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FIRST!! by DietCodeRed	May 21st, 2004 05:48:29 PM
FIRST!!!
by GreyMattre	May 21st, 2004 05:53:27 PM
Hope this beefing up of the writing staff helps de-suds this show....it works when they're "advancing the mythology", when they're not, it's just another teen-angst model-fest.
Sunnydale to Smallville by GreyMattre	May 21st, 2004 05:54:25 PM
Hope this beefing up of the writing staff helps de-suds this show....it works when they're "advancing the mythology", when they're not, it's just another teen-angst model-fest.
The Italy-themed Ep was hilarious... by amrcanpoet	May 21st, 2004 06:09:15 PM
But Smallville still sucks balls.
Well by zer0cool2k2	May 21st, 2004 06:36:11 PM
Smallville and alias should both be better for Angel's demise. Of course, if these shows become too smartly written, they will of course be cancelled.
A matter of perspective by neemz	May 21st, 2004 06:45:07 PM
Joss Whedon, who wrote more
Smallville's Producers Suck by Eshu	May 21st, 2004 06:46:18 PM
Come on... it doesn't matter if joss Whedon himself is on the Smallville writing staff, that show's nutless producers would find a way to ruin it.
Edlund is being hotly pursued by probably the most promising se by Gheorghe Zamfir	May 21st, 2004 07:21:31 PM
And that series is?
What's with FIREFLY? by Mircalla	May 21st, 2004 07:40:30 PM
As a long standing fan of Buffy and Angel, but with NO access to television, am wondering whether Firefly is GOOD enough for a movie? Didn't it get cancelled? Sorry, picked up on Buffy season 5 and needed DVD's and (eek) downloads to catch up. Why is JW going towards a Firefly movie and not finally adapting BTVS to the big screen the RIGHT way?
Also...re: ALIAS... by Mircalla	May 21st, 2004 07:42:46 PM
I recently read that Sydney has a sister that is the KEY to the Rimbaldi something or other. Seems like a blatant Buffy rip. Haven't watched Alias since 2nd season, guess I missed a LOT. How come Dawn is now Sydney's sister???
My guess is "the most promising series of the coming season" Ben by Kungfumanchu	May 21st, 2004 08:51:33 PM
If not that soon-to-be comedy classic,then Lost or Global Frequency. Right,Herc?
Oh,& Ubergeek37, just want to let you know I'm prepared to stand by Kungfumanchu	May 21st, 2004 09:00:50 PM
you know,just in case you miss with the knife.
Kinda disappointing... by Wind_The_Frog	May 22nd, 2004 12:29:50 AM
I was hoping Drew Goddard and Steven DeKnight would end up on the same show, since the episodes they wrote together (and separately, for that matter) this year on Angel were wonderful. With the addition of Goddard and Jeffrey Bell, I predict Alias will have it's best season yet. I'm not sure if even DeKnight can help Smallville (the whole mythology with the caves is just so lame). He could make Lex into an even bigger bad-ass though.
never understand the smallville bashers by cornstalkwalker	May 22nd, 2004 02:19:57 AM
smallville is one of my favorite shows. how can you not like superman.
I think I like the idea of Smallville more than the actual show by FelatioHornblowr	May 22nd, 2004 03:21:02 AM
But it has got to be one of the most inconsistent shows in terms of quality that I've seen in a while. I don't watch it every week, but I try to check it out when I can. It seems that about a quarter (maybe a third) of the episodes I've seen have been really good but the rest have ranged from bad to awful. If the new writers don't improve the show then they should just cancel it after next season and put it out of its misery. Same goes for Alias. It's had some really good moments this season, but it still seems to be on the downward slide which began right after the takedown of SD-6. Maybe since Alias won't show up until 2005 they'll have extra time to work up a really good story for season 4. If not, just end it.
In response to Mircalla... by FelatioHornblowr	May 22nd, 2004 03:33:11 AM
...Firefly is definitely good enough for a movie. I think it's Whedon's best work, due in large part to an absolutely amazing cast. Not a dull or irritating member in the bunch. If you don't believe me head over to Amazon and check out a gajillion positive reviews for the show by excited fans. If you haven't seen the show yet, I highly recommend checking it out now that DVD set is out. Yes, as you point out, it was canceled. But I think that's exactly why Whedon is making a Firefly movie rather than a Buffyverse movie. He only got to make roughly a half a season of Firefly and didn't get to fully explore these wonderful characters that he created. I can't wait for Serenity!
thx Hornblowr by Mircalla	May 22nd, 2004 04:12:53 AM
FRAY would also make a great movie or TV show imo.
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Firefly Cancelled => DVD Sales by Recognizer	May 22nd, 2004 10:50:43 AM
Firefly was cancelled 'cause it was treated like any other intelligently-written show at Fox: aired inconsistently, pre-empted pathologically, promoted halfheartedly. The DVD sales were massive. Thus Fox decided to go ahead with a movie. The show's awesome and if you haven't checked it out, I'd highly recommend it. If you have checked it out, p'raps you'll join me in recommending it.
