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Visual Comparison - ANTZ & A BUG'S LIFE

Visual Comparison by theWiz	Aug 9th, 1998 05:07:38 AM
Yeah, Harry, we definately are in for a treet. Regarding a visual comparison, they both like very good, yet very different, Antz being a little more intresting, I think, becouse of it's extreme use of style (just check out those eyebrows!) I'll be intrested in what other folks have to say about this. -TheWiz
Antz has 3 advantages by Moby	Aug 9th, 1998 06:24:58 AM
1)it's not from Disney(Disney's mid and late 1990s projects have been unoriginal, bland, stupid, and unrealistic!) 2)it's got better voices: instead of David Hyde Pierce, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, and Kevin Spacey we get Danny Glover, Jane Curtin, Sylvester Stallone, Sharon Stone and star Woody Allen 3)for box office reasons, not quality reasons: it opens a month before A Bug's Life
Looking good x2 by Yodaeater	Aug 9th, 1998 06:28:04 AM
I am a huge CG animation fan, and it is so fantastic to see more and more feature length animations come out of Hollywood. What's cool is the extra emphasis that's placed on the story in these kind of things, to counter-balance the stimga of "having a computer do all the work" One question though, how come two films with same subject pop up at the same time? Kind of a Dante's Peak/Volcano or Deep Impact/Armegeddon thing going on. How come? By the way, I like the look and feel of A Bug's Life better, but I'm a sucker for cute.
Bugs Rules by Marcelo De Polli	Aug 9th, 1998 07:42:11 AM
I haven't seen the Antz' one, but the Bugs' teaser simply blew out my eyeballs. The way the small caterpillar's skin moves... It's unlike anything ever done. Come to think of it, you cannot possibly do this kind of effect with an ant.
The Toy Story Advantage by Mediatwin	Aug 9th, 1998 08:24:00 AM
Great images from ANTZ and A BUG'S LIFE - from the looks of things, ANTZ is skewering for a more mature audience than BUG'S (I don't think they's have Woody Allen on board otherwise) The advantage Disney has that I'm damn sure it'll use to the full is the ability to stick FROM THE MAKERS OF TOY STORY...all over its ad campaign. It wouldn't surprise me if it starts running ads before ANTZ opens, to get kids to bypass it and wait for BUGS. Oh Harry - love the new site layout. Just lose the s**t brown colour!!
Bug's Life vs. Antz by JackVincennes	Aug 9th, 1998 08:43:16 AM
You're trying to tell me that having the vocal "talent" of Sly Stalone and Sharon Stone is a bonus? I'd take one good rant from Spacey and Leary each over a whole movie of Woody Allen playing the same character(in ant form)... for the 100th time.
battle of the cgi movies by Link	Aug 9th, 1998 09:44:46 AM
see, i'm a little torn between these two. i have to admit that i do like the way bug's life looks a little more in comparison to antz. basically, i don't like the way the ants themselves look... i think maybe their eyes are too big for me. or maybe i'm just being picky. mostly, i'm just happy that there are three (3) major animation projects coming our way this fall. it's about time!!!
ANTZ vs. A Bug's Life by sergeim	Aug 9th, 1998 09:49:40 AM
I think the ants are given a bit more character in ANTZ. In ANTZ, the ant falls in love and he has to go to war, those things happen to real people. In A Bug's Life, everything is completely different. I want to find one person who has ever wanted to go on a mission to find circus bugs to fight against grasshoppers. Of course not. The one advantage A Bug's Life has over ANTZ is Kevin Spacey, he is soo cooooool. He makes the perfect bad guy. Also, I think the graphics are better in ANTZ then they are in A Bug's Life, especially the face expressions. Oh, yeah, the new site looks great!
There's room for both! by FilmNut	Aug 9th, 1998 10:00:10 AM
Here we go again... Last year it was the battle of the volcano movies with "Dante's Peak" and "Volcano" duking it out. Then, this past summer it was a testosterone fest at the box office betweem "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon." Now, we have two movies about insects. Which to see? Well, it's the same conclusion as the previous ones. See both! Why not? Look at this summer's box office receipts between "Impact" and "Armageddon." They both grossed over $100 million and "Armageddon" may go on to receive $200 million. "Volcano" didn't do well because it sucked! There is room for both of these movies, and there's no reason to pick between them. The casts in both are outstanding for an animated film and the animation is also incredible. (Some say "Antz" looks cheesier, but it's just a different style. Something new, something different? Something you've never seen before? That's refreshing nowadays when all you really see is rehases, remakes, and sequels. "Antz" and "A Bug's Life" are both at the top of my fall list. By the way, I'll take this opportunity now to plug MY web page. http://members.aol.com/filmnut 44/index.html Keep it up Harry! Your page kicks ass!
