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Michael Moore's FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Gets 15 to 25 Minutes Of Standing Screaming Ovation at CANNES!

However long the ovation was, it probably wasn't as long as I ha by fbsthreads	May 17th, 2004 07:37:14 PM

Stanley Kubrick said... by VaderSabre	May 17th, 2004 07:42:28 PM
Kubrick dealt with WAR unlike many other artists in film. Here's what he said, and hopefully it something that will resonate when Moore's film finally does find distribution. " People can misinterpret almost anything so that it coincides with views they already hold. They take from art what they already believe, and I wonder how many people have ever had their views about anything important changed by a work of art". ...'Nuff said.
Micheal Moore Or Less by Blaxstone	May 17th, 2004 07:44:27 PM
I saw "Bowling For Columbine" Last year and was inpressed with the film, but I was taken aback at the way Moore delt with the Oscars. It's something you just don't do. Recent reports say Disney was not going to release "Farenhight 9/11" this year anyway, but Moore, to build publicity, went to the press about it anyway, badmouthing the company even more than Roy Disney has. Moore's grandstanding and showoffness aside, I do plan on seeing this film when it is released and hope that Micheal doesn't plan on pulling any stupid stunts if he is nominated for an Oscar again.
I wouldn't give a 25 minute standing ovation if Lindsay Lohan ga by FluffyUnbound	May 17th, 2004 08:05:00 PM
I can't believe that anyone cheered that long for anything. Get some detachment, Frenchies. Or a hobby. You just wasted 24 minutes of your lives.
I'll watch it... by DarkStarEX	May 17th, 2004 08:16:17 PM
But Moore's not getting any of my money. I will fight the evil corporate empire of Michael Moore and download this film. I'm sure he'll be proud. And Harry, how about some buzz about 'Michael Moore Hates America'? If you wanna talk movies, let's talk about all of them. http://www.michaelmoorehatesam erica.com/
I doubt this is true because... by spectrebeeyatch	May 17th, 2004 08:19:59 PM
The number of people who like Michael Moore that much can't even fill a theatre. Michael Moore is just a fat man who is mad for no reason, I wouldn't see this documentary or film or whatever it is.
Meanwhile, it took 15 to 25 minutes to get past the AICN main pa by SmarkJobber	May 17th, 2004 08:20:35 PM
Also, you Righties bob on knobs. Say goodbye to your pal Dubbya.
Michael Moore ass kissing... by hal05154	May 17th, 2004 08:31:34 PM
Enough Michael Moore ass kissing. For a look at this nutcase from the other side, check out these sites... MooreWatch.com, BowlingForTruth.com and MooreLies.com. God, it's so disappointing see Harry come all over himself for this idiot. No wonder I visit this site less and less these days...
documentaries = perfect medium for liberals. by Silver Shamrock	May 17th, 2004 08:41:18 PM
because they can spout off their views unchallenged. Anytime they stray into a medium that requires actual debating skills they lose. How's my Air America stock doing? And if Michael Moore has never claimed this to be a documentary then he has a moral obligation to reject any "best documentary" nominations. Think that will happen?
Finally made it to the talkback page..... by ManosTHOF	May 17th, 2004 08:45:25 PM
Can't wait to see the film so I can decide for myself. For all the naysayers, the Bush-Bin Laden connection is something that has been talked about for years, just not many are as aware of it as they should be. In Canada the CBC has been running newsmagazine stories amounting to pretty much the same thing, pointing out a lot of the same things Moore does. "Moore is Bush bashing" is not much of a rebuttal, at least he is willing to question authority which I thought was what makes America great...... at least it gets people talking.
Sit-Coms with laugh tracks- perfect medium for Republicans by TedSallis	May 17th, 2004 08:55:03 PM
"Gee, a big portion of the world has these same sentiments.....nawwwww..they all must be in on the 'liberal media conspiracy'. Our media bubble in the states tell us like it REALLY is..everyone ELSE is wrong"
Bush Financial Folly by flossygomez	May 17th, 2004 09:07:21 PM
I'm not a big fan of demagogue Michael Moore, I look at him and Rush Limbaugh as entertainers and nothing more, but...Sun-Tzu in the art of war: (Paraphrasing) Don't commit yourself to war unless you are fairly certain what the outcome will be. In other words, be prepared. I was there at the start telling my fellow employees that we would be there 5 years at the least, they all said, "Oh no, just a couple months!" They're all morons, as is the Bush administration. All you clueless dorks can say when more billions are called for from your pockets to fund this extremely useless war is, "How much! Yes! Save us Lord Bush from the nasty monsters!". Nevermind the naive morality, it's a financial folly and is economically indefensible. There are no armys to fight, only invisible cells in all areas of the globe! Intelligence will win the war on terrorism, not draconian military campaigns. Living in the past will make us last.
Anybody with any respect for humanity, freedom of speech, enviro by JIC	May 17th, 2004 09:10:48 PM
I have yet to meet an artist or intelectual (redneck Toby Keith doesn't count) willing to support a White House so morally corrupt. I happily cheer for Michael Moore and I which everyone who doesn't believe George W. Bush is a decent leader were as vocal as him. Bravo Michael, Bravo. Do you honestly believe the entire world is wrong about Dubya? American psycho indeed.
A Faked Election by rutan07	May 17th, 2004 09:25:29 PM
I love that the two people posted here said over and over that Bush stole the election for President. Considering Bush allowed for pro-democratic counts of Florida's ballots (he allowed for absenty Military votes to be thrown out) and still won the state, considering the Supreme Court was going to side with him until Gore stepped aside and conceded the loss (and does anyone really believe the Supreme Court is anything but liberal), considering every recount imaginable, even independant ones done by rich democrats, has come back with Bush winning I can see how old crazy Bush stole the election. The freak did it legally! Fairly! How dare he!
So? by ELGordo	May 17th, 2004 09:45:31 PM
What's the difference between Michael Moore Hates America and Farenheit 9/11? It tells the right wingers exactly what THEY want to hear. Just watch the fucking film before you judge it, if not shut the fuck up because you have no say in the matter.
Gee, a standing O for a bit if anti-bush pulp in France. Maybe by Formula409	May 17th, 2004 09:45:39 PM
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcomings, who knows the devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at his best knows in the end the high achievement of triumph and who at worst, if he fails while daring greatly, knows his place shall never be with those timid and and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat" -Theodore Roosevelt
So? by ELGordo	May 17th, 2004 09:48:41 PM
What's the difference between Michael Moore Hates America and Farenheit 9/11? It tells the right wingers exactly what THEY want to hear. Just watch the fucking film before you judge it, if not shut the fuck up because you have no say in the matter.
Harry, It aint cool by consordia	May 17th, 2004 09:59:35 PM
If you want a political site, open one but leave this kinda bs off of here. Cuz Moore ain't cool, he ain't funny and he really ain't truthful. He has made up stuff since Roger and Me and there is no need for you to include it.
Harry, It aint cool by consordia	May 17th, 2004 10:00:55 PM
If you want a political site, open one but leave this kinda bs off of here. Cuz Moore ain't cool, he ain't funny and he really ain't truthful. He has made up stuff since Roger and Me and there is no need for you to include it.
Silver Shamrock, it's right-wingers who are afraid of being chal by Bill Maher	May 17th, 2004 10:03:35 PM
Limbaugh -the pill-popping, lying, white supremacist blowhard has calls carefully screened to guarantee that he faces no serious opposition. Sean Insanity, who was just busted for colossal lie (He claimed that Democrats were referring to the POW torture scandal as "Torturegate". As it turned out, NO Democrats had used that term. In fact, after Google and other searches, it was found out that only two people had used that term: a skinhead website and Hannity himself! Kind of funny how Hannity and neo-Nazis use the same term.). Not only is he a pathological liar, he is a complete coward, too. His "opponent" on his TV show is a patsy like the ham-and-eggers from pro wrestling (the nobodies hired to climb in the ring and get thrown around by "name" wrestlers). When a guest on the show gets the better of him, Sean Insanity turns off their microphone. What a pussy! Liberals, on the other hand, aren't afraid to mix it up -just another reason we're better than you, Shamrock. Al Franken has a regular dittohead on his show every day -and this guy is no pushover. He has had Gordon Liddy and other right-wingers on, too. He absolutely kicked Bill O'LIEly's ass last summer and just got through bitchslapping that Nazi skank Ann "Thrax" Coulter. Right-wingers are pussies and cowards. This is no surprise since their leaders are draft-dodgers and a deserter.
Preaching to the Choir by SPY-der	May 17th, 2004 10:13:46 PM
I don't think Mikey could have picked a better spot to screen this picture. Hollywood is NOTORIOUSLY mad-dog liberal to begin with, the French are worse, and Cannes is the ideal combination of the two ("free-thinkers" from the Industry combined with an international audience who already thinks we're too full of ourselves). Odds are 85% of the people in the Palais hated Bush walking into the screening, and FARHENHIET 9/11 just made them feel even more self-righteous. Anybody who thought that Moore's so-called "documentary" style was off-base or wrong would have been afraid for their own safety if they boo'd. Or at least you wouldn't have heard them amongst the sea of applause. Don't underestimate the extended periods of applause, either. The Festival audience will applaud for many minutes if they see something they like. There's a sort of screening "buzz" -- a euphoric response -- when you watch things there. Trust me, I've seen it firsthand. -- SPYder, out. (Cannes 2002 veteran)
How long was it really? by AndrewWanKenobi	May 17th, 2004 10:44:15 PM
I heard that my contact at Cannes that it was a 30 minute standing ovation... but that Michael Moore is so fucking fat that he had to sit down and rest after the first 3 to 5 minutes.
