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AICN-Downunder: PETER PAN; LOVE ACTUALLY; LOST IN TRANSLATION; MASTER AND COMMANDER; THE RIVAL; and the Extended ROTK

i'm not first :o( by perryfarrell	Dec 19th, 2003 01:13:46 PM
time to talk back!
I want to read Moriarty's Peter Pan review, because he LOVED the by Drath	Dec 19th, 2003 01:46:39 PM
I've heard more than one reviewer attack the script of the new Peter Pan, and that upsets me a bit because it was Moriarty's enthusiasm for that "awful" script that gave me any hope for this Peter Pan movie in the first place. Excerpts from it sounded magical and nothing like a comparison to Miyazaki to get your hopes up. Are these people just a bunch of clueless apes, or did the script change, or did the movie just not live up to it? I want to see the movie for myself, I want/hope to love it as much as I think Moriarty loved the script (which I want to read as well, by god). But I at some point I would be really interested to hear what Mori thinks of the finished movie and what he has to say about these negative script comments. ****************** Dangit, I was all set to call Bruce Spence "Mr. Trilogy-capper" being as he was in Matrix Revolutions, will be in Star Wars Episode 3, and was to be in Return of the King. His scenes are cut? Shit! Glad I read it here first or I'd have been thrown good in the theater. They need to sell DVD editing machines so we can cut out the shit we don't like in the Expanded Versions but keep the two or three good scenes that should have been in the theatrical cuts (mainly the Faramir flashback).
Extended cut. by Route66	Dec 19th, 2003 01:56:12 PM
I came back from seeing ROTK last night.I felt angry.That is the only way i can describe my feelings after seeing the film.Now,I had heard that the multiple endings dragged on a bit.That did not bother me before i saw it,after all,the more time I can spend in this world watching the conclusion to the best cinematic experience i have ever had ,then the better.I think FOTR is near perfect in its theactrical form and even better in the extended cut.Its just a marvel of film making and a joy to watch.The same almost goes for TTT though i did feel the extended cut improved greatly over the theatrical cut,just adding a bit more warmth and narrative flow to what was already a stunningly good film.Now ,while watching ROTK my I was overwhelmed,maybe i still am.I have never seen imagery like it.I have never heard a soundtrack that fits so beutifully to the images on the screen.I have never seen ANY of the actors do any finer work on any other film.Basically what i am trying to say is that i loved it.I loved NEARLY every minute of it,all apart from about 15 minutes if it.The last 15.or 20,i cant remember really.If it had ended on the rock when the eagles picked them up followed by a small montage and narration by Blancette i would have been left stunned and in awe and i would not have left my seat until the credits had rolled.As it was i was the first person out.I really could not believe the amount of sugar heaped on these ending.Aragorn being crowned , looking clumsy and betraying the image he has garnerd in all films right up until this horrible seen just gave me such a sick feeling in my stomach.Sam getting married,after a powerhouse performance which would have left a beutifull lasting memory of Sam carrying Frodo up the sloaps covered in dirt and sweat with a passion in his eyes.Instead I am left with sickly sweet image of him at his wedding.I dont want to go into the other fifty or so endings becuase its just making me angry,though i did love the ship to the grey havens part,it was genuinly moving.So th extended cut.All of the stuff in the AICNDU post sounds fantastic.But Peter Jackson,for the love of god please do not extend the ending,please trim it.I cant beleive i am saying this about a LOTR's film.
Route66, you whore of Hollywood. by Jean Racine	Dec 19th, 2003 02:05:40 PM
~nt~
No WETA? by zacdilone	Dec 19th, 2003 02:24:02 PM
Tell me it ain't so.
Re: ROTK EE by alvinsimadeer	Dec 19th, 2003 02:41:19 PM
I hope the thing about New Line not wanting to spend too much money on the extended edition is untrue. That's both unjustified and well, quite frankly, a smack in the face to the people who are making them billions of dollars. But it says its a rumor, an AICN one at that, so I wouldn't believe it until we hear otherwise. As for this stuff, all of this sounds really sweet, adding both cool new stuff (God, the Gandalf-Witchking stuff will rock) and expanding what is there, such as the Arwen stuff (I quickly forgot about what Elrond said to Aragorn about her). And I forgot how the Mouth of Sauron throws out Frodo's vest claiming he is dead. This guy is right, that will completely change the dynamic of the last battle when Aragorn says "for Frodo!"
