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Spidey rocks by Steve Rogers	Jun 29th, 2004 04:43:02 AM
All these books are great. Roll on Spidey 2! First?
Villains that seem to have lost their way... by RealDoubleJ	Jun 29th, 2004 05:53:36 AM
I too can remember the days when Mr. Hyde was a threat. One of my fave issues as a kid was The Absorbing Man's first appearance in Spidey and it was an all-out brawl at the airport that truly tested Spidey's strength and wits, especially when old friend Flash shows up to get caught in the mix. And the last time Titania was used effectively was back in the Cosmic Spiderman storyline where Doc Doom, in accordance with 'The Acts of Vengeance' started up by Loki in disguise, drawed upon Titania's fear of losing to Spidey (back in the Secret Wars) and, with the help of a nifty lil invention, turned it into unconquerable rage. Thus resulting in Spidey getting the living crap beaten out of him only surviving because of those cosmic Captain Universe powers.....and at no point did the absorbing man have magic frikkin' powers....
check out the new spidey marvel knights series... by thegoldencalf	Jun 29th, 2004 06:40:44 AM
..cos it rocks too!
Can't stand the new Marvel Knights series... by Dave_F	Jun 29th, 2004 07:10:05 AM
Ironically, Mark Millar's PG-13 take on Spider-Man may be the least mature take of them all, with its emphasis on bloody violence, sexual humor, merciless killings from the likes of Electro and Vulture, and as of the latest issue previewed, torture scenes! Wheee! Yes, Millar has SOOOO captured what Spider-Man is about! Here's hoping he keeps the momentum going and has Kraven return from the dead to rape Aunt May!
Spidey did indeed kick Titania's ass in Secret Wars. by Rapmaster C	Jun 29th, 2004 08:39:53 AM
Plus, he made the X-men look like losers. He is an awesome superhero, and he does work extremely well as a supporting character in a big huge battle. Another example of this is The Infinity Gauntlet, where he seems bewildered at whats going on, rather than afraid. This was a really good column. Well done. PS. Classic Spidey > Ultimate Spidey.
Hah, not likely. by Rapmaster C	Jun 29th, 2004 08:54:16 AM
What would AICN talkbacks be without the ritual insulting of the site's hosts. Traditions are so hard to break these days.
Weirdo, w-e-i-r-d-o by rev_skarekroe	Jun 29th, 2004 08:55:08 AM
JJJ should know better. And Millar's Spider-Man rocks, btw. sk
Hey, Rev... by Dave_F	Jun 29th, 2004 09:05:39 AM
Okay, so you like the MARVEL KNIGHTS SPIDER-MAN. Misguided, but it's your call. Question: did you read the online preview for the latest issue? If so, putting aside all the stuff we'd likely disagree on about what's fitting for a Spidey comic...didn't you think Robbie was ridiculously out of character at the end? Dude was all but enthused (in dialogue, though it wasn't reflected in the art) over peddling sleazy tabloid crap. Horribly out of character for the guy who's always been the conscience of the Bugle, as was his calling JJJ "chief". Is this series out-of-continuity or did I miss the storyline where one of Stan Lee's best supporting characters became a jagoff?
Aunt May was much more fun when she was a total Dingbat. by cookylamoo	Jun 29th, 2004 09:06:41 AM
"Oh, that nice Doctor Octavius. Such a pity he has trouble with his arms." I much prefer this to Aunt May, the cell-phone crusader.
Um...Corm? You better start a list of guys who like M.K. SPIDER by SpyGuy	Jun 29th, 2004 09:59:24 AM
I think it might be wise to step back from MARVEL KNIGHTS SPIDER-MAN and take a big, deep breath. Heck, go ahead and kick back with some chocolate chip cookies and watch LADY SNOWBLOOD or some Adult Swim for a while. Okay, back yet? Good. Now try to keep an open mind on this one...MARVEL KNIGHTS SPIDER-MAN is actually pretty okay. No, really! Is it the best Spidey comic out right now? Possibly, depending on if Bendis manages to provide a plot point on ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, or if Straczynski is writing an anticlimactic ending in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. Mark Millar, for all his deliberate shock value, effectively uses the "Oh, crap" factor that is so intrinsic to the character of Peter Parker. Namely, Peter's constant fear of his Spider-Man identity endangering those he cares most about. As for the villains, well, when was the last time someone wrote Electro as a dangerous threat? The dude has the mastery of electricity and he's been relegated to B-level status for years. And you don't think the Vulture and Electro could be pervs? An old guy in a skin-tight bird costume and a guy whose mask stands up as a result of static electricity -- both of whom are Stryker's Island prison mainstays? Whatever, bro...