If you think the Florida recount was bad, this coming November w by CKnightShift	May 17th, 2004 10:45:59 PM
The president of the Diebold corporation has all but confirmed that he is staunchly pro-Bush and Republican-led efforts all over the country are trying to stifle efforts to stop Diebold. Who is Diebold you ask? The company providing most of the electronic voting booths in this country: the ones that have NO PAPER RECORDS AT ALL about which votes are for whom. The most massive voting fraud of all time is set to begin in America, with nothing given us to audit it with at all. He who controls the machines really will control this country. Anyone wanna go Butlerian Jihad on some Diebold machines?
kick ass by JackDonkey	May 17th, 2004 11:03:52 PM
This is great all the press this is getting, go Michael Moore. Like the democrats say, this is good because at the very least it gets people to consider the points Moore makes in the film. Also I would give a 2 hour standing ovation if Lindsay Lohan gave me head, and make it 3 hours if it's Lacey Chabert.
what else did you expect? by del1357	May 17th, 2004 11:04:43 PM
it was screened in France, for God's sake! what else would happen? of course everyone there would applaud anything that was even remotely anti-Bush! i can't wait for Moore's latest piece of pseudo-reality to be revealed as a manipulative, conceited and deceiving work of half-truths.
Harry, could you get some reviews written in English, please by The Real McCoy	May 17th, 2004 11:42:08 PM
Reading those reviews was like grading essays written by fourth graders.**It's interesting that Moore used an Orwell quote at the end of the film. Well, I've got an Orwell quote of my own: ``Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one (He was speaking of WWII). In practice, `he that is not with me is against me.''' *According to Orwell's logic, anyone against the war on terrorists is pro-terrorist.
A Challenge to those who hate Michael Moore: PROVE HIM WRONG !!! by Dataset	May 18th, 2004 12:03:08 AM
List every point he makes, and list why it is a lie, or how he distorted the truth. C'mon...I dare you...
The first review is obviously a Babelfish translation... by greenleaf	May 18th, 2004 12:11:33 AM
...from French. Perhaps even lifted from a French newspaper. "Mumble-jumble" indeed.
THE WAY THINGS WERE, ARE AND WILL BE!!!!! by ChickenGeorgeVII	May 18th, 2004 12:42:24 AM
If there is one thing I cannot stand it is that which is wrong, as opposed to that which is right...FOR I AM SHOCKED!!!! SHOCKED!!! AND AWED!!!! SHOCKED AND AWED!!!! AWED AND SHOCKED AT THE STATE OF THINGS AS THEY ARE, AS THEY WERE AND AS THEY WILL BE...IF I WANTED TO WAKE UP IN A WORLD WHERE THINGS LIKE THINGS THAT HAPPEN WERE TO KEEP HAPPENING I WILL BECOME SO ANGRY THAT I WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO STAND UP AND FIGHT!!! FIGHT FOR MY RIGHTS FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IN AND LET ME TELL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS THAT I WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH AND I WILL KILL ALL THE MOTHERFUCKERS THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF ME HAVING MINE AND ALL OF US ENJOYING OURS BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING IN AN AGE WHERE THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT AND IT IS THOSE THAT WANT OR DO NOT WANT THAT ARE GETTING IN THE WAY OF US OR THEM AND CAUSING US OR THEM TO GET PISSED OFF AND BRING THINGS TO WHERE THEY ARE AND MAKING ME AND US AND THEM VERY VERY ANGRY AND THE NEXT THING WE ALL KNOW - BAM! - AND WE AND US AND THEM ARE ALL FIGHTING FOR THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE IN EXCEPT FOR THOSE OF US THAT BELIEVE IN SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THEN THOSE OF THEM THAT ARE ONLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING FOR THEMSELVES AND I SAY LET US KILL ALL THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS THAT ARE NOT US, NOT THEM, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE AGAINST US OR THEM AND THEN WE WILL ALL LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE BOTH US AND THEM WILL LIVE IN PEACE AND THEN WE WILL ALL BE ABLE TO DANCE LIKE TRULY FREE AND/OR OPPRESSED PEOPLES THAT ENJOY WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE TODAY AND IN THE PAST AND IN THE FUTURE!!!!! SO DO NOT FUCK WITH ME ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS BECAUSE YOU KNOW DEEP DOWN THAT I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG AND THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS GONNA BE!!!!!!....And thus, what
HAHA your in FRANCE...what do you expect! by Jon E Cin	May 18th, 2004 01:02:20 AM
They hate us!
anathema1973 by SPY-der	May 18th, 2004 01:02:57 AM
I haven't seen the new picture, but I found quite a bit about Moore's last one, BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE. Perhaps you're familiar with the campaign to revoke Moore's Oscar? Main reason: it wasn't really a documentary. Moore clipped and snipped and concocted a version of the truth that fit his agenda [http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth _About_Bowling.html] Not to mention that his film technically didn't even qualify for entry because it fell short on certain publicity requirements. If you want a list of websites, try these out: www.bowlingfortruth.com, www.revoketheoscar.com, www.moorelies.com, www.moorewatch.com, and www.mooreexposed.com. Apparently, there's a cottage industry of people out there debunking the debunker. There's even a movie being made about him called "Michael Moore Hates America." Their site: http://www.michaelmoorehatesam erica.com/. Out there spinning the web, so you don't have to... -- SPYder, out.
I'm a liberal, but I have to say, if this truly is just propagan by 007-11	May 18th, 2004 01:10:03 AM
If Michael Moore hasn't learned anything about being concrete and infallible in what he portrays in his films then it is all for naught. We don't need sensationalism. We need cold, hard truth. There is enough misinformation floating around out there. If Moore really wants to help this country then he needs to make his movies unquestionable. What we have right now sounds like preaching to the choir, and that doesn't do a bit of good. How are you going to show people that Bush is an outright liar and deceiver when you haven't been all that upfront with your audience to begin with? I really hope he hasn't just screwed up an excellent oppurtunity.
Parallels to Hitler raving about jews in the olympic stadium by Darth_Inedible	May 18th, 2004 01:13:25 AM

That's like saying "I'D GIVE SHREK 2 to 3.5 STARS" by AndrewWanKenobi	May 18th, 2004 01:15:46 AM
The Hollywood Reporter says that the ovation was 15 minutes long. The New York Times says 20 minutes. The Washington Dispatch says 10 minutes. What The Fuck?!?!?!?!? As far as these "Reporters" go, you'd think that people would fucking know how long they had to stand and clap for that fat fuck. Get your facts right Asshats! ________________NOTE TO HARRY: Unless you are trying to piss people of you probably should've just put "...Gets A HUGE Standing Ovation."....but it's your site. I'm sure you are just trying to create controversy.
I love that this pisses off republicans so damn much... by tccandler.com	May 18th, 2004 01:16:09 AM
THIS IS AWESOME!!! GOOD ON YA MICHAEL MOORE!!! KEEP IT UP!!!
Michael Moore's always right about 9/11... by AzBat	May 18th, 2004 01:45:25 AM
... like when he said the whole thing never would have happened if there'd been more buck ni**ers on the planes, 'cause ya know how them black folks are good at fighting, right? Not like sissy white people, huh? I hope he addresses that factor in the movie. Personally, I agree with whoever said that the Left needs better than Moore's sensationalism; they need hard facts if they want to really make a point. I don't really care, though; voting is for hookers and fat people.
OH REALLY? "Michael Moore has never claimed this to be a docume by Big Dumb Ape	May 18th, 2004 01:46:49 AM
So does that mean that this year the fat fuck will REFUSE to have FAHRENHEIT even considered in the "documentary" Oscar category since he's ADMITTING upfront that it's anything but? That it IS a slanted piece of propoganda? Good -- let's see if for once this sack of shit piece of human garbage actually puts his money where his cavernous, all-engulfing mouth is. Though I doubt it, since Michael Moore's ONLY purpose in life is to advance Michael Moore. But here's hoping the crock of shit that is FAHRENHEIT doesn't get nominated to spare us the groan inducing bullshit of him collecting yet another unwarranted and falsely earned Oscar...
Ignore Moore and go to the source by GypsyTRobot	May 18th, 2004 01:58:24 AM
www.gregpalast.com and while you're at it check out www.dailyhowler.com
Pro-War by The Finn	May 18th, 2004 02:08:36 AM
Alright you pissant geeks, if you truly believe Moore is so incredibly wrong, I believe the recruiting office is open. You obviously don't have anything better to do, so put down the bong and the X-Box controller and go SERVE. (Yeah, I did my stint.) Not one of you f*7^heads has the balls, not one. So shut the hell up.
A few extra words for Nicole21... by TheGinger Twit	May 18th, 2004 02:11:54 AM
... You think we are sheep because we watch and listen to what moore has to say. Well, I can't really speak for everyone else - unlike you - but I've been following Bush from the start. From when he announced his intentions to be president. (Oh shit, the son of a blood thirsty former president is trying to get in) From his appearance on David Letterman telling everyone how if elected he'll be putting an end to terrorism. (Oh shit, he want to take us to war) From the election debarkle (hmmmmmm, Problems with the florida count? Bush's brother runs Florida.) [side not: it was obvious someone wanted Bush in, possible the same people who where obviously tryng to get Clinton out with a stained dress] Then with Bush in the world watches as Bush reverses Environmental treates. Starts pushing nations around. Says he's going to start drilling pristeen wilderness in alaska - home to some of the rarest species in the world. Then an American military plane flies over China and the chinese persue and order it to the ground. To you Americans China was the bad guy in the wrong. To the chinese, you dirty Americans have no busness in that airspace. Threats are made - tensions grow. America gets cold feet and it fizzles out. Iraq is systematically bombed ever week. How? Well, by American military buzzing them. The iraqis fire on them and presto justification to drop a couple carpet bombs. Then four American planes get hijact and freely fly around for an hour or two before two of them crash into New york buildings. The same buildings which were tried to be brought down 10 years earlier by Bush Senior. A failed attempt to frame arabs and launch a stike to steal their oil. And what a show that 'terrorist' attack was. Perfectly orchestrated to be seen live aound the world. Litterally, the greatest hollywood production ever. Within minutes Bin laden was held to blame. (Who, we all ask??) Bin laden then goes on record to say he had nothing to do with it. Bush tells us all not to listen to that filthy terrorist, he's just a cave dwelling towl head. YAH!! WAR!! A WAR on a piss weak desert country with no means of protecting itself. It got the taliban I hear you say. It also got a shit load of innocent people. Men, women and children just like you, me and everyone you know. And look, now we're going to war with Iraq. 'We have to' Bush says. Why? Well, because Saddam has Weapons of mass distruction and we can't let anything like september 11 happen again. But... If you go and wipe out a nation that has done nothing to you, the chances of another september 11 are almost innevitable. No no... it'll be a clean war where no one gets hurt except that bad guys. I wish you Americans could see the pictures I've seen of mangled children. I really wish you could. Fuck your 3000 innocents. One life means dick over another. So here comes Moore. A man who not only has followed everything, but has the connections and the ability to put it all together for us in movie format - the thing that made America what it is to the rest of the world. Yeah. I'm a sheep because I praise Moore. I'm a sheep because I'll be telling everyone to go see this. I'm a sheep because I know this film will be worth a 15 minute standing ovation. When your society crumbles and the war comes to your front door (And it will) Remeber that you (And every other Moore hater/bush lover here) Remember that you were all for the lies. You were all for the blood and slaughter of innocents. You were all for the coming dark age. Remeber that YOU were the true sheep!
