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First Test Screening Review of BATMAN BEGINS'!'! So Says... TheMan...

Gary Oldman, Morgan Freedmon, Liam Neeson, & Michael Caine? Hol by Ralph Cifaretto	Feb 10th, 2005 09:25:23 PM
Sounds cool, but history sugests otherwise. Still, HELL of a line up.
Well... it's Nolan, though... by Brendon	Feb 10th, 2005 09:27:55 PM
...and that Goyer chap. I can't see how this is going to be good at all. Imagine the clunker dialogue of a Blade III shackled with the shoddy craftsmanship of Insomnia, throw in some Memento style purposeless flash and... Come back Burton
So in summary: It was better than The Hulk? Thumbs up! by Prof. Pop-Cult	Feb 10th, 2005 09:30:09 PM
Man I don't want this to suck. So far this sounds exactly like the Batman movie I wanted to see 16 years ago but didn't get.
RE: Hulk by pulpculture	Feb 10th, 2005 09:32:54 PM
Look, if you think Ang Lee's "Hulk" takes itself too seriously, you simply don't get Lee's restrained sense of humor. The absurd yet noirish shot of Nolte standing outside Bruce Banner's house with the soon-to-be "hulk dogs" all sitting perfectly still and in a straight line beside him is an example. The comic-book graphic that surrounds Talbot when he gets blown up is another. "Hulk" isn't a perfect film, but do please try to pay attention to what Lee is trying to do.
Kind of like a hotter, younger, female version of Alfred... by dr.bulber	Feb 10th, 2005 09:38:18 PM
hotter?
"Secuity came and said itd be distributing numbers and pick 25 p by Triumph poops!	Feb 10th, 2005 09:40:03 PM
Uh...by revealing which number you had and thus how you got in, can't Warner's security now compare that to the list of people they took in? You may not be the anonymous man for long. As for the review, I didn't read much of it -- I would have preferred a more less-spoiler heavy review, or at least one that pushed the major spoilers off to the side. Sorry, but in this case I want to have fun being surprised and judge the final film for myself since it's obvious through test screenings that they still will be making editing choices. But I have a lot of faith in this movie and Nolan.
they have to break up in the end... by Xandr37	Feb 10th, 2005 09:41:32 PM
Batman is dark and brooding. He can't have happiness, it's part of the gig, always has been.
"You simply don't get Lee's restrained sense of humor...The comi by Triumph poops!	Feb 10th, 2005 09:45:12 PM
Dude, that wasn't "restrained humor." It was a really hideous directoral decision, not to mention the most laugh out loud, truly BAD moment in a boring and fucked up film. Hulk breaking out of the base and fighting the army and Bana's final fade-out glaring eye look and line of "You wouldn't like me when I get angry" were the only 2 genuine good spots in that entire snoozefest.
"It's better than the Hulk." Wow, that is such high praise. by Rolling_Stone	Feb 10th, 2005 09:47:13 PM
My last shit was better than the Hulk.
Sixteen usages of the word "good" can mean only one of three thi by SmarkJobber	Feb 10th, 2005 09:47:16 PM
1) The reviewer is sincere, though his lack of English skills paints the picture that he is easy to please -- thus filled with bad taste (to wit, his diss of "Hulk"), and not one to be trusted. /2) He's a plant or a liar. /3) "Batman Begins" is actually good. This is what most TBers (moviemack aside) are hopeful for. Fingers still crossed.
But does it come black? by Silver Shamrock	Feb 10th, 2005 09:57:49 PM
I had such high hopes for nolan then he turns out to be a starfucker of the first order. He was too busy being in awe of Pacino, as the DVD shows, instead of concentrating on making a great movie. Look at me, I'm one on one with Pacino! screw you dude.
Q: What is a Hibiscus? by BYOBkenobi	Feb 10th, 2005 10:11:05 PM
A: A plant. Who sees a movie thats supposedly unfinished and remembers this much fucking detail? If you were for real, how about a review and not a fucking synopsis. Asshat....
Nothing is going to make a star out of Katie Holmes! by BigTuna	Feb 10th, 2005 10:29:19 PM
She is horrible. She acts the same in every film.
Poopie by pulpculture	Feb 10th, 2005 10:29:31 PM
Obviously "Triumph poops!" would have preferred a "Hulk" movie directed by that cinematic genius Michael Bay: all fighting and one-liners edited in a blender.
Holy spelling bee, Batman! by coolhive	Feb 10th, 2005 10:40:21 PM
Holy shit. If this is what kids are learning in school, we're all doomed. Don't teachers grade papers based on spelling and grammar anymore? What the hell is going on? This website has got to stop posting these illiterately written "reviews" by 14 year olds! My eyes are bleeding from this review.
"Unlike Hulk its not boring, and unlike spiderman, it never come by matthooper8	Feb 10th, 2005 10:45:44 PM
Even if he did see it (which I doubt), who cares he's a fool!
Batman Begins Link by Atomica	Feb 10th, 2005 11:06:39 PM
http://www.funpic.hu/swf/numan uma.html
BTW by Atomica	Feb 10th, 2005 11:07:51 PM
Pass this link to All. It must be shown to the world. You will laugh, then cry. http://www.funpic.hu/swf/numan uma.html
was this review submitted by a four year old crystal meth addict by kintar0	Feb 10th, 2005 11:20:59 PM
I hasten to add that this review/synopsis supports many things that happen in the crappy, leaked script. That is all.
DUMP HANS ZIMMER AND I'LL PAY TO SEE IT. by watashiwadare	Feb 10th, 2005 11:22:58 PM
Why do current movies have to have the same three guys score every film, or the same two guys and zimmer's corporation?
Does anyone know where this "leaked script can be found?" by bryce	Feb 10th, 2005 11:28:17 PM
I know i really shouldn't, but I'd like to read the damn thing.
"Obviously "Triumph poops!" would have preferred a "Hulk" movie by Big Dumb Ape	Feb 10th, 2005 11:37:15 PM
I don't know about him, but I certainly would have. At least Michael Bay understands how to make a solid, entertaining, visually fun, summer pop corn flick that ACTUALLY MOVES AND HAS A PACE -- unlike what Ang Lee delivered with HULK, which was the cure for insomnia. I mean, come on! It's the fucking HULK, not Shakespearean drama. How tough of an equation was it for Lee to figure out in the editing room that what audiences expected to see...what they WANTED to see...was the Hulk smashing the shit out of everything in sight? Instead we get a tired, slow moving movie that takes forever to finally get to a good part, topped off with some fucked-up radioactive jellyfish and other bullshit, not to mention a concluding fight that was filmed so dark I couldn't follow it in the theater and even now at home I STILL have to crank up the brightness on my TV all the way to watch the DVD to figure out what the hell is going on. Not that it matters since its still incomprehensible. Sorry, but of recent superhero flicks, the HULK was truly shitty. Bay would've actually made a fun Hulk movie, THAT would have been right up his alley for what Bay does best. Man, Lee's version of Hulk made even DAREDEVIL look like high art. As for BATMAN BEGINS, I have high hopes. Just the "Does it come in black?" line coupled with the look on Bale's face makes me think everyone involved had fun on this movie and turned that energy inward to make a good film. I'm betting this movie will seriously kick ass when it opens.
Okay i'm officially excited for this movie, just please don't co by Orionsangels	Feb 10th, 2005 11:56:21 PM
Eberts on crack
Anybody who puts the Matrix car chase before the French Connecti by pip1345	Feb 11th, 2005 12:03:07 AM
A big, fat asshole.
"...plays Rachel Dawes (pronounced Daws)" by Fatboy_Roberts	Feb 11th, 2005 12:11:58 AM

Gimme a P! Gimme an L! Gimme an A!... by OpticNerve	Feb 11th, 2005 12:14:55 AM
Can you spell PLANT? This review is so bad, it can't be real. "Its fun to watch"?!?..."it's a lot like the star wars movies, or Zorro"?!? C'mon, Really? If this guy is as incompetant as his review pretends to be, he would not have been able to locate the appropriate Email address to submit it, much less type the address into the 'To' field on the Email. And the Tag says it all. People, we are reading a review from 'the man'. Time to wake up and smell the studio hack.
What a rediculous review... by MaulRat	Feb 11th, 2005 12:26:36 AM
I'm sure Harry only posted it because it's the 'only' review of the film... still, bollocks or not, It does leave me wondering just how close that 'leaked' script is to the final shooting script. I would like the movie to be full of great performances. Morgan Freeman is one of my favourite actors, even though he plays essentially the same chap, ala Clint Eastwood or Sean Connery, He's one of my faveys all the same. Liam Neeson was terrific in Kinsey and Rob Roy, and the best thing about episode 1. Bale is a up and comer, however watching the "Does it come in black" line delivered, it just makes me think of a Patrick Bateman-esque "New suit?" "Just picked it up from the dry cleaners yesterday, that's charcoal, and the symbol is something called 'spread monarch'". Katie Holmes is a throwaway. Michael Caine could very well be note perfect for Alfred provided he remembered to pack his sly wit, and Cillian Murphy is a great young actor, would like to see him hit the big time with this... looking forward to it.