i like Mk Spidey by AlgertMopper	Jun 29th, 2004 10:15:55 AM
i think MK Spidey is FAR better and ult.Spidey
Whoa there, Corm! by rev_skarekroe	Jun 29th, 2004 10:44:03 AM
I avoid online previews of and spoilers for books I know I'm going to buy, so I stopped reading your post partway through. But tell you what, get back to me when it actually comes out (should be soon, but it doesn't seem to be on the next couple of weeks ship lists) and I'll let you know what I think. sk
Awesome, Buzz by creepyCritic	Jun 29th, 2004 11:30:05 AM
Thanks for including those issues in this list, Buzz. They were really great, and the absurd image of Peter and Doc Ock sharing a bucket of KFC always stuck with me. I got the first issue in that arc as a Marvel Tales on a family trip in 1981(0?, 2?) and the cliffhanger ending of Spidey falling from the helicopter went unresolved for me for for over 20 years, until I finally bought the original water-damaged issues from a 50 cent bin at a convention. Turns out, Spidey gets out of that jam just fine. Whew. Now I can get on with my life. Incidentally, I cut out the subscription form from that Marvel Tales and got a subscription to Marvel Two-In-One, because I figured I was getting twice the action for my money. Then MTIO got cancelled and replaced with The Thing, which equalled ZERO action for my money.
Napolean Jameson by crooney	Jun 29th, 2004 11:37:26 AM
Check out the first pic of JJJ on this page and the ad for "Napolean Dynamite." Is it just me or are they wearing the same suit?
by #42	Jun 29th, 2004 12:13:44 PM

J. Jonah Jameson's alter ego by Heathicus_Maximu	Jun 29th, 2004 01:34:55 PM
Add a couple hundred pounds to J. Jonah Jameson, replace all mention of Spider-Man with George Bush and you have a perfect clone of Michael Moore!!
danger of Mr. Hyde by dwam0	Jun 29th, 2004 01:54:52 PM
In the Daredevil run before Kevin Smith, Mr. Hyde came across as a serial killer, rapist and I think there was the intimation that he also ate human flesh. Daredevil found this out while Matt Murdock was trying to get Hyde off on a trumped up charge (why Hyde wasn't locked away just for breathing, I don't know). The kicker was that at the end of the issue, Hyde is seen menacing a young couple - again, I think there was a hint that he was going to rape and kill then both -when Daredevil comes along and given him a "Get out of Hell's Kitchen or I'll make sure you go to jail" threat and let's Hyde go on his way. I never understood the logic of that. But I would love to see that depraved Hyde back and wouldn't shed a tear if he was killed this time around.
Wow.. now even I feel like a comic book vet. by Lolthien	Jun 29th, 2004 02:35:35 PM
I still have that old original Secret Wars series where spider man beats up Titania (who got her powers in that series) and where he gets his black costume. Plus the arrival of "Spider Girl". My dad came to me one day as a kid and said, "Hey boy, did you hear Spiderman has a new costume?" I said, "Sure thing pops (or something similar) I've got the issue where he gets it right here." "What? Lemme see that!" Readread "I'm gonna hold on to this for you boy, it'll be worth money someday!" So, luckily, I'd read it so much I had it memorized. But it's still at my dad's house, vacuum-sealed in a box somehwere.
stern by sideshowbob	Jun 29th, 2004 02:43:04 PM
I didn't get into Spider-Man as a kid so much so I don't know much Roger Stern. Did he do the Juggernaut/Madame Web arc? Or the one where Hydro Man and Sandman crash into each other and become one mudman? Or the one where Spidey grows 4 extra arms? I always liked those. Is there a forthcoming "Marvel Legends: Stern" book?
