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AICN EXCLUSIVE!! Moriarty's Been To JURASSIC PARK 4 And Returns To Tell The Tale!!

Roger Ebert once compared reading a script for an unreleased fil by xavier masterson	Aug 17th, 2004 04:24:59 AM
Um, I just wanted to read about dinosaurs.
good god by RogueScribner	Aug 17th, 2004 04:25:35 AM
Sounds great!
first by howdyadam	Aug 17th, 2004 04:27:38 AM
that's fucked
He has a point... by Eugene O	Aug 17th, 2004 04:27:56 AM
You guys DO get a lot of content for this site from materials you aren't supposed to have, see, or talk about (that is, the owners of the material don't want any publicity for them yet). But I don't care about that. But you know, besides Poland, a LARGE NUMBER of your own readers seem to hate Harry & you boys. The talkbacks are full of mini-Polands. Just an observation.
Wow... by rogerconnery	Aug 17th, 2004 04:28:12 AM
I buy it. And I am numero Uno.
First! At long fucking last. Sounds mental. by Jimbo TFU	Aug 17th, 2004 04:29:14 AM
After the ''bigger than a t-rex'' spinosaurus of JP3, I always used to joke with my friends that the next Jurassic Park would have to feature special mecha-dinosaurs that shoot lasers from the eyes for anyone to be impressed. Who would've thought I would've been right? Like the idea of finding the shaving foam can... it could be good, could be awful...or this could all be bollocks.
WTF????!!!! by castaway	Aug 17th, 2004 04:36:42 AM
I'm about ready to declare this as a joke much like the Catwoman suit this year. One thing is for damn sure if they made this script, the movie would be rated MFO for mostly fucking original (so watch yo mutha fuckin' back). At the end of the day, I'm sorry. Part of me agrees with this (that part of me that liked Howard the Duck and Carnosaur) and the other part of me disagrees (that whole awe-inspiring aspest from the first movie). I'll go out to see it but they might as well name it something else because it is about ten billion light years from the title of Jurassic Park. In closing I have 2 words to end on.......THEODORE REX! Does that mean anything to anyone? How about Teenage Mutant Ninja Dinos. Does that work???
Seems like the new script goes off in a GREMLINS 2 direction... by Eugene O	Aug 17th, 2004 04:40:04 AM
Which ain't a bad thing, since GREMLINS 2 was pretty wacky & entertaining. Illegally obtained script or not--nice work!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Dinosaurs by Jimbo TFU	Aug 17th, 2004 04:42:54 AM
Gagh...nearly first, but not quite. There's always something quietly tragic about someone saying they're first when they're not... Like that scene in Happy Days when Al is excited because he thinks he's going on a date and the woman cancels at the last minute. On a more cheery note, I hope they don't give the dinosaur mutants the ability to talk. Actually, fuck it - why not? There's no credibility left in the franchise anyway. Might as well create the opportunity of selling slightly more expensive toys. And I bet their delivery will be better than Goldblum, crazy bumbling fucknut that he is. ''Cowabunga''.
The merchandise, the merchandise!!! by xavier masterson	Aug 17th, 2004 04:43:52 AM
I can honestly say that I already want a Spartacus-X5 figure.
"This is no-holds-barred SF/horror/action with none of the stari by ScarranHalfBreed	Aug 17th, 2004 04:47:52 AM
Until it's re-written and re-written and is turned into the same old formulaic drivel we've seen since The Lost World. Or maybe... THE DINOSAURS SHOULD TALK!!!
I think they should make "Jurassic Park 4: Teenage Mutant Ninja by mbaker	Aug 17th, 2004 04:49:16 AM
YABBA-DABBA-DOO, BROTHER!
Finally.... DINO-RIDERS: THE MOVIE! by Psyclops	Aug 17th, 2004 04:59:14 AM
What the fuck? I like the idea of having the Dinosaurs breed out of control and attack various parts of the world but to go in this incredibly fucked up direction would be the point of no return. It would cease to be JURASSIC PARK forever. It's too strange of a concept. I'll bet the mutation allows the dinosaurs to make an evolutionary leap that will lead to the breeding of a master race of Sleestaks who are armed to teeth and ready to take over the world.
In support of Hogan.... by Jimbo TFU	Aug 17th, 2004 05:01:24 AM
The involvement of the Hulkster is truly a wondrous idea. Although, what would be better is if they somehow made it a Suburban Commander crossover movie.... And replace the intelligent dionsaurs with other mid-90s WWF stars. Imagine the T-Rex doing battle with the Legion Of Doom!
Gawd Almighty by Samson_K	Aug 17th, 2004 05:02:03 AM
Oh dear - this idea is probably one of the most awful ideas I have heard in a long time. I personally hated JP3 - I thought it was a lazy non event of a film with a terrible climax - I also detested the idea that when Alan Grant saw the pterosaur's flying away into the world in general and the little smile he gave was so abysmally out of character that it wasted the character and ideas set up in the first two film. JP 2 - I didn't mind - I especially loved the sequence when the hunters were chasing down the dinos as it kind of reminded me of an old 2000 AD story called Flesh (for those who don't know - Flesh was about cowboys from the future being sent back to prehistory to hunt dinos for meat. Stupid but as a ten year old I loved it). And as a ten year old I might have loved this idea - but I don't! Why? Because it is both ridiculous and smells heavily of creating a toy and video game series. The whole concept of a team of Dinosaur crime fighters (which is what I gleaned from your review) is such a throwback to the eighties and various companies scrabble to get a toy line / cartoon to compete with He-Man and Transformers. I remember all the publicity and interviews surrounding JP and Spielberg constantly stating that no-one connected to the film was allowed to call the dinos 'monsters' and that they had to call them animals because he wanted them to be as much like paleontologists thought they'd be like - real animals with animal instincts. Now, we are maybe going to see Team Dino? I also know that it's sci-fi etc etc and I know nothing about genetics but is it even possible to meld reptile dna with mammal dna - and dog dna???? I mean what do you do if one of Team Dino is attacking you - throw a stick? I know that you have skirted over the main meat of the script but the set up is awful and it seems like there's an awful lot crammed into the opening thirty minutes as well. I suppose the idea of genetisists breeding dinos in Europe - for Euro Jurassic Park - isn't such a bad one as if ever the story went to a balls out End of the World apocalypse as man and dinosaur struggle to control the world because at the moment only the Americas is in any danger. If this happens do we eventually get an evil Team Dino made up of velociraptors with the DNA of cats for that added evil (because everyone knows that cats are evil - ask Blofeld). Does this franchise begin to suck so much that we'll eventually get Alien VS Predator VS Team Dino? As for JP4 - what should it be? Well, I hated the rumours of the underwater dinos because of two reasons - where would ocean going animals ever be to be bitten by mosquitos in the first place and why would anyone on an island theme park breed huge ocean going animals apart from maybe Jurassic Sea World. Perhaps the franchise is dead? Perhaps the thing that most people want to see is the army fighting dinosaurs? Perhaps we should tell the tale of Veloci the humorous velociraptor and his hilarious fish out of water antics as he tries to fit in with everyday society - 'Alone! Afraid! And 65000000 years from home!'
The problem with this site is the regulars are conservatively or by watashiwadare	Aug 17th, 2004 05:04:53 AM
See this review about Jurassic Park, the elements that make it live are viewed as threatening to the reviewer. Or is the real reason aintitcool hates poland is because he didn't fall on the kill bill reich like everyone else? maye he doesn't like being pandered to.
Oh My God... by bb6634	Aug 17th, 2004 05:05:58 AM
And yes, I love it!!! I hope Spielberg goes ahead with this, 'cause this sounds just too demented to pass up.
Samson_K by Scunner	Aug 17th, 2004 05:08:35 AM
"throw a stick", classic!
Calm down, guys - you know what happened last time people starte by Jimbo TFU	Aug 17th, 2004 05:14:59 AM
...the second world war started. Anyway - here's something to cheer everyone up: a stuntman actually died during the filming of Suburban Commando. What a way to go. Dulce et Decorum est Pro Hulkster Mori.
Throwing Dinos sticks... by Jimbo TFU	Aug 17th, 2004 05:21:21 AM
Perhaps if the dinos in the first movie had had dog DNA, Nedry's attempt to make the Dilophosaur fetch the stick would've worked and he would still be with us today.... Oooh....how cool would it be if when the dude in JP4 finds the shaving foam can, he also finds Nedry's car with the remains of Nedry himself still inside?
Um... by DocPazuzu	Aug 17th, 2004 05:21:56 AM
...not to be a nit-picker, but wasn't it established that Nedry's can only had enough coolant to last for a few hours? How can those samples be useful after years of rotting away in the jungle?
Is this the US remake of the Korean film DRAGONWARS?!? by godoffireinhell	Aug 17th, 2004 05:22:31 AM
http://www.younggu-art.com/dra gonwars/pre_mov320.htm
I say get Takashi Miike to direct this!!! by godoffireinhell	Aug 17th, 2004 05:32:08 AM
He's be fucking perfect! Plus, he'd give the dinos huge penises and probably have them snort coke. BTW, fuck PG-13 violence!Make this film a hard R and I'll be all over it! Yep, this could be the best film ever made.
LordEnigma by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 17th, 2004 05:37:26 AM
Show me one time I've posted 60 continuous pages of anything. Show me one time I've posted two continuous pages of anything. If you don't understand the difference, I'll never convince you of it. But there's a reason that website got shut down, and it wasn't just some random whim of mine.
Poland called I, ROBOT a "futuristic masterpiece" ... by godoffireinhell	Aug 17th, 2004 05:49:36 AM
There goes your credibility, David ...
AVP (Avarice vs Plot) by The Reef	Aug 17th, 2004 06:00:40 AM
Why will this movie get made? Merchandising, PG13, Eye-Candy set pieces, "Based on an original idea by Mr S.". Adding Dog DNA to a Dinosaur... Alien 3 anyone? Adding human DNA so they can solve problems... Alien 4 anyone? An adrenaline/seratonin system for behavior modification... "Mean Machine Angel" anyone? I love 'original' ideas. Despite the concept that mixing mammalian and saurian DNA in the manner they describe demonstrates that the swiss characters have not only got the DNA from dinosaurs without the frog genes from the first film but they have identified the exact protein sequences that not only grow human and dog cells but give those cells a desired function. The nature vs nurture argument is far from over and suggesting that inserting a 'function' like so much computer code will stop animals from being animals needs some quality attention. The brain is more complex than we can even begin to fathom. Hollywood screenwriters may think that tampering with the 3 pounds of lipid fats between our ears is a good thing, but the brain is a holistic entity. Dinosaurs will have theirs set up for enhanced senses, pack behaviour, stealth etc. Adding "Human problem solving abilities and dog like loyalty" will impact on what makes dinosaurs such efficient hunters in the first place. Dinosaurs sleep eat and breed. Humans sleep eat and breed, but we are arrogant enough to think we are smarter because we spend all day doing things that we don't really want to do for money, while animals do what ever they want and don't have to deal with ethics, morals and political correctness. Can you imaging this: A DINOSAUR WITH ALTERIOR MOTIVES! I'm reminded of Ripley's line to Burke in Aliens. "I don't know which is worse, at least you don't see them fucking each other over for a percentage." Will we get a Jurassic Park version of the cloning room in Alien 4 with jars full of (Human-dog), (Saurian dog), (Saurian Human) monstrosities? A living HumanDog trying really hard not to lick his balls in public? A HumanoSaur killing instinctively and then agonising about it to its shrink? (Lets get woody allen into a velociraptor suit. I'd laugh.) Lastly, and on a lighter note, if they have human DNA will we have to call them "Saurian-Americans"?
LordEnigma by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 17th, 2004 06:03:46 AM
If all they'd done was review it, none of this ever would have happened. It's not complicated. They had already been warned once after reprinting my copywritten material, and they chose to do it a second time just so they could play the wounded victims. And I'm sure David Poland will respond further. Like I said, he's been regurgitating this rap since '99. The only reason I brought it up is that he's now added lying to his bag of tricks.