Very unPLANT-like and to the point. Look forward to the rest of by Monkey_King	Feb 11th, 2005 12:37:41 AM
Grammar could've been better, but I'm sure he was excited about what he had just witnessed and rushed into his review, SPOILERS or not.
NEW RULE: Studio shills are finally catching on about how to wri by Bill Maher	Feb 11th, 2005 12:46:32 AM
Bad spelling and grammar for once! But even the cleverest of plants gives away telltale signs that this movie will suck. Katie Holmes will not show her tits in the movie. STRIKE ONE! Rutger Hauer, the greatest Dutch actor of all time is given little to do. STRIKE TWO! And once again, a Batman movie will take itself too seriously when a gay couple donning leotards and fighting crime is inherently campy. I'll bet that not once does someone get punched in this movie as the word "POW!" flashes across the screen -the true essence of what Batman is all about.STRIKE THREE! Batman's outta here!
"Ang Lee's Hulk is a masterpiece"... by kdog69	Feb 11th, 2005 12:46:36 AM
Yeah... a master piece of shit. And where's moviemack... he's usually here saying "this movie that isn't even out sucks" by now.
this really doesn't seem like a real movie review by krims0nknite	Feb 11th, 2005 12:47:57 AM
my bet is on someone fooling AICN with a script review. movie reviews always talk alot more about what they actually saw, whereas this review is almost entirely just of the story.
A runaway monorail? "I call the big one Bitey." by FrankDrebin	Feb 11th, 2005 12:55:58 AM
"The ending sequnce is dazzling and will leave you cheering." Welcome to AICN, Mr. Shalit.
"It has very strong themes, revenge, heroism, the courage to do by George Newman	Feb 11th, 2005 01:36:45 AM
That is ludicrous. At least the reviewer didn't pretend to be a fanboy, but GEEZ, who is this guy preaching too about themes in Batman?
This reviewer is a girl. "I knew I HAd to go! So I did. giggle by George Newman	Feb 11th, 2005 01:43:36 AM
There's something about the use of those exclamation points in the beginning, the word-choice and sentence structure, all just cry vagina. "Cillian Murphy gives me the willies"? "Hotter..version of alfred"?? 'TheMan'--I doubt it
Hulk Rocked by Dented Helmet	Feb 11th, 2005 01:44:39 AM
And it will be appreciated in the years to come.
Sounds like some WB douche trying hard to imitate a fan-boy by Bong	Feb 11th, 2005 01:51:28 AM

Holy naked baby picture parental blackmail in a handcuff suitcas by Neosamurai85	Feb 11th, 2005 01:52:02 AM
I have chosen to remain pure... ... ... anyway, we all know what happened last time I got to yaking on a Batman message board, so I think it
Oh and its like SW and Zorro...which star wars? by Bong	Feb 11th, 2005 01:52:04 AM
ESB or TPM lol
??? A difference between spoilers and something obvious... by Kampbell-Kid	Feb 11th, 2005 02:04:27 AM
Oh... my... god! I just found out ketchup is made out of SPOILER tomatoes END SPOILER.
TheMan Has a Beer and Cheets on His English Teacher... by hipcheck13	Feb 11th, 2005 02:11:03 AM
...English IS your native language, right? Nimrod.
It can't be a plant. by DarkStarEX	Feb 11th, 2005 02:28:58 AM
It can't be a plant because the studio puts them out to get people to WANT to read the review. I got a third of the way though and couldn't stand it anymore. Good Lord man, get a spell checker.
LOL, DarkStarEX... by kdog69	Feb 11th, 2005 03:15:17 AM
You typed though instead of through.
Spinds cheap. by Lord_Soth	Feb 11th, 2005 03:24:07 AM
Cheap as a plant!
I mean sounds sigh damn keyboard! by Lord_Soth	Feb 11th, 2005 03:24:46 AM

About "Hulk" "BB", and lack of Ra's Ah Goul by PoopsMcGee	Feb 11th, 2005 03:50:36 AM
I'm not sure if "Hulk" was Ang Lee's attempt to make a film LOOK like a comic book or a condemnation of both comic books and loud action movies. With that said, I'm looking forward to Batman Begins this summer. It certainly seems to have the right cast, but as a wiser man than me once said, "The play's the thing." Oh, one more thing. Where's Ra's Ah Goul in the marketing? Either Warners is purposely keeping him under wraps for the sake of publicity, or he just isn't that big of a role in the movie.
This guy read an "article" about Super Bowl TV spots that mentio by Karl Hungus	Feb 11th, 2005 04:34:13 AM
Sorry, but this "report" is absolute bullcookies.
Hulk was fantastic. by mr_alcatraz	Feb 11th, 2005 04:58:16 AM
If you dont think so, you don't like movies.
Pulpculture by Trevor Goodchild	Feb 11th, 2005 05:16:02 AM
I'm with you. Good example.
hulk was a PoS by krims0nknite	Feb 11th, 2005 05:20:06 AM
seriously, who makes a movie where half of it is filled with cgi and no dialogue. just examine what the movie really contained and you will see it's badly made. you have bruce freaking out.. you have bruce's father... you have cgi in the desert... and then you have nick nolte's freakout which was awesome. that's not what hulk is about though, hulk didn't actually do anything worthwhile in the movie. no crazy rampages... and all of banner's scenes sucked huge.
Hulking out by Trevor Goodchild	Feb 11th, 2005 05:20:37 AM
I love talkbacks when Hulk gets a mention. Gives me faith in humanity when I hear the passion for it. If you didn't like it. You didn't get it. On a negative note though, I hear the sequel will have him smaller almost human size and more heroic so audiences can relate apparently.
Is this review real? by CurryIce	Feb 11th, 2005 06:03:34 AM
hmmm perhaps he's still 15 years old and this was his first review every written in his life meaning it was horrible to read... comparing it with Hulk and Spiderman2??? using the term "good" a thousand times??? next review, please!
Is something wrong with me? by Long_Jay_Bee	Feb 11th, 2005 06:11:00 AM
I don't know why, but I would rather trust a guy, who says that the film he's reviewing was his best experience since he saw "Sideways", than a guy, who says... well, I'll just quote him: "The movies scale is so huge and big and realistic looking that you can bet it cost some big money to create."... "Lame" is not the word I'd use... Harry, you're too delicate!
The Hulk by Phat_Elvis	Feb 11th, 2005 06:27:03 AM
One of the best comic book films made so far. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
New Batman Film by Bcphil	Feb 11th, 2005 06:28:24 AM
I am not the least bit surprised by this news, if there is one company who has consistently got super hero movies right it has been Warner Brothers. In the 3rd Quarter of 2004 I remember many folks feeling like 2005 would not have a lot of quality films, boy were they wrong. Batman Begins looks to be the best Batman ever, a film that's only problem is that no sequel will be able to top it. The script that was on line was simply brilliant, purposefully understated with just the right bit of zany comedy to make it fun and bouncy but at the drop of a dime turning dark and moody. I LOVE the new Batmobile, it's about time they got away from hot rods and muscle cars and went with a modern look, everyone drives SUVs why not the caped crusader? The scarecrow's image haunts me after seeing the promo on the super bowl, looking at that image you see a character that is Lovecraft erie and Dahmer deadly. Liam Neeson will own this role and be the best Ras Ah Gul ever on screen, and many have penned in Michael Cane for best supporting actors nods for his performance of Alfred. Look at some of the amazingly great movies coming out soon!!!!!! Constantine, not a bad review yet, this movie will be the kind of film that everyone has seen and if you haven't you won't be able to hold a conversation with any serious movie fan 5 months from now. Charlie and the Chocolate factory, a movie for the kids but also having that Burton kook that is impossible to pass over. Let's not forget that for the serious horror fan, like myself!!! :), The Ring 2 is coming soon as well as The Jacket. Who could forget the brilliant Million Dollar Baby that is already out! It's time to serve up some crow to all those telling me 2005 would not be a great year for movies, it could be the best ever. It's time to send out the Bat signal to all the fans, great movies are back!
the end Rachel leaves bruce, saying she cant atke Batman away be by ScaryJim	Feb 11th, 2005 06:28:50 AM
Jesus fucking Christ and then what happens ? 'i'm just going out dear to beat up some crims, how about you have my lasagne on the table when i get back, and my other suit may need ironing ' motherfucker ! The sort of person who would vote donnie darko to get off the bed at the end and michael caine to dodge the sniper at the end of get carter .Jesus fucking christ.. incidentally Americans does this 'leave you cheering' business happen often ? are us english just too repressed?? .. And by far the best quote 'The final sequence truly displays that Batman vs. Ra's is basically good vs. evil.' No shit !! and i thought a Batman movie would be about a guy who goes round doing childrens parties dressed as Batman !!
a ton of pissed of ninjas by koomoReborn	Feb 11th, 2005 06:35:05 AM
THAT is the Ain't It Cool catch-phrase of the month.
it has to be a fake by ScaryJim	Feb 11th, 2005 07:10:44 AM
although it semi screams of over enthusiasm it has to be fake - i mean would this voting on the ending actually happen in Batman ? I mean i know it goes on but isn't Batmans loner nature seminal to his character ?
yep by ScaryJim	Feb 11th, 2005 07:42:29 AM
i personally found the hulk very boring .. very very boring . big green cartoon jumping around in slow motion for almost the whole film ... great stuff.