New Line Better by LordCrispy	Dec 19th, 2003 02:48:53 PM
Let WETA fuckin do the effects. Now that they made their money they want to pull out and go cheap? What a fuckin way to ruin this shit. If they do this they will pay. Not only is WETA compentent, they worked hard and deserve it. What a way to shaft someone in the ass.
It's not a stereotypical one, but isn't Viggo Mortensen's accent by Vegas	Dec 19th, 2003 02:52:55 PM
It doesn't sound British, or Aussie, or Kiwi or what have you. It's just a very nondescript American accent that happens to not call attention to itself (possibly because of all the time he spends speaking Elvish, which just makes his natural accent sound Elvish as well).
Thanks.Jean. by Route66	Dec 19th, 2003 02:54:10 PM

SAVE ME JEBUS!!! THE ROTK EE SHALL FURTHER POSSESS MY SOUL!!!!!! by Johnson McGregor	Dec 19th, 2003 03:07:15 PM
I shouldn't have read that. That added stuff is just going to cement this film's godliness!@)$( I cannot fathom waiting 11 months for that!!!!!
The Scouring Must Make The EE by Alkohal	Dec 19th, 2003 03:16:42 PM
The scouring of the shire must make the Extended Edition it has to, It would be a mishustice to not do it. I can live without it being in the theartical version due to him wanting the happy ending, but damnit I want to see this realized on film.
WETA! WETA! by Ioreth	Dec 19th, 2003 03:32:02 PM
they SHOULD let WETA do it! IF this rumour is true - a STUPID STUPID STUPID move by New Line ... IF true - internet uproar anyone???
I haven't seen RoTK yet, but it's obvious Jackson still doesn't by rev_skarekroe	Dec 19th, 2003 03:59:22 PM
No Witch-King vs Gandalf? No Saruman? No Mouth of Sauron? It's just like the last two flicks. Jackson cuts out the parts that really matter (Faramir, the song of Beren and Luthien, Galadrial's gifts, etc.) for useless extended sequences of people jumping over stairs and elves recapping what we've already seen. What dull and pointless scene did he leave in this theatrical cut? Lots of shots of Arwen pining away? More Dwarf tossing jokes? If I wasn't an impatient man I'd just wait a year for the DVD. sk
Awright! Sounds great to me! by morGoth	Dec 19th, 2003 04:09:43 PM
The "Real Editions" as I like to call 'em. Let the howling begin and the bleating of the sheep commence. I think the RoTK EE will probably need the extended treatment less than Fellowship or TTT. I'm doin' a Homer J. SImpson happy dance on this one!
rev_skarekroe by MiserableRainGod	Dec 19th, 2003 04:12:34 PM
Hey Rev, how're ya doin? In this movie, we have plenty of time wasters that really drag and steal time away from things needed to go in. We get shot after shot after shot of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum climbing that stairs of Cirith Ungol. We got so many shots of this, that the Shelob battle happens 2 hours into the movie. And btw, she isn't scary, and Sam's battle with her is over before it begins. She runs away, barely scratched. Ooohhh. Anticlimactic, it was in spades. The Nazgul in this film are also pretty tame (though their fell-beasts are very cool), and their witch-king is killed in about 2 seconds and no one in the audience gave a damn. Anyway, I see it again tonight at a more decent hour of the day, maybe I'll like it more. Maybe it will give me an emotional response, unlike my first viewing. RainGod out.
Smooches Latauro! And Happy Birfday Miami by elanor	Dec 19th, 2003 04:12:38 PM
What great news to receive on your birthday! Go you!
