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best lines by saareman	Apr 28th, 2004 10:17:44 PM
Wes: "Illyria?" (expressing concern after his apparatus has sucked the explosive energy force out of her) Illyria (collapsed on the floor and recovering): "Touch me and die, vermin!!" Spike: "Not a dramatic change really..."
Spike staked? by Crackula	Apr 28th, 2004 10:19:19 PM
What the fuck? Man, the Buffyverse has gotten nihilistic. Will anyone live? I wanna see a Buffy movie dammit!
not just Spike.... by Alex Rogan	Apr 28th, 2004 10:24:23 PM
Spike get staked, Wes and Kev are killed, and Angel decapitated, all in about 1.5 seconds
forgot one... by Alex Rogan	Apr 28th, 2004 10:26:00 PM
'Bluebird' goes kaboom and takes out the west coast as well
Random Thoughts... by Vnhaln1	Apr 28th, 2004 10:41:18 PM
Isn't the pregnant woman Angel's wife IRL? Does that mean that David's wife is pregnant? Also in Wes's conversation with Hamilton he lets slip that WR&H want Fred gone. Does that mean they think she will ruin whatever evil plan they have in the works? And if that is true then Angel & Crew nerfing her powers at episodes end is surely a mistake. Also I think it is sad to make next week's episode about Buffy and just show fleeting glimpses of the back of her head. Better to not have her in any episode then to do that.
Angel was extremely good, but.... by HavokJD	Apr 28th, 2004 10:42:22 PM
fucking Smallville was GREAT! Way to redeem themselves from some of the other stinker episodes this season. Back to Angel....I don't know how they can tie this all up adequately. Now matter how good the next few episodes, when it ends it will probably all feel so hollow due to the rushed finish. And despite the great episodes this year, I still miss Team Angel breaking bad and kicking some ass. Especially Angel...he just seems so de-fanged this year. Here's to hoping, shit praying, for some TV movies!
Closure? by _Fate_	Apr 28th, 2004 10:45:50 PM
To start off with I have LOVED these episodes of Angel. They are getting to be so good. But if this is, god forbid, the last season then where is the closure?!? These episodes don't seem to me to have a sense of an approaching end. The final Buffy episodes always had a feeling of an impending end, not only the series finale but the season ones as well. I realize this show is not Buffy but I havn't felt the feeling of an ending coming up. Anyway thats my piece. So in conclusion GO SAVING ANGEL!!!! Resurect it for us PLEASE!!!
Yeah I forgot the Hamiltion visit to Wes stuff.... by HavokJD	Apr 28th, 2004 10:47:21 PM
WTF....now that little tidbit of info that Hamilton shared was intriguing. But I find it curious that Wes wouldn't mention that to Angel and the rest of them team right away. Especially since this ep revolved around the "supposed" motivation of the rest of the team wanting to get rid of her, and Wes obviously (as we find out at the end) NOT wanting to. You would think he would have used that info from Hamilton as a point in his save the Bluebird campaign. Bluebird also hinted at her familiarity with "The Wolf, The Ram, and The Hart." This plot point intrigues me the most and I hope they satisfactorily develop it and don't leave it hanging like a Chris Claremont plot thread. Havok....out!
Herc: TV Guide is often wrong, but it wasn't last week by kernelm	Apr 28th, 2004 10:49:10 PM
Hamilton clearly tried to bargain with Gunn last week. Then Gunn stopped him before Hamilton could even explain what the offer was.
