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When Mr. Beaks Met MARGARET!!

Who wants to see this anyway!! by TheBoyFromUlster	Jun 3rd, 2004 05:14:25 AM
There's a reason that this film is not being made, it sounds shite!!
Sorry, what has this got to do with 9/11 by DannyOcean01	Jun 3rd, 2004 07:53:52 AM
Are we saying people are only fucked up since 9/11? I don't understand. This could have been made at any time. I'm not saying the script doesn't sound good because it does. It just seems weird we're attaching so much importance to what sounds like a quiet story about trauma.
How it relates to 9/11 by BirdMnJr	Jun 3rd, 2004 08:11:27 AM
It is about the feeling of unity and righteousness & the need for justice in the wake of tragedy. At least thats how i interpreted it.
lonergan by jza	Jun 3rd, 2004 09:14:35 AM
brilliant, brilliant writer maybe the greatest contemporary american playwright and as for the last two scenes in 'you can count on me', they get me everytime pity this talkback is so sparse, are people really that apathetic about kenny? anyway, my worthless two cents: they should make this film. and aicn (hell, the web) should have more articles like this one.
You can count on me by deathsjestbook	Jun 3rd, 2004 11:59:54 AM
...was an excellent film. This also will be an excellent film, most likely, but only about 9/11 in the same sense the 25th Hour was, it takes places in a New York whose mood has changed dramatically since that day. Which is better than the idiotic references to 9/11 in Love Actually and that bloody CIA film with Colin Farrell.
Larry Clark should direct this ... by godoffireinhell	Jun 3rd, 2004 01:28:48 PM
He likes him some underage sex.
Way to go Beaks by mortsleam	Jun 3rd, 2004 01:34:58 PM
You too Lonergan. Here's hoping this gets made, and that Jena Malone is sufficiently ripened in time to play the lead. She loves playing them screwed up girls.
don't worry, beak by critiqueofreason	Jun 3rd, 2004 01:43:41 PM
it's a brilliant and important script, and i can personally attest that it IS getting made. the three most resepected producers in LA are helming and are just trying to close a small gap in the financing.
STUPIDEST LINE: Americans have never been terribly skilled when by jjmnolte	Jun 3rd, 2004 01:53:31 PM
Yeah, this is a reeeeeel intolerant country. Oh, the race riots, the attacks on muslims after 9/11, the lynching's... Please. France is passing laws against Muslim head scarves and we're intolerant? No, we're not perfect but what an inspid sentence. We get along unbelieveably well and live together in relative peace. Second dumbest sentence: "And it
Didn't Sidney Lumet die in a car accident last year? by Lance Rock	Jun 3rd, 2004 02:10:46 PM

In America? by Stanley Spector	Jun 3rd, 2004 02:41:35 PM
Perhaps I missed something in the movie.... Could somebody please explain to me how it "directly" addressed 9/11?
by lee j. cobb	Jun 3rd, 2004 04:19:39 PM
Alan J. Pakula died in a car crash. Sidney Lumet is old but very much alive.
derek smalls by hank quinlan	Jun 3rd, 2004 05:56:32 PM
That was Pakula who died when some sort of metal object crashed through his car. Lumet is still kicking. Just barely I think. He's no spring chicken. I think he has a new movie. I like Beaks's summation of the final Gangs shot. Very cool. And finally sombody sticks up for the 25th Hour. Lee's best (and most restrained) film. No one will go back to a lot of films but 25th Hour will only grow with time. It has balls, brains, and heart. And it looked the monster of 9/11 in the eye in a way nobody else except Springsteens The Rising did without making a huge point of it.
is Mark Ruffalo attached to this project? by TheBride	Jun 3rd, 2004 07:22:47 PM
I sincerely hope he is. Does anyone know?
Good article. by Octaveaeon	Jun 3rd, 2004 11:59:37 PM
And in large part i agree. Except for one minor thing. How is this going to get people to reconcile in america? More specifically: reconcile about what? The fact that your president went to war (two, in fact) and killed shitloads of people just to secure personal and US geostrategic interests in the Middle East and Central Asia? WTF? What do you say to that? Oh, ok, that wasn't such a good idea, but let's hug and kiss and forget about it? Sure, people are talking past each other and shouting stupid recriminations, each fully entrenched in their camps stealthily ducking the vitriolic salvos while preparing the next batch of damning depth charges. But I've always thought the problem with you people is that you see things in dualistic terms: left-wing/right-wing, liberal/conservative, democrats/republicans, commies/nazis, michael moore/rush limbaugh, good/evil, with us/against us, black/white, and so forth. Obviously, when things turn too extreme, you think the only way forward from the impasse is to appease both sides and take a bipartisan middle road. But that just means a return to the status quo, and doesn't eradicate the fundamental problems. But I don't get it. The U.S. is one of the most empirically doctrined states in the world. Scientifically and technologically, it ranks among the leaders, and leads in many areas. From early on children are taught the important role of factual validation in matters of discovery, and dispute (as in judicial and legalistic). And obviously, concepts of justification, logic, and probability, are used as tools aiding judgements on matters less supported by evidence. On these lines, the larger the pool of sources providing validation, as in past records and similar examples, the stronger the validity of the data. Physics and Astronomy are prime examples. But similar processes can be found in Economics, History, Arqueology, Philosophy, and even in less academic institutions, such as Multi-Nationals, the Armed Forces, and the Government. In fact, this notion, the scientific paradigm, is all pervasive, and has been normally used in matters of empirical dispute. Except life isn't empirical. People aren't robots. Otherwise, we never would have come up with the concept in the first place. Yet, somehow, in matter of belief, reason is thrown out the window. Along with the fact sheets. And in the heat of the moment, when the room is divided in two camps, everyone rushes at the papers on the floor and shuffle back to their corners in order to organize what they've got. Which isn't much. So new structures are created and old myths recycled, and the enemies face is clear for all to see. And so things will remain, until someone bothers to go outside and collect the knowledge that is out there for all to see if they'd just get off their lazy asses and comfortably entrenched positions. It doesn't matter if it's one of the parties on the other side of the 'divide' or someone else. As long as eventually everybody does it, and stops playing stupid games, specially when other people's lives and countries are at stake. The sooner you stop the sooner these people can go back to their lives far away from your collective madness. The only "shackles" your victims are trying to throw off are the "shackles of barbaric extremism" you like to throw around everytime one of your presidents thinks he needs a war in order to spike up his ratings. And stock options. Or should I say 'put' options? (Otherwise a good article Beaks!)
Sounds good to me by Ribbons	Jun 4th, 2004 01:14:45 AM
I'd see it based on that premise alone. Thanks for the write-up Beaks (although I'd have to disagree with you on Nemo; it was probably in the works long before 9-11 and its nihilism was no more than a coincidence, especially considering that Pixar can make whatever movies they want).

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