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Michael Moore speaks out about the status of FAHRENHEIT 9/11!!!

this post is on his website too, I think. by Tall_Boy	May 10th, 2004 01:34:14 AM
oh ya, and F-disney up its ass and I really wanna see Super Size Me now.
No harm in postponing release until November 15th is there? by Electric Tsunami	May 10th, 2004 02:01:25 AM
After all if this is a movie and not a campaign ad it should be just as timely after the election has occurred. Campaign Finance Reform and all that.
I hate Michael Moore, just as much as I hate all the movies that by Hung-Wei Lo	May 10th, 2004 02:03:40 AM
And I am not a republican. I just hate things in general, mostly people. And I hate you. And I hate my dog. But that's okay, my dog hates me too. Did I mention that I hate the word hate too? Man, I hate this talkback. It makes people talk about hate too much.
Conservatives say what you will by Kagero	May 10th, 2004 02:06:56 AM
This little memo seems to be honest, straightforward, spin-free. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Now let's hear it from the right.
subversion by Electric Tsunami	May 10th, 2004 02:08:10 AM
If Michael Moore really wanted to make a subversive documentary for a Disney subsidiary he would expose the odd dealings at Disney World from their own police force (and the way they alledgely see to it that no one actually "dies" at there) to their civic status that exempts them from all sorts of regulation. The tax incentives are just gravy on top of what Disney already gets (a genuine magic KINGDOM).
Moore. What an asshole. by Gere's AssGerbil	May 10th, 2004 02:10:14 AM
And he's stupid, too. Does he really think Disney wants to risk a major consumer backlash by releasing this film before the election? They might as well just openly endorse John Kerry for president. Whatever Moore says, I don't believe he honestly thought that Disney would put this out right now. The measly 10 million or so this would net at the box office is not worth the headache for them. Despite all this, I am kinda curious to see the movie. The Saudi connection is troubling, but I won't expect a lot of in-depth investigation or truth from a Michael Moore production.
I think Moore is a schmuck, but really... by Junior Frenger	May 10th, 2004 02:15:53 AM
...no one believes for a minute that this thing isn't going to be bought and distributed. No use crying Mike the check will only be a month late.
i've read all of Moore's books, seen all his films, even watched by microwavable?	May 10th, 2004 02:22:43 AM
. . . he IS a pushy bastard who overdramatizes things in writing and on screen. but i love the guy. i imagine most of FARENHEIT 9/11 is drawn from one of his chapters of "Dude, Where's My Country" that connects Bush to the Middle Eastern oil interests. the thing is, that chapter seemed so far-fetched to take seriously. if this movie can produce even an ounce of credibility towards some of those claims, i think he's served his point. of course, EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS that Bush and Cheney have sucked at the teat of oil interests for years, but if this flick puts the face of an enemy onto those interests, it will definitely be explosive. jeez, i hope nobody takes a hit on Moore or something - if this movie is anything like that chapter, it is going to be very, very powerful.
I wish Moore would make up his mind about WHICH lie he's going t by Big Dumb Ape	May 10th, 2004 02:23:02 AM
Let me get this right. FIRST the news breaks that Disney doesn't want to distribute FAHRENHEIT, so Moore races to the media to cry and put on the act of being suprised, saying "This comes as a complete shock to me! I was never under the impression there was a problem! I'm being sandbagged! I'm being censored! Cry for me, America! You should all boo hoo for the fat boy!" BUT THEN -- I believe it was Larry King on CNN -- they exposed Moore in the lie of that statement, digging up an interview that Moore gave more than a YEAR ago where he bragged in print that Disney HAD told him there was no way they would distribute his film. So in other words, he WAS lying through his teeth with his whole act of "I'm being sandbagged and caught off guard!" Problem for Moore was, enough newswires picked up the CNN revelation and so OTHER journalists starting putting the screws to him likewise asking the question, "Hey, yeah! Wait a minute, tubby! How COULD you have been surprised or sandbagged by Disney's decision when YOU talked about it more than a year ago?" Well...now it's time for typical fat ass Moore tactics. NOW that he's been exposed for lying (a trait Moore has down pat), like an NFL running back cutting a corner, suddenly NOW Moore completely changes his story. NOW he admits he WAS told more than a year ago that Disney didn't want to release his film, but he kept filming ANYWAY. Why? Simply because the money kept flowing. However, that most likely DIDN'T come from Disney per se (that is, with their full approval). What it REALLY was was money Disney allocated to Weinstein and Miramax for assorted projects, which Weinstein then funneled into FAHRENHEIT. Why? Most likely to thump his chest like an 800 pound gorilla and to prove yet again that he can be a big power player. And to send a strong message back to the Disney board (and Eisner) that nobody can tell him what to do at Miramax (even though technically Disney IS Miramax's corporate boss and Eisner IS technically Harvey's boss.) So basically what we have here is simple: Disney told Miramax, Weinstein and Moore UP FRONT and more than a YEAR ago to stop...that they wouldn't distribute this film...but Weinstein and Moore being the fucking liberal twats that they are decided they were going to make FAHRENHEIT anyway using Disney's money -- regardless of orders from Eisner. And now that it's fully made (ie. they were able to tap into the money flow they needed to make their Frankenstein monster come alive) NOW they want to get out of the Disney deal to put the movie out (to smear Bush by the elections) even though technically Disney DID pay for it and DOES have ownership over the print. So Weinstein and Moore will pull a fast deal to secure another distributor...then they'll repay Disney...and that will be the end of that. Because Disney served its purpose as far as Moore is concerned -- basically, he stole their money to finance his movie at a time when he needed financing, and now that it's finished he can "repay them." Gee, funny how Moore now admists that he KNEW Disney didn't want to finance this movie or distribute it, but he kept cashing checks passed along by Weinstein ANYWAY. Funny how Mr. Fat Ass -- who's whole big spiel is that people should question things more -- never ONCE questioned where the money was coming from or IF Disney would distribute his film. Instead, as is always the case with Moore, all that mattered in the end was HIM getting his own way. So now we'll end up seeing Moore all over the place saying "Cry for the Fat Boy, Argentina!" and shilling for himself yet again, all while COMPLETELY rewriting history to his own benefit over "how" things got to this point. Man, I REALLY hope Moore eats too large a piece of chicken and just chokes on a bone soon. What a fucking self-serving asshole and waste of protoplasm this utterly fat fuck is...
How is this Censorship? by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 02:34:20 AM
I think the censorship word is being thrown around too much here. This is not the government coming down on Michael Moore and stifiling is right to free speech. This is a measure in capitalism. Let's not forget for a minute that Disney wants to make money. They are a huge corporate empire. It's what they do. Nothing more, nothing less. Now in a country where the right to be a capitalist is just as free as speech, don't you think that Disney has the right to do what is best for their buisness? Or are we going to play class warfare and call Disney the evil rich white men? Maybe they are rich, evil and probably white. But they have just as much right to protect their interest as the local Mom and Pop shop in small town USA. My point is that we live in a free country. Be proud of that. Michael Moore has the right to make a movie bashing Bush. Just like Disney has the right to turn down distrubution. That's not censorship. That's just the American Way. Until Michael Moore gets shut down by the government, he should really have nothing to complain about. This movie will be distributed. How succesful it becomes depends soely on the American people. If you don't like it don't watch it. I probably won't. Is that censorship?
Conservatives are UnAmerican!!!!!!! by thematrixhasyou	May 10th, 2004 02:35:53 AM
Just wanted to remeind all you uppity fascists, uh, I mean conservatives that like to criticise Micheal Moore and liberals in general for being "unAmerican," that this nation was founded by LIBERals who wanted to LIBERate themselves from a monarchy (King George) that violated their God given LIBERty. Remeber that the conservatives all throughout history wanted to conserve the system as it was. They were the ones who at every turn fought progress and to this day continue to fight progress. REMEBER: Conservatives fought against freeing slaves, against extending citizenship to Native Americans, against extending voting rights to women, against labor unions (the people that brought you the weekend), against segrigation, against interracial marriages, against civil rights, and against racial equality. What are they for? Well, lets see: they are for censorship, they are for war (everytime), they are for tax breaks for the rich, they are for praying in schools, they are for amending the constitution to prohibit same sex marriages, they are for cutting down all the trees, they are for smog in the air, they are for eating tainted meat, they are for completely disregarding the our current constitutional amendments in the name of PARTIOTISM, they are letting big businesses have their way, they are for profit and they are for power at any cost. I beleive John Stuart Mill put it best: "While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people . . . it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
I love how bent out of shape Big umb Ape gets by IndustryKiller	May 10th, 2004 02:54:31 AM
Dance for our amusment monkey boy. You realize that your entire post was all assumptions which you talked about as if they were facts, right? Everything you said is completely unsubstantiated unless of course you work for Disney which something tells me you don't.
A Conservative did free the Slaves. by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 03:06:50 AM
Just to set the record strait Mr. thematrixhasyou. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Perhaps you have heard of the term "Lincoln Republican". He delivered a little speech called the Emancipation Eproclimation. The readers digest version was that he abolished slavery. Many years later The Republicans fought to nullify Jim Crow Laws against African Americans. If you want the truth Republicans have been promoting the advancement of minorities for years. Unlike Democrats of past. Anyone know Robert Byrd? The Democratic Senator from West Virginia. He was a former Klansmen. He was part of an organization that was responsible for the murder and terrorization of black folks. Sounds he's real down for the struggle. He's still in Washington, as a senator. The most seinor Liberal member. Or how about Al Gore? The former Vice President? No. Al Gore Sen. Al jr's daddy. He fought long and hard for black people. Well he fought long and hard to keep them segregated. Does the apple fall far from the tree? Probably. But then again. Name one black or hispanic person on the Clinton administration. As a matter of fact, name one black or hispanic member on any Liberal administration's staff. Good luck. You'll be searching for awhile. But look at this current administration. He apointed two of the highest positions in our country to some black folks. Looks racist to me! How about a black Supreme Court Justice? Clarence Thomas. Oh yeah! He was appointed by Bush Sen. A Republican. Wow! Golly! He looks like he just hates black people. Condoleeza Rice, Colon Powell and Justice Thomas are a testament to how far black people have come in this country. The sad part about it is that they were put there by conservatives. Racist, Facist, Conservatives. That must make these fine black Americans Uncle Tom's right? Pandering to the evil hordes of racist, white republicans. I swear people just don't make sense these days.
