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FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Posters!

clever pics by andymc	Jun 11th, 2004 05:28:09 AM
this looks so good i cant wait.
eh by ELGordo	Jun 11th, 2004 05:33:28 AM
The poster on top is not very good. Funny idea but not very well executed. The bottom one is pretty good though. Can't wait to see this.
Sigh more unoriginal fat comments by Spike fan	Jun 11th, 2004 05:38:15 AM
from the supporters of Dubya's war of freedumb. As for the pics they look pretty good.
Top one looks funny at least, bottom one looks cliche... by Jim Jam Bongs	Jun 11th, 2004 05:46:31 AM
Rush, Moore and Harry -- fat white guys who have lots of opinions about things they know jack about.
by Duffer63	Jun 11th, 2004 05:49:08 AM
You got to hand it to Michael Moore. Hes single handedly revitalised documentaries. Athough I do feel there is a fair bit of ego and propaganda involved you have to say that without Columbine we wouldnt have all the amazing documentaries that we have been able to see over the last two years
Thanks to overexposure on this site, I have ZERO INTEREST in wat by Jim Jam Bongs	Jun 11th, 2004 05:49:40 AM
And I believe I'm not the only one who feels the same way.
Free Speech by JUDAS'S PRIEST	Jun 11th, 2004 05:59:17 AM
This is an open letter to all fellow talk backers to please refrain from bickering and slandering on this talk back today. The film's coming out on June 25th and you don't have to see it if you don't want to. It's your twelve bucks after all and no-one is putting a gun to your head to spend it. Besides, now that the Old Gipper is dead and thousands of Americans (although I didn't see many black faces in the crowds in Washington) have turned out to see him lying in State etc I seriously doubt that Bush won't be re-elected. The nation is caught up once again in Patriotic fervour for the GOP and I don't see how Moore's film will make any differenc to the election outcome whatsoever. That said, I guarantee you that after another four years of Bush in the White House a lot of you will probably change your tune. It's the economy stupid!
That TOP poster is hysterical by darth_billy	Jun 11th, 2004 06:00:13 AM

News Flash by JWolf	Jun 11th, 2004 06:09:19 AM
He's not that clever. He's not that funny. Next.
What about.. by SilentType	Jun 11th, 2004 06:12:03 AM
'The Temperature at which truth burns'????? I loved that tagline.
Michael Moore by nmp03	Jun 11th, 2004 06:27:09 AM
I'm just not excited to see FAHRENHEIT 9/11. I don't think it is nearly as original or interesting as Bowling for Columbine. How hard is it to make a movie bashing this administration??? NOT VERY. And frankly his whole radical leftist persona is boring me. I get it he's a liberal, I feel like HE is the one trying to brainwash people to succumb to his way of thinking.
Brilliant Marketing by deathsjestbook	Jun 11th, 2004 06:29:07 AM
Call me cynical but I think these posters were prepared quite some time ago. Moore knows better than anyone the value of kicking up a huge fuss. Gladly the Republicans would have swept this film under the carpet but the advance hype made it impossible to do. It probably won't tell us anything we don't know but may at least crystallise the arguments for those who DON'T think George W. is a giggling demon sent forth to shit upon our humanity. And that can only be a good thing.
Of course there's an urgency to get this thing out. These so cal by TheGinger Twit	Jun 11th, 2004 06:36:05 AM

Satire or documentary??? by Vicconius	Jun 11th, 2004 06:40:49 AM
Harry says Moore is political satire mixed with political revelations. This has bugged me from the start with Moore. I used to love his anti-establishment stuff years ago until I found out that his "facts" don't usually hold up. He markets his movies as documentaries, he wins documentary non-ficion awards, yet when his facts are shown to be wrong he cries "satire" and even had the balls to tell a CNN anchor when confronted with these falsehoods that he's just a comedian. What a load. That bullshit artist Al Franken pulls the same thing. He says that all his facts are correct, but when proven false, hey lighten up. It's just "satire". FEH!
That top poster is great. The bottom one is a bit dire though. T by trouserpress	Jun 11th, 2004 07:06:19 AM
And that is that last thing anyone wants to be reminded of.
Mind you, it would have been funnier if Moore was dressed as Ton by trouserpress	Jun 11th, 2004 07:07:41 AM

re: Moore and the facts by Shad0wfax	Jun 11th, 2004 07:18:03 AM
I hate to say this but most of Moore's factual evidence IS correct, and it isn't just verified by himself but also by an army of lawyers who need to make sure his ass is covered for slander/litigation/whathaveyou . Have a look at his website where he addresses the issues that people raise with "Bowling for Columbine".
well said harry by speed	Jun 11th, 2004 07:34:21 AM
and duffer63. i really think documentaries (with a bit of comedy) will go thru a golden age in the next few years. people are becoming more willing to sit in a cinema and watch them. super size me is doing outrageously well considering it's budget. and i think thats what the studios are going to be looking at. low costs that return solid profits. just one break out doco would cover the cost of about 10 failures. all the best experimental work is being done in them now instead of short films as well. i gasped when i first saw the kid stays in the picture with it's trippy photo zooms. then i realised i was just as capable of doing them with photoshop in one hand and after effects in the other...and that first poster is classic. made me laugh but it looks fake.
Holy shit those posters are fucking brilliant! by lemmdin	Jun 11th, 2004 07:48:23 AM
Sweet!!
MOORE ISN'T REALLY HOLDING HANDS WITH BUSH THERE! THAT'S JUST M by SnapT	Jun 11th, 2004 07:53:51 AM
IMPEACH MICHAEL MOORE!!!!!!!11111
I'm surprised the posters actually got out. by Darksider	Jun 11th, 2004 08:11:27 AM
The movie almost didn't for fuck sake. Can't wait to see it.
less of Moore by Damer1	Jun 11th, 2004 08:44:18 AM
While Michael Moore is entertaining, his work hardly qualifies as documentary. PJ O'Rourke had a great comment on NPR yesterday how Mr. Moore, Al Franken, and Rush Limbaugh all spend their time converting the converted. By this he meant that their work only appeals to those that already agree with them because of the bombastic and caustic nature of their delivery. Just remember with editing just about anything can be made "true."
SolarTaco Lives -- You're an idiot by Scrnriter	Jun 11th, 2004 08:47:53 AM
A plant? Ummm.... duh. I think that email probably comes directly from the studio or from Moore's company. Harry never said it didn't. Nothing in that cut-and-paste email makes me think it was written by anyone but a marketing type. But yes, you're a very good detective. I would imagine the people who gave Harry the one sheets for the film in fact work for the studios. Nice work. You should be a cop. Moron.
