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Celebrate FAHRENHEIT 9/11 in Crawford, Tx with Michael Moore Tomorrow!!! The Great, Down With The Man Screening!!!

Crap by JJforever	Jul 27th, 2004 12:48:07 PM
This event is destined to be nothing more than a turd of an evening.
Michael Moore should... by Christopher3	Jul 27th, 2004 12:48:51 PM
Go tell people to see Linda Rondstadt.
a one-termer by War_Tourist	Jul 27th, 2004 12:49:09 PM
...just like dad!
What's the point? by MC Lovecraft	Jul 27th, 2004 12:53:27 PM
This isn't going to advance anyone's cause. It's just posturing. I might care if the film's grand premier were being held in Crawford. That'd be interesting. But this is just kinda silly. Like kids chanting "nya nya nya-nya nya!"
While these conventions are complete wastes of time I still love by IndustryKiller	Jul 27th, 2004 01:04:37 PM
....Democrats are going to come off like rock stars and Republicans are going to come off as the boring, bad politics practicing, relics of the past that they are. I can't wait to hear those guys preaching their ass backwards social conservative racist agenda on a national level. They can't possibly come off a convention looking good. HAhahahaha I love it.
Scumbag by Achilles	Jul 27th, 2004 01:09:14 PM
This guy is shameless. OK, Moore, we get it. You hate Bush. The whole world knows. So you are going to go to his hometown and project your movie on the wall of the town hall? Enough! No more lying! Give us a break. Plenty of stuff to knock Bush for without making it all up, which is exactly what Moore does.
Michael Moore is on Bill O'Reilly tonight by SexyBeast	Jul 27th, 2004 01:09:37 PM
O'Reilly is going to completely embarass Moore
Moore's acting like someone who told a funny joke - and he's so by Retrace	Jul 27th, 2004 01:13:12 PM
Democrats looking like rock stars? Who? Jimmy Carter? Hillary? Howard Dean? Al Gore? They got the lowest ratings ever. You're an idiot IndustryKiller. Intelligencekiller.
You Moore haters are laughable. by WeedyMcSmokey	Jul 27th, 2004 01:25:02 PM
Bush is really the target of his attack by proxy and circumstance. He asks great questions about the country that no one in the esteemed journalism industry seems to ask. Plus, he's all for most of the people that are being fucked over. I wish he wasn't so damn partisan, but I wish the whole partisan country would get their head outta there ass.
DVD extras by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	Jul 27th, 2004 01:27:20 PM
I think this event will be an extra on the DVD, I wish I could get off of work, it sounds like a lot of fun. Although, another poster had a good point, some crazy right winger might decide to take matters into their own hands and do something drastic. I hope the event has plenty of security.
Soooo, you think you know "the truth"? by Pontsing Barset	Jul 27th, 2004 01:32:13 PM
Read this: http://www.commondreams.org/vi ews04/0716-02.htm Pretty damn well documented.
Another vacation? by mysteryperfecta	Jul 27th, 2004 01:41:46 PM
Very "Moore-esque" (or "Moore-onic"?) of Harry to say. Moore would be proud. In reality, it is a tradition/courtesy for the one party's nominee to stay out of the news during his opponent's convention. John Kerry will do the same. Meanwhile, tradition states that Harry will be in an intellectual haze during both conventions.
Michael Moore can eat some raw festering donkey ass. by FusionAddict	Jul 27th, 2004 01:44:42 PM
With the corn outta my shit on the side.
I can't wait to come to this site the day after the election... by banshee	Jul 27th, 2004 01:49:59 PM
when Bush wins his second term. I get the feeling it's going to be highly entertaining.
'Cause you value my opinion . . . by Enphilistor	Jul 27th, 2004 01:53:05 PM
Harry, just because I know you value my opinion so highly, I thought I should let you know that I continue to peruse your website DESPITE your continual, raptuous licking of Mike Moore's ass-crack . . . not because of it.
well Michael Moore got told to loose weight by billofill1982	Jul 27th, 2004 01:57:05 PM
When's Ralph Nader going to tell Harry to shed some lard?
Michael Moore rhymes with . . . by Hamlet3145	Jul 27th, 2004 01:58:48 PM
"cellar door." In other news, check out his hilarious eBay listing for a wedding band: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewItem&category=67728 &item=4914751419
Moore is a pathological liar by Durendal	Jul 27th, 2004 02:22:58 PM
http://www.davekopel.com/Terro r/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenhe it-911.htm has the scoop on FIFTY-SIX DIFFERENT SPINS, LIES, DECEITS, AND FABRICATIONS IN MOORE'S "DOCUMENTARY". Moore is a lying piece of shit. He even doctored a newspaper to turn a small letter to the editor into a headline! I hope the paper sues his ass. Shame on anyone that gives this guy their money. There are much better reasons to not like the Bush admin than the Goebels-esque propaganda that Moore shits onto the screen.
The truth behind the Liberals vs. Conservatives battle by Godardwhowhatnow	Jul 27th, 2004 02:31:42 PM
I don
Moore Vs. O'Reilly by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jul 27th, 2004 02:40:05 PM
I used to watch the O'Reilly Factor. I remember O'Reilly blasting Ludacris as a Pepsi sponsor and telling the American people to "send a clear message" to them by not buying their products. I remember the smug look on his face when Ludacris was dropped. The funny thing is, I also remember him denying the first two things happened when a guest called him on it a few motnhs later. And i won't even start with the whole "I've told one person to shut up in six years" debacle. OR the "Cut his mic!" fiasco. For all the viewers and listeners O'Reilly boasts about, he doesn't actually seem to think any of them ARE watching and listening. If I weren't already going to see him make a fool of himself at a showing of "Outfoxed" tonight, I'd be very interested to see him do it on live television with Michael Moore. Oh well, i'm sure i'll catch it on the net later. PS: Anchorman fans like Harry (and myself) will be pleased to hear director Adam McKay will be presenting a live sketch-comedy show during the RNC in September. The title? "George Bush is a Motherf**ker." Couldn't have said it better myself.
Sure, Michael Moore is a loudmouth--and it's about damn time the by Lance Rock	Jul 27th, 2004 02:44:34 PM
You'd think these whiny Republicans, long supporters of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, etc., could see the irony in their complaints about Moore! But no, they're just as whiny as the "liberals" they like to make fun of.
Geez... by godric	Jul 27th, 2004 02:49:36 PM
Geez, the way Michael Moore and co. are carrying on about where his film isn't being shown, you'd think it was a national law that it be shown everywhere. There was a big controversy in nearby Waco when the film didn't open there right away--the "censorship" accusation was thrown around, etc. But that's ridiculous. Waco's a small city. Crawford is way, way smaller than that. LOTS of films don't play here--to see them you just drive to Dallas or Austin. Napoleon Dynamite isn't playing here. The Blind Swordsman movie isn't playing here. I think Bush has handled all of the posturing and huff exactly correct--by ignoring it.
Pontsing Barset that article is pretty lame by Junior Frenger	Jul 27th, 2004 02:50:32 PM
Really? You guys can find something better than that. The article only makes vague referrences to other books.
Proving once again that Conservatives think and Liberals feel by Fawst	Jul 27th, 2004 02:59:00 PM
O'Reilly is right-wing? Are you fucking joking? He's independent, how can people not see that? Anyone who watches him or listens to the Radio Factor would understand that. It just so happens that the ideas he has are usually the right idea, and the right idea tends to be the Right idea. Not always, but often enough. I'd love to know how any of these liberals I hear from could ever justify taking someone's money out of their paycheck only to turn around and throw it on some worthless slob who won't get off their ass to make a living and need handouts from the Democrats to survive -- if by survive you mean downing 6-packs and smoking crack. Conservatives think -- spend wisely, be accountable. Liberals feel -- everyone is entitled to something, throw money at a problem and it will go away. Yah fuckin right. I can't wait to watch Moore try and slither out of fact-based information tonight on O'Reilly. Ready, Moore? Open mouth, insert foot, close mouth. Your purpose on Earth has been served, please go back to Mars.
More of Harry's Moore-onic Buttkissing by RickP66	Jul 27th, 2004 03:00:13 PM
Harry, you should pull your tongue out of Mickey Moore's ass long enough to read the book "Michael Moore is a Big, Fat, Stupid White Man." True, the title describes you as well, but it really is specific to Mickey Moore.
Neither Moore nor O'Reilly are going to "win" this argument. by IndustryKiller	Jul 27th, 2004 03:02:46 PM
They will have their duel and conservatives will say O'Reilly "won" and liberals will say Moore "won". Simple as that.
Btw Fawst get's the award for most asinine post yet. by IndustryKiller	Jul 27th, 2004 03:04:07 PM
It's funny cause it's true.
Man by SJB	Jul 27th, 2004 03:18:21 PM
Seems so easy to get reactions from right-wing nuts. But so far, you nutters are pretty lame. You give naming-calling a bad name.
Right Wing, Left Wing [shrugs]...I rather give them the middle f by Big Bad Clone	Jul 27th, 2004 03:25:12 PM
The far left will piss off people and the far right will piss off people. I don't like Bush's forgien policy and his education policy. I not voting for him, but Kerry doesn't do it for me either. And waht sucks is that national politics get most of our attention when state and local politics affect us a hell of a lot more.
Fawst, because not everyone is born into the same circumstances. by Vegas	Jul 27th, 2004 03:27:47 PM
There are a lot of intelligent people out there born into horrible situations of poverty and abuse who will never be able to escape those situations working minimum wage at McDonald's in a crime-ridden neighborhood with nobody giving a shit about them. The government can take those people and give them the support necessary for them to contribute their gifts to society. Yes, there are going to be people who take advantage of the situation, just like there are people who still collect social security despite having millions in the bank account. But the system exists for a good reason, and besides, both conservatives AND liberals want to take money out of paychecks. It's just the conservatives want to take it out of the paychecks of everyone BUT the wealthy, and the liberals think that those who benefit most from the system (the wealthy) should put more into that system to protect their investment in us, the working class.
testing by ATARI	Jul 27th, 2004 03:33:56 PM

