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Sweet new BATMAN BEGINS pic! Boy, does he looks pissed off!!

No NEON? by Evil Chicken	Mar 7th, 2005 06:47:56 PM
Welcome back Batman.
Yes. by Gheorghe Zamfir	Mar 7th, 2005 06:52:29 PM
That is all.
Yee-haw by crackerfarmboy	Mar 7th, 2005 06:53:56 PM
This flick will rock! Now let's see if Harry posts my scoop: QT to direct the next F13th flick...seriously.
And the criminal says, "Hey, pretend I'm Spidey and gimme a big by Lance Rock	Mar 7th, 2005 07:03:51 PM

Shades of Burton... by superhero	Mar 7th, 2005 07:11:14 PM
That pic really reminds me too much of the opening of the first Burton pic to get me all excited about this flick...I dunno...the jury's still out on this one for me...at least it looks better than the FF flick...UGH
shades of burton? by tHEmOOG	Mar 7th, 2005 07:14:09 PM
Who are you? His fucking housekeeper? lol deek
I miss 'dem BatNipples! by Papa CaveDweller	Mar 7th, 2005 07:15:16 PM
Bale rocks but I so hate the f'n rubber suit.
What are you? by bluebottle	Mar 7th, 2005 07:18:33 PM
I am the night...
He's pissed off because everyone made fun of the teaser poster by Tall_Boy	Mar 7th, 2005 07:18:42 PM
"I WASN'T LOOKING AT MY COCK, GODDAMNIT!"
Awesome. But I wonder.... by odysseus	Mar 7th, 2005 07:20:31 PM
...why must all batsuits look/be rubbery? Is there some technical costuming reason that some kind of cloth/spandex suit wouldn't work on the big screen? It's just that rubber doesn't look like it would allow much mobility for a crimefighter. Besides, isn't Christian Bale pretty buff, anyway?
Everything's great except the Burton/Schumacher rubber suit. by riskebiz	Mar 7th, 2005 07:23:55 PM
Again, if you are rebooting, why go with the rubber suit? It bunches up there in the arm pits and necks something terrible. Why not a black leather mask and cape? Why not a black fabric similar to the fabric used in Spiderman? Why black rubber again? Makes no sense, especially since they were going back to square one.
explore that forum and you can find some great pics of the scare by George Newman	Mar 7th, 2005 07:26:19 PM

by JUSTICE41	Mar 7th, 2005 07:28:12 PM
The suit could have been made out of the same stuff the ninja vampires wore in Blade 2. In the early scene when the two attacked blade to deliver the message. Look at that material and how cool and flexible it is.
badass.... what does it look like the bat suit has a polo shirt by Big Bad Clone	Mar 7th, 2005 07:38:12 PM
I would have bee awesome to see a big budget version of the batsuit from Batman: Dead End.
"rubber" by FiMo719	Mar 7th, 2005 07:39:30 PM
My only guess as to why they need some sort of thick material is that he needs a bit more protection than Spider-Man, y'know? Bullets, bricks, bats and the like... While rubber itself may not be a great choice, I'm assuming they're passing this off as a thick material that happens to look like rubber but is actually really flexible/bulletproof.
The Batman isn't a superhero by Ardee-El	Mar 7th, 2005 08:08:29 PM
He's just a buff vigilante wearing body armor. Altogether now, say it with me: "flexible Kevlar."
hell yes and... by Nerdboy1423	Mar 7th, 2005 08:30:45 PM
I love these pictures,(go to CHUD for more), although at one point I really hated the Batsuit, this one looks more flexible, and although I prefer the one worn in "Dead End" or in the comic books, I no longer have qualms with this version of the suit, as these pictures show an unparalled flexbility unlike the other rubber bat suits
Movie will probably be good... by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	Mar 7th, 2005 08:41:18 PM
but I agree that the suit is lame. Look at the way the shoulder bunches up. I also was hoping for something similar to the spidey suit just with a hood and cape. I've seen some pics where the batsymbol looks somewhat darker, but mostly just one-tone grey and it looks lame. And I don't need it explained to me that the suit makes him bulletproof or something. It's about a guy dressing up as a freaking bat. If I'm in the theater, I've effectively suspended enough disbelief. Would have loved to see what Acheson (sp?) would have done (even if Daredevil was kinda lameo). They didn't have to go cloth like the fanfilms, but a textured, airbrushed, dark grey spandex would have been sweet with a jet black cape and cowl. And I wish the Scarecrow would have looked cooler. Minor gripes, but damn they should have had the balls to try a different look costume-wise. The fucks at WB probably were afraid to make it look "too different" and drive away people who only know the rubber batman look.