I suddenly have the urge . . . TO RISE ABOVE IT ALL. by hulkdog	Jun 29th, 2004 04:17:09 PM
I am supremely happy that this entire column went without a single mention of the abortion that was the Todd McFarlane-written SPIDER-MAN series. That may have been the worst written comic, and while I think you @$$holes are smart enough not to like it, I think it's best not remembered at all . . . left forgotten in the dustbin of comics history. There are some other storylines that bear mentioning (and I'm sure somebody can fill you in on the issue numbers): Anything from the Amazing Spider-Man run covering the Hobgoblin identity mystery is great, particularly when accompanied by Romita Jr. or Ron Frenz artwork; the two-parter where Peter actually proposed to MJ (the second time); and Kraven's last hunt. Got my tickets for tonight's midnight showing.
sideshow - Roger Stern by creepyCritic	Jun 29th, 2004 04:17:33 PM
According to the Grand Comics Database (comics.org, for the uninitated) Stern wrote Spidey from (at least) #204 through #252. Several issues in there don't have a credited writer, but I'll assume it's Stern. I never gave it much thought, but he's the Spider-Man writer I grew up with and told some really classic stories in his run, Madame Web/Juggernaut, the intro and continuing mystery of the Hobgoblin, the intro of the new costume. And I think there was a Hydro-Man story in there somewhere. Will have to get out the old box this week and revisit those stories. Lots of fun.
what's with the McFarlane hate? by lynxpro	Jun 29th, 2004 04:21:28 PM
While McFarlane's own Spider-Man series was lacking in the writing department, the man has a way with pencils. Compare his average work to what Eric Larsen was paid to pencil after McFarlane left "Amazing." I still wish the motion pictures would use McFarlane's version of the Spidey chest logo.
My Favorite Mr. Hydes... by Buzz Maverik	Jun 29th, 2004 04:35:00 PM
...BEST OVERALL: an INCREDIBLE HULK one shot issue written by Peter David with art by Sam Kieth (I thought it was Dale Keown, but Ambush Bug reminded me it was Kieth -- that great, creepy, cartoony yet powerful style!). Banner hops a freight train to find Hyde on board. Hyde mocks him because Banner's alter-ego isn't even evil! Banner turns to Gray Hulk and the fight is on! BEST VISUAL: Gene Colan's version of Hyde from numerous, early issues of DAREDEVIL. Honorable mention: Hyde in a Mark Gruenwald issue of CAPTAIN AMERICA where Iron Man, carrying out the Armor War, has disable all of the Guardsmen in the Vault and a shitload of super-villains escape. It's up to Captain America, defrocked into a black costume and plain shield as The Captain, along with the Falcon, Diamondback, Nomad and D-Man to stop them. Hyde is among the escapees.
Sounds good, Rev... by Dave_F	Jun 29th, 2004 05:19:31 PM
And apologies for not throwing a spoiler warning in there. I'm usually a stickler for avoiding spoilers or at least announcing 'em when I'm about to blab, but I was cranky over Millar's take on Spider-Man last night and...well...I thought only of myself. What would Spidey think? Anyway, consider the discussion "to be continued."