fawst is a COMIC GENIUS by War_Tourist	Jul 27th, 2004 03:34:31 PM
"He's independent, how can people not see that? Anyone who watches him or listens to the Radio Factor would understand that. It just so happens that the ideas he has are usually the right idea, and the right idea tends to be the Right idea." That's the funniest shit I've read in a long time! Lol!
Expectations met by WillowFan2001	Jul 27th, 2004 03:47:10 PM
The minute I heard about this screening, I decided to break my vow to never come to this site again. I just KNEW Harry would have something on it. And once again, I was absolutely right. Harry's continual promotion of this pack of lies disguised as a film makes me feel just that much more justified in my earlier decision. Gone now...
One morbidly obese factually-challenge film geek supporting anot by devil0509	Jul 27th, 2004 03:50:48 PM
Sigh, brings a tear of sentimental joy to my cynical eye.
A Beutiful thing by Tsunami3G	Jul 27th, 2004 04:03:03 PM
God bless Michael Moore. I wish I could be there to bask in the warm glow of the truth. November can't get here fast enough.
A Beautiful thing by Tsunami3G	Jul 27th, 2004 04:06:06 PM
Spelling counts! :-)
So what would I "learn" from this movie? by ejcarter9	Jul 27th, 2004 04:38:54 PM
Enlighten me.
WillowFan2001 by ejcarter9	Jul 27th, 2004 04:43:50 PM
I've often been tempted to leave this site in disgust, but like Ben & Jerry's, the product is pretty tasty even if the people behind it are politically whacked.
Lumpy Riefenstahl by labowski	Jul 27th, 2004 04:47:10 PM
Michael Moore is a maggot that eats off the dead, period.
What will be the fantasy film with the biggest gross this summer by Atticus Finch	Jul 27th, 2004 04:53:43 PM
Moore is nothing more than a glorified carnival barker shilling lies and false propaganda. The sad thing is that some of you lap dogs are actually eating it up.
There is more truth in "HAROLD AND KUMAR GO TO WHITE CASTLE" tha by Grabthars_Hammer	Jul 27th, 2004 04:54:16 PM