Smallville theory by Barry Egan	May 22nd, 2004 11:51:21 AM
I have a Buffy-related theory about some of the problems Smallville has. Since it was so thoroughly and justifiably compared to Buffy (superhero incognito in high school, I think all involved wanted to avoid any more comparisson. If you think about it, the first 3 Buffy seasons are the perfect template for the way Smallville should be done. Buffy had one major villian she fought for the whole season rather than a different villian every week (the girls who controlled the swarm of bees from Season 1 being the worst). Where Smallville continues to miss the boat is in not introducing one major villian that will support the whole year. Why can't Lionel (or somebody else for that matter) have one evil master plan that Clark's Scooby gang has to unravel over 22 episodes? Give them a Giles-like adult that helps out (Lex perhaps? That would be cool with everybody knowing where he is ultimately headed.). And end this whole cliche, tiured will they or won't they Clark and Lana thing. Joss came up with a great way to keep Buffy and Angel together while at the same time keeping them apart. Smallville has had some great individual eps, it has potential to have great entire seasons.
So many Buffiverse writers working on so many GOD AWFUL shows by Craiggers	May 22nd, 2004 11:51:35 AM
It doesn't really instill much confidence anymore to see there names under the writing credits when it is in shows like "Tarzan" blarg!, Jake 2.0, and Smallville (though Smallville can be okay sometimes; like the finale kicked ass). Sometimes it makes me wonder how these people were able to churn out some of the best episodes of either Buffy or Angel (I'm guessing Joss is the reason). Still, I'm excited to see where Ben Edlund goes. And Tim Minear's Wonderfalls was a great show with a lot of potential. Here's hoping it gets renewed somewhere, sometime. Speaking of shows that need to be put back on the air, or at least released onto DVD, what about that show "Good versus Evil" or "GvsE"? That was one of the best shows on television at one point; it desperately needs to be released on DVD! Anybody with me on this?
The problems with Smallville by Craiggers	May 22nd, 2004 12:11:01 PM
First of all, the whole "kryptonite monster of the week" premise is old and worn out. Every week, some kid gets super powers from kryptonite, fights Clark, and everything start anew. Clark is going to have a real problem later in life as superman when this legion of kryptonite kids realize that Superman has the same powers as the Smallville kid that put them away; plus, he looks amazingly just like him! Which brings me to Lex; Lex has seen Clark so many times without glasses, and Lex knows that something is up with Clark - he knows that he is special is some kind of way. So in the future, when he begins battling with Superman, what is to stop him from making the logical connection? Another problem with the show besides the logic holes is the pacing; the show does a horrible job of developing the characters. They all seem to be stuck in a loop. The same shit happens so much. Example: Lex and Lionel feud so much over the last few seasons to the point that it loses any poignancy when Lex finally makes his move and has Lionel arrested by the FBI. The show seems to be afraid of change. Sure, this season's finale has Lionel in prison (apparently about to go to the electric chair), Chloe and her father blown up, Clark in La-La land someplace, Lex poisened, and Lana in Paris. But next season none of this will matter. Lionel will find a way out of prison and continue the same old shit, Lex will of course survive, Clark will come back from wherever the hell he is with no new knowledge of his destiny, Chloe will somehow impossibly survive the explosion, and nobody will be the wiser. My point is that nomatter what happens each season, nothing really drastically changes; nothing new happens. I mean, compare the pacing of Angel: season 1 Angel's office is blown up, Doyle is killed, and Cordy ends up being vision girl. Season 2 Darla returns as a human, turns back into a vampire, and gets impregnated by Angel. See, STUFF happens that actually AFFECTS the next season and the seasons after that. I could be wrong, but that's just how I feel. Smallville isn't awful - it just needs more direction and sharper writing.
Have to agree with Craiggers by Barry Egan	May 22nd, 2004 12:28:47 PM
I totally agree. Smallville could be aswesome. Let's hope some of the Joss influence starts to rub off on Smallville staff.
Lex and Clark by Nicky Butane	May 22nd, 2004 02:48:08 PM
Lex doesn't make the Clark Superman connection because he's seen Clark battered and bleeding (without his powers). The finale was on the best episodes yet. I have to admit I'm gonna miss the "Naked Spike" show but the WB is serving up a hefty portion of "Naked Clark" so that will have to do. MMMMmmm "Spike"!
Goodbye Angel by lycanthrope	May 24th, 2004 03:20:29 AM
A show that started out promising, turned boring, then outlandishly bad (Pylea, anyone), then introduced whining as a character trait (Connor, anyone) and finally descended into tepid boredom - outside of Spike, the death of Wesley and Harmony's occasional comedic relief - oh wait, weren't they all previously on BTVS? - the whole show will not be missed by those who liked Angel better in seasons 1, 2 & 3 of BTVS... And those who think Smallville is still just krypto-villain ain't been watching - I'd put Jeph Loeb up against Joss Whedon any day - Loeb would come up for explanations on the whole Lex thing... Perhaps, in this incarnation, Lex DOES know who Superman is but holds onto the secret, manipulating Supes with that knowledge - even more interesting is a world where Lex likes Clark but hates Supes... Anyway, I loved Buffy (except the Initiative and Riley) and tolerated Angel - put a stake in him, he's DONE.
Angel was a donkey's ass crack by super Cucaracha	May 26th, 2004 06:47:48 PM
How can anybody like the spawn of Buffy? Smallville Rules! The last episodes had a lot of heart and it sucks to be you if you missed it. I actually hope the movie has as much soul as the show. Splash on you face beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeatch!

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