Have to agree it looks like the "Kiss in the Rain" sequence from by screenplaywriter	Mar 7th, 2005 08:46:01 PM
I'm sure old Bats is just holding him by his feet ready to interrogate the living shit out him using his two most powerful allies: wit and fear.
Caption: "May parents were killed in front of me... by Mr_Furious	Mar 7th, 2005 09:04:54 PM
and I haven't crapped since. www.theletterd.blogspot.com
Good point about Bats' need for body armor by odysseus	Mar 7th, 2005 09:05:33 PM
I suppose that makes sense. Hopefully, the suit will come off less stiff looking than previous movie versions. The only thing that might be interesting about Batman not wearing protective armor is if he had a masochistic streak, due to survivor's guilt after living through his parents' homicide. Just a thought..... All-in-all, I have positive expectations for Batman Begins.
BAT MAD Pwede na...Matindi 'to ! by el zar	Mar 7th, 2005 09:27:35 PM
Maganda sana itong Batman na ito para mabura si Batmang panget ni Schumacher sa utak ko... "I hope this Batman rocks and blasts the sucky Scumacher Batman out of my head"
Want to see a REALLY badass "Batman Begins" pic? by Admiral Nelson	Mar 7th, 2005 09:50:41 PM
http://inlandempirestrikesback .net/v-web/gallery/batmanpics/ batman02?full=1
The rubber by The Only Woj	Mar 7th, 2005 11:37:06 PM
From what I heard (long ago on BOF there was a guy during preproduction talking about the suit) they had multiple versions of the suit in different materials. I'm pretty sure they had a "cloth" one. In the end they settled on this because it just looked the best. Seriously, it makes more sense to have a guy in a rubber suit be "scary" then a guy in some skin tight cloth. What the guy said about the suit they settled on (the one we all see now) came out to be accurate, so I assume the stuff about the "cloth" padded one is so too. It just didn't work out. Hopefully it's something we'll get to see on the DVD. Did the Daredevil DVD have the "spandex" costume Affleck apparently tried out? I'm not sure. I doubt we'd see it (the Batman one), but it'd be nice to see what they did with it.
The biggest head-scratcher for me is... by Ribbons	Mar 7th, 2005 11:43:43 PM
...why that "prototypical" rubber suit has faux ab muscles etched onto it. I suppose it's not really a head-scratcher (heroes must look "buff"), but it's maddeningly illogical.
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about. by Noriko Takaya	Mar 7th, 2005 11:56:20 PM
It's gonna be sweet, it's gonna be hardcore. I cannot wait. The memory of the Schumacker (sp?) debacles will soon be expunged. . .
Needs a batboat and exploding shark by PutZ	Mar 8th, 2005 12:20:22 AM
I saw the Batman movie from the 70's reran on TV the other day. The exploding shark is truly a great moment in movie history, espcially when it is foiled by "Bat-Shark Repellant" Adam West if only the academy had recognized you!!! hey this actually friggin works!!! http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=15 911055
IGN Filmforce has more pics. by Boxclocke	Mar 8th, 2005 12:35:01 AM
Just thought you'd all like to know...
Here's to hoping that moviemack and I are wrong... by kintar0	Mar 8th, 2005 01:06:12 AM
But everything that gets released is in the leaked script. It's a shame, because what the world really needs now is an awesome Batman movie. Not my Batman, not moviemack's Batman, not anyone's "personal Batman." Just a good Batman movie. I won't hold my breath.
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lol Mr_Miracle by Gheorghe Zamfir	Mar 8th, 2005 02:34:17 AM
"what the world really needs now is an awesome Batman movie." Yes, THAT'S what the world needs. And what us talkbackers need is to get outside a little more.
I agree with Moviemack, from everything we've seen so far, it lo by BEARison Ford	Mar 8th, 2005 03:35:38 AM
... i suspect most changes were to dialogue, etc. Personally, I just hope Gordon is handled better than he was in the leaked draft. If not, it's going to be a true waste of both the character, and the phenom casting of Gary Oldman.