That's your rebuttle? by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 03:16:21 AM
Shut up? Lincoln was a Republican. You may not like that. I can't help it if you like to use revisionist history. That's too bad for you. But you are right in a way. Republican and Democrats are far different now than in the past. Before social pandering became an issue. Democrats were strong on defence on foreign policy. What happened? Look i'm not here to call people names are to tell them to shut up. Just prove me wrong. Give me facts. If you are right I'll tip my hat. I have an open mind.
You're Right by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 03:18:03 AM
I should proof read my shit before I put it out. Thanks.
hahah nothing like starting some controversy for free advertisin by Jon E Cin	May 10th, 2004 03:23:21 AM
He's no dope!
Hook Or Crook? What the hell does that mean! by Jon E Cin	May 10th, 2004 03:26:28 AM
haha! Disney is so crappy..when will they just go away! Theme parks are so,.,1980! hehe
Moore speaks and the Cons get all worked up.... by TedSallis	May 10th, 2004 03:34:27 AM
And by the way, Lincoln would be AHSAMED at the state of the Grand Ol Party!!! Buncha xenophobic, revisionist fucks that would make Goldwater proud. Keep the masses uniformed and apathetic, and watch the Cons take over.
Damn you're hostile! by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 03:57:13 AM
Let me get something strait. I'm not trying to insult you or call you names. You are telling me to shut up. I just using something that Republican and Democrats still believe I hope. Free Speech. To site facts on democrats when it comes to defense all you would have to do is look at John Kerry's voting record. For the last 15 years he has voted against every upgrade in military advancement. F-22, b1-b and so on. He's voted for every major cut in the military and national intelligence. This is the Democrats golden boy. But he's a war hero. Democrats blocked major defence upgrades in the 1980's. Star Wars and upgrading our severly outdated bomber program. Sudan at first offered Osama to Saudia Arabia. They didn't want him. So they offered him to the US. The Clinton Administation turned Sudan down. This deal was broker to Sandy Berger the National Security Advisor to Clinton. This was the same guy who got Clinton to veto a bill that was designed to cripple Iranian funding of terrorist. I could go on about Jimmy Carter's fantastic skills when negotiating for hostages. Great track record guys. Just a few fact.
Damn you're hostile! by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 03:58:47 AM
Let me get something strait. I'm not trying to insult you or call you names. You are telling me to shut up. I just using something that Republican and Democrats still believe I hope. Free Speech. To site facts on democrats when it comes to defense all you would have to do is look at John Kerry's voting record. For the last 15 years he has voted against every upgrade in military advancement. F-22, b1-b and so on. He's voted for every major cut in the military and national intelligence. This is the Democrats golden boy. But he's a war hero. Democrats blocked major defence upgrades in the 1980's. Star Wars and upgrading our severly outdated bomber program. Sudan at first offered Osama to Saudia Arabia. They didn't want him. So they offered him to the US. The Clinton Administation turned Sudan down. This deal was broker to Sandy Berger the National Security Advisor to Clinton. This was the same guy who got Clinton to veto a bill that was designed to cripple Iranian funding of terrorist. I could go on about Jimmy Carter's fantastic skills when negotiating for hostages. Great track record guys. Just a few fact.
I agree with STOOPID by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 04:16:57 AM
I agree. I am a Republican. I haven't resorted to name calling at all. I don't agree with Michael Moore and I'm free to do that. He's just a guy who looks at things different from me. I don't hate him. I don't care how much he weighs. In fact he can be amusing at times. And for the record, I thought Clinton did a pretty decent job as President. I just thought he was weak in places. I would vote for Clinton a million times before I vote John Kerry. He is just way too far to the left. And really both sides can be real idiots when the go to the extreme left or right. I willing to hear people out and try to understand their point of view on whatever. But the republicans on this board are really making the rest of us look really bad. Name calling is for kids on schoolyards. One more thing. Bush needs to rethink that dumb Medicare bill he passed. It will flop bigger than any other entitlement in years. And the hell is this amnesty crap for illegals? Bush is hardly perfect.
thank you FlyingJ for helping me prove my point by thematrixhasyou	May 10th, 2004 04:21:50 AM
See that's the funny thing about the "two" parties. They both did a complete 180 right around the same time, where the Republican party became conservative and the Democratic party became liberal in the early 1900's, but I'm sure you knew this seeing as how you're one of the rare intelligent conservatives, right? See, I never once said Republicans or Democrats in my talk back. I was merely illustrating the fact that conservative ideologies have always gone against progressive movements. The Clinton administration is a piss poor example of liberal ideology by the way. Clinton allowed for a lot of environmental deregulation, continued the sanctions on Iraq which cost the lives of more than 5,000 civilians a month and over 1.5 million in the last ten years, gutted social welfare programs and accomplished something daddy Bush tried but couldn't do: pass NAFTA. Clinton was in essence the best Republican president we've ever had. We might as well re-name the parties so people know what they really are: the pro-life corporate party and the pro-choice corporate party. As far as Justice Thomas and Condoleeza rice go, sure they are black but they also share the same conservative ideologies as those who appointed them. Call them uncle Tom if you like but I know many a brother who regard them as nothing more then pawns in the pocket of right wing ideology and big business and a disgrace to African Americans all over the country. Rice for example, was a high ranking executive board member for a major oil company prior to her administrative position. She even had an oil tanker named after her. Clarence Thomas has lived a life riddled with irony and contradictions. Although he has opposed racial preference and affirmative action programs, he nonetheless benefited from them. Thomas' nomination itself threw traditional political loyalties into disarray. Liberals, including the NAACP and Congressional Black Caucus, did not know what to do. Their desire to see a black justice on the Supreme Court competed with their disapproval of Thomas' conservative views. In the end, fearing that a black voice will legitimize the arguments of many white conservatives, the liberals sought to block Thomas' nomination. By the way Lincoln was a strong federalist who appeased the blacks in order to recruit them in the fight against the south, who believed in autonomy but greatly relied on slavery because their dependence on agri-business. Ask any U.S. History professor and they will all tell you the same thing: the Civil War was not a war fought to free slaves. At its core was a power struggle of industry vs agriculture & state autonomy vs Federal dominance. Freeing the slaves was merely a side note to Lincoln. Thank you for proving my point that most stupid people are conservative.
I never once said the Civil War was fought to free the slaves. by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 04:32:03 AM
I was just pointing out that a republican did in fact "free" the slaves. If you want to argue that republicans were differnt then fine. And yes the Civil War was fought for what 99.9% of all wars are fought over money. The South was producing raw materials (cotton) and was sending it North. The North would make things out of the raw materials and sell it back to the South at an inflated profit. You don't have to have a PHD to figure out who was getting the short end of the stick. But thank you for giving me a well thought out intelligent response. Even though you think I'm stupid.
MICHAEL MOORE SEEMS TO BE THE CLASSIC BLUE COLLAR MICHIGAN JEW-H by OsamaBinPlayaH8a	May 10th, 2004 04:37:41 AM
Like Tim McVeigh or Terry Nichols. Moore tried several times to launch a pic about the Israelis v. the Palestinians. Guess whose side he'd be on?
Leave Fat Boy Moore Alone by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 10th, 2004 04:42:40 AM
What a sad excuse for Americans some of you people really are. You have a president who stole the last election, troops that murder and torture their prisoners and still manage to smile for the camera, a vice president and defense secretary in bed with Halliburton, and a death toll that keeps on rising. You also currently enjoy massive unemployment, a growing gap between the rich and the poor, the Partiot Act, need I go on? My point, you're President and his colleagues are fucking you twenty different ways sideways and you're all just grinning and bearing it. It is not un-American or un-patriotic to point out the frickin' obvious... you have been lied to and your Commander In Chief wouldn't even piss on you if you were on fire. And still, day after day, I read posts from enraged fanboys of a conservative/republican persuausion. How free are you really?
Ok... by FlyingJ	May 10th, 2004 05:27:17 AM
What would you describe as a defensive weapon? Good intentions? I know. America can take a "please don't hurt us", approach to defense. That is really a weak argument. And don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of war. It scares the shit out of me. But if you vote to downscale our military. You are voting to downscale defense. It's called the Department of Defense, not offense.
You can by Yojimbobo!	May 10th, 2004 06:02:11 AM

Kerry is not an extreme leftist by chien_sale	May 10th, 2004 06:30:24 AM
Quite the opposite, he`s a bland centrist with no charisman. Probably the weakest choice The Democrats could have gotten because he`s not really an alternative. And for that, fuck the primaries. If they would have chosen Clark, there`s no question that Bush would already be dead right now with the recent scandal.
"And Lincoln was still a LIBERAL. So shut up." by Commando Cody	May 10th, 2004 06:46:07 AM
Wow, you KNOW the liberals are reaching and getting desperate when they start co-opting historical Republicans like Lincoln to ridiculously claim, "If you liked Lincoln, then you should be siding with us! Because Lincoln was secretly a liberal! Really, he was!" Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Zoinks!! Jeepers!! by Yojimbobo!	May 10th, 2004 07:19:00 AM
I thought my first post would be in regards to something a little more film oriented and not Moore film oriented but oh no, here we go!! First off, NO company funnels money into a film and then acts fairly casual about pushing it to the side, not for the reasons Disney is giving, especially, not any film done by a recent Oscar winner! Even the staunchest capitalistic hyper-Neoconservative would have to concede that this is unprofitable behavior at the very least. When you consider that the company is a megacoporatemonster such as Disney, the black helicopters have to start warming the old engines up!!!! When you consider that Disney has recently bit the hand that fed them (Pixar) and pissed away 2/3rds of their artistic talent and now throws away a film (breath!) made from one of the few documentary directors whose films actually make money, the black helicopters are lifting off!!!! Now then, throw in the fact that Corporate Monster Inc. sits smack dab in the middle of the state govern by the brother of the man whom the film is about and you
More "Iinstigative Reporting" from Moore... by JAGUART	May 10th, 2004 07:24:21 AM
If he spent as much time as he did being smug as investigating and presenting the facts, he'd actually be a good documentarian. Instead we get his "mockumentary" style where he randomly pokes fun and draws inept conclusions. Where's the Celebrity Deathmatch where he fights Rush Limbaugh?
