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SUPERBOWL: BATMAN BEGINS Spot!

Looks Cool! by jimmy_009	Feb 6th, 2005 09:20:29 PM

I hate the Scarecrow's look, but love the TV spot! by screenplaywriter	Feb 6th, 2005 09:22:43 PM
The Scarecrow to me doesn't look scary, or menacing, or anything. He just looks like some businessman running around in a burlap sack because maybe his buddies at the office glued it to his forehead. The look looks shitty, but everything else looks great and seeing Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman was great, and seeing Bruce give that line, "Does it come in black?" Was pure fanboy goodness! Can't wait!
"Does it come in black?" by unmancito	Feb 6th, 2005 09:30:22 PM
Simply awesome, i actually like the sack of potatos look of the scarecrow, and they give us more batmobile this time, can't wait till june!!
Cute by Undead03	Feb 6th, 2005 09:31:47 PM
Cute looking gay comic book movie. But not the Batman the world has been waiting for.
Scarecrow by Rybock	Feb 6th, 2005 09:32:41 PM
We only get one shot, and a decent one, though of his face. Seems rather faithful to the comic book... don't know how else they would pull it off while being faithful. It'll all have to come down to the part as written an performed. Can't judge from the trailer. Even though it was a damn cool one (and we get a good look at the batmobile!)
I love the Scarecrow, love the spot by Gheorghe Zamfir	Feb 6th, 2005 09:33:04 PM
and I'm with Harry on having not really gotten excited by the previous spots, this one does it for me though. And I don't think Scarecrow looks particularly scary, but I never thought he looked scary in the comics either, I think he looks like what he looked like in the comics though, as a guy dressed up like a scarecrow, but I'm glad they managed to do it without having to make him too costume-y. And I love the way the batmobile sounds.
M'enh.... I have total faith in Nolan AND this movie - but that by Fish Tank	Feb 6th, 2005 09:37:22 PM
n/t
The Scarecrow! by performingmonkey	Feb 6th, 2005 09:37:24 PM
Yeah, there's gonna be criticisms of the Scarecrow's look but I think he will be crap until we see him through the eyes of someone who's fucked up on that gas or whatever he gives his victims.
? by BillEmic	Feb 6th, 2005 09:38:29 PM
Am I the only one who registers this clip as a disappointment? Scarecrow looks like a douchebag, Batman's mask remains awkward, and I don't like the "Does it come in black?" line. I hate to be one of those cliche fanboys who says everything "sucks" but I'm just being cautious. Batman is my favorite comic book hero and I thought Tim Burton already did a superb job bringing the character to the big screen.
Better than the 2nd trailer! by Sinisterjim	Feb 6th, 2005 09:38:37 PM
I have to agree, looks a lot better...I know i'm in the minority on this, but the batmobile is fuckin' cool! WOTW spot was cool, I like that they don't show anything, more mystery!
Could someone tell me what to think? by Papa CaveDweller	Feb 6th, 2005 09:40:38 PM
Not to impressed with scarecrow or even the bulky new Bat mobile. I think the mask in NightBreed was a shitload scarier.
awesome by mcflytrap	Feb 6th, 2005 09:46:46 PM
i wet my pants when it aired tonight...i hate football...only watched to see the spot....great stuff!
Scarecrow has a normal human hand??? by Orionsangels	Feb 6th, 2005 09:48:28 PM

Scarecrow is a human by Gheorghe Zamfir	Feb 6th, 2005 09:50:34 PM
what kind of hand do you expect him to have?
"Does it come in black?" by Stickman83	Feb 6th, 2005 09:50:43 PM
ohh come on, don't tell me that wasn't cool as hell XD this movie looks completely awesome, and I can't wait to see it!
Superb?!?! by Sinisterjim	Feb 6th, 2005 09:51:44 PM
Uhh, I don't mean to question your fanhood, but, how can a Batman fan say that Burton's movie was 'superb' and still consider himself a fan? Admittidly, there were many aspects he got right, but just as many he got wrong...the end result was far from superb, mediocre? yes! I don't know a fan of Batman that would come even close to calling it superb! "Does it come in black?" does seem like it's pandering to the mainstream, and I'm a bit worried about Goyer's script, especially after Blade Trinity...but a lot will depend on the performances, characterizations and Nolan's direction, for which I have complete faith!
oh, the cartoons always depicted him as made of hay straw or som by Orionsangels	Feb 6th, 2005 09:54:05 PM

script concerns? by The Only Woj	Feb 6th, 2005 10:06:30 PM
http://simplyscripts.com/ - has some great scripts ;)
best spot of the night... by mikkimouse	Feb 6th, 2005 10:08:23 PM
...and now it is on my computer. thank you, harry, for feeding my addiction.
Only complaint: by Cugel79	Feb 6th, 2005 10:10:58 PM
We've yet to see Bats fight anyone. Other than that, awesome. Balse looks so much like the Tim Sale Batman it's insane.
I'm a Batman fan by Gheorghe Zamfir	Feb 6th, 2005 10:19:41 PM
And I dig Burton's '89 film quite a bit, everything after that is lost on me, even Returns, but I thought Burton, Keaton, and Nicholson turned in a great take on the comic.
I agree with Harry by lonesomerhodes	Feb 6th, 2005 10:23:53 PM
This is the first thing I've seen thats really got me pumped about the movie.
Guess I came off a bit abraisive. by Sinisterjim	Feb 6th, 2005 10:27:54 PM
I agree Keaton nailed the performance and I loved the look Burton gave the film, very thick atmosphere, i'll miss that in the new one...but Jack's Joker was a problem, namely that it was Jack doing Jack as the Joker, I saw little to no relation between him and the comic version. The story was really weak and most of the supporting charcters came off dry. I love Elfman's score though, one of the best superhero scores ever, second only to Williams' Superman.
Entering the Batcave? by RedEaglez	Feb 6th, 2005 10:44:53 PM
IS that what the car is doing in the final sequence?
bat costumes by sledgehammer5050	Feb 6th, 2005 10:49:18 PM
i'm very positive about this movie...the script will rock, the action will be great, and the acting just swell! but, the only thing that bugs me is the batcostume. to me it looks like some little kid's hack job of playing batman in his basement. but, at least the big rubber nipples aren't there...still, the outfit worries me. other than that, go bats go!!
This film looks entirely too understated, just look at the Scare by IndustryKiller	Feb 6th, 2005 10:51:01 PM
He's just a normal dude wearing a burlap sack on his head. Last I checked batman was still a comic book character. If Schumacher was waaaaay over the top Nolan looks like he's bringing it too low key. The problem with making it ultra realistic is that when some superhuman event needs to happen (inevitable when you are dealing with comic books no matter how realistic you try to make them) it seems totally out of place and fake to the point where even having a guy in a suit is something to snicker at. I guess we'll just have to see how this works out.
I read that first script not too long ago...(spoilers) by Anlashok	Feb 6th, 2005 10:51:47 PM
everything I've seen so far seems to be following it pretty closely. Whether that's a good or bad sign remains to be seen. Needless to say the script I read didn't exactly thrill me, I found the scarecrow to be particularly blah. Yeah, he hits a couple of people with his gas, inducing wacky little hallucinations like fire coming out of his eyes and such, but he just didn't come off as being particularly intimidating. Oh, and for those who think the line "Does it come in black" was a little out of character, well, there are several other things you may groan over before it's all said and done. As it stands the script reads like a fairly mediocre action flick, the vehicle chase sequence could yield some thrills, if Nolan can jazz it up. But the villains did nothing for me, but hey, if can Norrington and Del toro can perform alchemy on Goyers script, there's no reason Nolan can't do the same.
Teaser was better by rtms	Feb 6th, 2005 10:53:26 PM
Wasn't impressed, the teaser was better.
Bullshit commercial by AlwaysThere	Feb 6th, 2005 10:53:47 PM
Pats win which is a good thing, but the footage of Batman Begins continues to get worse and worse with each new trailer/commercial. Give me Burtons Batman anyday. Heck, MotP will be better than Batman 2005.
Same Old Talkbackers by filker-tom	Feb 6th, 2005 10:56:44 PM
Judging stuff based on a thirty-second montage. You little boys are too damn cynical for your own good. If it sucks, it sucks, mm-kay? But you DON'T know shit until you actually see the whole thing. You can get buzz, you can get early scripts, you can decide that something doesn't fit YOUR vision... but, for cryin' out loud, give the damn movie a chance. It looks as if it's being made by people who care about the character, about the look, about the mythology, the whole package. And, no, it may not be perfect. Until YOU get financed by Warner Bros. to make YOUR perfect vision of Batman, at least let the damn thing be released before you descend on it like a pack of rabid lemmings. Jeez.
simply scripts by The Only Woj	Feb 6th, 2005 10:56:45 PM
I had the script and that link did point to the script (though it is an earlier script that Nolan has since fixed up ...)
Bless you Harry, but that wasn't the spot described to us by con by 007-11	Feb 6th, 2005 10:58:38 PM
That can't be the Scarecrow. It looks nothing like the one described from the trailer those people got to see at that convention. Same goes for the commercial. It was supposed to end with Katie Holmes getting gased at the end. That was a new one they must have made for the Super Bowl. I don't believe we've actually seen the real Scarecrow. I'm damn excited about the whole thing though.
That's another thing... by Anlashok	Feb 6th, 2005 11:00:20 PM
The script was VERY low key, in fact I'd wager that Bruce Wayne and James Bond were virtually interchangeable.
Where's the wow factor? There doesn't seem to be one ... but I by JDanielP	Feb 6th, 2005 11:14:16 PM
Without much of a "wow factor", ... is it enough to bring out most of the same audiences who saw Tim Burton's "BATMAN" of 1989? I'm not sure, but I'll be there. But then, I'm a huge Batman fan.