Michael Moore is a big fat pig. Guy should take a shower, get a by jackburton2004	May 18th, 2004 02:20:00 AM

Triumph Of The Swill from WWIV's Lumpy Riefenstahl by Electric Tsunami	May 18th, 2004 02:35:40 AM
Lord Haw Haw's heir apparent. From Michael Moore's own website: **** http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo rds/index.php?messageDate=2004 -04-14 *** "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win." **** Treason's a bitch. The British hanged William Joyce (aka Lord Haw Haw, Nazi propaganda broadcaster/US citizen) after WWII.
>YAWN< Who gives a fuck? Other than his brain dead, uber liber by Commando Cody	May 18th, 2004 02:39:24 AM
Seriously. Is there any THINKING person around -- that means having a FUNCTIONAL BRAIN -- who doesn
"Gee, if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easie by TheGinger Twit	May 18th, 2004 02:40:42 AM
(Cut and pasted!) I imagine that on Inauguration day, 2001, it must have looked easy. By March of 2001, when the US Government started quietly informing other governments that Afghanistan was to be invaded in October, it must have seemed as if the long-laid plans to conquer the Mideast's oil were moving along smoothly, unseen by an American public distracted by stories of Gary Condit and Chandra Levy. Cheney's Energy Task Force was pouring over maps of Iraq's oil fields, and the long-awaited pipeline into the Caspian Sea was ready to start construction as soon as there was a new government in soon-to-be-conquered Afghanistan. Then came 9-11, right on time to anger the American people into supporting a war against, well, nobody really knew, but danged there was sure a lot of evidence left around to find that pointed to Arabs as the culprits. Evidence that pointed in another direction was classified by the US Government and the war was on, spurred on by letters written to look like they came from semi-literate Arabs, but containing Anthrax from a US Government lab. But the first rumblings were already starting that the public was doubting the rationale for the war. The case was far from made that Afghanistan had anything to do with 9-11, especially since the named hijackers came from other countries. And right on cue, a video tape of Osama confessing showed up to put the doubts to rest. Except that the tape turned out to be a fraud, and mistranslated at that. At this point, the prudent man would have paid careful attention to the antiwar protests thronging the streets of the world, and reasoned that public support for the war was already dwindling, because faith in the official story was already dwindling. But Bush must have been getting some bad info. Bush himself has admitted that he does not read newspapers, relying totally on his advisors to tell him what is happening in the world. And those advisors, some of them veterans of the first Bush Presidency, probably were seeing the world as they wanted it to be, rather than as it really was. History will probably record that the greatest single error the Bush war machine made was to underestimate the impact of the Internet. They didn't understand the Internet, or the Internet culture, its sociology, and most important, how access to the Internet transformed Americans from mere acceptors of broadcast information into active and critical participants in the information process. No doubt there was a tendency to dismiss Internet news sources as just hobbies run by computer geeks for other computer geeks. Certainly nothing to worry about. Blogs were not mainstream media, according to the mainstream media. Bush and the NeoCons didn't really know what to do about the Internet, so wishful thinking made it unimportant. That was their critical error, because while the polls kept showing more people were still getting their news from the TV set than from computers, the margin kept getting smaller. And, the polls didn't reflect the fact that people watching the TV sets were not as mentally involved with the information flow as Internet users were. While fewer in numbers, people who were getting their news from the Internet were more involved with that news... and they were talking to people they knew who did not have Internet feeds. Thus it was that after the fall of Afghanistan, blogs carried the news that the new puppet-President of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, and the US special envoy to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, had both been part of the special oil company working group which had gone before Congress in 1998 recommending a change in the government of Afghanistan in order to facilitate the construction of a pipeline. The US mainstream media never made the connection. The blogs did, and word began to get out. And as Americans began to learn that there were things happening in the world that the TV set was not telling them, they started to ignore the TV set and pay more attention to the Internet news sources. The government and mainstream media struck back against the blogs in predictable fashion, warning parents that the Internet was a haven for child molesters and suggesting that only unfit parents would ever consider the Internet a trustworthy news source. Paid public relations operatives were hired to dump obvious disinformation onto the net with which to tar it, but a strange thing happened. Unlike TV, where those who have contradictory facts are successfully isolated from all the other viewers, the Internet allowed readers who recognized the false information for what it was to immediately present the facts to the entire world. Unlike the tame and manicured lawn of TV, the Internet became a jungle where only facts survived for very long. The government had no more luck controlling the Internet than the old USSR had controlling the Samizdat; the network of FAX machines that allowed Soviet Citizens to learn the truth of what their government was doing. All of a sudden, the ages-old mechanism of "what government says, the people think" was broken. The mainstream TV networks had lost their monopoly on the flow of information. The public was able to decide for itself what was newsworthy. The high ground in the war for the minds of America had shifted to the Internet, and the US Government was losing that war. The Internet gave the country a collective memory outside government control. When Fox News ran a story blowing the lid off the largest spy ring ever found in the US, run by Israel, pressure from Israeli supporters forced Fox News to remove the story from their own web site. This did not have the desired effect of erasing the story, because the story was already on dozens of blogs on the net. Worse, the Fox News removal underscored the dangerous degree to which Israel was influencing the US mainstream media, forcing into the public awareness what had previously been hidden. Other stories, downplayed by the mainstream media, or in many cases outright ignored, came to world attention on the Internet Typical was the news that the very first people arrested on 9-11 were not Arab terrorists, but 5 Israelis, later revealed to be Mossad agents, covered as employees of a moving company whose owner abandoned his business and fled to Israel. Americans began to realize that Israel still had a massive spy ring across America, and more alarmingly, the US Government was unable to do anything about it. As was admitted in the Fox News story, evidence that linked the arrested Mossad agents to 9-11 was being classified by the United States Government. Banished from the mainstream media, this information lives on by way of the Internet. In the last several weeks, a strange phenomenon has started to happen. Mainstream news sources have become aware that they can no longer avoid reporting the unpleasant news stories, without their avoidance itself becoming news on the blogs. As a result, blogs now drive the mainstream news. The mainstream media have been maneuvered into having to make a choice between continuing to support the agenda of their owners/handlers, or saving what is left of their credibility by running the stories that the public will be aware of anyway through the Internet. While some media companies are still toeing the line, such as the Sinclair Group that ordered its ABC Affiliates not to run the Nightline Program listing the war dead, other mainstream media outlets, including Nightline and "60 minutes II" are running stories, such as the abuse of Iraqi POWs, which are clearly damaging to the administration's war efforts. Bush's attempts to claim that the use of torture on Iraqi POWs (a clear violation of the Geneva Convention) was an aberration and the work of a few naughty individuals has fallen apart. Newseek has uncovered a memo that shows the administration signed off on the plans for secret detention centers and "coercive" interrogations. The responsibility for the use of torture lies right in the White House, and the President who openly admits eschewing newspapers in favor of listening to his NeoCon advisers. The obvious sham of the Nick Berg beheading did not produce the hoped-for revival in Bush's fortunes. Even before the video had made the evening news, the obvious flaws in the frame-up were rocketing around the world on the Internet It is hardly a stretch to suggest that a government that uses torture executed Nick Berg as a distraction from that scandal. How small a step is it to suggest that 9-11 itself was staged to justify a war of conquest. Michael Moore's latest film, "Fahrenheit 9-11" received an unprecedented 20 minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. Bush's attempts to block the film's release in the United States with the cooperation of Disney's Michael Esiner only serves to underscore that Bush has indeed crafted the dictatorship he so openly joked about. In this case, it is an impotent tyranny, for in this age of the Internet there will be no way to keep this film and the information it contains from the American people. Bush and the NeoCons are in a corner. The time when they can count on the media to promote their particular point of view is fast running out. The time when the media could successfully sell a particular point of view is fast running out. Their fraud and deception will not last until the November elections. Their fraud and deception will not survive another month at the current rate of exposures.. Bush may be thinking about hitting the "panic button". What I refer to is, of course, a last ditch attempt to prop up his sagging poll numbers and revive support for the wars of conquest by staging yet another phony "terror" attack, framing it on the intended invadee. Planes crashing into buildings is now pass
Pax 7-11 by flossygomez	May 18th, 2004 02:42:49 AM
I'm not impressed with Michael Moore, but he's just a good american capitalist trying to make a buck and say whatever he wants. I say let him. Let Rush Limbaugh say whatever he wants too! Hell, let him make a film about the sorry state of drug rehabs in this country. This is the country of make a buck and say your piece. Let them do it, so we can have some more mindless entertainment around here! While we're looking at Rush and Michael wiping their asses, the real action will take place behind closed doors and in sane, orderly meetings about how to distribute more of our cultural insanity across the globe. I for one won't rest until I can sit my pimpled, fat american ass down to a Big Gulp in Bagdad served by underage Iraqis slaving under minimum wage. Hail Democracy! Viva La revolucion!!
Hmmm....an audience of Hollywood-ites and French loved the film? by Darth_Bald	May 18th, 2004 02:52:42 AM
Wow. A 25 minute ovation. Well, my parents were pretty moved by my interpretation of Mowgli in my junior high school's presentation of "The Jungle Book", but then, I think they may have been...what's the word...BIASED. (Although I did look quite fetching in that loincloth!)