Lincoln was a liberal by JohnDrake	May 10th, 2004 07:31:57 AM
>"If you liked Lincoln, then you >should be siding with us! >Because Lincoln was secretly a >liberal! Really, he was!" It wasn't secret, it's pretty obvious. The Republicans were the liberal party of the Civil War era, favoring the abolition of slavery and granting free land to settlers in the west. Lincoln was the first Republican president. They passed the amendments outlawing slavery, guaranteeing equal protection under the law, and securing voting rights for blacks. They were also the party that led the drive to grant women the right to vote. During the late 1800's and the first two decades of the 20th century, the Republican Party drifted slowly rightward, becoming the party of largely northeastern corporate interests. The Democrats had a lock on the southeastern US, which resented the Republican Party and its role in starting the Civil War clear through the 1960s, a century later. In spite of its conservative Southern base, the Democratic Party took a hard turn to the left in the teens and twenties, as it began to draw on disaffected immigrant and working class pro-Union voters in the northeast. The reversal of the role of the two parties in the American political landscape was accelerated when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected president in 1932, at the height of the Great Depression, and moved the party far to the left of the Republicans in most regards. With banks closing literally daily and millions unemployed, following decades of speculative investing and financial mismanagement at the hands of the regulation-phobic Republicans, Roosevelt dramatically broadened the government's role in managing the national economy and set up the nation's first substantial public welfare programs in an attempt to manage the crushing poverty caused by the dramatic economic collapse. Roosevelt also moved to enforce some of the Civil Rights legislation that the Republicans had failed to strictly enforce during the last few decades of their rule. He was re-elected to 4 consecutive terms, finally dying in office in April 1945, after having led the country to victory against the fascist Axis powers in World War II. The Republicans remained only marginally successful on the national political landscape until the 1970's, when Richard Nixon finally shook loose the more conservative Southern voters from the Democratic Party by appealing to segregationists and others dissatisfied with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's and the outcome of the Vietnam War. Demographically and politically, the Republican Party of today closely resembles the Democratic Party of the post-Civil War era, with its power concentrated in the south among white religious fundamentalists, while the Democrats more closely resemble the Republicans of the 1860's, with well-educated northeastern (and now northwestern) urban voters, immigrants and minorities making up the bulk of their base.
You want a fucking scintillating opinion? Read this! by Fletch F Fletch	May 10th, 2004 07:44:19 AM
Partisan politics is the most rediculous thing there ever was. It assumes that one side or the other has every right answer for every political question, and you must ally yourself with one side or the other. Don't be Democrat. Don't be Republican. Everyone should vote the goddamned issues.**As for Moore, he's a grandstanding blowhard who has a contingency plan for every action he's ever taken, and if you read his letter above, he admits to siding with partisan politics, i.e., he's just as much a dipshit as anyone else who votes party lines. Look, he's so fucking stupid he wasted his vote on Nader.*********** Now, to the heavy stuff. The abuse allegations in Iraq? Fuck 'em. Kill every last one of the bastards. They coerced a totalitarian regime, they took the lives of American soldiers, they refuse to cooperate. Kill them, and do it on live TV. Live Al-Jazeera TV. This war will eventually drag every nation on the planet into the fray, one way or another, and every nation that opposes the enforcement of democracy should be seen as an ally to despotism. No free nation in the world shold stand up and be counted alongside monarchies, dictatorships, and the most oppressive of all, theocracies. Governing on a religious basis automatically assumes a dearth of civil liberty, and it should be tolerated by no one. Democracy should be enforced in every nation. This is the only way to establish a equilateral global peace. It will be long and bloody in its coming, but lasting peace is never easy.**** So I say this: harbor terrorists, you die. Wage open war against the armies of democracy, you die. Threaten the peace of free nations, you die. The persuit of the eradication of evil should be our Jihad, our holy war, because that's how our enemies will fight us. If we aren't willing to go to the same extremes that they are, we don't stand a chance in the long run. These extremists are willing to fight until the last man until all semblence of western prosperity is eradicated from this Earth. They will not stop unless we stop them, and there is no negociation.******** So, it is with the most sincere and honest inflection that I say this to you who would seek resolution to the Middle East conflicts through peaceful means: Seriously, please wake up to reality or Go. Fuck. Yourself. You see these crazy fuckers running preschoolers into buildings, strapped to C4? Do you think diplomacy can combat that? Or UN resolutions? Economic sanctions? No, dipshit, no. Their ideology, ways of life, and all who follow in that path must be wiped from the surface to completely end this cyle of violence. So go strap in. Reload the howitzers. Put on your flack jacket. Or prepare to die, waving a white flag. They'll kill you just for speaking English.****************** ********wake up************************ ***********
OH PLEASE!!!!!! by FusionAddict	May 10th, 2004 08:20:45 AM
Disney made their fucking decision a YEAR AGO, you fucking BABY...you had a fully YEAR to find another distributor, and had you gotten off of your ass an actually done your legwork, we probably wouldn't even be hearing about this now. You're a fraud and a publicity hound, and you have no business winning Oscars for your rigged and propaganda-filled "crockumentaries". http://www.bowlingfortruth.com
What is everyones agenda here? I mean, I love the way Michael Mo by TheGinger Twit	May 10th, 2004 08:30:43 AM

Why Movie Geeks Should Stick To Geeking About Movies by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 10th, 2004 08:33:47 AM
Hey Fletch F. Fletch, you can't spell you sad liberal baiting c***. It's pursuit not "persuit". It's a shame you weren't standing under th twin towers on 9/11. Osama would've been doing us all a favour.
What do you call an intelligent American? by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 10th, 2004 08:39:07 AM
Canadian. ... And one more thing Fletch F. Fletch. There wouldn't even be a fucking war now if your shit head government hadn't started one in the first place. All you guys had to do was drop some bombs on Afghanistan and to go after the Saudis, but you didn't. Oh no, you had to invade Iraq, a country that had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. And stoopid fucks like you are still convinced that Saddam and the Iraqis had something to do with it. But hey, Iraqis are Muslims too, and they're Arab.. and hey, wait a minute, they're brown too, so let's just kill all of them!
Big Dumb Ape, not an ironic name by Mentok	May 10th, 2004 08:49:53 AM
I love that morons like Big Dumb Ape argue that Moore tells "lies" about what other people say, and then goes on to make up quotes for Moore in his argument. Stand back folks, big brain at work.
Fletch... by gg	May 10th, 2004 09:00:18 AM
Are you for real? Can anyone really be that stupid and outright FASCIST!?!
boo hoo by Gigy	May 10th, 2004 09:19:12 AM
Say what you want about Moore's tactics and credibility but most of ypu people are just throwing around what you think happened or a fucking Larry King quote. If you think anything Larry King says is automatically fact then look at the movies he has given reviews so good they made it to the front of the coverbox: Brining Down the House, Cold Creek Manor and The Recruit. My grandma told me to never trust somebody with shitty taste in movies. Of course Moore is going to milk this Disney thing for all it's worth. He is in the film business and he needs his movies to make as much money as possible to get funding for his next picture.I also can't name anyone who is not in office or work directly with the media having a bigger political impact then Moore. It's like fast food politics in the Moore books and movies. He gets people who normally wouldn't understand or care what's going on to care by making his films entertaining and informative, that alone garners respect in my eyes. Even if he is an asshole, he is far less of an evil then Disney so I would be on Moore's side. Fuck Disney, all they are worried about is money like they don't make enough of it. It's okay because Disney can get all the tax breaks they want, they going downhill. Once they figure out they can't make a decent fucking movie without help from pixar and they run out of rides to turn into movies when Tea Cup: The Movie flops. They will have to survive off all the japanese animation they bought out. Once that drys up hopefully I won't have to see an add for a stupid fucking Disney movie ever again. Moore may be an asshole but Disney is business scum at the scummiest. Fuck Them.
F. Fletch - A Model American by theoneofblood	May 10th, 2004 09:46:42 AM
Jesus H. Christ, I didn't think these kind of people existed in the Western World anymore! Well I sure was a dope. Interestingly, if you just interchange his words "free society" and "democracy" with "Islam", he could be a great representative for Osama. This kind of blatant hatred and disgusting attitude towards "the other" is something I find offensive to the Nth degree. Do realise how fucked up your proposal sounds? Giving people freedom and choice at the point of a gun doesn't work, as a concept in itself it is monumentally screwed up. Admit it Fletch, every time you see an Arabic man walking down the street, you want to kill him, don't you? Because he's so EVIL! They're all terrorist assholes! By the by, your plan also falls down at one critical point... we'd all die. Try and force democracy onto every dictatorship/monarchy(jeepers! there goes all of Europe!)/theocracy in the world and not only would you exhaust your military, you'd also be obliged to go after the largest dictatorship in the world... China. Say goodbye to humanity and welcome to World War 3.
F. Fletch - A Model American by theoneofblood	May 10th, 2004 09:47:20 AM
Jesus H. Christ, I didn't think these kind of people existed in the Western World anymore! Well I sure was a dope. Interestingly, if you just interchange his words "free society" and "democracy" with "Islam", he could be a great representative for Osama. This kind of blatant hatred and disgusting attitude towards "the other" is something I find offensive to the Nth degree. Do realise how fucked up your proposal sounds? Giving people freedom and choice at the point of a gun doesn't work, as a concept in itself it is monumentally screwed up. Admit it Fletch, every time you see an Arabic man walking down the street, you want to kill him, don't you? Because he's so EVIL! They're all terrorist assholes! By the by, your plan also falls down at one critical point... we'd all die. Try and force democracy onto every dictatorship/monarchy(jeepers! there goes all of Europe!)/theocracy in the world and not only would you exhaust your military, you'd also be obliged to go after the largest dictatorship in the world... China. Say goodbye to humanity and welcome to World War 3.