Pearly Drops of Jisdom, I mean Wisdom. by Phat_Elvis	Feb 6th, 2005 11:18:19 PM
All you haters can suck it. I thought the TB Batman was great, loved it, didnt get too bunged up about how it stacks up to the comic book because,of course, a film isnt a comic book and what is effective in one (grey tights) is bafflingly stupid in another, just look at what I consider to be the most "comic book-y" of the recent spate of superhero films, batman and robin (steaming pile of harry shit) and batman forever (another steaming pile of harry shit. I can see how JS tried to meld the two mediums and he FAILED MISERABLY. Seperating the two mediums and enjoying each for their merits, Ive found, is the way to go. I thought the "does it come in black" line was fucking UBER COOL and I get the idea that CB is gonna deliver at least Bruce Wayne with a certain sardonic and dark wit. Im geeked to the gills. And Scarecrow looks great, I like the fact that it wasn't some prosthetic rubber and latex mask that they were "hoping" we would buy as burlap. I like the idea of translating a totally fantastical (im almost positive thats a word...if not, once again, haters can suck it) comic book character into a feasible (if not totally believable) representation for the screen. Anyhow, ep3 is gonna rule the summer, haters are bitches and Elvis is alive in my underpants. As Kip Dynamite would say: Peath Out.
One track mind by Phat_Elvis	Feb 6th, 2005 11:21:03 PM
I see after reviewing my talkback, which obviously I should do BEFORE i hit post, that I dissed on haters 3 times in my post. I guess that makes me a hater myself. A "Hater Hater"...how novel. Peath Out
Scarecrow looks like poo... by ryLRci	Feb 6th, 2005 11:33:31 PM
actually, more like Jason with the bag over his head in Part 2. The rest looks great though.
There are key reasons that Burton's Batman sucked... by kdog69	Feb 6th, 2005 11:36:05 PM
1. Batman killed 2. Joker was the star of the film 3. Batman was shorter than vicky vale. 4. Batman used no detective skills (at least batman forever had that) 5. Batman used virtually no fighting skills and was running away from the enemies for most of the movie. 6. Batman killed. 7. Joker killed Batman's parents 8. Batman killed. As long as these things are fixed in the new movie, I'll be happy. Until then, I'll enjoy Batman the animated series on DVD. SIDE NOTE: Scarcrow is not made of straw in the cartoom. It's a suit. There are many episodes where he takes his suit off.
Scarecrow looks realistic to me. by cookylamoo	Feb 6th, 2005 11:54:00 PM
Like he's been standing in a field with birds crapping on him.
Batman did use detective skills, kdog by eg4190	Feb 6th, 2005 11:54:01 PM
If you'll recall, he figured out which cosmetics products the Joker poisoned, and in which combinations they were lethal. And who cares if Batman kills?
Meh! by meburma	Feb 6th, 2005 11:54:31 PM
I'm just not down for another Batman film. I don't know... I just don't feel the need for it.
The Star Wars Holiday Special Had More WOW Than This Trailer by KingDingaLing	Feb 6th, 2005 11:59:52 PM
If you were ever wondering where Morgan Freeman would show up next, look no further.
i've been gassed and morgan freeman is everywhere. by dr.bulber	Feb 7th, 2005 12:01:18 AM
anything is better then donald trump, ben forehead or tom arnold. gimme more gas.
So far I have not been impressed by it by Razorback	Feb 7th, 2005 12:04:44 AM
The teaser and TV spot just do nothing for me. I am more excited to see Firefly and I hated the TV show.
Wow, welcome to Whiney-Fan Boy Central by D.Vader	Feb 7th, 2005 12:10:05 AM
"Oh no! The Scarecrow doesn't look like anything from the comics! And this is from a brief one second shot! And that last line is sooo corny, NO ONE in real life would ever say something like that!!! Wayne is too serious to ever crack a joke!!" Jeebus people. Would you liks some more damn cheese?
I agree...give it a FREAKIN' chance by sledgehammer5050	Feb 7th, 2005 12:10:24 AM
this will be good...give it a chance...we're all just doubting-toms cause of the last batman failures...i think goyer is smart enough on what to do...look at the first two blade films...they're awesome!! just don't let goyer direct the third batman movie and we'll all be okee-dokee!
sledgehammer, if anything, that should be proof of the contrary by Ribbons	Feb 7th, 2005 12:13:25 AM
The first two Blade films were good in spite of Goyer, not because of him.
I didn't think it was THAT bad... by oh_riginal	Feb 7th, 2005 12:17:35 AM
Though I have SLIGHT doubts about this movie being great, I still enjoyed the superbowl trailer for what it was worth. I'll be seeing this movie when its released, only then will I really know how the movie turns out. So... whens Batman gonna get his Holiday Special??? Get Robin in there and have Joker host a "Very Joker Christmas"!!! Penguin could show up and slide on his stomach across ice and snow with a huge grin on his face!!!
I don't know, a lot of the nerds who identify themselves with Ba by Ribbons	Feb 7th, 2005 12:22:57 AM
Then again, Batman has to be the coolest case study in arrested development ever. Who'd want to offend the obese blue state basement dweller's market, right?
I don't see how "BATMAN BEGINS" could be anything less than GOOD by JDanielP	Feb 7th, 2005 12:30:05 AM
...and with all the history of the Batman comics, how could they possibly screw it up with so much talent in place? My only problem has been with the costume interpretation ... but the costume could be much worse (I love the open cape). And with this being a "year one" style of movie ... and with such focus on bringing life-like realism to the character, the costume is forgivable. (I hope to see Batman from the perspective of someone who's inhaled the Scarecrow's fear gas, ... to see Batman with exaggerated ears and cape ... as such a vision could be soooooo cool on screen!) -- I'm already looking forward to the sequel, "wow factor" or not.
by AWDH	Feb 7th, 2005 12:33:12 AM
Boring. Hack. Stinker. Although, the "land" bit made me chuckle. A minor chuckle. The Longest Yard trailer ways ten times better.
No, the gag itself is a little on the lame side by Ribbons	Feb 7th, 2005 12:37:47 AM
No arguments insofar as that goes
AWDH by Ribbons	Feb 7th, 2005 12:39:10 AM
Think you're in the wrong talkback mate.
I think some of you are getting the wrong idea about the "Scarcr by nomad202	Feb 7th, 2005 12:44:57 AM
SPOILER He's gonna look different and a lot creepier in "later stages" (I guess he uses the fear gas on batman and the scarecrow's image changes dramatically). I can't wait personally ;) END SPOILER Please, have patience, this summer is gonna rock!! About "does it come in black?" line- How can Bruce Wayne be a playboy w/out a sense of humor? It was Bruce Wayne who had the sense of humor, not BATMAN. kddog69- You forgot that Burton kept killing the major villains, BIG problem there.
meh by SirBiatchReturns	Feb 7th, 2005 01:07:53 AM
i cant see how anyone can judge how good/bad the movie will be with this tv spot. It barely shows anything. it's just flashes of images here and there. Fanboys focus on the most obscure and miniscule things, as though that kinda shit determines how good the movie is on a larger scale. e.g. Scarecrow having human hands or how well his face is done. The movie will suck if the plot is terrible/mediocre, if the effects are lame, and if the characterization is wack. The tv spot shows virtually nothing of this sort. So you can't say anything. we'll see when the movie comes out.
Frightening script > Begins Script by Dented Helmet	Feb 7th, 2005 01:15:49 AM

Nolan isn't the right guy for the job by Dented Helmet	Feb 7th, 2005 01:20:30 AM
He doens't have the style to pull something like this off. A great stylist can take mediocre moments from a script and make them great, but Nolan will pretty much keep the mediocre Goyer moments mediocre.
by the way, the Constantine superbowl spot is much better. by SirBiatchReturns	Feb 7th, 2005 01:41:01 AM
THAT is how to make a tv spot. its not the most amazing tv spot ever but its quite decent. it certainly made me say: 'yeah, i'll definitely be seeing this'. Batman Begins is like: 'ehh. i need more material to judge'.
Where? by Monkey Butler	Feb 7th, 2005 02:03:18 AM
Where on simplyscripts is the Begins script? I've found the Frightening script, which is kinda cool, but a little lame, but the link to the Begins script (a pdf file) goes to a "cannot be found" screen. The individual parts of the trailer didn't really do it for me (Alfred just sounds like Michael Caine, there's nothing too exciting that we haven't already seen) but on the whole it got me pretty damn excited for the movie, and I don't know why. The "come in black" line isn't perfect, but it isn't that bad, either. Remember Wayne takes all the existing technologies invented by Fox and adapts them for Batman - that's what he's doing here, so what's the problem? He literally wants the car to be painted black. You people are way too uptight. One joke does not a sense of humour make - wait till you've seen the movie before judging whether Bruce Wayne's been given a "lame" sense of humour.
Good, but not the best spot of the night... by AWDH	Feb 7th, 2005 02:12:09 AM
xXX wasn't the best one, but it looked better than I thought it would. I don't think 30 was enough for Batman to come across correctly. Maybe it's just me. The Pacifier was awful. Spot of the night goes to The Longest Yard.
Eat the Meat by flossygomez	Feb 7th, 2005 02:29:58 AM
As much as I like Burtons "style"...he got the character all wrong. Now maybe we can concentrate on the character of Wayne instead of hamming it up with the villains.