It's funny... by Childe Roland	Jul 27th, 2004 04:57:13 PM
...but I've noticed a distinct shift in the posture of the usually devout Bush backers in the Moore-related talkbacks. It's gone from calling those who question the current administration and its foreign policy "traitors" to admitting that there is plenty to knock Bush for. Apparently the discussions in previous forums have inspired them to check the facts for themselves and stop arguing about Moore's movie. Given this concession, I will make one of my own. Moore is a collosal disappointment. He has a real opportunity, given the stage he has set for himself and the ample facts at his disposal, to play it straight and let those damning facts tell the story without a lot of trickery and hyperbole. He doesn't do that, unfortunately, and - in the eyes of thinking, reasoning people - he ends up undermining the argument he's trying to make. I'm typically not partisan in my politics. I treat the world's ideas like a buffet table and weigh the complete laundry lists of the candidates vying for my vote to see which ones line up best with my perhaps inconsistent ideology. But Bush is a buffoon... a patsy for a corrupt industrial/military machine that didn't even bother to cover its tracks because it assumed We the People would be too stupid or too caught up in the heat of a patriotic moment to ask questions like "Why are we doing this again?" For that, I have to vote him out, even if I remain completely unimpressed by Kerry. Change, in this instance, can only be good. If Moore is truly a proponent of that change, the best thing he could do to serve it at this point would be to shut the hell up.
... by Aragorn II	Jul 27th, 2004 05:03:04 PM
Stupid showboating. Get over yourselves already.
truth doesnt matter, only accusations by vekt0r	Jul 27th, 2004 05:06:31 PM
thats what politics have come to.
Moore vs. O'Reilly pt. 2 by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jul 27th, 2004 05:09:22 PM
Someone said it earlier, and it's true. Both sides will claim their champion won, depsite both probably taking quite a few hits. I already read a report today that it's little more than a shouting match. I like F9/11, but as a friend pointed out to me, it shouldn't be considered a true "documentary," but more of a commentary piece. Docos are supposed to be impartial, and Michael Moore is gleefully not. To call F9/11 a documentary is the same as calling Fox News "fair and balanced." Anyone can clearly see neither is true, but the entertainment they provide to their equally rabid fan bases more than makes up for the lack of factual accuracy. That's why fox is #1 and F9/11 just grossed $100 mil. Most people don't care if it's right or not as long as it's compelling and it fits into our own worldview. And now, back to work.
Come on, don't you want a SEQUEL to F/911? Then you should be ro by Smash Drama	Jul 27th, 2004 05:14:59 PM
I hear that the propaganda will be better in F/911 2, Bush will get to take on TWO villains this time (Kim Jong Il and Jaques Chirac will be played by Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones) there will be far more CGI special effects, but unfortunately Moore also wants to further develop the love story aspect, so there will be a lot of places to get popcorn and go to the bathroom. Also, watch for Condi to finally change her hair style and switch over to more snazzy looking Hoth duds.
Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man by Blok Narpin	Jul 27th, 2004 05:37:06 PM
There is a new book about Moore entitled, Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man. Everyone who sees this movie should read the book so they know the facts about Moore. He is dishonest. His film's manipulate the truth, and at time out and out lie. Read the book. Don't be fooled by Moore.
endless amusement by lopan	Jul 27th, 2004 05:39:52 PM
I love Michael Moore if for no other reason than he gets conservatives' panties all in a bunch. Nothing is funnier than a stammering, indignant Republican resorting to lame insults just cause some guy bothered to express his opinion. Michael Moore talkbacks are always the funniest, keep it up guys!
Bush's America by IMHO	Jul 27th, 2004 05:44:44 PM
Forget F9/11, which I'm sure 95% of the Moore-bashers have never seen, if you want to see America's future under Bush, just look at what is going on in Boston. http://boston.indymedia.org/fe ature/display/24076/index.php Of course, the Democrocks are completely complicit in this actrocity; these oxymoronically, offensively labeled "free speech zones". They should all be hanged. This is also going on wherever Bush campaigns. If you have an anti-Bush article of clothing, you will be arrested; if you are allowed to get in to see the Emperor at all(I'm not making this up). If you want to protest, you're cordoned off into a cage or behind the porta-potties so as the King isn't disturbed by your negativity. The terrorist have won; it is over.
politics are not the answer by stvnhthr	Jul 27th, 2004 05:46:14 PM
When will people stop putting all their hope in one political party or the other? Face the facts. Yes, Bush is not perfect. No, F9/11 is not close to being entirely factual. No one could of prevented 9/11 from happening without a crystal ball. With over 2000 years of recorded history we should all pretty much agree people in positions of power are incapable of fixing all the World's problems; stop expecting them to. Support the individual who is of greatest character and not just an polished camera presence.
Wow, man, the e-mails have disappeared!!!!! by Lord_Soth	Jul 27th, 2004 05:46:33 PM
The talkback looked a bit unusual and that's it! No more e-mails!
F9/11 is a great DOCUMENTARY by Shevek	Jul 27th, 2004 05:52:01 PM
Many folks are under the impression that documentary need to be totally impartial. This is absolutely not true. most documentaries, particularly those documenting the life of an oppressed minority or of the extinction of a particular rainforest or about drig running or whatever, have an agenda. They are made because the filmmakers WANT to express a point of view. Speaking as a history graduate, I can testify to the fact that even most historical textbooks (compare your high school textbook, which are made in a competative market to be okayed by conservative committees, to stuff by Howard Zinn for example) have a point of view. The trick is not bias; it is accuracy. Moore previously failed the accuracy smell test with Bowling for Columbine (chiefly, in his tricky editting of Heston speeches and the innuendos he put forwards about when they were held) but he really came through in Fahrenheit. It is a very accurate picture and, while its not even handed, it is a triumph in documentary filmmaking. I think it may be one of the best documentaries I have ever seen and certainly does a good job at stating and supporting strong criticisms against the sitting President, our lax media and current US policy. Attaboy, Mike.
"Fahrenheit" is propaganda only in the sense that it makes Bush by 007-11	Jul 27th, 2004 06:06:27 PM
It is a documentary in the sense that the facts(yeah, facts) presented are just that, facts. I have seen the movie twice, when it opened and then again after watching everyone air grievances and rip it apart. I watched it the second time with an intensity and scrutiny that I have never employed elsewhere. The only one lying and twisting words of others are those that are tearing this documentary down. I catalogued every piss and moan in my head and as the film wore on I was able to call bullshit on every last one. Not to mention that everything in the documentary was corroborated elsewhere in print and newsreports. Everytime I hear some jackass say "Websters defines a documentary as a film based in fact, but "Fahrenheit 9/11" does not meet that criteria", as I said before, the only one lying to your face are those that have torn down this documentary.
I wasn't going to say anything, but 07-11 is forcing me to. by FluffyUnbound	Jul 27th, 2004 06:19:38 PM
How much of the film is devoted to attempting to connect Bush to bin Laden by listing intervening contacts? That entire section of the film is McCarthyist trash. Obviously, you're a moron, because this has to be explained to you: all arguments, always and everywhere, presented in the form "Person A is related to Person B, who is friends with a relative of Person C" are fallacies, that have no truth content, and convey no information. They are simply smears, and for their persuasive power they are completely dependent on the credulousness of idiots, who believe [falsely, in their stupidity] that they prove something. Nice to see that it worked on you.
Anybody around here interested in being just a tad bit civil? by blendo75	Jul 27th, 2004 06:20:51 PM
Not everyone on here thinks Moore is an asshole. I've always thought he was a funny and thoughtful guy (used to watch his old TV show). I'm more conservative than some people on here,I'm a Christian and I'm a gun owner (but not an NRA member). So.. of course I dont agree with everything Moore believes, but what's being said about him here and elsewhere is vicious nonsense. I've seen F9/11 and there isnt a single lie or falsehood in it that is presented as a FACT. And NO I'm NOT being sarcastic! All of the info about Bush's business wheelings and dealings can be found by anyone who takes the time to read up on it, Moore's movie just puts it together in an entertaining package. And it IS entertaining, it's actually a really good movie. There are parts of it that are interviews with people that are giving their OPINIONS, which you might disagree with, but if you believe in your own opinion you ARENT TELLING A LIE when you express that opinion. The real problem you have with this movie is that most people arent going to come away from it feeling too good about our current situation and our current administration. If so then that's the administration's fault, NOT MOORE's.
Oh and for Fluffy and the rest that havent seen the movie... by blendo75	Jul 27th, 2004 06:32:10 PM
F9/11 NEVER, EVER tries to connect Bush with Bin Laden. Never, ever, ever. What it does imply is that Bush is being protective of the Saudi's, and the Bin Laden family because they are his friends and fellow financiers. Also that they probably have had an effect on decisions that were made after 9/11, which is TRUE. It's nothing like "BUSH LOVES OSAMA". In fact, one of the points the movie makes quite clearly is that the Bush family and friends are simply interested in making money and arent egaging in "evil" conspiracies or "taking over the world". In fact there is no vast conspiracy, it's all right there for anyone to read about. If you are knowledgable enough there wont be a thing you will learn about the Bush family Saudi connection that you didnt already know.
Nicole 21 = Wacko by Sidious-1138	Jul 27th, 2004 06:33:11 PM
Please tell me that post was a joke. I've seen your irrational rants before (like the one about gays persecuting straights in Canada or something bizarre like that) but this takes the cake. --------------------- And btw, did any of you Moore haters actually SEE the movie? It's definitely biased, but it's also pretty good. The footage shot in Iraq showing what our soldiers are facing and the real human impact of this war should be seen by everyone. It's actually quite patriotic.
Good Point FluffyUnbound by IMHO	Jul 27th, 2004 06:36:19 PM
Fluffy said: '"Person A is related to Person B, who is friends with a relative of Person C" are fallacies, that have no truth content, and convey no information. They are simply smears, and for their persuasive power they are completely dependent on the credulousness of idiots, who believe [falsely, in their stupidity] that they prove something.' However, this is also one of the 'supposed' reasons we invaded Iraq. That one or two of Saddam agents supposedly at one time or another had a meeting with a member of Al Qa'eda, therefore we must invade and occupy the country. The 911 commission says these talks led nowhere. Too bad for all, as you put it, 'credulousness of idiots, who believe [falsely, in their stupidity] that they prove something.' F9/11 is propaganda, just like the disinformation the government was, and still is, peddling about the Iraqi threat.