More great news from the WB! by Bcphil	Mar 8th, 2005 06:16:48 AM
I must say, everything coming out about Batman Begins has been amazing and I find it impossible to wait any longer to see this movie. The suit is awesome! It's a million times better than anything we have seen to date on film for our favourite caped crusader. The plot is absolutely a home run, how could it not be with Scarecrow, a definite nod to hard core fans!!! The new Bat Mobile kicks ass and I can't wait until it is released in toy form, as with so many of the characters, the action figures for this movie are going to be must haves! After seeing Constantine, yet another movie the WB nailed, I know this incarnation of Batman will be thought of as the definitive version, there is so much talent in the mix of this movie that it will make people forget Star Wars and frankly anything else that comes out in 2005. Put out the Bat signal for comic fans, a great action movie is coming to town!
Percent of the Leaked Draft by The Only Woj	Mar 8th, 2005 07:29:56 AM
Goyer said in an interview (it may have been with IESB) that 70% of his sets made it into the final script. From the dialogue we've heard thus far, especially things we've heard Bale say in the trailers, the dialogue is new. It'd really shock me if most of Goyer's dialogue was in the final draft. It's my bet that Nolan did a rewrite on the dialogue (more proof of this is that there is apparently a "sit down" between Bruce and Falcone instead of the little fight at the docks the leaked draft boasted). While I liked the leaked draft, I wasn't too hot on some of the dialogue or the fact that things said early on came up later. Little things that you go "oh, that happened earlier in the movie". was a little corny. I'd imagine Nolan did away with this or made it more subtle. That's enough of my BSing for now, hopefully I'm right. It'd be hard to imagine Nolan doing Goyer's draft or the talent of the film signing on to it and praising it (as Bale, Caine and Neeson all have) as a great script.
I like the uncertainty... by Childe Roland	Mar 8th, 2005 10:32:14 AM
...that these rumoprs of massive script changes are causing even among the most steadfast of this film's pre-release critics (moviemack and Mr_Miracle, you know I love you guys, right?). That's how you're supposed to feel before a movie of a character or property you love comes out. You're supposed to be wondering whether it will be good... whether it will do any kind of justice to the ideas behind it. I'm only sorry that you guys ever read that originally leaked script because you're looking for clues in the teasers and trailers and snippets we're getting now that support the idea you've been beating to death for so long (i.e. "The script I read sucked. This was in the script I read. Therefore, this movie will suck.") instead of taking the things we're seeing and hearing now on their own merits. You're looking for reasons to hate the movie before even seeing it and, to me at least, that just doesn't make sense. I'm jazzed by almost everything we've seen so far (and I still haven't read that damned leaked script). I agree that the suit is a bit familiar and that might be a mistake in that it associates the character with what Burton and, much worse, Schumacher made of him. But it's still a pretty bad-ass looking costume and certainly isn't a deal breaker for me. Overall I'm excited about seeing a new take on Batman (I think we can all agree that, theatrically, we needed one) and what this new group of talents has made of him and his mythos. And, again, I will promise to come back here and laugh my ass off at it (or rant and rave right along with you guys) if it ends up sucking. But I'd rather it didn't.
pic is broken now by treadwell	Mar 8th, 2005 10:57:04 AM
Thanks for the link, but you guys need to start copying stuff like this to the aicn server so these news items don't make themselves moot so quickly.
The Rubber suit sux. How come Spidey and X men had cool looking by Papa CaveDweller	Mar 8th, 2005 11:06:02 AM
Flexible body armor my hairy ass!
Good cast... looks good but the jury's still out by Blair_jedi	Mar 8th, 2005 11:23:09 AM
This movie SHOULD rock but who knows. Christian Bale is a good choice for Batman.
fuck the suit!! by Mr Chuff	Mar 8th, 2005 01:16:36 PM
Ever sat here and typed a load of old piss about how in X-Men, Wolverine's hair looks like the comic in the first scene you see him in? No... fuck how the suit looks...Stop pissing and moaning about every tiny detail. Go fill your lives with something more worthwhile. I've been a fan of Batman since I was a child and the suit doesnt bother me one fucking bit. By the way... the film has FINISHED shooting so all this whinging about the suit is a waste of time anyway.