Fuck Michael Moore! Why waste broadband on shit like him when w by Commando Cody	May 18th, 2004 02:52:45 AM
Fuck Michael Moore -- he's an idiot and will ideally choke while trying to engulf a whole chicken, 5 hamburgers, and a box of donuts all at the same time any second now. But the NY CSI team looks promising -- Gary Sinese seemed solid in the part, so I think we'll get a worthy third show.
I WOULD give a 25 minute ovation if Lindsay Lohan gave me head by jules windex	May 18th, 2004 02:54:38 AM
Here are the facts: 1. Harry posts this stuff because he knows it will create lots of talkbacks. 2. The ovation was a couple minutes at most. 3. Every right-winger bitching about this film would praise the same kind of film if it had the opposite political viewpoint. Btw, how hilarious was the last Simpsons? Perfectly captured the insanity involved whenever someone says the slightest negative thing about the U.S.
"When he went down the steps, the music being played was John Le by drakeavenue	May 18th, 2004 03:03:14 AM
Oh, PLEASE!
Followed From the Start? by CaptDanielRoe	May 18th, 2004 03:10:31 AM
I followed Bush from the moment I got off the plane in Austin sometime back in the roaring 90s. He was governor and executing people once a week. The Rangers would shut down the streets twice a day for his Ranch-o-cade to wend it's way to the heart of the lefty city from the conservative hills (where one finds Waco). .....Austin is also where Aint It Cool News is from. I discovered the site there when it was a wee phenomenon. Austin was a cool place but had some weird problems like these homeless teenager/college-age kids who were too lazy to sit up off the sidewalk to beg properly. They would flash disgusting (don't ask) polaroids at you just attempting to shock you in that special "Jackass" way. .......I gave one of these poor souls a hundred dollar bill once because she had sad puppy dog eyes, and she just went apesh1t and didn't acknowledge me. It was just a big, nasty "sucker" sign flashing. I realized the fact that she didn't care if her pals saw she had that much money, meant that she didn't care if she had that much money, and was probably a happy college student looking to score some drugs. I had grown up in New York City but never encountered this before. It seemed like an unprecedented cancer upon the land. This was George Bushes Texas, but sure Austin is a comparitively liberal city. But this wasn't about politics. These young people, slightly younger than me, were spiritually and mentally malnourished. The city was healthy but these bad seeds were an unaccountable blight. Am I going to blame George Bush for this? No. Michael Moore. Certainly not. Au Contraire. Bush and Moore are products as much as shapers of America. I like one of them. You like one of them. But we all agree that one or the other is a bad seed. I'm right, and you're wrong, we can both say with certainty, correct? But think about it. If roughly fifty percent of us are THAT F-ed up, that seriously f-ed up beyond all redemption. And since we are all countrymen...Maybe we are all F-ed up. Maybe some less than others. Maybe each in our own way. Whatever we hate about these two sides of the coin, whichever is our Batman or our Joker, the fact is we are ignoring that it's all just a two dimensional comic book. It's a shadow play cast by the real mechanisms of our culture and world which are hard to comprehend in their true form. That it is such a shabby, pathetic image is symptomatic of our sickness: Not the cause. .....Governor Bush let the bodies hit the floor in the prison because people paid with their votes and tax dollars and water-cooler gossip. That he definitely did execute innocents after only allowing their appeals to lie on his desk for unprecedently short periods of time, is a style tolerated by that culture. Created by that culture: After all he's a part of it. ......You complain that Moore misleads people because his opinionated movies look like documentaries (I guess to people who are used to jazzed-up latter day documentaries). But whose example would Michael Moore be following if he had every appearance of objectivity like some silver-templed anchorman from a prior generation? Yours? Doubtful. Mine. Nope. And certainly not George W Bush, who has brought unparalleled stagecraft to misleading public opinion. ...............2000 years from now, when another empire is studying us, they may dismiss all of our quibbles about the source of our weakness and point to something simple, like the lead that poisoned the Romans. Lead didn't make the Romans debaucherous, cruel, and crazy but it dulled them enough, on average, that they couldn't stave off their worse natures. For us, it could be any number of things or countless things altogether. .......Microwave radiation? Flouride? Information technology confusing biolical neural networks that are more comfortable with spatially located objects? .......Whatever. The point is that people say whatever way too much; they may rage and rail but on the whole are not doing much that's constructive. ..........For example, every one of you Michael Moore haters is cordially invited to make your own damn movie about GWB. Odds are in the course of creating you would come around to a viewpoint not so far off Michael Moore's. Test it out: Make a serious academic study of the Bush administration and the forces behind it. Avoid opinion pieces and just look at facts. Odds are you will start to form your own opinion, and it will be a different one from what you currently hold. If you decide then that he's the Bambi-eyed Messiah, well then, you've got a built in audience for your film. But you won't reach that conclusion, not unless paid to do so. ............If we are to get over this and survive as a nation we need to remember the purpose of this country. It is not about being a big strong country with an attitude. It is about securing the right of it's individuals to be happy, be that via religion, art, money, or anything short of Iraqi manflesh. Hands off the manflesh! .........We need to not sweep Abu Ghirab under the rug or explain it away. We need to realize that this happens to our own homegrown prisoners all the time, and it's a sick, sick nation that metes out Sodom and Gomhorrah on its condemned.
Bug by mulberry	May 18th, 2004 03:16:16 AM
Harry, you should have a word with whoever built your website. Whenever you put up an article about Michael Moore, the exact same talkback keeps appearing. Must be a glitch in the system.
After 10 minutes it would seem like people were taking the piss by Dolmes	May 18th, 2004 03:22:56 AM
Cannes is to up itself it's insane
Well some of the looney left wingers are by Spike fan	May 18th, 2004 03:26:30 AM
really right wingers posting as left wingers to make the left look like fools. Seriously its not a new tactic and is pretty pathetic when thats all they have got to do or use. ############################## # As for arguments I notice a lot of people who just use insults on Moore and seem upset. Why???????????? America has been in Saudi Arabia's bed for decades (Scruples go out the window when it comes to cheap oil hence blacking out the Saudis INVOLVEMENT IN sept11th) and the Bush/Bin Laden family connection is true and well is well known. As for all those who seem to think Bush is a good leader or support the war. I suggest you go and sign up and fight ad put you lives where your mouths are.########################## ########## Now maybe Americans do not care but I can tell you know that on sept12th 2001 the world would have done anything you said or asked and saw you as the leader of the free world. Now May2004 the world despises you and see's you as a bully. Why cause of Bush's policys and what he Rumsfeld and Cheney get up to.Like I said maybe the US does not care but there are a lot of people round the world praying (christian as well as muslim) for Bush to be gone by the election.
HEY CaptDanielRoe!!!!!! Homeless teenager/college-age kids who by drakeavenue	May 18th, 2004 03:35:38 AM
Excuse me, but you are overlooking MANY MANY things!
Gee, I guess I do hate America... by iamnicksaicnsn	May 18th, 2004 03:49:31 AM
if America stands for calling people traitors for challenging the president; if America stands for taking away people's right to speak just because they make some poo-poo jokes on the radio; if America stands for free trade without helping the less-fortunate countries (coughNAFTAcoughscrewingMexica nscough); if America rewards the largest of the oligopolies while screwing everyone else (the reason it's called "Perfect Competition" is because, in the consumer's case, IT'S PERFECTION); if America doesn't fight against the separation of church and state, especially considering that no matter how religious the Founding Fathers were, they were adamant about keeping them apart (yeah, that means the Pledge of Allegiance, which didn't have "under God" until 1954); if America starts wars instead of stopping them; if America LIES about the reasons for going to war; if America means that there will be only two classes of people: the many poor and the very few, very rich; if America destroys my land so that I'll have no food or water, and won't be able to go outside without SPF 500000 sunblock; if America allows politicians who got out of their way to keep from serving can trash other people's war service records (a man who lost 3 limbs in Vietnam, a man who received 3 Purple Hearts and a Silver Star, and a man who was not only a POW of Vietnam, but a member of their own party). Captaindanielroe and thegingertwit have good talkbacks.
Erm... by Johnnyhotsausage	May 18th, 2004 04:03:33 AM
Hey I'm all for slamming Bush! I slam Bush every day, twice a day sometimes and even more so at the weekends when I don't have to work.
Whoever wins, you lose! by skate79	May 18th, 2004 04:12:33 AM
Finally someone speaks up about how rotten America has become. And this 'Liberal Media Conspiracy' crap - if the media's so liberal, how come they aren't questioning why the two front runners in the upcoming elections both belong to the same secret society. Bush Vs. Kerry - Whoever wins, you lose! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories /2003/10/02/60minutes/main5763 32.shtml
You get what you deserve! (the "righteous" people i mean) by Darien Fawkes	May 18th, 2004 04:35:25 AM
What can be expected from people that believes burritos and fajitas are spanish products? Those guys wouldn't find their own ass with a map!!
moore has a right to say what he wants........ by SYCOone4	May 18th, 2004 04:45:04 AM
if you dont want to see it then shut the fuck up and dont se it. im all for bush getting his head out of his ass and his hands out of our pockets.i really couldnt care less if that dickhead daddys boy croaked........hmmm. scratch that i dont think i would want old heart attack halliburton running the country either. SHIT either way we're fucked. anyways FUCK BUSH and any1 on his side
The Beast that is Arrogant America by BankyEdwards2309	May 18th, 2004 04:55:44 AM
Once again, the nation of the USA is flaying around like a wounded animal. Fighting off every once of critiscism thrown it's way all in the name of Democracy. When will this purile nation ever come to terms with the fact that not everyone wants to be controlled you, not everyone wants to be sanitised by you and not everyone favours being occupied by you and it's corrupt government. For decades now, the USA has brushed away anyone who opposes it's view of the world by degrading them and humilitaing them into submission. When the USA flexes it's armed muscle it always grabs the smallest,weakest nations to prove it's point. Bullying nations that wouldn't fill even one of your states is not clever or morally just. It's embarrasing. But when some one like Moore exposes what goes on behind the doors of the Whitehouse and how that the USA is more akin to the Land of OZ rather than that of Disney Land as we're all led to believe. The natives become restless. And the paranoia builds.. 'Why does everyone hate us!!". When a poll was taken on the brink of the Iraq 'war', a good majority of the population didn't even know where Iraq was! Now that is both shamefull and ignorant. Supporting an invasion of a country whose location was amystery to you. It's a surprise you found it all together. I for one look forward to the day Korea stands up to you once more and America shits itself like it did last time. It's not nice being bullied is it :). And before you see me as some sort of "Pinko/ Arabic" Brit who helped elect the lap dog that is Blair, you couldn't be further from the truth.
