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You know something? by Mr. High	Jan 28th, 2004 05:03:48 AM
I don't want to understand these people, I just want them dead. They are determined to insist on moving the world back into the stone age and are never going to change their society into anything resembling logical, so just I just want them dead. I'm tired of their endless and irrational hatred of all things not them and I'm tired of hearing them bitch how bad they have it. They could change if they wanted to, but they're comfortable and too used to hating everyone in the world because of the lives they have created for themselves. So, I just want them all to die. Spae the forward thinking and educated among them, but for the most part, it's an entire region of stupid, violent and altogether worthless people, so just kill them, because that's all they're planning for anyone who isn't them. I'm tired of 'Terror Warnings' that don't mean anything. I'm tired of listening to people screaming after some moron goat-fucker blows up an after-school hangout in Israel. I'm tired of 'interpreting' their religion. I just want them dead. They're a speed-bump on the way toward a better future. Better yet, let's just get the rest of the world to ignore them completely. Fuck 'em. They don't want our help, they need it, but they don't want it. So fuck the entire region. Of course this will never happen, as Bush is a total pussy and lacks the resolve to pull our troops and simply release a chemical that would sterilize every fucker in that area. No, there's oil there. Oil is a great reason to see soldiers like my cousin die for no fucking good reason. So, in closing, I don't want to understand them, I don't care about their point of view, I don't care about this movie, I just want them exterminated like the fucking stupid, violent, ignorant and hateful vermin that they are.
I assume by "them" you mean the Taliban by judderman	Jan 28th, 2004 05:32:31 AM
and not the innocent Afghan people who have been suffering through 25 years of needless wears largely brought on by the stupidity of their dictatorial rulers and the selfish interference of foreign powers (Russia, Pakistan, US).
I think they should make "The Osama Effect" with Hulk Hogan as t by mbaker	Jan 28th, 2004 05:33:51 AM
Die, infidel brothers!
Afghan by Sceleratos	Jan 28th, 2004 06:45:12 AM
I hate to break it to America hating linberals and Euro-trash(National) Socialists, but the people of Afghanistan HAVE NEVER allowed or wanted any forgeiners in their country. So all this "WE ABANDONED THEM" bullshit has got to stop. It's just another way for Lefties to blame America for another nations troubles. Right now, if(and probably WHEN) Lefties in America get their way we WILL be abandoning them and the Islamic beggar nation of Iraq too. But we NEVER abandoned Afhganistan in the 1st place. It was a stepping stone(which turned into a landmine) on the way to the Glorious LEft Wing Empire of Russia's way to the Warm water port it always wanted, and needed for Global domination. Unfortunatly for the Russians, and liberal lefties everywhere, the Afghans did not want to be Commies and have their religion stomped out. Turns out the primary factor in Keeping people down and under control, is the only thing they HAVE...and good Poppies. So When we pull out(and free Saddam, GO DEAN GO!!!hehaheha)Thye will go back to their natural state...just like the Newly freed iraqi's want to make a new islamic theocracy....these people have no grasp of freedom or what you need to GIVE UP to really have it. Most of the worlds nations(Like...hmmm....Europe) Who's freedom is a GIFT of the United States of America will never Stand up or fight for freedom. it's not in their mindset, their culture. THEY never fought to attain freedom, or see themselves as guardians of it. Neither should WE actually. it's clear we are neither wanted or needed...so we should let South Korea and Japan(Sorry guys) Stand on their own...and IF the LEFT WING CHUNG EMPIRE of China goes all "Tibetan Genocide" on them...then, Take it to the UN. " Screw you guys I'm going home". YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. My favorite Taliban(or islamic) moment, was whent hey blew up those OLD Buhddas....Mucho International "protest"....Very effective too. but it was funny because they were blowing up an Obsolete symbol of an obsolete relgion that predated their obsolete religion....Now if the Muslims of Egypt would just do the same to the Pyramids and the Sphinx and Abu Symbul and all the rest of the reminders that GOD(s) were created by men(not the other way around) and that sooner or later Present day gods will go the way of Ancient gods(the sooner the better)we'd be making some real progress, in showing the true character of the Islamic world. They Truely do believe in a Free society....Free of Jews, and Christians, and Hindus, and Seihks, and Krishnas(well who cans tand those idiots?), and Athiests(Oh no!!! I'm worse than an Infidel!!!)...and anyone else who does not aknowledge their filthy god and his false prophet. How do we know this? Well Where is a Muslim nation that is NOT a Muslim nation? I mean where is the country where they just have a majority of the population, and all other peoples are free to be? No such place. Anyway, the ONLY Prophet is Profit. God is a LIE.