Plant, fake, or an idiot? by SalvatoreGravano	Feb 11th, 2005 07:48:53 AM
One of these. I'd say "fake", though.
"One of the best mentor figures I've sene since, well, Liams cha by Rufus_T_Firefly	Feb 11th, 2005 08:12:30 AM
Hoooooo, boy. Yeah, THIS GUY's opinion is one I'd truly trust. So, WB is hiring kids straight outta fourth grade for its Train-A-Plant Program these days, huh?
"Where's Ra's Ah Goul in the marketing?" by Anlashok	Feb 11th, 2005 08:42:16 AM
Think,"In plane sight"
The Score... by darthferris	Feb 11th, 2005 08:48:42 AM
Supposedly, the soundtrack is gonna be all weak ass nu metal stuff. Good move, guys. The Prince soundtrack went over so well.
Goddamnit...that's by Anlashok	Feb 11th, 2005 08:50:04 AM
"In plain sight"
Batman Begins vs Hulk by jmtoyzilla	Feb 11th, 2005 08:53:46 AM
"Hulk" may be a slow-moving and pretentious film, but it also has strong themes and some great performances. It's a fairly enjoyable movie. But when you suddenly remember you paid money to see a summer blockbuster about Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's The Incredible Huilk, you think-- holy crap I want my money back! (The irritating "artsy" comic book panels, intruding in and destroying the believability of every seen in which they appear-- don't exactly help.) Ang Lee mined the pathos, but not the power-- of the Hulk. The opposite-- a Michael Bay Hulk movie with little subtext or characterization, but with The Abomination getting knocked from New York to San Francisco-- THAT'S A HULK MOVIE!!! As for comparison to the way Batman Begins is shaping up, there's a tightrope WB must walk, combining the core concepts of the Batman mythos with a strong and fairly reality-based story and production design. Spider-Man and X-Men found the balance and made fortunes. Daredevil sort of did and sort of succeeded. Hulk, Electra, Punisher, and Catwoman went too far in one direction or the other and fell off the beam. Yeah, I know Hulk made $100M+ but a Michael Bay Hulk would have topped $300M.
bah by Sith42	Feb 11th, 2005 08:56:28 AM
He got one thing right, it'll perform just like the HULK.. Just like HULK (note a pattern here?) it had a great director, cast, etc, and it took too long to get the main character into "suit".. And once again, like HULK, it has to contend with the multiple versions depicted on film/tv/cartoons.. everyone has their favorite, and that will work against the film.. sorry, but this just sounds like a plant trying to fend off future negative WOM.
And what about... by Gluecifer	Feb 11th, 2005 09:03:41 AM
Ken Watanabe, for fuck's sake!?
Batman...Runaway Monorail... by ScottishCynic	Feb 11th, 2005 09:21:24 AM
Batman...Runaway Monorail..."Homer, I've got a man here who can stop the monorail!" "Is it Batman?" "No, it's a scientist" "Batman's a scientist".
A plant yes, but I'll still go see it by stewiegriffin	Feb 11th, 2005 09:25:16 AM
and so will all the other morons who are putting it down. You know you want to...and you will, if only to come back on here and bitch about it so you can get your 2 seconds of attention nobody in the real world gives you. Yeah, you know who you are...I'm watching you.
Mey furst muvy revew by smackfu	Feb 11th, 2005 09:29:43 AM
Too bad this fucker wasn't one of the 60 that got picked to test the latest Phonics program. I hate to be a spelling\grammar nazi but jesus christ, after reading the first half of the review I couldn't continue, it sounds like this guy has downs syndrome. I can just see the movie poster quotes now, "2 Thumbs up!!!" - Roger Ebert. "A rollicking ride!!" - Gene Shallit. "The building has a huge explosion" - Some Drooling Fucktard.
Goyer may have made a bad film, but he's a capable writer. by Mr. Profit	Feb 11th, 2005 09:50:08 AM
Blade Trinity, (I haven't seen it and can't fully comment), may have suffered direction-wise by a novice director that could not film ambitious action sequences. Hence the limiting script people keep bitching about. I am an aspiring writer, but I don't think I could film a big budget pic if given the chance, maybe I could do what Robert Rodriquez and Frank Miller have done and be a co director, but my ideas get so elaborate, that I would be foolish to try to undertake something so grand. David got the chance, and good for him he tried it. I don't knock him. When he's focused, he can write some good stuff. I don't get the hate. James Gunn wrote Scooby Doo, and look how Dawn of the Dead 2004 came out. Give people a chance. One mis-step shouldn't end your career. Unless of course you are Uwe Boll and Paul Worthless Shit Anderson.
The Hulk by Mr. Profit	Feb 11th, 2005 09:52:56 AM
I liked the film. It should have been a bit more loose. But what do people expect from a movie based on a comic with limited possibilities for a movie adaptation. He get's mad, get's green and big, Hulk Smash! What did people actually expect from the movie? It does not have the appeal of Spiderman or Xmen. Ang did his best with the film, and I don't think they should make a sequel. Also, the film suffered from the older audiences love for the TV show.
Is "Dawes" pronounced any other way? by PanDuh	Feb 11th, 2005 10:08:25 AM
Other than "Daws" that is. Is it pronounced "Dah-wes" pr "Doughy" in England or something?
moviemack by The Only Woj	Feb 11th, 2005 10:14:12 AM
As much as I am "on board" for this film ... I, actually, can't wait for him to get on here and shit all over this review.
WTF by Shigeru	Feb 11th, 2005 10:22:49 AM
you friggin retards, the reason Hulk (the character) is so interesting is because of the greek/shakesperian tragedy overtones to the story, not to mention the jekyll and hyde stuff. The problem was Ang Lee took the "most simplistic" marvel character (HULK SMASH!) and made the most complex Marvel movie out of it. It had flaws, big flaws, but overall it was great. Besides, this dude praised BATMAN FOREVER IN THE REVIEW!
The Hulk... by KOLOBOS REXX	Feb 11th, 2005 10:28:52 AM
...Hulk was fun to watch & well-acted, but ultimately too boring! That whole thing with David Banner & the hulk-dogs could EASILY have been reworked into the Leader & Abomination as the main threats! Add a few more fights, bring Hulk into the movie earlier, rework that awful end-battle, and you would have had the Hulk movie everyone would have wanted to see! That said, I have high hopes for its sequel... And Batman Begins will likely be fun to watch, it just won't really BE the Batman we're used to from the cartoon & comics... Which is really too damn bad.
SPOILER dumbass END by Kielbasa	Feb 11th, 2005 10:31:08 AM
So let me get this straight, the movie is cool to look at AND is awesome. Sweet! And thank god he knew about Batman before going into the movie because he's such an obscure character...
The most over-the-top movie performance of all time by Garbageman33	Feb 11th, 2005 10:40:05 AM
The nominees are A) Nick Nolte in Hulk B) Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman C) Ricardo Montalban in Star Trek II and D) Cary Elwes in Saw. And the winner is Nick Nolte, with Al Pacino picking up the lifetime achievement award.