Are all the movie fans on this talkboard right-wing nazis? by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 18th, 2004 04:56:14 AM
Criticism of the President during "war time" is not un-American. I am sure that most of you talk-backers have not even seen the film yet so why all the bitching? It's only a film after all and you don't have to watch it if you don't want to. It may be Leftist propoganda but unlike other regimes that come to mind Americans are free to read, hear, watch and say whatever they like... more or less. A lot of you guys remind me of the Ayatollah when Salman Rushdie's 'Satanic Verses' came out. They decreed a Fatwah on that auithor even though they hadn't even read the book first. I am sure that there are a lot of good arguments to defend the Conservative agenda. I suggest that visitors of that persuasion to this board use their intellect and wit to put across those arguments as opposed to slandering those of an opposing view. The nastier y'all get, the less intelligent your argument becomes. Isn't ideology a groovy thing?
news said mixed reviews, get your c$%k out of moore's ass by gambit800	May 18th, 2004 05:01:03 AM
they said the response was mixed all over the news. don't fall for this eurotrash shit.
Kubrick said by allhailthomyorke	May 18th, 2004 05:01:19 AM
Sadly, I agree. And maybe it's not odd that I do agree, seeing as how Kubrick is my favorite director. Unfortunately, though I hope the film does spread awareness, the fact is that a die-hard Republican will loathe it and those who tend to be more liberal will be more open to its message. However, there are some out there who do not know how to feel about the issue, and hopefully this can help them decide.
Connections can always be made... by allhailthomyorke	May 18th, 2004 05:05:32 AM
Perhaps the connection would be that a society's violent tendencies/values can manifest themselves in different ways? I mean, just because the Columbine shooters had nothing to do with the bombing in Bosnia doesn't mean that the two acts didn't originate in the same culture. Moore's point was valid: how can we expect children to grow up to respect life and turn away from violence when our government plays with aggressive force like it's a toy?
facts....you haven't seen them? by allhailthomyorke	May 18th, 2004 05:10:01 AM
There are plenty of facts that would make this country overthrow Bush if they believed them, however people will only believe what they want to-that's our nature. Just because the truth is right in front of you doesn't mean you have to open your eyes.
Lying for Columbine... by badboymason	May 18th, 2004 05:12:46 AM
Agree with the point that Moore used to be a kind of people's champion, using solid facts to expose greedy CEOs and shoddy treatment of employees. Reading his latest book "Dude Wheres my Country?" he seems to have turned into a conspiracy nut, using half-facts and interpretations to imply, with no sold evidence to back it up, that the 911 attacks were allowed to happen so that, among other things, an Afghan oil pipeline could be completed.... I am in the UK, so will watch Fahrenheit 911 with interest, and probably enjoy it, but will treat it as it should be, political comment/ satire/ entertainment - not a presentation of incontrovertible truths...
Americans are not used to criticism by Droozle	May 18th, 2004 05:16:17 AM
I can't believe the reactions I read at this site. Seems like Michael Moore has touched the very nerve of the rotting tooth the American society is. Finally someone is shaking off the patriotism and chauvinism with which every American citizen is soaked, to form an objective opinion about what America stands for. The result is a subjective movie (not an objective documentary), that is a great way to start an intelligent discussion about media, misinformation and so-called democratic politics. And look what happens: people ranting about futile details regarding ovations and "being American". Sigh.
Cut the Bull by Wellesian	May 18th, 2004 05:17:47 AM
Let's cut the bull, and the frothing at the mouth. There are two big fat guys who like to inflame the audience and play hard and fast with the facts. On the right, there's Rush Limbaugh, and on the left there's Michael Moore. If you hate one for one reason, you should hate the other for the same reasons. They're both blowhards of their own philosophies, and both deserve to be treated as blowhards. And, frankly, anyone who paints Bush as evil is stupid, and not aiding the cause of the left. Anyone who says that not supporting Bush means you hate America and love Iraq and terrorists is stupid and not aiding the cause of the right. Why don't some of you try thinking about an issue before you comment on a global website?
To all the naysayers: go ahead and SUE! by DonnaDarko	May 18th, 2004 05:20:31 AM
Go Ahead! If you are SO convinced that Moore is a liar and full of shit, go ahead and sue him, the distributor, and the theatres. Slander? Libel? File a complaint! A grand jury will sort you out! Let the facts be decided out in a court of law! I'll be waiting with baited breath for the decision to be annouced on Fox News! Surely you are correct! Bush and his loyal followers are above reproach (and the USA's Constitution!). Please - defend your Conservative politics now: the State's powers, the minimal federal debt, allowing America's citizens to have the freedom to think for themselves, church and state - you know, all of those things we hold so dearly to our hearts - you know, all of the things Conservatism has based it's philosophies on for the past 100 years! It's the so-called neo "Conservatives" that are destroying this great country. They don't even realize that they are Nazis. Taking away freedoms, shoving a 'camera' up my cunt while in the bedroom. Fuck them. Since when has censorship, religious hatred and intolerance, and intimidation for nothing more than questioning our government's policies been unpatriotic? THOSE OF US DOING THE QUESTIONING ARE THE PATRIOTS! In case some of you forgot - the US government WORKS for US citizens! And more than 50% of you chose another leader in 1999. Don't look at me cause I'm Canadian. PLEASE regain control of your country! You can be so great, so wonderful and creative - stop the morons who are killing your creativity!
My Hopes by Diogenes	May 18th, 2004 05:21:02 AM
I just hope this is better and more truthful than Bowling for Columbine. While I thought Bowling for Columbine was entertaining, I did not like the lack of logic in most of the film, while I did think his point on the fear culture is dead on, the rest was streching logic. But anyways I think this doc will be much better, I hope.
If you seek political advise from a film or movie website by pogo on my own	May 18th, 2004 05:22:46 AM
You are a moron. I dont know why you people are going at each other so rabidly. Hell most of the idiots on this talkback have never seen a voting booth, and cant stop jerking off long enough to form a well informed political opinion.
BTW by Diogenes	May 18th, 2004 05:24:18 AM
By the way, why do so many people care if Harry puts promotes this doc so much, it's his site, he has the right to promote anything as much as he wants, people need to chill. If you dont like his opinions just create your own site and trash this doc all you want, but dont knock Harry for promoting what he wants!
Read Jeffrey Well's Review by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 18th, 2004 05:27:17 AM
For anyone that's interested, Jeffrey Well's has posted an excellent review of the film's Canne screening over at Moviepoopshoot.com. Go to http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/ elsewhere/index.html
"The obvious sham of the Nick Berg beheading " by DocPazuzu	May 18th, 2004 05:36:24 AM
GingerTwit, I'm no friend of the Bush administration but you're nothing but a conspiracy goon -- not to mention a fucking asshole. Why don't you do sensible people of all political leanings a favor and just kill yourself right now.
by CrimandEvil	May 18th, 2004 05:43:08 AM
10 minutes, 25 minutes? Either way good for him. But...(you knew there had to be one) I wonder if he ever talks about the relationship that Clinton had with the House of Saud and all the other stuff that helped lead up to 9/11?...No? Okay I was just wondering. (LOL) ;)
Grozilla please learn English by spooksmcgee	May 18th, 2004 05:53:56 AM
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I WOULD give a 25 minute ovation if Lindsay Lohan gave me head by CrimandEvil	May 18th, 2004 06:05:38 AM

I WOULD give a 25 minute ovation if Lindsay Lohan gave me head by CrimandEvil	May 18th, 2004 06:09:30 AM
Or... Lacey Chabert Marisa Tomei (Really the list goes on) :)
Harry, if you like documentaries that much, why don by Darien Fawkes	May 18th, 2004 06:25:18 AM
Yup, you may find it quite revealing. Watch it alongside with your new secret "little" friend Moore
You know what I haven by Keyser Soze	May 18th, 2004 06:35:04 AM
Big League Chew. - Keyser S
Donna Darko: "It's the neo Conservatives that are destroying thi by Big Dumb Ape	May 18th, 2004 06:42:38 AM
Yes, because I'm sooooooo sure that's high on the list of "things to do" on the Republican National Committee's agenda this election year. Nice rant, Donna -- hope your new meds kick in soon and help with these attacks of delusional psychosis you're clearly having. I love when morons like you rant about Conservatives being NAZIS no less, yet can't offer up ANY substance as to "what" civil liberties or freedoms you've actually lost. But that's ok, just like Michael Moore, a little thing called "facts" shouldn't get in your way. Not when you can continue to foam at the mouth like a mad rabid animal and spew leftist bullshit without ever having to back it up. Oh, yeah -- as for "the camera up your cunt", don't blame that on us Republicans. It's not our fault you want to run a porn Cam site from your bedroom and no one is interested in looking at your privates online. Try wearing some thigh high boots and a kinky latex outfit around your bedroom next time. Who knows, maybe some playful costumes will get you more hits...
McDisney by Barry Normal	May 18th, 2004 06:57:58 AM
Disney is Fugging the fabric of Society - 'DONALD RUMPS FELT'
Quality and truthfulness of this film aside by prof1971	May 18th, 2004 06:58:33 AM
The truth is, Moore could have put anything at all on the screen and as long as it took aim at George Bush, conservatism, and America in general, there is certainly going to be a ready made base of people who are going to go into massive simulataneous orgasm over it. This is the same fan base that includes those idiots who "vomited for peace" and walked the streets of New York waving Palestinian flags and carrying pictures of Bush with Hitler moustaches painted on them. Certainly there's going to be wild applause.
