SF fare into series treatments. Not that this is a bad thing, if done well. As for worrying about the timelines of Voyager, DS9, and Next Gen, button sorting is not one of my interests.
I remember seeing "Planet Earth". Was Chris Noth in that? by cookylamoo	Mar 11th, 2005 11:49:02 PM

If they keep setting prequels further & further back, ST's gonna by HanFiredFirst	Mar 12th, 2005 01:16:35 AM
I mean, might as well set it during the 1980s when the space shuttle "Enterprise" was being developed. Just thinking about the chronological paradoxes that creates makes my head hurt.
Tompole hit the nail on the head - exactly - we want STAR TREK n by Spacesheik	Mar 12th, 2005 01:35:55 AM
cheapskates at paramount want it to be a prequel so they save on ships, set design and f/x -- theyd love a contemporary star trek set in some souther california town like insurraction with men wearing uniforms working on some gizmo -- fuck that shit
Three words by Dog Of Mystery	Mar 12th, 2005 05:51:07 AM
All Dwarf Cast.
I swear by HailDaHypnoToad	Mar 12th, 2005 10:21:26 AM
B&B just DON't get it do they? I mean FUCK! Stop playing with the myth and expand on it. Thats WHAT WE WANT. THAT's what we will PAY TO SEE. I dispair. I really, REALLY do.
Only 2 things will work by HailDaHypnoToad	Mar 12th, 2005 10:25:00 AM
1. Finally make Star Fleet Academy, with Riker as Commandant of the School and various series regulars as "Guest Instructors" 2. Bring back DS9
The NEXT TREK SERIES by Spark009	Mar 12th, 2005 11:54:13 AM
Okay, here's your big scoop: the next Trek series. Why is it perfect? It fits with the UPN programming line-up! It takes place at Star Fleet Academy-High, a high school in urban San Francisco, where the students have to deal with modern day-type angst and other problems living in a modern-urban-enlightened world. It takes place after the TOS movies and brings back that wacky Chekov as mentor to the misguided youth who somehow manages to stay with them all through high school and into college until the main guy and girl finally get married and their best friend dies in a shuttle accident. Actually, the 160-year comment was a mistake. The next movie is supposed to focus on the Romulan War - the writer has made other comments about sci-fi wars being "sterile" so we know it focuses on a war and takes place before Kirk. 160 years does not fit the Eugenics model either as it places it in the 2070's - after First Contact. Therefore the only logical answer would be the Romulan War. Actually, I'm going to suggest a worldwide boycott of the film, and I predict a monumental flop on the hands of B&B. I actually hope that Enterprise gets picked up by SpikeTV, on the condition the B&B are dropped from it and Manny Coto (who has done an excellent job this season) be given the reins. Enterprise is a series with a lot of potential. It looks to the future and gives a different age, one of exploration and discovering our identity in the universe. We're starting to see that now in the series, and it's a shame that it has to end this way.
Aw, hell, just throw everything into an alternate universe and s by empyreal0	Mar 12th, 2005 11:55:15 AM
The biggest problem with Trek is that they've been too wrapped up in trite, easy moral issues and gaggingly false drama. Remember Trek X? Picard's son came out of nowhere and raised hell, and frankly, I'd be surprised if anyone cared. 1st - Problem with the drama: lack of continuity. People CARE about characters they know. People DON'T care about characters they just met. 2nd - Problem with moral "dilemmas": you are dealing with issues TOO relevant to modern politics and science. We already know what your answer is going to be, and we know you're going to preach. If I wanted someone to preach to me, I'd go to church, I wouldn't watch Star Trek. Science Fiction is about looking ahead. Read up on some science before writing science fiction. I'd be much happier if I knew the writers knew a thing about the holographic principle. If we're doing a prequel, DEAL with the metaphysical problems with teleportation instead of brushing them aside. DEAL with the grandfather paradox in time travel. DEAL with definitions of humanity when altering genetics, not on a moral level, but a political level, even. I want to see science fiction concerned with consequences that doesn't neatly wrap things up in 1/2 hour segments. Maybe everyone's right. Trek is dead. Good sci-fi is dead. Smart entertainment is dead. Let's just go see shit blow up real good.