Hitchens on Moore, a very funny and true quote. by nemov	Jun 11th, 2004 09:00:14 AM
"...speaking here in my capacity as a polished, sophisticated European... it seems to me the laugh here is on the polished, sophisticated Europeans. They think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and ignorant and so on. And they've taken as their own, as their representative American... someone who actually embodies all of those qualities." - Christopher Hitchens (btw Hitchens is a socialist from England, hardly a conservative)
New Film: "Michael Moore Hates America" by the G-man	Jun 11th, 2004 09:18:02 AM
http://www.michaelmoorehatesam erica.com/index.html Gee, I WONDER why Harry isn't covering THIS film incessantly?
Do you fucks even know what Documentary means? by numberface	Jun 11th, 2004 09:29:06 AM
Not all docs are cinema verite, with a cold, unbiased point of view. There is such a thing as Agit Prop - Agitation Propaganda, which uses a mixture of facts and polemic to make a strong, shocking political point. Attacking Moore for not being 'pure' documentary is total horseshit. He's a filmmaker, not a news reporter -- though I don't know of ANY american news reporters who are 'all about the facts'. So fuck off and shut up!
That "Michael Moore Hates America" movie looks pretty interestin by K0NY	Jun 11th, 2004 09:49:07 AM
Just curious whether this was a movie site or a politics site. Lately, I've seen lots of ass kissing for the powerful folks in Hollywood. Yet the true indie artists get no love. If you're going to cover the Bush bashing of Moore's movie, why not cover the Moore bashing of Mike's movie?
Ah yes, Moore is a such a soldier of truth... by Uga	Jun 11th, 2004 09:53:08 AM
that he uses a freakin' less-fat body double on his poster. If you can't even get truth from the poster, what do you expect from the movie?
I think we ALL know why "Michael Moore Hates America" isn't bein by the G-man	Jun 11th, 2004 09:53:53 AM
The same reason that Moore's film is. The same reason that Harry posted a gleeful punning review of the "Anchorman" trailer that mocked President Reagan on the day President Reagan died.
What about it FAT ASS HARRY ? by Raptorman101	Jun 11th, 2004 10:00:06 AM
Im like G-man why no news on the Michael Moore hates America film thats being made ? It wouldnt be that it makes your hero look like shit would it ?
Michael Moore hates America has been covered on this site you fu by gg	Jun 11th, 2004 10:08:35 AM
Besides, Harry decides what to post on HIS site, not you, you waste human dna, who can
Mori gave "Michael Moore Hates America" coverage, not Harry by the G-man	Jun 11th, 2004 10:36:53 AM
And certainly nothing close to incessant drum beat of coverage that Harry is giving to F/H 911. Which raises an interesting question: wasn't the original purpose of this site to cover new, interesting, unique, "Cool" news that you couldn't find anywhere else? You can read about Moore's film anywhere, from FOX News to Variety. Why shouldn't people ask Harry to go back to his roots and cover the films that don't get coverage any where else?
My fear... by rockgolf	Jun 11th, 2004 10:53:10 AM
..is that some right-winged nutjob will think it's God's or Dubya's wish to blow up a theater where this movie is playing. --- Please note: I have no inside knowledge that this will happen. I hope to God it doesn't happen. I don't support the idea, but to be honest, with the polarity of America right now if it happened, I would not be surprised. In. The. Least.
I kinda think maybe Michael Moore just makes these movies to mak by rev_skarekroe	Jun 11th, 2004 10:53:27 AM
Should a documentarian REALLY splash himself all over the movie poster? sk
Why "MM Hates America" isn't really being covered... by RenoNevada2000	Jun 11th, 2004 11:08:19 AM
Anyone can pout up a website and say that they're making a film. They don't have a distributor, a director who is a known quantity or really much to show outside of a trailer for this project. True, everybody starts out as a nobody, but they've given no proof that they deserve to be somebody. They need to put up or shut up...
Vicconius by RenoNevada2000	Jun 11th, 2004 11:10:43 AM
Rush Limbaugh played the whole "Hey, it's just satire, I'm an entertainer" card years before either Moore or Franken did, so if the fat guy on the right can do it, the fat guy on the left can. pass the oxicotten...
JimJamBongs- by RenoNevada2000	Jun 11th, 2004 11:11:59 AM
If you pass on Napoleon Dynamite, you're doing yourself a disservice. It's an extremely funny movie. Vote for Pedro!
I've seen plenty of films w/o distributors or name directors cov by the G-man	Jun 11th, 2004 11:41:08 AM
Most recently that Rex Steele, Nazi Smasher film.
Michael Moore Loves George W. Bush by MarkWhittington	Jun 11th, 2004 12:34:41 PM
Clearly we now know the source of Michael Moore's hatred for President Bush, looking at the first poster. It is not politics, but rather unrequited love. Moore should find someone else to yern for than a married, heterosexual Republican.
Hey Can AICN Cover One of MY OWN Fake Movies Then! by War_Tourist	Jun 11th, 2004 12:35:53 PM
Hey, if this site will cover fake movies like "michael moore hates america", can it also cover some movies I've been thinking about for a few decades? Like, I'd really like to have a movie that shows just the good that the republicans do. You now a series of clips showing US troops 'liberating' civilians of their lives, housing, property and future. Or what about how George Bush Jr. unilaterally invaded county after country isn't ANYTHING LIKE when Hitler unilaterally invaded county after country (hello, Hitler was GERMAN)! Or even how awesomely cool it is to make religion a huger and HUGER part of America. Why do anything meaningful in this life when you can spend it on your knees, repeating lines over and over again about some invisible superhero! When you die and the you buffet opens it
re: My Fear by readyoufool	Jun 11th, 2004 12:58:43 PM
Don't worry rockgolf. All the insane people are on the left side of the aisle this time around. Last time i checked it was the Enviroterrorists known as E.L.F. who were burning Hummers and other SUVs in some lame attempt at stopping...what? their production? polution? wow, that was about as effective as bombing an empty abortion clinic. But nonetheless, i wouldn't worry about any right-wing psychos this time around. If you're still scared about seeing this thing a theater, however, i suppose you could download it and then send Michael Moore $8.50 or $10 via paypal everytime you see it.