You people should be ashamed by theoneofblood	Jan 28th, 2004 07:21:35 AM
Dear God. People like this make me sick. I can't believe you actually hold that opinion, are you serious or are you just trying to get a rise out of other people. I can't wait to see this movie.
hey, Mr. High, too bad about your cousin by eraser_x	Jan 28th, 2004 08:26:50 AM
but you should try to show some self control, man (or woman). don't lose it in front of everybody like a sissy 10-year old. just because your government sent your cousin to die doesn't mean you should turn yourself into a Hitler. Of course, you may be trolling, and you may not have had a cousin at all.
Mr. High by afa	Jan 28th, 2004 08:37:02 AM
Well, what can one say? i guess atleast part of your hatred and anger for 'that region' is a result of the loss of a loved one. that is ofcourse, totally understandable. im not going to claim to know what your going through because I frankly (and thankfully) haven't experienced it. but to say your cousin died for no good reason is an insult to his memory. i urge you not to repeat that to his family, specially not his parents. telling them their son's death was pointless will take away what little solice they might have that he died a hero's death. as for the point of the war, it was to remove a brutal dictator from power. in addition to the hundreds of thousands of iraqis he has killed, his staying in power meant the possible death of Americans as well, as Saddam was obviously hell-bent on destroying US. maybe not today, or tomorrow, but somewhere down the line Saddam would cause suffering for more people. the war took place to ensure that more people dont suffer losses of loved ones. im sure you know all too well how painful it is.
by judderman	Jan 28th, 2004 08:37:36 AM
Scoleros, or whatever your name is; your claim that "THEY never faught for their freedom" is absolute bullshit when it comes to the Afghans. The Afghans have been doing nothing for the last 25 YEARS but fight for their freedom! We fought a quick war from 1776-1783 and we look back on it as a time of tribulation. The Afghans have seen their country completely ravaged for a quarter century and they haven't let up. They were a modern constitutional democracy that was shamelessly invaded by the USSR in 1978, then flooded by CIA-trained Saudi Islamic militants like Osama bin Laden, then taken over by the Taliban, despite the efforts of great fighters like Achmad Shah Moussoud to turn them back. Theyt deserve everything we can give them, because they helped destroy the USSR by giving them their own Vietnam, and we are obliged to help them, because it's partly our fault that they are in the mess they're in. Given that, is it any wonder they don't want foreigners messing with their country?
and another thing, Mr. High, by eraser_x	Jan 28th, 2004 08:37:49 AM
I wonder whether you would be one of those people at a funeral who cry and wail and make a spectacle of themselves, even though you were never really very close to the deceased, and even though the immediate family of the deceased is right there showing dignity.
wow, that is a great invention, that chemical of Mr. High's, by eraser_x	Jan 28th, 2004 08:49:40 AM
it can tell who are the fuckers and who are the forward thinking and educated and sterilize only the fuckers but not the forward thinking and educated! Amazing!
interesting fact by pablo2004	Jan 28th, 2004 10:06:22 AM
At the Reykjavik(sp?)summit in 1986 the Russians attempted to negotiate a way out of Afghanistan leaving behind a stable government but Donald Regan advised against that because he wanted them to suffer their own Vietnam. And that's the reason Afghanistan why the Taliban were able to take power.
Well... by Midnightcrow	Jan 28th, 2004 10:10:33 AM
Mr High, if you want to exterminate "stupid, violent, ignorant and hateful vermin", maybe you should do humanity a favour and exterminate yourself. speaking of ignorant vermin, Sceleretos' outburst has to be the most ignorant piece of fascist bullshit I've ever heard. 30 years ago, Afghanistan was one of the most culturally-diverse countries in the world. From Persian, through Hellenistic to Muslim and Buddhist art, the country was so full of Archaeological treasures, that the museum of Kabul became famous the world over. In the Bamian valley alone there were Buddhist temples, Mosques, Zoroastrian fire temples and early Judeo-Christian Monasteries. All these different religious groups cohabitated peacefully for a thousand years and their respective teachings influenced the entire world. Yet in a few short years of American-caused Taliban rule, this heritage was entirely wiped out. Bamian is now an empty, arid valley strewn with the rubble of these sites and the Kabul Museum is an empty shell. We did NOTHING to stop thi, only choosing to remove the Taliban when they refused to work with Haliburton and build a pipeline. And yet, even now, people like you have no shame in saying the Afghans have no culture becuase they don't have A FUCKING MCDONALDS.