Finally a trailer that DOESNT suck by Bong	Feb 7th, 2005 02:35:27 AM
ok i'll see this
I thought it was pretty awesome... by iamnicksaicnsn	Feb 7th, 2005 02:39:52 AM
When i first saw it on tv, i thought the scarecrow looked like shit, and was totally pissed off that they showed him. But after watching it again, he looks much scarier and cooler, and the fact that we can really see him blink makes him look much more eerie. I think the War of the Worlds teaser was probably the best only because it was surprising how fucking crazy that destruction was. As for "The Longest Yard," I was also fucking disappointed they gave away the "YOU CAN DOO IT" Rob Schneider cameo. Assholes.
eg4190...oh my god... by kdog69	Feb 7th, 2005 03:52:52 AM
YOU JUST PISSED ME OFF!! "who cares if Batman kills". The only thing that separates batman from those he fights is that he doesn't kill. It is the line that he will not cross. If you make him kill you destroy the entire point of the character. I guess you have never read a single batman comic or seen any other form of batman except for the 4 shitty movies that have been released. I respect that you claim that he did use detective skills to figure out the chemicals joker was using, but I personally don't consider that detective work. If you watch any episode of the animated series you should know what I mean. Anyway, Batman does not kill. Period. He believes in justice not vengence. Read Year one if you need help figuring this out.
"Does it come in black?" VS "Chicks love the car" - the differen by JackBurton	Feb 7th, 2005 03:58:08 AM
The difference is that, quite simply, you can have Bruce Wayne saying a line like that about the car colour and get away with it with a knowing wink and low key delivery, but you can't have Batman saying a line like he did in Batman Forever without it seeming a) completely out of character, and b) stupid and lame as all fuck. Once he's in the suit he's all business, not there to yuk up with the jokes. My view anyway. As for the film, I have faith in Nolan, and this just further cements it for me, and along with Sin City this is my most anticipatd of the year.
Why does the Batmobile by DefyThis	Feb 7th, 2005 04:29:43 AM
look like a monster truck? I like the scarecrow's look... realism, sure. Flick still looks like crap though. Freemen's better off sticking with films like M$B.
The suit looks like an armor. I hate that. by CuervoJones	Feb 7th, 2005 04:54:21 AM

I just hope the Scarecrow wears his trademark hat, and costum by mbaker	Feb 7th, 2005 05:16:43 AM
The mask he wears would work fine in the real world. Plus, Batman's head can move around this time.
Relatively excited by BCfreeB	Feb 7th, 2005 05:26:09 AM
Its going to be good. But not great.
Batman kills... by Lance the Potter	Feb 7th, 2005 05:47:10 AM
Spider-man doesn't kill. Batman kills - maybe occasionally, but he does. He has killed Joker eventually. Maybe in Burton films he kills more often than in comics, but at least this separates these movies from other gay kid films, like Batman 3&4.
You know, Batman killed in the comics by Gheorghe Zamfir	Feb 7th, 2005 05:58:21 AM
I think it makes for a much more interesting character when he doesn't kill, but back in the early days of Kane Batman killed, Burton's 89 Batman is actually pretty close to how Kane portrayed him, Napier falling into a chemical vat is almost straight out of the very first issue of Batman, and I say "almost" cause in the movie Napier accidently falls in cause of his own gun shot and Batman tries to save him, in the comic Batman just straight up knocks the guy into it.
CuervoJones by oh_riginal	Feb 7th, 2005 06:33:23 AM
You mean that scene when Bruce Wayne is wearing samurai armor? Thats ACTUALLY samurai armor, not the batsuit, if thats what you were referring to. If not, ignore this post.
Not that anyone reads this far down, but.... by Fawst	Feb 7th, 2005 07:21:48 AM
Is it possible... just possible... that this set of teasers has been the biggest misdirection ever? Know how they show insanely "cool" trailers of action/scifi movies and you complain after you leave the theater that you saw all the best parts in the trailers? HMMMMMM... maybe they're being SMART for once and doing what a teaser is supposed to do... TEASE. I don't want to see Batman fight anyone in these spots. I don't want to see any of the amazing visuals. I don't want to see the depth of a character. I want to see it in the movie and enjoy it then. No one fucking gets it anymore. Does it look interesting? Fuck yah! And please, comparing "Chicks dig the car" to "Does it come in black?" You must be kidding. "Chicks dig the car" is one of the worst lines EVER in a comic movie. And even if it was funny, it certainly wasn't Batman.
Did you see that? by Evil Chicken	Feb 7th, 2005 07:54:41 AM

So much time is being wasted by Mr Chuff	Feb 7th, 2005 07:58:30 AM
by twats on here bitching and pissing and moaning about a film THEY WILL GO AND SEE when it comes out. People who go "every single pic/trailer i see of this movie just makes me less and less interested" are hypocrytical cunts and should be dragged out into the street, have a tube stuck in their ass, barbed wire down the tube and then pull the tube out and fucking leave them there whinging about how Luca$ (the dollar sign is SO clever too) fucked up their childhood... despite the fact that they're all still stuck in it.
Are you kidding me? by Johnny Storm	Feb 7th, 2005 08:11:41 AM
That looks awesome. Quit your bitching, fan boys.
The trailer was fine and did you really think they were going to by Darksider	Feb 7th, 2005 08:50:49 AM
I think Nolan is going for as realistic as he can get to stay away from the previous films. The Scarecrow shot may have been from an early part of the film. There may be more later, so relax. I think he could really use the hat though. The line about the car was good as well.
Bruce said "does it come in black?" good, Batman said "chicks di by unmancito	Feb 7th, 2005 09:22:25 AM
If you read the comic you know that Bruce acts like a playboy, and jokes a lot (check Batman:Year one, Gordon goes to the manor for an example), but bats rarely does, and if he does it it's to the innercircle (JLA, Robin, Nithgwing, etc) not to some girl that shows up suddenly, the chessy line is definitely something Bruce will say and i will watch the movie for one!!!
re: "Chicks dig the car"... wasn't it Robin who said that to Bat by JasonPratt	Feb 7th, 2005 09:35:36 AM
Granted, B&R is a terrible movie, and would still be a terrible movie if it didn't feature a terrible version of Batman (Robin's a bit closer to right). But as I recall, the line occurs like this: opening credits, batsignal, B&R getting ready (cue loving closeup of batrumps, gag), Robin delivers first line of the movie--"I want my own car. Chicks dig the car." As sad as it is, it _does_ in fact fit the character in the movie, and even manages to have continuity relevance (Robin stealing the Batmobile in BF and finding out it impresses girls; Robin joyriding it again in B&R during that ridiculous car race through Gotham up and down buildings.) -- So yeah, I definitely prefer the nudge-wit of the new spot. It's closer to the "Get in the car..." "Which one?" reveal of the first movie; and even has a bit of parallel from the animated Batman theatrical film (where Bruce and his girlfriend are attending a 1930s-ish New York World's Fair shortly before he becomes Batman, and he sees the Batmobile in prototype. The obvious unspoken thought would be "Does it come in black?")
wait... I may be wrong... {g} by JasonPratt	Feb 7th, 2005 09:43:28 AM
The horror of those previous two movies kind of overlaps each other; and God knows I don't have them handy for reference. But unmancito's reference now has me doubting if I'm remembering rightly; because I _do_ now sort of remember Batman giving this line to Nicole Kidman's character in that first rooftop meeting. urg. -- Of course, all of this is compounded by the fact that only in those two movies would _any_ woman dig _that_ car. (I think most women would be pretty wry, at best, about the one from the Burton films, but at least it was respectable.)
I didnt like it by Animation	Feb 7th, 2005 09:52:14 AM
His voice sounds too "I'm forcing myself to talk all raspy." That could be your usual voice-over junk. His face doesnt seem right ... when he looks at the camera and says "Does it come in black?" aside from the cheese, his face just doesn't really look the part. That may be ridiculous to say from such a brief clip though. All in all, I'd say I'm less impressed than the teaser where he delivered the "... Me." line at the end. Also, I love Batman and loved the 1st Tim Burton Batman movie, aside from the complaint that they always seem to kill the villain in these things.
I'm with the Zabe by devil0509	Feb 7th, 2005 10:17:25 AM
Steve Zabin, on his morning sports talk show, basically asked, "So who's the pansy playing Batman?" I think you all can take that as the standard gut-reaction of the mainstream American fan. Doesn't mean the movie isn't gonna rock. Everyone's first reaction to Michael Keaton playing Batman was "Huh?! Mr. Mom?!" And Keaton pulled the role off beautifully. We'll see. At least the tone they're selling so far is right.
Why two? by invaderzim365	Feb 7th, 2005 10:17:58 AM
Why do all of the Batman movies (save the first one) insist on having two villains?
This Movie by GEORGEFNLUCAS	Feb 7th, 2005 10:18:08 AM
You know the only way the TalkBack Haters will be impressed is if the trailer launched a tube out of their televisions and sucked them off. They're the type of assholes who'd bang a supermodel and complain that she was as deep as a paper plate. I'm certainly not going to defend some directors' choice of dialogue or the goddamned publicity people's choice of trailer edits (Sorry, Haters, trailers aren't always edited and reviewed by the directors and prinicipal editors, so you can't always look at a trailer and say 'this is crap'.)******************Fin ally, I go to movies to escape, and nothing you hateful sonsabitches are going to make me dislike a movie I haven't seen yet. Batman's my favorite character, and NOTHING in this trailer makes me think they're not taking this character seriously...as seriously as a CHILDREN'S COMIC BOOK CHARACTER can be taken, mind you...Besides what's worse? "Does it come in black?" with a smirk, or "COWABUNGA!" from Robin as he and Batman FUCKING SNOWBOARD/SKYBOARD OUT OF A GODDAMNED ROCKET HEADED FOR THE MOON THAT EXPLODES AROUND THEM THOUSANDS OF MILES ABOVE GOTHAM CITY?!?! ARRRRHGLEAGLE-AAAHGLE!! DA BAD GUYS AH IN DEAH....Okay...back to...senses...Last Action Hero + Gallon o' Guinness Night = Bad Line Fever. Take it easy, Haters, it's not like this is Batman and Robin...****************** Hater #1: Well! If it isn't the so-called 'Batman'! What can be said about your Batmobile that hasn't been said about Afghanistan? It looks bombed out and depleted!************Rest of the Hateful Sumbitches: Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...********
Cyber Tooth by SilentType	Feb 7th, 2005 10:34:48 AM
Bale said in an interview with Dark Horizons that he purposely changed his voice when he was in the Batsuit because he felt as if that is what a real person would do. As Wayne, he talks normally. Jesus, this tv spot rocked, you hateful sumbitches dont seem to like ANYTHING! Im sure we'll hear you all moan when we finally see some KONG action! Morons.