The metaphysical problems of teleportation by Ingeld	Mar 12th, 2005 02:31:29 PM
This has always made me wonder. If your body is disintergrated and then reintegrated, does your soul follow suit? Since this question is never broached, I would assume that no one in the 24th century believes int he soul aynmore or people in the late 20th/early 21st century aren't comfortable in addressing metaphysical questions. For the most part future humans seem to have done away with spirituality. If a teleportatin device was built and you knew it would work perfectly would you get in? Would you risk losing your soul? Someday the pope and other church leaders may have to make a decision on this.
Billy_Oblivion by Wyrdy the Gerbil	Mar 12th, 2005 03:54:00 PM
Nice to see someone who knows what Orion is and has read Saberhagen,my call on a new "series" would be along the Starfleet Academy lines but a movie using Berserkers hell yes...
Berserkers (Insanely long, with extra stupidity) by Billy_Oblivion	Mar 12th, 2005 10:33:23 PM
You're right, Berserkers alone aren't enough to build a series around. Berserkers would just be the "muscle" of the machine civilization I was blathering about. But your movie idea is good. Wanna make a terrific Sulu movie? On patrol in the Excelsior, Sulu encounters 2 of the "planet-wreckers" from TOS:Doomsday Machine. They were sorta Berserkers. Cool, Sulu knows what to do, toss a sufficiently powerful bomb down each of their throats. Star Fleet, not being idiots, has issued them to the ships that patrol the frontier. Except that Sulu only has one bomb. Of course, he could toss a booby-trapped ship at the other one, but he only has one ship and it's his ride home. Strategems and delaying actions ensue for about 15 minutes until Chekhov shows up in a beat up old science ship just in time with a spare bomb. After the fireworks, the 2 captains are having a drink and discussing old times and old friends. Chekhov's career is stalled out. Never quite the standout Sulu was, Chekhov got a big black mark in his record for his actions during the Khan affair. Letting his captain beam down to the wrong planet, fer chrissakes. He's somewhat bitter about it. The best he'll ever do is his creaky old science vessel, manned by personnel that would never get assigned to the Excelsior. But he's done his best to turn them into a crew. Checkhov has his science officer (a vulcan naturally) doing a post mortem on the planet-wreckers to see if there's anything new to learn. Communicator beeps, it's the science officer with news that they have managed to extract a bit of information from the enemy computers. It turns out there are all kinds of Berserkers. The planet-wreckers are bulldozers - big, powerful, but dumb. Not really combat units at all. See, the standard technique is to send in a planet wrecker. If someone like Kirk manages to kill it, they send something a little tougher. Of course it takes a few years to do this. So they send in a couple of planet wreckers to see how tough the resistance is. Following behind them is the main body. If planet wreckers are bulldozers, the main body is comprised of M1A2 main battle tanks. Smart, tough, and armed to the teeth. With lots of nasty friends. At this moment, subspace interference blanks the screen. The red alerts start wailing. The captains share a look. They're here. Sulu orders a withdrawal; notifying Star Fleet is the highest priority. Chekhov refuses; he has a landing party out there. Chekhov: "You know Kirk wouldn't just leave them there." Sulu: "You're not Kirk." Visibly wounded, Chekhov is about to lash out. Sulu, softly: "Neither am I. I nearly lost my ship finding that out." Chekhov thinks for a moment, reaches his decision. Chekhov: "That shore party has information you need. I'm going after them." Flips a switch: "All hands, this is the captain. If I have to, I can do this with just the bridge crew. Other than them, this mission is volunteers only. The rest of you get over to Excelsior and no shame to you. Helm, full impulse. Let's get our people." Sulu: "Weapons officer - cover him." Several minutes of brilliant ship handling and exploding consoles later, Chekhov retrieves