F. Fletch - A Model American by theoneofblood	May 10th, 2004 09:48:46 AM
Jesus H. Christ, I didn't think these kind of people existed in the Western World anymore! Well I sure was a dope. Interestingly, if you just interchange his words "free society" and "democracy" with "Islam", he could be a great representative for Osama. This kind of blatant hatred and disgusting attitude towards "the other" is something I find offensive to the Nth degree. Do realise how fucked up your proposal sounds? Giving people freedom and choice at the point of a gun doesn't work, as a concept in itself it is monumentally screwed up. Admit it Fletch, every time you see an Arabic man walking down the street, you want to kill him, don't you? Because he's so EVIL! They're all terrorist assholes! By the by, your plan also falls down at one critical point... we'd all die. Try and force democracy onto every dictatorship/monarchy(jeepers! there goes all of Europe!)/theocracy in the world and not only would you exhaust your military, you'd also be obliged to go after the largest dictatorship in the world... China. Say goodbye to humanity and welcome to World War 3.
Hey Harry, if you want to see real censorship.... by Alex Rogan	May 10th, 2004 10:35:29 AM
...then just go tell all your Hollywood buddies you fully support President Bush. You'll find the blacklist is alive and well then.
It Ain't Kansas Dorothy by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 10th, 2004 11:04:44 AM
Alex Rogan Subject: Hey Harry, if you want to see real censorship.... Comment: ...then just go tell all your Hollywood buddies you fully support President Bush. You'll find the blacklist is alive and well then. Yeah, that's right. The evil-doing liberal media bias bad-guys. Oh woh the poor-old media starved conservatives! They don't have a media outlet, boo-hoo! Where are they to turn for unbiased topical reporting? Why don't you try FOX or one of the thousand or so Clear Channel owned radio stations? How about tuning into Rush Limbaugh or even Crossfire on CNN. And don't forget you can always read the New York Post, Boston Globe and USA Today. They'll tell you what you want to hear, "Blacks still have to sit at the back of the bus, Hollywood is full of Commies and the Honeymooners is still the number one TV show". You happy now? Now go and paint your white picket fence.
It Ain't Kansas Dorothy by JUDAS'S PRIEST	May 10th, 2004 11:05:27 AM
Alex Rogan Subject: Hey Harry, if you want to see real censorship.... Comment: ...then just go tell all your Hollywood buddies you fully support President Bush. You'll find the blacklist is alive and well then. Yeah, that's right. The evil-doing liberal media bias bad-guys. Oh woh the poor-old media starved conservatives! They don't have a media outlet, boo-hoo! Where are they to turn for unbiased topical reporting? Why don't you try FOX or one of the thousand or so Clear Channel owned radio stations? How about tuning into Rush Limbaugh or even Crossfire on CNN. And don't forget you can always read the New York Post, Boston Globe and USA Today. They'll tell you what you want to hear, "Blacks still have to sit at the back of the bus, Hollywood is full of Commies and the Honeymooners is still the number one TV show". You happy now? Now go and paint your white picket fence.
cheap shots at Moore's weight. Check. homosexual fantasies about by SHIVA	May 10th, 2004 11:49:37 AM

The Civil War was fought for one reason people...STATES RIGHTS! by TedSallis	May 10th, 2004 01:27:39 PM
And the Cons have tried to spin it ever since that it was all about Civil Rights...The Republican Party doesnt resemble even CLOSELY what Eisenhauer's Party was....It's a piece of shit organization that's destined for the grave.
What's with all the arguments over who freed the slaves? by 007-11	May 10th, 2004 02:36:17 PM
Sure Lincoln did, and i'm pretty sure he was a republican. Good for you republicans, you freed the slaves. But democrats gave them dignity. We're the ones that voted for civil rights, not you. So everyone just shut up about it.
Dear Fletch F. Fletch..It sounds like the terrorists have alrad by TedSallis	May 10th, 2004 02:54:31 PM
.....And you will inherit a sad and charred Earth. Don't confuse an everlasting peace with an everlasting war. Every empire in world history has made the same mistake.
Wydok speaks out about the status of FAHRENHEIT 9/11!!! speaks o by Wydok	May 10th, 2004 05:44:03 PM
Fuck you, Moore, you lying hack. Bowling for Columbine was a piece of shit, wasn't funny, and wasn't true. You don't deserve to have any more movies distributed.
Disney won't even give me money for my movie, Michael. Are they by beaoure	May 10th, 2004 07:03:28 PM
Data-distorting, spin-doctoring jackass.
Jeb Bush does not control Florida's tax breaks by Maximum Carnage	May 10th, 2004 07:32:10 PM
The whole argument about Eisner not wanting to endanger Disney's tax breaks makes absolutely no sense. Taxes are controlled by the Florida Legislature, not the governor!
I THINK WE HAVE SOME REPUBLICAN SPOOKS ON THIS BOARD! by TedSallis	May 10th, 2004 07:35:05 PM
C'mon fellas, stick to the news site message boards..
Political garbage from Moore by consordia	May 10th, 2004 07:35:13 PM
As usual, when he doesn't get his way, it is the awful government and corporations that are at fault. That sort of paranoia should be treated by a good therapist. The funny part is that some people take his bs seriously.
7-11...read some history by consordia	May 10th, 2004 07:38:36 PM
Actually the act had more Reps than Dems voting for it. Sorry to burst that myth.
Give me a break, this is generating TONS of publicity for his cr by spooksmcgee	May 10th, 2004 08:02:09 PM
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Judas by 900LBGorilla	May 10th, 2004 08:05:19 PM
Good name for ya- What do you call a Canadian without America to protect her- A Conservative. Easy for you whiners to live in fantasyland due to the graces of our protection. Without the US below you Russia would have gobbled you pansies up decades ago- And then you'd sound like most other eastern -european countries who had a little reality check on the consequences of not dealing with evil dictators (Go check how THEY felt about this war- before those arrogant asswipes from France told them to shut up because they were in too tender a position in their EU applications to have an opinion that differed from "Frances"-talk about facsist attitudes ). ======= ----You gals REALLY make me laugh- go study how REAL wars haappen (Like WWII) - You can thank the liberals in England's government for that one- But oh well 30 million or so dead a little holocaust for the lack of balls to act before a situation is in full crisis never hurt anyone right? What a bunch of buffoons--
Big Dumb ape- Proven Smarter than all the liberals on this site by 900LBGorilla	May 10th, 2004 08:07:41 PM
And incidentally I LOVE how all you liberal MENTAL MIDGETS wrote off Big Dumb Ape's post when you CAN'T REFUTE ANYTHING IN DUMB APE'S MAIN POINT: (Take notes, his whole WHOLE THESIS was that MOORE KNEW DISNEYS position for a year- THEY CAUGHT HIM ADMITTING AS MUCH ON TAPE A FUCKING YEAR AGO- and he changed his tune AFTER that was pulled out of the archives into - "well Mirimax still financed it, so I thought I was OK" Well unfortunatley dumbass (Moore) you NEVER heard that from the REAL BOSS - DISNEY- in fact the ONLY thing you had to go on directly form them was that they were pissed and said they would NEVER DISTRIBUTE this. So Moore then ASS-umes because Mirimax is fighting their bosses and continues to produce that he's "OK" for Distribution. WOW With those powers of perception its no wonder Moore makes movies with the silly views he does. ---- And with all the "what a genious comments regarding dumb ape from dumb liberals who AREN'T EVEN SMART ENOUGH to realize that they refuted NOTHING he said. LOL What a bunch of fools- Nothing is funnier than someone tooting thier own horn while not realizing they lost the argument- at least have the intelligence to know when you have no counterpoint.
Reference- Still Reference-LESS by 900LBGorilla	May 10th, 2004 08:11:44 PM
>>>>>> ---- WOW Glad you were there to see Rumsfeld give those orders- or are you just fuill o' shit? -- Actually given that the military announced this IN JANUARY (Including the dicipline process beginning) I'll go with the facts and say yer full o' shit. ----THEY DID? Is that why they reported it IN JANUARY??? Do you EVER have a valid point?
Enough yammering. The bottom line is... by heywood jablomie	May 10th, 2004 08:17:13 PM
487 companies would vie to distribute this movie. Moore doesn't need Disney. In fact, the movie all around would be better off elsewhere. And no doubt, in about five seconds, it'll get picked up by someone else.
DAMN YOU MAXIMUM CARNAGE by 900LBGorilla	May 10th, 2004 08:30:00 PM
--- DON'T TAKE AWAY THE LIBERALS FANTASIES YOU JERK!!! Let them continue to live in fatasyland- when you bring up facts like this you ruin their "Michael Moore induced" beautiful dream-worlds. (Im sure that comment will get like 20 liberal back lashes callig you and I idiots without ever adressing the small detail that your point is a FACT and they CAN'T REFUTE IT (If I've learned 1 thing, however, its that liberals on this site don't like it when facts get in the way of their agendas - so they IGNORE them and call you an idiot- it would almost be funny if it weren't so damn sad ... (sad like the clown shoes most of them apparently are) -------- AND DO NOT Tell them they are morons if they think Disney is guilty of *CENSURSHIP*! (Forget that DIsney CANNOT CENSURE Moore- they aren't in control of what he does in ANY WAY. All they can do is refuse to distribute his 1/10th fact 9/10th myth propaganda- which I guess IS Censurship if you are a facist (CAUSE ONLY FACISM FORCES PUBLIC companies to Release pre-election PROPAGANDA that could be bad for THier business against THIER business and against THIER will). --------- Moore's basic stance = If DIsney won't distibute HIS PROPAGANDA even though they SAID A YEAR AGO THEY WOULDN'T, then they ARE CENSURING HIM!!! Moore basically = a closet FACIST - Goof lord IT'S BEAUTIFUL!