Sorry Cybertooth, by SilentType	Feb 7th, 2005 10:35:40 AM
my post was meant for the guy above you, Animation.
Nice... by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 10:37:55 AM
I love seeing the hate for the haters. They truly do suck mandrill ass. Backlash is a bitch, ain't it? Nothing wrong with legitimate and/or informed criticism, but the high-pitched whining over shades of color being wrong, or voices being raspy, or burlap actually looking like burlap, or nit-picking over a line in a trailer is nothing but the angry bitching of malodorous fanboy losers furiously masturbating to their McFarlane Toy collection. Nothing a severe beating about the face and neck with a gravel-filled rubber hose wouldn't cure, mind you.
I knew lobbying for Bale instead of Kutcher wasn't a mistake by quantum_ken	Feb 7th, 2005 11:17:17 AM
As insane as this sounds, I feel rewarded for my insignificant efforts to put Bale in the suit.
OgreYouAsshole by SilentType	Feb 7th, 2005 11:23:11 AM
A. PSYCHO reference....me likeee.
the clip rocked... by lynxpro	Feb 7th, 2005 11:35:59 AM
And as for Wayne having a sense of humor; Wayne often cracked jokes in Batman The Animated Series, which is at the top of the fanboy shelf. Hellz, Batman even smiled a couple of times in the series too. This is going to be a great film, just as Episode III will be. And HHGTTG... we are in for some serious treats this summer season.
Quantum Ken by SilentType	Feb 7th, 2005 11:49:11 AM
You really think fans had anything to do with that decision? I dont think so.
kdog, check out Bob Kane/Bill Finger's original Batman by Hud	Feb 7th, 2005 12:03:43 PM
A) Who wouldn't want to be named Bill Finger? B) The original Kane Batman killed folks on the regular. He even carried a gun (in them days, the character's psychology was not as important as his pathology
it'sfunny by unmancito	Feb 7th, 2005 12:11:48 PM
All of you haters, can say whatever you want, because in the end you'll be on line i june, salivating, just like me and the others that are already lovin this movie, what i have seen so far is cool and tons better than the last 2 batman, if nolan makes a movie as good as bats 1 and 2 i'll still be happy, but i think nolan will do an amazin' batman, so i'll hold my hate(if there's any) untill then!! right now i'm just happy that the batman franchise has a life after the batnipple fiasco!!
The commercials for BATMAN BEGINS and WAR OF THE WORLDS were the by Kikstad	Feb 7th, 2005 12:13:08 PM
2005 will be a great year for movies.
forget scarecrow, i wanna see more ra's al ghul!!! by yeah i'm a jerk!	Feb 7th, 2005 12:32:15 PM
scarecrow is cool enough as a villain, but ra's is who i'm wanting to see. as far as i'm concerned this is the villian i never thought would show up in the movies.
quit whining about Batman killing by Dented Helmet	Feb 7th, 2005 12:36:24 PM
The only thing dividing Batman from the criminals is that he doens't kill? Please. Last I heard Batman wasn't robbing convenience stores and raping women. Get over it.
Without Humor by flossygomez	Feb 7th, 2005 12:56:35 PM
this movie would fall flat. See: the Spiderman 2 elevator ride. See: Wolverine in XMen2 with the kitty. See: Gimli and the hobbits in LOTR. Humor adds complexity to characters and relief to tense storylines. And you know as well as I do you can cut trailers and teasers to look any old way you want to spark interest.Give me a break morons.
Fire! Fire! heh heh by kafka07	Feb 7th, 2005 01:07:18 PM
Many folks are complaining about how the Scarecrow looks too plain. Personally I think it makes sense to not have him look so over-the-top when he is in an earlier stage. When characters are under the influence of the fear toxin, he will look very freaky. That scene in the Superbowl trailer when the Scarecrow is holding up the lighter, he is about to do something rather twisted with that little flame. Batman's suit is still black and rubbery, but it does seem to be a lot more mobile and flexible. I think this Batman will see a lot more action than previous Batmen. I don't think there's anything wrong with the "Does it come in black" line. He says it during his millionare playboy half, and not the Batman half of his persona. Partly what made the "chicks love the car" line in Forever so awkward was that he says it as Batman and not Bruce. The car looks weird, but it sounds awesome. And I know it will perform some really neat tricks in the film.
"It's hilarious when the "whiny fanboys" turn out to be correct. by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 01:22:22 PM
Whatever helps you get through the day, chief.
Looks pretty cool to me by NapoleonDynamite	Feb 7th, 2005 01:23:54 PM
I like what I see of Bale as Wayne and I'm just digging the whole vibe of the trailer. I think Nolan is going to nail this thing.
Moviemack step away from the caffine!!!! by Hunter-X	Feb 7th, 2005 01:29:14 PM
You're getting a little too fired up over a talkback about a freakin' 30 second commercial!!! And actually the worst dialog in any superhero movie was the WHOLE script of Batman and Robin. Batman Begins looks awesome. I haven't read the script so I might actually be surprised at certain parts of the film, but the cast is solid and the director is top-notch. So, chill the fuck out and wait for the full trailer before you assemble your mob of haters.
"chicks dig the car" in both JS movies.. by mcflytrap	Feb 7th, 2005 01:33:36 PM
was in FOREVER when kilmer said it to kidman, then in B&R when robin reiterated it to batman as a joke...just to clear that up
I like the Batman and War of the Worlds spot by Lost Skeleton	Feb 7th, 2005 02:42:35 PM
I think the Batman Begins spot has finally peeked my interest.
This is why Superman works alone... by MattmanReturns	Feb 7th, 2005 02:43:33 PM

Bale is awesome by 2LeggedFreak	Feb 7th, 2005 02:43:58 PM
This trailer won't really tell us much but the one over-riding feel I have from the first teaser through to now is that Bale will probably be the best Batman to date. He's probably as good an actor as Keaton and he isn't a dwarf.
mandrill ass by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 02:46:38 PM
I seem to have hit a nerve with you there, moviemack.
the more i see, the more i like by satansteve	Feb 7th, 2005 02:46:40 PM
im more excited about this film than star wars, and i never thought that possible. dont get me wrong, i love star wars, more than several ex girlfriends, but batman begins just looks to be...the tits. wasnt sure about the scarecrow from sketches etc, but he looks ok for what he is: which is a not very well off guy in a suit with a sack over his head. this movie will own come june 17th, ill be there and no u all will 2.
Dunno, fellas.... by DarkHawke	Feb 7th, 2005 02:53:43 PM
...Is this REALLY gonna be better than either of the two Burton films? It's kinda like watching the Dune mini-series after the Dune theatrical movie: the former seemingly can't help but imitate the latter, yet the obvious changes made between versions DON'T seem to have fixed any actual problems that the movie project may have had! Maybe "Batman" and "Batman Returns" aren't the end-all, be-all of comic book movies, but I don't see anything so far in "Batman Begins" that's gonna surpass them. The Batsuit looks pretty much like the all-black one Val Kilmer had, though thankfully sans the faggy nipples and codpiece. The Bat-mobile, while visually impressive, just don't cut it vs. the one in the Burton movies. The production is at least as star-studded, which don't mean shit unless they're given something to do and good direction. I love Goyer's comic work, but the single feature I've seen of his (Blade) wasn't all that and a bag o' chips. Beats me if Golden really is that as a director, and the signature line from this preview does NOT convince me that Bale will give us any better a Bruce Wayne than Michael Keaton, and that was a pretty DAMN good Bruce Wayne! But to go back to the Dune analogy, if the movie strayed too far from the text, it nailed the look and feel of the book dead on. Same for Burton's Bat-flicks vis a vis the comic books, far as I'm concerned. The only way you could top them would be to turn out as character-driven a movie as Spider-man 2 was, and THAT was a comic movie that truly surpassed its genre. If the Academy had any true vision, it'd be Mr. Raimi and Co. boasting double-digit Oscar nods right now! That said, and barring some scary-ass reviews, I'll be fair and give Begins a shot when it comes out. But just based on teaser trailers, what I'm REALLY hot for is the FF movie in five months!
Hunter X typed it best: by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 03:07:03 PM
"Moviemack step away from the caffine!!!!"
mehhhh!!!! by ScaryJim	Feb 7th, 2005 03:10:12 PM
cwom on !!!Batman directed by chris nolan - i can do nothing but raaaa! to those saying there is not enough bells and whistles ... the best thing about bats as a superhero is that he is almost believable unlike SUPER and SPIDER etc. I just hope we have a story this time that is not just a load of fancy set scenes - and yes as someone said - bats needs to do more detective work .