Where was this script 2 JP movies ago.... by Drunken Fugitive	Aug 17th, 2004 06:05:23 AM
If they put dosh behind it, get Speilberg to dirct, stay away from PG-13(well away, bring on the blood splatter), they could well resurrect the JP franchise from sequel hell(all you Police Academy fan know what i'm talkin' bout)!
"John Sayles, the ALLIGATOR guy? Nice!" by SalvatoreGravano	Aug 17th, 2004 06:17:38 AM
That's what I said until I came to "Baron von Drax, CEO of the Grendel Corporation"... and then "Nick is put in charge of TRAINING these five DINOSAURS". Good Lord, that's TOO moronic! Even by camp standards, which this film should not be. No, wait, calling this lunacy "moronic" would be complimenting it. FIVE DINOSAUR MERCENARIES? Oh, how great. "Biker Mice from Mars!", "Street Sharks!", "Teenage Mutant Ninja Din... err, Turtles!" were getting old, after all. If true, this script sounds horrible enough to have been written by Anderson or Boll. Sayles should take medicines and then move on to trying to have "Alligator III: Alligatorville" made. Oh, and I missed his commentary on the "Alligator" DVD. He should have joined the director (who, funnily, mentions that he would have made a sequel if Sayles wrote it...) and the actor. Incidentally, Scorsese has finally fallen and hit the bottom if he's turning to remakes, especially remakes of good films. AND INFERNAL AFFAIRS ISN'T EVEN TWO YEARS OLD! (At least part III isn't). Finally, when the hell will this script support saved logins, without having to type them every damn time?
Jurassic Park comics by Dolmes	Aug 17th, 2004 06:27:21 AM
Back in the day of the first film people may remember the comic adaptation of the movies. When they had finished the comics they moved onto to new stories involving characters from the Jurassic Park world. One of the stories is all about a group of scientists who modify the 'raptors' to obey their orders. Ellie and Alan Grant stumble across them in the middle of Isla Nublar after a helicopter crash. I wonder if the writers were influenced because that story was really dark and pretty good too.
By the way, does the Grendel corporation have a big networked co by SalvatoreGravano	Aug 17th, 2004 06:30:03 AM
Get it? Get it? Because that would make it... "Grendel's Mother"! () Haa! Ha, ha! Ha! (Stop staring blandly, you illiterate!) () - although considering it's in Alps, it would probably be "Grendelsmutterpretzelschnitze lheingerwesserdorfer", or whatever the germanazi word is)
If they only have the guts to make it for real!! by moviemaniac-7	Aug 17th, 2004 06:31:56 AM
This could be, if executed by the right director, the coolest of the dino-bunch yet. Was wondering for a while now what kind of turn they would take with the franchise, but this seems about right. I mean, how many films can you make with the cardboard characters they had in the previous films. Only the Vince Vaughn character in the Lost World had any potential for any sequel. Also heard rumours about an underwater set somewhere on-line. Don't know how much of that is true...
Best Beowulf reference is the Friday the 13th series. by Some Dude	Aug 17th, 2004 06:40:49 AM
However, this JP script sounds like fun. Why not go crazy with the possibilities? I hope the heroes get to ride around on pteranodons and the like.
Fucking hell --- this is awesome!!!! by Spacesheik	Aug 17th, 2004 07:00:12 AM
Holy shit man, Universal DO THIS!!! It's got balls and it's totally crazy. I love this premise.
Sounds like a verrrrrrrry early draft by Heleno	Aug 17th, 2004 07:17:11 AM
But hey, it'd be just insane enough to be fabulous if it worked. Sort of Gremlins 2 but bigger. Any chance Spielberg will do this himself? He could do with cutting loose and just going frickin crazy on it.
what we really need is Carnosaur: the next generation by CuervoJones	Aug 17th, 2004 07:20:19 AM
or maybe a remake of When dinosaurs ruled the earth, with Elizha Cuthbert
No by ChickenDelicious	Aug 17th, 2004 07:24:13 AM
I'm sorry, but no. The thing that was cool about Jurassic Park was the fact that humans, in their hubris at playing God, were taken down by nature at its most savage. We don't need TMND. We don't need more mutant creatures named after historical figures. Why don't they make this Harris character a rat-man? This is not Jurassic Park, it's a Saturday morning cartoon. It's just a dumb, dumb idea... and I'm usually the type to dig genre exploitation. Also, excuse me while I go dino-geek. Velociraptors are about the size of dogs. The raptors in the first film ARE deinonychus. A deinonychus is NOT a mini-T-rex.
For YEARS that shaving cream can has bothered me. by RobinP	Aug 17th, 2004 07:35:13 AM
I always figured it'd have to play an important element of an upcoming sequel. BUT - it'd have to be found accidentally, right ? Why ? Well, Nedry stole the embryos and was killed on the way to the boat in the storm. We the audience know this because we saw it. Important point - NOBODY ELSE saw it. As far as any of the characters are concerned, they don't even know that the embryos are in a shaving cream can, they don't know that the shaving cream can that they don't know about was washeed away and buried in a mudslide. For all they know, it could have been washed out to sea, or even eaten by a T-Rex. (Again harking back to the fact that the characters don't know what exactly happened to Nedry.) Hence my supposition that the can would have to be found accidentally. (Even then didn't it only have a refridgeration capability of a few hours rather than a decade ?)
jp by ScaryJim	Aug 17th, 2004 07:37:55 AM
It sounds more like THE LAND BEFORE TIME 12 or whatever they r at now , or maybe ZOIDS remember them FFS make Zoids the movie instead or just finish it all with aliens vs predators vs ash vs jason vs freddy vs jurassic park vs jaws vs godzilla vs the wolfman vs dracula vs frankenstein , then it's all in the past and you can get on and make a film that people still remember 2 minutes after they watch it .
Nedry's embryos by moviemaniac-7	Aug 17th, 2004 07:49:15 AM
Just the thought... "Nedry's embryos"... Yuck! Hmmm, anyhow... This also bothered me and I thought it would be the opening for The Lost World. It could be that the embryos, being sorta underground are longer preserved. Somehow... And how they found out that Nedry stole 'em? Maybe that Dodgson guy would talk, or Nedry's contacts on the ship, or something. There were so many plot holes in these films that it's easy to pick one up and extend it in these movies. Still, I think it would be a kick-ass movie!
Team Dino by Mayhem23	Aug 17th, 2004 07:57:53 AM
Make them talk with BRITISH ACCENTS!! How's THAT for perfect?!?!
This whole discussion isn't worthy of John Sayles by Redbox	Aug 17th, 2004 08:17:12 AM
John Sayles only does this shit to pay for his movie work, which is more worthy of discussion by far than David Poland and Jurassic Park Five or Six or who gives a fuck! Really!! This is a series that should have died long ago. Its sad if most of you don't know who Sayles is, he is one of the top directors of our time and critically respected around the world. All that and he came from my hometown! (No bias I swear!) Go Schenectady!! Sunshine State, Limbo, Men with Guns, Lone Star, The Secret of Roan Inish, Passion Fish, City of Hope, Eight Men Out, Matewan, The Brother from Another Planet, Lianna, Return of the Secaucus 7. Cheers
just plain goofy by stvnhthr	Aug 17th, 2004 08:17:34 AM
Okay this script sounds just too ridiculous. Anyone remember when Kenner/Hasbro tried the same ideas on the JP toyline? Once you start screwing with the physical appearnce of the dinos I lose all interest. Behavior modification doesn't bother me as much for some reason. A strand of Judas breed dinosaurs set loose to hunt and kill off the rest of their kind sounds cool. We need some more dino on dino fights to actually make it on screen. What happened to the big final T-Rex on Spino fight that was at the end of the JP3 script? I've always liked the idea of maybe right after the events of JP1 Nedry's illegal contacts send in a team to find the lost shaving cream can and discover a blinded and crazed Nedry and a seriously mauled but living Muldoon. In exchange for medical help they help them get their own genetics lab up and running.
DAVID POLAND IS A GODDAMNED ASSHOLE by Tsunami3G	Aug 17th, 2004 08:31:47 AM
'nuff said
Doesn't Hammond EVER learn? by the G-man	Aug 17th, 2004 08:44:29 AM
He premised his whole park in the original on creating dinosaurs that don't reproduce and screwed it up. And now he wants to try that trick again?
I was so with this until "Team Dino". Sounds like the frnchise i by Big Bad Clone	Aug 17th, 2004 08:47:32 AM
I showed my son the first Jurassic Park the other day. It scred him shitless. He had seen the second one and he saw the third last night. Those two he laughed at. Even at the "smart dinosaurs" that so freaked him out in the first one. He wouldn't go to sleep without me first showing him that there are no dinosaurs in his closet and explaining to him that dinosaurs have been dead for millions of years. JP4 with the dino squad sounds like more silliness after a bad ass opening.
JP 4 by Samson_K	Aug 17th, 2004 08:48:11 AM
Jurassic Park 4 - How about this - A number of men walk through a forest - they are dressed in simple clothing and are armed with swords and old style rifles, maybe Lee Enfields or Winchesters or something. As they walk we become aware that they are being watched from within the trees and this observation lasts until they come to a narrow gulley. The men are forced to walk single file and as they go something picks off the man at the end. The men are constricted by the narrowness of the area that they're trapped in - suddenly the man at the front is knocked backwards and in the confusion the cause of his falling is lost in a blur of camera motion. The second lead looks down and sees that his comrade has been eviscerated - there are the distinctive snarls of 'raptors and the camera slowly pulls up and away to show that the men are surrounde by raptors - however the camera just keeps on pulling away until we see that the forest is actually Central Park or whereever and as the camera continues to rise we see that New York is decayed and overgrown with plants. Two pteranadons swoop past the camera and roost at the top of the Chrysler Building. CUT TO LONDON An old man is giving a lecture stating that how thirty years ago the first Dinosaur sightings on coast of Mexico started a flurry of panic - but the media down played this as 'silly season' news. However, because of genetic tampering the Dinos weren't sterile but bred at an accelerated rate. Soon Mexico City was infested with Dinosaurs (have a flah of news footage showing this) and the old man concludes his speech by saying that America is now a no go zone and has been quarantined by the UN because of the rampant dinosaur population. The Canadian border has become a heavily armoured border etc. etc but so far Europe has been untouched. As the speech finishes two reporters question the old man and we find out it's Alan Grant! It seems that Ellie's plane has crashed in the centre of Washington and she's alive and as she has been working on a disease that should wipe out anything with tampered with genetic codes. Grant is distraught but the military come in with a man with an eyepatch - Snake Plisken and he's given the, some would say uneviable choice of going to Jurassic Park USA and finding Ellie and the virus and - ESCAPE FROM JURASSIC PARK
Or by Samson_K	Aug 17th, 2004 08:49:27 AM
Or - Nick whatsisface is training the five dinosaurs - Hightower (A T-Rex), Tackleberry (A heavily armoured Triceratops), and three others - one that has a squeaky roar, one who makes strange noises like helicopters etc and another one that, oh, I dunno is fat or something and all sorts of hilarious hi-jinks ensue. Y'see their immediate boss and his two uptight 'Raptors don't like these misfits and try everything to stop them in succeeding. But when the chips ae down the five loveable misfit dino's are there and they succeed - there we go Jurassic Park 4: Dinosaurs on Patrol!!!!!
Another idea for a JP sequel by William Munny	Aug 17th, 2004 08:51:07 AM
Given how the dinos are getting much smarter with each subsequent JP sequel, I think it's high time we let the velociraptors direct the next one. When JP4 is later released on DVD, the "making of" featurette would guarantee huge sales.
There were 3 Jurassic Park movies? by Drunken Rage	Aug 17th, 2004 08:53:22 AM
Jesus, I thought there were only two pieces of that shit.
"Soldiers need names: You will be Mr. White, Mr. Blonde, Mr. Ora by Big Bad Clone	Aug 17th, 2004 09:00:19 AM

"...on another job" by Big Bad Clone	Aug 17th, 2004 09:01:22 AM

Discrepency by presidentevil	Aug 17th, 2004 09:03:57 AM
uh wasnt that can of shaving cream can only supposed to protect the embryos for about 24 hours...i cant imagine them lasting long in the jungle heat but go ahead make the movie,its not my money being used to make it
self-congr...(I mean) aggrandizing cunt by Mr.Cunt	Aug 17th, 2004 09:05:09 AM
for a moment there I thought mori was going to cross the line, this idea sounds like the dogs bollocks, only because it's so random it just might work...!!