Better Bugs? by jacob	Aug 9th, 1998 10:17:00 AM
Based on the pics alone, I'll go with Bugs over Antz. I saw the Antz trailer and it just didn't do much for me -- there seems to be a real lack of detail in the insects' faces.
comparison? by god of thunder	Aug 9th, 1998 10:20:44 AM
I really think the script will be the deciding factor regarding which one is the best. They both look amazing visually, but for me - as a huuuuuge Woody Allen fan - I have to put ANTZ on top of my list. Don't know abot Stone & Stallone, though... Great new layout on the site, Harry, but loose the brown color.....please!
Compare by ethank	Aug 9th, 1998 10:24:28 AM
Antz to me seems to be going for the photo realism in the background more than Bugs Life. I remember when Toy Story came out, the Pixar guys said they weren't trying to replicate reality, but going for hyper reality. If you look at a lot of Toy Story, things are not aged and very clean. Bugs Life seems to have this clean look to it while Antz has a dirty, more gritty look. I met a guy from PDI at Siggraph and we had a lengthy talk about Antz. Antz was targetted for PG-13 by MPAA but got PG because they cut some language. In his words, "Bugs Life is for the 3-7 year old. We're 10-18, a step above Bugs." I personally can't wait for both.
Miscellania by Woland	Aug 9th, 1998 10:28:36 AM
Animation: both of these films are going to break new ground for CG animation. The folk at Pixar and PDI should be very proud of themselves for creating two very impressive works of art. Subject: Bug's Life, for the person who said the story wasn't "real" enough, is another re-make of the Seven Samuri-one of the best stories ever put on celluloid. Will it upstage the Magnificient Seven? We'll see... :) Duling Concepts: I'm not sure who had the idea of using bugs in delveopment first, but the actual storylines are _vastly_ different. Existential crisis vs. evil grasshoppers? In many ways I think the use of bugs is more related to the fact that it's still easier to model and render a hard exoskelletion vs a furry bear. Why do you think it wasn't "Stuffed Toy Story"? Unlike most Hollywood film moves (Deep Impact/Armageddon) I really don't think this was an example of Dreamworks and Disney fighting over concepts. I'm just nieve enough to belive it was a conicidence. :)
Antz Vs. Bugs Life by Brady	Aug 9th, 1998 11:10:05 AM
Both Antz and A Bug's Life look great to me, but I believe A Bug's Life will be the big winner. For one, it has Disney on its side. Nobody can beat their promotional push----heck, there's ALREADY a theme park attraction based on A Bug's Life over at Disney's Animal Kingdom in Florida. A Bug's Life also has a wide variety of bugs---like the ladybug, caterpillar, walking stick, etc., which I think audiences will like. It is just my opinon, but I like the character designs in A Bug's Life more than the characters in Antz. I can already imagine great merchandise for Flit and the Bugs Life characters. The cast of ABL sounds great! David Hyde Pierce is a favorite of mine, as is Kevin Spacey. Dennis Leary as a ladybug is hilarious! I do hope both films do well.
ANTZ/BUGS LIFE by jeff	Aug 9th, 1998 11:17:43 AM
Regardless of how they 'look', I think you can count on John Lasseter to have a fantastic production and story.
A Bug Life vs. Antz by Alex	Aug 9th, 1998 01:22:39 PM
I think that whomever edited the Trailer for Antz should be shot. It's terribly uncompelling and mundane. It looks to be the computer animated version of a story that I've seen 1000 times. The trailer for A Bugs Life, However, is funny, lush, and makes me drool over the thought of seeing another Pixar movie. One of Pixar's strengths is that they write on so many different levels -- humor for children as well as subtle references for adults. I know that I was laughing more during Toy Story than every kid around me. I just hope that Antz triumphs over its abyssmal trailer.
A Bug's Life by Matt	Aug 9th, 1998 01:24:23 PM
I would choose ABL over ANTZ anyday. CHARACTER DESIGN: ABL- Good, well done. They have the cool magical feelin to em. Antz- The characters are ugly, though I will give them that they are detailed well. VOICE CAST This never really matters to me, it's just that that the voice should go with the character (This was a problem in Anastasia), ABL does that, ANTZ doesn't. OTHER ABL- It just looks better. Antz- It just looks bad.
why 2 bug films at the same time by Tom	Aug 9th, 1998 01:42:46 PM
Going back in time, about when these two films would have been in the gestative-creative idea stage, James and the Giant Peach was released, and featured bugs as characters. Also, state of the art in CGI isn't up to humans yet, so bugs are a step away- but with human like characters in simpler physical forms. Just like toys lend themselves to characters with simplistic physical representations. There will be more manifestations on the CGI evolution, leading up to acceptable human faces and bodies.