A film is always one mans vision.. even a documentary by Mr London	May 18th, 2004 07:06:38 AM
Seems some of you are getting really passionate about Micheal Moore giving a distorted prespective on world events, I wish you would get this passionate about things when George Bush does the same! I am just happy to get another persons view on the world. I dont agree with all of Micheal Moores views, but its one of the few opportunities to see an alternative opinion
I never said by prof1971	May 18th, 2004 07:09:53 AM
That Moore was Anti-American...but his work does tend to appeal to that crowd. Sure, it also appeals to those who merely hate Bush and conservatives....But like it or not...this is a film that the French would loooove....why is that? Because they hate us.
It doesn't matter whether Michael Moore is a left-wing donkey te by FD Resurrected	May 18th, 2004 07:17:22 AM
Please watch more Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity ramp up more attacks on "commie fat fuck" Moore on TiVO, Bush-rubbin', fingerin', lickin' and eatin' wankers. Bush's cronies drawing up the plan to character-assassinate Moore in the media and physically harming him in public isn't far from reality...now let the frenzy begin.
America Invading by stvnhthr	May 18th, 2004 07:18:07 AM

clapping continuously for 10 minutes is retarded, let alone 25. by mansep	May 18th, 2004 07:18:49 AM

America Invading by stvnhthr	May 18th, 2004 07:20:06 AM
America doesn't invade foreign counties? You ever heard of a little get together called WWII? Was that wrong as well? Is war only justified when it fits Moore's political views?
Never mind the fact that Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, caused trem by BoyNamedSue	May 18th, 2004 07:21:44 AM
or the Sarin Nerve gas that was found yesterday..........or the fact that al Qaeda are now in Iraq (witness the Berg video), meaning we can bring them out of their caves and take the war to them, before they strike us on our own soil.
I'm not going to do it by prof1971	May 18th, 2004 07:21:50 AM
You so badly want me to try to approve censorship or to impinge on your "freedom of speech" Sorry, I'm not going to do that. As for boycotting stuff...that's not censorship. If I don't want to buy something from someone I don't like...That's my freedom of speech. And I'm allowed to hate anyone that I want...Just like Moore is, just like the Europeans do...Reasons for a lot of European countries hatred of us extend past the Iraq war. Maybe it's just a symptom of being the biggest dog on the block...maybe it's the exposure of the Oil for food scandal...who knows...All I claimed was that people that hate us will most likely enjoy this film....I don't know how we got to "Freedom of speech."
G-SUS KRISTE STOOPID by prof1971	May 18th, 2004 07:27:03 AM
I never said anything about me personally hating anyone or any country....please please please stop putting words in my mouth. I'll say it one more time....People who hate Americans will like a film like this. I didn't say that ONLY people who hate America...Just that there is a pre-fab fan base salivating for something like this! Not "I hate Moore" not "I hate the French" not "You need to shut up because I don't like what you say." You dilute real censorship when you accuse any and everyone of trying to do censor you. I made one small point and somehow you've turned it into this grand conspiracy against you and anyone that speaks out aginst this country. Sorry...it isn't there.
Ok let me amend by prof1971	May 18th, 2004 07:43:55 AM
There is a ready made fan base of people who hate the FACT that America "runs about slapping our balls in everyones faces, bringing your morality to others in an aggressive arrogant way. " We are the biggest dog on the block...why is that a cheap shot? I didn't say "The UK sucks." We just happen to be the strongest nation on the planet. It's just a fact.. I don't even give a SHIT about this part of the conversation...somehow I let you suck me into this global debate about geo-politics. Again......the only point that I was originally trying to make was that there are a lot of people that will flock to this kind of film regardless of its quality (and I didn't even say it was a bad film) just that it doesn't matter to a certain base. It's just like the band REM...they could put out a record of nothing but sampled bird noises...it would sell a million copies...Why? Because there's a huge fan base for REM that will but whatever they put out. I was trying to comment on a film (on a film site imagine that) and not I'm debating all of America's ills. If I wanted to get into a fight with a liberal (or whatever you are) I'd go to democraticunderground or somewhere like that.
Okay thats it by CrimandEvil	May 18th, 2004 08:11:01 AM
You folks have convinced me to vote Bush this year (even though I voted Gore last time), since the whole "vocal minority" stuff I feel very comfortable voting out of spit. ;)
h by Windowlicker74	May 18th, 2004 08:12:47 AM

It's Fawkes for you, Stoopid by Darien Fawkes	May 18th, 2004 08:14:03 AM
And i don
Opps by CrimandEvil	May 18th, 2004 08:15:57 AM

Yes, yes, Stoopid, the French loving this film is a nice thing i by Triumph poops!	May 18th, 2004 08:24:38 AM
Please, please, give me a break! We Americans don't mock the French simply because they had a few marches or protested against the war. We dislike the French because they're fucking weak assed PUSSIES. The French like to talk big and strut like arrogant "we know better than you" peacocks, when in truth they are no more than dogs who shuffle about with their tails between their legs AND they follow a total coward and sell-out like Chirac, who was a paid goon in the back pocket of Hussein. This man wouldn't know a moral stance if it bit him in the ass. He was against the war simply because it was going to cost him billions in French oil contracts. He didn't give one shit about the actual Iraqi people suffering or being murdered, not so long as French sponsored pipelines and refineries were going to be built. Not to mention the sale of questionable items by the French to Saddam that had dual military purposes for chemical warfare development. If ANYONE is a fucking modern NAZI who deserves to be strung up and hung as a traitor to humanity, it's Chirac. Oh, and we make fun of the French because they talk funny, the women have hairy arm pits, they smell and have no concept of bathing --- in part because they also have no concept of modern air conditioning which is why people were dropping and dying of heat prostation last year quicker then I take my next piss. But those are all just side reasons to mock the French for being such utter goons. Besides, the French applauding Michael Moore at Cannes only makes sense. Those beret-wearing winos also thought Jerry Lewis was brilliant back when he was making crap bigger than when I take a dump! The biggest problem with France is they can't win any fights without American support, so they just have penis envy -- plain and simple. So OF COURSE the French love Michael Moore. He's so blubbery and rotund, just like France as a whole, he can't find his dick either.
to all those dumbfucks out there complaining about the lack of p by Windowlicker74	May 18th, 2004 08:27:34 AM
Maybe the Americans on this site still haven't noticed( stuck up as they are) but people from all over the world post here, hence the spelling mistakes. caprice? try learn a second or third language yourself.
Love him all you want, but... by FluffyUnbound	May 18th, 2004 08:40:12 AM
Just remember: The argument structure "This man's brother is friends with the cousin of a bad person," is inherently fallacious. Half of Moore's film [apparently] consists of different versions of that statement. The other half [apparently] consists of interviews with people who don't like the war - and the existence of a range of opinion about the war should not be a surprise. I could have made the same documentary in England in 1941, if this is the extent of Moore's argument. Leaving aside the rightness or wrongness of his opinions, the fact that you people are just plain old too limited to recognize the "guilt by association" fallacy, and the way it plays itself out in ALL of Moore's films, is just one more piece of proof that the Enlightenment assumptions underlying modern political systems are false, and that our democracy is doomed to ultimate failure. Oh well, fuck it. If you don't care, I don't care.
According to Roger Ebert... by Elmore Rigby	May 18th, 2004 08:43:39 AM
"The film premiered Monday at the Cannes Film Festival to a series of near-riot scenes, as overbooked screenings were besieged by mobs trying to push their way in. The response at the early morning screening I attended was loudly enthusiastic. And at the official black-tie screening, it was greeted by a standing ovation; a friend who was there said it went on "for at least 25 minutes," which probably means closer to 15 (estimates of ovations at Cannes are like estimates of parade crowds in Chicago)." http://www.suntimes.com/output /eb-feature/cst-ftr-cannes18.h tml
The Big Lie by RickP66	May 18th, 2004 10:02:47 AM
Michael Moore IS the Joseph Goebels of the 21st Century...proving like other Nazis before him that if you repeat big enough lies long enough people WILL believe them. Especially if they are what those people want to hear. I find it incredible that the left accuses the right of lying when it is almost always the hard left that spreads the lies, as proven by this mockumentary.
DO YOU THINK THIS "A" STANDS FOR "FRANCE"?!?!? by rev_skarekroe	May 18th, 2004 11:23:48 AM
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the ram......Saddam's government and al Qaeda WERE linked by BoyNamedSue	May 18th, 2004 11:35:01 AM
Actually, al Qaeda training camps were in Iraq while Saddam was in power. Did Saddam know? I can't say! Surely members of his intelligence agency had to know (and the Berg video confirms they're in Iraq...and always were)........But like Bush said after 9/11, any country that shelters this organization, or any other dangerous Islamic militants hostile to the U.S. will face the consequences. But what's brilliant about Bush going to Iraq is that we're drawing this filth out of their caves and taking the fight to their part of the world....and sending them to a place where, I can assure you, they won't be meeting 70 virgins...... This is opposed to them coming to our soil and doing what we witnessed them do almost three years ago.....German intelligence told us that Muhammad Atta, who flew one of the planes into the World Trade Center, met with an Iraqi intelligence official in Germany in the summer of 2001 (a fact heavily reported in the days following 9/11, but seldom, if ever, reported now) SO YOU DON"T DARE TELL ME AL QAEDA AND IRAQ AREN'T LINKED......Saddam may not have known for purposes of plausible deniability, but it was HIS intelligence agency involved with al Qaeda........I think you're the one in need of a reality check, pal........If there's any true justice in this world, Iran and Syria are next!!!!!
If Moore translated his film into a piece of writing by mansala	May 18th, 2004 11:38:19 AM
it would called an essay. It's just a film-essay, people.
i agree w/ fullmetajessica by mansala	May 18th, 2004 12:00:29 PM
i'm afraid that people get so wrapped up in the minutia of "what happened, who did what to whom" that they forget that we are one species on this planet. i believe that the choice to blame other human beings for troubles will be our greatest downfall. i agree that when moore used compared world events to columbine, i believe he was pointing at the state of humanity today. to talk about humanity as a whole, without division into liberals, conservatives, jews, muslims, etc. -- this is something that just doesn't occur to people, as evidenced by talkbackers who did not even think of this as possibly moore's intention.