Im Australian, and I think Moore's great, but apparently you guy by Mennon	May 10th, 2004 08:42:52 PM
Someone needs to show the other side
"Lack of" Reference by 900LBGorilla	May 10th, 2004 08:47:55 PM
"Great so, the red cross says abuse was broad based." - DEFINE Abuse - I am sure they were being interrogated in a less than nice manner and that would be "Abuse" to the red cross. What do they base that term on? Abuse in the pictures goes beyond interrogation tactics- so they Red coss opinion proved nothing. (Unless they defined it further which they have not by your post). ======== THe MAIN POINT however (and REAL proof you are full of shit (yet again) is that YOU SAID "it was systemic torture as encouraged and supervised by military intelligence under guidelines dictated by Rumsfeld himself" - YOU THEN "PROVE" this with a red cross quote that (surprise) DOES NOT MENTION RUMSFELD- *What is your PROOF to back up your bullshit accusation (10-1 you have none as usual) come on I cahlelgnge you BACK UP your bulshit comment about Rumsfeld or admit you are full of shit.* ===================
When Did This Become A Michael Moore Site by Starbuck1975	May 10th, 2004 08:50:27 PM
Harry we all know you are blind to the limited partisan viewpoint of the left, just as many who criticize Bush supporters accuse them of being equally blind and partisan. Neither the left nor the right really has a clue, and Michael Moore has emerged as the left's answer to Rush and Fox News. There are many very well documented websites that pick apart Bowling for Columbine as the fabricated fairy tale of a documentary that it is. Similarly, this Disney controversy is nothing more then Michael Moore trying to wrap himself in the role of martyr. Moore was well aware that Disney had no intention of distributing his film, and as a privately held and owned company, they have every right to that decision. I am sure Moore will have no problems distributing his film, and this is nothing more then a sound byte to attract attention to his film. I havent seen it yet, I have no intention of seeing it, and I find Moore's opinions and worldview to be no better then that of the NEOCONS. Harry, you are no better then the NEOCONS for buying into Moore's crap. You are just another mindless drone in the machine, spouting partisan rhetoric without any clear understanding or credibility to speak to any political issues. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but those of us who actually take the time to research these issues and stay informed on the state of our nation have little patience or need for people like you...the emotional, knee jerk reaction, self righteous liberal minority.
Kerry is not a centrist, and Nixon should not be a conservative by Aetius450	May 10th, 2004 09:03:02 PM
Senator John Kerry is not a centrist. His long voting record and stated views are plenty to establish that he is left of center, especially on social issues. As for Nixon; It was during his administration that what has become racial preferences (or aff action if you prefer the euphemism)were first put into place. So liberals should like him for at least that, and conservatives should hold that against him. Also, he did eventually pull the US out of Vietnam after Johnson got us stuck there.
I don't read Ann Coulter by 007-11	May 10th, 2004 10:05:10 PM
I've been taught by republican and democratic history teachers, they have all read additional books to throw in more information than the textbook offers. All have stated as fact that democrats supported the civil rights issue heavily over republicans. Like Strom Thurmond, who holds the record for longest filibuster in the senate when he pushed to bury the civil rights bill and succeded. You've heard of the "Solid South" right? Well up till recently the entire South consistently voted democrat because the radical republicans pushed to get the South broken up into military districts after the Civil War. Naturally this pissed the South off and caused them to vote solidly democrat. The KKK managed to crawl their way into positions of power and instituted the "Jim Crow" laws all under the guise of being democrats for the reasons listed above. Only recently have people let their leanings influence their party identity. So forget all this republican/democrat crap. Let's focus on liberals and conservatives, it keeps things much more clean cut.
Bush by WoodyStiffer	May 10th, 2004 10:20:21 PM
People hope that Moore's film shows them that Bush is involved with the SAUDIS? Jesus, the Bush family's been connected to the Saudi's for decades. Do a simple internet search and read about it you retards.
Stupid Conservatives by WoodyStiffer	May 10th, 2004 10:24:09 PM
I suppose Big Dumbass Ape and his ilk would rather watch their freedoms erode under four more years of Bush and his cronies - you conservatives are such mental fucking midgets. If the lot of you are billionaires I could see your support for Dumbya, but seeing that you most likely aren't - how could you be so fucking stupid?
Iraq, al-qaeda & wmds oh-my!!! by koosbane	May 10th, 2004 10:29:01 PM
something interesting that isn't getting much play in the media. http://frontpagemag.com/Articl es/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13282 As for Moore's honesty, having seen "Bowling for Columbine" I can say there is an obious untruth in the film that doesn't require hunting through newspaper or internet articles ad infinitum... part of Moore's thesis is that the media in the U.S. is scaring the population with scary stories (gang violence, school violence, shark attacks and killer bees!!!) Moore states that the killer bees never made it to the states, that it was all media hype and then 5 minutes later (give or take), he shows a news broadcast of a woman whose house had a large killer bee nest attached to the attic vent and bees swarming all over the wall.
007-11 by WoodyStiffer	May 10th, 2004 10:34:01 PM
You want an insight into how psychotic conservative wackos are? How about Strom Thurmond, whom you mentioned? This is a guy who fathered a daughter with a black woman, supported his mixed-race daughter for decades, and yet still supported segregation until the end! Completely unbelievable! The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds. I also love how Conservatives hype up the fact that Kerry pushed for defense cuts - and well he should have. There is SO MUCH waste in our defense budgets you could easily pare it back and give Americans health care. It's like dealing with NRA nuts - putting simple controls on guns doesn't mean they'll have their precious AR-15's with grenade launchers taken away from them, any more than prudent defense cuts wouldn't weaken America. Hell, when I was younger I worked on one of the bases that was closed under Clinton, and it was a good closure. The base really had no use and was another example of wasted military money. Another thing, try using your non-existant brains and examine WHY Kerry voted against certain issues. When Bush, in a move of utter lunacy, decided NOT to fund his illegal Iraq war out of his Billionaire-club tax cut, as they first promised, Kerry reversed his position and voted against it. You retards need to start reading viable news sources and quit having your opinions fed to you by Rush Limbaugh and his like. Dumbshits.
Dear 007-11 by MoshMasterD	May 10th, 2004 10:41:05 PM
Just like your life, you're wrong.
WoodyStiffer is wrong as well!!!! by MoshMasterD	May 10th, 2004 10:55:24 PM
Strom Thirmond started as a democrat, and like Pat Buchannon in republican party, he went for his party's nomination for president. He didn't get it so he switched parties to the DIXIECRAT party in the general election. Dixiecrats are extremely into segregation. Not surprisingly, he never got it. He switched to the republican party in the 70s, and PUBLICLY denounced his past politics. If you have a problem with Bush and what he did for our military, don't speak, vote, hide behind an anti war sign. Send a message and show some balls for a change, something the libs lack.
wait...Conservative is bad??? by Kem	May 10th, 2004 11:06:57 PM
I have never seen such vile hatred for a political ideology being spewed forth as on this MOVIE website! I have already GENTLY put forth my opinion of M Moore on othe talkbacks...nestled between the bile filled rants against Conservatives...I must have missed something in all my poli-sci and history classes about Conservatives being evil, racist, blah blah. Last time I looked, ignorance knew no political affiliation..and I sure see a lot of ignorant self righteous diatribes around here. Here is my simple sugestion: Stick to discussions about movies. Leave politics to politicians where it belongs. Please.
Michael Eisner by Bootskin	May 10th, 2004 11:22:52 PM
I know Michael Eisener's son, and he's pretty cool. Too bad his Dad is such an asshole..... Im getting really tired of all this Bush money/influence fucking up my rights to see/hear/experience whatever the hell I want to. Goddam right wing bastards.... Leave Howard Stern alone, and Let Michael Moore spread whatever the hell he wants to. This from a company who let a humanoid duck run around without pants for 60 years.....
Kem, this is where politics has taken us.. by Bootskin	May 10th, 2004 11:24:06 PM

You can Always count on a Mike Moore thread to get the Right win by TallScott	May 10th, 2004 11:27:49 PM
First of all I CANT STAND the people who call Moore the Left's Limbuagh and act like they are on nobodys side while trashing Libs and Dems. A typical O'Reilly move. Give it up, no one is buying your crap. Moore is not the Lefts Limbuagh..There is no one like Limbaugh who will say that the brutal inhumane things done to the prisoners were akin to frat Hazing. Its funny how these Right Wingers spout about how they love America and how the libs and Dems are un-american then take a big shit on just about every right that makes America great. Moore hit it right on the head by saying that they wont distibute his film by saying its too politcal BUT Disney owned stations will carry Limbuagh, Hannity, Savage Etc etc..Intersting. Hey Right Wingers if you dont like the truth then DONT go see the movie, Dont read the news, and DONT come to this site where the people who run it agree with Moore. Just watch FOX news and feel good about acting like an asshole..
Kem, this is where politics have taken us... by Bootskin	May 10th, 2004 11:29:13 PM
Sorry for the double post guys. Kem, in reference to your remark about leaving politics to the politicians, if they'd leave the entertainment to the entertainers, and our rights to us, a lot of us on this website could just go on listeninig/watching whatever we want and discuss it here. But we can't because conservative idiots are poking their noses in our homes, into our radios, and our TV's to tell US what we should and shouldn't listen to, or watch. Oil money has my favorite morning DJ off in 6 markets, and is threatening to water down my favorite Cable TV shows, so I will forget that our country is at war with another country, FOR NO REAL REASON!!!! Sure, weapons of mass destruction. Right. Where? Maybe they're hiding in a hole out in the desert near where they found Saddam. Supposedly the most dangerous man in the world, and he's playing gopher.... Anyone hear about North Korea, or Afghanistan lately?