Ray Bradbury hates Michael Moore. by Blok Narpin	Jun 11th, 2004 12:59:12 PM
I forget where this news report originated from: Bradbury Slams Moore Legendary SF author Ray Bradbury has ripped into filmmaker Michael Moore for using the title Fahrenheit 9/11 for his new Bush-bashing movie, an obvious takeoff on the 84-year-old's science-fiction classic Fahrenheit 451, the WorldNetDaily.com Web site reported. Bradbury reportedly told the Swedish daily newspaper Dagens Nyheter, "Michael Moore is a screwed a--hole, that is what I think about that case," according to an English translation of the story. "He stole my title and changed the numbers without ever asking me for permission." Bradbury added, "[Moore] is a horrible human being. Horrible human!" When asked if he agreed with Moore's political positions, Bradbury replied, "That has nothing to do with it. He copied my title; that is what happened. That has nothing to do with my political opinions." According to the Swedish daily, Bradbury said he had tried to discuss the issue with Moore several months ago, but that the director avoided him, the site reported. According to the report, Bradbury refused to say if he would take legal action against Moore. oh, and ClareQuilty? What you've just posted about Reagan and Bush is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this Talkback is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Who REALLY hates America? Oh, so often, it's the guys who deman by lettersoftransit	Jun 11th, 2004 01:23:36 PM

Yawn.....liberal hollywood trying to influence elections... by Retrace	Jun 11th, 2004 01:24:12 PM
A bunch of pretentious, self-absorbed, ego maniacs who aren't happy just entertaining us - they have to tell us their political views. Come back to reality without your $3,000 shoes, $1000 haircuts, million dollar houses and I might take you seriously. BTW did you notice in Shrek 1 when the king was in bed with his shirt off watching the magic mirror - that he got an erection right before he looked under the sheets. It happens quick - and you might think its his hand that makes the sheet move...but its not. giggle. Fags!
how is this "cool news" ? by ZO	Jun 11th, 2004 01:53:00 PM
just liberal BS propoganda by a filmmaker who has an agenda
Oh, no by Loup LeBeau	Jun 11th, 2004 02:03:11 PM
Don't tell me you bought into this "pie in the face of establishment" crap. Think for a second: do you really think the guy who scores the top prize in one of the most important film festivals in the world isn't himself part of the "establishment"? Oh, I forgot. "Establishment" is what we call people we don't agree with.
So, a film without a distributor now counts as a "fake film" huh by the G-man	Jun 11th, 2004 03:35:47 PM
I must have imagined all those "Bubba Ho Tep" articles over the last year.
MM is just another tool of the Socialist Elite by Saxster	Jun 11th, 2004 05:23:22 PM
MM is consumate hypocrit. He flies around in expensive private jets and then tells everyone lies in order to perpetuate the Socialist agenda here and overseas. Why else do you think the French love him so much? The man is just fueling propaganda that draws attention from the real attrocities that have gone on and are costing American lives everyday: Oil for Food scandal in the United Nations in which France and Germany have very dirty hands. Fuck Michael Moore. Traitor.
spaaaam by settojerry	Jun 11th, 2004 06:28:16 PM
I count one Moore story on the front page and maybe 4 Riddick's. The reality here is obvious: Harry has a blatant Vin Diesel bias, and is only talking about the picture to elect him in the upcoming election. I want to get you all behind my upcoming feature, which you can read more about at www.aintitcoolhasAIDSnobodybre atheinitsairorelse youwillgetittoo.com There's a trailer at the website, you can see footage of me discussing the film with a series of radio DJ's, but none of the actual issues are dealt with at all. That's really all you need. THE TRUTH CANNOT BE HIDDEN!!!1 I AM A PATRIOT!!!
the G-man, let it go by coop	Jun 11th, 2004 06:36:13 PM
Bubba Ho-Tep had Bruce (and Ossie) and it was a real movie. Besides , anything Bruce does is news. Just quit bringing up some pseudo film that no one will ever see and no one will ever distribute. You don't have a valid point. It's not because of the subject matter, it's because it's just some dork with a film title and a website. I know several people who have made "films" over the years and they have never been mentioned by Harry either.
G-Man by RenoNevada2000	Jun 11th, 2004 06:48:23 PM
Bubba Ho-Tep was in no way a "fake film" just because it didn't have a director, as it was directed by a known director and featured two knwon actors. Thanks for playing though...
Don't knwo about Farenheit 9/11... but I'll sure go see M. Moore by Robofag	Jun 11th, 2004 06:58:43 PM
That pic with Moore and Bush having a pleasant romantic walk through the parks gave me tears... Oh it was soo touching! Why does liberal and neocons jsut don`t stop tearing themselves up and begin to live ion the harmony of Gay love!!!
STOMP THE ELEPHANTS by bushsux	Jun 11th, 2004 07:27:24 PM
Dumb conservatives like to call Michael Moore fat. Why? Because they have no better defense for the injustices to America and the rest of the world that they and their party have done. Let's get started with W's shananigans 1) the quagmire in Iraq 2) ignoring Al-Queda until it was too late 3) a slumping economy 4)an exploding deficit 5)the erosion of civil liberties as a result of the PATROIT Acts I and II 6) the prohibition on stem cell research ( sorry Alzheimer's victims, looks like you'll have to wait until next year after Kerry is elected) 7) the erosion of reproductive rights etc. But who cares? Michael Moore is fat!
Obviously a body double by headcrash35	Jun 11th, 2004 07:34:26 PM
Mike is way way fatter than what that poster shows. Too may trips and supersize bonuses at fast food places I guess. This guy who claims to be sooooo anti-establishment and anti-corprorate, and yet, he is one of the biggest corporate whores out there with no original ideas. Everything in this so-called documentary has already been covered over a year ago by 60 minutes and CNN. This really does nothing but just preach to the choir that already hated America to begin with long before the Iraq war.
Yawn... Stubborn Republicans With No Way To Rationalize The Mess by bushsux	Jun 11th, 2004 07:38:32 PM
Are any of these conservative apologists aware of the repercussions of the Patriot Act? Okay, to sum it up, the FBI can search your home, medical files, bank accounts, cars, and even your e-mail without probable cause, let alone a warrant. Ofcourse now I'm going to hear the "well if you have nothing to hide argument" which is ridiculous. Then what is the concept of privacy good for? Where do we draw the line. The Patriot Act II allows the government the ability to detain you without having to tell anyone about your whereabouts. We'll see how much of a tough-guy Republican you are when the Feds one day search your home inside out, check all your bank accounts, e-mail accounts and detain you without your wife and kids even knowing where you are. By the way, Reagan sucks.
Wow Headcrash! You know the world situation is terrible right no by bushsux	Jun 11th, 2004 07:42:57 PM
Hey guys, like I said, another simple, short-sighted conservative with no real way to defend bush so he calls Michael Moore fat. My republican friends, it's starting to sound pathetic.