Down with BUSH!!!!! by Russman	Jul 27th, 2004 06:43:27 PM
What would be great is at the end of the film everyone starts to chant "Fuck George Bush". It would be beautiful.
Way to go, Fawst by Sidious-1138	Jul 27th, 2004 06:54:00 PM
You so beautifully illustrate the core hatred and elitism of neo-con dogma. You are so indoctrinated to blame the single welfare mother who collects $400 a month for high taxes and the deficit. Or you could blame the many giant US corporation that reap billions of dollars in profits, take advantage of billions of dollars of "corporate welfare", get enormous government contracts and then pay NO taxes. Yeah, makes perfect sense. Get real. Sure, some people take advantage of the system, but even more really need the help. I don't want to live in a country where we throw people out on the streets to starve when they are down on their luck. And I don't like to view my fellow Americans as "some worthless slob". Not a very Christian attitude. The few people who do take advantage still only account for a tiny fraction of government money spent. And your glorious Bush has spent and pissed away more money than any other president in history and created a deficit that we and our children will be paying off for years.
one question for pro-Bush Moore-haters by Kida_Greenleaf	Jul 27th, 2004 07:05:33 PM
you support president bush, right? you believe this war is good. you believe the lost lives of our soldiers and iraqi civilians have been, ahem, worth it? so i guess my main question for you is this: what the f are you doing posting on this website? SIGN UP! head on over to iraq, or afghanistan if you prefer. it's your president's war. you believe it's a good fight. GO.
So Much Ignorance, So Little Time by Roboteer	Jul 27th, 2004 07:07:14 PM
Just a layman's note about fairness in the income tax. Even after the across the board tax cuts previously implemented, the top 10% pay 64.4% of the total collected. The top 5% pay 51.2 %. By comparison the lowest 40%, who also benefitted from the Bush tax cuts by many being removed from the tax roles entirely, actually get 0.3% of the total collected back in earned income credits. So, about 43% pay nothing on average while about 9% who take all the risk pay half. Source: the IRS and taxpolicycenter.com.......Ther e is no argument that tax cuts, to a point, stimulate the economy. Bush inherited a recession, the worst market collapse since '29, and terror induced lack of consumer confidence. The cuts have had exactly the desired stimulus as the economy expands, 1.5 million new jobs have been created, consumer confidence is the highest in 20 years, and the revenue base has increased. It worked, just like it did for Reagan. ....The point is as taxes go up and there is less real return on capital, the willingness to invest and take risks diminishes. Increasing taxes on the wealthy from already high levels is not likely to generate that much additional return, lowers the capital available for reinvestment, and could in fact lower the revenue base on which it is collected. All of which doesn't matter a whit to any in the Hate America First crowd. They aren't interested in facts..... It should also be noted that previous multimillionaire Michael Moore is now one of the wealthier filmmakers around. Ironic, that an old line anti-American Marxist could himself be so successful in a system/country he so despises. Kerry/Edwards net worth is $1.07 billion. About 15 times Bush/Cheny's $67 million. I guess they all must be crooks, getting rich on the backs of the poor.
The Elite by Sidious-1138	Jul 27th, 2004 07:07:18 PM
It's so bizarre to me how you neo-cons still repeat that crap about democrats be "elitist". Democrats are for everyone - whites, minorities, gays, blue collar, white collar, non-Christians, rich, poor, etc. The neo-cons are the ones who hate everyone that is not rich and white and hetero. That elitist crap is just a ploy used by true elitists like Rush "drug addict" Limbaugh. -------------------- A Bush quote from F9/11 says it all plainly - "Here were are, that haves and the have mores. Some call you the Elite. I call you my base"
Someone please explain the rationale behind the statement that M by Sidious-1138	Jul 27th, 2004 07:15:35 PM
You neo-cons robotically repeat it but it really makes no sense. Since when does exposing mistakes by a President mean you hate America? If so, that Ken Starr is the biggest traitor ever. Based on viewing the movie, my impression is that Moore loves America deeply and wants to expose incompetence and corruption that has ruined our World reputation and caused the needless deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis. It is not unpatriotic to question authority. I have never heard Moore say or imply that he hates the US.
what??????? by Kida_Greenleaf	Jul 27th, 2004 07:17:07 PM
Moore is anti-American? i thought those bastards who took the dixie chicks off the air and destroyed their cd's were anti-American. i thought the people who threw linda ronstadt out were anti-American. i think that the people at slim fast who let go of Whoopi Goldberg for making bush jokes were anti-American. we have the FREEDOM of SPEECH and we will use it. anyone who tries to stop that is frankly a McCarthy-type lunatic and, dare I say it, ANTI-AMERICAN. take your witch hunts and move to china if that's what you want.
sweet by raker	Jul 27th, 2004 07:59:09 PM
moore ain't afraid to go to bat.
Ben Affleck did great on O'Reilly by SexyBeast	Jul 27th, 2004 08:09:14 PM
If you saw Affleck on O'Reilly that is how people should conduct themselves. None of this insane ramblings about Police States or how Bush is evil and the son of Hitler. Affleck has a rational and reasonable political philosophy. Harry could learn something from his buddy Affleck.
Harry the Paranoid Nutjob by BTR 1701	Jul 27th, 2004 08:16:14 PM
"The FBI is watching"? Yeah, right. Like the Bureau doesn't have anything better to do than surveil a bunch of long-hair smelly morons cheer a propaganda film. "Could be shut down by the authorities"? What the hell are you smoking? The movie has been shown in theaters all over the nation but the "authorities" are going to shut this particular showing down? Why? What possible benefit would there be for doing such a thing, especially in the face of the massive lawsuits and hysterical liberal screeching that would follow? This kind of ridiculous paranoia would be funny if it weren't so damn sad.
That's fair, IMHO. by FluffyUnbound	Jul 27th, 2004 08:17:58 PM
I think the two arguments you are comparing there are quite similar - similarly flawed. I'm more than happy to agree with you.
Free speech... by Poacher	Jul 27th, 2004 08:20:14 PM
...doesn't mean other people can't express their opinion back. Someone like Linda Ronstadt is paid by the owners of a casino to sing her songs and entertain and please the audience. If she says something or does something the audience doesn't like, she's not fufilling her contract of entertaining and the people who are paying her can STOP paying her. It's not a violation of free speech when you're not doing your job well, it's called being fired. It's not McCarthyism. People don't have to pay anyone they don't want to pay. The guy didn't fire her based on his own opinion. He fired her because the audience was unhappy. She can say whatever the hell she wants, that's her right as an American, but needs to realize that there can be consequences when people are paying you. If anything this is probably the best thing for her career in years, her ass was all over the news for a day.
whats the deal with all the flags in america on all the homes!!! by speed	Jul 27th, 2004 08:28:53 PM
you freaks. i've been here 1 week and all i can dream about is the american flag. it's driving me crazy. i know it's to support the troops and it's important, but from an outsider's point of view it's fuckin scary as shit and a little insane. i sort of feel like i'm in clive barker world. apart from that you are the friendliest bastards i have ever met. not like those canadian punks. been up there twice in the last week and both times was amazed at the level of rudeness. apart from the strippy i can't imagine why anyone would want to live there. it's fuck-off cold most of the time. and why is it you conservatives hate MICHAEL MOORE? if he is a liar and piece of lard then you've got nothing to worry about. it's hilarious seeing you all get into a tizzy fit about him. i'm sure harry just posts that stuff for a bit of a stir sometimes. classic stuff.
I see the future of presidential elections by cornstalkwalker	Jul 27th, 2004 08:30:52 PM
everyone complains about how horrible the current president is and then the guy running against him seems to get the job just because. I have not heard one person say any reason why I should vote for Kerry. Anythings better than Bush doesn't count as a legitimate reason.
M.M. loves himself more than the truth. by g_mo_d	Jul 27th, 2004 08:47:36 PM
F911 was brainless propaganda for the Wallmart masses. Fuck-off M.M.
If we're REALLY lucky, at this Texas screening cattle will get l by Triumph poops!	Jul 27th, 2004 08:49:41 PM
Then again, being the overly bloated fat piece of shit he is, the cattle might just hit him and bounce off his blubber harmlessly. Perhaps that's why Moore is such a fucking disgusting whale -- it's his own self-defense mechanism. But still, one can only hope. GO COWS! STAMPEDE!
Kida_Greenleaf - Free Speech has consequences by Peirce	Jul 27th, 2004 09:38:55 PM
Boycotting is American. In capitalism, you give other people money. If you are informed, you know what they do with that money. If you don
Harry, since you brought back the Michael Moore talkback, can yo by FluffyUnbound	Jul 27th, 2004 09:58:04 PM
Since Terry Heinz is giving a speech tonight claiming that Kerry will begin to reverse climate change - but strangely, there isn't a single reference to global warming in the Democratic platform, and Kerry hasn't articulated a single policy idea - not one - that would reduce the net amount of greenhouse gases emitted worldwide. Maybe Kerry is going to reverse climate change by getting everyone to not fart or something. Tell us, Terry. Kerry is the anti-war candidate who won't make a statement against the war, he's the pro-gay candidate who won't support gay marriage, he's the pro civil liberties candidate who won't repudiate his Patriot Act vote and wants to establish a domestic spy agency generalissimo, and now he's also the anti global warming candidate with no anti global warming policy platform. Kerry has gotten more credit for policies he hasn't espoused than any President since Lincoln. There's an entire phantom platform out there we're supposed to accept that Kerry supports, despite the fact that he won't speak any of it out loud. Maybe if he starts making campaign appearances with a thought balloon over his head so I can see the things he's thinking that he won't say, he'll have a better chance to win. Michael Moore is a pinhead, but at least you know that what he says bears a passing resemblance to his actual positions.
MICHEAL MOORE RAPED BILL O'REILLY TONIGHT! by ChristianZane	Jul 27th, 2004 11:25:11 PM
What an ass kicking that was (I'm an Independent BTW), all O'Reilly did was chant his robotic mantra about WMD, Moore totally out debated that partisan freakshow, it was kinda sad to watch actually.
Vacation... by FNORDcinco1	Jul 27th, 2004 11:35:46 PM
He's actually not really vacationing, during conventions the opponent as a curtesy takes time off from campaigning.
you can download the reilly/moore debate by slappy jones	Jul 28th, 2004 12:12:18 AM
at fox.com.... moore beat him hands down.......
I seriously can't wait until Bush wins AGAIN! It will mean the e by Grabthars_Hammer	Jul 28th, 2004 12:16:53 AM