Yegh by metal	Aug 9th, 1998 02:13:59 PM
Who cares which has the better Style/animation/detail. They're both coming from realyl awesome animation houses, and they'll both kick ass (but I think Bugs has better atmospher :P). I'll definately go see both, mostly for the animation, and like I said, they'll both kick ass, so there's so reason to compare em :P
antz' crass marketing by raquel	Aug 9th, 1998 02:23:59 PM
while both movies promise to be fascinating to look at, my first reaction when i saw the antz trailer (which i'd been looking forward to for a long time) was that i was pissed off. an image i keep seeing over and over again is the one of the ant next to the big mountain dew can. that is just incredibly crass. i notice when a character in a movie casually picks up a brand name soda or beer but doesn't mantion it, and it annoys me a little because i know it's there on purpose to serve as advertising for that company, but i let it slide because it's fairly unobtrusive. but to have a gigantic technicolor animated mountain dew can the entire height of the screen ON the screen for a significant amount of time playing a role in a particular scene is just way too much for me. in fact, it's made me not even want to see the damn movie it ticked me off so much. it makes me feel like they think we're just idiots who don't realize what they're doing, or who will mistake marketing hype for an actual movie. that trailer left me feeling insulted. maybe better trailers not including the offensive scene will make me change my mind. we'll see. otherwise, for now the only one i want to see is ABL.
ANTZ ZTUFF by Animator	Aug 9th, 1998 02:53:55 PM
I think both films will do well, but I dont think the PG rating will have anything to do with it. Kiddies will go and be taken to Antz despite its rating, only because it is animated. I think anyone with any negative comments to say about Pixars style (ie, "I want to see something new and refreshing") are just being terribly dull. None of it is new and refreshing in either film, it has all been done before in one way or another. Personally I think Pixar has proved itself time and time again and have no doubt ABL will be the better film. I think everyone knows this and is just living in denial if you dont. I think that was probably the most opinionated thing I have posted here but I dont mind. I only ever really post about Animated films because they are the only thing I know anything about. Love and Peace
Antz vs. A Bug's Life by afso	Aug 9th, 1998 03:37:04 PM
I'd rather see Antz than ABL. The animation and story seems a lot better. Also, I didn't like Toy Story that much, so I am looking forward to seeing how Antz will do. Disney movies have been going way downhill in the past few years.
Bug's Life has my vote! by ryan	Aug 9th, 1998 03:37:32 PM
A Bug's Life looks much more interesting than Antz. You almost need a flashlight to look at the Antz images! Antz is heading down the same road as Small Soldiers. Dreamworks is going to wish they had waited awhile to release Antz once A Bug's Life gets the rave reviews and the critics are struggling to find something positive to say about Antz. A Bug's Life is going to squash every poorly computer generated Dreamworks Ant in sight!
Antz/ABL backround "graphics" by Brad Brown	Aug 9th, 1998 03:59:58 PM
From what i've read, those highly detailed shots of the Ant city from Antz are -not- fully CG rendered. Much of the backround detail in Antz is either comped paintings or physical model work(like the 5th element?). So Antz is really more of a CG/traditional/stop-motion hybrid while ABL is fully 3D CG world. It will be interesting to see them completed side by side.
Geeks These Days..... by Johnny Bravo	Aug 9th, 1998 04:37:53 PM
BE QUIET THE MOST OF YA'S! NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN RELEASE YET AND YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AND CONTRASTING. IT'S NOT ONLY FUNNY TO ME, BUT NOT FUNNY! GET IT?
Entemology by Brian	Aug 9th, 1998 04:44:22 PM
Personally, I'm looking forward to Antz more than A Bug's Life. ABL is just a retelling (although a very good looking retelling) of Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven. And I'll probably go see it anyway. Both movies seem to have very good graphics; ABL is more cartoony and going for the comedy aspect; the graphics in Antz sets a mood for the story. Both look terrific to me. One thing that I like (from both movies) is the voice talents. With ABL you have three great voices: Kevin Spacey, David Hyde Pierce, and best of all Denis Leary. But I can't wait to hear Gene Hackman as the general in Antz!! I mean, that's the voice of Lex Luthor and Popeye Doyle fer cryin' out loud! Then it's also got Danny Glover and Sly Stallone (a very recognizable voice). Not to mention Woody Allen. Now I'm not a great fan of Woody's,but I do think he's the best actor there is at playing the "Woody Allen" character. Personally, I think most of his movies suck. But ya gotta remember, this isn't a Woody Allen movie, it's a movie with Woody Allen in it. He didn't write it or direct it. If it were up to me, I would make one movie and put Spacey, Hackman, Glover, Leary, Pierce, and Woody all in one bug movie and make it the best. But instead we're getting two very good bug movies.