Heat that script up and pour it over some Nachos by stvnhthr	Aug 17th, 2004 09:12:35 AM
anything with that high of a cheese content would make a better snack than a movie
So the govt frames the Dino Team for a crime they didn't comit. by Big Bad Clone	Aug 17th, 2004 09:24:35 AM
"I pity the dino..."
Franchise Meltdown by Samson_K	Aug 17th, 2004 09:42:26 AM
This is, of course, symptomatic of what's wrong with - I won't say Hollywood, but the wonderful world of movies. Every big money blockbuster seems determined to be a franchise and that's just a creative whirlpool. Some movies don't need a sequel - Jurassic Park could have had a few sequels that were fundamentally diferent than the first film but they weren't. Jaws should never have had a sequel as there's nothing different that you can do - unless you give the Great White legs and a crazy contraption for breathing on land - and of course 'frikkin lazer beams on its head'. These series can quickly become moribund - it certainly happened with Bond - round about 1977 with the Spy Who Loved Me (from then on each Bond adventure has pretty much been the exact same thing with varying degrees of success and the couple that tried to be something a little bit different FYEO and Licence to Kill were not anywhere near as succesful money wise). The Brosnan Bond's have been very frustrating as they have usually had a pretty decent opening 45 minutes or so and then degenerated into bollocks! Die Another Day was the most consistently awful Bond adventure since A View to a Kill - though in the defence of Bond they've made 20 movies - Jurassic Park has had three. Okay, so this script takes the film into new and unusual areas - areas that I personally find stupid and totally out of thinking with the tone of the first three - so the question is - why bother? There are plenty of stories still to be told that involve dinosaurs - or ones that have been told before but could be told better - I'd love to see a decent, well written big budget version of 'The Land that Time Forgot' or any of the other ERB lost world pulps. I mean Michael Crichton stopped writing JP adventures after the second one - some would say half way through the second one - so if he's finished with the brand then leave it alone. We don't need a sequel shoe horned into something that maybe shouldn't be a franchise. Would someone write Lord of the Rings IV - Revenge of the Big Fiery Eye just to get a movie from it? And of course the answer's a big fat yes - if the LOTR films hadn't been handled with such care and quite a high level of integrity. And let's face it Tolkiens books have lasted whereas I don't think anyone will be talking too much about Crichton's in forty years time. Of course as long as we keep on going to see whatever atrocity is churned out on a brand name they'll keep on churning them out - it's only money matters that hurts. I hope that this film doesn't happen - much like I hope that Alien 5 doesn't happen! Unless they are guaranteed to be classic movies - not blockbuster popcorn 'fun' then I don't want to see them sullied. I'm not event too sure that I want to see an Indy IV because I think the time's passed the series by. I love pulp adventures but there are loads of stories to be told that don't involve Indy. JP 4 sounds like what would have been a cheap rip off of JP in the days that surrounded the heights of home video. Not every film has to have a sequel - there are millions of stories that can be told succesfully with wit, style and charm but how many actually ever are. We are in the fast food cinema culture where decent dialogue and characters take a back seat way behind special effects and marketing ploys - franchises are nothing new look a Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, Mr Moto etc etc - but in those days they were supporting B features - now they are the financial back bone of the industry and that saddens me!!!
This sounds, different. After careful consideration. I LOVE IT!! by Regicidal_Maniac	Aug 17th, 2004 09:45:55 AM
Seriously this idea appeals to the little kid in me, which is really the part of me that I let make the decisions on how I spend my money and time. This idea is SO KOOKY I was going to call bullshit April Fools or something but I think that it's just a super-cool genre exploitation flick that hopefully gets the multi-million dollar greenlight, even if it is bullshit. I don't care either way I must see this film. Although it would be cool to have Sam Neill and Jeff Goldblum together agin, maybe in JP5. Wow if this movie comes out and rocks and FvJvAsh comes out and rocks truly the geeks shall inherit the Earth.
Just wait'll MY film comes out... by rev_skarekroe	Aug 17th, 2004 09:57:14 AM
...it's called "Billy and the Cloneasaurus." sk
"ESCAPE FROM JURASSIC PARK" heh... I'd see that. And I think the by Regicidal_Maniac	Aug 17th, 2004 10:14:24 AM
They need to get Godzilla on this island and throw in Jason, Ash and The Mask while we're at it. I'd like to see this film, after a rewrite to ungoofify it, however I doubt we'll see anything like it outside of Saturday morning cartoons.
stvnhthr by DocPazuzu	Aug 17th, 2004 10:15:02 AM
"I've always liked the idea of maybe right after the events of JP1 Nedry's illegal contacts send in a team to find the lost shaving cream can and discover a blinded and crazed Nedry and a seriously mauled but living Muldoon."..... That idea is about as terrible as that MTV Movie Awards skit when Vince Vaughn and Ben Stiller try to convince Jim Cameron to make a sequel to Titanic where people survived and built an undersea world in the hold of the ship. The only difference is that your idea is funnier. Dude, you seriously need to let go of the Happy-Endings-No-Matter-What routine.
Drat, "presidentevil" posted the plothole before I could: The sh by FrankDrebin	Aug 17th, 2004 10:16:54 AM
Also, if all they need is dino dna, how about just getting it from the attacking dinos? And that whole "life will find a way" speech means that Hammond's plan is doomed from the start (otherwise no JP4, JP5, JP6, etc.).
Jurassic Park 5: "Starsky & Rex" by Rolling_Stone	Aug 17th, 2004 10:29:08 AM
I think Spielberg has been spending too much time with Lucas lately.
Nick? Shouldn't they bring back Roland Tembo? by Drath	Aug 17th, 2004 10:54:54 AM
I have to say, the lack of familiar faces makes this sound more like one of those schlock sci-fi horror crapfests that go straight to video in the shit section of Blockbuster. I need to see somebody who's been through at least one of the other movies. Pete Postlethwaite or Sam Neill should return before some new guy (or Jeff Goldblum). But Mori would have said it was total shit if the script was actually that awful, right? I mean daring to abandon formula wouldn't be enough to please him, right? If I assume that the characters and dialogue are adequate, then it's only a matter of getting the talent to make it a fun action movie. I hate the schlock horror genre, and I never felt the JP movies descended to that level (although the sequels were close). I think the worst parts about both movies were the sudden arrival of "the cavalry," at the end of the second act in Lost World and at the end of the third act in JP3. Those jarring moments felt like the filmmakers going "phew, what the HELL happens next?" And with all the sudden shifts in tone and direction, this script sounds like it is potentially just as jarring. A mountain stronghold? Does that even work without a guy named James Bond? And Cyborg Dinos?! That sounds like it was suggested by the toy company! It opens the door to a lot of crappy ideas too, I would think. What next, winged Tyrannosauruses? Raptors speaking in English and leading an alien invasion? At some point, you've left cool and entered the absurd. I'm glad I'm not trying to make that movie, it sounds too hard.
Reading "Roger Ebert once compared reading a script for an unrel by Cletus Van Damme	Aug 17th, 2004 11:09:28 AM
1) I was previously under the impression Roger Ebert was a poorly-named obese housewife who was dragged to the movies weekly by a domineering husband. 2) I was shocked that Roger Ebert would/could/should expend the energy necessary to copulate. 3) Oddly, the only part that didn't really surprise me was the fact that Roger Ebert would gut a woman. 4) This metaphor actually made sense.
This makes JP3 look like JP1. by Osmosis Jones	Aug 17th, 2004 11:23:05 AM
Dinosaur commandoes...?!?
I just shit myself and slid out of my leather computer chair. by Lezbo Milk	Aug 17th, 2004 11:40:33 AM
What a great idea. I love it. It's so fucking different how could they not make it? By the way...who says "NO" to Steven Speilberg? George Lucas?
I don't believe this for a second by Logo Lou	Aug 17th, 2004 11:40:48 AM
It has to be a joke or false script to throw people off the trail. It's so bad it sounds like Harry wrote it. Seriously, doesn't it sound like one of those dumbfuck stupid ideas Harry will come up with and ramble on about? Crappy fan fiction.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Dinosaurs: Will the Smart Dinosaur missiona by Ted Striker	Aug 17th, 2004 11:44:06 AM
This idea is Gold, baby!! And when I say GOLD, I mean Peanut, and when I say peanut I mean like those little chunks of peanut you see sometimes embedded in your feces. Cause that's what this movie will be: Complete Shite.
Holy living fuck! Yes! Yes! OH YES, you goofy madmen! Do this! by Trav McGee	Aug 17th, 2004 11:49:43 AM
I love it. Bona fide insanity. Just don't hold back on the violence, do the worst you can with an inevitable PG-13. Christ, when Geeks With Money sit around and brainstorm, excellently freaky things come about. Too "ludicrous"? As opposed to the grim reality of the first film? Cause JP was "serious science fiction" or something? These have always been Tales Of Adventure and nothing more, with the flimsiest of scientific catchword-dropping for justification (let's just say Crichton reads Scientific American, not Science). Hell, the much-beloved first JP was really nothing more than 2 or 3 incredible set-pieces surrounded by a very mediocre movie -- easy to time when to hit the head, make the popcorn. I really liked the 3rd one, 'cause it largely tossed aside the moralizing covered in JP and redundant by Lost World, and went with the best part of both: Dinosaurs Fucking Killing People. JP3's a very fun dinosaur movie, dammit. I say LET this series go completely off the rails! TAKE the as-science-as-Star-Trek genetics concepts and run with 'em! With a Spielberg budget? Go Nuckin Futs with it all! ...Just don't, I implore you, somehow write in two spunky kids in peril. ...Man oh man, mercenary dinosaur-dog-men, with guns. hee heee heeeeeee. Oh, the places they could take this if they go there.
And they can have an electric dinosaur and a vegetable dinosaur by porco_rossi	Aug 17th, 2004 11:59:13 AM
This will be the GREMLINS 2 of the JP series! i.e. the sequel that turns the previous films on their heads, but end up making a SUPERIOR and HILARIOUS movie anyway! Yay!
Think of it by radio1_mike	Aug 17th, 2004 12:06:45 PM
This could be so monumentally bad, it'd be a cult hit... I dig the idea of Dino in America and even the enhanced-dino angle. But what the hell would be the sequel JP5? Dinos vs. Aliens vs. Predator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Autobots vs. Decepticons vs. Apes vs. Borg vs. Tony Sorprano vs. Hello Kitty vs. Dinos... (Hmm. Wait a sec I'd pay to see that!)
Doc get off my Jock by stvnhthr	Aug 17th, 2004 12:17:34 PM
Dude seriously you need to get an iPod or something so you quit singing the same song over and over. I know "crazed, blinded and mauled" are all standard "happy ending" ploys used ad nauseum in family films, but I still think it could work in JP.
I've got it -- the Shyamalan-esque twist at the end of JP 5... A by Trav McGee	Aug 17th, 2004 12:26:58 PM
By the end of the catastrophic events of JP 5 the human race is all but extinct, eco-terrorists have turned almost the entire planet into rain forest, dinosaurs freely walk the earth, and the sentient spawn of Nick's Mercenary 5 (Spartacus and Achilles turned out to be female) have developed into an entire intelligent culture that has all but forgotten their human progenitors. The final sequence of the movie involves an earthquake near a waterfall, out of which tumble Rick, Will and Holly in their raft, with their 70s clothes and hair. Just have to remember to call the mercenaries "Sleestaks" in JP 4 for some reason (the "S.L.E.E.S.T.A.K. Project"?), and set up the mysterious Pylons as high-tech multipurpose experiments still being fiddled with by the Grendel Corp labs. Perfect! ...Then, the final shot of JP 6 is Rick, horrified at the sight of a jungle-covered St. Louis Arch or something, and the hideous truth it reveals. "YOU MANIACS!" he rails, on his knees, pounding his fists on the muddy shore of the Mississippi. "You finally did it! You SPLICED US ALL UP! Damn you! Damn you ALL TO HELL!!" ...Fade to black. Whoa, I just got chills. ...This in turn perfectly sets up Beneath Jurassic Park, Escape from Jurassic Park, Conquest for Jurassic Park (chronologically between 4 and 5) and Battle for Jurassic Park (chronologically between Conquest and JP 5). Bada boom bada bing, you got your JPs 7, 8, 9, and 10. You want a franchise? I got your franchise.