Nobody cared when the Witch-King was vanquished (and in a manner by JTylor	Dec 19th, 2003 04:20:35 PM
In both the screenings I attended, Eowyn got applause. You saw it with a sad, sad audience Miserable Rain God...
morGoth - I disagree by MiserableRainGod	Dec 19th, 2003 04:22:43 PM
Hey there. I think that ROTK needs the extended treatment MORE than the other movies. As I watched it, I couldn't help but think that Jackson left too much to squeeze into the final film. Everything suffers because of it, in my opinion. It's all rushed, though his horrible pacing makes it all drag. There were a ton of scenes which were alluded to in the movie, but we never saw, and I think they were needed to give this movie some heart. Pippin befriending Faramir. Gandalf vs Witch-King. Merry befirending Theoden. More nazgul evilness was needed in general, to make me care when the witch-king meets his end. The fell-beasts were great, but the nazgul who rode them were tame and lame, and their ultimate evil did not shine through at all. Shelob needs to be erased and made, I don't know....scary?? Climactic?? I got zero chills down my spine from this movie, and maybe 1 tear in my eye. All flash, no heart, and too dragging. I felt like, on a whole, ROTK's theatrical cut was just an long trailer for the extended version, which might actually instill some emotion in me. Flame away! RainGod out.
JTylor, I hope you're right by MiserableRainGod	Dec 19th, 2003 04:37:06 PM
I'll see it again tonight. Hopefully I'll like it more. I first it at a Tuesday 12:01 showing, and I thought it would be full of movie geeks who'd cheer and cry. I certainly wanted to. But maybe we were all tired movie geeks...ROTK didn't touch me in any emotional way, until the reunion scenes at the end, and I was very, very disappointed by that. I never felt an excited (or frightened) chill go up my spine. Partly, I blame the music. It was composed wonderfully, but its use was uninspired and not-at-all-emotionally-stirrin g. It was a rehash of theme-music from the previous 2 films (where I loved the music and its use). My exception is Pippin's song, which blew me away. And as for the geeks in the audience...people laughed as ending 4 popped up, and they just got up and left the theatre for ending 5. I love Peter Jackson for what he did with LOTR, but I'm not going to blindly praise him. This final installment was flawed and disappointing. And that's just one RainGod's opinion. Like I said, hopefully I'll feel differently after my second (more awake) viewing tonight.
Yanks and Limeys by LewMoxon	Dec 19th, 2003 04:43:11 PM
Name a recent blockbuster without an American accent? I don't recall any Americans in either of the Harry Potter movies, and both were highly successful (I belive the 1st film broke $1 billion, worldwide). Personally, I don't understand this particular peccadillo with accents. Would you have been happier if Sumpter did Pan with a lousy Cockney accent or a bad Liverpool lilt? I'll tell you what, you get over an American Peter Pan, and I'll get over a British Bruce Wayne. Deal?
Flux Capacitor by Phildogger	Dec 19th, 2003 04:50:02 PM
Thats what we all need, is for Peter Jackson to go back just 3 months, and tell himself that 1) we dont need any more Liv Tyler, 2) Christopher Lee NEEDS to be in this film. 3) The ending is 10 minutes too long. Btw, I saw this on a Friday afternoon, and never in my life have i seen so many geeks in one room! Guys, if you are gonna go see this movie with your best friend (Also a virgin, I bet), for the love of GOD, Leave the sweatpants at home. Repeat, LEAVE THE SWEATPANTS AT HOME!!!! End Rant.
The Scouring by zacdilone	Dec 19th, 2003 04:54:11 PM
My understanding is they didn't even shoot it.
L'Auberge Espagnol by Bold	Dec 19th, 2003 04:55:03 PM
Just go and watch the spanish apartement!!!! Good time!!!!!
What does your heart tell you? by DocPazuzu	Dec 19th, 2003 05:15:33 PM
There is absolutely no way the rumor of New Line being reluctant to foot the bill for an ROTK EE is true. These films have made obscene amounts of money and the DVDs have been big sellers as well. Any amount they spend on the EE will with all certainty get a huge return. If there's one company which is synonymous with quality products when it comes to DVDs, it's New Line. We will all be slavering that midnight sometime next November when it hits the shelves. Rest easy.