The insect pics by ryan	Aug 9th, 1998 07:05:58 PM
Though I think I would personally prefer (based on the trailers) the darker, grittier Antz, it seems to me that Disney's entry has a supreme advantage. This advantage is based entirely on the prospective markets for the two films. Antz is a film for the more mature (note Woody Allen's presence and the tone of the art direction visible in the trailer), comparable to Small Soldiers (another Dreamworks film). Now, compare the box-office reception of Bug's Life closest predecessor, Toy Story (the highest grossing film of 1995), to Small Soldiers (this summer's flop), and the outcome of this year's bug battle seems rather obvious.
Don't be silly. A Bug's Life will be WAAYYYY BETTER! by John McLame	Aug 9th, 1998 07:23:57 PM
I've seen the trailers for both. And I've seen Toy Story, & I have no doubt in my mind that A Bug's Life will be better artistically, & will be an instant classic. ANtz looks good too, but it's Dreamworks, & so far, they're no Pixar. ANyone think Small Soldiers, Deep Impact, or Peacemaker were any good? Blech! THe only good thing from SKG so far has been the stuff Spielberg directs. OH god, let's not even bring up the Invasion America shamefulness.
They both look great by Bryan	Aug 9th, 1998 08:25:15 PM
I will definitely be seeing both at least once. I tend to go back and forth on which one I am most excited about depending on which one I have most recently seen the trailer for. Right now I'm leaning toward A Bug's Life since I saw the mall tour and was able to witness some shots of the circus. I'm glad Antz is coming out first, for two reasons: 1) I hate seeing Disney crush rival studios. There need to be more studios creating financially successful features in order for there to be more diversity, so I want PDI to be successful. 2) Pixar has a better track record behind it, being that Toy Story is such a masterpiece, and if A Bug's Life is indeed the better one, I want to see it second.
voices by Kid Sparkle	Aug 9th, 1998 09:17:30 PM
must agree with andrew dignan...spacey is a much bigger draw for me than allen. plus i adore David Hyde Pierce and Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Sharon Stone and Sly an advantage? hmmmm....nah....
Antz by scott	Aug 9th, 1998 09:27:23 PM
Is it me or do these Ants look very similar to the Ant Like Aliens that attacted earth in the old Outer Limits show.......Spooky I tell ya
come on! see 'em both! LOVE 'em both! by quister	Aug 9th, 1998 09:32:36 PM
The comments I have read so far about one film obliterating the other at the box office are a bit discouraging... what we're gonna be seeing (several times each ; ) in October and November will BOTH showcase some groundbreaking CG work unlike anything we have seen before. To the folks who have already made up their minds about which will be better by watching trailers... open your minds a little! I am thoroughly looking forward to A Bugs Life... the voice talents and the fluidity of the character design and animation have me drooling already. ...But, take a look at the subject matter and character designs in ANTZ... I am so excited that there is finally a masterfully done animated feature that's not aiming itself at the kindergarten crowd! The look of this film is like nothing I have ever seen before and it will most certainly win points in my book for originality (something that is pretty rare in hollywood these days). Each film has a completely different story and target audience and the 'look' of them that people have been loving or hating, reflect that mood and story, and from what I can tell, they do it very well. Yes, the designs in ABL are 'simpler', but the story appears to be much more cartoony and light-hearted. Likewise, the mood of ANTZ is a bit darker and certainly on the existential side, and the character designs and lighting communicate that. Let's all hope that both of these films make HUGE dollars so show studios that these type of projects are worth financing! I wanna see LOTS more of this kind of stuff in the future!
trailers by The JAS man	Aug 10th, 1998 12:38:33 AM
I, for one, will never again make the mistake of making up my mind about seeing a movie based entirely on the trailers. After all, the trailers made "The English Patient" look like an exciting film! There were 45 interesting seconds in that 3-hour movie and they put them all in the trailer. I'm glad I saw that movie because I needed the sleep. Anyway, the point is that you can critique the trailers and look at preview pics till you're blue in the face, but you won't really know until you see the movies.