"For the record, I've never had coffee or soda." by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 03:13:12 PM
How am I supposed to take you seriously?
burton's take by xocgx	Feb 7th, 2005 03:15:03 PM
Batman (1989) was a good film, but it wasn't Batman....jack wasn't comic accurate, many scenes were hokey and could Michael Keaton take on anyone in a fight? Look at Bale in American Psycho when he is flexing for the camera....now THAT is believable!
moviemack by ScaryJim	Feb 7th, 2005 03:17:41 PM
LOL you crack me up . it'll be good ! it'll be shit ! do you resent people getting excited would ya rather see us miserable ? is that what you want ? a blubbering pile of talkbackers crying about how shite everything is - if you like that why don't you go to a self help group instead of a movie fan site ? or are you toofuckingcool.com? :0)
Moviemack's an asshole by MattmanReturns	Feb 7th, 2005 03:18:19 PM
But at least he's a funny asshole. I think the movie looks great.
all ur base r belong to BATMAN !! by ScaryJim	Feb 7th, 2005 03:20:23 PM

heh by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 03:21:14 PM
I don't which is funnier -- you pretending that you're even interested in a conversation, or you thinking that you've said anything even remotely connected with Batman Begins to be worthy of thoughtful counterpoints.
by ScaryJim	Feb 7th, 2005 03:22:25 PM
well we'll remember you when it's shit/good
Not bad... by WHALEBLUBBER	Feb 7th, 2005 03:28:05 PM
But not great either.
I'd ask if it came in Black too! by Drath	Feb 7th, 2005 03:33:54 PM
Hey, that line works fine in that setting. He
"Obviously you don't pay any attention to what I'm typing anyway by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 03:36:14 PM
Sure I do. So far in this TB, you haven't posted one sentence consisting of a well-founded opinion concerning the film. What you have done, however, is defend the right to hate the film on sheer principle. Nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend it's even faintly relevant or interesting. Voicing a fear that the film might suck based on having read a script or seen a trailer is perfectly reasonable, but to unequivocally assert that the film WILL suck based on the same sources is just obnoxious. For the record, I'll keep answering your posts as long as the rage it provokes in you continues to entertain me.
Finally by CASE	Feb 7th, 2005 03:49:53 PM
I pointed at the screen and yelled, "YES!"
I was going to... by Childe Roland	Feb 7th, 2005 03:51:44 PM
...congratulate moviemack for not spouting off in this talkback about what a shitfest this movie is going to be (not how bad he thinks its going to be, mind you, but how bad it will be, because he KNOWS), but then I saw that he just got to the dance late. For him and all the other folks who prefer their Batman movies pre-disastered, here's a thought: Don't go to the movie. Can you do that? You seem to have made up your minds (many of you based on nothing more than rumors or a few out-of-context stills or a couple of brief flashes in trailers) that this movie is going to be vile. But can you make yourself stay away from the theater? I don't think so. At least not alone. That's why you want to sway as many people as possible into the negativity camp: to reinforce your irrational fear and prejudice and, hopefully, speed the movie out of theaters to minimize your window of temptation. The irony being, most of you will see it opening day. Although I doubt you will have the courage to admit it, much less admit you actually liked it (which I suspect more than a few of you will, even if it does, indeed, suck balls, which it might). Moviemack is only slightly different than the rest of you. He's read the script, which is something I just don't get. He claims to love Batman as a character and hopes for a movie interpretation worthy of his personal take on the character (never going to happen, by the way, unless you're a reallly wealthy guy with a lot of studio friends). Why spoil your own surprise and read enough about the movie to prolong the obviously bad and bitter feelings of disappointment that we all knew you weren't going to be able to avoid? If you'd waited and caught the movie at a cheap matinee or even downloaded it, you could have dealt with your feelings of emptiness and disappointment all at once, like ripping off a band aid. Instead you "spoil" the movie for yourself (in the "spoiler" sense of the word, since this movie would've been ruined for you no matter when you learned its secrets) and savor the agony over... what's it been now? How many months since you started your rant? Doesn't it get exhausting? Do you honestly think your continuing sermon is going to sway anyone, even those complaining along with you, into NOT seeing the movie? Or, worse, are you so deluded that you think you will convince the studio to change the movie or not release it? Studio execs don't love you and they don't care that this isn't the Batman you wanted. They are going to make gobs of money off of this and then, no matter how hard you protest, they're going to make another one. Probably two more. And I'll bet you end up seeing all three in the theater, regardless of what you type here. Because it's Batman and you just won't be able to help yourself. So stop your crying and bend over and take it already. Oh... and for the record, the trailer has me cautiously optimistic.
Critical thinking skills by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 03:59:55 PM
It is painfully obvious that most of you "satisfied" talkbackers have little to no true familiarity with Batman or the character's mythos. It seems your familiarity comes solely from the films and whatever has trickled into your subconscious. This film is based on the comic book, therefore it should reflect the comic book. Here's something most of you have missed: there is no Bruce Wayne. When young Bruce witnessed his parents' death, he suffered a severe psychological break. Bruce Wayne ceased to exist. Now, Bruce Wayne is the mask that Batman wears when necessary. SPOILER At the point in the film where Lucius Fox is showing Wayne the proto-Batmobile, Fox knows Wayne is Batman, so he wouldn't be so glib, because it would be unnecessary. The Batsuit is gear, and it is not what makes him Batman. Has Batman killed in the comic book? Yes, but not often. Does he have a history of killing his enemies? No. Has he killed the Joker before? In Dark Knight Returns, sure, but Dark Knight is a possible future, not THE future. It happened in the sense that you read it and you saw it occur on the page, but it's not the only way it can go down. I am an every week comic book fan, and I've seen the Joker die in various ways. He died (and came back) in the Batman Beyond movie. But pick up an issue of Batman right now and pretty much all of his villains live. SPOILER. Has Batman ever been so in love that he is willing to give up the responsibility of being Batman for a woman? No, but he will in Batman Begins. I'll repeat: Batman isn't Bruce Wayne dressed up as Batman. Why does the Batsuit always have to be made out of black rubber? Why can't we get a 2005 interpretation of the 60's television show costume? I'm not saying simple silk-screened fabric, but c'mon. Let's all just step out of our literal minds for a second. Batman has existed as a character for years and years, and has subsequently evolved, sure, but some things about who Batman is and what he represents have remained unchanged. I don't think we'll see a Batman film that satisfies comic book fans until a comic book artist and writer does one. Also, it's not about whether or not any of us haters or proclaimers will be there on opening day or whether or not any of us will pay to see the film. Despite the fact that I have read the same script moviemack as, and that I think the Batsuit looks laughable, and all the teasers, commercials and posters are rote and uninspiring, I will go see the film in theaters, if only to give the film a chance, to have an even more informed opinion and to "put my money where my mouth is." Box office is no indication of how "good" a film is. Titanic made millions and millions. And all you haters, down on moviemack, myself and others for being unhappy with how Batman Begins is being represented through various sources of evidence without seeing the finished product, I have a question for you. Evolution or Creationism?
I take it morgan freemans character knows that bruce wayne is ba by slappy jones	Feb 7th, 2005 04:01:27 PM
..cos if not he is going to figure it our pretty quickly if, lets just say, he is watching the news one night and reporters have footage of this mysterious batman driving away from an action scene in a black version of the wayne industries prototype ATV that he showed to bruce wayne who then asked if it came in black....i think he might put two and two together rather quickly....
It IS hard to fathom how we are supposed to take the word of som by FluffyUnbound	Feb 7th, 2005 04:04:34 PM
If you aren't Valentine Michael Smith, that means you would have to be either a) a freak or b) a Mormon who likes Batman - and frankly, both of those possibilities lower your credibility to zero.
oh and another thing... by slappy jones	Feb 7th, 2005 04:06:06 PM
the people complaining about cheesy lines of dialogue...have you guys actually ever read a comic book?
Mr. Miracle by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 04:15:22 PM
I have no love for the previous Batman films. The first two I enjoyed when they first came out despite their failure to capture what I felt was the traditional essence of the comic book Batman which, yes, I've read pretty much all my life. I just saw them as an alternative view of Batman. Over the years, however, their flaws have grated on me more and more -- to the point where I've come to consider them virtually unwatchable. I put it to you that most people cautiously optimistic about this latest incarnation are in fact NOT big fans of the Burton flicks and DO read the comics. Watching a few trailers is one thing, but like Childe Roland, I can't for the life of me understand the mentality of people who read scripts of highly anticipated films beforehand and spend the coming months ranting themselves into bleeding ulcers for something which: 1) might go through several incarnations before finally being shot, and 2) might actually seem a lot better once it's been visualized. Pessimism is fine. Fear is fine. Caution is fine. Utter hatred at this early stage is, on the other hand, ludicrous.
I've been a huge fan of Batman since about 1970 ... and there is by JDanielP	Feb 7th, 2005 04:16:40 PM
I would've LOVED to have seen a David Fincher directed "BATMAN: YEAR ONE" ... in the visual style of Fincher's "SEVEN", which resembles the art from the "YEAR ONE" graphic series ... with the muted color tones. -- As to "BATMAN BEGINS", despite my disappointment in the "look" of this costume (mostly the ears), it could be (and has been) much worse. I do appreciate the mobility of this Bat-suit and I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that "open cape" shot, ... and how it reminds me of how artist Marshall Rogers exaggerated Batman's cape in those Steve Englehart/Len Wein written comics of the '70s. (The 2-parter with "Clayface III", ... an underrated villain with intellegence, psychosis, and strength, ... are among my favorite comics of all time.) It appears that the cape may be one of the few things exaggerated in this movie, with the apparent life-like translation. Give us a good (and respectful) story of how Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, ... with fight scenes that rival Bruce Lee's "ENTER THE DRAGON" and "RETURN OF THE DRAGON", ... and you can expect a HUGE hit this summer. -- I'm looking forward to it.
Dark Knight Returns -- Joker's Death by Darth_Soderbergh	Feb 7th, 2005 04:18:13 PM
IN The Dark Knight Returns -- Batman did not kill the Joker -- he was about to, and had no doubt permanently crippled him, but held himself back at the end. Then, with his last ounce of strength, the Joker twisted his own spine, furthering the damage Batman had already done and making it look like the Caped Crusader had indeed killed him (letting loose his final -- and best -- joke in that possible future tale).