There will be closure . . . sort of by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 28th, 2004 10:55:44 PM
Saddly it won't be done in the movies, HOAX: Angel September TV Movie is a HOAX !?! From Buffy.nu - By RavenU - 2004-04-28th Reply to the article First ANGEL TV Movie May Hit in September I saw Mercedes McNab this past weekend at a convention and she said none of the cast has heard about doing a movie, and they think it is a hoax that the WB is pulling on the fans to placate them and to get them to keep watching the WB next season. So if the movie was really going to happen in Sept you think they would be in contract negociations with the actors about it at this time and they would have heard something. If they were going to be airing in Sept they would have to be filming it in June or July, which means contracts would have to be done now at the latest, since that
Illyria has mentioned Wolfram & Hart Before by The Continental	Apr 28th, 2004 10:56:59 PM
Havok, Illyria mentioned that the Wolf, Ram, and Hart were just lesser beings during her reign over the world in the first or second episode she appeared in. I think she said they stuck to the shadows and schemed or some such. Basically implied that they bided their time and are in their current state of power due to underhanded tactics.
by Big Papa	Apr 28th, 2004 10:59:16 PM
When Angel was jumping back and forth through time, did he get switched with future-Angel (the Angel who has been running Wolfram & Hart for years and is corrupt and evil)? Is that maybe why Angel was evil at the end?? Illyria did speak of an evil Angel.***I don't know yet if I liked this episode or not. It was choppy, and the time-jumps confused me.*I like that they drained Illyria of some of her power, if this is leading up to her becoming part of the Fang Gang, like Wesley suggested. At least, I HOPE that's where they're going with this. I don't want Illyria/Fred to be the season Big Bad, because that's been done twice before. And I don't want her turning back into Fred at the end.***Anyone else think that Wolfram & Hart had something to do with bringing Illyria forth? After all, none of this would have happened had the Partners not taken away Gunn's smarts.
Serve the Clients... by BLADE	Apr 28th, 2004 11:18:16 PM
AtS is pretty much always good. Lorne tracking the Smurf was great.Amy Acker IMHO does a great job as Illerya(however the fuck you spell it).Mercedes McNab, fine as always. I see David threw his out-of-work wife a bone(no pun intended). And...... fucking SMALLVILLE is milking cock latley. Jesus christ could someone tell me what the fuck this whole season has been about?
Has Mercedes McNab always been on the main cast? by delwin	Apr 28th, 2004 11:19:57 PM
Or just a guest star? Maybe I haven't been paying attention. Anyways, I love Angel, and I'm heartbroken it won't return when major shitfarts like the OC will.
McNab by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 28th, 2004 11:25:14 PM
She's only been on the main cast for 2 eps, this was her third...sad she only gets 6 eps....
Lorne's "Death" by Skeetskeetskeet	Apr 28th, 2004 11:27:59 PM
Anyone notice the huge f-up when Illyria supposed killed Lorne? Doesn't Lorne have to have his head torn off and his body dismembered to actually die? It was shown back when Angel's gang got stuck in Lorne's home dimension. A small flaw in an kickass season. F the WB and F their mothers. Oh wait I already did. Skeetskeetskeet.
Lorne and Head.... by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 28th, 2004 11:33:03 PM
MAYBE. . . . it's never been explored in our dimension, remember in Pylea Angel could walk in sunlight..physics here are different.
Angel's not evil by Nrrh	Apr 28th, 2004 11:51:54 PM
Remember the line "Serve no master but your ambition." Angel's ambition is to end Wolfram & Hart and the apocalypse. Therefore he's going along with it to beat W&H in the end.
So... Wesley lied and Angel shrugs it off? by Logo Lou	Apr 29th, 2004 12:16:29 AM
Angel flat out asks Wesley if he lied about that gun killing Iilari, Iilar, uh, Dark Fred, and Wes says yes and Angel doesn't seem that concerned about it. I mean, with his new batch of old memories, you think Wes would be watching his shit with Angel.
Actually, by The Riot	Apr 29th, 2004 12:32:22 AM
According to Lorne - "You cut off our heads, we just keep on a-tickin' until you mutilate our bodies." Maybe Illyria mutilated Lorne's body just enough to kill him. Or.. you just didn't see her do it.. You know, she can warp time and stuff.. Yeah.. Anyway - HERC - watch last week's episode again and then apologize to TV Guide.