The Hulk will NOT be appreciated years from now. by Juggernaut125	Feb 11th, 2005 11:00:11 AM
Because people are getting more and more STUPID! The beginning of the film was the back story for those people in the audience who aren't familiar with the comic books. You can't just start the movie with the Hulk smashing stuff. If you think you can tell Banner's origins to a layman in 10 minutes, go ahead. If your complaint was that Hulk didn't SMASH enough things, Hulk smashed through the research facility. He destroyed the "Hulk-dogs", he trashed the military facility and he went toe-to-toe with the tanks and helicopters. His rampage of San Francisco was short, but the part where he rolls the cars in an earthquake type fashion was spot-on. This was the Hulk brought to life on the big screen. A bizarre comic book character presented as a serious live action comic book. The style was different. The intentions were to be faithful to the source, but to make it accessible to everyone. It was a serious attempt at a ludicrous 'superhero'. Isn't that what we, as film geeks want? Movies that take comics seriously? Or do you want another Batman & Robin suckfest? And if you don't want comic book adaptations on film, then DON'T GO TO SEE THE MOVIE ASSFACE!! Complain about White Chicks, or Son of the Mask, where the studios might get the idea that making the movie is a bad idea. But when you complain like a bunch of jackasses about a movie that so many people WANTED to see, then the execs will get the wrong idea, that they SHOULDN'T make serious comic book films. The Hulk was NOT as bad as White Chicks, or Garfield, or so many of those truly BAD films out there. If you can't see that, then maybe its not the fault of the director for not being able to please you....
Huh? by Achilles	Feb 11th, 2005 11:01:38 AM
What, did a six-year old write this? There were a few too many typos, too much bad grammar used. This is a total plant, a studio guy sending it in. Not saying the movie is actually bad, it actually looks pretty good, but this posting is total bulls**t. Par for the course for AICN, though. They love fronting the studio propaganda.
I refuse to read this article ... and I sincerely appreciate the by JDanielP	Feb 11th, 2005 11:44:45 AM
It's just so hard to resist the temptation to look! Somebody cover my eyes! Hell ... smash the computer!!!!
Credible Green Images by Trevor Goodchild	Feb 11th, 2005 11:55:47 AM
Other than the artistic aspects of Hulk it contained the most impressive CGI so far for me. Even over Gollum. Hulk haters don't despair. Hollywood will continue to churn out the same old cinematic shit blisters you know and love. Surely there are enough comic characters to go round. You got Daredevil, Fantastic Four and Batman for a while. Can't we share?
To plant or not to plant? by performingmonkey	Feb 11th, 2005 12:02:25 PM
Actually, this is EXTREMELY plantlike, but dressed up as a genuine review perhaps. Fuck knows. Even if it is a plant at least the studio has laid a little more info down for us to see. HOWEVER, a lot of the things pointed out in the 'review' seem like totally deliberate ways of appeasing fanboys and getting people into actually liking this movie rather than speculating exactly how much it's going to suck. Comments about how it's like Spiderman and not like Hulk are quite conveniently included and just SCREEEEAM plant. It's funny how people recently thought BB was going to take itself TOO seriously and be too dark (no humour). The 'reviewer' goes WAY out of his/her way to allay these fears. Studio plant looking more likely. People were also worried about the scale and production values of this movie. Again the 'reviewer' puts us right, saying it's a movie on a massive scale. People were pissed off that whatserface from Dawson's Creek was gonna be shit in this - the 'reviewer' talks about her stealing scenes! Another point to the studio. People were EXTREMELY worried about the Scarecrow, especially after seeing the costume is unfrightening. But HEY! the 'reviewer' makes sure they point out that DESPITE the costume being a little pussy, the end scene where he goes fuckin' mental makes it worth it. Point to the studio. One more thing - it's obvious that the studio are shitting themselves trying to find out which ending the fanboys would most like - the happy ending or darker ending. Asking the opinions of 60 people in a fuckin' test screening isn't enough so, HEY get it posted on AICN and we'll see what the REAL fanboys think! PLEASE EVERYBODY don't comment on the talkback whether you want the dark or happy ending. You're just fuelling execs' fires. There is ONE fact we should consider for BB - Goyer wrote Blade 3.
Hulk, Spider-Man and Batman by Havok2000	Feb 11th, 2005 12:28:39 PM
If memory serves, Lee and Kirby created the Hulk soon after having a great success with Spider-Man. If you look at the stories' underlying themes and motifs, they're quite similar. Nerdly Nerdlinger (a teen in SM, adult in the Hulk) gets zapped by radiation and develops an alter-ego who can go out and get revenge for Nerdly, but must learn to cope with the responsibility of power. Fine. Comic book readers ARE Nerdly Nerdlinger and would love to have this happen to them. Spider-Man (the movies) were great successes b/c Sam Raimi GETS THIS and visualized this story and not some other one. When Peter becomes SM, he is EMPOWERED by the change - fighting back against Flash, leaping amazing distances - and gets some of the things he wants - basic wish fulfillment. Likewise Donner's first two Superman movies, which got the tone, the fun and the conflict of the story completely right, something no Superman story starring models instead of actors is ever likely to do. Lee's Hulk failed - terribly - because it didn't get these very basic things right. Not only is his Banner exclusively tortured, but the audience doesn't even get to empathize with him re: his secret thrill about his power like they did with the Bixby Banner. Hulk might as well have been directed by Bergman, a version of which we already saw in Shyamalan's Unbreakable, another interesting failure. But hey, I'll still go see Godard's Deathlok or Wong Kar-Wai's Teen Titans on principle. I just won't expect it to necessarily deliver the goods most people are looking for. BTW, this "reviewer" is either a complete moron or a plant ... but I repeat myself. From the Batman Begins (a title I'm not excited about, but it's a million times better than the cheerleader-gay Batman Forever) trailer, it's clear this is the first movie that might come close to delivering the essence of the comic and the character himself --the fetish of it -- the kind of psychopathy that causes a man to design a rubber bat costume and wear it out to fight crime and scare the shit out of people. Think about that. If they had S/M clubs in the 30's - or if Bruce Wayne knew about them - there might never have been a Batman. He could've beaten the crap out of some girl or guy dressed in head to toe latex, gone home and had a nice night's sleep.
SmarkJobber, i think ur very, very wrong... by satansteve	Feb 11th, 2005 12:51:36 PM
most TBers are hoping batman begins sucks, just so they can say they were right. its going to own!
wait a minute,.. by BRUTICUS	Feb 11th, 2005 12:52:29 PM
im supposed to trust the judgement of someone who actually took Batman Forever seriously?
Not a plant by StubePT	Feb 11th, 2005 02:03:18 PM
After reading many a plant reviews on this site, there is one thing that stands out that pretty much guarentees this guy is not a plant. A plant would never, EVER, throw out a spoiler like Duckard = Ra's Al Guhl. Ever!
I just hope they do Scarecrow right in this movie by spectrebeeyatch	Feb 11th, 2005 02:08:49 PM
Because the film already seems jam packed with stuff, about how Bruce becomes Batman, his training, Ra's Al Ghul will there even be time for Scarecrow? I also hope they don't kill him and save him for a sequel, because is one problem comic book movies keep doing just killing off major villians. Sam Raimi is doing it by killing off Green Goblin (which made sense) but then killing off Doc Ock too, we saw this in the other Batman movies as well. So yeah I hope for the Batman Begins sequel they use Scarecrow's return with Two Face because Batman Forever sucked balls and Two Face could have been better.
Oh Yeah Rolling_Stone by Hervoyel	Feb 11th, 2005 02:09:04 PM
"My last shit was better than the Hulk." My last shit WAS the Hulk!
HULK was indeed flawed, but... by odysseus	Feb 11th, 2005 02:11:30 PM
...once Hulk escapes and goes on his desert rampage... man, it's one of the most exhilirating action sequences ever. The rest of the movie: meh. Interesting attempt, but meh.
It's either a PLANT trying to sound like an idiot with a fourth by Doc_McCoy	Feb 11th, 2005 02:16:56 PM
...or it's really an idiot with a fourth grade education. I'm going with PLANT of just plain bullshit review -- not one sentence of this review feels authentic.
StubePT by The Only Woj	Feb 11th, 2005 02:26:42 PM
"Duckard = Ra's Al Guhl" ... well (it is Ducard, but that's besides the point) ... what if there is a "twist to the twist"? BOF has mentioned that there might be something to that affect since the script leaked. Would it be nice to find out, at the very end that Liam was, in fact, just Ducard and that Ra's is still alive? That'd be interesting.
me fail English? That's unpossible. by Hud	Feb 11th, 2005 02:36:24 PM
Since when is Ralph Wiggum writing for you, Harry? Are the studios getting that contemptuous of us that in trying to sound like us, their plants are going for all-out imbecile?
"The building has a huge explosion" - Some Drooling Fucktard by B.NyeTheUruk-Hai	Feb 11th, 2005 03:28:47 PM
Thank you sooo much, smackfu! I almost sharted in my pants after reading your post cuz I was laughing so hard! God bless the AICN Talkbackers. Keep those cynical remarks coming!