Vote independant for Christ's sake. by Lezbo Milk	Jul 28th, 2004 12:19:03 AM
Don't believe Moore, Bush or Kerry. Take the info, compile it and make up your own mind. I always get a kick out of how the youth on college campuses around the country buy into the ultra-libirtarian bullshit that professors spew out on a regular basis. College is such fun. You have no responsibilities other than to pass your classes, get laid, and try and figure out how you are going to scrounge up tomorrow nights beer money, all while keeping the parents happy so the golden tit doesn't dry up. I get an equal kick out of how, after graduation, and once the career kicks in, and people start seeing thier tax money fly out of thier paychecks at an astonishing rate...once liberal college hippy, save the whale wanna be's...suddenly find themselves becoming quite conservative. Now I'm not a Bush supporter, and I'm not a Kerry supporter either. Those of you who think Kerry lives on the same planet as the rest of us are dolts. Billionairs live in a different world than we do folks. Anyways, my advise is to be an independant voter. Both sides are full of shit in thier own way, so don't take any of it. Stop taking partisan sides and start taking the side of common sense. Maybe then we will get someone half way decent to vote for.
Bill O'Reilly laid the smackdown on michael moore tonight!!! by Snake Pliskin	Jul 28th, 2004 01:33:23 AM
MAN, THAT WAS GREAT! MOORE WAS A BABBLING FOOL THE WHOLE TIME! WHAT A FAT PIECE OF SHIT... here's my pledge - when Bush wins in november, I shall fill the talkbacks with BUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSHHHHHH!!! for an entire year!!!!! yes!!!! WWWWWOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Mace Windex: "The stealing of California via the GOP's scheme o by Triumph poops!	Jul 28th, 2004 01:42:57 AM
Earth to moron: Arnie became goveneror riding a tidal wave of anger directed at a DEMOCRATIC governor -- in a state that is highly democratic leaning to begin with -- simply because Gray Davis was an utter buffoon. Not to mention, most likely on the take and a criminal given some of the energy contracts he bought up out there, paying ridiculous fees to import energy into the state. Yet magically, Davis gets his ass booted and now that Arnie is in offic, this summer LA is sweltering just as much as wever and what a shock! Suprising the grid is holding fine, with no need for governor implosed rolling blackouts like Davis instituted. Gray Davis was a joke. The electorate kicked him out democratically in a landslide vote...and now Arnold is actually riding a tidal wave of popularity himself. A recent poll found that his approval rating is higher than any of the 4 previous governors, even higher than when Reagan was in power OR Jerry Brown in their heydays. In fact, for all your talk of a GOP scheme to install Arnie, currently Arnie enjoys a 60% approval rating from Democrats as well. But that's ok -- I'm sure it's easier to live in your dream world and rant, rather than join the rest of us in reality.
"Unfairenheit" -- Critique of Moore from a sane perspective by truthseekr1488	Jul 28th, 2004 01:45:46 AM
Unfairenheit 9/11: The lies of Michael Moore. http://slate.msn.com/id/210272 3/ By Christopher Hitchens ...... EXCERPTS ...... To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.' .... Read the freaking review at http://slate.msn.com/id/210272 3
LMAO at you libs. Tonight O'Reilly bent Moore over , used his a by Triumph poops!	Jul 28th, 2004 01:58:14 AM
Their debate was a joke. Moore couldn't even form literate answers to questions HE was trying to bring up in desperate attempts to shift the discussion when he knew O'Reilly had his bitch ass owned. Moore was a babbling mess, clearly outclassed and realizing that once again he has NO points to make -- well, other than spreading his hatred for anything and anyone that DOESN'T agree with St. Michael Moore. But it was a riot to see Moore on the show again -- given that he was such the girlie man squealing bitch pig he didn't even take O'Reilly up on the offer to come back for months. Moore tried to play it up like he was being avoided, that no one wanted to go up against him, when in TRUTH O'Reilly was saying nightly "Hey, anytime fat boy. Name the date you want to come on, we'll book you." But given the way Moore loves to totally rewrite history, you won't find that on his website. On the other hand, my favorite bullshit Moore stance is when he continually brings up the emotional question to someone (as he did tonight to O'Reilly) "Would you send your kid to Iraq? Would you send him to Fallujah?" Hey, here's a newflash, fat boy. When you enlist in the military -- and it is a VOLUNTEER armed services -- when you sign on the dotted line and enlist, you don't get to pick which pleasure spots vs. which hot spots in the world you get to go to. You GO where the Commander-in-Chief or Joint Chiefs or Pentagon or Congress TELL YOU to go. This isn't a voting situation. You don't get to sit in a bunk and say "You know, I think I'll sit out that whole landing on Normandy beach bit. But call me if you attack a place where I can go surfing and get a tan and hang out with bikini chicks." Sorry, the military doesn't work that way -- though apparently in the truly fucked up mental world of a piece of shit like Michael Moore, it does. Or rather, he thinks it should. Thank God liberal idiots like Moore and company rarely come to REAL power (ie. controlling the White House or Congress) otherwise we'd have the shittiest military in the world instead of the finest. But, again, I'm sure Micheal Moore AND his delusional supporters think he won the debate with O'Reilly. But go ahead. Live in denial. Come November, Moore is in for the fucking greatest bitchslap to the head with Bush wins. If we're lucky, the shock of that will cause Moore to have an immediate coronary and the world will have flushed one more piece of worthless shit away.
Haven't seen F11 and don't plan to, but if Limbaugh, O'Reilly, H by FrankDrebin	Jul 28th, 2004 03:13:18 AM
Sounds like the Cons are just upset that the Libs are now fighting fire with fire.
Moore Better Bring A Bullent Proof Vest by johnkerrysgay	Jul 28th, 2004 03:19:51 AM
Money says Moore's big Communist Ass will be shot off if he tries to come to this movie. That man is nothing but sick trash.
Join the Fight to take down the Left by johnkerrysgay	Jul 28th, 2004 03:24:39 AM
www.protestwarrior.com Michael Moore's Worse Nightmare!
Anyone who thinks either Moore or O'Reilly definitively won is c by IndustryKiller	Jul 28th, 2004 03:36:41 AM
That argument was dead even. Neither one said anything that would make the opposing side see it their way. Moore clearly flustered O'Reilly when he all but made him admit he wouldn't sacrafice a child for this war and O'Reilly clearly pointed out that Moore in fact would invade another country under the right circumstances. I would say that O'Reilly has no point whatsoever when he says that Bush did not lie and simply had no idea the information was bad. It's obvious that whethere he "lied" outright he was in no hurry to have that information disproven before going to war.
As for JohnKerryisgay... by IndustryKiller	Jul 28th, 2004 03:38:13 AM
Nice moniker....racist. There now all your points are effectively moot.
I dont really understand what the big fuzz is about by Fuzhi	Jul 28th, 2004 04:14:28 AM
I mean the movie didnt really had anything new to offer. Almost all it showed had already been in the media (at least in Europe). And Oldboy is an amazing movie and should have easily beaten F911 in Cannes. but of course if this movie actually can help to get rid of Bush (even though it dosent offer anything new) you wont hear me complaining.
jachondo by CuervoJones	Jul 28th, 2004 04:52:51 AM
this guy is a jachondo
There's a difference between... by JimboLo	Jul 28th, 2004 05:44:26 AM
... signing up in the army to "go surfing and get a tan and hang out with bikini chicks" and signing up because you feel it is your duty to protect your country only to be sent to invade a country that is not a threat to you just because some lying monkey feels like watching a cool fireworks display.
losers by phoebe666	Jul 28th, 2004 08:33:05 AM
I am still shocked to see you how many losers are out there who think that Bush is a good president. Anyone who supports this useless sack of shit has a serious mental and/or personality flaw. What the hell is wrong with you?! What does it take for you to realize what a nazi scumbag him and his entire administration are?
This could well be a turning point in American culture by TheGinger Twit	Jul 28th, 2004 08:57:31 AM
It could become an absolute outrage of unprecidented scope that the whole damn government crumbles and American are at war with the elite leaders who believe they can bomb the fuck out of anyone in the free world, but wont dare harm their own people because they are the greatest. Lets see if that changes. Or it could be just be like all the other millions of screenings that the world is now enjoying - and laughing at... as in laughing at what the bush administration is. Thank you Michael Moore.
All you Bush supporters... by TheGinger Twit	Jul 28th, 2004 09:26:22 AM
In Bushworld - It's their reality. We just live and die in it. In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home. In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror. In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power. In Bushworld, we can win over Falluja by bulldozing it. In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis can express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down. In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you're insisting you're not planning. In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes. In Bushworld, it's O.K. to run for re-election as the avenger of 9/11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from. In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations. In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity. In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about Al Qaeda's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush. In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized. In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America. In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day. In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections. In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away. In Bushworld, the C.I.A. says it can't find out whether there are W.M.D. in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are W.M.D. In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft. In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists. In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war. In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9/11 commission like the Olsen twins. In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements. In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops. In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information. In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack" as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld.
If you're between the age of 16 - 30 .... Bush has the draft on by TheGinger Twit	Jul 28th, 2004 09:27:31 AM
Do some checking.
Moore haters are starting to sound ridiculous. by Jimbo TFU	Jul 28th, 2004 11:17:36 AM
I think it's a sad indication of the level of media manipulation and the control that America's government has over its citizens that brute facts regarding the governmental corruption can still be met with denial. I would ask all these Moore haters to actually watch the film before you accuse him of being guilty of treason or being unpatriotic. He doesn't hate his country, he just despairs about the way it's being run. You might not like the way he presents his information (I sometimes wish he'd do it in a less gimmicky way so that everybody would take him seriously) but it doesn't alter the fact that a good portion of it is undeniably true. I can't see how anybody could disagree with Moore's efforts to bring enlightenment to everyone about the true nature behind governmental decisions and the fact that Clinton wasn't the first or last president to lie...interesting that he was threatened with impeachment for having an affair yet Bush gets away with what are, in effect, war crimes - i.e. going to war under false pretences (putting forward false intelligence reports that there are W.M.D's in Iraq) then changing the reason for the war half way through (the ''liberation'' of Iraq) when the only reason for the war was financial concerns. If he really cared about liberation then he would've invaded a hundred other countries instead of trading arms with them....a war against terrorism is meaningless - it's like a ''war against evil''. At the very least, Moore is awakening public interest in politics which must be a good thing and might even prevent Arnold Swarzenegger being elected on the back of a few catchphrases. God help the world if he is.
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori? by Jimbo TFU	Jul 28th, 2004 11:40:34 AM
Reading all this talkback is interesting....it does seem that the anti-moore people have little to level against him other than he's ''fat'' or other irrelevant insults. You guys don't make your opinions particularly persuasive if you resort to name-calling. Some could indeed argue that some of the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 suffer from inaccuracies, but it doesn't detract from the point that a good deal of them are true. Also, the kind of legal advisers that were employed to go through the film with a fine-tooth comb (to prevent it from being seen as slanderous) betrays a genuine interest in presenting what is factually accurate, while the Bush administration continues to lie wilfully. The bottom line is that Moore and Bush could both be accused of telling lies in their own way, but only one of them is in control of America and went to war on the back of those lies, and it ain't the ''fat'' one.
O'Reilly 'won' simply because Moore played a dumb man's game. by reluctant	Jul 28th, 2004 12:03:05 PM
don't defend Michael Moore. I think he's stubborn, obnoxious and relatively narrow-minded for his liberal britches. His passion is what makes him a good filmmaker. But he gets ruffled and riled very easily. He would make a shitty politician, and nobody's suggesting that he run. Ever. --------------- Something I noticed. O'Reilly set up the "rules": stick to the issues, I'll ask a question and then you ask a question. --------------- His first question: "Are you [Michael Moore] going to apologize to the president for calling him a liar?" --------------- What the fuck? This is an issue? What's worse? Moore is too stupid too avoid an elephant-sized landmine waiting for him. He gets so riled up over the suggestion of apologizing for calling the pres a liar that her wastes half the spot in a semantic battle over what constitutes a "lie" and what "bad intelligence" really means. Moore should have turned the tide away from WMDs and toward the Hussein-al Qaeda non-connection. The administration is STILL lying about that. There IS no intelligence to support that. And yet Cheney (among others) continues to allude to it, a photo of bigfoot, if you will. It was a no-brainer and Moore fucked it up. ---------------- Furthermore, when O'Reilly suggested that there was a plethora of bad intelligence, from the Russians, the CIA, etc., why didn't Moore ask questions about that? When you have several sources saying the same thing, certainly you might tend to take the info seriously. Now that it's known that the intel was faulty, what does that say about the methods of obtaining the intel? I think it leads one to believe that the sources were all ultimately the same. And that's a REALLY BAD THING. ------------ And don't get me started on the "passing the buck" path Moore could have taken. --------------- Moore's "follow-up question": "What would you [Bill O'Reilly] say to the parents of the 900 brave soldiers who died in this war?" A fair question, I guess. But it turned into a spitting contest when Moore didn't accept O'Reilly's answer. Like O'Reilly, Moore was looking for a button to push. ----------- This was a useless encounter. O'Reilly came out on top, I think. Then again, his show, he set the 'rules' and he set the tone early on. However, if Moore got a 2, O'Reilly was hovering near 3 (on my scale of 1 - 10, where 10 is "awesome and totally sweet"). --------------- I really wonder what would have happened if Al Franken had been invited on the show. "Uh, Bill, your question is dumb. I will not 'stop calling the president a liar', and that has nothing to do with any 'issues' at hand. Now, my question to you is, who does your makeup? The blotches appear gone!" ------------ Incidentally, did anyone listen to Barack Obama's speech last night? Now that's how you reach across partisan lines and still convey 'liberal' ideals.
Libs need to face reality: Moore won't effect the election (bye- by Triumph poops!	Jul 28th, 2004 12:19:28 PM
Seriously, it says something fucking MAJOR and insightful about the American voters thinking process that this week Bush ISN'T even out campaigning -- he's honoring the age old tradition of trying to stay out of the limelight while the opposing party has its convention (though you can BET the Democrats won't do the same with the Republican convention takes place) -- and even with the spotlight fully on Kerry, getting all the national attention he wants, new polls show Bush's numbers are going UP. And Kerry's "character numbers" are stuck in the mud, if not going DOWN. Added to the fact that just yesterday the new consumer confidence numbers on the economy came out and they were UP yet again. As are all the other economic indicators. Come November, people are going to be saying exactly what they're saying now as they watch the Democratic hate-fest...oops, I mean Convention. They're going to be saying: "Why the hell would I want to put Kerry in office? This guy LOOKS like the Mummy...he SOUNDS like the Mummy...he has the personality of lint...he NEVER actually explains his ideas...we already know he's a muppet with Ted Kennedy's hand up his ass controlling him...and his wife has a mug that could peel paint AND has an attitude chip on her own shoulder that makes HER totally unlikeable and a turn off to voters. Who the fuck wants 4 years of this?" Bottom line: Moore's FAHRENHEIT movie will make its money preaching to the converted, so I hope you libs all had a good jizz fest jerking off to the fat fuck whose cock you all love to suck so much. Meanwhile, come November, Bush is going to win because everyone's NOT going to be on the Michael Moore train -- they're simply going to realize that Kerry would completely suck ass as President. And raise every tax you can think of, killing the economy and costing more jobs. That is, when Kerry isn't running off to surrender to France or the fucking U.N.
Michael Moore has said he'll pay $50,000 to anyone who can dispu by TheGinger Twit	Jul 28th, 2004 12:33:49 PM
So stop winging about how moore is a fat liar and lets here those facts?
Anyone who think Bill O'reilly won that debate with Moore is bey by TheGinger Twit	Jul 28th, 2004 12:48:08 PM