Harry says... by Harry Knowles	Aug 10th, 1998 01:13:41 AM
First off, for all of you that keep harping on ANTZ because of (Woody Allen, Stallone, Sharon) and praising A BUG'S LIFE for (Julia-Louis, Leary, K. Spacey, David Hyde Pierce) well... ANTZ also has... Gene Hackman, Danny Glover, Christopher Walken, Dan Akyroyd, Jane Curtin... Everyone talks about A BUG'S LIFE and MAGNIFICIENT SEVEN, well ANTZ is basically SPARTACUS mixed with LOGAN'S RUN. Y'all talk about the different types of bugs in A BUG'S LIFE, but what you don't know is the last third of ANTZ that takes place in and around INSECTOPIA. (P.S. there are more than ants) But DREAMWORKS is keeping a tight lid on those designs because they want them to shock the hell out of you. Basically what it comes down to is this... Both movies will be great. They are testing extremely high, with audiences coming out of ANTZ shocked at how adult it is, rumor has it, that the film almost got a PG 13, except some language was modified. We will see two great movies, that are about TOTALLY DIFFERENT things. ANTZ is more of an epic, while A BUG'S LIFE will be a fable. Personally I love epics and I love fables. SO for me, I can't go wrong! Harry
response by Usiel	Aug 10th, 1998 05:01:00 AM
What? Not really in response to this post, but to the earlier Antz postings.. Man, Disney has rotoscoped just about everything since "Snow White". I've had a lot of profs who've had Disney experience. Just defending my stance.
Lotta Talk About Nothin' by dave	Aug 10th, 1998 07:33:53 AM
Everyone seems to be getting upset about a couple of movies that are not even in theatres yet...just goes to show how much people love to create a controversy where none exists! For those of you who, like me, had not yet seen any animated preview of A Bug's Life yet, rent or buy The Black Cauldron. Disney stuck a quick look at in the front. It looks quite a bit better than Toy Story did! CGI has come far! :)
A Bugs Life for me..... by Joe	Aug 10th, 1998 07:52:05 AM
A Bugs Life looks very nicely animated, but AntZ character design drives me nuts I could not go through a movie (AntZ) w/ such ugly characters! A Bugs Life will fair better at the box office because it has the Disney logo, and because of Pixar's Toy Story success. Animation Box Office Predictions: Summer 98-Summer 99 1. A Bugs Life $170m 2. Tarzan $140m 3. Mulan $122m 4. Rugrats $110m 5. Prince of Egypt $85m 6. AntZ $54m 7. Beauty and the Beast: Special Edition $30m
Antz looks MUCH better by Mrenton	Aug 10th, 1998 08:24:52 AM
The Antz picures look a lot better than A Bugs Life and the trailer is 10 X better.
Antz by truth	Aug 10th, 1998 09:35:41 AM
Antz will kill Bugs because the face of the main character looks like ET.But it doesn't matter.The Prince of Egypt will kill both films.It will be the crowning achievement in animation.And no one (in the 90's) can beat Jeffrey Katzenberg.He has never failed.
Further review from an Antz Screener by jalapeno	Aug 10th, 1998 09:36:29 AM
Having seen and enjoyed Antz at the first screening, I can vouch the colors of the Antz are 'drab.' There is good reason for this however. I remember that the colors in the movie crept in with the theme of freedom within and from the colony. The idea of worker oppression parallels this color bleakness. When Z (Allen) and The Princess (Stone) escape their world of patterns and dirt, their newfound freedom is meant to inspire the two with the radical change of setting. It does. Unimaginable colors and transparencies are used during their adventure to and arrival at Insectopia. What would an Ant make of an invisible barrier keeping him from peanut butter and jelly sandwich? How would you illustrate the elasticity of the baggy? You will see. I have not seen A Bugs Life but if you check out the trailer, (Check out the Antz or A Bugs Life Trailers at http://www.movie-page.com/a-h. htm ,) you will see that the ants in that movie appear to have a poorly shaded blue-hue, and have poor articulation compared to that of the Antz. The visual strength of Antz during the 'drab' stages of the film lies in scenes featuring a hundred or more antz working independently in their construction of the colony. One word: Wreaking Ball. (Oops, did I spoil you?) The strength then is transferred to the colors. The Wasps for instance are some of the most bright and tantalizing insects in the movie. Looking forward to both the films, I suggest you don't worry about the drabness, and worry more about getting tickets on the opening days. To see my original review of the Premier Screener of Antz on Ain't It Cool News, check out: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.c om/display.cgi?id=1199
Just a minute.... by Loyd	Aug 10th, 1998 11:47:38 AM
For those who are making statements that they have no doubt Bugs Life will be the better film due to "Toy Story," they are forgetting Jeffery Katzenberg oversaw "Toy Story" while he was still at Disney. Not to take away anything from anyone at Pixar, but Katzenberg's input into animated movies is without equal. Just look at Disney animated films since he left (Pocohontas on). Jeffery sent much of "Toy Story" back to the drawing board to get it right. I think both films will be fantastic, but let's not jump to any conclusions yet, ok kids?