The trouble with Liberals is they apparently can't read. by Saxster	Jun 11th, 2004 08:01:58 PM
To the uninformed Liberals that keep whining like this is the 60's reborn: -- You want to learn why we are in Iraq? You want to know what you really should be worrying about and who you should be spending your hours preaching to and converting to your Utopian vision of the world? -- Read just one of these books, I dare you, and then wake the hell up. -- We are at war, fools. FREEDOM HAS A PRICE, it has always had one. Get off Momma's tit, put down the crack pipe or the bong and go find out what is REALLY going on. -- If you don't, I assure you, it will find us all soon enough. All it takes is one evil bastard with a plan and the willingness to die to wreak havoc on our Nation - 9/11 proved that -- and yet I still see so many sychopants sucking up to the likes of Michael Moore and denouncing a great man like Ronald Reagan. -- Enough! -- READ and LEARN. And then what? DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR COUNTRY! -- http://www.manhattan-institute .org/cfml/printable.cfm?id=133 2 -- http://www.memri.org/ -- http://pmw.org.il/ -- http://jihadwatch.org/ == Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out, by Ibn Warraq -- Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror by Richard Miniter -- Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism by Dore Gold -- Friends in Deed: Inside the U.S.-Israel Alliance by Yossi Melman, Dan Raviv -- An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror by DAVID FRUM & RICHARD PERLE
Chill out Ray by justathought	Jun 11th, 2004 09:39:04 PM
Ray BRadbury- we love u man but chill out. Whoever owns the publishing rights to your novel 451 probably has the title trademarked or at least protected in some way. Stop bitching and sick the lawyers on Moore. Personally I dont really like moore but he is bringing to light some actual ties between the wealthy saudis families and the Bush idiots, shamlessly ignored by our and lots of the outside world's media- so I look forward to seeing his film.
and lastly by justathought	Jun 11th, 2004 09:48:18 PM
I don't come to this site often so I'm sure MANY people have commented on this but.... This whole grayscale-tile background picture of Kind Kong and his mighty shlong is really F'N bugging me. (or making me feel a hella inadequate!)
some advice for bushsux and everyone else regardless of politica by godaikin73	Jun 11th, 2004 10:06:22 PM
I'm on the fence, so to speak, on many issues covered by the patriot act, largely because both points of views have legitimate but conflicting arguments. That being said, do some research and learn the facts before you make up your mind on an issue, and... before you post. bushsux - "Are any of these conservative apologists aware of the repercussions of the Patriot Act?" Are you? bushsux - "Okay, to sum it up, the FBI can search your home, medical files, bank accounts, cars, and even your e-mail without probable cause, let alone a warrant. Of course now I'm going to hear the "well if you have nothing to hide argument" which is ridiculous." I hear various iterations of this argument from a lot of liberals AND republicans alike. It is by and large, a sensational exaggeration of the truth. Generally speaking, the people most upset, are the ones who are least informed about the act (in this particular instance Section 215) Section 215 provides law enforcement agencies with the legal ability to obtain information from third party entities. They may do so ONLY after receiving a court order from a judge. Yes, they may also enter your home but they do in fact have to obtain a warrant first. bushsux - "Then what is the concept of privacy good for? Where do we draw the line?" Ironically, it is the Patriot Act that draws such a line. Before it passed, the collection of electronic data was a somewhat grey area, with few concrete laws governing the way electronic communications could be monitored. The Patriot Act makes it a crime for anyone, be it college hacker or yes, government agency, to read your email without a court order. bushsux - "Wow Headcrash! You know the world situation is terrible right now because of the current administration but who cares! Moore is fat!" Sarcasm is often a vessel used by people with no true argument, so even if you did have a valid point somewhere in your post, you do yourself and others who share your point of view a disservice with your inane ranting. I would suggest you do some more research and refrain from the hypocrisy of communicating your ideas in the very manner that you attempt to mock. If you want to read the patriot act for yourself, which you obviously have not, you can find it here. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go v/cgibin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107 _cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ 056.107 Thank you, please drive through.
Bleh.. Moore by Darth Melkor	Jun 11th, 2004 10:15:20 PM
He's a smart guy, but I don't put any stock into his films. You can make your movie say anything. Some other filmmaker could make a film that makes Bush look like Jesus Christ if they wanted to. It's like the world is a reality show, and Moore's Mark Burnett. He can make you look however he wants.
I can't help it I love Mike by Torgol	Jun 11th, 2004 11:29:58 PM
If I was on the other side of the battle line I would probably hate him but he just appeals to the angry liberal in me. No one ever denys that he is can be an obnoxious prick but he is usually a prick with a point.
GO MICHAEL MOORE!!! by WoodyStiffer	Jun 12th, 2004 12:40:29 AM
Thank goodness for people like him and Harvey Weinstein!
godaikin73 by WoodyStiffer	Jun 12th, 2004 12:43:24 AM
godaikin73 - maybe you should try some research. The patriot act has already been used to secretly try and get information on COLLEGE STUDENTS who staged a peaceful war protest. In Ohio I believe - I lost the story links. Sound like terrorists to you?
Fat Pig by Mumakata	Jun 12th, 2004 01:40:20 AM
Man, that micheal Moore is a fat pig. Has he thought that maybe a shower and a shave may make him look human. But I forgot, he wants to look like a common man. Anyways, his movies are shite, his books are shite, and his politics are shite.
Honesty in advertising by KCMOSHer	Jun 12th, 2004 04:48:58 AM
Hey, you have to give Moore and his cronies one thing, at least the first poster is honest: it's just as genuine as most of the 'facts' presented in the film.
WHY THE PATRIOT ACT STILL SUCKS AND GODAIKEN73 HAS NO IDEA WHAT by bushsux	Jun 12th, 2004 06:23:13 AM
Remarkably, this 342-page law was written, passed (by a 98-1 vote in the U.S. Senate) and signed into law within seven weeks of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. As a result, the government gained new power to wiretap phones, confiscate property of suspected terrorists, spy on its own citizens without judicial review, conduct secret searches, snoop on the reading habits of library users, and so General John Ashcroft wants to finish the job. On Jan. 10, 2003, he sent around a draft of PATRIOT II; this time, called "The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003." The more than 100 new provisions, Justice Department spokesperson Mark Corallo told the Village Voice recently, "will be filling in the holes" of PATRIOT I, "refining things that will enable us to do our job." Though Ashcroft and his mouthpieces have issued repeated denials that the draft represents anything like a finished proposal, the Voice reported that: "Corallo confirmed ... that such measures were coming soon." You can read the entire 87-page draft here. Constitutional watchdog Nat Hentoff has called it "the most radical government plan in our history to remove from Americans their liberties under the Bill of Rights." Some of DSEA's more draconian provisions: Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But
http://www.repealnow.com/cora/st reetpetition.htm by bushsux	Jun 12th, 2004 06:24:24 AM
Click on the site to sign a petition to repeal this garbage - unless if you like some overpaid FBI agent looking at your personal e-mails.