"I mean the entire scarecrow, well hes badass, but he unfortuant by Skywalker,Anakin	Feb 11th, 2005 03:43:49 PM
I have to say, that is my absolute favorite part of the review. I'm a big fan of unintentional humor.
What about Ken Watanabe? by Gilderoy	Feb 11th, 2005 04:01:28 PM
Isn't he supposed to be Ras A Gul? What's all this talk about something else?
message for "TheMan" by PlantBoy!	Feb 11th, 2005 04:21:59 PM
Are you 10 years old? I hope so, because you write like it.
Batman was born of the darkness by SpikeTBB	Feb 11th, 2005 04:22:00 PM
They have yet to do a Batman movie as dark as I would like it to be. All the reviews attempts to reassure us that it isn't very dark only make me worry all the more. Whether the writer is plant, man or giggling school girl, it
Worst...Review...EVER by lynxpro	Feb 11th, 2005 05:01:02 PM
How about some Invisio text on the spoilers? Who allowed that to be posted on here?
BATMAN F**KING BEGINS!!!!!!! by Fugazi32	Feb 11th, 2005 05:40:14 PM
Yeaaaahhh!
This review is F'Ing BS, unless "The Man" is actually an ignoran by genro	Feb 11th, 2005 06:02:47 PM

Ra's by performingmonkey	Feb 11th, 2005 06:08:04 PM
There's no reason why a plant wouldn't say Neeson is Ra's Al Ghul because most people on here either already know or could fucking guess anyway - I mean for the love of the cunt, Ken Watsisfuck just ISN'T Ra's, and unless they want thousands of Batman fans fucked off they won't do a double-twist and say that in the end because he AIN'T. Neeson looks like the character so why the cunt wouldn't he fucking be it!! I do apologize if I sound fucked off but i AM. This 'review' is nothing.
Everyone should read PerformingMonkey's comments by genro	Feb 11th, 2005 06:15:33 PM
It is beyond fucking accurate. My bet is that this is the kid of someone WB exec who saw the flick and was asked to send a "scoop". I also agree that this young boy writes a lot like a young girl. So either it's a teen chick or Jeffrey Jones dream date.
pulpculture: i DID pay attention to what Ang Lee was doing ... by Lou C.	Feb 11th, 2005 06:25:24 PM
... and apparently he intended to make a steaming pile of shit. Not only was it terminally boring, the dialogue was dogshit. As for this reviewer, once again i say: Is there a fucking rule against people at this site copy editing material. Or chucking it entirely when the person is illiterate and makes absolutely no sense. Are there ANY standards at all. Seriously?
It bugs me their making Ra's Al Ghul Batman's mentor... by abesapien	Feb 11th, 2005 06:36:43 PM
Its a deviation from the source material that nags at me. Hopefully itll make sense within the context of the movie. I also hope they go with the unhappy ending. Batman should never have a steady gal- its just not in his character. Otherwise, all in all I think we're in for a treat. It sounds like a strong film. It does have echoes of the Mask of Zorro but then again Bob Kane was influenced by Zorro when he created Bats so I guess its OK. I just hope this is a dark film that tackles the character's dark psychology in a realistic way. They do that- I'm one happy Batfan!!!
You sir, are diabolical... by Anlashok	Feb 11th, 2005 07:44:18 PM
Good stuff!
All u Bastards can go ahead.. by jonleeus	Feb 11th, 2005 08:57:18 PM
and say what you want about memento..if you didn't get it then your a schmuck..but thats no crime.The crime is in not realizing that Insomnia is possibly Pacino's best work since dog day afternoon,and nolans confirmation as 1 of the great new directors.PERIOD!!!!
Having said that.. by jonleeus	Feb 11th, 2005 09:02:07 PM
I think this movie could be cool as hell!!! I also thought the HUlk was alright and couldn't possibly give a shit less if the guy (or girl) who wrote this review is a "plant". You all just sound like cheesy fanboy dickheads when you say that.lol
This plot info has been known for months, reveiw is fake by Nivek666	Feb 11th, 2005 10:53:43 PM
AICN staff...Are you guys trying to sabotage the film, or are you just suckers for fake Batman info. First, there was that stupid custumized Corvette you tried to pass off as the Batmobile last year. Then that lame (obviously fake) illustration of the Scarecrow not that long ago, and now this? C'mon guys, whats going on here, this plot info has been known for months, and everything else sounds like the guy either flat out made up, or put together A and B from the footage of the two trailers and the early leaked script. as for the Hulk, I've been a fan of the comics (where the "Hulk smash" Hulk hasn't been around for over 25 years) and I thought it was good despite being critical early on.
"Not enough HULK SMASH!" by Ribbons	Feb 12th, 2005 12:42:35 AM
Urr... spinchter.... tightening... seriously, if you fuckwits want cathartic release, why don't you go listen to a fucking Eminem CD or something? 'Hulk' will not be appreciated in the future because, while ambitious and while atmospheric and while better than movies like 'Daredevil' (which will sadly probably enjoy a longer shelf life...because apparently playground fight scenes/first dates between blind lawyers and angsty heiresses are less painful than all that "philosophy" crap polluting our comic book movies), it did have some pretty big problems. The fact that James Schamus' shorthand for introspection is metaphysical mumbo-jumbo is one of them. Another is that a lot of the plot contrivances hinged on these metaphysics (siccing Hulk dogs on Betty to "release Bruce," for example, or Betty taking Bruce to his old house without really explaining why she thought that would help). Another is that the final fight scene was indeed too dark for its own good. It also won't be reexamined because, as evidenced by a depressingly overwhelming amount of TalkBackers, most people don't even want to look at the Hulk through that prism. They just want to go to the theater in order to get the adrenals pumping and blow off some steam and hey, a big angry guy that smashes shit is a good enough filter for the audience to accomplish that. I think that most of the douchebags clamoring for a Hulk movie along those lines don't realize how truly awful a movie like that would actually probably end up (probably something resembling 'The Punisher,' except less interesting), but whatever. They're getting their wish, and if and when 'Hulk 2' finally does come, it'll have gone through the insidious process of a focus-grouped makeover. My point is that I think Lee and Schamus had the right idea; the psychology and sadness of the character is infinitely more interesting than another id piece. It makes me sad that people don't want that, and I do empathize with the people who are trying to hold back the tide of Hulk haters. "More Hulk smashing stuff." I can appreciate the cajones to admit that you're just not interested in all that "feelings" crap, but there's such a glut of dumb movies that cater to those types of whims that it's a shame to waste a potential goldmine of material because of a misplaced sense of righteousness. You want to see stuff blow up real good, have the guts to actually watch reputably bad movies instead of demanding a franchise banner to hide behind.
moviemack by The Only Woj	Feb 12th, 2005 12:42:51 AM
Really? If that is true, then I'm disappointed. I'm pretty sure it isn't because, surely, you'd have been a little more creative in there to really throw people into a foaming frenzy.
By the way, potentially depressing IRON MAN news by Ribbons	Feb 12th, 2005 12:57:34 AM
I understand this is a 'Batman Begins' talkback and many apologies for the digression...then again the review is apparently fake, so I don't know how big of a deal this really is. But I wanted to air this out and this seemed like the best forum to do so. It appears that Tom Cruise will not star in 'Iron Man.' Not depressing in itself, no, but here's what he had to say about the movie: "It's not happening. Not with me. They ... came to me at a certain point, and you know, when I do something, I want to do it right. And, you know, if I commit to something, it has to be done in a way that I know it's going to be something special. And that ... as it was lining up, it just didn't feel to me like it was going to work." Hmmm...if that proves to be true, color me unsurprised. By the way, before debates about Cruise's judgment commence, at least take a look at his resume. Anyway, there that is.
But by all means... by Ribbons	Feb 12th, 2005 01:00:27 AM
...let's keep going with that focus group crap, since apparently it's what the fans want. It sure as hell worked with 'Elektra.'
I liked the Hulk movie by Animation	Feb 12th, 2005 01:25:24 AM
I liked the Hulk movie, including all the melodrama. I've read some of the old Hulk comics recently because one of my friends is a big fan. Among others, he gave me the comic that the movie comes from. All the stuff about his relationship with his dad and all that comes right out of one of the comic books ... except the jellyfish part. :) The Hulk stories I have read were frequently about Banner's absolute misery, and lots of them have a lot of psychological stuff in them. If anything, the movie may have been too much like the comic book for most people's tastes, based on the older ones I've read.
"The score will hopefuly be good, they had the ones from the pre by Quintus_Arrius	Feb 12th, 2005 01:55:56 AM
That line alone makes this absolutely, undeniably a fake. Hail Arrius!