by Mundharmonika	Jun 29th, 2004 05:29:39 PM

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McFarlane by #42	Jun 29th, 2004 05:55:35 PM
Hi...I love hearing opinions on people's favorites SPIDER-MAN comics. I would like to touch on a few comics made on the article and the board in three replies starting with McFarlane. I started collecting back on the early 80s (actually 1982) and was right in the middle of "McFar-Mania" in the late 80s and early 90s. Back then, EVERYONE thought he was the best artist in the business but his legacy seems to be lacking. He was an original in terms of layout, spider-webs, and may or may not be the first to do the "out-of-proportion" bodies (that is an ongoing debate). I think McFarlane's biggest gift in terms of comic art is/was layouts and not neccesarily the actual drawings. I personally look back at those issues in Amazing and especially "Spider-man" and wonder what all the hype was about. Like all the great, famous, and "icon" artists, hype and shock value is something they never had. McFarlane never drew great fight scences because there was about 4 frames per page and that might be why he has lost his legacy to many fans. The greats like Ditto, Kirby, Romita, Bascema (sp?), and others were great because they told a great, visual fight. Just my opinion. DN
Knights versus Amazing versus Ultimate... by Dave_F	Jun 29th, 2004 06:20:28 PM
Knights fans, I know there're a lot of ya out there - I just happen to think Millar is betraying Spider-Man as Judas betrayed our Lord, Jesus Christ. What? WHAT?! ***** Moving on. If the argument is simply that MK SPIDER-MAN is the best of the current Spider-Man books, that doesn't hold much sway with me because really, none of 'em impress me much. JMS started strong but petered out a year or two ago on AMAZING. Jenkins is hit-and-miss and a little too schmaltzy on SPECTACULAR (he recently added the "tragic childhood" motif to Doc Ock, to which I can only respond: "Fuck that!"). As for Bendis on ULTIMATE...actually, I gotta give him the nod. I stopped buying ULTIMATE SPIDEY because I realized it would never really be my Spider-Man and because Bendis has some bad habits that will never be corrected, but it's a pretty damn good book judged on its own merits. I still read friends' copies to keep up on it and I can absolutely see its appeal. What's too bad is that while none of the regular Spider-Man books are up my alley, they've all been gifted with some terrific artists. What a waste! **** Spyguy, regarding Electro becoming a serious threat again, my deal is that I think it's cheap to accomplish this by just upping the body count. That's lowest-common-denominator Hollywood tradition and one of the very reasons why I shined the spotlight on Roger Stern's Mr. Hyde stories. The Hyde two-parter is a textbook example of amping the threat level of a B-lister without lazily turning him into a killer. And most of Spider-Man's villains aren't killers. They tend to be larger-than-life thieves or power-hungry madmen, but they're most certainly not capricious murderers (Ock, Goblin, and Venom being the exceptions, not the rule). And hell, Electro's smart enough to know that getting busted on a murder charge is a shitload worse than getting busted for robbery, extortion, property damage, and all the usual fun stuff he engages in. As for Vulture and Electro being pervs because they wear freaky costumes...gimme a break, man. The costumes are genre trappings, and if you've got to read sexual motifs into 'em you probably should move beyond superheroes (where, y'know, ALL characters wear tight-fitting costumes). Remember, only in Chuck Austen's pending superhero book does a costume automatically make one a perv (behold, if you dare: http://www.newsarama.com/forum s/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1 4505 ) **** Now, just to show that deep down we're all human beings and we needn't strangle each other (except maybe a little), I'll give you this: Millar's writing isn't all trash. I hate his shock value style, but he can write some strong scenes between the shock stuff. Sometimes he gets Peter right. I like his intention to make old-school villains threats again - especially oddballs like The Vulture, and it's only the execution that bothers me. And he's got a good (if tit-obsessed) artist. There! We're friends again, all you Spider-Man Judases!
Mac Farlane or McFarlane Was A Much Better Artist & Writer Than by Buzz Maverik	Jun 29th, 2004 06:21:15 PM
The turn off to his work is that it was soooo overrated and overhyped at the time and editorial at Marvel, after first ordering him to knock off the big Spidey eyes and tangled webs, then tried to force everyone to draw that way. His first SPIDER-MAN arc blew because he really didn't try to write. It was just Spidey fighting the Lizard. A guy who was primarily an artist simply drawing. I liked his stuff and I liked a lot of SPAWN. The early Image guys were either so obnoxious or came off that way that their work took a lot of flack. Granted, not one of them could actually write, but some COULD draw and tell stories exceptionally well. Even Liefield was better than everyone says.
Dwam0, I'd like to cast my vote against Hyde as rapist/killer. by Dave_F	Jun 29th, 2004 06:30:06 PM
Outside of Alan Moore's LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, of course! That version of Hyde can bugger away to his heart's content! But as a general rule, I don't want that level of vile realism creeping into my superhero titles unless the word "WildStorm" appears somewhere on the cover. There's a fine line between spicing up an adventure story with a little "grim 'n' gritty" realism and laying it on so thick that superheroes morose and downbeat. In the '80s, I think creators showed a special talent for the former. Now I see mostly the latter.