Heres a link to the picture they were TRYING to show... by nomad202	Mar 8th, 2005 02:04:16 PM
http://cmgponline.com/go/dmgpr oductions/begins_batman_rain.j pg
The script did NOT suck. by Black Jesus	Mar 8th, 2005 02:23:39 PM
It was pretty damn good, actually. And this movie will be as well. It'll certainly be better than any of the other Batman movies, so you whiny fucks should be thankful for that alone. I swear people will bitch about anything. I bet if it was a 100% perfect translation of the comic you dipshits would STILL find something to complain about. OMG HIS SUIT ISN'T THE EXACT SAME SHADE OF GRAY AS IT IS IN ISSUE 251!!!! FUCK THIS MOVIE!!!
Another Batman Script! by ComputerGuy68	Mar 8th, 2005 03:03:47 PM
http://www.generationr.net/bat man/ I just came across this yesterday. Yes it's old, but for those who may have missed it, enjoy!
As long as it's better than "The Batman" by ComputerGuy68	Mar 8th, 2005 03:10:34 PM
God what a poor show... That armpit bulge does look stupid, time for a new design.
Another Happy Meal movie by Rupee88	Mar 8th, 2005 03:58:06 PM
Sadly, I suspect that is all this will be.
C'mon, Black Jesus... by kintar0	Mar 8th, 2005 04:28:23 PM
What was so "good" about the leaked script? Those of us here who didn't like the leaked script have lots and lots of examples of how it sucked. You don't offer even one. Put on your thinking cap and come up with just one thing. You swear people will bitch about anything? Sure, apparently people will even bitch about people bitching. If Batman Begins comes out and is 100% perfect, what would there be to complain about, moron? The Talkbacks don't need another hyberbolic idiot. Please stay home.
(Link below, thanks to an above talkbacker) -- Why does it app by JDanielP	Mar 8th, 2005 05:33:34 PM
http://inlandempirestrikesback .net/v-web/gallery/batmanpics/ batman02?full=1 ...Perhaps it's the shadowing of his back (because of the cape and the above light source) in addition to his right foot in a little too far left, but my first impression of this shot was that it looks like he's got the curve of a woman. This shot looks like he's on the catwalk at a "women only" fashion show. -- I know. It's only one shot from a scene in motion. But hey, when you pull from such a visual medium...
a better question, JDanielP... by kintar0	Mar 8th, 2005 05:44:54 PM
is why is Batman walking down a fully lit corridoor? I mean, he's Batman, right? You know, master-strategist and all? Womanly hips aside, (JDanielP gets one right for once) the Batsuit looks fucking horrible. Why does it look so Egytian? Has anyone seen Jim Lee's Batsuit designs for All Star Batman? You know, the Batman comic he's drawing for fuckin' Frank Miller? True, there isn't one, true definitive look for Batman, but there are thousand better looks out there than this one. Batman only has fucking eyeholes in the movies and Alex Ross bullshit paintings. Because Batman wears eye makeup. (Which is even talked about in the leaked script.)
Quit whinging about the goddam costume by hamo455	Mar 8th, 2005 06:06:54 PM
It will look better on film than it does in stills, cos costumes almost always do. If that's all you fucks can find to pick on, go watch the Matrix for the 4000th time.
"Quit whining about the goddam costume." To dust off an old Talk by Ribbons	Mar 8th, 2005 07:01:11 PM
Um, if I don't like the suit I certainly have the right to say so (just like you have the right to tell me not to and I have the right to tell you not to tell me not to and so on and so forth), and the fact that you expect me (or "us") to stop by calling us "fucks" is borderline laughable. So the suit doesn't bother you "one fucking bit?" Good for you. It bothers me. Not only is calling the happiness of the person who makes a legitimate criticism a cheap shot and a straw man, it speaks to an insecurity of your own opinions.
Bruce Wayne fell in a vat of bats... by ComputerGuy68	Mar 8th, 2005 07:23:29 PM
Somehow he survived...but changed. Into a maniacal rubber Bat!
I have to agree about the suit... by Anlashok	Mar 8th, 2005 08:35:42 PM
Realism be damned, that thing is ugly.