MOORE ROCKS by bushsux	Jun 12th, 2004 06:33:40 AM
My earlier post where I pointed out some of the major deficiencies in the current administration, the only point I made that any conservative had the guts to go against was about the Patriot Act. It's pretty safe to say I have just won that argument by proving that the act is just a bs excuse to take away our civil liberties. What about the other problems of George W. Bush's administration? Any explanations or counterarguments to that? Anything better than "Michael Moore needs to lose weight?" COnservatives, do us a all a favor and stay out of our country's business. You are a liability.
If Bush gets back in, you Americans (and probably the rest of us by gersisgod	Jun 12th, 2004 10:32:38 AM
Your president is a joke. I'm sorry, but he is....and that's what Mike's trying to tell you. I don't hate America but please... no more dubya. Please?
heh, Michael Moore gets called "fat" & "liar" and some guys want by SHIVA	Jun 12th, 2004 11:17:56 AM
Please think up something new.
F911 is pretty tame from what I hear by SexyBeast	Jun 12th, 2004 01:28:01 PM
From what I've heard from the Hollywood preimere, F911 is pretty soft in the way of actually making accusations of any importance against Bush. About the toughest jab thrown is the implication that because Bin Laden's family was flown out of the States, Bush somehow knew in advance that 911 would happen. And thats it. The rest is basically exposing beauracracy, like we didn't know mountains of red tape prevents anything in Govt from happening. Michael Moore has overhyped this film so much , most people are going to come away with a "Thats it?" attitude.
Hah! Those posters are hilarious! by morGoth	Jun 12th, 2004 04:30:19 PM
Gee, does that mean Dubya is gay? Oh, wait, you mean they aren't REALLY holding hands? Now Harry, please don't lump all of us Americans together...some of us DO read the editorials and keep informed. The other sheep though...
1ST Documentory to top the B.O by SIR-SLEDGE450	Jun 12th, 2004 04:32:02 PM
People are underestimating this film.Look at the facts.Its won the palme dor,which usualyy wouldnt give a film that big a lift in its opening weekend.But the contreversy thats spawned from that is publicity nobody,not even the weinsteins,could buy. Its probably the most talked about film this year, and its subject matter (Bush/War on terror) is being constantly being enforced upon the american public and the world. Plus,its competiton isnt really that strong,with most 'front loaders' being saved for the follwing weekend. And no matter what peoples political aopinos and there opinoons of moore,i think people will still come out and see this.Its going to become an important peice of americana,like it or not, and wether or not u like him or not,moore and the weinsteins are very,very clever buisnessmen.Dont be surprised if,on june 27th,The fat guy who did canadian bacon is sitting pretty at the top. Still wont do $100 million domestic....
If Moore really speaks the truth... by NUKE MAYHEM	Jun 12th, 2004 08:58:18 PM
sarcasticlyThen NRA is just a faction of the KKK(see the end of the cartoon skit in Bowling for Coliumbine to see what I mean.). Moore is just a self-serving ass-hole who's riding the "american rebel" persona for fame and fandom. And if Kerry becomes president, I won't be a damn bit surprised if Moore makes a documentry about how he's a evil monster like he's doing to Bush, who's just cleaning up a mistake a pass president made, and giving the people of Iraq the chance of true freedom(NOT THE LEFT-WING BULL-SHIT THAT "HE'S SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND CHILDREN FOR OIL AND HIS PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION").
Bush/Cheney 2004 by mcflytrap	Jun 12th, 2004 09:09:28 PM
Moore wouldn't know truth if it bit him on the ass. BFC has been put in its place for quite some time now. Anyone with any remote intelligence knows Moore fabricates information and misleads his audiences into believing his tales. You believe Moore, you are just as brainwashed as you claim the Bush supporters are. I challenge anyone to check the facts on BFC and put up a halfway decent argument for the film and the lies it projects.
Skip this skewed piece of crap and go see "Michael Moore Hates A by andromere	Jun 13th, 2004 12:51:04 AM
I know I'm probably dreaming, but here's to hoping it outdoes this pile of doo..
I don't like this man at all by Immortal_Fish	Jun 13th, 2004 07:35:20 AM
He's obviously got something to sell. This is fine. We all do. It puts bread on the table. And yet, I don't particularly care for it from a self-proclaimed peddler of The Truth. Take a good look at that bottom picture. He's all grinny, visibly relishing the idea that he's found something so juicy that'll really put the hurt on Bush. He's missed the point that this is about 3000+ innocents. The man is harvesting souls. He's a reaper of discontent and a as evil as a pawnshop owner. So many of you have allowed your hatred for Bush to cloud your perception. The US made a mistake getting into bed with Saddam and Osama in the 80s. You're making a mistake getting into bed with Moore now. Those people want us all dead, no matter what side we're on. Please realize this now before something worse happens.
Stupid Liberals by Shmeelie	Jun 13th, 2004 08:15:37 AM
What a bunch of turd piles you liberals are. You know Michael Moore is a lying bastard, as is Bill Clinton, and John Kerry. But they get a free pass because....why? Bush is going to kick your asses in November. Isn't it funny how Kerry's whole plan for Iraq is centered on bringing in the UN to solve the world's problems. Now that there is a UN resolution on Iraq, what is Lurch going to use now? Stupid liberals, never thinking. All emotion and no intellect. Never an original thought. THe world has outgrown your usefulness long ago.
What is all this hate with Michael Moore about? by YannickIsaac	Jun 13th, 2004 09:55:56 AM
I don't understand all this animosity people spew out about Michael Moore. He's just very normal guy who is exposing a political opinion that no one else is. That is the point he's trying to make. Have you ever seen the voter turnout in this country. It's disturbing. Most people don't vote. The only reason why is because they don't see a point. Of course if all these people voted we would probably have a new party. That would be something wouldn't it. Maybe that's what this country needs. I mean we don't hear about the whigs or the Federalists. What happened? Well, their ideals became obsolete. We need change. And I'm not a democrat either. IN some ways conservatives are right. I want more power to the states. Too much bueacracy costs money that we don't need to spend.
killed by ftoad	Jun 13th, 2004 10:24:01 AM
Moore should be dragged out of his car and beaten to death. Why dont you go make your ignorant Left-left wing films in another Country? Oh, that's right; cause he wouldnt be allowed to. Fat fuck.
still here darth? by Jon L. Ander	Jun 13th, 2004 12:45:44 PM
This is one prolonged farewell
Response to Lucious868's Dumb Comment by bushsux	Jun 13th, 2004 03:17:08 PM
I find it ironic that with all the issues going on in the world(i.e the mess in Iraq, the shitty economy) all conservative simpletons can talk about is Michael Moore's weight. Yes, Michael Moore is fat, but so are Newt Gingrich and Rush Lmibaugh(who is also a drug addict have you). The only difference is that Gingrich and Limbaugh are fat dumb fucks who could give two shits about the working man, minorities, women, gays and just about any other group that doesn't include angry, rich white guys. Their conservative philosophy is running this country into the ground and Moore is exposing it. That is why you hate Moore and make childish remarks about his weight.