CaptDaniel Roe full of it by BTR1701	May 18th, 2004 12:38:18 PM
You say Bush "was governor and executing people once a week." Wrong. The courts sentenced the defendants to death and the Texas governor doesn't have the legal authority to grant a pardon. Only the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles can do that. The only power the governor has is to grant a 30-day stay of execution and he can only do that once.**Next you say, "The Rangers would shut down the streets twice a day for his Ranch-o-cade to wend it's way to the heart of the lefty city from the conservative hills (where one finds Waco)." Well, the Texas Rangers don't do traffic control at all, so that's full of shit right off. Next, Bush didn't even buy his ranch near Waco until 1998 so your claim that his "ranch-o-cade" was shutting down the streets in the early 90's is also full of shit. And those bizarre homeless people you blamed on Bush? They were there all through the tenures of Democrats Mark White and Ann Richards also when I was at UT. So that's more shit from you.***"Governor Bush let the bodies hit the floor in the prison " No he didn't let them do anything. The Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles let the bodies hit the floor. More shit from you. "That he definitely did execute innocents after only allowing their appeals to lie on his desk for unprecedently short periods of time" Again, more shit since as I've said twice now, he didn't have the authority to do anything about them, except grant one 30-day stay of execution.
More power to Michael Moore! by Red Raider	May 18th, 2004 01:03:21 PM
Bill Clinton gets impeached for merely getting some trim in the oval office. Like he's the first?!(rolls eyes). George W. Bush, on the other hand, has done enough to get his ass impeached several times over._______www.thousandreason s.org _____________________________ btw Stoopid, well put. We call ourselves a democracy, yet we treat our allies like enemies just because they oppose going to war in Iraq. At the rate Bush is going, we won't have any allies left. The "either you're with us or against us" mentality is downright ignorant and destructive when it comes to our allies. They're entitled to their own educated opinion about the situation, Mr. Bush! Bush
The French loved it? I didn't know Ira Einhorn and Jerry Lewis s by SalvatoreGravano	May 18th, 2004 01:34:20 PM
And I'm sure it was actually a 25000 minute long flying ovation.
Mace, if I thought that was Bush's plan I would find a way to vo by FluffyUnbound	May 18th, 2004 02:04:07 PM

Geez, Harry by ScandalMonger	May 18th, 2004 02:14:02 PM
Why doesn't Harry just fellate Michael Moore and get it done with? "Screaming, Standing" ovation? Freud would have a field day. Just admit your feelings, Harry, and get thyself to Provincetown.
Future Reference, let me see... by FluffyUnbound	May 18th, 2004 02:19:50 PM
OK, this may be a roundabout way of answering your question, but here goes: It is possible to identify certain notions advanced by Enlightenment thinkers that continue to inform our political processes, across just about every governmental type and all the main ideologies. I used to subscribe to several of these premises, and in combination they led me to be a constitutional right-libertarian. I say "used to" because this was in the time before the internet. None of the premises of the Enlightenment can survive contact with your fellow men over the internet. It's actually one of the greatest powers of the web as a communications tool. In the past, idealisms would collapse when they were implemented in the real world, because the assumptions about Man that were made by those idealisms would turn out not to be true. In the modern era, we no longer need to waste all of that time and trouble - the internet brings us into instant contact with millions of people, and we can be educated as to their nature without a lot of additional fol-de-rol. Here are the premises that can be proven to not be true, even if you didn't take the full internet but only took Talkback: 1. Man is capable of reason. [He is not.] 2. Individuals of differing views can deliberate and determine the worth of their respective views. [No, they can't. Deliberation does not exist and has never existed. No one has ever deliberated. Ideas advance by shouting and by attrition.] Man is capable of self-government. [This may currently appear to be true, but the meter is still running.] Skepticism and pluralism will lead to mutual tolerance. [I expect open violence in the streets if this election is too close.] So, this is a roundabout way of answering your question as I noted above, but my recommendation for an Ayn Rand book would be "Atlas Shrugged", not because of its philosophical or political content - which is just as subject to the errors above as any other rationalist construction - but because lots of stuff blows up in it, and that is satisfying in an atavistic sort of way, once you move far enough into the misanthropy appropriate to us in 2004.
No victim here Stoopid by prof1971	May 18th, 2004 02:35:47 PM
Here you go...here's an American stereotype for you to jump on: Who the hell's crying victim? Certainly not me. I don't give a rat's ass who does or doesn't like us. Ahhhhh....that felt good. Now if you'll excuse me, me and some of my ignorant redneck American friends are going to go to the lake, drink beer, go fishing and make fun of all those cheese eating surrender monkeys that are whining about money from Saddam's oil for food program that just isn't coming in anymore.
The proof that I am right by ChickenGeorgeVII	May 18th, 2004 02:41:47 PM
Everyone so far just is expressing opinion...but I am here to say I AM RIGHT!!!! THAT'S ME!!! I'M THE WINNER!!! I SAID THE RIGHT THINGS BECAUSE I USED LARGE CAPITAL LETTERS!!!! I HAVE THE TALKING STICK!!!! I HAVE THE TALKING STICK!!!!! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! I'M THE LOUDEST CRACKPOT!!! I'M THE LOUDEST CRACKPOT!!! THAT MAKES ME CORRECT!!!! LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!!! LOOK AT ME!!! I'M THE WINNER!!!! I'M THE WINNER!!!! I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG!!!! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! YOU CAN'T SAY I'M WRONG BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!!!! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! I'M RIGHT BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT LIKE ME AND THEREFORE THEY ARE DUMB!!!! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! NAH-NAH! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!....And thus, what is the subject again? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
Did anyone stop to consider that they were probably applauding b by AARONIUS	May 18th, 2004 02:59:08 PM
It's really easy to look right when you piece together two hours of just what YOU want to PREACH to people. Someone please take away this clown's video camera. I'm all for freedom of speech and expression but that doesn't apply to imbeciles.
fuck you The Finn by suck_it	May 18th, 2004 03:20:47 PM
Fuck you. Joining the military doesn't make you tough. If this is the result of your time in the military (telling people you have big balls), then you obviously have self esteem problems. Grow up. Maybe you should have joined for a reason other than to promote your big hairy gargantuan man-balls. Next time, think things through.
Message for Everybody by Keyser Soze	May 18th, 2004 03:26:06 PM
Okay, okay... no more dumb-ass Family Guy jokes... I promise. I keep reading all these posts about Moore
Enough With the Michael Moore Coverage by Starbuck1975	May 18th, 2004 03:49:30 PM
Harry you are trying too hard to push Michael Moore's film...it will get distributed and viewed, and a standing ovation at Cannes is hardly a vindication of the film or its work...it is easy to get approval or praise from a room or audience of people who are already like minded or in agreement with your message...Michael Moore has failed on every count to explain the criticisms of "Bowling for Columbine" and he is equally incapable of engaging in meangingful debate...he is an artist of the catchy sound byte...the edgy political statement that catches on with the liberal sheep in this country, but is rarely supported by facts...lets face it, the liberals of America will praise Fahrenheit 9/11 as the most significant piece of cinema ever created while conservatives will dismiss it...it is not going to change anyone's minds, nor is it a true documentary because it is tainted with partisan bullshit.
Someone earlier in this talkback got it right when they said the by Aston Lad	May 18th, 2004 04:12:17 PM
We're talking about an enemy that doesn't wear uniforms, doesn't display its weapons systems to the outside world, only admits/denies responsibilities when it's politically convenient for them to do so, doesn't care who its allies are so long as it increases their funding (Dictators? Drug dealers? They don't care, they just want support for their cause) and most importantly, who uses images of collateral damage as propaganda to win more support for them amongst their civilians. FLASH ALERT AMERICANS: YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN THIS WAR ON TERROR BY BOMBING THE CRAP OUT OF EVERY THIRD WORLD REGIME YOU DON'T LIKE AND KILLING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS IN THE PROCESS! Think about it: I, like many non-Americans, LOVE your country. I love your movies. I love your cars. I especially love your space program, which gave me years of childhood fantasies. I'd love to fly your planes (fair does, you do build some gorgeous military jets). I'm also grateful that you won the Cold War, since I hate to think the world's only superpower would otherwise have been a non-democratic one. You cannot accuse me of being anti-American when I have high hopes of one day becoming one of your fellow citizens...yet you had the whole world's sympathy after 9/11 and you've completely squandered it in less than two years. CAN'T YOU ACCEPT THAT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG HERE???
Proper Grammar and Syntax... by Flem_Snopes	May 18th, 2004 04:29:18 PM
...not such a bad thing to throw into a review. Maybe next time...
Tyrannous? by hamo455	May 18th, 2004 05:55:43 PM
I think you meant tyrannical. Saying your president is a "tyrannous bastard" should elicit a response along the lines of "What? A Sith Lord here in the Whitehouse?"
Hey Anathema1973... by Key_Card	May 18th, 2004 06:04:08 PM
got to www.bowlingfortruth.com. Michael Moore is nothing but a hypocritical liar who stages and misrepresents things to get his point across. But I'll bet you won't go there after daring someone to prove him wrong. Michael Moore is a psychotic asshole who was given a political award in the form of an Oscar statuette. His film didn't qualify under the Academys own guidelines, yet somehow it won. That right there dispells any argument that mainstream Hollywood isn't a bunch of liberal eliteists.
ohhhhh-wee!! Look at the evil and hate that is oozing on here.. by Russman	May 18th, 2004 06:07:25 PM
It's even scary when someone lays out the blatant evil of George Bush and his pappy and his administration. Wake up folks... George the Monkey will kill us all. Impeach Bush!!!