Y'know what REALLY hacks me off? by Bootskin	May 10th, 2004 11:31:39 PM

What moore did to Charlton Heston was NOT cool by Rcamacho2278	May 10th, 2004 11:46:34 PM
that fucker focussed on the wrong things in his mockumentary Bowling for columbine. Elephant showed those dumn shit parents didn't know their kids were fucken retards with evil fantasy's. Instead this fucken fat turd goes to heston's house pretends he's cool with him and then blames HIM for shit. moore is a conservative asshole.
Let's see how much Moore likes socialized health care when by welb25	May 10th, 2004 11:52:16 PM
Let's see how much Moore likes socialized health care when he and Harry have to wait for about a year to get their quadruple bypasses when they need them, and they will need them.
Kem by WoodyStiffer	May 10th, 2004 11:54:34 PM
WOW - your Poly/Sci background is indeed impressive. If you're looking for hate filled rants - well, conservatives/Republicans invented them. During the last 12 years they've made it an art form - armed with misinformation and backed by right wing sycophants like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc. Have you had your head in the fucking sand? Democrats/Liberals are starting to shout because we've had enough of your conservative shit. You fucks are indeed the psychotic minority and we're NOW SHOUTING BACK. We've had enough, and it's time for the majority to take back the country and start reinstating the rights that you conservatives claim that you hold so dear while Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft (your idols) seek to take them away. We've had enough of your facist PATRIOT act and every other fucking freedom-restricting law you idiots want to put into place. Corporate America can only control the political landscape for so long before the sleeping majority wakes up and cries ENOUGH ALREADY!
Welb by WoodyStiffer	May 10th, 2004 11:56:54 PM
Hey Moron, does Blue Cross pay for your lifestyle, or do you work for the assholes? Socialized health care is NOT that extreme. People in the UK and Canada don't wait years for operations. You fucking morons who want to would still have the option to pay for private health care like the retards you are. The rest of us would enjoy the benefits of the taxes we pay - and, trust me, we'd be more than happy with the health care we'd receive.
RCamacho by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 12:01:22 AM
Yet again you show your stupidity. What Moore did to Heston wasn't cool?! Why? Because he's an old, geriatric piece of shit? Oooh, poor Charlton Heston, he who's lived a life of luxury. Hey brain surgeon, how about the parents of the kids who were slaughtered in Columbine who had to, ONLY A WEEK AFTER THEIR CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY PSYCHOTIC TEENS WITH SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, watch Heston and his NRA psychophants come into Colorado and wave their guns around? Personally, I think the parents with dead children deserve more pity. I guess you side with the deluded old millionaire!
Woody by welb25	May 11th, 2004 12:13:17 AM
No, Blue Cross does not pay for my lifestyle, I do. I also pay for my own health care and am happy to do so. I won't trust my health to 3rd rate care just to take advantage of a handout. However, I don't think that will really be an issue because we are very unlikely to see socialized health care in the U.S.
I hope this movie helps get Numbnuts thrown out of office. If Bu by Bill Maher	May 11th, 2004 12:14:37 AM
Remember when some internet wiseguy did a mock commercial likening Bush's policies and methods to those of Hitler and other fascists? The right-wing mouth-breathers got all trembly with phony outrage and whined as they choked back the crocodile tears: "How DARE they liken Bush to Hitler!". I thought they protested too much then and the Iraqi Prison Gang Bang (and the Right's reaction to it) has proved me right. The only big differences between Hitler and Bush (aside from the use of cyanide gas) are that Hitler was ELECTED to office and Bush wasn't; and that Hitler served bravely in his generation's war while Dubya was a total fucking coward who didn't have the balls to show up for REMF duty in the National Guard. I hope Kerry makes the most of this election, it might be the last one our nation sees -unless Bush's henchmen have removed the rest of the black voters from the rolls in key states. Even if Kerry wins, I won't be satisfied. Nothing short of locking up Dubya and his Bush league junta in the Guantanamo kennels will be justice enough. I just want to be sure his fellow "unlawful combatants" are given enough chemical lights to shove up the Republicans' asses. And I hope when Rush Lardass gets locked up for dope-dealing and is about to get cornholed by a fellow inmate, when he starts crying "But I don't want to take it in the ass! That's Sean Hannity's position!" his cellmate says "It's just a fraternity prank. Besides, REMEMBER 9/11! Now pick up that goddamned soap before I give you the whole fist, BITCH!" Maybe if a few Republicans were killed in prison, tortured and ass-raped (not necessarily in that order), they'd feel the prick of conscience -or at least the schlong of a few bikers. Actually, no. These people are fucking psychopaths.
This movie could get Bush out of office by welb25	May 11th, 2004 12:18:02 AM
If it ever finds a distributor.
Welb by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 12:26:46 AM
And that would be a sad thing. Growing up as a military dependent, I saw up close what "socialized health care" which is basically what the military gets - would get you. You know what halfwit? It's fine. The dental, medical, and vision are all perfectly fine. You need to stop listening to the thinly veiled rants of politicians who are funded by health care lobbyists. General health care does not equal poor health care. You know what? I pay for my own health insurance too - and it's sheer stupidity. For the amount of taxes we pay (those of us who aren't billionaires - meaning we actually pay taxes), paying for private health care is sheer stupidity. And I disagree, people will wake up and you will see general health care in this lifetime. People will soon start to realize that we're one of the FEW advanced nations that doesn't have universal health care. That embarassing fact alone should light a fire under the ass of many congressmen/women.
Woody why don't you get off my DICK by Rcamacho2278	May 11th, 2004 12:27:55 AM
you have been on my dick for the longest, emailing me bullshit like your fucken in love with me you piece of shit, You always gotta respond to some fucken thing I say and call me some name or some kinda fucken crack about ignorance or intelligence, as if nobody can have a fucken opinion except you , you dumb dipshit, Fuck moore, I still say yes what he did to charlton heston was wrong, if everyone in that school had fucken guns, I bet those kids woulda thought twice about shooting up the place, at least those kids woulda had a fighting chance, You fucken people wanna get on the fact that guns were used to murder those kids in columbine and so Heston was wrong to parade around expressing his constitutional right, because him promoting the very thing that killed those kids was insensitive. Yet many of these damn hipocrites are the people who walk around with crosses around their neck in rememberence of Jesus Christ who died on a cross. How different is that? Would jesus want to be remembered by the way he fucken died? You carrying around his murder weapon around your neck like some kinda fucken fool? so yeah, those conservatives who got mad at heston for promoting guns are once again blaming it on the wrong thing, they should have attacked the parents, The parenting of these people. Back in the days the parents were responsible if their kids did stupid shit, and what are the parents of those kids doing now? who is questioning how those kids are raised, what responsibility did THOSE people take ? fuck you woody you piece of shit
Dick Hertz by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 12:36:23 AM
Hey dude, you know the funny thing about Rush? He's always called for "no leniency for drug users/abusers". However, I'm sure we'll see his fat ass spending every penny he has to stay out of jail - and trying to use some loophole to avoid jailtime. The fucking hypocrite!!! Just a typical fucking conservative - when it comes to them, they're all a bunch of hypocrites. I'm curious to see how his deluded fucking fans still support him after he completely subverts his own well-publicized "code of ethics". My favorite new Rush quote was that fucking fatass trying to claim that many Iraqis wouldn't hate the sight of the US torturing Iraqi prisoners because of what they endured under Hussein. That fat fuck is so deluded - he must still be high on whatever new drug he's abusing this week.
A primer on liberalism and conservatism for haters.... by alchemist	May 11th, 2004 12:42:29 AM
CONSERVATIVE- Someone who wants to CONSERVE political policies. Has a strong belief that the way things are being done is the best way, and they want to save it. LIBERALS- Think that our political policies are sometimes flawed, and some LIBERTIES should be taken in updating them for the greater good. Clearly, saying "conservatives did such and such" and "liberals did this" is moronic. It is not an idea, it is a stance. You can be conservative on one issue and liberal on the next. Personally I think the latter is a stronger stance, but that's my opinion. I believe that things constantly need to be re-evaluated and we don't always already know what's best.... Keep that in mind. Not everyone needs to be put in "camps" here....
Woody by welb25	May 11th, 2004 12:44:34 AM
Are you feeling ok? It seems you just start in with name-calling for no reason. Just looking at the last few posts you have called me, Kem, and RCamacho names because we said something you didn't like. You did this in reply to posts that didn't even mention you at all. You shouldn't let the things people say get to you as much you do.
RCamacho by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 12:46:02 AM
Hey fucknuts - let's get one thing straight - I've never cared about your grammitically-challenged posts enough to email you. I always whoop your ass right here in this forum. If you're still deluded enough to side with Heston, fine. I think it's telling to everyone that you'd side with some deluded fuck from Malibu over a bunch of parents, with no political agenda, who simply had their flesh and blood gunned down. Now, after their kids were gunned down, the deluded fuckhead Heston and his NRA cohorts used this TO ADVANCE THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA. Are you too brain dead to understand this? Heston used dead kids to advance his stupid, self-serving agenda. And you're so goddamn deluded that you're decrying the fact that Michael Moore embarrassed him? How out of touch are you, you fuckwit? Morons are always hard to convince, so imagine this - your Mom and Dad are gunned down in cold blood, and this event receives national attention. The following week some NRA fuckheads come into town to defend their right to own fully automatic weapons, bazookas or whatever retarded shit they think they need in everyday life - now how would you feel? Well, this is how those parents feel. Think about that before you feel sorry for Chuck. His dumb ass got everything he deserved - in fact, he probably deserved much more.