Another Regressivecan's Comment Analyzed by bushsux	Jun 13th, 2004 03:30:51 PM
I got this e-mail the other day as a response to my being critical of Ronal Reagan on this site: "No, I can guarantee, you wont be seeing me at Kerry's inauguration.(I personally invited him, am I a nice guy or what!?) I've already inaugurated him into the Hall Of Traitors, so at least he'll have that. As have many of his Vietnam cohorts.(What makes Kerry a traitor? He spoke out against the Vietnam War after he fought in it? First off it was his constitutional right, second HE FOUGHT IN THAT DAMN WAR!) Yeah, as you say "most of the country thinks Kerry is ok," yet he is evenly divided with Bush in the polls, or even take a few points from your guy...once you throw Nader into the mix.(Actually, according to a USA Today Poll, Kerry had a 7 point lead, with Nader thrown in the mix, it was a 6 point lead still.) You said you heard he was seven points ahead in the polls, according to what you heard, well stop listening to Liberal media outlets.(USA Today? LOL) The Liberal Angle Times, Communist Nazi Network(Wow, I didn't know that's what LA Times and CNN stood for, the nerve on those people!) and the left wing ilk wont give you the news without a left tilt.(Again, conservatives whining about a supposed "liberal" conspiracy.) Remember the old quote, if you say a lie enough times, it becomes the truth. These media types are counting on it!!(Those damn media types! When will they learn!?) But in the end, Kerry realistically cannot even get the support of all of his fellow Vietnam soldiers.(I guess the ones with stock in Halliburton will be voting for Bush again) So yes, fuck you!(Oooh, you're turning me on.) I said I was a traditionalist, not a square. And you should see me...long haired rock musician and all!(This guy sounds like a fucking stud!) And I'm taking my rocking friends along with me to the polls for Bush.(Who? Poison? The Bangles?) Because us artists, that truly believe in free speech, don't automatically vote Democrat!(No, you vote for the Patriot Act!) True freedom is supporting the liberation of the oppressed! Something your boy John Kerry forgot about, back in the jungles of Vietnam.(What? When he was dodging bullets while George W. Bush was skipping drill weekends to snort coke? That Kerry man, what a coward! Bush is the real hero!)" - As you can see, my Republican friends must have been drinking from the same fountain as they're hero Dan Quayle for their IQ seems to be dipping daily.
Okay, mcflytrap... by artsnob	Jun 13th, 2004 04:58:11 PM
No problemo: http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo rds/wackoattacko/
totally off subject but.. by slappy jones	Jun 13th, 2004 09:40:38 PM
you know that mcdonalds doco coming out super size me..let me get something straight.. this guy ate nothing but mcdonalds for 30 days morning noon and night. and he got fat and sick. what is the shock here? isnt it just like common sense that if you that much junk food you would get sick. if you ate KFC like that you would get sick...pizza hut....if i ate ice cream every day for breakfast lunch and dinner for 30 days..i dont need to make a doco about it i can pretty much guess I am going to get sick. shouldnt this "super size me" film just be called "dumb asshole"?i could understand it if mcdonalds were running ads which said "eat mcdonalds every single day at every single meal. go on. you wont get sick we promise" then yeah I could see the point but i dont see what this smug mike moore wannabe fuck's point is. of course you get sick if you eat like that. it is like those fat kids trying to sue mcdonalds for making them fat. what the fuck....i am glad that judge throught their fat asses out of court. what a load of shit. i am a fat guy. a very fat guy because I eat shit food all the time. I like it and it is my fault. and as for the kids in this film that can name ronald mcdonald more then they can name jesus so what? how dare mcdonalds have such a great marketing strategy....maybe the church should start selling burgers to lift their game...i was just reading about this film and it just sounded like a load of horseshit. sorry...
Right is right by ftoad	Jun 13th, 2004 10:34:35 PM
I like what LORENZO said above (MOORE LIES 1, 2, 3). Even if the film, F911, mentions that Bush had some of Osama's family members secretly flown out of America the day of Sept. 11th, you have to remember, those family members DONT LIKE OSAMA EITHER. BUSH WAS PROTECTING OSAMA's INNOCENT FAMILY MEMBERS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY"REW BAD JUST BECAUSE THEY"RE FROM THE SAME SPERM or VAGINA AS OSAMA. Left-Wingers suck. We dont live in an idealistic world, people! Wake up!!! ALl Left Wingers say is that Bush practices COWBOY DIPLOMACY (shoot first, ask questions later). Well, would you rather Bush practice OSTRICH DIPLOMACY (bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening)? Those people are going to HATE US no matter what we do. If we buried our head in the sand and uignored them, they'd have less respect for us, hate us more, and get MORE POWERFUL in the meantime. Go hang out with asshole Janine Garafolo and George "bad-actor" Clooney!!!
Kerry should stay away from these movie guys. by shekinah	Jun 13th, 2004 11:41:36 PM
It's made Al Gore seem like a screaming loser. It was better when movies layered their political beliefs beneath the surface, you knew it was there if you looked. Now, all stars do is blindly promote it like that twit Lee Lee Sobieski. Playing sax on Arsenio worked for Clinton, but back then Hollywood didn't make films about how everyone in United States shot each other and highest murder rate. We don't by the way. India does clocking about 32000 plus a year. Russia comes in second. Most of their murders don't involve guns.