You know something Mr High... by TheGinger Twit	Jan 28th, 2004 10:46:22 AM
You are the reason we are not pressing forward. These people have been living under american bombs a lot further back than september 11. It's people like you that make presidents like Bush. 'just let me kill them all - if you all join with me we can fuck them up." But we in the civilzed world don't believe in bombing people to a better civlization. We in the civilized world don't believe you can bring democracy to a people by taken away everything the have and are. No weapons found. You got Saddam for christmas. and still your boys are over there being shot at while your old pal Bush hides in his fortress of secrecy and dirty dealings. People are dying. It's no war, it's a God damn slaughter... but that's what you're saying to do hey. Well here's anther option that might be a nice alternative to you dropping chemical weapons on our side of the planet... take that 87 billion dollars and buy everyone an airfare ticket and round em all up in washington DC and drop your weapon on them there. It's ok, Bush doesn't have to there for it... He can go anywhere in his free God blessed country he so desires..
I've imagined it FrankBlackRules, and I don't see it... by Batutta	Jan 28th, 2004 12:09:44 PM
The problem is, no religion is a religion. Not beliving is a belief, which means people will always be in conflict with others who believe differently. I think our founding fathers got it right. People should have the right to religion, but the government cannot be allowed to force it onto others. It doesn't rule out the possibility of religious tension, but it keeps the government neutral, and prevents such tensions from getting out of control, unlike what happened in Afghanistan.
Batutta is right: Atheism is a religion too. by alchemist	Jan 28th, 2004 12:34:50 PM
Look at the zeal in which these "non-religious" posts were written. It seems that these people are passionately waging a war of words in the same way that a religious person would. The potential for conflict is still there, easily. Religion isn't the problem (that's just window dressing), it's assholes. Islam isn't violent and backwater at all, it just happens to be the faith of choice for what is a very tested people right now. I mean, Christianity gave rise to the dark ages once, and now it seems to be living sorta peacefully within democracy. People can and will change when given the opportunity. I know how you feel. Sometimes it would be easier if we were all neutral when it comes to faith, politics, race, what have you. But those are not what causes conflicts at all, those are just excuses. It's militant fuckers that are to blame. For the record, I'm a self made what you would call "Bhuddist" living in Canada. I know how irrational it feels to be living in a society that believes in one of two things that are differently from me (Athiest/Christian).... But I also know that if it wasn't one thing, it'd be the other. Christians believe in God and Jesus, so that's what they fight for. Atheiests believe in human nature and logic, that's what they fight for. To think that religion somehow has to do with any of this is naive.
Everyone needs to step back by Caerdwyn	Jan 28th, 2004 12:42:31 PM
Whine, whine, whine. I highly doubt that anyone on an AICN is wordly and wise enough to truly bring any relevant opinion to this whole mess of personal feelings and politics. You - the guy who hates America or just wants to pin some great blame on us - shut up. And you - the guy who thinks we should bomb everyone who is "keeping us back" - you should shut up too. Nobody is being objective here, everyone is swayed by something... whether you've lost a loved one or you think that the US stands for McDonaldization of the world. I'm sorry you lost your cousin, and I'm sorry the other guy doesn't care for the USA. Let's stick to discussing the movie here, and save the politicking for a board dedicated to it.
if Mr High was from the middle east, he'd be a suicide bomber by Tall_Boy	Jan 28th, 2004 07:53:13 PM
fuckin nutjob. don't contribute to the genepool, jackass. Same with anyone who is in love with the right. The world is much better off without you.
Moot point by Nazzim O'Bazzim	Jan 28th, 2004 08:08:48 PM
That's the phrase, not "mute". No, I don't know what a "moot" is. And that's the point.