Antz n' Bug's Life by Leviathan	Aug 10th, 1998 01:47:42 PM
Two names have me very excited about Antz: Woody Allen and Christopher Walken. These are two voice that don't require the actor in order to...act. Their voice talents are astoundingly expressionistic and will lend a great deal of class to the project. A Bug's Life has a phenomenal talent in it's cast, Kevin Spacey, but half the magic of a Spacey performance is watching him. Severing his voice will only provide a portion of Spacey's screen prowress. Walken and Allen's voices can completely function on their own. And I have a feeling that while Antz will entertain children, it will also have another level of action and story that will appeal to this 22-year-old. Bug's Life looks like it's aimed straight for kids...which isn't bad, but it ignores half the audience.
Antz by truth	Aug 10th, 1998 01:49:06 PM
Saying Jeffrey Katzenberg isn't great is saying George Lucas isn't the sci fi god people say he is.You haven't seen both of their works since they've retired for awhile.Katzenberg's work will be Poe in Dec.George's work will be may of 1999.They both are great.As you'll see.I can't tell which is better Antz or Bug's Life.I'm saying antz because its about ants.But one of them will come out on top.I just don't know who
Antz: one little problem by Krazy Kat	Aug 10th, 1998 01:50:08 PM
Alrighty, I myself am an animator. But I'm purly traditional in that field. I've never touched an animation program. Now, with Antz. The textures may be good, but I looked at the trailer, and even though it was a little box, I could clearly see animationwise, it was stiff. I dunno if you can call this a visuall comparison or a motion comparison, but Antz is a bit stiff. Texture Shmexture, I say. A common problem with PDI.
Go see "Geri's Game"!! by Bruin	Aug 10th, 1998 02:26:47 PM
Anyone claiming that ABL can't possibly have the range of character expressions, etc. that Antz does should see "Geri's Game" ASAP. This computer-generated short won the Academy Award and every time I see it I marvel at the range of expressions that Geri shows. An actress whom I showed it to was shocked at how good the "acting" was. In some cases it's better than real actors. Pixar will pull it off and ABL will sweep Antz away, both financially and critically...
A Bug's Life we can trust by We will not take our kids to Antz	Aug 10th, 1998 02:54:48 PM
When taking kids to a movie you have to have a level of trust in what you will see. Based on the spooky-looking Antz images, word of the violence and language - that is supposedly being cleaned up - we will not take our children to Antz. We will gladly all go to A Bug's Life.
ANTZ and BUGS Box Office Predictions by Mr Complaint	Aug 10th, 1998 03:47:03 PM
Ok, here's the dirt on the two competing bug movies that really matters. THE MONEY. ANTZ is going to be the loser on this one. 2 reasons. It's coming out in October AND A Bug's Life is a Disney release. All predictions are for domestic gross ANTZ- This is not going to go anywhere, people! 60 million TOPS. A Bug's Life- I saw a trailer for this and it looks dumb as hell. BUT, Disney squeezed 90 million out of the dumb as hell FLUBBER, so I think A Bug's Story or whatever it is will do around 120-140 million. Anyway, you'll say I am wrong now, but after I turn out to be RIGHT we'll see who's laughing.
ADVANTAGE: MOUSE by COPYRIGHT	Aug 10th, 1998 04:34:42 PM
Harry, big Harry, what can I say In the words of Clint you have made my day These images really tell the tale of the tape Eisner's got the upper hand: Antz gets crushed like a grape Furthermore of both trailers I've seen "Bugs" is delicious with a real pro sheen Antz looks choppy -- it doesn't do much with its voices (Sharon, Woody, Sly and such). On the other hand "Bugs" makes my heart quite racey And how bout that villain? (Voice: Kevin Spacey!) And let's not forget Lassiter (I'll call him John) His Toy Story work couldn't have been more on! Katz just wishes he still was at Dis Making cool toons was a forte of his Now he's stuck with Steven, Dave and the gang Private Ryan excepted, good films aren't their thang. The P'maker blew, Impact was a flop Moushunt served up cinematic slop And "Egypt,"--Guys, is this all you've got? What jackass told you the Bible was hot?