JURASSIC PARK 4: SMOKIN' WEED ON THE FIRST by NivekJ	Aug 17th, 2004 12:32:41 PM
Man, I'd pay some so much money to see an acid-trip Dinosaucers balls-to-the-wall action flick. Dude, John Sayles just wrote Dinosaucers: The Movie! Where the kids with the rings at? I like adventurous storytelling: taking the known and flipping it. That's what movies are BASED ON things. You can't do the same thing over. That's why I liked J.J. Abrams' SUPERMAN script. That's why I liked O Brother, Where Art Thou. If you wanted, you could do a remake of Passion of the Christ, where Jesus and the Apostles pack M60s and lay waste to false temples. Call it Jesus and The Boys, if you want. The point is I've seen Jurassic Park made three times over. It's definitely time for something new. I would rather not see a Tremors-2 type deal, but I'll take that over a $150 million dollar borefest. SCI-FI presents Jurassic Park 4 followed by Jurassic Park 5: Atlantis. I'll take it anyway I can get. DINOSAUCERRRRRRRRRRRS!!!
First "Transformers", Now This? Spielberg Gettin' Kiddy Widdit? by jollydwarf	Aug 17th, 2004 12:39:14 PM
"I don't like the way dat big ol' iguana is lookin' at me! With his big ol' glasses and metal lobster bib! You can just take him and leave right now, Mr. Lizard Trainer Man! THAT'S CRA-ZEE!"--Brian Fellows
Let's do it JP4 in space!! by The Schrik	Aug 17th, 2004 01:23:55 PM
Make it even more ce-razy!!
It'd have to be very scary to be cool by Jimbo TFU	Aug 17th, 2004 01:29:59 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if they could make a JP movie specifically for the audience that exists today who were kids when the first movie came out? Make it really scary and violent...cater for an existing audience rather than trying to attract a knew one and only succeed in alienating both... Sadly, as has been said before, Spielberg has been spending a lot of time with Lucas lately....
"Battlefield Earth" may be surpassed... by Jeditemple	Aug 17th, 2004 01:31:53 PM
...and replaced with JP4 as the worst movie ever.
"Doc get off my Jock" by DocPazuzu	Aug 17th, 2004 01:54:35 PM
I think not. As long as you abide by ludicrous fairy tale believability in your proposed ideas for films, not to mention the fact that you put them out there for people to read, you are just going to have to deal with the comments they provoke. Those are the rules, chief. After all, this isn't a "movie about your life."
Must admit... by Clockwork Taxi	Aug 17th, 2004 02:00:12 PM
I'd buy a ticket to this film in a heartbeat.
This sounds FANTASTIC (and I don't mean that in a sarcastic all- by DarthCorleone	Aug 17th, 2004 02:05:45 PM
I doubt it'll get made, though.
"Does he imagine Watergate-style break-ins involving geek comman by Dragonfire	Aug 17th, 2004 02:16:39 PM
That would be awesome. BTW, I think this script sounds shocking. Jurassic Park and Highlander are the two franchises with great first installments and a whole bunch of sequels that continually beat the credibility of the first film down into the dust until it's barely recognizable. The saddest thing is that each sequel tries to make up for the ones before it, and just ends up making it worse (although Highlander III and IV atleast aren't as bad as Highlander II) I see nothing in this script which makes it seem necessary to make a fourth JP movie. And there's a set up for a fifth one? That's ridiculous.
ACTION FIGURE - THE MOVIE! by Merkin Muffley	Aug 17th, 2004 02:28:34 PM
I would see the movie for the opening scene as described, though.
I DARE them to do this... by SPlissken	Aug 17th, 2004 02:45:45 PM
Like Ben Stiller says in "Starsky and Hutch": DO it. DO it.
Jurassic Park 5 by SPlissken	Aug 17th, 2004 02:51:59 PM
Just heard the premise for JP5: Ash versus Dino-Commandos. c'mon...DO it. DO it.
the dirty dino dozen by maceodkat	Aug 17th, 2004 02:52:20 PM
come on. please do not support this crap
P.S. by Christopher3	Aug 17th, 2004 02:53:48 PM
MEN-IN-SUITS! MEN-IN-SUITS! MEN-IN-SUITS!
Goodness that sucked. by Thing-Fish	Aug 17th, 2004 02:54:43 PM
When I read "dinosaurs in America", I was reminded of the reason why JP2 was the worst one of the series - but I continued reading, and I have to say I didn't expect it to get this bad... goodness that absolutely sucked. So, I bet they are joking. Pulling our legs!
As long as they get around to making J5: Moon Madness by grillskill	Aug 17th, 2004 02:57:34 PM
If you do a search you will find I love posting this: I first came up with the idea of Moon Madness while sitting through Lost World. All you need is Richard Attenborough in the trailer being interrogated over the previous incidents and he casually mentions that he also had a secret lab on the moon. A secret Chinese moon landing goes amok when they find an abandoned lab, and are then attacked by a new species designed for life in space, Moonasaurus. Steven Seagal leads a rag-tag group of Glouchester fishermen to save the Chinese Cosmonauts. The fishermen are made up of Michael Dudikoff, Joe Lara, Brian "Stone Cold" Bosworth, and Sammo Hung. Albert Pyun must direct or no deal Spielberg. I forgot to mention that for obvious reasons that this time its personal for Sammo Hung.
Man, Oh Man, I WANT THIS MOVIE NOW!!! by hauptman	Aug 17th, 2004 03:58:38 PM
I will camp out in front of the theater for three weeks to be the first one in the theater if this movie gets made as described by Moriarty!! It is a B-Movie with ridiculously ourageous twists and turns, but with a 150 million dollar budget and bad-ass dinosaurs!!!! How could anyone not want this to get made????
What I used to love about AICN by mjbok1	Aug 17th, 2004 04:01:21 PM
The site in its infancy seemed to be fighting the system. A way outside of the machine to help make the machine better. Harry and the rest of his motley crew were people motivated by the love of movies. Sure they had goals and aspirations to become part of the industry, but at the time they were not. Not the type to stay where they are, the outsiders have become the insiders, and therein lies the problem. I don't know Harry, Drew, David Poland, or any of the SP guys personally. I have traded notes with them (except for DP) on different things over the course of time, and have also traded e-mail with folks from film-threat. I have no vested interest with any group, but here's how I see it: AICN is no longer made of insiders. Whereas at one time scoops came from people in the know on the QT, now most are either direct, purposeful leaks, are plants, or are often fakes (thanks to the SP guys). AICN is no longer a watchdog group trying to better the industry from the outside. They are now insiders, sometimes with agendas, sometimes not. The biggest issue, as it always seems to be, is hypocrisy. While it is true as Drew stated that he never posted 60 pages, or two pages, of a script directly to an article. But he did link to one: http://www.aintitcool.com/disp lay.cgi?id=11815 Beyond that are the examples of the Hulk issue, the Oscar incident, and everything with Joe Hallenbeck. I think there are no easy answers here, but to say that something is wrong, because it is yours, but to have done the same to the work of others doesn't ring true to me. Also, if AICN only gets it's stuff from "legit" sources now, it kind of removes what made the site what it once was, cutting-edge and most importantly relevent.
Sounds hella more entertaining than 2 or 3. They've pissed all by minderbinder	Aug 17th, 2004 04:12:39 PM
And come on, even the first one is more of a milestone in movie FX history than a great film. Make something that goes in a whole new direction or go straight to video.
I don't think i've ever heard of David Poland or his websites be by 007-11	Aug 17th, 2004 04:19:54 PM
So I can't really jump into the fray on that topic(though he sounds like the Bill O'Reilly of movie website hosts). However I can thank Moriarty for his script reviews of "The Fountain" and "The Village". One review gave me something to look forward to(and also lament that it didn't happen the first time out), and the other saved me the price of admission and frustration at having been strung along to an unwanted destination.
"This may be the wrost idea in the long, sad history of BAD idea by innominatus	Aug 17th, 2004 04:21:03 PM
This script is so asinine on so many levels, I scarcely know where to begin. In the first place, there's no way anyone could know about the shaving cream can bit, except for the people from the rival corporation who was trying to steal the dinosaur embryos -- and I don't imagine the'y go running to Hammond about it. In the second place, the first JP very SPECIFICALLY states that the refrigeration unit in the can was good for a LIMITED time -- either 48 or 72 hours (I can't remember at the moment), max! Unless this story is going to involve TIME TRAVELLING dinosaur-human hybrid commandos, the samples are mush, end of story! Not that the JP franchise wasn't already washed up long ago, but let's hope they don't add insult to injury by green-lighting this sorry excuse for a film....
I love Jurassic Park like no other film... by Edward_nygma	Aug 17th, 2004 04:39:39 PM
I saw Jurassic Park at 9 years old and that film alone set a ball rolling that has shaped my entire life since. Initially it was just through seeking out other films by Spielberg or other films starring JP cast members but it snowballed into a love of all film. Jurassic Park is the reason i was the only 9 year old i knew who had seen Brighton Rock. Jurassic Park is the reason all the money i now earn is spent on DVDs and film memorabilia. Jurassic Park is the reason that the place i earn that money is a cinema. Jurassic Park is the reason that i am now at university studying for a degree in Film Production Technology. I think it's fair to say that Jurassic Park is pretty important to me. I love The Lost World too, i think it's really unfairly underrated, and i think there is a lot more to like in JP3 that people give that film credit for too. This JP4 idea makes me sick. None of the proposed film's ideals are what JP is about. It's not an exploitation film, so don't hire an exploitation writer. The staring-up-at-the-effects Mori refers to of the first film is called wonder. That's what JP is about. For every victim that dies screaming at the claws and teeth of a dinosaur there is another character marvelling at the beauty of these animals (note animals, not monsters) that no-one has ever had a chance to marvel at before. It's about the triumph of nature over the arrogance of man: "Life will find a way". It's about JP's towering feeding Brachiosaur, LW's sunlit family of Rexes and JP3's Pterosaurs swooping against the sunset. It's also about the Crichton trademark of grounding far-fetched ideas in the real world using brilliantly researched science. What it's not about is "a DIRTY DOZEN-style mercenary team of hyper-smart dinosaurs in body armor killing drug dealers and rescuing kidnapped children". The love of film i have grown from the seed planted by JP has made me open minded towards all kinds of cinema but all i see here is ridiculous trash. Baron Von Drax? You're joking right? I'd rather see my favorite franchise killed by the repitition of the people-stuck-on-an-island formula than this absoulute garbage. Oh and the embryos in the shaving cream can.... they we're dead 36 hours after Nedry took them from the hatcheries.
Lord Enigma by hamo455	Aug 17th, 2004 04:50:48 PM
I think you'll find that possession is in fact a felony...
Hey Romero made a trained zombie in Day of the Dead by Knobules	Aug 17th, 2004 06:06:51 PM
That sounded like a stupid idea but if it never happened we would have no Bub. Of course, this sounds totally stupid so what the f do I know?
IF NOBODY ELSE WILL SAY IT, FINE, I'LL HAVE TO SAY IT. DAMN YOU by Daddylonghead	Aug 17th, 2004 06:12:37 PM
"Real Dinosaurs are Intelligent and Talk." HAPPY NOW??
geek comando teams:) by rowox	Aug 17th, 2004 06:24:03 PM
"Knights who say Neh!" "Shh! I want this to go smooth, and by the numbers!"
R.C's opinion: In the words of the late great Rick James "Cocai by R.C. the "Wise"	Aug 17th, 2004 06:39:53 PM
Say no to drugs boys and girls.