These aren't your daddy's politics by reluctant	Jul 28th, 2004 12:53:59 PM
Michael Moore doesn't represent a political party. He represents a personal ideal. Some agree with it, and some do not. I can't stand people using his name and work to gauge and pass judgment on the Democratic party and ideals. It's no secret that Moore dislikes Bush. It shouldn't be a stretch to believe that there are Democrats who don't completely agree with Moore. People need to grow up. ------- As for "Poop Triumphs", he or she is obviously spouting mommy or daddy's propaganda. Those notions are as out-dated as Crystal Pepsi. It all comes down to taxes, I guess. Moron. Raising taxes, costing jobs and killing the economy? The economy ain't that great, bucko. We're fighting a war that is, at present, costing nearly $125B and people want tax CUTS? This will be a disaster for our children. ------- Kerry looks like a "mummy"? This is what passes for intelligent political rhetoric? Don't vote him in because he looks like a mummy. And bashing his wife by calling her ugly? Disgusting. Personally, I think Bush would be a great person to party with. We'd have a few beers, he'd tell some ludicrous stories, I'd get him a cab. I'd fall asleep comforted by the knowledge that he wasn't going home to send people off to a pointless war, he wouldn't attempt to pass Constitutional amendments banning a group's right to personal happiness, he wouldn't propose to cut taxes for his wealthy friends at the ultimate expense of those who truly need help, and he wouldn't destroy the world view of the United States by belittling the rest of the planet. Bush might be fun, charismatic (heh), and personable, but he's an unfit president. I don't want a buddy in the White House. I don't want a stud in the White House. I want someone who looks out for the nation as a whole, and who doesn't base major decisions on machismo and a god-complex. ----- One more thing: staying out of the limelight and the media during the DNC does NOT mean to take a fucking vacation.
Heinz Kerry? by Super Person	Jul 28th, 2004 02:34:44 PM
Someone complained that Mrs. Kerry's attitude makes her unlikeable... personally, her attitude makes her VERY likeable to me... she's independent, she's strong, she has attitudes and isn't afraid to talk about them, and she's not being overly political about them... and, as a big-time liberal, I find this forwardness lacking in most of the Democratic career politicians... if Al Gore had behaved during the 2000 presidential campaign like he's behaving now, I would've REALLY gotten up off my ass to help him out because now he's showing some BALLS... back then he was trying to hard to appeal to everyone and ride that centrist thing like Clinton did, and that was doing no one any favors... we NEED people like Gore and Dean who actually feel PASSIONATE about saving this country from those who would abuse it and lie to it for the betterment and protection of corporate interests... and, if you're wanting to get specific about Heinz Kerry's "attitude", as far as Mrs. Kerry telling that press guy to shove it, that was awesome... why was that awesome, but Cheney telling a Senator to go fuck himself was not? Because Heinz Kerry did not use profanity, and because it was to a member of the press from a newspaper that had been badgering her over silly things like releasing her tax returns (she's not the presidential candidate, she's his wife, ergo it's no one's business but her own), a newspaper owned by an arch conservative who obviously had his own agenda in attacking her... Cheney DID use profanity, and attacked and berated a fellow politician on the Senate floor, in public... that demonstrates his total lack of class... if you're going to attack a duly elected representative of the people of America, at least have the decency to do it in private, or like a gentleman... anyway, personally, I have a lot of respect for strong independent women, whether or not I agree with what they're saying... Hillary Clinton I liked, Eleanor Roosevelt I liked, I may have hated every word out of Nancy Reagan's mouth, but I respected her for BEING someone and using the platform afforded her by being the president's wife to get some things she believed in out in the open... and Heinz Kerry I think is another woman I respect, even if sometimes I think maybe she doesn't state what she's saying in the best way... still, I hate dissembling, politicking, and artifice, so her talking without using some sort of internal filter is kind of refreshing...
Nicole21 by Super Person	Jul 28th, 2004 02:43:16 PM
You don't see yourself as "elitist" and "holier than thou"?
Moore Won't Be There! by SteveChase	Jul 28th, 2004 04:02:11 PM
Michael Moore won't even be there tonight for the nut fest. I hope everyone has a great time watching this turd in Waco...possibly the most boring town on Earth. Great idea...let's drive to the middle of nowhere so we can watch a silly mockumentary in a school parking lot near the President's ranch. I really hope you guys get something out of it. The rest of mankind will happily ignore you.
Junior: Ever hear the expression... by Pontsing Barset	Jul 28th, 2004 04:47:55 PM
..."Where there's smoke there's fire"? Go back and re-read that article and actually check out some of the links. And, TRIUMPH POOPS: "Why the hell would I want to put Kerry in office?" Because Bush is a deluded crusader who stands a damn good chance of getting us all killed maybe? IMO, Kerry is clearly "the lesser of two evils" at the present time. *** Look, I'm not entirely on: Moore's, Bush's, Kerry's, Democrats', Republicans', liberals', conservatives', (heck are we entirely sure what some of these words even MEAN anymore? They don't mean the same things they used to, that's for sure), or anyone ELSES "side(s)", because NONE of them are entirely on MY [our] side(s). In my experience, "The Truth" is ALWAYS closer to the center than either extreme, and EVERYONE has an agenda whether they cop to it or not. Peace-Out: Barset.
Another Lie! by doctordebug	Jul 28th, 2004 04:48:27 PM
MWA HAHA like Moore ever intended to attend this "small town" event when all the network cameras are in Boston? What a media whore... he adds yet another lie to his impressive mountain!
A Draft? by Poacher	Jul 28th, 2004 05:01:20 PM
Does anyone saying "Bush is going to have a draft" realize that it would have to pass through congress? There's no way that would happen short of us getting nuked.
Response to two earlier posts by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jul 28th, 2004 05:05:47 PM
GayMovieGuy: Which would you rather have, "pandering" Democrats who want your vote, or Republicans who constantly tell you to your face they think you're eroding the American way of life and who want to amend the Constitution to make sure you can NEVER be granted the legal rights of marriage AND would like to dismantle the concept of civil unions? And don't respond with "I don't want to get married so what do I care?" because there's plenty of gay people who do. Nicole21: "but what the hell; these elitist, holier than thou, 'enlightened' types already know 'the truth', right?" Yeah, because conservatives have no elite. Listen to Sean Hannity, O'Reilly, and their ilk; when have you EVER heard or seen them try to look at things from another POV that didn't fall in line with their own? Conservatives wanna throw stones at Moore, go ahead, just watch for falling glass.
ill say it again by Kida_Greenleaf	Jul 28th, 2004 06:07:07 PM
Guys, if you support Bush that is sooo totally fine: just sign up for the army and go to Iraq! I mean, aren't you going to support your president?
If criticizing the President makes you unpatriotic or anti-Ameri by Sidious-1138	Jul 28th, 2004 06:19:49 PM
And any of you neo-cons that ripped on Clinton are unpatriotic America haters and deserve the same venom you aim at Moore and his supporters. Hypocrites.
Moore Chickens Out.... by 20th Century Fox	Jul 28th, 2004 06:56:14 PM
Moore to skip Crawford 'Fahrenheit 911' screening By MICHAEL HEDGES Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle CRAWFORD -- Liberal film maker Michael Moore early today cancelled an appearance near President Bush's ranch for a showing of his anti-Bush film Fahrenheit 911. "We've heard he is not going to be here in Crawford, but we've heard no explanation," said Skip Londos, a member of the local Peace House which had hoped the controversial film maker would help draw more people to the event. There was no immediate explanation, but a Moore staff aide in New York said the film maker decided early today that his appearance might "detract" from the Peace House fund-raiser. The aide said Moore would remain in Boston, where he has been treated as a celebrity at the Democratic National Convention, and on Friday he would go to New York to appear on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The White House staff here with Bush, who was vacationing in Crawford, has avoided commenting on Moore's expected arrival. Early today, aides declined to discuss Moore's decision. There had been rumors of threats against Moore, and clear signs that some here did not welcome his arrival. Overnight, 20 bags of composted cow manure were dumped near the spot where television crews do live broadcasts from Crawford, a few miles from Bush's Central Texas ranch. The fertilizer, in 25-pound bags, included a sign addressed: "To Michael Moore. One piece of Bull**** deserves another." The bailout came suddenly, just hours after Moore's staff had paid an advance visit to Crawford. "His security people were here this morning, and he was still coming," said Londos. "I'm slightly disappointed, but not overly surprised." The event was cancelled by a call from Moore's New York staff. A Moore representative said an explanation would be posted on Moore's website later Wednesday. The showing of the film will go on without Moore, Londos said. The Peace House saw the Moore appearance as a chance to raise money for their anti-war center. Donations equal to the price of viewing the film were being asked. Londos had said Moore's promise to attend had caused a swell of interest in the film's airing in a parking lot in Crawford. The same film can be seen at a multiplex in Waco, 22 miles away. But a chance to see Moore had generated enough interest that Londos said he was expecting up to 1,000 people to attend tonight's viewing. At the same time, a group of Bush supporters had planned to gather nearby Wednesday evening for a counter-demonstration. Organizers had anticipated between 200 and 400 people to attend. McLennan County Constable Dewey Howse said local police expected a peaceful, if occasionally rowdy evening. As for the package addressed to Moore, Crawford Police Officer Ken Jones said trespassing technically was involved in dumping the bags, but official action is unlikely. "It was a practical joke as far as I'm concerned.," Jones said, adding: "I do appreciate the guy leaving (the manure) in the bags."
John Kerry is Skull & Bones (1966) too. by Electric Tsunami	Jul 28th, 2004 07:18:13 PM
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
The Draft by Electric Tsunami	Jul 28th, 2004 07:21:25 PM
There is indeed a proposal of restarting The Draft in the House and the Senate. Check out those sponsor lists though, everyone who signed is a Democrat. Think that they will drop their proposal if John Kerry is elected? The only people pushing for restarting the draft are Democrats.
O'Reilley vs. Moore -- It's always about "the children" by Immortal_Fish	Jul 28th, 2004 07:29:00 PM
"The children." Funny, I'd always thought of them as courageous adults who signed-up for military service at-will. Speaking about "the children," what would you liberal folks do if you found a used bong in your child's bedroom? After all, we've found the equivalent in Iraqi chemlabs. And shouldn't the Iraqi children matter just as much as the Bosnian children?
BWAHAHAHA!! Mikey backed out! He's not going to Crawford after a by Durendal	Jul 28th, 2004 07:33:07 PM