Yeah, the important thing is not how treasonous the Adninistrati by lettersoftransit	May 18th, 2004 06:38:56 PM
So, the Republican attack swine have decided that AICN -- and every other site that may mention this film -- must be inundated with shills trying desperately to get people to obsess about how many minutes the applause went on for (and of course if it was exaggerated that must be the ONLY thing anyone talks about because God knows we don't want anyone talking about whether the Bush family really has had its blue blood monied nose up the ass of the Saudi Royal family and God knows we don't want to talk about whether that might be something of a conflict of interest). Wait, it's also okay to talk about whether Michael Moore is trying to hype Michael Moore. Because the more we talk about Moore and whether he's hyping himself the less we will talk about whether the psychotically selfish and short-sighted swine that whisper policy into Bush's ear may have something less than the interests of the country or its people at heart. We've got a President who is insulated from any view except those of advisors who are deterined that the purpose of government is to advance nothing but their own personal short-term interests -- at the expense of everybody, at the expense of the country, even at the expense of their own long-term interests. The people who pull Bush's strings will never be satisfied and will never stop pushing and pushing to get more for themselves and to make it less and less possible for a person to succeed if they were not born to money. Bush's puppeteers want this country turned into a Plutocracy, ruled by the landed gentry. They do not want their idiot sons and daughters to have to compete with people who might have better ideas or a willingness to work harder. They do not want small companies having a ghost of a chance against large companies. They do not want their idiot sons and daughters, or their unprincipled CEOs to have to contend with laws that are designed to protect workers, the environment, or even free enterprise itself. These are the people who, decades ago, fought so viciously to protect their right to keep slaves, to beat and even execute "troublemaking" workers at will. These are the people who, hundreds of years ago, demanded lifetime servitude from their workers, along with the right to screw any of the wives and daughters who caught their eye. The people who are most rabidly behind Bush are the people who hate Clinton not because of his policies (which were more republican than any other democratic president in memory) but because Clinton dared to reach the presidency from low class origins, and hecause entrepreneurs and small businesses flourished during his Administration, creating more new millionaires than ever before. The people behind Bush do not want new millionaires. They want the old millionaires to keep their money and prevent new millionaires from cutting into their business and forcing them to work harder to cpmpete. The people who support Bush the hardest, and who cry the hardest about Patriotism, would not give a rat's ass if this country were reduced to a dictatorship, so long as they kept their privilege and place in society. The people in the Bush Administration who cry the loudest about free enterprise are the ones who work the hardest to keep opportunity in the hands of the few. They are the enemies of democracy, and the enemies of free enterprise.
Mace - I agree, there are to many people in the world now by Russman	May 18th, 2004 07:02:40 PM
Dick Gergory spoke at our college one time and warned us about this... how the world is to populated for the powers that be to deal with. Resources are stretched thin and it's just to damn expensive to feed, heal and clothe all of the poor people out there. This of course leads to the theory that AIDS is a man made disease designed to kill through the one activity that every human being loves to do - sex. And love'em or hate 'em, poor people looooovvveeee to fuck (as does everyone else). What better way to remove a large and still growing segment of the population - by silently killing them off as they do the one thing that they can do well while they sit at home, unemployeed (no not all poor people are jobless). Sure you'll have some collateral damage, but it's for the greater good, right? He even commented on how AIDS is raveging Africa, which is lush with natural resources - it's just to damn bad all those people live there. But if those people were gone...all of that land and resources can go right back to the former invaders (disounting the expanding desert area though). Is AIDS killing off a lot of the Chinese? They've got over a billion people stuck in that country... wonder if they'd ever plan on exporting a couple hundred million to a newly depopulated Africa. But hey, who cares man, I'm gonna do my 70 to 80 years and then die. It's not like the human race is here for anything or any higher purpose, is there? Sure I could invent a new lightbulb that con conserve energy, but in the end it'll end up being some sex toy that some guy will shove up his ass. Nah, just a bunch of loud, over breeding, hairless apes that love to kill themselves. Screw you guys, I'm going home!
Stoopid, I'm a LIBERAL AMERICAN (and proud of both)... by Rebeck	May 18th, 2004 07:17:45 PM
Please stop "helping" my cause. I would agree with almost 99% of your rantings if you kept it to that idiot Bush and not my country. You generalize constantly about all Americans and, yeah, it pisses us ALL off. How would you feel if I generalized about all Brits?? You're actually helping the conservatives, because the more rabidly anti-American you "foreigners" seem, it adds to the paranoia that bolsters Dubya's assinine, simplistic world view! Do you understand? And have YOU EVEN BEEN TO THE U.S.??? My bet is once when you were 12, four days at Disneyworld, and you had a grand old time. You keep protesting otherwise, but what comes through the loudest in your posts is a pathological disgust with America. Will you be just as pissy if my man Kerry wins in the fall?? Or will you cut us some FUCKING SLACK??! It's OUR young men and women who are dying over there for no reason (about what, 750 to your 75?), so let us be the most outraged. It's OUR money he's spending. And, you know what, I don't think he's going to be there another four years. But your hatred will still be around, and you need to move on and deal with the problems in your own country. Oh and the victimization thing is probably because of those 3000 people killed in our front yard a few years ago. Let me guess: you were one of those people who THE VERY NEXT DAY was saying, well, they deserved it. I'm right, aren't I? That's why our political agreement means nothing because, god forbid, I love my country and I don't like seeing my countrymen die in a senseless attack. Yeah our paranoia has no basis in reality - like Israel is paranoid too.
Harry et al., forgive me if I'm little underwhelmed that Moore w by forward_deploymx	May 18th, 2004 07:46:25 PM
A little word of advice. If you're going to try and foist you political ideas on people who visit your site under the pretext that they will be catching up on entertainment related news and topics, do it in more direct manner instead of using proxies like Moore's "documentaries" and other movies. It makes you look like a goddamn coward. Stick with movie news and quit trying to pull a CNN.
I Have Something Vitally Important to Say by Jervis Tetch	May 18th, 2004 07:47:55 PM
...no, wait. I've read all the other talkbacks. It's all been said. From both sides. All two of them. Never mind. Thanks.
I dunno what Ebert & Roeper gave this movie, but Bin Laden & Al- by Deagle2	May 18th, 2004 08:42:52 PM

I remember when Moore was bullshitting us about the number of em by vikingkitty	May 18th, 2004 08:45:36 PM
As I recall, he claimed to receive somewhere around the neighborhood of 10,000 letters each week. Of course, he failed to mention that 1/3 of these were from people offering to help his pitiful pecker grow, 1/3 offered to increase his bust, and the other third were offering him amazing opportunities from Nigeria.
Moore Over/Under by Darth Brooks	May 18th, 2004 10:02:29 PM
When will Michael Moore do the John Candy / Chris Farley choke-on-his-own-esophagus thing? My over/under is right around Episode III's release.
GO HARRY GO!!! by WoodyStiffer	May 18th, 2004 11:58:17 PM
Keep fighting the good fight baby! Keep the Michael Moore posts coming. Regardless of what morons post in this forum, Bush is going down in November. The jackass has spend $70 million on negative ads so far and his poll numbers continue to drop. You can only be so incredibly bad as a President before daily fellatio from the media in the form of glowing praise will NOT convince the sheep anymore. Bush has 2 sets of fans: Billionaires and morons. Thankfully, some of the morons are waking up! On another note: don't you just love the idiots who don't seem to realize that part of what makes America great is the ability to voice your opinion? I love hearing all these idiots yell "traitor" or "well, leave the country then". Just dunces, all of them.
Rebeck by WoodyStiffer	May 19th, 2004 12:03:31 AM
One point: most around the world weren't saying "America deserved it" after 9/11. Reading the BBC pages and reader feedback right after the 9/11 attacks, even Iranians were saying they were outraged about what had happened. The difference between now and then? Dumbya's rhetoric and the illegal war which, the majority of the world saw through, yet 50% (or more likely more) of the morons in my country, the US, supported. Bush is, quite simply, a retard. He and his cabal couldn't have screwed up foreign relations more if they had tried. We went from unprecedented support during Clinton to universal hatred under Dumbya. It's astonishing.
Aston_Lad by WoodyStiffer	May 19th, 2004 12:12:37 AM
Hey dude, you're absolutely right. Most people realize that terrorism isn't something you fight with aircraft carriers. It's just that Dumbya and his chickenhawk supporters like to go to war - even though the majority of them haven't even been near one. Living in Europe as a kid, I came to realize that most European countries have been living with terrorism for decades - being in London in the early 80's when terrorist bombs are going off will do that to you. The US seems to think it started with 9/11. America has slowly woken up, hell even my parents have now decided to vote against dipshit Bush (with no prodding from me) in the upcoming election, and they were fervent supporters of his right before the Iraq war.
America by WoodyStiffer	May 19th, 2004 12:30:31 AM
I think that one of the most unsettling things to come out of 9/11, besides the tragedy itself, is the ignorance of most of my fellow Americans. I get tired of Americans saying "the world has changed". Here comes the clue train, last stop is you: the western world, with the exception of America, has long dealt with terrorism. The US has just recently joined the club. It's amazing, or maybe more accurately an indictment of the US educational system as our schools don't seem to be doing their jobs and making kids aware of what has been happening in the world for decades. Additionally, it's also an indictment of the poor state of our US News Networks who would rather talk about Michael Jackson's latest legal predicament versus current affairs happening in the rest of the world. Case in point: CNN's world in a minute. Like news in the rest of the world only deserves 60 seconds of a viewer's time - just absurd!!
Orions Angels by WoodyStiffer	May 19th, 2004 12:32:36 AM
You're clueless and I pity you. Bush has done more for terrorists than they could have possibly dreamed. The idiot has made us a prime candidate for terrorists. His war has done nothing more than empower 1,000 new Bin Laidins. Get a clue moron - your idol is leading America down the wrong path.
BUSH = GOOD FOR AL QAEDA by WoodyStiffer	May 19th, 2004 12:35:54 AM
Bush is to Al Qaeda what TOP GUN was for the US NAVY in the 80's! Bush is the perfect recruiter's pitch!
Michael Moore-On is a Liar!! by ironburl	May 19th, 2004 12:48:27 AM
I know this because ther is a website called michaelmooreisabigliar.org and...and i saw another site that said that Sean Hannity is the #1 best person in the whole world and that he tells the most truth and least lies per second of any major fox news pundit!! I don't like wimpy democrats...I like tough actions abroad and at home! I'm fair and balanced about it though...Like my favorite person, Bill O'Rielly...I will let the liberals have their say and then just turn my clear-minded Republican Knowledge and Bible-based morals against

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