BATMAN - THE OTHER MOVIE LINK by kurse23	Mar 8th, 2005 09:59:44 PM
http://www.datacurrent.com/phi l/Batman%20-%20Dead%20End.mpg
No shortage of morons around here. by Jon_Snow	Mar 8th, 2005 10:49:33 PM
For those of you who feel the need to shoot down every aspect of these new images from Batman Begins - here's a scoop. These are production stills - NOT movie stills. To the guy who has problems with Batman walking down a fully lit corridor - give me a break. Ever heard of post production? Guaranteed that scene will be much DARKER once they do the compositing - and the fact that Batman will likely be surrounded by a teeming swarm of digital bats. The pictures that you are seeing have been taken by somebody on set with a digital camera - these photos are likely part of a catalog of images that help the creative team shape the vision of the film. I used to find these talkbacks informative and occasionally amusing. Now they seem to be rife with individuals with an axe to grind with every movie production that comes along. Too bad.
Jon Snow by Ribbons	Mar 9th, 2005 12:34:50 AM
I can't speak for everyone else here, but you (obviously) don't know me well enough to tell me I "have an axe to grind." I've stood up for other aspects of this movie at the expense of ridicule by others and I have absolutely no problem with lending support or even praise to someone's work. I think I'm entitled to make a reasonable observation about Batman's costume if I feel like it without having to be put on trial for it. And if you respond, I'm aware that you might not have been directly addressing me ("somebody has too much personal investment in his words, yadda yadda yadda"), but there are others out there who you could have been addressing directly or indirectly that may be in the same shoes I'm in. I know you want to be positive about this movie, and I know that TalkBackers are cynics in general, but give people the benefit of the doubt as far as "being negative for the sake of it" goes. It was what came to mind after reading this article; I'm not going to suppress it and either say nothing or say something insipid like "Great cast, hope it's good!" just because nothing else is upbeat enough for you. Or, if you want me to fill in the blanks, here: I don't like how ab muscles are etched onto the costume. Too often in superhero films, characters' suits have a "physique" that's supposed to make the actor cut a more dashing figure. Then again, I suppose it would look better than formless rubber. It's one of the necessary evils of the genre. Still, it's no barometer of whether or not the movie will be any good. I've liked some of the footage I've seen so far and I think that Warner Bros. has a great cast. On the other hand, I don't necessarily trust David Goyer. I certainly hope it's good as the character of Batman has a lot of potential, but as I haven't exposed myself to the script yet, I'll find out with the rest of the general public when I go see it. There. That better? Does that lower your urge to kill? I can't believe I went back and wrote a longer version of my post when they essentially say the same damn thing. What the hell was the point of that? Maybe it was because you said "moron," I don't know (incidentally one of the most overused words on TalkBack. Then again, I'M supposedly the negative prick, so maybe I ought to keep my opinions on other people's "good intentions" to myself).
Ribbons by Jon_Snow	Mar 9th, 2005 01:36:13 AM
Regarding your comment on Goyer - I don't trust him either. Its Chris Nolan that I put my faith in. Goyer gave him the story and a framework within which to put the film together, but its Nolan who will polish this film to such an extent that Goyer's fingerprints will be all but erased.
Also... by Ribbons	Mar 9th, 2005 01:37:02 AM
...I've just realized that "at the expense of ridicule by others" means the opposite of what I actually intended for it to mean. Whatever the case, you get the idea. Maybe I AM a moron. Jeez.
Bulletproof rubber? by Hairy Nutsack	Mar 9th, 2005 06:49:15 AM
There are so many problems with that damn suit. Rubber isn't bulletproof and there is no way to make it so. Rubber is waterproof so Batman would be baking inside that thing inside of 5 minutes and dehydrate in another 15. The bunching up of the shoulders is unforgiveable, but at least he can turn his head unlike Keaton's suit. What would have been wrong with a dark grey Kevlar suit with some well placed pieces of body armor over or under the Kevlar in critical areas like the heart, and ballsack? Also, I have yet to see a picture that has the little bat wing curves at the bottom of the cape, maybe the bottom of the cape is just curling up but if they're not there then WTF? I am looking forward to this movie inspite of the STOOPID choice for rubber. One thing, where the hell is the Scarecrow's hat? He looks lame without it.