No documentary is truly objective. by Daryl van Horn	Jun 14th, 2004 01:55:10 AM
Every documentary maker has a point to make when he chooses his topic. Every single one. Which is why I found Moriarty's complaint a bit odd. Moore's sarcastic tone and "I-don't-care-who-I-piss-off" attitude turn some people off, but as Harry said, the man raises valid questions that few others ask so openly or boldly. And guess what, they need to be asked. That's all that matters. For every Ashcroft a country needs a shouter with a bullhorn like Moore. The key to america's free speech is balance. An Al Franken for every Limbaugh. A meathead for every Archie. So disagree with each other but don't tell each other to shut up. That's not the point of freedom. And every time I check his facts they check out btw. And besides, with people like Limbaugh, Coulter or O'Reilly just making stuff up and completely misquoting people, it seems an odd thing to complain about from the right. At least Moore gives people a chance to speak, and to prove him wrong. It's not his fault that they wind up proving him right. The right wing pundits on TV simply gang up on liberals, interrupt their every word and then tell them to shut up. That's what I did agree with Moriarty on: that any political discussion these days instantly turns into yelling and mudslinging. And I have to say, while both sides get ugly, it's generally the right wingers who just instantly start namecalling and then say very little else. How about you go see Moore's movie, think about why you disagree and why you think he's wrong. Then come here and say those things in a normal way. Don't just yell out names like 'fat', 'liberal', and 'idiot', and don't hate his film beforehand just because he's not 'of your tribe'. And if the left wingers can do the same, just in their case: listen to Moore and think 'IS he right? And why?' and maybe, just maybe we can have a calm and intelligent discussion about politics on this board. Really, it could be possible.
So what if Bush practices "cowboy diplomacy" and shoots first, a by Triumph poops!	Jun 14th, 2004 02:07:40 AM
Yes, hands up -- you know it. We'd all pick Shatner. We'd all want Kirk and the guy who shoots first and asks questions later commanding the Enterprise as we tried to win a war. And a WAR is what we're in against these radical Islamics, who want everyone who ISN'T a fellow radical Islamic dead. I'm not talking about sane, rational Muslims who practice their religion -- I'm talking about these fucking nut jobs that really just want to see every Westerner DEAD and out of their way. And if you don't realize THAT'S the emotion these guys bring to the table and that this current conflict is like the Crusades: Part 2, then you've seriously got your head up your ass. As for the Kirk analogy, I think that says it all. Had Al "I've become emotionally unglued and now scream at rallies like a mental patient" Gore been in charge on 9/11 this country would have ALREADY seen further attacks both here and abroad and been totally screwed. And if Kerry was ever in charge during an attack, head for the hills. He's such a lying, flip-flopping weasel he'd be calling up Jacques Chiraq and the French on speed dial for tips on how to surrender. You think Kerry is Shatner/Kirk material and actually has the balls to stand up to terrorists? This guy has NO spine or backbone for a fight. Hell, this clod petitioned for (and got) his OWN transfer home from Vietnam after getting wounds that were so incredibly minor they required Snoopy bandaids. And his sense of loyalty and patriotism towards his Band of Brothers -- who were still in the rice paddies fighting for their lives -- was so great that the moment he got stateside, he started to protest and claim they were committing war atrocities. And of course this is the same guy who NOW wants you to believe he's all pro-military and would have the average GI respecting him more than Bush. Fuck, for all the talk of Kerry in Vietnam, how can you even compare him to someone like McCain who truly paid a price...or even compare him to Ollie North who vowed that he wouldn't leave Nam till every man in his unit under him went home first -- and he honored that commitment and stayed there, down to the very last man sent home. If Kerry was in command of the Enterprise and running blocker at the Neutral Zone, rest assured the Klingons, Romulans, Borg and even Earthbound delinquent teenagers would have conquered the planet before he ever got off a shot. And the biggest laugh about this FAHRENHEIT movie? For all the hype and ranting here by people like Harry and others who are politically cluesless, it will come out... uber libs will flock to it in sufficient numbers to generate some good initial box office figures (thus keeping money in Michael Moore's wallet and food on his plate so he can keep shoveling more down his dinosaur-like cavity)... and then the hoopla will fade, a new movie will be out to capture everyone's attention or the latest contestant on AMERICAN IDOL will push FAHRENHEIT aside since news and entertainment trends must go on... and Fahrenheit will ultimately have NO effect. Why? Because the fucking twats who are going to see this drivel are ALREADY predisposed or planning to vote for Kerry -- meanwhile, those predisposed or planning to vote for Bush WON'T SEE IT AT ALL. They'll purposely stay away in droves. Even if someone's on the fence about their vote in November, that implies they're a thinking person who is willing to deliberate the ISSUES and thus they WON'T let a screeching, shrewish movie by someone like Moore (who everyone knows is a lunatic out to promote himself like a carny huckster) sway their final vote. So I suspect even a good number of those people will stay away. Sure, some will go out of media interest (or literally dragged by their liberal buddies) but others will surely say "No thanks. I'm not getting caught up in this silly hoopla and making Michael Moore richer over nothing." Bottom line: what the left ALWAYS seems to forget as they foam at the mouth like rabid dogs in their ravenous hate for Bush (which tells you alot about the Democratic party these days to begin with, acting like such spoiled bratty children) is that come November EVERYONE STILL VOTES ALONE IN A BOOTH. And once people are alone, they'll vote their pocketbook for how they feel things are going THAT DAY or how they feel about their overall personal safety THAT DAY and -- gasp, what a shock! -- Michael Moore won't even enter into the equation. In fact, FAHRENHEIT will have no effect months from now. Even if they race it onto DVD, again both sides will part like the Red Sea. Libs will buy it and vote the way they would've voted anyway, those on the right will boycott it. In short: come November, the average American will be saying what I already say about Moore and FAHRENHEIT: "Who cares what this fucking guy thinks? It's MY vote and I'll vote the way I want -- not the way Michael Moore is going to try and manipulate me into voting."
Sorry, but since libs say "Why does the right pick on Moore's we by Commando Cody	Jun 14th, 2004 02:35:51 AM
So much for being a harbinger of the truth, eh? Let me get this right: This guy can't even admit the simple truth about his own mug, doesn't even have the basic courage to put his REAL whale-like appearance on a poster (instead he tries to glamorize himself by airbrushing off 2 tons), but then he thinks I give 2 shits what he "honestly" has to say about Bush or the upcoming election? Michael Moore is a lying huckster of the first magnitude who is only interested in...yes, believe it or not, Michael Moore. This guy doesn't give a shit about the average American -- in fact, the very way Moore leads his own personal life and runs his business practices even demonstrates he's a hypocrite over the very things he preaches. This sack of shit can't eat a chicken bone and choke on it too soon to put a smile on my face. What a fucking grandstanding loser this guy is.
How... contemporary to bash Bush for lack of 'terrorism-predicti by The Killer-Goat	Jun 14th, 2004 04:39:06 AM
because if memory serves, there were vague reports of Al Qaeda being tossed in Clinton's face during his second term, and he either dismissed them or treated them with the same level of attention/commitment as his half-assed resolve for the war in Somalia, as witnessed when he yanked our boys out of there to prevent any more 'incidents', rather than finishing what he originally committed a large contingent of american soldiers to do: oust a ruthless, well-armed dictator and his gang. Notice how nicely that whole failed fiasco got brushed under the carpet. Clinton didn't even listen, so where does this 'advanced warning' problem REALLY start...? No administration involved in such an openly visible war will get full vocal support, nor should it if there's going to be some sense worked out in the end. But I'd say the media coverage under the Bush administration is a lot less stringent or subdued that what we've seen in the past with previous administrations.