You gotta be shitting me. This is the script?!? by screenplaywriter	Aug 17th, 2004 06:59:09 PM
Holy hell talk about pathetic. I mean yeah I'd love to see the army take on the dinosaurs, but train their own dinosaurs to fight other dinosaurs. That's totally insane, stupid, and sounds like something you'd make up while playing with dinosaur action-figures. Why can't we just have Alan Grant, Ian Malcolm, Ellie Satler, and Nick Van Owen all come back for one more round. Leave Julianne Moore, the stupid kid characters, and the "God, I look stoned in every picture" Tea Leoni along with William H. Macy out of it and have those four characters team up with the army to track down the pterosaurs that escaped Isla Sorna? I mean why can't we just have that? Or have INGEN start building their own park, only it's an underwater amusement park (like "JAWS 3") where aquatic dinosaurs are being created, but the park goes wrong and the dinosaurs are released into the wild and make it to North America to wreak havoc and that's where our four leads come in. I mean that's a better sounding movie anyday compared to this shit. Keep the Nick Harris character though, but trash the rest of this picture.
Never really cared about Jurassic Park. by joe brady	Aug 17th, 2004 07:06:44 PM
But I do know that Monahan is adapting Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian, or, the Evening Redness in the West" into a screenplay for Ridley Scott. If you haven't read it, then please do so as soon as possible. A frank and brutal portrayal of a small band of mercenaries wandering the American/Mexican border in the mid-19th century, slaughtering whomever crosses their path (mostly indigenous people) and collecting scalps for money. Loosely based on real people, violent as hell, and morally ambivalent. Set for release in 2006. Also, I hadn't heard of this Poland fella, but Scorched Planet was a confederation of bigots using the Bill of Rights as a shield. Good Riddance.
CHEEEEEEESE by Uncle_Les	Aug 17th, 2004 07:13:07 PM
Give me a double helping! Peace Out.
You have GOT TO BE KIDDING !!! by AussieFan-07	Aug 17th, 2004 07:20:57 PM
Please Steve, just leave Jurrasic Park alone to die a painless death and get moving on Transformers !!!!!!! For gods sake !
Best idea since Snakes On A Plane, but why stop there? by Floyd Gondolli	Aug 17th, 2004 09:04:05 PM
Let's have the regular dinosaurs campaigning for equal rights, and being forced to kill people when their pleas fall on deaf ears! Let's have the genetically-engineered dinosaurs fighting uber-dinosaurs thousands of years in the future, in space!! Let's have a love plot between nick harris and one of the genetically-engineered dinosaurs involving a inter-species sex scene (you know you want it)!!! I know, let's cash in on the latest trend, dinosaurs vs. amon goeth's nazis vs. et vs jaws vs that truck from duel!!!! Jurassic Park 4 is ripe with oppertunity and they settle for this, c'mon, show some balls Speilberg, and make your wildest crack influenced shroom fantasies real.
Spelling and grammer check by bigblackock	Aug 17th, 2004 09:15:36 PM
Ain't - not a word, but it's the name of the site so I'll let it go. Fascinating. Provocative. And totally untrue. - Sentence fragments. It just strikes me as bizarre for him to behave one way, then pretend to police the rest of us. - Missing and before the then. It would be like me picking on him for his RAIN MAN-like obsession with box-office numbers, then writing a column in which I make largely inaccurate predictions of my own, along with endless overanalysis that ultimately illuminates nothing. - Another missing and. It
PLEASE make this movie! by Vern	Aug 17th, 2004 09:22:10 PM
Unless you're gonna hire some shitball to do it (hint: no Chris Columbus, Joe Johnston, etc.), PLEASE make this movie. People will see it. People will enjoy it. Other people will not enjoy it, and we will make fun of them. I mainly just want to see those little leaguers getting eaten but I would also go in for the crimefighting super dinosaurs or whatever the shit he's talking about up there. All out dinosaur mayhem. Dinosaurs. No island. Let's do it boys. thanks Steve
Here's some pointers for Crichton-style grounding by zinc_chameleon	Aug 17th, 2004 09:24:45 PM
(1) The dinosaur plague thing can only work if the animals are expressing very deadly retroviruses as the result of all the custom DNA. [See Greg Bear's "Darwin's Children" for details.] That makes it imperative for every last one of them to be wiped out, thereby setting up a big opposition that our hero has to handle. People need to be dying in droves from just being near a compy, or a raptor. If they're just big animals, it won't work; how much of a problem are coyotes in your area? (2) Use dinosaurs we haven't seen before: plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs, Montana pteranadons. (3) Have a strain of wild raptors equal in intelligence to the X5 series; there has to be opposition, and tension for it to work. And the X5s are susceptible to some new retrovirus that doesn't emerge until they fight each other. Stress really does cause this kind of thing. There, that's three big one. Good luck, John Sayles. I'm truly interested in seeing what you can do with scifi/fantasy. Zinc out...
Dave Poland by bigblackock	Aug 17th, 2004 09:32:14 PM
Dave Poland runs Movie City News. http://www.moviecitynews.com The article that Poland wrote that pissed off McWeeny is here. http://www.thehotbutton.com/to day/hot.button/2004_thb/040713 _tue.html
Nice one TheReef. :^D by raw_bean	Aug 17th, 2004 09:38:26 PM
If you haven't got at least 30 IQ points on each and every person responsible foir this risible story, I'd be very surprised.
Hmmm, Interesting but it seems somehow lacking... by Wild At Heart	Aug 17th, 2004 09:41:21 PM
After all, if the Mighty Mutant Dinomorphs were created and raised in Switzerland wouldn't they speak German? And if so (gasp!)wouldn't that mean that there was a possibility that the whole thing was a NeoNazi plot to take over Europe, and then Ze Verldt? Maybe the company is a front for the Odessa octopus? And where is der Feuhrer in this shebang? Shouldn't the dinosaurs all have Hitler's DNA infused in their genetic code? What about 'Boys from Brazil'? Maybe somebody found Josef Mengele on ice, thawed him out and had him commandeer the project. Now that's the kind of film I wanta see. Mightly Mutant Dinomorph Nazi Sleepers who one thinks are working for the 'Good Guys' until they click over into Goosestepping mode. Whole ranks of them sweeping across Europe. Bung in the Hollow-Earth scenario for a few more laughs. Hey, if you're gonna go trippin' you may as well max out your ticket, right? And just for the record I'm a big fan of Sayles' work on 'Piranha' and 'Howling'. In fact, as much as I loathe the spate of corporate knockoff remakes which are plaguing us I think a balls-out, cgi-fest version of 'Pirahha' might actually be worth investing in. Or course, Sayles should be given the job of scripting it. Ah it'll never happen!
Sounds like the dino equivalent of DEEP BLUE SEA or DAY OF THE D by FrankDrebin	Aug 17th, 2004 09:54:10 PM
Just because a creature is more intelligent doesn't mean that it's more benevolent--did we learn nothing from ID4!!!
Wait I saw this cartoon... by Bronzewood	Aug 17th, 2004 10:01:15 PM
It was called Dinosacuers I think, there was good talking heavily armored dinosaurs, and bad talking heavily armored dinosaurs and there were kids. And it sucked bad, I don't even think it had action figures, and this movie will probably suck and still get made, and probably still get action figures. Kinda sad really, I would have bought the cartoons action figures.
Man, I absolutely love it when they take one of my favorite film by IndustryKiller	Aug 17th, 2004 10:26:14 PM
I can't believe some of you people are actually entertaining this. This wouldn't make a red fuckin' cent at the box office. Who besides a couple of idiots on this site would see htis? It would be laughed out of theaters. Maybe I'm a little biased considering the original Jurassic Park was a defining cinematic moments of my childhood. No matter what Harry and Mori (erroneously) think about it that movie was a bench mark and showed people the power of special effects on film. I can't believe Spielberg would purposely do this to the franchise after being forced to watch what happened with Jaws. What an asshole.
What, Are Tori and Kelsey In This? OR... "SPELLING and GrammEr C by jollydwarf	Aug 17th, 2004 11:01:35 PM
Now, that post and its title, my non-friends, is a great example of what irony REALLY is.
The twist ending is.... by loki24	Aug 18th, 2004 12:05:00 AM
The dinosaurs are really aliens. Super hero aliens that are allergic to water.
Ebert said that? lol by Bong	Aug 18th, 2004 12:13:26 AM
interesting analogy
PURPLE TWINKIES FOR SALE by Babba-Booey	Aug 18th, 2004 12:18:00 AM
FRESHLY SHAT. Somewhere, right about now, Michael Crichton is slapping his billion-dollar forehead and shouting, "FUCK! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT?!" Oh, wait, that wasn't Crichton, that was CORMAN. How unbeliveably cheezy...Fuhmunda Cheeze...Fuhmunda my dick. The shameful thing is, I'll see it. I'll actually pay friday night prices to see this turd. At least we can have hope that it'll be better than AvP.
Sounds Extremely Cheesy but... by NubtheSquirrel	Aug 18th, 2004 12:40:15 AM
fuck it. Let's see it! It sounds so off the wall it might work! Then again, it might absolutely suck but I'll go with the first option. It might actually lead to inspire Spielberg to introduce the Dinobots in the Transformers movie. That's exactly what we need to revive the JP franchise. We need to make it an exploitation film. This will revitalize the exploitation films in a way that we never thought possible. This truly has the potential to be fun.
a Dinosaur Commando Team?? by ol' painless	Aug 18th, 2004 01:03:25 AM
Ridiculous! Whats will Hollywood expect us to believe next? A man in a spider suit swinging through New York? Oh, wait a minute . . .
So, it's a dino-soldier, ludicrously unbelievable sci-fi, tentpo by WeedyMcSmokey	Aug 18th, 2004 01:03:26 AM
While I'm not in any way directly rooting for the terrorists, I do sympathize with the POV occassionally.
But will the smart dino soldiers carry walkie-talkies or guns? by SG7	Aug 18th, 2004 01:26:18 AM

ol painless: LOL by SG7	Aug 18th, 2004 01:28:23 AM
Seriously, you are so right. People don't have problems with some mewling mommas boy turned spider dude by the bite of a genetically engineered spider but genetically engineered smart dino-soldiers? NO way!
TO ALL OF THE 'SHAVING CREAM CAN" TECHNICALITY DUDES... by SquidHead	Aug 18th, 2004 01:45:48 AM
You're not thinking outside the box. Sure, the embryos would have expired LONG AGO due to the coolant running out, BUT it would still be chock full of useable DNA. I mean, the thing is a metal container, with the tissue in little enclosures. All they need is the DNA.
Dinosaur Heaven by Clio	Aug 18th, 2004 02:08:33 AM
This may already have been mentioned above, but on a related note I heard that early development has started on the filming of the novel: "Anonymous Rex." This book is hoot. It is a private eye mystery, except that the detectives are dinosaurs---disguised as humans! In the book about one-tenth of the world population are really dinosaurs in disguise, evolved to much smaller sizes and much greater intelligence---the largest make the best NFL tackles. The sequal to the novel was "Casual Rex." Great humor in the books---I would rather see THIS than JP4.
Real Dinosaurs are intelligent and talk. by JAGUART	Aug 18th, 2004 02:14:59 AM

Joe Hallenbeck by mike123	Aug 18th, 2004 02:54:44 AM
Seems like someone forgotten about Joe Hallenbeck, didn't he get busted for distributing bootleg videos?
Sounds pretty silly to me by Ivan_Mtl	Aug 18th, 2004 03:01:45 AM
As a sequel, I think the current premise for Jurassic Park 4 is just plain silly. While the script itself may be well written and make for an interesting(?) original movie, it strays much too far from the source material established in the earlier films and would just alienate the already dwindling fanbase. I believe that when you establish a film's "reality" (for lack of a better word), you should stay within the framework. If they wanted to make a movie about intelligent dinosaurs, they should just adapt Harry Harrison's WEST OF EDEN or Jack Kirby's DEVIL DINOSAUR (or even do a big screen version of THE LAND OF THE LOST). Regardless, I think the upcoming SOUND OF THUNDER may drive the final coffin nail in Dino-flicks - for a little while anyway (or until someone decides to make another Flintstones movie).