The Draft part II by Immortal_Fish	Jul 28th, 2004 07:52:08 PM
Good for you, Electric Tsunami. Let's not forget that this noise about the impending Draft was initiated by New York Democratic Congressman Charlie Rangel.
Kida_Greenleaf by Immortal_Fish	Jul 28th, 2004 07:57:30 PM
When are you headed for Bosnia? Even though it was "only supposed to last for one year" we're still there. And the shit is still flying. You remind me of the folks who claim that Bush should send his twin daughters into Iraq. Using this logic, why hadn't Clinton sent Chelsea into Bosnia? Once again, IRAQ - WMD = BOSNIA. Clinton asks for 80mil to go to Bosnia, good. Bush asks for 90mil to go to Iraq, bad. Clinton doesn't go to UN before going to Bosnia, good. Bush tries to go to UN before going into Iraq, bad. I just don't get you people.
Kerry's wife by Wolfpack	Jul 28th, 2004 09:09:24 PM
The Democrats laud Heinz-Kerry for telling a reporter to "shove it," yet they chastise Cheney for doing the same thing. "Go f*** yourself" and "shove it" mean the same thing. Also, she never addressed the fact that she really did use the term "un-American." All that reporter did was to ask her to clarify the term, yet she denied using it even when they have her on tape as using it. What's wrong with asking her to clarify the use of that term?
Teresa Heinz is a hag -- right up there with Margaret Hamilton i by Triumph poops!	Jul 28th, 2004 09:51:46 PM
I mean, come on, politics aside, there are some things that are just indisputatble. That face could create instant mold on any wall it faced or peel the paint. Worst of all, watch her interact on the campaign trail. The Libs try to play up the spin doctoring that "she's just speaking her mind", but the truth is she truly has a holier-than-thou elitist chip on her shoulder that gives her the personality and warmth of warmed over mud. But given Kerry's looks and his boring ass, droning on nature, I guess they figured pairing up was their best solution to finding someone to hang out with...
iMMORTAL FISH -- "You remind me of the folks who claim that Bush by Commando Cody	Jul 28th, 2004 10:17:06 PM
GREAT response, Fish. And dead on target. Funny, I've always wondered that myself whenever the Left or Moore bring that argument up. And given that Kerry is now out trying to "reinvent" himself this week at the Convention as a man who wouldn't ever hold back the military (which is a joke in itself), IF Kerry wins in November and lands himself in the Oval Office and IF he then gets us into any kind of conflict in the next 4 years, will the Liberals cry foul when Republicans ask "Sure, we'll go. But, gee, John, are you sending YOUR daughter?" Somehow I suspect if or when that day comes, the Liberals -- and in particular Michael Moore -- will be singing a completely different tune, once against resorting to their mock indignation of "How can you even ask a question like that?" Then again, reinventing themselves is what Liberals love to do. Personally, I'm still laughing my ass over the bitchslapping O'Reilly gave to Moore, particularly where Moore tried to back up his anti-Iraq stance by ALSO stating he is in favor of a prevent military policy, using WWII and Hitler as his example. You go, Michael. Every time you open your yap of late you just dig bigger and bigger holes and look more and more like the foaming-at-the-mouth rabid animal you are that needs to be put down once and for all. Thankfully, the latest polls show that no one's even listening to this blustering windbag anymore, nor do they give a shit about his movie. But I'm sure Hollywood will still feel a need to give him an Oscar next year, just so they can given him another podium to shriek his silly fool head off. At which point they'll retire to a dining room to kiss his gargantuan ass and have some liberal orgy -- though in the meantime, thankfully, 3000 miles away the lights in the Oval Office will be on and still belong to GWB sitting out a new 4 year term.
"Shove it" by Poacher	Jul 29th, 2004 01:30:01 AM
It's amazing how the Democrats quickly spun her "shove it" into showing how "opinionated" she is, and that she's ruthless whether the Republicans like it or not and how the media lapped it up. Well...that still doesn't answer why she denied saying "unAmerican" when she was videotaped saying it, but they never address that. I guess it's more respectable for a would be first lady to lie and instead blow up at a reporter instead of admitting she's wrong than it is for a vice president to quietly tell another politician trying vehemently to unseat him and destroy his character to fuck himself.
Geez I wish you guys would all get over yourselves.... by TheGinger Twit	Jul 29th, 2004 01:34:07 AM
You carry on like Bush is justified because of Bill Clinton's past or John Kerry's future. Bush is a cunt, but he's merely a puppet taking orders from higher up. The same people in power now are the same who were in power since Kennedy. Go check out the Black & white photo's of Rumsfeld out front of the white house. Left wing ... Right wing ... both belong to the same bird. And give up on this faulty intelligence bullshit. EVERYONE knew it was faulty when it was being sprouted on us. Bush wanted his war and he got it. What he also got, and gave you great americans is a world that hates you all and an oppinion which will not be changed all to easily. The wars in the middle east going on right now are not going to fizzle out, they are going to grow and they will spill out eventually into your own country. Mark my words. The war of words here on this sight is just an insight into the division your country now faces. Think it's going to get better? Wait til Bush cancells the election - or sets of a bomb somewhere. You guys really think Cave men highjacked 4 airlines while the GRAND american defences just sat back and watched. It's well documented that Rumsfeld ordered a stand down. It's also well documented that United airlines, and World trade centre stock money was moved around in the days leading up to the attack. Not to mention not 1 (Hear again, not 1) Jewish person working in the trowers turned up for work that day. Your country and your politics are dirty and corrupted. The only fault I find with Michael Moore is that he does not go far enough!
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hilla by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:34:14 AM

