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Hmmm. by jerkstore	Nov 14th, 2004 11:26:28 AM
I really don't have anything of value to add here.
Ha! I noticed!! by moviemaniac-7	Nov 14th, 2004 11:30:41 AM
But the Merry Pippens joke is one of my favourites, so I don't mind. Funny that the Michael Winterbottom films mentioned are exactly my favourite Michael Winterbottom films and also, incidentely, two of my favourite movies of the past ten years. Even if - and I use the word IF - Nine Songs is pornography, who cares? It's fucking Michael Winterbottom - all-around-genius!
Halo 2 by Fitzcarraldo2	Nov 14th, 2004 11:58:56 AM
"if HALO 2 is half as good as the first HALO, it'll be the greatest game ever made." Ermm, can anyone spot the logical error there?
Halo... by Devz0r	Nov 14th, 2004 12:02:08 PM
... was severely overrated. Surprised at the fuss over the second one.
greatest game of all time? by Dragonfire	Nov 14th, 2004 01:40:16 PM
I don't see how anyone who calls Halo the greatest game of all time could have played more then two games in their life.
Halo 2 Hype by Roderich	Nov 14th, 2004 01:55:52 PM
Even downunder the billion Microsoft $$ for hyping a simple X-box-Ego-shooter seems to brainwash the stupid masses. Money is everything, let Microsoft kill the next market, hurrray!
Yeah, Halo 2 sucks. by Voice O. Reason	Nov 14th, 2004 04:34:06 PM
Even though I haven't played it yet. (Like that ever stopped any of YOU from jumping on an internet bandwagon.)
halo? hahahaaa by SimpsonsQuoteMan	Nov 14th, 2004 05:45:20 PM
Halo 1 was a terrible game, absolutely horrible. It goes without saying that FPSs are utterly unplayable on a console, but even on a PC it was a boring, unimaginative game that lacked any excitement or innovation. I'm still waiting for the Super Graham and the Colonel Bros. platformer.
Priorities by Latauro	Nov 14th, 2004 07:03:05 PM
Michael Winterbottom's Nine Songs has been effectively banned from Australian screens, and the resulting appeal will have a massive impact on the Australian film industry, but by all means let's bitch about Halo 2 and the people who like it.
Priorities by El_Barstardo	Nov 14th, 2004 07:20:41 PM
Lat, no one really gives a shit about you constant tirades against censorship. You crap on about it week after week after week. Fuck nine songs, if he was a filmmaker with any skill he would be able to film it in such a way that there would be no need to censor it. Meanwhile the rest of us talk about Halo 2 because it at least makes this section (which on average gets 5 talkback posts) somewhat interesting.
Halo 2 is a damn fine game, but thats not the point... by belkheldar	Nov 14th, 2004 08:40:43 PM
The guy enjoyed Halo 2, good for him. Personally I prefered Half Life, but who cares which game is better ? More importantly whats with all fuckers with the "mine is better than yours" attitude. Cut the guy some slack and let him enjoy the game without negative banter. Finished Halo 2 the other day, short but thoroughly enjoyable. Bring on Half Life 2. Its good time to be alive and a gamer.
El_Bastardo by raw_bean	Nov 14th, 2004 08:47:10 PM
"Fuck nine songs, if he was a filmmaker with any skill he would be able to film it in such a way that there would be no need to censor it." The point is that Latauro feels he DID film it in such a way that there was no need to censor it, but it was censored anyway. And as for Halo, well, the first one was an overhyped bit of fluff that only console gamers who've never experienced a decent first-person-shooter before could think was anything approaching 'the best game ever', and I doubt the second is any different. And I agree with the guy who said playing FPSs on any console is horrible in comparison to playing them on a PC. You can't play an FPS without a mouse and keyboard any more than you can play a beat-'em-up WITH a mouse and keyboard. And yes, Lat's "if it's half as good as...then it's the best game ever" statement was ludicrously illogical. I thought he was joking with it.
Raw bean by El_Barstardo	Nov 14th, 2004 09:22:20 PM
The problem with your argument is that Lat's opinion that the film should not have been baned holds no wieght because he says that about EVERY controversial film. Seriously, when was the last time you read Lat saying "I felt this film pushed the limit way too far."? I'm sorry but Lat paints Australia like it is some sort of Fasist country when the reality is it simply isn't, as shown by the release of films such as Anatomy of Hell (which frankly if the had have censored / banned I wouldn't have blamed them.)
Counter-Point #1: Halo was a good-looking, but routine FPS, with by FrankDrebin	Nov 14th, 2004 10:02:48 PM
A couple of the gaming magazines published retractions of their rave reviews, once Microsoft's big-dollar hype wore off.