Has to be rubber... by Jon_Snow	Mar 9th, 2005 08:49:03 AM
If you have seen Dead End, then you would realize the suit must be made of some sort of rubber composite. To instill fear in his enemies, the suit must look at least somewhat menacing - and I'm sorry, the Dark Knight fighting in pajamas just won't do it. The actor in Dead End was almost bodybuilder huge, and his musculature wasn't that impressive through the spandex pajamas. The suit must be rubber in order to sculpt an intimidating look to it... sorry. I think most, even the "fucktards", realize this deep down in their stunted psyches, but its much more fun for them to bitch, bitch, bitch.
sigh...rubber suit just plain sux. by Papa CaveDweller	Mar 9th, 2005 09:28:05 AM
Spiderman's movie costume was enhanced with rubber. The mask was even molded. Nolan could of gotten away from the Burton version and truly made this a year one. Maybe the custome could of later of been developed into a kevlar armored suit.
"Batman only has fucking eyeholes in the movies and Alex Ross bu by Childe Roland	Mar 9th, 2005 10:35:53 AM
Good point, Miracle. And we're talking about what, again? Oh... that's right... a movie. And last time I checked, Ross was held in pretty high regard for creating what most comic fans agreed were the most realistic interpretations of what superheroes (Marvel and DC) would look like if they had to get dressed in the real world. It amazes me how you can bitch and moan about a Batman movie you haven't seen because of what you're afraid they've done to it, yet in a Star Wars talkback you'll climb down the throat of someone who dares express a dissenting opinion about the relative quality of the prequels as films thus far. Hypocritical much?
Nope, Roland... by kintar0	Mar 9th, 2005 11:03:10 AM
not hypocritical at all. If Darth Vader looked drastically different than he should, I wouldn't be able to defend it. Does Vader look different in Episode III than he does in the Original trilogy? You bet he does. Drastically so? Nope. And you're also purposely missing the VERY obvious: I HAVE seen what the Batsuit looks like, so I can have a "perspective." And while we're on the subject of "realistic," wouldn't a non-superpowered superhero who operates in darkness most of the time rely on some kind of night-vision? You know, conveniently integrated into his cowl? Back to Alex Ross, dude sure can paint, granted, but he's got a bad habit of using celebrity likenesses as a basis for his character studies. I don't like it in Ultimates, and I don't like it when Ross does it. Mr. Fantastic is not the Proffesor from Gilligan's Island. That's lazy. But hey, go ahead and defend the rubber suit that WE'VE ALL SEEN even if you want to pretend we haven't seen it. You'll note that all of my comments about Batman Begins sucking are about the leaked script, the trailer, and any leaked or official pictures released. I'll say it again for the umpteenth time: I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong if Batman Begins comes out and is great. But once again, not holding my breath.
Again, Miracle, you fail... by Childe Roland	Mar 9th, 2005 11:29:54 AM
...to get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions and attacking what you think are other people's positions. You typed: "But hey, go ahead and defend the rubber suit that WE'VE ALL SEEN even if you want to pretend we haven't seen it." Yet I typed in this SAME talkback: I'm jazzed by almost everything we've seen so far (and I still haven't read that damned leaked script). I agree that the suit is a bit familiar and that might be a mistake in that it associates the character with what Burton and, much worse, Schumacher made of him." Does that seem like I'm defending the suit? Can you even read or do you have a search and speak engine on your computer that reads you only the portions of other people's points that support your own view of things? I do go on to type: "But it's still a pretty bad-ass looking costume and certainly isn't a deal breaker for me." While bad-ass may not be the most eloquent description, it is fairly accurate. I wager you'd piss yourself if somebody of Bale's stature approached you in this suit with a mean look in their eyes (especially if you could see those eyes), regardless of the time of day or lighting conditions. I attacked your statement about the eyes (a very specific element of the costume) because it was a whiny, nit-picky "I am going to find a reason to hate this no matter what" thing to say, especially in light of the fact that Btman has been portrayed - very popularly, I might add, in case you're looking for a copy of War on Crime - by Ross as having eyeholes in the comics. You need to chill and stop freaking out when every little thing doesn't go your way. You'll live longer and perhaps (although I doubt it) be happier.