Worst. Case. Scenario. by one9deuce	Aug 18th, 2004 03:50:25 AM
This HAS to be a joke! How could anyone think that getting the shaving cream can is a good idea? Spielberg showed the can being covered in mud for a reason, and it wasn't for a sequel. Not to mention the rest of the script being possibly the lamest direction to take a series since George Lucas started up the Star Wars franchise without a studio to keep him in check.
Everyone is a hypocrite. by maniACK	Aug 18th, 2004 04:02:39 AM
I can't believe everyone is bashing this JP script. You all know damn well that if all this sequel did was send Alan Grant back to Isla Nublar to escape more dinos, every last one of you would be pissing and moaning about how Jurassic Park 4 is just a rehash of all the other movies in the series. Well, here is a BIG departure from the other movies, and all you can do is piss and moan. What the HELL do you want? This JP4 script is VERY different from the other three movies and sounds awesome! Of course, I happen to be a huge fan of all three movies and don't think this series has "run it's course" in the least, but I don't see what the problem is with the "dino commandos". At first I can see how it might sound silly, but I've thought it was a good idea for years now. How, you ask? Well, back before Lost World came out, I thought to myself, "It would be awesome if a dinosaur got loose in a big city in the sequel to JP." You all remember how Lost World ended, right? Well, if this script gets made, it will be the second time I thought an idea would be cool for the Jurassic Park series and then it came true. I was reading an old Turok: Dinosaur Hunter (don't ask why) comic book back before JP3 but after JP2 came out, and the story was about a mad scientist who put what were basically "intelligence hats" on raptors to make them be able to talk, follow orders, use weapons, and basically be "dino soldiers" to fight Turok. I instantly thought that would be a really cool and VERY different direction for the Jurassic Park series to go in....with a little bit of tweaking, of course. This script is that tweaking. Obviously, JP3 didn't turn out that way, but I'm glad that the telepathic messages I send to Hollywood are working and that this treatment is actually being considered. Lay off, you haters! Jurassic Park rules! One thing, though. Let's leave the kid characters at home in this go around. They're annoying.
How does anyone else know about the shaving cream? by Rein	Aug 18th, 2004 04:34:43 AM
It's not like the guy who stole the stuff advertised he was stealing it.
if - IF - this actually is a JP4 draft, then yeah, they have som by Trader Groucho 2	Aug 18th, 2004 05:27:34 AM
And on a project like this you can't necessarily pin the blame for such a glaring logical inconsistency as the shaving cream can on Sayles (and I'm not saying anyone did), as the script doctor takes marching orders concerning which elements have to remain in the script and which don't. So if - IF - this is the real deal, there's a lot for the next 17 writers they throw at this to tinker with. BTW Rossio & Elliott could make this shit work (just don't expect them to, their plates brimmeth over).
This whole "Monster Mash" thing that started a couple of years a by Trader Groucho 2	Aug 18th, 2004 05:41:53 AM
It's not that there isn't creative stuff happening, it's just that risk-averse studios gambling huge bucks want as much built-in recognition as they can possibly muster. And what the numbers on Jason v Freddy and AvP show the suits is they're right. Hence the JvFvAsh idea, and a kitchen-sink approach to Jurassic Park. And just because Van Helsing didn't perform up to expectations, don't expect this trend to die down any time soon. Gladiator performed well a couple of years ago, so we've got more swords & sandals epics coming up than we could possibly want. Troy's come and gone, Alexander's next (anyone besides me notice Colin Ferrell's eyes in that poster resemble George W. Bush's? And look just as dim?). It's the same deal with the Monster Mash movies. If PJ scores with Kong, there will be a sequel. And it could involve another monster. All the studios probably already are taking a fresh look at their assets - as well as anything they can rip from folklore and classics that's public domain - with an eye to what fits together as an exploitation project. Why not drop Snake Plisskin into the middle of a George Romero nightmare??? How about Freddie hijacks Ash's Olds, gets sucked into a vortex and lands in the Biblical Sodom & Gomorah? (I actually like that one)
Bring Larry Cohen to direct this! by granhalcon	Aug 18th, 2004 06:42:21 AM
Please?
I can't find myself giving two craps about this. by RainJacket	Aug 18th, 2004 07:26:44 AM
When I was a but a wee boy living in this country's hearty midwest, I used to immerse myself in dinosaur knowledge. I had books, tapes, hats, and more books. I knew a lot of useless facts about 'saurs that no one my age should know. But I was always freakin' terrified of the damn T-Rex. I'd have nightmares that I'd wake up in the middle of the night and it'd be staring at me through my window. When "Jurassic Park" came out, my childhood fears of the T-Rex were realized on screen and the movie really got to me. Parts of the sequel got to me, too, especially the scene where the kid wakes up in the middle of the night and the damn T-Rex was staring at him through the window... my own bloody nightmare, how about that? I couldn't deny that, as a film, it had flaws (many flaws), but I still kinda liked it simply because, well, the T-Rex rocks. Then the third one came out and it had that damn duck-o-saur, or whatever. Who the hell cares about that!? I was never scared of that when I was kid, I never even heard of it! It did nothing to me. And now we're getting commando teams of intelligent raptors? Folks, I don't care if this is the most well-written script in the history of screenwriting, who cares about a live action version of "DinoSaucers?" This is an idea doomed to failure, and more suited for the Sci-Fi Channel. They could throw in a few giant snakes in there for good measure.
WHY DOES EVERY ARTICLE THAT MCWEENY WRITES HAS TO BE ABOUT HIM A by Goon Bighead	Aug 18th, 2004 08:38:08 AM
GIVE IT UP. STOP MAKING EVERYTHING U WRITE ABOUT U. UGH.
I can just imagine Jay Sherman from "THE CRITIC" reviewing this by screenplaywriter	Aug 18th, 2004 10:48:05 AM
He'd be on there just repeatedly going "It stinks, it stinks, it stinks!" Because really this is a pretty stinky movie/set-up/script. I still say have Grant, Ellie, Nick Van Owen, and Ian Malcolm, along with Richard Attenborough (getting eaten because Michael Chrichton had him get killed in the first "JURASSIC PARK" book) finish off the series. These are your people, no one else. Alan could be some buttoned down retired palentologist drinking his cares away, spends time seeing Ellie his old friend occasionally, and wonders "what if" he'd never gone to Jurassic Park. Ellie could be a now divorced parent, still thinking about her days with Grant, their wild adventures, and how fun, funny, and brave he was. Ian could be working at a college as a professor/mathematician teaching students about his "chaos theory" and one kid asks about his experience on Isla Nublar and Sorna and he just does a little wink at the camera and goes "There's your example of chaos theory..." Nick Van Owen could still be doing his photography, but for a different cause. Not for Green Peace, not for some artificial useless corporation, but just working for National Geographic. Then, you have the attack by the pterosaurs and then Hammond assembles his team, along with a bunch of new faces who will be Marines in this, and they go off and try to stop the pterosaurs. Or go with my other idea I stated have the underwater aquatic dinosaurs escape and make it to our shores, bring back the Spinosaurus and have him run amok, have that crocodile-like dinosaur be in it. Just don't go with this braindead excuse of a script. P.S. Bring back Roland Tembo!
Give me a break. by Mooly	Aug 18th, 2004 10:55:27 AM
This is the stupidest sounding thing I've ever heard. Modifying dinosaurs to become super-smart warriors? Did they rip anything else off of GREMLINS F--KING TWO! Is there a scene where the raptors sing some Sinatra? And why the hell do the raptors need Human DNA for problem solving skills? The last three movies made it abundantly clear that they are already smarter than people when it comes to hunting and killing. But that is the ultimate tip off when it comes to bad bad BAD movies. When the writers think using the word "DNA" can explain anything, no matter how stupid, you know it is going to be trash.
wHY BOTHER W/ THIS... JUST MAKE MALIBU COMICS' DINOSAURS FOR HIR by fanboyjm	Aug 18th, 2004 11:35:13 AM
Malibu comics, the now defunct & absorbed by MARVEL comics company,had a witty comic called "DINOSAURS FOR HIRE". It had talking/wise-cracking commando dinos that blew shit up real good!I thought it was silly fun & collected all the issues so please make this instead of J.P. 4. MAYBE THE MIGHT ACTUALLY TURN OUT TO BE WORTH SOMETHING. HA!!!
John Sayles ripping off Jack Kirby? by Kid Z	Aug 18th, 2004 11:49:59 AM
Hell, let's go all-out, but all the actors in monkey-suits, paint a T-rex bright red and have "Devil Dinosaur: The Motion Picture"!
Hypocrisy by williammunny	Aug 18th, 2004 12:26:31 PM
There are a lot of people who seem to want to have it both ways. It seems to me that throughout the history of this site, quite a few things have been posted by those that run the site either without the permission of those who "owned" it. A good bit of that was material that the "owners" either didn't want revealed at all, or didn't want revealed yet. As far as I can see, that's the whole damn "raison d'etre" of this site, or it was. Now it may just be schilling for movie companies, releasing planted material and whatnot. But at some point, AICN was supposed to leak info that movie companies didnt want the general public to know. So when one of the people who runs the site takes legal action against another site for doing exactly that, it looks like hypocrisy. When said member begins splitting hairs and making arguments about how what he did was fine but what "they" did was different, it looks even more like hypocrisy. Hard to tell the "truth" but that never has really been the main focus of this site anyway...
Kid Z by DocPazuzu	Aug 18th, 2004 12:52:24 PM
You rock. Nice to see some love for Devil Dinosaur and Moonboy! As dumb as it was, I loved that comic when I was a kid. Cavewomen with beehive hairdos! Giant ants! Dinosaurs vs evil alien flame-throwing robots! God bless Jack Kirby.
After much consideration, I've decided that this idea is even mo by Aston Lad	Aug 18th, 2004 02:16:41 PM
And you know why, assuming this is even true, that Mr. Spielberg and his kind think its such a cool idea it should have been done earlier? Because by making the good guys dinosaurs instead of people, they can remove even more of the dialogue that they've been eradicating more and more of as this franchise has progressed! OK I haven't seen JP1 since about 1996, but from what i remember it was a reasonably intelligent blockbuster: scientific theories on genetics used to bring a plot to life, with a little morality on the dangers of playing God thrown in. Lost World was dumb but fun; JP3 marred by some RIDICULOUS plotholes and felt like it was made up as they went along; and now this. I can't believe for one second this script will see the screen, ever.
This is just the beginning... by P.T. Hardon	Aug 18th, 2004 03:07:43 PM
After this, the Dino-Crime-Fighters can take on Aliens and Predators... DVAVP Or perhaps one of the Dino-Crime-Fighters can partner with Jackie Chan? Rush Hour: Jurassic Park
What the Sam Hell? It started off sounding awesome... but a DINO by brokentusk	Aug 18th, 2004 03:27:32 PM
If this is Spielberg's brilliant idea then I'd hate to hear his bad ideas. Jeez, I can't believe anyone would be able to say with a straight face: "Yeah, 'Jurassic Park IV' is about these five little T-Rexs that fight crime... with body armour!" WHAT SHIT! I'd rather just watch the first film again.
I'll go see this after... by zacdilone	Aug 18th, 2004 04:49:59 PM
...I go see "The Creeping Fear."
cant make heads or tails of the talkback order by stvnhthr	Aug 18th, 2004 05:11:40 PM
Can someone explain to me the reason that the posts do not appear in either A) Ascending order or B) Descending order? I can't make heads or tails of the whole confusing mess. And yes DocPazuzu, an orderly talkback forum would be consistant with me wanting things to end well.
stvnhthr... by DocPazuzu	Aug 18th, 2004 05:31:38 PM
...It appears there finally is something we can agree upon. Mori, Harry, whoever -- for the love of all that's holy, fix the talkback order ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
The whole movie turns out to be a dream... by cherrycola	Aug 18th, 2004 05:43:37 PM
dreamt up by a chubby red-headed little boy somewhere in austin circa 1987....who might it be?
"First" posters are foolish looking enough on their own by Big Jim	Aug 18th, 2004 05:57:00 PM
Don't need this random post order to do that. Here is my suggestion: even if the posts can not be controlled to be placed in order, can there not be something on the server that automatically resorts all the posts, say once an hour, to the correct order?