Thank You for Mentioning Roger Stern by Solrider77	Jun 29th, 2004 08:33:58 PM
Thank you for mentioning the man who made me a Spidey comic lover. I came relatively late to Spider-Man in comics. I first was aware of him on TV (Bring on a DVD set of SPIDER-MAN & HIS AMAZING FRIENDS NOW! ! ! !) and it wasn't in fact till I heard his costume changed that I started buying AMAZING full time. Man was it worth it, here was everything that made Spidey cool and done in a way that made me totally believe these were real people. Sure the suit changed back soon but I didn't care. THE PEOPLE in the comic were what kept me coming back month after month. In addition to Hyde, here are a few other highlights of Stern's run on AMS: 1. the creation of the HOBGOBLIN 2. the full family history of Mary Jane Watson (something everyone seems to have forgotten) 3.MJ revealing she knows Peter is Spidey. 4. Harry and Liz having their son. 5. and a very special story where Spidey visits his biggest fan, a boy dying of lukemina. I know I haven't mentioned a lot of battles or villians. Just in case I do count SECRET WARS #8 as being the comic that showed me how cool Spidey was. He takes of Titania, without his webshooters, and defeats her (hell he throws her out of a building while mocking her about being a typical bully). That's when I learned how cool Spidey is, Roger Stern showed me something different. He showed me something other Spider writers have been trying to achieve, how cool Peter Parker can be.
A Forgotten Spider-Man Graphic Novel worth checking out by Solrider77	Jun 29th, 2004 08:50:18 PM
That I'd also mention a good Spider-Man graphic novel that seems to have been forgotten today. SPIDER-MAN:PARRAEll Lives is a split screen like book that tells the full story of Peter and MJ's relationship from the begining. This book has no flashy art or wordplay, it just tells a very human story of two people more alike than they realize. For fans this story features several recreations of classic moments from the Lee, Ditko, and Romita days. For those who wonder why Mary Jane is so special, this book peels back the party girl exterior and reveals the person within. This also shows us (in a scene still unchallenged in the regular continuity) just exactly when MJ learned of Peter's dual identity. Hell there is even a fight with Doc Ock thrown in. But like I said LIVES isn't about fights, it's a story that shows why Peter and MJ are meant to be together, why at the end of the day she's the one who knows him best. This book defined how I see these two characters ever since. It's a story I think more people (Spiderwriters and readers) should check out.
This was an awesome article. by Voice O. Reason	Jun 29th, 2004 10:20:24 PM
That is all.
I agree with Cormorant by sideshowbob	Jun 29th, 2004 11:04:05 PM
I'm a fan of all the talent amassed on the Spider-Man titles right now...I just don't think any of them have put it all together. It happens. Spidey works best for me as a love letter to New York City and its inhabitants, so much so that, like the Velvet Underground & Talking Heads, I never really got Spider-Man until I moved to New York. JMS gets this, although he doesn't always show it. The first movie got this, but was a little ham-handed in their execution of it (in a sweet way). It's the blueprint Stan Lee set down, and for that reason, and because Ditko kicks ass, the original creative team may actually be my favorite.
VGood.This one's for JJ.... by proper	Jun 30th, 2004 01:25:57 AM
Mcfarlane is a good artist though i was not a fan of his writing.I agree that he and others were overhyped at the time.The Spiderman he wrote/drew and Spawn= franchise comics rather than titles with their own voice.Team him up with good writers and get him drawing again.BTW is N.Gaiman still annoyed with him?.Roger Stern writes good stuff in general and I enjoyed his Starman DC run.
Spider-man by ChugeKnight	Jun 30th, 2004 01:36:57 AM
Hm. I personally don't understand why McFarlane is rated as high as he is or people would want him back on a Spider-book, I couldn't stand the art as a kid and I still don't like the art now. It'd sell, but I just don't get what's the big deal. Anyway. I'm liking Marvel Knights Spider-man. I think issue 2 was a big mis-step but after reading issue 4 I'm inclined to say it's probably my favorite Spider-man book. MK Spidey, Amazing, Ultimate, Spectacular, in that order. Lately the Ultimate book feels like it's dragging unecessarily. One thing I hate though, is the blatant disregard for Spidey's identity in all the books. When some random Airplane pilot knows Spider-man is Peter Parker for no good reason, like in the Ultimate Spidey Hollywood arc, it's just stupid. And I really don't get this hate for Millar, but I guess even Assholes need villians. Heh.