Ok, what the fuck are eyeholes? by Gheorghe Zamfir	Mar 9th, 2005 12:43:23 PM
Not to sound stupid, I THINK I know what they are, but I have no idea why anyone would be complaining about them, the movies use eyeholes, so what are they in the comics? I'm not being argumentative, just not understanding the complaint, so if someone could just gimme the 411 on this real quick.
Eyeholes... by Childe Roland	Mar 9th, 2005 02:02:38 PM
...are the holes in the mask through which Batman sees. In many of the comics, they're depicted as white lenses set into the cowl. Hence, you only see white where his eyes are (although sometimes those white eye lenses seem to emote as if they were eyes, complete with flexible borders, so I'm not sure what technology would give lenses that capability, but I digress). However, in the movies and most of Alex Ross' comic paintings of the character, they're eyeholes. As for why anyone would complain about them, ask Mr_Miracle. They really seem to bug him.
Batman is retarded or just evil by Rupee88	Mar 9th, 2005 02:31:30 PM
Every time he catches the Joker, he doesn't kill him. Instead, he turns them over to the authorities, so they can lock him up for a short period until he breaks out of jail and kills a bunch of innocent people (innocent like Bruce Wayne's parents). Then Batman catches him, refuses to kill him, and turns him over the authorities, so he can break out of Arkham again and kill more innoncent people. That is why I can't get into Batman...because he is stupid or just likes to see innocent civilians killed.
It's the cape that REALLY sucks... by Kid Z	Mar 9th, 2005 04:53:22 PM
... it looks like it's made of velvet, ferchrissakes! (What, is Batman, in reality, George Costanza??) And no scallopped, batwing edges! I mean hell, they could've done a little better than having it look like Bats just grabbed a throw from the linned closet and tied it around his neck...
You can't please everybody by Ribbons	Mar 9th, 2005 04:57:09 PM
I suspect that if they covered these eyeholes of Batman's people would be bitching that you don't get to see Bale "emote" sufficently and which, to me personally, is a more valid criticism. It's a judgment call on the costume designer's part, basically.
One design idea is to have white (or black) translucent lenses . by JDanielP	Mar 9th, 2005 05:30:51 PM
Whatever the case, whatever your opinion, eye-holes or not, rubber or latex, the Bat-suit should look awesome. This one does not. -- As to the cape not having those points, I assume it folds out to reveal them. (I do love the shot of him gliding down within a building, ...looking similar to the "exaggerated cape" you can find in various Batman comic books.) -- I can already tell you that my favorite shots of the costume will be in heavy shadow, in silhouette, and with open cape. Everything else seems to be prone to criticism.
batmans pissed because... by satansteve	Mar 9th, 2005 06:49:44 PM
the criminal didnt want to re-enact spider-man. just kidding, this movie is gonna rule i really cant wait.
"Menacing" and "Intimidating" are in the eye of the beholder... by Anlashok	Mar 9th, 2005 07:48:44 PM
I find the Dead End outfit far more intimidating then rubber boy. As for being afraid if rubber boy approached me in a dark alley with an angry glare. I get nervous when old ladies get too close to me at an ATM, so that isn't saying much. In the end, the whole " Batman needs battle armor, so he has to be bulky" is a very poor argument. Comics and movies are visual mediums who largely cater to what's attractive to the eye. Well, my eye likes nifty not shitty. There's absolutely no reason why you can't make a decent looking batman outfit, regardless of the rest of the films quality, this should be the no brainer. "But he has to be bulletproof!" Fine, whatever, here you go: his outfit is comprised fo a heavily woven synthetic polymer (which is suspiciously grey ) designed by Waynetech. It is very expensive, so much so that a broad application throughout the military is not an economically viable option at the moment (ensuring that not everyone is running around with it). Hell, you can even have Batman add his own modifications to the material highlighting his scientific genius (which hasn't really been shown yet.)There, you have a Batman suit that doesn't look like he's retaing water,plus he's also "protected" from those scary bullets you realist are so worried about.
Translucent lenses by Ribbons	Mar 9th, 2005 08:03:18 PM
I don't know how well that'd translate to the screen, JDanielP. You still probably wouldn't be able to see Bale's eyes through them except in extreme close-up.