Bushworld by TheGinger Twit	May 11th, 2004 12:53:38 AM
It's their reality. We just live and die in it. In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home. In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror. In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power. In Bushworld, we can win over Falluja by bulldozing it. In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis can express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down. In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you're insisting you're not planning. In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes. In Bushworld, it's O.K. to run for re-election as the avenger of 9/11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from. In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations. In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity. In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about Al Qaeda's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush. In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized. In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America. In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day. In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections. In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away. In Bushworld, the C.I.A. says it can't find out whether there are W.M.D. in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are W.M.D. In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft. In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists. In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war. In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9/11 commission like the Olsen twins. In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements. In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops. In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information. In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack" as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld
God Bless you Kerr Avon by AllmightyTallest	May 11th, 2004 12:59:31 AM
To all of the talkbackers in Europe, Canada, Australia, and elsewhere, I know what I'm about to say is probably going to go over like a lead balloon, but please do not let the actions of a few people dictate your opinion about people in the U.S. Not all of us are fat, stupid, violent, imperialist war mongers. Just as not all French people are cowards, not all British people have bad teeth, not all Irish people are alcoholics, not all Australians are like Crocodile Dundee or the Crocodile Hunter, and so on and so forth. Enough with the stereotypes. In the nearly four years I've been visiting this site I never thought that I would want to read about people arguing about "LOTR" vs. "Star Wars", "The Matrix" movies, Tarantino, or whatever people go on about on this site on a daily basis. But after visiting this site for the past few weeks... I'm tired of seeing my country being ran through the ground also. As for the Moore film, I'm probably going to see it just because I'm interested in what he has to say. Now if you excuse me I'm going to rent Errol Morris' "The Fog Of War" and sink into a deeper depression about the state of my country. Flame on.
Thank you, alchemist... by AllmightyTallest	May 11th, 2004 01:03:23 AM
You've just summed up the way I feel.
HUMILIATION is a reasonable tactic against 'holy warriors' of ha by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 01:37:06 AM
You know, with the whole Iraqi and Arab prisoner 'humiliation' debacle..... For one thing, these 'holy warriors' WANT TO DIE. Death is a glorious reward and they would love nothing more than to be killed by the 'enemy'. The only thing they care about is honor, so the only thing that is going to work on them is to humiliate them. THAT IS THE ONLY THING that will work on them. Torture won't work, even threat of death won't work, so the only thing that will work is HUMILIATION. The Military knows this and I wouldn't be surprised if the orders for it came from very high up. They are fucking prisoners of war, they may have information that bring the war a quicker end, and if Humiliation is the only thing that works, then by all means DO IT! They aren't being killed or tortured, so the geneva convention can rest. My hell, you people just want to keep this war going forever by all your bullshit 'play nice in combat' propaganda.....
whoever thinks the treatment of Iraqi prisoners is a good idea n by Tall_Boy	May 11th, 2004 01:48:15 AM
fuckin psychopaths.
GEORGE W BUSH IS A COCKSUCKER by Darth Philbin	May 11th, 2004 02:01:33 AM
...and although he doesn't swallow, he does love to take the money shot right in his beady little eyes. I bet he beats off to the "unblurred" pictures of Iraqi prisoner dicks. In any case, everytime I blow a load on his forehead, he screams out MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Testicle Tom by theoneofblood	May 11th, 2004 02:22:43 AM
I'm afraid that your entire post was based on bullshit racial-profiling, false assumptions and incredibley stupid logic. "HUMILIATION is a reasonable tactic against 'holy warriors' of hate" - Ok, this is retarded for several key reasons. 1) The Iraqi prisoners are not all psychopathic terrorists, you're thinking of Al-Queda, totally different organisation, nothing to do with Iraq. 2) Yeah... um, I don't know about you, but I'd put rape, beating, being sodomised with chemical lights and being forced to perform sexual acts with other inmates as a form of torture. I'd like to see how you'd handle it. The other issue you raised concerned how "They are fucking prisoners of war, they may have information that bring the war a quicker end". Really? They do? What is that? I'd like to know how a bunch of low-ranking soldiers and civilians could possibly assist us in ending the war faster. "They aren't being killed or tortured, so the geneva convention can rest." - Um, have you actually ever even looked at the Geneva Convention? There's really no point me arguing with this, as it's pretty evident you don't know jack about this document. "My hell, you people just want to keep this war going forever" - Yep, that's it, you've discovered our evil Liberal agenda! Kill more Americans! Rape Republican women! Defacate all over our proud nation! As a Liberal, I've just come up with the perfect plan to keep this war going forever! What we'll do is horribly violate the human rights of some Islamic prisoners in way most offensive to their religion, that way thousands of rabid fundamentalists will pour into Iraq to fight us, keeping this war going for years and years! It's the perfect plan! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Not interested by Balrog77	May 11th, 2004 02:23:50 AM
I'm sure it'll just be another sack of lies that Moore tries to pass off as truth. What a fat fucking hypocrite.
Welb - Part 2 by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 02:26:40 AM
I'm feeling more than OK. Yes I call people names. The reason? You morons need a wakeup call and I'm here to deliver it. Some of you idiots will vote Bush anyway because you're deluded, but there are always those idiots who don't read the news who need strong language to make them realize that the current administration is run by a bunch of corporate crooks. By the way, you certainly didn't say shit after I handed you your ass on the health care issue. Why? Because as most conservatives do, you regurgitate rhetoric rather than research an issue and realize what is best for the country. Go on paying ridiculous premiums and gladly taking it up the ass for corporations who are profiting untold billions by morons like yourself who actually go on to defend the actual corporations who are raping you! Can you not grasp the lunacy? Obviously not! Tool!
MoshMaster by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 02:32:10 AM
All the you need to know about Strom Thurmond is this: which party did this racist piece of shit, whom dumb-fuck South Carolinians continued to vote into office, end up with? The party that most closely mirrored his values which happens to be: today's Republican party. That's all you need to know about today's Republicans - they coddle the severe right wing that's RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, and just ALL AROUND FUCKING CRAZY. Why the fuck would you even defend this racist ass? Are you a KKK member in good standing?
ZombieHunter by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 02:40:02 AM
Yes, you're right. The Republicans started out as a LIBERAL party when Abraham and company were in power. Since then, the Democrats and Republicans have flip-flopped. So.... what is it you're trying to say? Nobody seems to know. You obviously support the Republicans so your dumbass argument, as most Republican arguments are, is ridiculous. You champion the liberal roots of the party, only to champion a party that has become, over time, utterly conservative and facist in nature. If you're going to use something in an argument, make sure it supports your viewpoint, ya halfwit!
Ramboman by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 02:42:54 AM
If my facts are so murky, as you call them, why aren't you showing them to be false? I guess it's because you have no leg to stand on, and like most fuckwit Republicans, you resort to changing the subject and name calling? I've directly approached each subject and individual in my posts and why their arguments are either non-sense or, more directly, complete horseshit. All you've done is call me names. Try harder next time dipshit.
To mr oneofblood by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 02:55:31 AM
You can't prove that any Iraqi prisoners were raped, tortured, deficated on, made to watch Michael Moore movies or any other worse than death inhumanity. So there was some naked prisoners that had their picture taken. Big fuckin deal, I wonder if the thousands of Kurds those same Iraqi's murdered and raped would have perfered some nudy blind folded photos to what they suffered. Worse goes on in highschool hazings. The point is they AREN'T being torutured or harmed beyond their pride. I don't give a shit about their little culture and being sensetive to it, when it comes to killers, I have a real hard time being senetive to their beliefs and pride. The united states not only has to put up with bullshit exagurated media coverage tying both our hands behind our back, we also have to put up with dumb fucks like you who would like nothing more than to see this war fail from your mile long list of technicalities and eventually rotting this country away from the inside. The other bottom line is that neither you nor I know who is in those prisons or why, but it isn't a far bet that they must be pretty damn rotten people seeing how we let most of the 'innocent prisoners' out to become the police force of the people. Go do some goddamn research on Islam and see exactly what they do believe about war and death. We aren't allowed to torture them or even starve them of sleep anymore, infact if we give them dirty looks we are fucking satanic evil pieces of insensetive shit. Well where was your humanitarian speach when they were allowed to break UN sanctions for 12 years and run rape rooms? Oh I forgot, none of our fucking business... it's their CULTURE... we should be sensetive to it and respect it. Listen to yourself, you truly want world to die and rot as long as your neighborhood is safe... your type is all the same.
Flying J by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 02:57:08 AM
I respect your opinion - even though I feel you're not totally informed on the issue you're debating. Decreasing the defense budget does not mean "WE'RE WEAKENING AMERICA". Don't buy into rhetoric. Here's an example: back in the '90's, I worked for a Government contractor that was employed on an out-of-the-way military base to fix outdated electronic equipment. Basically, I was employed on a contract that was a complete waste of money. This type of waste is RIFE in the military. This is why you cannot make blanket statements like "CUTTING THE MILITARY MEANS WEAKING AMERICA. IT'S CALLED THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FOR A REASON". Like I said before, cutting the defense budget is like trying to explain to NRA wackos why certain gun controls are good for America. Cutting waste, and there is ALOT OF IT, will benefit all Americans. Just think, you might get free health care out of it. Clinton closed unneeded bases when he came into office, and the Republicans were having daily aneurisms dealing with it. As far as I know, we haven't been invaded yet. Has America been weakened? Obviously not. We're not at war anymore. We're not in a cold war anymore. It's time to stop the war-time economy that we've been in since WWII. Quit listening to rhetoric that weapons manufacturers would have you believe. It's not necessary to spend such a huge percentage of our budget on the military. We have no foreign power parked on our borders. The next time you hear something stupid, count to 10, and think it through.
Rhetoric = Ramboman by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 03:02:03 AM
Ramboman, your rhetoric is so basic and deluded, it's funny. If you came here solely for movie facts, you wouldn't have posted about me in the first place (or the second place). Second, I don't think we're at war with Communists anymore, so you need to think of a new EMOTION INCITING SLUR to call those of us who have a brain. Once again, you've decided to skip debating anything I've said in this talkback, even though you called my facts murky. You're a typical, deluded moron who doesn't even know any better. You would hopelessly defend a position - one which you don't even entirely understand. That's the sad thing here.