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, bu by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:35:23 AM

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:35:57 AM

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:36:31 AM

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the publ by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:37:13 AM

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:37:55 AM

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but t by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:38:38 AM

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:39:17 AM

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:40:01 AM

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing h by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:40:35 AM

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex. by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:41:13 AM

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:42:00 AM

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Consti by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:42:30 AM

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, bu by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:43:01 AM

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you'r by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:43:42 AM

You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John As by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:44:30 AM

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:45:39 AM

Things That You Must Believe In Order To Remain A Republicunt. s by SHIVA	Jul 29th, 2004 01:47:09 AM

We can't have enough of Michael Moore or Bill Clinton!!! by Darth_Bald	Jul 29th, 2004 03:03:07 AM
First of all, I would like to thank Mace Windex for his explosive and fascinating revelation of the Bush/Satan connection. In the words of Mike Myers: Interesting....Cuckoo! Secondly, I love that Michael Moore is everywhere. I hope he keeps spreading his gospel (and accumulating more well-deserved wealth) all the way to November. President Bush couldn't have planned a better spokesperson for the DNC. Also, I hope to see more of Bill Clinton. If there is one area where the former President is a master, (besides in the back of an El Camino lined with Astro-Turf) it's at the pulpit. His dynamic and mammoth personality eclipses the rest of the Democratic party combined. There's nothing like a constant stark reminder of who and what your candidate isn't to keep those poll numbers low. Third: I noticed the Talkback "rules" say hate speech is fodder for deletion. I suppose "Bush is a cunt" and Teresa Heinz-Kerry is a hag" would be considered cute and endearing? Finally, I have a theory. I believe Harry Knowles is secretly a rabid, bible-thumping conservative who secretly worships at the feet of a Ronald Reagan statue. I believe he has to hide his true feelings under the guise of being a Bush-hating, Michael Moore loving (unconditional love, mind you) liberal because he's afraid of being black-listed by the ever-tolerant Hollywood liberals before he can get his movie made.
Moore is better than less by Dr Farragammo	Jul 29th, 2004 03:15:07 AM
If you find Bu$h's claiming the "have's and have more's" as his base, his sitting like a limp dishrag when he finds out we are under attack, the media not reporting all the facts about the war, the blacking out of the saudi's names on public documents, the disenfranchising of black voters during the 2000 election, and Bush claiming democrats "take black voters for granted", colin powell's admisson that Iraq was no threat months before he changed his tune, and other offenses listed in the film defensible, then go on and hate Moore and his view. But the "watch this drive"comment and other facts that unfold before your eyes are truth, even when you take out Moore's narraration. Democrats aren't innocent in thi s either, but they have their balls back and the middle class ALWAYS does well under democrats vs. republicans , no matter what the right wingers say. Moore is a fat. egomaniac, but he does NOT hate america, he wants it better for ALL americans, and that is worth fighting for. He has done us a public service, encouraged new voters, and offered a dissenting point of view. That is democracy, healthy debate, and free speech. the republicans want you dumb, complacent, afraid and to stay at home on election day. They want your civil liberties taken away , so we can't enjoy half of the films,tv shows, and comics we love. They want you to fear attacks, yet ignore the violence caused by poverty,hate , fear and mental illness perpetuated by Americans on Americans.(Reagan destroyed socila programs , so the mentally ill are on the street, posing a danger to you and me, and to themselves, and the right wing continues his doctrine) They encourage racism,class warfare, and hate.Over that vile shit, I'll take Moore any day of the week.
taking voters for granted comment by Dr Farragammo	Jul 29th, 2004 03:27:22 AM
So this doesn't get gleefully thrown back in my face, I realize that comment isn't in the film, but it fits in perfectly with perpetuating my argument about the black votes ignored during the 2000 election.
Hmm...now Dr. Farragammo, when you talk about "taking voters for by Triumph poops!	Jul 29th, 2004 04:47:00 AM
...Would that same disenfranchising include such stellar concepts and pillars of democracy in action such as Al Gore trying to have the incoming military vote BLOCKED and purposely left uncounted? And for the record, I assume you're for a full and fair end of "taking voters for granted" by counting everyone's vote? Again, unlike someone like Gore, who in challenging Bush ONLY wanted to recount votes in FOUR districts -- which purely by coincidence (>AHEM
Boy, someone needs to call the nice men in white jackets with ne by Commando Cody	Jul 29th, 2004 05:44:17 AM
Boy, some people REALLY have too much time on their hands. Shiv, do yourself a favor. It's only a talkback. GO GET LAID AND LEARN TO RELAX.
Some predictions by godric	Jul 29th, 2004 09:15:29 AM
First of all, did anyone notice how Michael Moore didn't show up at the Crawford screening, saying his presence would distract from the showing? Well, at least it would have blocked the view of the four people behind him. Anyway, did he ever actually plan on showing up? I somehow think not. Some interesting discrepancies in the film: at least one of the Congressman he approaches about sending their kids to the miliatary doesn't even have children! Also, since when do parents send their kids into the military? I mean, really, aren't most kids there because they chose to, not because they were forced to? A bit silly. But my prediction: IF Bush wins in November, in a fit of liberal rage Hollywood will nominate Fahrenheit 9/11 for Best Picture at the Oscars, possibly even giving it the award. You watch.
Hey Ginger Twit by m2298	Jul 29th, 2004 10:10:34 AM
You can hate Bush and Israel all you want, but you really show your true colors promulgating the Jews-warned-in-advance-on-9/11 rumor. www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.h tm http://slate.msn.com/?id=11681 3 http://www.thejewishweek.com/b ottom/specialcontent.php3?arti d=365
Some stuff about the possible reinstatement of the draft in the by Pontsing Barset	Jul 29th, 2004 10:52:13 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics /military/draft.asp *** And would both sides of the aisle kindly shut the fuck up about who "won" the O
Lani Riefenstahl by InsectReflection	Jul 29th, 2004 10:55:19 AM
... made FAR better propoganda. And she did it without lying or creative editing.
The end of Ain't It Cool News? by Spoons	Jul 29th, 2004 11:04:21 AM
I haven't seen the papers yet this morning, but I assume, given the hyperventilating that accompanied this post, that Harry, Michael Moore, and everyone attending the screening last night have been arrested shipped off to Gitmo or Abu Ghraib or John Ashcroft's rumpus room, or something. The GingerTwit has probably been shot. So will the rest of the AICN staff continue this site, or were they put in camps, too?
Flags on Homes by BTR 1701	Jul 29th, 2004 01:31:30 PM
"what's with all the flags on the homes around here?" *** Yeah, heaven forbid we fly our own flag in our own country. That's just "frightening" and "scary". Nothing like having a foreigner come here and start telling you when it is and is not appropriate to fly your own country's flag.
IndustryKiller! by BTR 1701	Jul 29th, 2004 01:41:44 PM
"As for JohnKerryisGay... Nice moniker....racist." **** How in the hell is that a racist comment? Here's a clue: homosexuality isn't a race.
I dont care if Fahrenheit is completely fabricated by Jack Burton	Jul 29th, 2004 01:57:02 PM
As long as it has people talking about it. That has been the way the republicans have conducted themselves under Bush. They constantly attack opposing views with smear campaigns. Removing anti-Bush protesters into cordoned off areas is only one of the many things they have done to infringe free speech. Bush is a puppet being controlled by much more saavy Washington operators like Rumsfeld and Cheney. I think it's funny that the validity of Fahrenheit 9/11 keeps coming up but no one seems willing to put the blame on Bush for the fiasco in Iraq. Yes, I qualify 1000 Americans dead because of "poor intel" a fiasco. Clinton lied about his affair with Lewinsky and the right wanted him impeached. Why haven't there been similar calls from the Dems for Bush's head for lying about the WMD in Iraq? I don't care if he had bad intel, shouldn't there be a bit more prudence in making a decision to go to war? Does anyone buy Bush's down-home-aw-shucks attitude? He is not "one of us". He's an elitist and just as big of a whore as Paris Hilton. That being said, I don't know if Kerry is much better. This election is about either voting for Bush, or against him. Honestly, Kerry is one of the most uncharismatic candidates I've ever seen. But he has GOT to be better then Bush. Still I think it's pretty telling that the DNC looks a hell of a lot like the RNC. We need more minority candidates on both sides of the ticket. Maybe then the parties will actually seem different. So it comes down to which rich white man will you vote for this November?
BTR 1701 by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jul 29th, 2004 02:50:22 PM
You're right, "johnkerrysgay" isn't racist. Just bigoted and ignorant.
Thulsa Moore...I love that image. by CaptainHendry	Jul 29th, 2004 03:02:35 PM
Here's a recent story that most of you Moore cultists didn't hear: Maybe it was his zeal to save American democracy from the sinister control of huge corporations. Or maybe, if you believe folks at CNN, Michael Moore was just being a jerk. Whatever the case, I'm told that the acclaimed director of "Fahrenheit 9/11" initially refused to return a hard-to-get convention floor credential yesterday to CNN - a subsidiary of the Time-Warner media conglomerate - after being interviewed in the Fleet Center on the cable net's CNN "American Morning." Reliable CNN sources said Moore punctuated his refusal with an eruption of abusive profanity at a female guest-booker and male staffer who attempted to retrieve the floor pass, dropping the F-bomb and muttering the C-word. Yesterday, Moore and his associate producer, Joanne Doroshow, vehemently denied the account, saying that Moore surrendered the coveted credential when asked and never hurled abuse at the CNN staffers. "Oh, my God, I never use that kind of language," Moore told me. "It's a complete lie." But I'm told that when Moore's interview with CNN anchor Bill Hemmer ended, a producer politely asked Moore for the credential, and Moore erupted profanely within the hearing of multiple witnesses. Then, with CNN's credential around his neck, Moore circled the floor doing interviews with other broadcast outlets - while CNNers huddled trying to figure out how to retrieve the pass. An unlucky female booker trailed him to obtain it, even following him into an elevator. "F- c-!" Moore allegedly muttered - though it was unclear if Moore was referring to her or was still seething about his interview with Hemmer. Half an hour after the interview, I'm told, Moore confronted Hemmer on the floor and berated him for suggesting that some people might like to see the controversial director in the White House, but that others might want to see him dead. "Can you think of any other interview in the history of television where a politician or a movie director was asked about people wanting to see him dead?" Moore asked me. "I bet you can't! ... One of the top CNN people apologized to me and told me I would be getting another call of apology from someone higher up." But a CNN spokesman said: "There's no apology, and there's no apology forthcoming. CNN expects an apology from Mr. Moore to the female staffer he abused." Moore finally did return the coveted floor pass. [End Story from NY Daily News] Acting just like the bloated, Stalinist apparatchik he is. They were men of the people too, you may recall. Just don't say anything critical of the cause or you wind up in rhetorical Siberia for re-education. That is what Moore's recent declaration that "Republicans wake up early to see how they can screw minorities" amounts to? I know you're busy, Harry, but pick up a copy of Solzhenitsyn's Gulag some time. You'll have to read it. For some strange reason, blacklist-crazed Hollywood has never seemed to interested in doing a movie version.
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