The Scouring of the Shire was not even filmed by Splicer	Dec 19th, 2003 05:23:01 PM
...so it will not be in the EE. The actual shot of Saruman falling was done some time ago. Completed, but not included as the whole scene was deleted. Mouth of Sauron: The Mouth tries to play mind-games with the heroes. In fact, they do NOT believe him. The scene has a cool pay-off which I won't reveal. Then the Orcs come. Eomer does bawl in the trailer, but the person he is cradliing is NOT Gamling. Yes, there is a cool Gandalf vs Witch King confrontation. There are also some other cool things not in the released version. I don't see New Line putting corners with the FX. These films are going to make tonne of money. Why **** it up now? No chance. P.S. ROTK is one FUCKING AWESOME MOVIE! P.J. and Weta Rule!! Cheers.
Oh yeah, Master & Commander ain't bad either by Splicer	Dec 19th, 2003 05:29:22 PM
Bit of a boy's film but very, very well done. Attention to detail, scary battles, real sense of being on that ship. Cool film. PS I typed 'putting corners' above when I really meant 'cutting corners'. Cheers.
The book was not designed to be read in one 3hr sitting by Splicer	Dec 19th, 2003 05:41:22 PM
But the film has to be. Therefore the film cannot possibly follow the book exactly. There was never any 'Scouring' scene filmed i.e with the cast, dialogue etc. Could they slip in a couple of FX shots just to fill in the gap? Maybe. Can't see it working very well, though.
New Line should not even thing about farming out the effects! by Jon E Cin	Dec 19th, 2003 06:10:21 PM
If they do..i call boycot!haha seriously..fuck them! Weta deserves to do it and thats that.
Couple of things... by JimmyTheHand	Dec 19th, 2003 06:52:05 PM
I dont understand why Eomer would be SOOO EMOTIONAL over the death of Gamling, I dont even think they had a scene together. The one he must be weeping for is Eowyn who was hurt by the Witch King, its the only person he would feel that much emotion for. Also, WETA better be doing the effects for the EE!!!! I think NL would be smarter than to get some hack visual effects artists to do it.
LET WETA DO THE EFFECTS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! by the swede	Dec 19th, 2003 07:24:34 PM
What an absolutely horrible thought that New Line wouldn
Denethor's Palantir? by Luther007	Dec 19th, 2003 08:20:17 PM
Any word on whether Denethor's Palantir will be in the EE? I thought that he didn't make much sense in the theatrical version--no one knows what the hell is wrong with him. Sure he's sad about Boromir, but the Palantir scene is crucial for understanding why he's gone insane! Definitely happy to hear about the Aragorn/Sauron faceoff, I was really missing that from the movie. Overall I thought the movie was good, the ending WAS awkward though, too much slow-mo. Maybe PJ can fix it up a bit for the EE. Oh yeah, and what about Aragorn re-planting the white tree? damn there's so much I hope they include... should be like an hour longer....
OK, which of the endings do you cut? by FluffyUnbound	Dec 19th, 2003 10:27:30 PM
MAYBE Sam's wedding, since you seem him with his family in the "final" ending anyway. But you need Aragorn's coronation, you need to return to the Shire, you need to say SOMETHING about how Frodo feels when he returns to the Shire, and you need to go to the Grey Havens, and you need Sam to "be back". There really can be no discussion of this. If any one of these elements had been missing from the film, I would personally have burned every last print in North America at the head of an army of crazed freak-dorks.
Question: How was Super Troopers different from every other come by FluffyUnbound	Dec 19th, 2003 10:37:09 PM
Answer: I fucking actually LAUGHED at Super Troopers.
Viggo's "American" accent by kingnat	Dec 19th, 2003 10:57:00 PM
That's no American accent. That's a derived accent based on his Danish accent to represent the Nordic roots of the languages of Tolkien.
Farming out effects by kingnat	Dec 19th, 2003 11:26:41 PM
That New Line would cut corners with the EE DVD is quite frankly the silliest rumor I've heard, and when it comes to Lord of The Rings I've heard a few. But people need to cool it. Sure, there may be fx work farmed out to other fx houses (because it sure as hell was done in FotR, probably also in TTT, and I wouldn't be surprised if it had been done in RotK either) but that would be the decision of Jackson and Weta, not New Line.