"I think the reason they don't fix the talkback order is to make by DocPazuzu	Aug 18th, 2004 06:01:11 PM
You might be right, but when a tactic proves to be useless, the rule is usually to abort and try something else. As far as I can tell, first-posters are as active as ever -- and more cheerful than ever. What we have instead is everyone else in the TB getting aggravated. Honestly, as lame as first-posting is, can it really be worth pissing off so many people just to get to them? Obviously it's not working, so just fix the goddamn posting order. Jeez.... How many times does this issue have to be brought up before the webmaster does something about it?
The reason the posting order hasn't been fixed... by Skyway Moaters	Aug 18th, 2004 07:34:32 PM
... is that the guys running the site don't know HOW to fix it with out doing a complete re-design. The order gets hosed when posts are deleted, but it doesn't just hose the TB in question, it hoses ALL of them. Is a re-design in the works? I doubt it, but they've recently done away with the user ID e-mail address links so who knows? Just my opinion, but I don't think they even CARE if the TBs are in any kind of order or not. It just doesn't seem to be a priority. If it was, they wouldn't keep using the same lazy cgi code for years and years and years and years... Maybe they're just cheap? Or lazy? Is it really that big a deal to check the time-date stamp on posts when you're trying (emphasis on the trying part) to follow a thread?
Umm... by Unbreakable16	Aug 18th, 2004 08:13:34 PM
I have to admit, I'm sure I'd see the movie described, on video if nothing else. But if they do that, I wish they'd drop the Jurassic Park name. The books were excellent, and the first film captured a lot of that (but dumbed down a bit, and with irritating Spielbergian moments). Like other posters said, the best part of the series are that these are ANIMALS, and the philosophic stuff. Even if this movie somehow ends up good, it shouldn't have that JP name. I'd actually love a real Jurasic Park sequel. It would almost HAVE to be written by Criton (or someone smart who actually gets what the books are about), not some script doctor, and it would have to actually be ABOUT something. But I'd love to see it
Hell Yes! by ILoveEwksAndJJar	Aug 18th, 2004 08:41:22 PM
I love the Jurrassic Park series, my favorite being number two. A t-rex loose in San Diego? Cool. I thought the same-ol storyline got tired by third installment, though. But the part that really interested me was the subplot about the kid who survived 8 weeks on the island. After watching JP3, I thought, how cool would it be if humans started living on the islands? That's not the direction the script is going, but as long as the direction is different, I'm happy. The world of Jurrassic Park is wide open to many differrent storylines. Let the good times roll!
The Flying Lizardnecks by youbetitis	Aug 18th, 2004 10:13:43 PM
It's not an ingenious idea--sounds more like something you come up with when you are greedy for love and money. That's Spielberg. he's desperate to stay on top of the game. Box office clout, oscar gold--just not enough. Tried channeling Kubrick's spirit, tried to outdo Bladerunner, next he's trying to outdo Orson with War of the worlds--then its pocket money for the kids with JP 4.
Can't use the words "Heavily Armed" and "United Nations" in the by Lion Fire	Aug 18th, 2004 10:23:53 PM
["A bad-ass heavily armed United Nations task force" LOL. The custom-made dinosaurs are move believable.] HAHA EXACTLY!
this has got to be a hoax, no way they could film this piece of by matthooper8	Aug 18th, 2004 11:21:55 PM
I hope someone from teh studio reads these forums, this idea is so bad it can't be real
Moriarty/Jurassic Park by WoodyStiffer	Aug 18th, 2004 11:56:39 PM
Moriarty - nice point about the Screenplay reviews. I've posted many a rant about early reviews on this site. I still believe that IT'S NOT COOL TO REVIEW SCREENINGS OF AN UNCOMPLETED FILM - but reviews of a draft of a screenplay that may be better than successive rewrites is a good idea. I've been there with some companies as the original screenplay from the writer is infinitely better than the abomination that my companies ended up with after all 10 million producers and financiers had their stupid fucking input. Regarding JP4 - it sounds outrageous, but that's really what this franchise needs if they want to continue making Jurassic Park films, and I'm all for that. Some of the plot lines have been stupid, but I love seeing dinosaurs brought to life - and then researching facts about those dinosaurs (yeah, I'm a geek - sue me). The franchise is at an impasse, they've done the "man is trapped on an island that they cannot control" thing for three films now. If they need to make it outrageous, so be it. Albeit, one early fault I can see is early in your review you note that attacks have been prevalent in communities. This I don't buy as dinosaurs really wouldn't be hard to hunt down in metropolitan areas. It's like a script where lions start to invade New York, that's a tad bit stupid. The rest of it - genetic mutation, the return to Isla Nubar - sign me up!
Skyway Moaters by WoodyStiffer	Aug 19th, 2004 12:04:59 AM
Interesting Post. Regardless of a time/date stamp, simply listing the talkback by order of creation (this isn't listed in most databases by time/date, rather it's by an autonumber key that increments by one for every new record) seems to be a no brainer. I'm always stumped why this problem happens on this site. To me, it seems impossible as, without sorting, the database would naturally display in order of creation. I just can't figure the shit out. Lazy CGI be damned, you could have the most lazy code with no sort... and it would display in order of creation... Any ideas? I've always tried to figure out why the AICN talkbacks are completely fucked...
Spielberg by WoodyStiffer	Aug 19th, 2004 12:16:15 AM
Someone mentioned before that JP4 was for Spielberg's pocket money. I don't buy that (he's a billionaire). I COULD be convinced that he wants the modern day boxoffice record as another testament to his legacy, albeit anyone could see that for a movie to outdo Titanic or other amazing blockbusters, it couldn't be a simple action-filled storyline like Moriarty has presented. The films that have been the MOST successful in boxoffice history (when you take into account inflation) like Gone With The Wind, Star Wars, and Titanic, have truly been epics with many layers. This doesn't read that way - I see it as Spielberg still liking the franchise, just being bored with the SAME MODEL THEY'VE USED FOR THREE STRAIGHT FILMS - it just feels like they're searching for something new. I mean, there really are no new dinosaurs for them to introduce (unless they're genetically manipulated) - so they've got to do something to invigorate the franchise. Some of you really need to lighten up on filmmakers - many of you talkbackers are so fucking negative towards filmmakers, it's often overwhelming. And it's not limited to their films, it comes in the form of blatant, ridiculous personal attacks that just leave me speechless. These people are trying like anyone else, why the overwhelming hostility? I could see story criticisms, but it's so personal and hostile on this site, it's really shocking.
Is this available on kazaa yet? by originalskoobx	Aug 19th, 2004 12:48:46 AM
Well is it?
ummm........yea by Bootskin	Aug 19th, 2004 01:11:58 AM
wha?
ME,GRIMLOCK !! by el zar	Aug 19th, 2004 01:13:07 AM
Hmmmm. Jurassic park never dies. But super dinosaurs ? How far can they take this dinosaur franchise that became extinct after JP2 ? They better come up with something better than that.
David Poland should die from gonorrhea and rot in hell by jules windex	Aug 19th, 2004 01:13:23 AM
SO right about his box office obsession. And JP4 sounds hilarious.
That posting by "grillskill" gave me an idea: They need to remak by FrankDrebin	Aug 19th, 2004 02:33:56 AM
It was this mid-budget Italian-Japanese mess from 1968, where a space station orbiting the earth picks up a fungus that quickly spreads and starts eating people. Basically, a cheesier ANDROMEDA STRAIN. Or CABIN FEVER in space.
holy fucking shit man, I WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!! I DON'T THINK by Bourne GreyElf	Aug 19th, 2004 02:52:34 AM
SERIOUSLY! This movie sounds so fucking whacky it HAS to be made! I'm actually excited, ROFL! Thanks Moriarty! I'm actually glad to see some whackyness in hollywood. I really hope this comes out. I don't care HOW stupid is seems. Again, thanks Mori, you rock!
Speaking of Spielberg, did you see the news today that WAR OF TH by Commando Cody	Aug 19th, 2004 03:07:20 AM
According to a source, they were saying Spielberg and Cruise are getting a TOTAL blank check on this one (plus 20% of the profits) and Spielberg wants to make it the EVENT it should be. Bring it on, Steven! Let's see you do what you do best -- making some amazing film that kicks ass and is PERFECT summer movie going, yet still manages to be redefine how GOOD filmmaking should be done!
yo, Fuck, this actually sounds awesome... by The_Lion	Aug 19th, 2004 03:54:14 AM
Make it, and they will come.
If they want, ... they could actually bring an element of "ALIEN by JDanielP	Aug 19th, 2004 04:16:05 AM
Not a bad thing, ... since I've never had my "thrist" quenched since James Cameron's "ALIENS". -- Whatever the dirrection they chose to go, ... I look forward to this very much.
No new dinosaurs to introduce? by John Anderton	Aug 19th, 2004 05:37:31 AM
"I mean, there really are no new dinosaurs for them to introduce (unless they're genetically manipulated) - so they've got to do something to invigorate the franchise." --- Bullshit. There are hundreds of dinosaur species that could make it into a movie, yet we can count on our fingers and toes the number introduced in three JP movies. There are also hundreds of plotlines that could be worked WITHOUT going the "Mighty Morphin Power Dinos" route. Like others have said, this script reeks of 1980s Saturday morning fare. Know what else was on Saturday mornings in the 1980s? Care Bears, The Flintstones, He-Man, Scooby Doo, Go-Bots, and the Smurfs - not exactly epic-filled box-office-mash breeding ground (but that hasn't stopped Hollywood from trying to rape that dead goat, as we've all witnessed).
PS... by John Anderton	Aug 19th, 2004 05:41:04 AM
Harry, IPB isn't THAT expensive and easy as fuck to implement... why not use it? Christ nailed to a cross, get some real forum software, will ya? Anything but this 1992 reject code you've got working here (8 years overdue on the upgrade).
Hey retrostyle, the original 1968 "The Green Slime" was directed by Regicidal_Maniac	Aug 19th, 2004 05:44:26 AM
And yeah it'd be cool fodder for a remake. As for JP series I really just want to see a story revolving around a Colombian druglord who breeds and keeps Velociraptor "guard dogs". Naturally the whole situation gets out of hand when an official governmental acronym eg FBI/CIA/DEA/ATF/ETC raid the compound and hell breaks loose.
Oh I forgot to add that it's about time we saw the chameleosurs by Regicidal_Maniac	Aug 19th, 2004 05:48:28 AM
Think about it, Raptor-like dinos with Predator style chamoflage abilities. Drool.
Arent we forgetting something? by Soma Imp	Aug 19th, 2004 07:39:02 AM
Jurassic Park was a weak series, all the films are stuffed full of conveniences and coincidences... this is exactly what the series needs. Fuck that pompous pseudo-scientific shit from the first 3, Jurassic Park 4: Dinosaurs with Chainguns will probably be the best film Steven "Every movie should end... fifty billion times!" Spielberg will ever make.
You mean its NOT Watergate-style break-ins involving geek comman by Tall_Boy	Aug 19th, 2004 08:44:02 AM
Shit! Way to ruin the illusion. Gonna read the review now... if I still have the spirit too. Goddamnit.
Good observations Woody... by Skyway Moaters	Aug 19th, 2004 11:04:17 AM
... I only mentioned the sub par cgi scripting to support my assertion that they simply don't care. It hasn't changed significantly in about 5 years. How does deleting a post hose the display order? I don't know. My point was: apparently AICN doesn't either...
This is unequivocable proof that there is a god, and he is compl by TV CASUALTY	Aug 19th, 2004 03:32:00 PM
Because something like this could never come to pass in a universe with rational rules. I'm in there like fuckin' swimwear.