Antz & Bugs.. by Kelvington	Aug 10th, 1998 06:28:38 PM
I think that Antz looks more stylized and harder. Whereas Bugs looks more like the Muppets in CG. The softer look of Bugs will probably make it "seem" like a better film. It's like food, if it doesn't look that fun to eat you won't enjoy it as much. And I'll say it now, and it won't be popular, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that there are parents that won't take their "kids" to a film that has Woody Allen in it, considering his past. I will also bet that Rosie O'donnell, who "hates" Woody Allen, will bad mouth the film or plug the hell out of Bugs, to spite him. Take Care, Rick Kelvington
Bugs VS. Antz by cookiewise	Aug 10th, 1998 11:42:22 PM
Based simply on the trailers and bits and pieces that have sprouted up (and NOT on the stories, which everyone hopes will be great), "Bugs" is MUCH more appealing. "Antz" may be striving for a more "adult" audience, but if "Toy Story" was any hint, "Bugs" should have that market sewn up, too!!!
Just Be Glad! by Pierre	Aug 11th, 1998 06:28:53 AM
Instead of putting these two films up against each other in some kind of showdown just be glad that two great companys are making what I believe are going to be two great films. :-) P.S. I agree about one thing though....lose the puke brown bg.
Antz look like ETz by Nihilon	Aug 11th, 1998 06:39:26 AM
The whole time watching this movie i'll be waiting for Woody Allen to say 'ET Phone Home'
Hey Usiel... by fig	Aug 11th, 1998 07:38:56 AM
Just checked with a supervising animator at Disney, and he said that although the realistic human leads in the early Disney films were rotoed to some degree, he didn't think they were traced like Fleischer's characters. Disney uses live-action footage so the animators can get an idea of how the character might move (a little more strictly in Pocahontas than in other recent Disney films), but most animators just flip thru the footage for reference then put it away. Not trying to say you're wrong, just trying to get us all learning here...
Apples and oranges? by jacob	Aug 11th, 1998 09:04:10 AM
To the brain trust who said we can't compare these movies because they're so different, I point out that they're both computer animated movies about insects. Sounds like apples and apples to me.
bugs life, hands down by Dik	Aug 11th, 1998 09:24:22 AM
I'm sure you have seen the trailer for Antz. from a technical standpoint, the animation is really rigid and lacks a lot of life. the facial animation people have been raving about, sucks. if you want facial schooling, watch Dragonheart again. or flag down a copy of DreamWorks's original test for "Shrek". that stuff kicks ass. Bug's life is already going to benefit from the writing before the images even get touched. Andrew Stanton is an incredibly talented story man. it's a bug's life for me.
Credit where credit is due... by fig	Aug 11th, 1998 01:34:03 PM
Some of y'all are giving Katzenberg more credit than he deserves on Toy Story, John Lasseter was the real driving force behind that film, not Katzenberg. Pixar operates fairly independently from the mouse, and has a history of GREAT storytelling. Oh, and to Parents, you're not supposed to be taking your under-12 kids to Antz, it's not a kiddie film if you hadn't already realized. And to whoever it was that said they're both CG films about insects so they're the same, you're right, and Saving Private Ryan and McHale's Navy were both films about guys in the military. I personally can't wait for either film, I think they're both going to be entertaining in their own way and will hopefully open the market up for more animated features...
Pixar is a decent company, but... by Moby	Aug 11th, 1998 05:48:27 PM
...Toy Story wasn't very funny, IMHO. Two of my least favorite movies I've ever seen are Pocahontas and Hunchback(only movie I've ever walked out of in history). They've got terribly unrealistic animation, annoying music, inappropriate sex, boring storylines, and lame humorless sidekicks. Granted Disney has improved a bit, but A Bug's Life looks simple. Anyone who thinks it will outgross Antz needs to get new glasses. Antz arrives OCTOBER 3rd. Against a violent action sci-fi movie in the exact same future as Blade Runner. It has no competition and animated movies got legs(look at Mulan and Anastasia). Antz will have grossed more than $60 million before November starts(you guys predicted that to be it's final take).