My opinion by Latauro	Nov 14th, 2004 10:08:33 PM
You think I'm railing against censorship because I like those film in particular? You don't think that would be incredibly hypocritical, singling out only the ones I enjoyed? I haven't seen NINE SONGS. I haven't seen IRREVERSIBLE. I haven't seen ANATOMY OF HELL. I have no desire to see KEN PARK (I hate Larry Clark's films). But I respect the rights of others who do wish to see them. At the moment we've got letter writing campaigns and loud voices in the media coming from those who wish these films banned. The reason I write about it is that it keeps happening, and there seems to be no opposing voice, save from the distribution companies. If you're complacent about the growing amount of censorship and banning in Australia, fine. Go online and bitch about someone liking a computer game that you didn't. Spend your time doing that, I'm sure you find it very fulfilling. But some of us do care about the state of films, and we'd like that free choice we keep hearing about. Nine Songs was released in England and society managed to not collapse. Why can't we have the same right to watch it here?
Counter-Point #2: The insertion of real sex (nyuk-nyuk) into mai by FrankDrebin	Nov 14th, 2004 10:10:04 PM
You don't need real sex to make your point any more than you need real murder, real alien invasions, or real Japanese ghost women. We'll test my theory by covering Chris Evans in oil-soaked rags, lighting them on fire, and seeing if he is better able to capture the nuances of Johnny Storm's character.
Didn't DeNiro or Pacino or somebody once tell an interviewer tha by FrankDrebin	Nov 14th, 2004 10:25:49 PM
So the interviewer nervously mentioned that he had also played a murderer. And then there's that famous story about Dustin Hoffman depriving himself of sleep so he could act sleep-deprived in MARATHON MAN, and co-star Laurence Olivier suggested he try "acting" instead. This discussion of whether real sex is necessary to a movie made me think of those quotes.
"You think I'm railing against censorship because I like those f by El_Barstardo	Nov 14th, 2004 10:43:11 PM
I did not say you liked them. I said you don't seem to be opposed to ANYTHING as far as censorship goes. How can you defend these films if you havn't seen them? Anatomy of Hell's 'doctors and nurses' scene was blatant pedophilia disguised as art. The felatio scene at the start was pointless. WHY THE FUCK does a film need to have 'real sex' if it's not porn? I see absolutly no reason for it, apart from it being yet another hack using controversy in place of talent to get exposure.
What is wrong with porn? by Torgol	Nov 14th, 2004 10:48:59 PM

What is wrong with porn? by Torgol	Nov 14th, 2004 10:51:56 PM
have people in Australia gone completely fucking nuts. I thought that it was bad in the US but jesus christ. As long as it doesn't involve the actual fucking of kids, rape, or the insertion into an animal (I don't see what is wrong with jerking one off though) people should be able to watch whatever the fuck they want.
Relevance by Latauro	Nov 14th, 2004 11:09:19 PM
The issue is not whether you think it's important or relevant for the film to contain these scenes. The issue is whether it's worth banning a film over. My point is that my opinion on whether a film is good or not makes not the slightest bit of difference, and neither does yours. Fucking Pokemon is more dangerous to society than Anatomy of Hell. You don't sound like someone who's offended by unsimulated sex in films, but someone who's pissed off I'm not writing about something you find more interesting.
"Fucking Pokemon is more dangerous to society than Anatomy of He by El_Barstardo	Nov 14th, 2004 11:30:22 PM
Oh give me a fucking break. Please explain to me how a cartoon which sells kids some stupid cards is more dangerous than a film that involves a wonderful closeup on a 5 year olds vagina and a wonderfull offensive philosophy about how Gay men are only gay because they hate and fear women. Actually don't bother because you will just miss the entire point like you have been doing so far. If the turkey who made this film didn't want it to get an X rating then why did he put real sex into it? Why shouldn't a film with real sex get an X rating? Your "it's not porn because it doesn't seek to stimulate" argument is fucking rubbish, especially since you havn't even seen the material to judge. But hey, instead of thinking logically keep bitching me out because I don't jump on the anti-censorship bandwagon look all the other good sofisticated art lovers out there.
I just drove through Tamworth, And I was thinking to myself how by TheGinger Twit	Nov 14th, 2004 11:36:55 PM
It's better than America, think of it as American land meets Middle Earth. The boulders out there are phenominal.
G'day La, I'm an Auzzie occa and like everywun else down ere, we by TheGinger Twit	Nov 14th, 2004 11:39:48 PM
Can't wait, seriously.
retroman... by SimpsonsQuoteMan	Nov 15th, 2004 12:17:26 AM
You may be thinking of an interview with Ewan McGregor when he did trainspotting, the interviewer asked if he tried heroin to get into the mindset. Ewan replied "No, of course not. I've had to die on screen before and I didn't try that."
el_bastardo by SimpsonsQuoteMan	Nov 15th, 2004 12:24:34 AM
Uh, no. Pokemon really is a hell of a lot more dangerous to society than what you've described. One is about creating consumer zombies out of children, the others are about the exploration and communication of themes and idea important to humanity.
by Wanton	Nov 15th, 2004 12:34:49 AM
And like ur not a consumer zombie.
consumer zombie children by El_Barstardo	Nov 15th, 2004 12:58:35 AM
Pokemon is no different to He-man, Transformers, Spiderman, Star wars and all of the other shit we watched / read as kids that the wowsers said was bad for us because it made us just want to buy toys. Yeah, lets ban the Spider-man flick cos it sells toys to kiddies, but leave films with graphic scenes of stone dildo insertion alone. Cause you know, stone dildo insertion has important themes.