Jeffry's Jism by Trevor Goodchild	Feb 12th, 2005 06:13:07 AM
After seeing a reference to Jeffry Jones I did a little search. Had no idea about that. Wondered why I hadn't seen him in film for so long.
hulk by stvnhthr	Feb 12th, 2005 07:39:04 AM
Here is the problem with Hulk, people judge films as either 100% great or 100% crap, they don't seem capable of giving a film a just okay review. I liked Hulk, but it had problems, big ones, but they didn't destroy what worked in the film. Ang Lee was a horrible choice for director, but he is not a horrible director; he was miscast(in a manner of speaking) in this instance. He specializes in making films that distance the audience from the characters and allows us to observe flawed individuals from a sterile safe distance like a psychiatrist, not a great choice for a character driven action film. The Hulk was not a failure, but it could have been better.
HULK HATE DEBATE by Trevor Goodchild	Feb 12th, 2005 08:22:42 AM
The very fact that it causes these kind of discussions prooves it's relevence. I don't see Punisher generating this kind of discussion. Good point stvnhthr. Helps if you see films as albums. With scenes as tracks. Even Phantom Menace had some great songs on it. Finally must give the Hulk soundtrack a mention. Truly original.
Did that review say something about Begins being as good as Batm by Lone Fox	Feb 12th, 2005 09:04:10 AM
That is so SPOILER gay END. Fucking 80's style.
Batman-On-Film Confirms Fake and Details the "REAL" screening in by The Only Woj	Feb 12th, 2005 10:02:26 AM
Hi again, I have an update for your test screening news, not sure about USA, but in UK there was already a test screening in Essex, which was one of the filming locations for the movie (Shipping Docks/Gotham highway). I believe it was only for crewmembers and "VIP Guests" of the production. No members of the public were present and there was security placed on all exits in the auditorium so not even staff could sneak in. My contact who worked on the movie got an online invite which had to be printed and taken to the cinema. For security it didnt have the name of the movie on it not even the "TIG" tagline. This is the ticket below [I saw it - Jett] - I've deleted the email address and the identifcation code that could reveal the source. My contact only told me that it was "positively awesome." Some sound/music and FX were missing and some English accents in there that will most likely be dubbed [with an American one]. Theres a couple of HUGE differences to the script - unlike the "review" on another site that just copied the leaked script - [much has been changed from] the script to the movie. Some batmobile stunts that aren't in the script and nor are certain sequences in Wayne Manor. There is also going to be some pickup shooting in a couple of months time back at Shepperton Studios. Good news, eh? So, this review here is a crapper. Twist to the twist baby!
I dunno... by Kid Z	Feb 12th, 2005 12:24:10 PM
... all the trailers I've seen just come off as a little too "flat." I hope I'm wrong, but I do fear this could be another Punisher/Elektra/Constantine. David Goyer doesn't inspire any confidence either after that fiasco called Blade:Trinity. At least they didn't let him direct... man was that a mistake!
Cruise said he wasn't doing Iron-Man a while ago. by Darksider	Feb 12th, 2005 12:41:19 PM
But I think he and Paula Wagner my still produce it. The Hulk was a failure. Regardless of what you thought of the film, the box office wasn't good, no one who worked on it is looking to return and there is no sequel plans. You guys know that if any pos makes a profit these days they try to make a sequel or remake. Anywho, the review sounded like either a fake or a really desperate fanboy. I personally can't believe that someone liked everything and disliked nothing about a comic movie relaunch.
WB is already planting shit on the internet by AlwaysThere	Feb 12th, 2005 01:15:55 PM
My God, Batman Starts is already off on the wrong foot. Wait, what am I saying they've already released two crappy trailers and one crappy Superbow commercial.
Why is this review still up? by Monkey Chops	Feb 12th, 2005 01:34:19 PM
The guy's obviously not seen the movie and is just basing his report on the leaked script. Batman on Film (which - no offence - I trust more than AICN on Batman Begins' news) has called BS on it, like The Only Woj has said.
This guy is an idiot. by AndrewWanKenobi	Feb 12th, 2005 01:59:00 PM
This was so hard to read it was ridiculous. He needs to learn to spell and write.
You DO realize... by kintar0	Feb 12th, 2005 03:32:11 PM
that batman-on-film.com is the biggest fucking PLANT out there, don't you? It's pretty fucking obvious. It's a PLANT in WEBSITE form. They're banking on your gullibility. Suckers. Don't believe the hype. Ever.
SpikeTBB, meet JDanielP. JDanielP, meet SpikeTBB. by kintar0	Feb 12th, 2005 03:34:53 PM
You both don't know shit from shinola. You both have lame, stupid ideas. You're perfect for each other!
The Hulk Isn't a Superhero by andenu	Feb 12th, 2005 05:43:19 PM
It's really a monster movie, which makes sense cause the Hulk is a monster. I'm not comparing quality, but "Frankenstein" has no less pathos than "the Hulk".
Mr Miracle by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 06:19:00 PM
Wow, you are a very angry person aren't you? Maybe you need to take that brick out of you ass and calm down. And batman-on-film.com is an ok site. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean that they suck. If you think that, then maybe you should be a nazi.
Hulk by JiggamanSpence	Feb 12th, 2005 08:18:38 PM
For those saying if you didn't like it, you didnt get it...thats like saying you didnt like matrix reloaded because you didnt get it. No, I got it, as I get Hulk, I just think they're both bulls-pizzle.
Mr Miracle by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 08:49:53 PM
Have you even been to batman-on-film.com? All they do is post interviews and news on the movie. How does that make it a plant site? They guy who runs the site just thinks the movie will be good, just like how you think it will be bad. Why don't you just make your own fucking website. How old are you? 15? 10? All you do is complain and complain. Is there anything that you don't complain about? God. Just go cry to your mommy about the people that don't share your views and let the big boys talk. K?
moviemack by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 09:01:21 PM
sorry man, but I highly doubt that you wrote the fake review up there and even if you did, what were you trying to achieve? Your positive fake review probably made more people what to see this movie(for those dumb enough to believe this review was real). So whatever. And for all you batfans out there I recommend Batman: The Man Who Laughs. Great book.
Mr. Miracle just HAD to insult me, out of the blue. -- SpikeTB by JDanielP	Feb 12th, 2005 09:29:54 PM
And yeah, I'm too much of a Batman to ignore the subject.
Batman "FAN" ... stinkin' typos. by JDanielP	Feb 12th, 2005 09:32:33 PM

kdog69, indeed by kintar0	Feb 12th, 2005 10:14:05 PM
You used the numbers "69" in your screen name and you question my age? What a maroon. And if you actually read my post, you'll note that I never gave my opinion on whether or not the site "sucks" or not. Retards.
Mr_Miracle's funny insult by The Only Woj	Feb 12th, 2005 10:59:18 PM
I believe you just called 'kdog69' a "maroon". Definition? 1)To put ashore on a deserted island or coast and intentionally abandon. 2)To abandon or isolate with little hope of ready rescue or escape. n. often Maroon 1)A fugitive Black slave in the West Indies in the 17th and 18th centuries. 2)A descendant of such a slave. A person who is marooned, as on an island. Or ... A dark reddish brown to dark purplish red.
Well, at least moviemack's able to laugh at himself... by The Killer-Goat	Feb 12th, 2005 11:11:51 PM
For those of you who took any of his post seriously, I believe that's called "taking the bait". Learn from this, young padawans.
The Only Woj! by Ribbons	Feb 12th, 2005 11:15:46 PM
Apparently you have not been weaned on "Looney Tunes" like the rest of us. "Maroon" was what Bugs Bunny would call morons. Unless you're "taking the piss," as they say, which doesn't actually mean taking a piss, or so I'm told.