Rupee88 by kdog69	Mar 10th, 2005 12:09:14 AM
Batman doesn't kill the joker because he believes in justice. He made a vow never to take a life and has so far kept it. If he were to kill the joker or any other criminals, what would make him any different than those he fights against. An issue during the Batman: Hush story-line explains it pretty well. He has come pretty damn close to killing joker. Also, batman isn't the only superhero that doesn't kill his villains. Spider-man, Superman, the flash, there are more comic heros that don't kill their enemies than those that do. Also, if batman ever killed the joker, the comics would kinda start to suck.
miracle and enyone else complaining about eyeholes... by kdog69	Mar 10th, 2005 12:16:23 AM
it is only in the recent comics that batman has had night vision goggles or what ever those translucent lenses are. In many comics, not even just alex ross,when they show a close-up on batman, he has eyes. it's just a drawing style. green arrow sometimes doesn't have his eyes showing. does that mean he has night vision goggles? No! It's a drawing style. Please pick on something about this movie that is actually major and not just 3 year old bitching.
What the main character looks like isn't major? by kintar0	Mar 10th, 2005 01:02:21 AM
Defend the eye-make up, then. Whatever. You all can keep on defending something you haven't seen, I'll keep on criticizing something I haven't seen. I think rubber suit, Egyptian spray-painted belt, velvet cape, inner tube neck, cape buckles, mono-hued, eye holes and eye makeup Batsuit looks stupid. I don't think it looks bad-ass.
eye make up worked ok in the first two bat-films... by kdog69	Mar 10th, 2005 01:14:17 AM
even if the films themselves were shitty. the fact is, no one has complained about it until now, which is pretty pathetic. Go support your adam west dressed batman movie. And your right... your are criticizing something that you haven't see (weather that was what you wanted to type or not). Wait to see the finished film and see the suit in full motion. Not just production stills. And please list all the problems you have with the script, so you stop sounding like a broken record.
And no, miracle, it isn't major... by kdog69	Mar 10th, 2005 01:21:03 AM
It's all about the movie itself. Green Goblin's garb sucked power ranger shit, but in the film he was creepy as hell since their was a great actor and great director involved.
New NEW Batman Movie by adam_west	Mar 10th, 2005 02:28:15 PM
OK, I don't really understand why everyone gets so upset about a movie they haven't seen yet... Wait until "BB" comes out, THEN we can love it or trash it... In the meantime, if you haven't already checked out www.daveschool.com, you absolutely MUST!!! If this doesn't put a shit-eating grin on your face for the rest of the day, you need to be put in the Total Dehydration Machine.
by adam_west	Mar 10th, 2005 02:47:21 PM
It ain't an opportunity squandered until the print ships and the curtain rises on June 17. Until then, it's speculation on less-than-forensic evidence. So shaddup already and check out the website I mentioned for a nice bat-appetizer sure to quell even the most turgid soul.
As to the design idea of Batman having translucent lenses (white by JDanielP	Mar 10th, 2005 06:51:30 PM
Otherwise, Bruce's pupils could be computer animated in a realistic way. -- There are SO MANY WAYS a Batman movie could be interpreted, in both visual and artistic terms. And in fact, there are MANY ways I'd love to see Batman visually interpreted on screen, while remaining true to the character. (To me, the "eye-holes" are an artistic decision, ...an interpretation which is okay with me.) Just look at the many artistic styles that Batman has been drawn and painted in comic books and graphic novels. It goes to show that there can be just as much variation with movie interpretation (and video game interpretation, for that matter). How I would LOVE to see a sculpted, "pro" body builder style Bat-suit that looks similar to the way Simon Bisley painted him in the Batman/Judge Dredd crossover "JUDGMENT ON GOTHAM" (1991) along with the exaggerated Batmobile (in which you couldn't possibly see out the windshield because of the high hood-scoop), with how the artistic style is so cool. Even Batman's "white eyes" (red or whatever) could be computer animated. -- I figure that in my lifetime, I won't see NEAR the variation in artistic style that I dream of seeing ... of the many POSSIBLE interpretations for Batman's visual style within film. The comic books and graphic novels have been way ahead of Hollywood for years. Hollywood is going to have to "catch up" if they want to gain ground against the video game industry, when it comes to winning the entertainment buck. I'm curious which industry will lead the way into the future.

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