THe baby sacrifice by jello1235	Apr 29th, 2004 12:34:50 AM
Is it just me, or did they already have an episode where a lady was about to sign away her baby for sacrifice? I thought the whole time that they were all in a big messed up time warp, but I'm probably just tripping.
One of the best episodes of this season by Paul Allen Voiq	Apr 29th, 2004 12:49:14 AM
great acting great script great direction. WTF? Is this show really going off the air? "Dear Penthouse...."
Who cares about this lame duck show, I just saw Cordelia's boobi by Headless Roland	Apr 29th, 2004 12:56:57 AM
booyah!!
Who Cares About Trolls? by Real Deal	Apr 29th, 2004 01:03:46 AM
They are the scurge of internet forums and talkbacks. The lowest form of life.
Season is winding down and... by Rein	Apr 29th, 2004 01:20:28 AM
shouldn't something be happening? Shouldn't they be dealing with something big and bad?
BruceCambellsChin by GollumsNutsack	Apr 29th, 2004 01:48:48 AM
I agree Bruce, the best CONVENTION in the US is http://www.FlashBackWeekend.co m Boreanaz in his only appearance....
David Boreanaz by BruceCambellChin	Apr 29th, 2004 01:51:18 AM
Is gonna be live in Chicago, Right Gollum.?.?. www.FlashBackWeekend.com , right???
Did herv ewven see last weeks episode? by SG7	Apr 29th, 2004 02:35:16 AM
'cause Hamilton did make Gunn an offer, Gunn just turned it down.
I read elsewhere that TNT is the best possibility for an Angel t by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 29th, 2004 04:54:41 AM
And just ONE movie. All the stuff we've been reading about a series of TV movies on the WB are rumors, and simply not true. As some others have pointed out, it doesn't make sense that the WB would produce 6 telefilms. For one example, where in their line-up would they have the room to air these? TNT is rumored to be interested in funding production of a follow-up telefilm to air on its network. The Angel repeats have been doing well for that network. When you think about, TNT seems like the best and most realistic possibility. We should write in our support to TNT.
I heard that Boreanaz has a part in the Serenity movie. by mrfan	Apr 29th, 2004 05:22:19 AM
Maybe that is what they are going to announce. Heck, maybe Whedon and him are shacking up now. Who knows. I really feel that there will be no Angel telemovies. Wish there was.
Angel did NOT turn evil again.... by krims0nknite	Apr 29th, 2004 06:46:27 AM
It's pretty obvious that he takes those demons into his office and kills them.
I may have missed something but the APOCALYPSE IS OVER. by ozzjenkin	Apr 29th, 2004 08:00:52 AM
As I watched tonight I snuck a look at what Herc rated the show early in my viewing time. I was already under the impression that the episode would be awesome once Illyria burst on the scene. Anyway I think that the apocalypse as Wolf- Ram-and-Hart know it. Illyria transcends both Angel and the parteners. When Angel and Spike are there together as the world ends and die it still means that both vampires with souls had a part to play in the end of the world. I really think it is over and the next three will be devoted to sewing up what Angel does next and hopefully lead into a spin-off with Whedon favories Marsters and Acker. HERC think about rerating this. It stands up extremely well to the best dramatic episodes in the Whediverse.
TV movies by Gislef_crow	Apr 29th, 2004 08:30:30 AM
Yeah, it would be nice if we got _one_ Angel movie from TNT. But let's face it - that's about it. Might get two. Pretender folks also had high hopes about a series of TV movies on TNT, and look what happens - we got 2 that were...eh at best, and then the whole Pretender thing dropped down a black hole.
About "Something Happening" by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 29th, 2004 08:34:37 AM
Something won't happen until ep 21. Next week's episode is a comedy romp in itally written by "The Drew" and Stephen S. DeKNight. THey go to "save" buffy from the immortal, but it turns out she's happy, and without actually ever seeing her (they get their info through Andrew) they realize they need to get over it and move on...leading up to the last two eps where we think Angel's turning evil, but well, I'm not sure again what the spoiler rules are here...but remember in Buffy how all the demon characters died and the humans were left standing? Yin to Yang baby...yin to yang.....