Liberals organize protests....Republicans hire PR firms. by TedSallis	Jun 14th, 2004 01:45:35 PM
Hill & Knowlton's had a busy year!!
Liberals organize protests....Republicans hire PR firms. by TedSallis	Jun 14th, 2004 01:47:53 PM
Hill & Knowlton's had a busy year!!
Hahahaha by allhailthomyorke	Jun 14th, 2004 11:15:50 PM
Oh geez-I am seriously going to get that poster of Moore and Dubya framed. That's one of the freaking funniest things I've seen in a long time.
How's that? by allhailthomyorke	Jun 14th, 2004 11:24:33 PM
Those who want and try to get Bush out of office are damned? Hmmm....kinda like the doomed fate of those who actually tried to stand up against the tyranny of Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mussolini? You want to know one truly great thing about this country? It's that we're not denied the fundamental right to dissent. The above dictators did, however, deny this to the people. It seems you and Hitler might have had some fun times going out drinking together, discussing in your drunken stupor (which I'm not sure is much different from your sober ignorance) how "good" people always agree with and obey those in power and those who don't must be wiped out.
Think.... by allhailthomyorke	Jun 14th, 2004 11:32:22 PM
2 things: (1) You, Lorenzo di Medici, are a nobody, and you know it. I'm sure that not too many people care what you think. (2) However, things COULD change. When something is widely publicized, it is more accessible, and therefore more "interesting" than those items that are only whispered about on an online forum. So, if in fact you decide to write and publish a book (this may be a problem for you as it might entail having to leave your house and therefore, your computer) about Moore's cake frosting pedophilia, I'm quite certain that you WOULD be hearing from his lawyers. There are laws against publishing false information and passing it off as truth. If Moore's claims could be proven wrong, why haven't they, and if they're obvious fabrications, why has no legal action been taken?
Think.... by allhailthomyorke	Jun 14th, 2004 11:32:22 PM
2 things: (1) You, Lorenzo di Medici, are a nobody, and you know it. I'm sure that not too many people care what you think. (2) However, things COULD change. When something is widely publicized, it is more accessible, and therefore more "interesting" than those items that are only whispered about on an online forum. So, if in fact you decide to write and publish a book (this may be a problem for you as it might entail having to leave your house and therefore, your computer) about Moore's cake frosting pedophilia, I'm quite certain that you WOULD be hearing from his lawyers. There are laws against publishing false information and passing it off as truth. If Moore's claims could be proven wrong, why haven't they, and if they're obvious fabrications, why has no legal action been taken?
NO MATTER HOW BAD THINGS ARE, CONSERVATIVES WILL NEVER ADMIT THE by bushsux	Jun 15th, 2004 04:57:21 AM
That's really what the essence of being a conservative is, using the old, tired method, no matter how unsuccesful it may be. These angry, rich white guys can talk all they want about how Michael Moore is fat, sends his kids to private school, how Kerry is a traitor to this country and how school prayer will somehow raise SAT scores and reduce violence. They will avoid discussing the facts or what really matters. How about the fact that the body count in Iraq is growing each day? How about the fact that the economy is in its worst shape since, well, the first President Bush? How about the fact that the FBI can look in my e-mail or search my home without even having probable cause? The comments about liberals being treasonous and unpatriotic is flat out bs. Remember, the two greatest presidents this country ever had were FDR and Harry S Truman. Both men were big government, knee jerk liberals who were even accused of being socialists as well as traitors by the Republican Party. When will the conservatives grow up and admit they're wrong?
All right....last post for me by allhailthomyorke	Jun 15th, 2004 05:39:38 AM
First of all, I am not a Liberal-I crtainly am more liberal than conservative, but I don't choose to have a party affiliation. I don't have one set of never-changing values because I realize that life too complex to fit into a nice little set of rules. Secondly, how is dissent treason when it is our right under the Constitution? You think liberals dissent because they hate America? If they hated America, why would they give a shit about what happens to this country? The fact is that they care A LOT-certainly more than those who choose to blindly follow a leader who is destroying the nation.
'TOOTSIE' REMAKE ON THE WAY? (http://www.drudgereport.com/too tsi by Over_The_Top	Jun 15th, 2004 05:48:50 PM
Wow! Looks impressive! - - - (http://www.drudgereport.com/t ootsie.JPG)
If you want to help the F911/Bush-out-of-office cause... by belle_orage	Jun 15th, 2004 08:32:59 PM
Please get a group of as many people as you can who want to see the movie. See it over and over again to keep it going strong. Also, we need to make sure it is played at as many theaters as possible, so call and email theaters to get them to play it and thank the ones who are. Go to www.moorepassion.org for more ways to help. Also, many college students are being denied the right to vote because people in college towns won't let them register because they believe a dorm is not a permanent residence, even though it has been declared so in court. These students often can't fly home just to vote and some won't be able to get absentee ballots. Preventing the students from registering is illegal! Enough students may be denied to the right to vote that it tips the vote in Bush's favor. Please get out the word, many registration offices simply don't know what they're doing is wrong! Help college students register and get the Shrub out of office! Thanks, Belle
The Bottom Line by ftoad	Jun 15th, 2004 09:34:24 PM
C'mon now!! The bottom line is simple, folks; We all know that Moore's Bowling For Columbine was pretty much all lies. So, why would anyone believe this F911 crap? Moore drops propoganda the same way he drops large dumps in his oversized toilet! In Bowling, he made it seem like Charlton Heston was a cold, uncaring prick by having his soundbite and speech("from my cold dead hands") shown like it happened right after the Columbine murders. It happened on a prescheduled anual date almost a year later!! Moore tried to tie the KKK to the NRA, when, they were formed 6 years apart from each other. We all know Moore should have his Oscar taken away (if he didnt already eat it) because the award was for best Documentary, and, Bowling was full of lies. Hardly a "docu". There's about 20 other lies in that flick, just do a search.
More Stubborn Conservative Whining About Kerry's "Treason" by bushsux	Jun 16th, 2004 05:29:42 AM
My father was a Vietnam veteran.I am a veteran of the current war the United States is involved in and can tell you the vast majority of Vietnam Vets I know voted Gore in the last election - and that was before this current war and the economy started to struggle. See you at Kerry's Inauguration Day parade next January.

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