Bruce Wayne is Batman's alter-ego by Grammaton Cleric	Feb 7th, 2005 04:19:17 PM
Once Bruce's parents are killed, there is no more Bruce Wayne. He becomes Batman at that point, and adopts the "Bruce Wayne" persona for the public: dashing, charming, witty, and confidant. That is what makes Batman and interesting hero, and I hope that's what they nail in this new flick. Bale has experience playing this kind of character. Patrick Bateman was his slick front put on to hide his murderous urges. American Psycho is so fucking good; and if he brings even have that energy to Bruce Wayne/Batman...we're in for a fucking treat.
moviemack by DocPazuzu	Feb 7th, 2005 04:28:02 PM
See? Now that wasn't too hard, was it?
When are we going to see? by screenplaywriter	Feb 7th, 2005 04:38:07 PM
Characters like Talia (whom would work because you have Ken Watanabe as Rahs Al-Ghul in this film playing a significant role in Batman's story arc), or Ruper Thorne (the overweight mob boss that was the equivalent of the Kingpin on the old "BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES" cartoon) or the likes of Clayface or Manbat or the Mad Hatter? It's about time these characters are introduced or used. You don't need to go back and remake The Joker, or Catwoman, or The Penguin, or The Riddler, or Two-Face, or hell even Poison Ivy, but you do need to remake two characters: Mr. Freeze (Ben Kingsley) and Bane. Bane was such a underused character and Shumacher made him into a brainless dumbass. Bane isn't some mentally challenged idiot, he is a muscle-bound freakshow of an assassin. He is the man who broke the Bat! I mean come on! I think though that Manbat and Clayface would be awesome! And Killer Croc would be cool to see also if done right. Babydoll wouldn't work to well unless you teamed her up with The Ventriloquist. Just my two cents.
moviemack IS right by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 04:39:55 PM
According to the leaked script that I've also read, and supported by every leaked, official and peripheral photograph, action figure, actor's/director's/producer's comment, video game screenshot, one sheet, short blurb or article, rumor, official website statement, teaser and commerical. Sucks, but it's true. That's what this film is going to be about, based on everything they've shown us, official or not. I'll be the first dude to admit I was wrong if this film comes out and is great. But it doesn't look good.
Just saw the spot on TV! by Fugazi32	Feb 7th, 2005 04:40:43 PM
The scarecrow looks kewl!
DarkHawke, good points! by ComputerGuy68	Feb 7th, 2005 05:15:09 PM
I feel the same about the Dune movies too, (can't wait for the new DVD!) I'm still not excited by this, but Bale has me sold as The Bat. I might just be tempted to see one other film in the theatre this year after Ep.III. As to the Burton films, kind of hit and miss. I wish there was an "Phantom Edit" on Batman Returns, and have just the Catwoman story. I loved that part of the story...
I have to say moviemack... by Ribbons	Feb 7th, 2005 05:21:38 PM
...I know you're not the most objective medium, but that plot synopsis does sound pretty craptacular. Hurm.
The more low key the better... by DoctorWho?	Feb 7th, 2005 05:43:11 PM
Let's get back to the millionare viglante...the detective...the ordinary man who has the resources, money... and of course mad thirst for payback and justice that makes Batman so great. No super human feats...just a man who's sharpened his mental and physical abilities to their peak. And a few cool gadgets thrown in as well. Batman was always more akin to James Bond rather than Superman. And face it...only a couple of scenes from Burtons Batman hold up now. The rest is a mess.
"Keaton pulled the role off beautifully." by The Killer-Goat	Feb 7th, 2005 05:53:07 PM
Oi. Now THAT'S a stretch. More like "He got away with it."
Ahahahahahaha! by Cadillac Jones	Feb 7th, 2005 05:55:43 PM
The Scarecrow not looking scary enough. Okay... if I saw some >>>motherfucker walk in my house wearing a GOD DAMN BURLAP SACK WITH SEWN UP EYES AND MOUTH ON HIS FUCKING HEAD... fucking-a, I couldn't piss my pants and jump out the window fast enough!
That trailer hit the Bat spot... by abesapien	Feb 7th, 2005 06:05:31 PM
Its just what I was looking for to get me excited about the film. The part where Alfred steps outta the plane and says "Master Wayne- its been a long time" just gave me goose bumps. The "Does it come in black" doesnt bother me- it is humorous- but its black humour(no pun intended)- and totally within character- also its an appropriate question as we all know what Wayne plans to do with the vehichle. I just hope all the main actors involved nail the characters we all love so much. Everything I've seen so far hints at that. Can't wait to see Oldman playing Gordon firing up that Batsignal. The only thing that bugs me slightly is Bale's American accent- to me it always comes across as forced and unconvincing- I've thought this since American Psycho- I dunno- hopefully it'll grow on me eventually as I think hes right for the role otherwise and a talented actor to boot!!!
You're right, Darth_Soderbergh, so... by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 06:06:08 PM
Even more evidence that Batman rarely kills. Except in the movies. I also no one defends Batman having eyeholes and wearing black eye make up. SPOILER There's a scene in Batman Begins where Alfred has to remind Batman to wipe off his eye makeup before he goes into a ballroom. Riiiiiiiigghhht. Because Batman is so, you know, forgetful.
"also its an appropriate question as we all know what Wayne plan by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 06:11:19 PM
Did you miss the part in the commerical and the teaser where he's spray painting the Batsuit? What happens if it doesn't come in black? "Does it come in black?" is a stupid thing to say and Wayne obviously means it as a joke, because SPOILER Lucius Fox knows who Batman is. It's also obvious that Bruce Wayne is a dude who dresses up as Batman in Batman Begins, which makes it ordinary and rote. C'mon, abesapien, use your brain.
Miracles can happen... by Childe Roland	Feb 7th, 2005 06:15:28 PM
...Mr. Miracle, if only you believe... or at least suspend your disbelief. I have been a Batfan since I first learned to read, drawn in by the pretty pictures in my older brother's comic collection nigh three decades ago and, being cursed with an inability to forget things, have committed virtually every element of the Bat mythos in all its incarnations to memory. Look at the comic alone for example. How many different writers and artists have attempted to put their distinct stamp on the character over the years by tweaking something about his appearance (Remember the panties/no panties debate of the 90s? Or the pouches vs. cylinders ont he utility belt issue? And just how is his chest emblem supposed to look anyway?) or, heaven forbid, his backstory (Year One essentially reinvented the character from the way he had been depicted in his actual first appearances and Ducard, one of the many experts he sought out during his self-funded study abroad program, didn't come into the picture until the whole Many Deaths of the Batman storyline, which is relatively recent). Point is, especially in the DCU (pre and post Crisis) continuity is a malleable concept at best. There is no definitive "take" on the Batman. Just different artists' and writers' (and animators' and actors' and directors') takes on what has become a cultural icon. This is why Moviemack will never be happy with a Batman movie. It will never be "his" Batman, depicted the way he has come to view the character. I'm sorry, 'mack, but their is no objective standard of truth to hold this fictional being to, he's open to interpretation and always has been. Just because the vision on the screen doesn't match the vision in your mind doesn't make it wrong. In fact, since they possess the legal rights to the character right now, it could be argued that their vision is more true and right than yours will ever be (although personally I like to think that Batman belongs to those who love him and no bad movie or campy TV show can ever truly take him away). Try not to let your personal biases prejudice you against a film you haven't seen and you may just be surprised.
movie mack its in the post by Fight-clubber	Feb 7th, 2005 06:21:09 PM
You just want that shiny medal dont ya, u keep goin on and on and on about that script u got ur hands on. For this i have sent u a medal. And slate the film when it comes out dip shit not b4. And you hate the batmobile, have u ever fucking read the dark knight returns he drove a fuckin tank in that, but hey thats a comic book not a film so it must be ok.
I was going to agree with DocPazuzu about not hating a film befo by The Killer-Goat	Feb 7th, 2005 06:34:02 PM
but after reading moviemack's script synopsis... that's a tough call. How many decades and remakes before they get the origin and mythos right? The animated Batman: Mask of the Phantasm had a similar plot element regarding a love-interest for Bruce during the Bat origins, that was actually done pretty well, I thought, if only to reinforce Batman's indeterminate and non-existent love life. But it was done much better than this script sounds. *********** Regarding the 'no killing' policy; I was aware that Bats didn't carry guns, but wasn't some saint against the death penalty or killing, if left with little alternative. I think his constant failing and source of frustration was the repeated cycle of trusting in the justice system to keep the perps in check after he busted them over and over. Kinda contradictive given his nature of working outside the law, FOR the law. When you consider that most of Batman's opponents use guns, the 'killing' part seems kinda blurry when self-defense is a priority. If I recall, his stance on guns was that they all have a singular purpose-- to kill. Swords, batarangs, staffs, ropes, fists, etc... all close-combat melee weapons 'can' kill someone but also have defensive potential in the hands of an expert. A gun, however, has only one singular purpose in the wrong hands, and requires little respect for the whole 'life/death' equation that one gleans from martial arts. Kinda supports his 'cowardly and superstitious lot' credo. If they touch on Bruce's martial arts training, do they also touch on the idea of guns not being 'honorable' weapons? And on the practial side, I recall that guns weren't Batman's MO for "silent weapons", either.