Since Mr. Miracle so obviously desires my attention ... and seem by JDanielP	Feb 12th, 2005 11:18:14 PM
I believe that there are MANY incredibly talented people in this world (and in this country) who are every bit as talented as than the top talent in Hollywood working today. If you, yourself, don't believe that, ... that's fine. But I don't believe that every "Spielberg" (if I may be so bold) makes it to Hollywood. I give Spielberg credit for doing everything it took ... to act as though he belonged on the studio lot when security approached him, where one thing led to another and BAM! ... he's doing his life dream. Congrats. Nice goin'. But there are SO many obstacles in the life of people to GET THAT ONE SHOT ... and to achieve the dream. And these obstacles can be physical. They can be mental. And god, how they can be anything and everything in between. -- So anyway, there's a couple of "talbackers" here whom have a "beef" with me. All because I've claimed (in past talkbacks) that "if" I ever had a REAL shot to make a film, ... one that I would be passionate about (which would be the ONLY kind of film I would ever make), that I would prove to be "ONE OF" (I've never claimed "THE") greatest fantasy filmmakers, ever. -- Yeah, I know. I'm just "asking for it" when I make such a statement, here in the "talkbacks". But I completely believe it. -- The only thing close to making an actual movie was in making fun little home video "shorts" with my nephews, years ago. I remember attempting to come up with ALL KINDS of no-budget home video special effects. And with the subject being the portrayal of a child's imagination, it left me room in making the "effects" child-like. And since that's the only kind I could afford (or create), it would be a nice blend. So, I had ideas of using magnets to move illustrated vehicals (spaceships or whatever) against illustrated backgrounds. I played with the idea of using the shadow of a toy figure (with a cape ... and a fan blowing it) on top of a filing cabinet to project a would-be silhouette on an illustrated background (complete with the silhoutte clothes-line and the various articles of clothing hanging/blowing from it). I even went so far as to design and make costumes out of "place-mats" ... which had the solid color (and availability) ... and "tough look" that I was looking for, while maintaining low cost. (The costumes turned out very well ... but in a vulnerable moment, I destroyed them in a fit of rage.) -- Anyway, I didn't pursue my ultimate dream of making movies because of more reasons than I care to post, here. But I know that because of the path that I have taken, I'd be a better filmmaker today than I would have been, otherwise.
Mr Miracle's wonderful comeback by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 11:21:57 PM
a maroon... wow someone watches a lot of bugs bunny (not that that's a bad thing). I love how you dis my talkback name. That's quite pathetic. The reason I chose to put 69 in my name is because I enjoy watching lesbians going down on each other and I like to do a 69 with my girlfriend. If you must know I am 19 years of age. How old are you, maroon?
Also insulting my screenname is really pointless... by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 11:29:04 PM
Since I came up with it like 5 years ago. Seriously. Come back to me when you have a good insult for me.
ahh, lovely... by kintar0	Feb 12th, 2005 11:41:29 PM
I'm 28, not that it matters. And I'll also point out that I did not "dis" your lame-ass screenname in my post, like I just did now. I do LOVE how you tried to defend your screenname. Priceless. Yeah, I did use a Bugs Bunny reference. Only Woj, you're a complete fuckwit. And JDanielP, I cannot be bothered to read your long, lame, lame, lame, lame, pathetic post about your coulda woulda shouldas. You're unknown for a reason, and as far as I can tell, that reason is because all the "ideas" you've posted on AICN suck really hard. Besides, I could be wrong, but aren't you the sad sack who said long ago that he could relate to Batman because your name is Justin and that means "dark protector" or something?
by the way Mr Miracle... by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 11:45:13 PM
your on cartoonnetwork right now, thought you'd like to know
also, I wasn't defending my screenname... by kdog69	Feb 12th, 2005 11:54:50 PM
I was explaining why i chose it. i don't have any personal feelings towards it so call it lame all you want. And your 28? wow... don't you have anything better to do than be on every batman talkback after every other post? Perhaps you live in your parents' basement and do this in between your masturbation periods. Or maybe your really just 15. I, on the other hand, don't have a life except for my college and my girlfriend and I have nothing better to do with my time than to make fun of you and moviemack for complaining about everything. I know it's sad, but atleast I can admit it.
I love your whole "I'm pathetic but at least I can admit" defens by kintar0	Feb 13th, 2005 02:29:44 AM
Fits you well. Hopefully college will teach you a couple of things, like critical thinking skills. Those are important. And you're actually going to try to critisize me for posting too much? I think you oughta total up how many posts you have on this talkback alone, and how many I have. Maybe you'll learn math in college. Do you know what being wrong about something like that makes you? Semi-retarded. And since when do moviemack OR myself complain about everything. Sure, we both don't like how Batman Begins is looking, but you need to get your facts straight. Maybe college will teach you to inform yourself before you express youself. But I doubt it.
So far from "FIRST!", it's scary. by HanFiredFirst	Feb 13th, 2005 04:03:29 AM
And believe me, I'll be one of the first in line to see BB on the first weekday matinee following opening weekend (being a cheapskate and hater of long lines), but this reviews smacks of plantery. Someone also needs to offer a course on the difference between a review and a script synopsis. And would anyone other than a studio shill get all trembly by the thought of how "big" a picture is going to open?
lol mr miracle... by kdog69	Feb 13th, 2005 04:03:52 AM
you crack me up.
one more thing mr miracle... by kdog69	Feb 13th, 2005 04:08:25 AM
I never said that you had more posts than me. I'm sure I have type way more stuff here than you. I said that I only do that because you and moviemack (who are probably the same person) post all this negative shit on every batman begins talkback. Maybe YOU should get your facts straight. Maybe middle school will teach you to inform yourself before you express yourself. But I doubt it. Peace.
Kdog69 has two brain cells and they are fighting by kintar0	Feb 13th, 2005 10:27:20 AM
"don't you have anything better to do than be on every batman talkback after every other post?" There's you "trying" critisize me for posting to much. Then I point out that you post more than I do. See, it's called a comparison. That's one way to refute a criticism. I know you never stated that I post more than you. You have to have everything spelled out for you. That makes you an idiot. And what's your evidence that moviemack and I are the same person? That we have similar opinions about Batman Begins? That's a really solid hypothesis you have there.
Mr. movie-miracle-mack by SCYTHEOFLUNA	Feb 13th, 2005 11:34:16 AM
Still at it huh? Man, you really are obsessed. Why don't you just go set yourself on fire in front of the Warner Bros. studio gate. It would be just as effective as your current tactics... Oh wait, better check aintitcool.com again, there might be a new Batman thread for you to broadcast your disgust in. What would the talkbackers do without mr miraclemack spewing bile at them?
But wait there's more... by SCYTHEOFLUNA	Feb 13th, 2005 11:56:09 AM
And how lame do you have to be to post under two different names? do you honestly think anyone is falling for it? Mack and Miracle are one and the same bat-fans don't let him gang up on you. Or better yet, let's all thinly disguise ourselves with multiple logins and hammer him with numerous redundant posts saying exactly the same thing over and over and over....or not. Moviemackmiracle is a sad, lonely, bitter individual, don't let him get to you. He chose to ruin the film for himself before shooting was even complete, it's his loss. Why watch a movie when you can read an early draft of the script? Hell, why not save even more time and just read the synopsis and form your ironclad opinion based on that? The rest of us can form our opinions of the film once we have seen it. Y'know like they used to do back in the old days, BEFORE the web was populated with talentless hacks who have nothing better to do than to whine about how "they could have done it better".
Mr. Miracle, please know what you're talkin' about (that would b by JDanielP	Feb 13th, 2005 12:36:19 PM
You, Mr. Miracle, act like you're running for re-election ... and since you can't defend your actions, you attack with your bogus accusations. And isn't it clear yet? You are becoming very unpopular, here at aintitcool. Perhaps it's time to get yet ANOTHER user ID. -- Harry should quote Danny Glover from "LETHAL WEAPON" and say, "Somebody get this trash off my lawn!"
You seem to be missing the point Mr. Catastroph-er uh "Miracle" by SCYTHEOFLUNA	Feb 13th, 2005 03:23:57 PM
I know you are angry because the last couple of Bat films were shit. I know you didn't think much of any of them, but Burton's first film was a solid effort. I had problems with the origin stories and the pacing was off, but over-all it was the best Batman 1989 could have provided in a live action format. The second one offered very little other than a great Catwoman performance, and it went to complete shit after that. The point is, after Schumacher destroyed the franchise, we are lucky that someone had enough faith in the character to give it another go. Will Batman Begins be perfect? Fuck no, and none of us are convinced it will be. That doesn't mean that it won't be a solid piece of the Batman mythology, and an entertaining film. In all likelyhood it will be the best Batman movie yet. Every artist or writer that has touched the material has left their fingerprints. He has seen more incarnations and costume variations than Madonna, though he has weathered the years better. The character doesn't belong to any one person anymore. D.C. and Warner Bros. still collect the royalty checks, but Batman belongs to the fans. All of them. I don't give a shit whether they got hip to Batman during the Grant-Breyfogle-Mitchell era, the Bob Kane era, or if the 60's TV show was the epitome of Batman heaven, you are still a Batman fan, even if, (and it pains me to say this) even if Batman and Robin is your favourite. All this elitist, condescending speech from you just indicates to others that you are an asshole. It doesn't cause anyone to reevaluate their opinions or to change them, it just makes you look like an arrogant ass. I am not trying to insult you, but that really is how you come off. In the end neither you or I, or anyone in this forum gets to decide who makes Batman movies, and you can't badger people into hating the new film just because you do, having not seen it. Nobody needs your incessant droning, and nobody is going to be swayed by it. I know you are pissed, we all get it. Take a deep breath, enroll in a film school and maybe you can wow us all by bringing the caped crusader to the big screen in what ever way you see fit. Some of the recent fan films haven't been half bad, maybe that's your calling. Of course, don't delude yourself, there will always be some small minority of whiny assed,loudmouthed fan boys laying in wait here in the Talkbacks, ready to rip your work to shreds, and bitch about the unrevised, far from current script they have managed to hunt down on the web. It doesn't matter what kind of Bat film they make someone will always bitch. Till then we will have to take what W.B. gives us, and as long as I don't see rubber nipples or Chris O'Donnell's lame ass I think we they have taken a step in the right direction. So take some valium, and cool the fuck off. Jdanielp and Mr69 don't require your clearance or approval to have the opinions they have, and neither does anybody else. You have said your piece, we all get it. Get over yourself. And at the very least, quit trying to kill this film before it's released, worst case scenario, if Batman Begins is as you say, utter shit, maybe, just maybe if it brings in good box office numbers they might follow it up with an improved sequel.