Here's some more tips for the next "JP4." by screenplaywriter	Aug 19th, 2004 05:36:32 PM
1. Don't make it some quick little movie like "JP3" one of the things that bothers me the most is they didn't get to develop a story like "JP1" and "THE LOST WORLD." Now, some of you hypocritically claim the "LOST WORLD" sucked, or is underrated. Personally, that and 1 were the best of the series. Why? Because of the character and story development. Also, we didn't have no "raptors being smarter than primates and humans" logic talk and the raptors were more vicious and deadly in 1 & 2 than in 3. In 3 they were just for show. Nothing more, nothing less. 2. Don't bring in anymore kid actors. They should be disposed of permanently! 3. If someone is to play an older Lex than my guess would be the only woman who looks like her is Anne Heche, but we already know "she's one E.T. short of a flying saucer." 4. Have the Spinosaurus be in a couple of scenes, but like the T-Rex kill off it's character. Otherwise, it'll become a running cliche: "Top predator stays through whole movie, blah, blah, yeah seen it before." 5. Bring back the pterosaurs! Let's see some aquatic dinosaurs! 6. Have the dinosaurs on the two islands either escape, or die off due to a governmental bombing, or just their life expectancy has drawn thin. 7. An Alan Grant/Roland Tembo team-up picture would be great. 8. Jeff Goldblum, Vince Vaughn, and Laura Dern deserve to come back along with Richard Attenborough. 9. Have Dodgson be the bad guy. 10. Leave the raptors out of this one. Joe Johnston ruined their latter potential and character. Now, they're just cowardly pack-hunters who just snap people's necks, but don't pounce on them and eat the living shit out of them like before. 11. Lastly, end it with a bang, or a set-up to a possible "JP5" which I hope they don't do, but it would be a cool ending. Like say like Godzilla they miss one egg and it turns out is a dinosaur we've never seen before onscreen and the egg suddenly hatches and a claw rips across the screen. Fade to black. That'd be some cool shit!
The UN by BTR1701	Aug 19th, 2004 05:45:42 PM
Seems like a crazy idea for a movie. I also wonder about this-- "except the UN has outlawed any breeding of new dinosaurs by anyone and they've prohibited the sale, mining, or possession of amber worldwide." Since when does the UN have the authority to tell me or any other American citizen what we can and cannot possess?
Screenplaywriter by BTR1701	Aug 19th, 2004 06:10:02 PM
"I'd love to see the army take on the dinosaurs, but train their own dinosaurs to fight other dinosaurs." **** Huh? Why not just shoot the fuckers with anti-tank rounds? Train other dinosaurs? Give me a break. These are just big animals. One Apache helicopter squadron with 30 mm chain guns and Hellfire missiles could wipe these things off the planet.
No way did John Sayles write this by jimmythesaint	Aug 19th, 2004 07:27:33 PM
This is the guy who made Matewan for Chrissakes. Throw The Howling and Piranha (god, even Battle Beyond The Stars) in there to argue with me if you want, but I'm not buying that this is a real script at all. Are there actually people who write fake scripts as plants? That must be the most suck-ass job ever.
Hm. This sounds v. familiar. by AnnoyYou	Aug 19th, 2004 09:56:01 PM
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Tank Girl? Island of Dr. Moreau? Spy Kids 2? I, Robot? Ah, screw it. As Peter Allen used to say, everything old is new again.
David Boreanaz playing Nick? by epitone	Aug 20th, 2004 01:24:02 AM
http://www.darkhorizons.com/ne ws04/040819b.php He says he's signed on for the fourth film in a big franchise.
Look at the cheese fest JP3 was... now put this story to it! by TheGinger Twit	Aug 20th, 2004 08:35:48 AM

Jurrasic park IV by gbonkers	Aug 20th, 2004 12:43:01 PM
Okay...these guys aren't even trying and we all have just figured out that Spielberg has just sold out to the Money Gods$$$$
First pre-production shot! by SalvatoreGravano	Aug 20th, 2004 05:40:11 PM
Looks even better than the script! http://www.tommydavidson.com/I mages/Dioramas/Large/Ch37_01.j pg
the u. n. giving orders? by mikep	Aug 20th, 2004 08:46:48 PM
what a laugh.
meh by THX-1138	Aug 21st, 2004 02:16:36 AM
yep its me
I want to see this movie... by Zefram Mann	Aug 21st, 2004 03:51:41 PM
Moriarty is right (for once). The franchise has become so increadibly stale, that the only way TO do a sequal of any kind is to do something completely nuts. Face it people, the last two sequals were just the same friggin' movie done over. Watching these creatures brought to life the first, even the second time, was maybe enough to wow an audience, but after watching Ringwraiths on fell beasts the visuals alone just aren't gonna do it.
DINOSAURS ARE NOT BULLET-PROOF AND WIPING THEM OUT WOULD BE VERY by Noell	Aug 21st, 2004 10:10:56 PM
This script shows the big fault of this francise-dinosaurs are not bullet-proof and shooting them would be easy. That is why Jurassic Park 2 was soooo stupid because no-one shot at the dinosaurs. A T-Rex stomps through a US city and yet no-one fires a shot at it. it is time that this sereis stopped insutling viewers intelligence and just did a basic sequel like number 3 but this time the people shoot a rapter.
no no no by passing time	Aug 22nd, 2004 07:03:09 AM

Actually, there are thousands of dinosaurs they could introduce. by TheGinger Twit	Aug 22nd, 2004 08:17:42 AM

Mr. Dig Bick by one9deuce	Aug 22nd, 2004 01:06:56 PM
Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. Saving Private Ryan. Schindler's List, and yes, Jaws, E.T. and Jurassic Park. These movies will be around LONG after your ignorant self is dead and buried. To bad you won't get to see how strong his legacy will really be.
Roger Ebert once compared reading a script for an unreleased fil by jimdin2001	Aug 22nd, 2004 08:05:09 PM
which does he do more often?
TMND - Teenage Mutant Ninja Dinosaurs! by PaulieWalnuts	Aug 23rd, 2004 12:03:20 PM
Why the hell not?
okay, I'm not even going to go into everything I think about thi by Mithril	Aug 24th, 2004 01:15:35 PM
I gotta agree with a few of the other posters: 1) "no other dinosaurs to introduce without going into mutations"? WTF!?! The hundreds of different sizes and types of dinosaurs that lived in the air, in the sea and on land could provide plenty of fodder, not to mention cool dinosaurs only briefly mentioned in the previous movies or only mentioned in the books (the chameleonic dinosaurs from "Lost World" being the best example: f-ing cool as hell, more difficult to kill than a lot of the others and perfect movie fodder, but never introduced in the sequels for some strange reason -- Who the hell wants to see the t-rex for the millionth time while these bastards are never even shown?!?) 2) The need to breed special dinosaurs or engineer genetic diseases to kill the dinosaurs is dumb, since even the previous movies have shown that you can kill the damn dinosaurs with conventional weapons if you want - they don't have bullet-proof armor on or something! Just shoot or bomb the things! At least in this respect the "Lost World" chameleons could create a little tension as they could hide extremely effectively, but even then a simple heat-seeker could be utilised when taking them out...
this is turning into Planet of the Apes series by HarmoniumSaver	Aug 24th, 2004 04:57:59 PM
messing up EVERYTHING just for a new storyline. Who gives a FUCK? well, I really think they should have used the Shaving Cream from JP2, cuz that would have been easier and smarter than going 'another island?!?!?'...I HATE AMERICAN "ACTION" FILMS LATELY!!!!!!
You know how you know this is a shit idea? by Roguewriter	Aug 25th, 2004 12:19:46 PM
Because it's really obviously a shit idea! Bleaahhhh... Poor John Sayles, reduced to this. ALLIGATOR was primo '70s horror schlock, but someone ought to be paying the man to keep making his own minor masterpieces... Sheesh.
Agree with everyone who said just SHOOT the dinosaurs. by tav	Aug 25th, 2004 03:58:01 PM
Dino Dirty Dozen makes no sense in this context of world dino attack.
Casting rumours already by Thes	Aug 26th, 2004 05:33:16 AM
I've just read on Darkhorizons that David Boraneaz is set to star. Hmmmmm
It sounds better than The Terminal, anyway by Splicer	Aug 26th, 2004 05:43:47 AM
doesn't it???
Cool visually, but not logically. by SPY-der	Aug 27th, 2004 03:20:28 PM
Maybe what they could do is find out that the Baron von Drax is actually building his own smart-ass-dino military force for his own personal use and what Nick has to do in the end is try to outsmart even smarter and more lethal dinos than were ever faced in the first movie? Just a thought. Personally, I thought the idea of sending dinos to fight dinos sounded kind of cool. Then I realized that although it is cool, it's not really necessary: how bad-ass is a 'raptor when you pop it with an AK-47? The only reason the first film worked was because it was a small group of unarmed people who were caught in a worst-case scenario they weren't prepared for. As soon as the dinos become known and attack the rest of the world, you've got to imagine that military force would be the best and most likely solution, and not just small easily picked-off squads, we're talking battalions and divisions going on a dino hunt. Going through all the effort of breeding new smart dinos is a lot of work considering the prevalence of conventional weapons across the world. Maybe the way to get over that is to pit a single man against even smarter dinos. -- SPYder, out.
Re: Cool visually but not logically by zinc_chameleon	Aug 28th, 2004 09:06:12 PM
Good work, SPY-der. This script is making the same mistake as in Reign of Fire. Big animals are easy targets; hell, we knocked off most of the mastodons long before we invented bows and arrows. To make this work, the raptors etc. must emit dealy retroviruses. That's a legitimate danger in recreating a species from ancient tissue; as a matter of fact, remember the triceratops with the cold in JP1? That problem goes both ways. To make this script really really work, a stress-related retrovirus should be created when the raptors fight the dino-warriors; this too, is real science. Stress-related viruses are real.
Tssk tssk tssk by critic111	Apr 19th, 2005 09:53:45 AM
Jesus, this script thwarts the whole thesis and essence of Jurassic Park, which is to deliver a great film and inspire awe and excitement on the watchers... Dinosaurs are animals, they aren't human beings, they attack to survive, they don't plan all scale wars on an American country (and if they did, psh they wouldn't stand a chance.) The whole idea of the script is wrong, it was wrong since the beggining, but it became a whole lot defunct with the idea of bringing back Nedry's "Shaving Can" for those that have read the book, Nedry only had 36 hours to deliver the embryos otherwise they would be rendered useless... well it would not be a good idea to go back after 12 years looking for some shaving can. Oh and a side note, Isla Nublar was destroyed... Another thing,What's up with a castle and a whole team of dino mercs?! In my oppinion that gives the script a little bit of childish persona. I have to admit there are some strong points, like the begining but the idea of dinos attacking the mainland its not good at all in my opinion. What about Alan and Ian? Personally there is a great "plot" thesis online that I like, which involves the dissapearance of fishing boats of off the coast of Costa Rica, and Hammond admiting he had planned to build a park for aquatic animals (plesiosaur?). Thanks for hearing me out, critic111
hw by jacksass	Jun 11th, 2005 11:29:41 PM
fsa
WICKED by jacksass	Jun 11th, 2005 11:31:05 PM
THIS MOVIE SOUNDS WICKED BUT WHAT THE HELLS THE DEAL WITH THAT SHAVING CREAM PART??? THAT SHIT JUST BLEW MY ASS AWAY!!!
It begins again... by Mr. Love	Aug 15th, 2007 03:46:40 PM
This story is about to get hit hard again. Almost exactly three years later, this plot turns up on Bloody-Disgusting and zooms across the tubes.
jurassic park 4 by bazzawhite	Oct 7th, 2007 11:17:53 AM
they need to have a straight forwar story such as the un decide to send a task force to the 2 island to traqualise the dinsours and rebuild the park and make shore that the animals can not escape and rebuild john hammonds dream of people seeing the most amazing creatures that have ever walked the earth. but of course they have trouble along the way such as pochers coming in to take the animals for rich gits who want them and trouble with the dinosurs getting out during reconstruction but they get there in the end and all the old cast are there who are still alive including john hammond but to protect the people the only way they can see the animals is but helicopter or some sort of tunnel system and a full island fence to stop them getting of the island. lets just bring the story to a good end with hammonds dream coming true and what we would want it to be if it could be done today with hopes one day it will be.
since JP4 is pretty much dead... by The Amazing G	Jan 16th, 2009 07:08:59 AM
I would do back flips if I could read this script, does anyone have it?

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