"Does it come in black?" I hear that question every time I drop by Mel Garga	Feb 7th, 2005 06:37:42 PM

You don't get it, Childe Roland by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 06:44:00 PM
I argue that there is a "definitive" Batman, but this "definitive" form is not defined by appearance or anything that writers and artists over the years have added or subtracted. Or anything that has actually "happened" in continuity. Or any interpretation or misinterpretation. Thank Grant Morrisson for hypertime. Because of the existence of this "definitive form" of Batman, there are certain undeniable things that "are" Batman, and things that "are not" Batman. Batman Begins demonstrates many things that "are not" Batman, and this extends beyond anyone's "personal" Batman. When Abrahm's abortion of a Superman screenplay was leaked, there was an outcry over the "un-Superman" things contained therein. Lex Luthor is not a Kryptonian. I never said that continiuty was important. It is a simple, simple thing to look at something and see it for what it is. SPOILER If Joe Chill gets caught and incarcerated moments after he kills the Wayne, that's not Batman. Part of Batman's whole psychosis was that his parent's killer was never caught. We don't KNOW that is was Chill, despite Year Two. If Bruce Wayne takes a gun to Chill's parole hearing, that's not Batman. Sure, Batman has used guns before, but not by choice. If Ra's al Ghul pretends to be a henchman and uses a look-a-like, that's not Batman. Why? Ra's al Ghul is not a coward. Using a look-a-like is very un-Ra's al Ghul, in fact. Where are the motherfucking Lazarus Pits? I, and moviemack, and the haters, are thinking critically about this film. I am more than willing to let Nolan and Goyer prove me wrong.
Too bright by Ivan_Mtl	Feb 7th, 2005 06:53:23 PM
From everything I have seen of the movie so far, it just seems much too bright for my liking. Since Batman is supposed to be a "creature of the night," I think there are too many scenes (in the trailer anyway) that take place during the day. The Scraecrow, on the other hand, looks pretty good and genuinely creepy (in a David Cronenberg/Nightbreed sort of way). I still have my reservations about the script and storyline, but I must say that the movie is certainly well cast. If nothing else, the acting will be terrific.
Hopefully Scarecrow looks a lot different in the finished produc by Craiggers	Feb 7th, 2005 06:57:30 PM
Perhaps that shot in the trailer was just Jonathan Crane in transition to the Scarecrow. You know, he's in his office at the university, locks the doors, and puts the burlap sack on. Later, when Batman drops in, Scarecrow will be in full costume. The way he has been described thus far by people who have seen the movie, I refuse to believe THIS (a man in in a suit and burlap sack mask)is what those people have described as a freaky looking Scarecrow. There's got to be more to it. If not, well, we can take comfort in that Scarecrow doesn't really have much of a role in the overall plot.
Hey, hey... by PerineumLick	Feb 7th, 2005 07:43:05 PM
Why all the animosity? Everyone here on the talkback has a right to their opinion, everyone has a right to skepticism, optimism, etc...that's the point of the talkback, to generate healthy discussion and debate amongst us movielovers. Yeah, I'll admit listening to consistently negative talkbackers bash every minute detail can get monotonous, but what really irks me is when guys insult and threaten people for posting views different from theirs. So what someone hates the Batmobile look, does that make him a moron or an asshole? This makes me wonder how many talkbackers here are adults or really adolescents getting their rocks off with stupid-ass wisecracks? I thought being a JERKWAD LOSER got you banned? Oh well...
TheReturnofHP, moviemack by filker-tom	Feb 7th, 2005 07:49:34 PM
Y'know, maybe I don't get it. And maybe you don't. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything here, at least not to you specifically for responding to me. My point was that EVERY damn flick that gets previewed gets a healthy share of "this is going to be the worst sucky piece of shit ever in this history of the fuckin' universe" blah-blah based on a few moments of footage, an early production drawing, or the fact that the 2nd Assistant Key Grip's boyhood sweetheart once rented a car that had driven through the neighborhood where Joel Schumacher once went to get some pad thai, and THEN they rag on anyone who might have found it interesting, or thought it was kinda good or even (gasp) all good. I myself want the Scarecrow to have his hat. Without it, I think he looks too much like Button-Eyes from Nightbreed. But we'll see. All I'm saying is, saying that some footage, or a drawing, or the cast or crew or whatever is good or bad is perfectly valid and a lot of fun. But pronouncing that the whole thing is doomed AND that everyone who disagrees with you is full of shit seems... well... very Republican. :)
Moviemack, if I wanted to know the whole movie I would do like y by screenplaywriter	Feb 7th, 2005 07:50:07 PM
Jesus, spare us the damn spoilers will ya? I mean whether what you say is true, or just mere rumors please for the love of God on high put a damn Spoiler Warning before you say something, or how about just not say anything at all? I mean have some common courteousy man.
Batman for the die hards is never going to happen by TheAllSeeingEye	Feb 7th, 2005 08:28:57 PM
Moviemack, you long for a movie that will mirror the attitude and style of the comics; it's never going to happen. Sure this movie may be a bastardization of the comic in your eyes but remember that the general movie going population AREN'T die hard batman fans. When people go to see this they don't want to know what he's thinking or how he's feeling, they are there to be entertained and to see shit blow up. When they come out of the theatre they don't want to go for coffee and sit restrospecting Batmans persona, they want to talk about how cool the suit looked or how good the fights were. Warners know this, if they made a movie that appealed to the die hards they'd make what? $3000'ish? I've read a good deal of the comics and, (i'm not looking to goad you into an argument here btw), if they adapted the comic book, EXACTLY, they'd have to be spiking the soda with Prozac; they'd be the most depressing things committed to celluloid. Oh and Batman TAS worked well because it was a regular spot on tv and a cartoon. It's as damn near a comic as you can get. If you wanted to capture the essence of the comic on the Big Screen you'd need the movies to be about 6 hours long and a sequel appearing every month. Just forget about it.
Have some faith pussies! by Nice Marmot	Feb 7th, 2005 08:36:32 PM
Quit your friggin' crying! And look at the bright side, that credit card commercial w/ all the Marvel characters looks 100% better than the Fantastic Four trailer. And for everyone that posted that they don't like football, we already knew that you tools!
timburton's batman by sokitome	Feb 7th, 2005 08:50:32 PM
whoever said tim burton's batman was superb i think was mistaken. It was good but not the definitive version. I think this version looks great despite the LIAM NEESON's character, i think i'm gonna have to wait and actually see the whole film before final judgement on Neeson's character not being asian. I think everything else about this movie looks great. I can't wait.
Naysayers can now leave. Only those with no taste didn't like th by Triumph poops!	Feb 7th, 2005 08:56:00 PM
That was a fucking great trailer, indicating that this movie will be everything I was hoping to finally get out a BATMAN film. Can't wait till this thing opens! This thing is going to be GREAT!
Here's the bottom line: just from the TRAILER this already looks by Commando Cody	Feb 7th, 2005 09:34:52 PM
Face it: we get a young, trim, athletic, handsome guy as Bruce Wayne (who we know can act)... a better group of supporting actors playing more diverse roles to texture the story... a story that really FEELS like it starts the franchise from Day One and is a breath of fresh air... and after all the costuming experimentation since the original Burton film, most likely a functional batsuit that the person wearing it can actually move about in and be believable. I'm betting this right now just from the trailer: this movie on it's own will be better than all the previous Bat films together. And be more true to the character AND have everyone's blood pumping again.
Alright moviemack... by tango fett	Feb 7th, 2005 10:34:30 PM
Point proven. You hate this film with a vengeance and it's not even out yet. That's all fine and good, but not everyone has the same opinion as you and everyone likes their interpretations of Batman different. I think it looks just fine, AND it has Green Day on the soundtrack (you're gonna call me a teenage bitch for saying this, but they are a great band and the fact that it is combined with Batman is tits, but do I really care about your opinion? Does anyone here? Thus the point of this post). I thought it looked sweet and I cannot wait. But I am a little bit dissapointed about one aspect of the film...WHERE'S THE PRINCE SOUNDTRACK?!!
About that last sentence... by tango fett	Feb 7th, 2005 10:36:30 PM
Uh, I hate Prince. His presence ruined much of Batman89.
"the general movie going population AREN'T die hard batman fans. by The Killer-Goat	Feb 7th, 2005 11:08:51 PM
Um. Okay, sure. But I don't see how that justifies watering down or altering the depth and psychology of the main character, or even changing his origins. Is there a single director out there who actually DARES to do something novel and, oh I don't know, actually USE the printed comicbook as the actual storyboard for the film? What, we can't have an interesting, complex superhero because people are incapable of watching involving characters? I think Sam Raimi would argue that one, so would the Spiderman returns. I mean, it's one thing to suggest that the Batman origin of the comic itself is a stupid, shallow, contrived plot, but to imply "this is as good as it gets" because Hollywood has surmised that the general audience is too close-minded, too brainless or too stupid to accept the actual origin story... well then we deserve nothing but Vin Diesel from now on.
Nosferatu Jones, moviemack is telling the truth by Dented Helmet	Feb 7th, 2005 11:18:18 PM
I'm not one for spoilers, but since your attacking the man's cred I might as well say it: yes it's a ruse, and a pretty good one. Unfortunately the script doesn't live up to it. Think about it, in every trailer we've seen, all you see is Bale training with 'Deckard', of course Liam Nieson is the main bad guy, he's the only guy in front of your face.
Holy Friday the 13th part 2 pushers running through disco mod ni by Neosamurai85	Feb 7th, 2005 11:20:52 PM
Yeah, that Scarecrow looks bad. The suit seemed ok. I know there was a lot of griping about it, but I can
Yeah, Nosferatu Jones... by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 11:26:20 PM
it's called a "red herring." Don't be so fucking naive. But what do I expect? Can't use those critical thinking skills if you don't have them, can you?
but it's "Ducard," Dented Helmet by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 11:32:47 PM
"Deckard" was Harrison Ford's character in Blade Runner.