One more thing... by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 29th, 2004 08:35:18 AM
Who the fuck is Herv?
Who are they going to get to play the back of Buffy's head next by rev_skarekroe	Apr 29th, 2004 09:01:18 AM
Can't wait! sk
Lorne's Death by chrsoprase	Apr 29th, 2004 09:22:39 AM
I didn't tape it, so I can't confirm, but I thought Angel or Illyria said something about the clown passing out, meaning that though she may have struck him, he wasn't dead, just out. Anyone have it on tape? Linda
Um...I didn't get it... by godric	Apr 29th, 2004 09:46:19 AM
I have loved this season, but last night's ep. seemed scattershot and random to me. Too many Illyria speeches, and I never quite caught on what they were trying to do with the Fell demons and the pregnant lady, and I certainly didn't understand the ending. And that plotline did seem familiar. I don't know...felt like something was missing.
3.5? No, at least 4, even 4.5 stars! by Big Jim	Apr 29th, 2004 09:48:22 AM
This show just keeps getting better with each episode. Way better than last season (and I liked last season). The way the show has been progressing, next season would have been awsome! It's a shame the network would not have had more respect for this show and allow them an entire season to wrap up. Or even half a season. TV movies, the occasional two-hour episode? I don't hold out much hope. WB may just be trying to placate viewers, as SpeakerWiggin said. It sounds like "we can still be friends". Dumped is dumped, no matter how sweetly it is said.
TNT season 5 by pants malone	Apr 29th, 2004 11:46:40 AM
Is TNT going to play this season of Angel, or is it going to drop it before they can. My viewing of this season has, sadly, been spotty at best.Maybe TNT will turn into the third comedy channel after TBS. WTF.
The Skinny ... by jgsugden	Apr 29th, 2004 12:11:06 PM
#1: At least 1 telefilm seems likely. If it works out well, there will be interest in a second, but don't think for a second that they'll make plans for a second (or 6th) telefilm until the first one airs. #2: They probably botched the Lorne thing, but if it helps you out to explain it away - If I'm a lover, not a fighter, and someone wastes the three toughest guys I know in 1.5 seconds (and does significant damage to me in the process), I'm playing dead. Or, maybe I'm knocked unconcious. #3: Go back and watch the last few moments, when Ilyria speaks to Angel during the time leaping, when Angel talks about Ilyria after she has had her powers diminished and when Angel walks into the office. Put them together. Angel is acting bad, not being bad.
BTW: ... by jgsugden	Apr 29th, 2004 12:12:29 PM
BtVS, season 3. Faith says that she is the best actor in the world and Angel says something in response. Keep it in mind.
Take that California by GypsyTRobot	Apr 29th, 2004 02:00:02 PM
Chicago got David Boreanaz. Not that I really wanted to see him in person, I'd rather see Alex Denisof or the Clem guy, but still. Big Nelson Muntz ha ha to the West Coast on that one.
Can someone answer this? by Rapmaster C	Apr 29th, 2004 02:04:23 PM
Whats the deal with Wesley and Gunn? I mean, is Gunn not a little angry that his friend stabbed him? Has there been any interaction between them since it happened?
The finale "spoilers" posted earlier are false, I bet. by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 29th, 2004 03:06:32 PM
Thinking about it some more, I have a feeling that the spoilers that have been going around the net and which Herc put up are false. Something about the "tone" feels off, and the spoilers feel almost as false as those for the rumored Buffy season enders for Seasons 5 and 6. The most reliable news sources seem to suggest that Episodes 21 and 22 comprise a two-parter.
Didn't Angel kill one of the senior partners by Kid_cthulhu	Apr 29th, 2004 03:33:22 PM
During season two wasn't there some sort of big meeting at Wolfram and Hart where one of the senior partners took on physical form and Angel attacked and killed him/it with some type of magical gauntlet or somesuch.