Steve Englehart by SpikeTBB	Feb 13th, 2005 07:24:10 PM
Right on the money, JDan. I would really like to get to read the full Steve Englehart someday but that seems unlikely. It would just be nice to see some movie treat these characters with the respect they deserve. Steve Englehart's stories of Batman managed to bring the title back to its full glory. Captured the good elements of the original version of them and updated them, made them more realistic. Batman: The Man Who Laughs seems to do that as well. Did you ever read Alex Ross
you're funny stuff, Mr Miracle... by kdog69	Feb 13th, 2005 08:26:32 PM
I love how instead of defending yourself you try to insult me instead. Which is funny because you insults are almost as lame as FDR's legs. And come on... EVERYONE knows that you and moviemack are the same person. Get over yourself you silly little man. No body likes you. Come back when your balls drop.
MiracleMack. by SmarkJobber	Feb 13th, 2005 10:48:10 PM
They certainly seem like the same person. I remember waging war against moviemack in a TB concerning an upcoming, non-Batman-related Nolan project, and the dude's attack was just this weak sarcasm with insults littered in. The fact that Miracle can't defend himself (instead disregarding points while launching lame insults) cements the Miraclemack theory for me. If they aren't the same person, then there are two very disappointed mothers in the world instead of just one...and that makes me sad.
Maybe future Batman sequels will pull (some) from those classic by JDanielP	Feb 14th, 2005 09:53:42 AM
Yeah, Spike. It would certainly be interesting to read that original Steve Englehart script, which got regected before Sam Hamm came along. And absolutely, how I would also love to see some smaller, ... a bit more on the spooky side ... Batman stories that showed more of the detective. Warner Bros. could succeed with such small-scale stories ... and hell yes, ... with the visual style of David Fincher's "SEVEN", how cool would THAT be? -- I know Warner Bros. wants to keep selling toys ... so in order for such a change, to appeal ... even more ... to us more mature fans, it seems there would have to be a couple of interpretations running ... like how there was both Roger Moore and Sean Connery making James Bond films. And how I would LOVE that! I'd go see both versions! AND collect them on dvd!
There was NOTHING that would have made HULK fans happy. by Jumpstart	Feb 15th, 2005 11:26:10 AM
That's right. None. You want your precious comic book to be taken seriously. You think that because you understand comic books and all the cute little intricacies that go with them, that you're somehow smarter, somehow than anyone else, than the rest of the Paris-Hilton-loving population, because that's how stupid most people are, right? Well, you know what? Ang Lee gave you the substance you were so desperately looking for in a comic book film. The kind that would make true intellectuals stand up and say, "You know what? Comic books might have something to them after all." It would have given you that legitimacy that you've been strung out on not having forever. But you know what, I've heard way too many people call it boring. Did you really want a movie chocked full off barbaric "Hulk SMASH!" activity, or did you want a movie that legitimized the comics for the whole world to see? Whether or not you agree, that's what Ang Lee was doing. So, if you're one of those comic book fans who didn't like it, go back reading fucking Cerebus for the nth time, all the while pretending you're the best of all of us for having survived "Jaka's Story" and have a nice day. Oh, and plant or not, I would not believe any review by such an absolute fucktard.
Hulk by SCYTHEOFLUNA	Feb 15th, 2005 01:25:29 PM
jumpstart is right, anyone that bitched about Hulk, was a moron. There were some pacing issues, true, and the usual story compromises, but I can't see how they could have made a film that would please the increasingly fickle fanbase. You can't cram 30 years of continuity into a 2 hour film, to the complete satisfaction of everyone. You have to make concessions. Ang Lee captured the essence of Bruce Banner's torment, and in the end that's what really matters. Hulk wasn't a perfect film by any means, but it wasn't any worse than either of the X Men films in my view.
As I've said at various times in the past, "HULK" was much close by JDanielP	Feb 15th, 2005 05:48:32 PM
Ang Lee "raised the bar" ... in showing Hollywood that comic book characters can be taken seriously and interpreted in realistic ways. Sure, the characters are fantasy. But we, the audience desires to BELIEVE in the fantasy, whatever the visual style. Take Tim Burton's original '89 "BATMAN", for example. Even though the characters and Gotham City were realized in a such fantastic style, the characters themselves were represented in a believable way. That's what we want! (The remainder we can argue over.)
Hulk Sucked, Get Over It. by Zefram Mann	Feb 16th, 2005 08:17:58 AM
The problem wasn't that there wasn't enough action, or too much thinking, it was that it was HORRIBLY FLAWED. The origin was a bastardization of the comic because there was no RICK JONES. Rick Jones was some asshole that went wandering where he shouldn't have, and Banner RISKED HIS LIFE to save him. In the process, Banner got fucked, and Rick Jones made it his life goal to try and help the misunderstood Banner/Hulk because he felt responsible. You can't have a Hulk ovie without Rick Jones being a major part because he's there to save the guy who saves everyone else. It's like trying to tell the story of Frodo Baggins without Samwise Gamgee. You can't friggin do it. Jones is the only person in the world besides Betty that is on Banner's or the Hulk's side. THAT'S the origin of the Hulk in a nutshell, which leads us to our next flaw. Lee made the underlying THEME of the Hulk about repression, when it should have been about responsibility. Not just Banner's for his own new power, but Jones' for his involvement in the creation of the Hulk. Also the military's responsibility in trying to stop a walking natural disaster, but it goes wrong because they're too busy trying to kill the Hulk to notice puny Banner. Theme is an important part of any story, and Lee's Hulk had the wrong one. I can get the whole thing with Nolte's genetic engineering, but why did we need fucking nanites? Lee's use of comic panels was also absolute bullshit. Also, it's not that people want non-stop action. They just don't want the parts without action to be boring. Spiderman 2 wasn't non-stop action, you just think it was because Reimi found ways too make the character moments interesting instead of snore-inducing. So right there we have some perfectly good reasons to hate the movie. Fucked origin, missing an essential character, wrong theme, boring in-between action scenes, idiotic comic-panels. Between Hulk and the Director's Cut of Daredevil, I'll take the extended Daredevil any day of the week.
JDanielP by one9deuce	Feb 16th, 2005 07:22:05 PM
Don't you understand that filmmaking has a LOT to do with what you know? Akira Kurosawa (the master director of all-time it could be argued) said at the age of 80 that he still didn't know all there was to filmmaking. Do yourself a favor, and watch the end credits of a major Hollywood film. All the way through. Now as the director/producer you need to know all of those peoples jobs! Filmmaking is incredibly complex artistically and technically. My guess is that you don't know shit about it, but you just see "cool" ways to do a scene or movie. Having the vision is a great start, assuming your vision doesn't suck. Now all you have to do is make it a reality so other people can see it, and that my friend is FUCKING HARD! So you might have the "vision", but what does that have to do with filmMAKING? Only the people that make films understand how difficult it is, and that JDanielP doesn't include you.
Having the vision to make films, to see the complete film in the by JDanielP	Feb 17th, 2005 01:30:59 AM
I disagree that every director knows how to do every job in making a film. But sure, there are certainly directors who have a clear understanding of every job. And I "do" understand the incredible challenge of shooting exactly what you want, in trying to convey to performers and crew what it is that you desire for every single shot. I get it. In frame and out of frame, on camera and off camera. The crew must know what the director expects of them. I get it. I understand it. -- Which is more difficult to make happen, ... to get that dream shot or realize the vision? I'd go with just getting the chance to prove I've got what it takes.
Hi. I'm from the future. by ScarranHalfBreed	Nov 14th, 2006 11:41:39 AM
And it's so weird to read this completely fake review after having watched Begins a hundred times since its release on DVD. What the hell makes people do this? Attention? Madness.
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