Oh, I'm sorry, maybe I should clarify for all you bleeding heart by Mr. High	Jan 29th, 2004 03:20:20 AM
....cocksuckers. I didn't mean to spare anyone in that region from sterilization, I mean EVERYONE! Eventually the entire region will die out on it's own. Or simply release something that would allow them have only female children. And as for the argument that my cousin was a distant releative, FUCK YOU! I didn't blabber and fucking bawl during his funeral, I didn't say much of anything. He was my best friend and it's a fucking waste that he had to go and give his life in that backward ass pisshole of a country. So, FUCK YOU, FUCK THE MIDDLE EAST AND FUCK ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT ANYTHING GOOD WILL EVER COME FROM THAT PART OF THE WORLD!
Mr High you are an ignorant fascist idiot by gg	Jan 29th, 2004 03:28:09 AM
If you knew anything about anything, you would know that "that region" is the cradle of modern civilization. And there is only one "region" to blame for 80% of what
Not so black and white... by gg	Jan 29th, 2004 04:53:52 AM
"Finally, there is a b.s. rumor floating that our CIA trained radicals to overthrow Afghanistan's "democratic" government which was headed by Nur Mohammed Taraki. Ummm....whoever started this rumor is way off base...first, the People
Small typo there... by gg	Jan 29th, 2004 04:57:27 AM
While CIA didn
OK, clarifications by judderman	Jan 29th, 2004 07:21:03 AM
Actually, that "call for help" from the Communist regime was reportedly made when Taraki was on a tank marching into Kabul with the Soviets, so it's unclear exactly how much this "coup" was internal and how much it was a preamble to a Soviet-backed invasion. The time before the 1978 coup, when Afghanistan was a constitutional monarchy with a surprisingly cosmopolitan and tolerant society (images from that period seem more civilised than Riyadh does today) is known as the "golden decade" by Afghans, and indeed was Western-looking. As for this quote: FUCK YOU, FUCK THE MIDDLE EAST AND FUCK ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT ANYTHING GOOD WILL EVER COME FROM THAT PART OF THE WORLD! Try our modern numerical system, the zero, optics, chemistry, modern astronomy, algebra etc etc. Here's a hint- any scientific word begining with al- (alchemy, alkali, algorithm, alcohol, Aldebaran) is Arabic, so shut up before you make yourself look stupider than you obviously are.
Getting real by gg	Jan 29th, 2004 08:36:43 AM
"If you believe what you set forth in your statment then every day when you buy goods at the store...the cash you're using will likely at some point...fall into the hands of a drug dealer...that cash might travel to the Golden Crescent...that means you should be arrested and do time heavy time...because you...yourself are funding terrorists and have sponsored Osama. Get real." I think this is quite a stretch , compared to directly funding training and arms for people for later turn out to be ones enemys. Real bad analogy. The US sponsored the Mujahideens, members of the Mujahideens entered Al-qaeeda, which part of this is convoluted? "Actually, that "call for help" from the Communist regime was reportedly made when Taraki was on a tank marching into Kabul with the Soviets, so it's unclear exactly how much this "coup" was internal and how much it was a preamble to a Soviet-backed invasion." Yeah, I don
I was there... by noslack6	Jan 29th, 2004 10:12:56 AM
I was there and I really want to see this movie. I hope that it humanizes the Afghans who I found by and large to be decent people caught up in the malestorm of history. I also think that its amazing this film got made in the first place. Anyone with any understanding of life in Afghanistan has to acknowledge that. I would be willing to bet the story of the film's making is every bit as interesting as the film itself. Anyone who thinks that the Afghanis are just "animals", ought to check out rawa.org for some perspective. Its not necessary the most balanced portrait of Afghanistan, but its still interesting and courageous.
gg by JackieJokeman	Jan 29th, 2004 02:44:45 PM
"Still, claiming that a regime can
JackieJokeman by gg	Jan 30th, 2004 06:14:29 AM
That is beside the point. This is about saying that communist=undemocratic, and that is ridiculous. Wether democratic communist regimes has existed or ever will, is beside the point. If a government is chosen by the people in a fair election, and they uphold the constitution of said country, or changes it in a way according to law and policymaking, developes it
whaa? by JackieJokeman	Jan 30th, 2004 06:30:35 PM
The guy wasnt talking about some theoretical government but about the one that came about in the communist takeover of Afghanistan. So his statement could hardly be called stupid. Of couse communism is appealing to many in theory, but weve yet to discover a way to live under and theorical government, until then we'll have to rely on ones that actually work in reality.
Whatever, try reading it again, then... by gg	Feb 7th, 2004 12:45:25 PM
He is still using the fact that a government is communist, as a proof that it cannot be democratic per se. That is stupid.

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