A Testament To Ramboman's Knowledge, or Lack Thereof by WoodyStiffer	May 11th, 2004 03:04:58 AM
Once more thing - I haven't read his books, but even I know that it's Karl Marx, and not Karl Marz - dumbshit (in fact, it took me awhile to realize who Karl Marz was, or at least, who your dumbass was referring to)! If you're going to call people commies, you should at least get your name calling down pat.
by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 03:42:05 AM
Republicans? Republicans are the least of your worries my friend... Sure George Bush is a flaming moron but Kerry is a steaming pile of flaming shit coming out of the dark lords ass flavored moron. There is no good choice. Both of them will most likely unravel this country faster than 12 year old's pants in Michael Jacksons bedroom.... I find it really amusing that anyone thinks that either party can do this country any good. Both Democrats and Republicans are full of bad ideas and corrupt money grubbing leaders. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, there is no good answer. All that's left to do is grab a bucket of popcorn, find a nice mountain top and watch the fireworks. Me- I'll probably vote Bush, just because the fireworks will likely be more exciting.....
Who to vote for? by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 03:49:30 AM
Hmmm, Vote Bush and watch more Arabs get slaughtered, people get drafted and our borders dissapear..... Or vote kerry and watch more babies get slaughtered, homosexual validity being cramed down my kids throats, and social policies and bigger government to send my taxes soaring..... Damn that's a hard choice.....
It's great that all the foreigners love Moore... He creates such by Darth_Inedible	May 11th, 2004 04:01:27 AM
Nah I'm not going to waste my time with you ignorant shitheads.
Oh what's the big deal by WeedyMcSmokey	May 11th, 2004 04:09:12 AM
Moore's film will be seen. It will lauded by those who share his perspective and dismissed by those who don't, and the partisan stew that is blue and red America will continue to boil. Most people have already decided which way they'll vote anyway. This movie will only further entrench that decision. As a non-American, but close neighbor, I am often left to wonder how a country that has produced and/or cultivated some of the finest minds of the last two centuries came to become so regressive in its social policies. It seems so counter-intutive to me. Those photos have really fucked this administration - the moral integrity of US leadership and its ability to project democracy is now undeniably impaired. The arrogance is staggering.
Killing is killing is killing is killing....... doesn't matter w by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 04:21:22 AM
I'm not homophobic, I have lots of homo friends and I think they are silly. But I still care about them, and I am glad their mothers didn't believe in uteral killing. You can laugh at America all you want, but the entire world would be a much shittier place had America never existed. (Ooooh, there is a loaded statement for ya) I just love how so many people in other countries, especially Europe, like to make fun of America, shit talk America and believe that we are all bunch of crazy ass hillbily cavemen that don't understand tolerance and sensetivity. But you'll always be number 2, because you'll never understand how it takes a slightly different approach to run the world. I guess most of Europe still can't learn shit from WW2 and all the other meaningless preventable invasions and antrocities caused by your 'higher and better' policies. If america thought like most of Europe, even for one Presidents administration, it wouldn't be long before we were all speaking chinese, aborting all our female children (which I'm sure you advocate) and growing rice in our window sils. Anyway, keep it coming, I have lived in Europe and I think I have heard all the cowboy holier than though slander 'y'all' have to dish out... but who knows... maybe you'll surprise me :)
Well stoopid.... (wow, won't go there...) by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 04:30:40 AM
Without getting into an aborition argument, yes there are cases in which it should be a choice. But if it's just a form of birth control, then the country that advocates that is no better than any of america's foreign policies you find so offensive. I am so crazy and such a redneck insensetive asshole that I actually hope you are right. I actually hope America does go down the toilet, because there aren't enough people that live here that deserve it anymore. And I can't wait to see what happens to us, and you and the rest of the world when that happens. It will be incredibly sad and funny all at the same time. You just can't even begin to uncerstand or comprehend how and why America was formed and how and why it became the greatest nation on earth (if it isn't great, then why do so many people STILL move here more than your country? Oh, forgot... socialism doesn't bring much opportunity). I'm not even going to touch your crazy gun argument. You can disarm yourself, tie your hands behind your back and have total faith in your leaders to take you to Valhala if that is what you think is best. The right to defend yourself comes before any other right. Take that away and you are just a lamb waiting to be slaughtered. I'm sure you think that's a pretty rootin tootin crazy ass paranoid view, but tell that to the countless civilizations that fell just after being disarmed. Learn from history son. The strongest always wins in the end. Peace rallies, hugs and meaningless sex will not save the world, hate to break it to you. Sad but true.
To Mr Testicle Tom by theoneofblood	May 11th, 2004 04:44:59 AM
Just Re your response. Sorry if I didn't make this clear before, but I don't like war, and the sooner this one is over the better. I don't support pulling the troops out, that's just retarded. Sorry if you think having a different opinion to yours results in "rotting this country from the inside". All I was saying is that nothing justifies the barbaric treatment of the Iraqi prisoners, especially ones as low-ranking as these ones. For God's sake, we're the U.S. freakin A! We're meant to be a bastion of rights, tolerence and freedoms, not a bunch of torturing, abusive, arrogant assholes! I'm not some dickwad who totally ignores the hideous acts committed by Saddam and the like, I think he was a terrible man and deserves a bullet in the head more than most. What I AM saying is that we're better than that. We HAVE to be better than that... Otherwise the entire point is lost. Also, the U.N. should've gotten off its lazy ass and done something about Iraq a long time ago instead of just screwing around with sanctions that merely starve the innocent and let Saddam live in a huge fucking palace. Now onto your ideas about Muslims. How much of the Koran have you really read, Tom? Do you know anything about Islam besides what CNN and FOX tell you? I'll be the first to admit it's not the most perfect religion in the world, (none exist), but it certainly doesn't aim to kill and maim. People wouldn't subscribe to it if that was all it offered. The problem can be traced back to the Europeans and their colonies, who fucked up the entire region by drawing up boundries and making nations out of thin air. In the insuing hatred and chaos, fundamental extremism seemed like a good option for a dissolusioned few. The creation of Israel was also a monumentally fucked up decision. Finally to your point on who would be a better choice, definately Kerry. He was an idiotic choice in the Primaries, Wesely Clark should have won (I swear it was that damn idiot Michael Moore's fault), but he's still waaaaay better than Bush. Homosexuality being forced down our throats? What the hell are you talking about? So they can marry, who gives a shit!? How does that affect me in any way? If Bush is re-elected, those fireworks you'll be seeing is our own nation going up in flames.
to oneblood by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 05:04:25 AM
Ok, well said. I don't agree with you but I can agree to disagree... I personally don't really agree with the war either, and sadly the only answer to the middle eastern problem will ever be violence, and any administration democratic or republican will keep having to start wars until there is finally a very big one that alters pretty much the whole world (ww3) Diplomacy has proven to mean nothing to fanatical muslims. The majority of them are ok, but damn if it doesn't take a few people to ruin a party. I don't like it, and that's a pretty negative view I realize, I just think that's being realistic, it can only get worse until it gets better... it's kind of a foregone conclusion. Thanks for your nice civil response though.....that's rare on here.
Weight is NOT an issue here by allhailthomyorke	May 11th, 2004 05:17:27 AM
First of all, I'm sick of small-minded idiots like yourself constantly bringing attention to Harry and Michael Moore's weight. I mean, Moore's already lost a good amount from what I've seen and heard, and even if he weighed a ton, it wouldn't change the fact that he crusades for good causes and attempts to make the public aware of social injustice. And Knowles is an avid film fan who devotes much of his time and energy to bringing cinematic information to anyone who wants to read about it. His weight means nothing. Secondly, do you know anything about socialism? If, by some odd chance, Moore and Knowles WERE to be standing in line for a quadruple bypass surgery, the insurance granted to them under socialist policy would cover it-so although I'm sure they wouldn't be happy to be going under the knife, at least their medical bills would be paid.
Rush vs. Mike by allhailthomyorke	May 11th, 2004 05:21:47 AM
What a freaking stupid thing to say. To compare the intelligent and well-researched discussions by Moore to the incessant,mindless, spirit-crushing babble spewed by Limbaugh and his cronies is absolutely wrong. So you don't like Moore-I can understand that. But to say he's the left-wing equivalent of a complete dumbass is going waaaaaaay too far.
yankies... by allhailthomyorke	May 11th, 2004 05:24:18 AM
I'm an American, and I don't understand it either, stoopid. I'd much rather be in Europe. And before someone accuses me-NO I DO NOT HATE THIS COUNTRY-I just find the lack of open-mindedness frustrating.
Jessica by TesticleTom	May 11th, 2004 06:19:40 AM
Give me your contact info, I will be glad to pay your way to europe, that is if you can find a job and not have to mooch off some already poor government first. Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest are dumbasses, but they still make about 4,000 times more sense than that whack job hypocrite lie bag Moore.
Woodystiffer, Bootskin, et al by Kem	May 11th, 2004 08:32:18 AM
Case in point. I made a simple statement, yet there are those who on here who chose to attack me. The funny part is they all assume I am a Conservative. What if I were Liberal? Or Socialist? Libratarian? No matter. My point still stands. Now, while I normally ignore personal attacks...Woodystiffer: don't you EVER dare to presume about someone's creds. I was probably studying politics while you were still in diapers. And my idols? They walked the earth long before this country even existed. Save your hate and your assumptions for someone who cares. I frequent this website for MOVIE related news. And apologies to Bootskin, but so should we all.
To all the neo-nazi fourth reich conservative republican bush-lo by zombiejesus666	May 11th, 2004 09:49:20 AM
that about sums it up. you fucking scumbags are the lowest life forms on the planet and i hope you all rot in hell...or get raped and tortured in abu ghabir you fucking bastards
DOWN WITH BUSH-HATERS!!! by Hockenberry	May 11th, 2004 10:03:45 AM
Gollygoshdarn, if that red-blooded American wuz been in the White House in the Big One him
Snark by BigSugar	May 11th, 2004 11:00:11 AM
Conservatives aren't assholes until they star goose-stepping in line behind the likes of Bush and Limbaugh and their ilk. Besides, it's about time that Hollywood, if that's what MM can be called, fires some shots across the Re

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