the shore party. Chekhov (burned and bleeding): "Captain Sulu, I'm sending the data the shore party gathered. Use it well. Warp drive is out, shields are gone, weapons are gone, I'm losing containment. I'd abandon ship if there was anywhere to go." Sulu: "Captain... Pavel... I can't get their in time and still get the data away." Chekhov: "I know. You'd better get out of here. Take care of my crew that beamed over. They're better than they know." Looks at Sulu with an unspoken question. Sulu: "You don't know?" Chekhov: "I was afraid to ask." Sulu: "They stayed with you, Pavel. All of them. Maybe you are Kirk, after all." Chekhov (bittersweet): "Good a way as any to end a career, I guess. Now get out of here. I'm going to find out what a warp core breach will do to these overgrown washing machines. With luck, it'll cover your getaway, at least." Sulu nods: "Good working with you again, Captain. Helm, get us out of here. " Helmsman: "Course and speed, sir?" Sulu: "Just run like hell, mister." Cut to Excelsior hauling ass out of the system, with a very bright light expanding behind them and slowly dissipating. Excelsior's science officer: "Captain, I've been looking at the data they sent over. I think there's a way to use it... This data sets up a solo mission to infiltrate the Berserker command base and use a failsafe (all Doomsday Machines have failsafes) to cause the Berserker fleet to deactivate. Hooray, heroes one and all. Cut to Sulu briefing Admiral Kirk on the mission. A shared moment over Chekhov. Finally, Kirk: " Remember what Spock said after the first meeting?" Sulu: "Yessir. He wondered if there were any more out there." KIrk: "Well, now we know there are. And we know they don't give up easily. I wonder what they'll try next..." Dissolve to several Berserker robots (think insectoid Terminators). First one: "Our programming is insufficient to counter the illogic of these biologicals." Second one: "Has the overmind reached a conclusion?" Third one: "Yes, we will attempt to incorporate the biological's best characteristics into ourselves, using prisoners we have captured." First one: "That will take centuries." Third one: "Yes, we must withdraw into another quadrant until ready." Presses a button, and a cabinet opens, steam flods out. When it clears, we see a human baby with disturbingly aware blue eyes and Berserker hardware grafted to his skin. After a beat he says " WE ARE THE BORG..." Fade to credits. The end.
As an old hard core star trek fan I can truely say yes, I want a by TheGinger Twit	Mar 13th, 2005 05:46:19 AM
Fucking lunatics!
Oh Holly You've been reading those other books again! by Real Deal	Mar 13th, 2005 11:00:35 AM
Look some changes were in line bcause a lot of time has pasted since TOS. 1996 has come and gone and no Khan! No war! They changed things to make them a little more believable. I always felt 200 years being " About right " was a little too soon for all of this. By the way why is it ok for other people to make up the mythos ( the Klingon agent's disquise, and all the other stuff that's been filled in by other people not Roddenberry over the years) and not ok for Enterprise?
It may not work by hamo455	Mar 13th, 2005 03:51:56 PM
Far as I could tell, people loved Star Trek in the first place cos it was a fantasy, no real world limitations, only the limitations they constructed for themselves. Using near future physics and technology just isn't escapist enough.
JAMES T. KIRK -- ONE MORE TIME! by jonas grumby	Mar 13th, 2005 10:49:44 PM
Come on you idiots at Paramount.. Bring back William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy as Spock one more time. This film would bring the series back to it's roots and make a killing at the same time. The true Trekkers deserve it one more time before everyone gets too old. Come on the equation is so simple. Capt. Kirk = Big Money. Throw in Picard for an extra bonus. :)
Yo Grumby by HailDaHypnoToad	Mar 13th, 2005 11:44:10 PM
You're talking "Avenger". The Book Shatner wrote to bring Kirk back. Might work, now that I think about it. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

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