Tamworth by Thes	Nov 15th, 2004 04:56:02 AM
Hey, I grew up in Tamworth. Pretty cool place for a country town.
"Putting your quote in my subject heading in order to ridicule y by Latauro	Nov 15th, 2004 07:10:15 AM
Adults -- who will, by law, be the only ones allowed to see these films if they get an R18+ rating -- see unsimulated sex, and you're passionate that it should be banned. You know, because sex is so incredibly dangerous. But children are exposed to shows which are designed to make them spend their parents money, and that's fine? Did I say ban Spider-man, or did you? Can you tell the difference between one thing and another? This is the argument of people who simply like getting angry at things. It's a way of venting. At least the guy from the Australian Family Association made some good points! I don't care if you personally are opposed to censorship or if you're for it. But if you're going to have an opinion, try to make it for actual reasons instead of your own desire to finger-point and name-call. All I'm after is some intelligent discussion, and since I'm not getting any from you, El Bastardo, I'm going to bow out of this talkback. It's all yours, mate.
el bastardo by SimpsonsQuoteMan	Nov 15th, 2004 05:33:38 PM
You're right, to a certain degree. Those are ALL things that are destructive to children. However, the second part of your comment is the epitome of what is wrong with the people who want censorship. It's a certain thing, an act, a picture, a goddamn WORD thats offensive and CAN NEVER EVER BE SEEN. Which is utterly ridiculous. You have completely discounted any surrounding messages, themes or ideas that accompanied the stone dildo. Just cause there is a stone dildo doesn't mean that there is no important art there too. And we always say "a stone dildo"...never "your...stone dildo"...
Speaking of games, anyone know how I can extract the music sound by Anlashok	Nov 15th, 2004 09:46:37 PM
I'm a PC gamer, and I'm sure it can be done, anyone?
Interesting talkback... by indio2	Nov 15th, 2004 11:37:20 PM
I enjoyed this weeks talkback and have been following the censorship articles and discussions for many weeks now.....it offers an important sounding board to the site which I've been reading since 1996 when I was at university in the United States.Haven't really joined in before as I' from and in Mexico city. I believe censorship is wrong in all cases, the public should have access to ALL film if a community doesn't support it it will fail and disappear from the market, the FREE market. Freedom of thought is our greatest freedom. And we should have access to all excess inorder to reach a sound judgement as to what is right or wrong for ourselves, our family, our communities, this is only fair in a FREE society. KEEP UP THE COVERAGE, its needed.
Why I am against any form of censorship: by moviemaniac-7	Nov 16th, 2004 10:38:36 AM
It's the simple reason that I won't allow anybody (ANYBODY) to decide what I can or can't see. Yes, in every movie is danger. A few months ago in India a few kids killed themselves, cause they wanted to fly like their favorite action hero of Bollywood cinema. Is this a reason to ban all super hero movies? And Christians seem to hate every movie that seems controversial. Funny thing we have in the western world is a freedom of choice. If you are likely to be offended by a movie: DON'T GO AND SEE IT! I saw Irreversible here in The Netherlands on DVD and liked it, but the first twenty minutes or so are hard to go through. I also saw Baise Moi and Intimacy, but they disappointed. Only the controversy pulled me towards these two movies, but I didn't think much of them. Point is that in censorship, who is going to decide what is good and what is bad? I think it's in people's best interest to choose for themselves, cause letting the state or a government choosing for you smells like fascism. CENSORSHIP SUCKS. And for those who are concerned that little kids see things that aren't appropiate for them: Most kids have - on average - two parental units who should take care of it - and if they can't handle the upbringing of their children, they are LOUSY PARENTS and shouldn't have started with kids in the first place. ------ P.S. I've been backpacking in Australia for 7 months over a year ago and it's one of the greatest countries in the world. If not THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, but please, my dear Australians who might read this, don't let the organizations with there narrow-minded Christian beliefs place censorship on movies that don't fit in their world view.
"HALO 2" is possibly the "funnest" game I've ever played in my l by JDanielP	Nov 16th, 2004 11:32:02 AM
I'm VERY surprised by the negative words posted here about a great game like "HALO 2". It's a blast to play!
When are we finally going to get our "HALO" movie in development by JDanielP	Nov 16th, 2004 11:43:30 AM
I for one would LOVE to see some Master Chief movies ... and if Hollywood is looking for some new blood, I'm your man. (I actually mean that ... but yeah, like THAT will happen.) -- I'd love to see this property get moving with a director with true visionary talent. (...like James Cameron when he did "ALIENS" ... one of my favorite films of all time.)

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