Oh, how the 'truth' hurts! by Tape Hound	Aug 11th, 1998 07:44:05 PM
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CG animation humans by Kyrn	Aug 12th, 1998 01:49:31 AM
What do you mean, CG isn't up to animating humans yet? Have you seen any of the animation from Squaresoft games?? They're amazing. I saw a video from FF8, IT WAS INCREDIBLE. the human characters don't look fake at all. THEY'RE MAKING ALL FULL LENGTH THREATRICAL FINAL FANTSAY MOVIE LIKE THAT. I have GOT to see that. and on to the other debate: I think ANTZ look kewler (I keep spelling this address wrong....) to ME. It has style! Where as BUGS is just cute. It loks like a lot more work was put into the characters in ants. The difference betwwen the animation in say Miyazaki (more realistical human like) and Disney (comically exagerated). I might get to see Kiki on saturday. Yahooooooo!!!!
CGInsects by Brian	Aug 12th, 1998 04:45:35 AM
Hmmm Without wishing to demean either film as both look a lot of fun (one of my first, but not only, criteria in deciding to go see a film) there's alread a fun CGI insect (Well, insectoid, or Insectivorid if you're a Micronauts fan) in existence (And I don't mean Wally B) Has anyone out there seen the CGI series Insektors? Not the rather twee sounding Canadian dub, but the gloriously sarcastic UK version, loaded with regional accents, dialects and throwaway remarks that wouldn't be out of place on a far "older" show? Where else are you going to see a butterfly girl telling a beetle boy not to "go all Schwarzenegger" on her. Surreal, wicked and fun. Just a passing thought Cheers
CG Humans? Don't think so... by fig	Aug 12th, 1998 08:58:16 AM
Yes, I have seen the FF8 video clips, and yes, they look really cool, but if you don't think the human characters look fake then I'd love to sample some of what you're smoking. They look really good and move fairly well, but in no way are they anything near photoreal. We can't accurately represent all the subtleties of human movement and expression to create a completely realistic human yet, that's why we've got CG films about stylized things like bugs and toys. As far as work being put into the characters, I'm sure we'll see some really interesting characters in A Bug's Life too (like Dennis Leary as a ladybug), we just haven't had it all spelled out in the trailer for us yet like the last Antz trailer did. I think Antz may have more emotion conveyed in the facial animation while we'll see better posing, staging, anticipation, etc. from the characters in A Bug's Life.
Harry---make us a poll, please! by Moby	Aug 13th, 1998 03:26:10 PM
You get alot of visitors. Ask us which we prefer(Antz or A Bug's Life)! Another good idea for a poll is this: what is the absolute best movie you saw this summer?
My vote for A bug by Yana	Aug 13th, 1998 04:25:44 PM
I simply like more A Bug
ROTFL... by fig	Aug 14th, 1998 08:19:47 AM
That was hillarious :) And Truth, what makes things like Peanuts popular isn't the art, it's the characters. Please drop your delusion that A Bug's Life is a Disney film (it is in name only) and realize that Pixar has a history of great characters and storytelling. I'm planning to go see Antz, A Bug's Life, and PoE because I want to to see animation period, and hopefully these films will open up the market for more in the future...
Fools! by Knabitic	Aug 14th, 1998 09:32:20 PM
Maybe I'm a bit late in talking back and no one will read this, but do you what it means that Antz is coming out before A Bug's Life? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! If I remember correctly, Babe kicked Gordy's ass, financially and critically, even though Babe came out months later. When it comes to "kids" movies, dates don't matter at all, quality does. Boo-yah!
I know who we be... by truth	Aug 25th, 1998 12:22:39 AM
...and POE will be DOA.
Pectorals & Tear Ducts?!?!? WHo cares.... by me	Aug 28th, 1998 11:19:27 AM
Disney has decades & decades of GREAT (yes....it is great animation, TRUTH, tear ducts or not...& i dunno wut ur talkin bout with the pecs!...Triton...Zeus...Aladdi n) animation behind them & a great man....definitely NOT over rated. Disney movies are not kiddie movies......BARNEY was a kiddie movie....Disney movies (at least the animated ones) are made for the child in every one....& in my opinion......are some of the best movies because animation is a fantastic medium that can tell a story without boundaries...& it doesn't have to be realistic (nor should it) to tap ur imagination...LONG LIVE DISNEY.....PS I am not against Dreamworks I am just against people bad mouthing Disney in Dreamworks' favor.....sorry i know this was kinda long...
One more thing, truth by me	Aug 28th, 1998 11:30:57 AM
R u saying that wen Katz was at Disney.....he turned out crap (Beauty & the Beast, etc.) & now....jus because he's at Dreamworks.....he turns out quality animation (oh....Belle by the way had tear ducts & so did Beast when he became the prince....as did the lions in The Lion King)?
You are correct, Sir. by Wolfpack	May 19th, 2006 07:28:18 AM

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