Wonderfalls rumor renewal on WB is false, a WB rep says. by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 29th, 2004 03:58:06 PM
http://www.enewszone.com/tv/ne ws/1082833799.html
The Senior Partners -- who or what are they? My theory: The SP a by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 29th, 2004 04:01:10 PM
Just my theory. The idea of Angel, Spike and Illyria battling some big CG dragon in the finale sounds dumb.
Xander in Buffy Withdrawal/Enters Rehab by Deandome	Apr 29th, 2004 05:01:25 PM
Dunno if I'm more sorry for Nick Brendon, or happy that Buffy still has some pull with the "national" press http://www.foxnews.com/story/0 ,2933,118557,00.html LOS ANGELES
If the theory that the Senior Partners are in fact Team Angel, i by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 29th, 2004 06:47:19 PM
For example, why the Senior Partners never wanted to kill Angel. Why Lindsey hate Angel (maybe Lindsey knows who Angel is). Notice also that throughout this season we've been seeing the "dark side" of the other members of the Team: Wes, Lorne (when he "hulked out"), Lawyer Gun, and Fred becoming Illyria. Maybe what happens is that somehow Angel becomes Angelus again, and it is Angelus in the future who is the head Senior Partner. I don't see Wes as one of the Partners -- maybe he went insane (over his unrequited love for Fred and Illyria; and inability to sort out the two sets of memories he has) and is locked up in an asylum. Gunn is probably dead in this future. Lorne probably walked away from Wolfram & Hart. Ditto Spike. But Harmony and Illyria are still around. Future Angelus has been keeping the timeline going so that Angel will turn into him.
Sadly, no one will be picking up a story arc driven program watc by koomoReborn	Apr 29th, 2004 06:54:12 PM
Attempts to make the show "Law and Order: Fang Gang" failed. There's virtually no romance and relationship angst to attract the fairer sex. The con rumor can be placed in the same file as "Ripper" -- all that stuff is designed to keep the fan boys coming back and give these one-shot TV stars a modest living. Sadly, game over.
Good ep, a little strange... by buckna	Apr 29th, 2004 07:11:54 PM
They didn't give us enough info to jump to any conclusions about why Angel was acting like that at the end. My guess is he is playing along, afterall, if the woman signed the contract her son would live for 13 years before being sacrificed. Plenty of time to save him from the fell beasts but get on the Sr. Partners good side first. Illiria is very long winded, glad they admitted it in the show. Seeing everyone killed so quickly was a trip unto itself, wish Gunn had been in there too! And yes, that was David B.'s real life wife playing the pregnant woman. They didn't do her up very well, as she's a former Playboy Playmate of the Year and was smoking hot on the FX series Son of the Beach. Is she pregnant again? They just had a kid a year ago or so. can't believe only 3 more left!!!
Fill-in ep by Toby___Wong	Apr 29th, 2004 07:50:41 PM
This episode was a bit of a letdown, but it doesn't matter because Angel is still the second best tv series after The Shield. Ouf course there was some fun stuff. Illyria kicked ass and whoever designed Acker's outfit and look should get a major raise, cause the person has a wicked imagination. I can't believe we are almost at the end of Angel. I hope we get an epic apocalypse showdown. Fuck you, Warner Bastards. I hope Dark Shadows will fall so hard on its face that it will loose all its teeth. Not only that, but I also hope someone throws Jordan Levin off the balcony in the Warner Bastards building.
is herc the biggest douche or what? by jancola	Apr 29th, 2004 09:14:39 PM
Because I remember Hamilton tried to strike a deal with Gunn. Hamilton came down into the cellar, tried to talk, and Gunn said 'No.' They even referred to the incident this week. TV Guide didn't lie. Herc, however, is a big spas who can't even sit through 45 minutes of TV and come out of the experience with a general sense of the plot.
whats the difference between Illyria and Glory by scalda	May 1st, 2004 08:12:42 AM
both god's both come back to a time where theyre nothing anymore. he's reusing old plots.

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