What on earth would be considered good? by silentjay	Feb 7th, 2005 11:41:55 PM
Jesus christ! What will make fans happy? You have a proven, mood-creating director, a great actor in lead and a supporting cast as strong as any film in any genre you'll see all year and that is still just fodder for babbling fan boys. I don't get it, haven't we all gotten over the costume thing by now? We all saw how ass the X-men suits looked when Harry posted them on the site and then when the film opened, all we could talk about was how kick-ass Wolverine cam across. Look, context matters. Plus, the script obviously ties his samuri armor into his inspiration/creation of the batsuit. That is a very believable tactic to win over the audience and is perfectly within character. The movie is called "Batman Begins," therefore Bruce needs to use what he has to get going...it all works perfectly. Plus, have faith in what actors like Oldman, Caine, and Neesan choose to accept. That should tell us a lot. And yes, by now, I fully suspect that the studios know how to play games with us fans. Thus, don't be surprised if more than a few concepts we think we're going to see don't show up in the final cut. Me? I'm in line first effing chance I get. I love Batman, the actors are all top of the line, and fuck yeah, I can't wait to see it in black.
"Plus, the script obviously ties his samuri armor into his inspi by kintar0	Feb 7th, 2005 11:54:33 PM
Nope. How can you say the script "obviously" does anything, you silly twat? SPOILER He spends time as one of "Ra's al Ghul's" ninja henchmen. He wears that while training with "Ducard." But thanks for playing.
More thoughts by Neosamurai85	Feb 7th, 2005 11:56:08 PM

Jesus, Neosamurai85... by kintar0	Feb 8th, 2005 12:11:05 AM
Is English your second language or are you just drunk?
Thin skin methinks... Thin skin methinks... by Neosamurai85	Feb 8th, 2005 12:11:58 AM
Granted there might be a few true blue naysayers on here, but for the most part I
second language... by Neosamurai85	Feb 8th, 2005 12:19:26 AM
Well I am working on my spanish paper for class tomarrow... that might be it. I know I haven't downed THAT much OJ. But odd that I'm in the spotlight. I think there are some far fatter fish in this here barrel to shoot. Peace.
Bad habit... by Neosamurai85	Feb 8th, 2005 12:22:09 AM
I need to quit using... these... in every message... that I send... Star Trek... not even... that big... a fan of... Peace.
Hmmm... (damn it I did it again!) by Neosamurai85	Feb 8th, 2005 12:27:21 AM
I think I
Yah by Ribbons	Feb 8th, 2005 12:39:55 AM
I'm guessing he's drunk ;-)
ThaSithMaster by Ribbons	Feb 8th, 2005 01:20:33 AM
Get bent. That's an understatement. If I cursed you out as badly as I wanted to I probably wouldn't have a handle to write with anymore. Only a moron or a blissfully ignorant homophobe (I'm sure you don't "hate gays," but there are different connotations that come with the word) would rather have David Goyer captain Superman than Bryan Singer. I'm more afraid of 'The Flash' than I am of 'Superman Returns,' but since you obviously are not, I suppose we have nothing more to discuss. In the future, keep your "Supergayman Returns lol Singer's a scumbag" gas to yourself, please, because it smells pretty foul from where I'm standing.
I second that. by kintar0	Feb 8th, 2005 01:27:55 AM
Go fuck yourself, ThaSithMaster. All you got is that you think the actor who plays Superman is gay? What a complete and total cunt.
Thanks for the infor Moviemack, but professor or chemistry geek, by Craiggers	Feb 8th, 2005 01:43:08 AM
As a fan who was really pissed at the changes made to Constantine, I've learned to just accept it and hope that essence of the character is intact. From what I've seen in the trailers, there is some hope. Same thing goes for Batman; people are so concerned that Nolan is making an ultrarealistic Batman, which means dulling down the looks of the bad guys such as Scarecrow into something lame like a burlap sack head and regular clothes for a costume. I HIGHLY DOUBT that this is the finished costume; but even if it is, as long as the performance is strong and the character of the Scarecrow is captured (which let's face it, isn't a stretch; I'm the master of fear, boogideeboo, done, Scarecrow), then we'll all be happy. Batman as least is wearing a costume and they seem to have his character right. Give this movie a chance; remember this: ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN SHUMACHER!
Sorry to be the naysayer here... but it looks kinda crap by TheGinger Twit	Feb 8th, 2005 01:56:49 AM
Dare devil crap. Catwoman crap. I have a bad feeling about this.
any pics of the scarecrow? by cherrycola	Feb 8th, 2005 02:51:50 AM
I can't seem to get a good shot of him. Anyways, if you idiots are judging the movie from a 30 second ad and bitching about LITTLE details then you need to go fuck yourselves. Sorry I could'nt put that more eloquently, but I love batman and have always wanted them to take it back to burton territory. This movie will be a HUGE improvement over the schumacher films. Oh, and I happen to LIKE that last line "does it come in black?". So THERE!!!! DIE HATERS!!!!!!
I'm guessing ThaSithMaster is from the South. by kintar0	Feb 8th, 2005 04:40:02 AM
Because you sure do sound like an ignorant redneck. Listen to Insane Clown Posse much? Could you be any more of a caricuture? How exactly is Singer spitting on Christopher Reeve's Grave? I'll bet you watch a lot of wrestling. You're a sad, pathetic joke. You revel in being a bigot. The gloves are coming off, huh? So, what would you do to Singer if you met him? It sounds like you'd kill him. And how exactly will Singer's "homo agenda" manifest itself in the picture? "Now speak my name again if you want.." You're just a total and complete moron. But I'll bet all the other guys at the Burger King you work at think you're just the coolest.
I apologize... by kintar0	Feb 8th, 2005 04:41:09 AM
to Burger King for implying they'd ever employ someone like ThaSithMaster.
my thoughts on the film... and info on Joe chill by kdog69	Feb 8th, 2005 05:05:42 AM
Goyer made the police catch joe chill to let people know that it wasn't the joker that killed the waynes. that's why he chose to do that in the movie. Also, year two isn't the only case where Joe chill killed the waynes. Before the Dark knights first revamp, Batman found Joe Chill but his own henchmen killed him before he could get to him. Also in Gotham adventures #17(based on the animated series) Joe Chill also killed the waynes but Batman never knew. Joe Chill fell to his death after he found out who Batman was, but batman never knew that he killed his parents. It depends on the continuity. Only in the most recent continuity of the mid 90s has Batman never known who killed his parents. Once again, goyer only wrote Joe Chill into the script to clean up after Burton. There are many things I don't like about what I see about this film and there are many things that I like. I personally have no problem with the car, the suit, the scarcrow(even riding a horse), ninjas(Ras does have them in the comics and in the animated series). I do have a problem with the love intrest, no joker, the opera. On the whole I'm still going to see this opening day and see this movie with my own eyes. Will this movie be better than the other four movies? YES. Will it be better than the animated series? Probably not. Will it be a good movie? Probably. Will it be a good Batman movie? I'll tell you after June 17. Either way, the sequel will probably pull an X2 or Spider-man 2. My 2 1/2 cents
I also must agree that there are many different versions of batm by kdog69	Feb 8th, 2005 05:20:32 AM
depending on what era you read the comics. I'm also not including the else worlds. Also, unless I'm mistaken(it's been awhile since I've read it), Darkknight returns takes place in the 80s in an alternate reality, because regan is president. I could be wrong though. And moviemack... in any part of the film does Batman kill anyone, have a credit card, have bat-nipples, appear to be shorter than a woman, neglect to swing from building to building, or appear at an auction in his bat-suit? Because that's frankly all I'm woried about in this film and I really don't give a shit about anything else you are your little friend Mr Miracle(I still think you two are the same person) have to say about this film. And I personally consider myself a huge Batfan, and not a stupid one just because I don't follow your narrow minded point view. By saying that people should all hate this movie is just as bad as saying that all people should love this movie. Just state your opinion and move on. People don't have to follow it. Grow up.
Moviemack by Mr Chuff	Feb 8th, 2005 05:26:16 AM
You really are some kinda cunt...
Also, to keep things fair... by kdog69	Feb 8th, 2005 05:28:22 AM
I also am sick of non-batfans saying "Who cares if batman doesn't kill". You are obviously not familiar with the Batman character. In no incarnation has Batman killed anyone (even elseworlds except for the Dracula trilogy). At one point in the comics the penguin (a batman villain for all you unbatfans) says when batman is threatening him "you've never killed anyone in your life". Having Batman kill is like having the Punisher not kill. I think this may be a point where me and moviemack may see eye-to-eye.
Also, there is a difinitive Batman movie that was on the big scr by kdog69	Feb 8th, 2005 05:39:01 AM
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Just buy it now. And yes, I do know that I have posted 4 times in a row. I also recommend Batman the animated series Vol. 1 & 2. And for all you Superman fans, that animated series is also out. Unfotunatly I promise you that the movie will not be as good as this... maybe the superman one will be, but not the batman one... but oh well, I could be wrong.
ThaSithMaster by DocPazuzu	Feb 8th, 2005 06:24:21 AM
Thanks for sharing, stumpjumper. If I'm not mistaken, I think I hear your mom calling you home for lunch. By the smell of it, it's your favorite: corn pone with squirrel gravy and steamed ramps.
ThaSithMaster by ScaryJim	Feb 8th, 2005 08:06:11 AM
keep talking dirty i like that . but seriousely i hope singer sees that post and makes a supergayman just for you .
Odd... by Neosamurai85	Feb 8th, 2005 08:58:39 AM
Some guy got deleted a week ago for some vague but un-PC comment about jews... but ThaSithMaster gets to stroke his pink light saber all he wants. I say be gone to you oh rancid ass that speaks! (or in this case types which is a talent worth some props) Fingerbang your mother
I agree with Commando Cody -- this looks better than any previou by Kikstad

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