Repugnant Hyde In Daredevil by dwam0	Jun 30th, 2004 08:31:04 AM
I wasn't saying that I would like to see that kind of Hyde in Daredevil, I was saying that I REMEMBER a gruesome Hyde in Daredevil. Murdock had to get Hyde off on a murder that someone else did. The kicker was that Daredevil, becasue of his powers, knew Hyde was innocent but Matt has to prove it. And Matt was thinking about throwing the case the more he got to know Hyde in the courtroom. I remember finding Hyde to be such a vile person and then Daredevil just LETS HIM GO with a warning at the end of the issue when Hyde is menacing this couple in a dark alley.
The idea that Spidey's identity is a not-very-well-kept secret i by rev_skarekroe	Jun 30th, 2004 09:44:12 AM
It's when they start doing it in the regular Marvel U. that I have a problem with it. sk
Best Spider-Man comics EVER. by rev_skarekroe	Jun 30th, 2004 10:11:21 AM
http://www.jaypinkerton.com/bl og/archives/000831.html
Never really liked Spiderman... by Fantomex	Jun 30th, 2004 10:58:06 AM
Everyone always said he was so funny and witty... "Really?" I said. That was until I read the recent Blockbuster arc in Ultimate X-Men, where Spiderman was actually funny. Not just funny, hysterical. Maybe I've just been reading the wrong Spidey issues, or maybe Blockbuster was the exception that proves the rule.
Kraven's Last Hunt and the Spot by Homer Sexual	Jun 30th, 2004 11:07:18 AM
That's my favorite! Mike Zeck was the ideal artist for Black Spidey (and Cap A)and both Kraven and Vermin were very well characterized. I also liked a ridiculous issue of Peter Parker when he and Black Cat fought "The Spot" who could make spots for teleporting all or part of his body. 1 seriously excellent story, 1 wacky fun.
Hysterical Spidey by JonQuixote	Jun 30th, 2004 11:38:19 AM
You'll often find Spidey funnier in books where he's a supporting character (as I cough cough mention above). My favorite Spideycomedy moment is a Marx brothers-esque scene where a bunch of thugs are peeking around a corner, looking to mug Robbie Robertson or something. And they're talking about how they can do it. "I think we should hit him now." "I think we should wait 'til he gets to his car." Etc. * The next panel is an exact recreation only with Spider-Man's head at the top, saying "I think we should just let him go." Or something like that. Well, maybe you had to be there, but it had me rolling. * Other favorite funny Spidey moments: Acting shocked that HEROES REBORN She-Hulk doesn't remember the time they spent together as lovers in the HEROES RETURN mini. And reading Kingpin the list of fat jokes in ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN.
King Tut Lives by JonQuixote	Jun 30th, 2004 12:12:37 PM
Are you thinking of WHAT IF THE X-MEN HAD LOST INFERNO? http://image.milehighcomics.co m/istore/images/fullsize/95078 701518.6.GIF Not vampires, but rather the more 'feral' Marvel Characters succumbed to demonic possession. And yeah, the image of Wolverine skewering Spider-Man from behind, the claws protruding through the chest and stretching out the costume, was pretty horrid! The most disturbing for me though was the off-panel neck snapping of Johnny Storm, who extinguished himself after going Nova to protect Doc Strange and Rachel Summers.
Other Good Spider-Man What If...? by JonQuixote	Jun 30th, 2004 12:18:29 PM
WHAT IF SPIDER-MAN HAD BEEN POSSESSED BY THE ALIEN COSTUME. Apparently it would have sucked him dry, making him an old man, before moving on to bigger and badder hosts (like Thor). Lots of real emotion in this issue, including a great eulogy of Parker by Reed Richards, and a kick-ass ending with an awesome surprise guest star. But man, Peter really takes it in the pants in these WHAT IF... comics though.
I just saw Spiderman 2. What a cheesy trashy film. The action ma by TheGinger Twit	Jun 30th, 2004 10:12:15 PM

One of my favorite Spidey comics... by Dlhstar	Jul 1st, 2004 02:24:00 AM
IIRC a Peter David "Spectacular Spider-Man # 118." Has one of my favorite Spidey quotes, IIRC: "Beaten up by a kid... Now I'm going to have to slaughter a troop of Campfire Girls to save some face..." and a great story to boot.

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