Mouth of Sauron by Lavaman	Dec 20th, 2003 12:34:53 AM
The "Mouth of Sauron", in the LOTR Novels, is a Black Numenorean(A group of Numenoreans that worship Sauron), and the Lieutenant of Barad-Dur. The name "Mouth of Sauron" means that he is the one who speaks for Sauron. I don't get it, the description of "The Mouth of Sauron" in the Extended Cut, says he needs no eyes. Since he is a Human, he would need eyes, he is not literaly Sauron's mouth.
Thanks Splicer and Kingnat by elanor	Dec 20th, 2003 12:47:49 AM
I agree. It is amazing what some people will believe.*But what do you mean Viggo's Danish accent? He's American. He doesn't speak with a Danish accent. His accent in the film is what I'd call "continental" sort of slightly upper-class British.Lavaman: I guess we'll have to wait to see what the Mouth looks like.**Hey Splicer, you got any news about whether Denethor's palantir makes an appearance? Thanks in advance.
Cheapo ROTK FX? Yeah right. FUCK these stupid-ass bullshit inter by exit272	Dec 20th, 2003 12:56:44 AM
For chrissakes. New Line wanting to go bargain basement with ROTK effects? Willing to deliberately ruin the quality of their MOST SUCCESSFUL FILMS EVER? Yeah, and last week I did Paris Hilton. Come on people. We're supposed to believe that WETA, whose people have slaved over these movies for years, and who love these movies like their own children, would deliberately price themselves out of the market for the DVD edition of the last film? Or that New Line would balk at anything PJ wanted at this point? Puh-lease. These movies have been so colossal for the studio that Peter Jackson could march right into the office of the New Line CEO and say "I wanna fuck your wife." And the only thing the guy would say in reply would be "Pussy or ass?" Get a grip, people. The ROTK EE is in good hands.
Aragorn revieling himself to Sauron by exPFCWintergreen	Dec 20th, 2003 01:43:05 AM
This scence would have improved the theatrical cut more than any other single scene, in my mind.
must... see... parlay...! by djinnj	Dec 20th, 2003 01:57:16 AM
MUST! I'm already inserting its existence into my reading of the actors' performances at the Morannon! Already, I'm thinkin' "OK they all think that Frodo has been captured and is either dead or being tortured, and that they are all going to die horribly in the next twenty minutes." whimper
what could have been cut from endings? by captain_aubrey	Dec 20th, 2003 03:53:30 AM
Shorten the first reunion scene. No bar scene in the shire. No Sam's wedding. Trim the hugs, kisses and goodbyes at the Grey Havens. No slo-mo. Tightening the ending by 10 minutes would have prevented a lot of the laughter/groaning I heard in the theater tonight. Loved the film though. And now I know why Gandalf wasn't carrying his staff in the final battle!
I can't believe New Line may be considering chickening out on th by Oberon	Dec 20th, 2003 08:29:22 AM
Fact: The Two Towers EE DVD moved nearly 1 MILLION copies in the US ALONE on its first day. (The theatrical cut moved 9.4 million copies in its first 4 months). How could they not release an EE of ROTK? And yet: according to USA Today, New Line's Matt Lasorsa says "The triple-release DVD strategy may or may not continue for Return of the King." Mind boggling - and hard to believe. Moriarty is right: ROTK may benefit the most from an Extended Edition. In the end I have to think New Line will do the right thing - which is, after all, the profitable thing.
About New Line "chickening out"... by Latauro	Dec 20th, 2003 09:14:29 AM
My source made it very clear that this was the biggest "if" rumour of all. All of the other stuff he reported (on the EE scenes) is closer to fact, some of it he's seen with his own eyes. Is it likely New Line will go down this path and do the cheapo option? I don't think so. The source doesn't think so. And a lot of you don't think so. But that's what's being rumoured, and we're simply here to report it.
Thanks, Latauro by Oberon	Dec 20th, 2003 09:20:12 AM
I expect that once ROTK breaks the 1 billion dollar mark, whatever edginess the guys in accounting may be feeling will dissipate rapidly. If not I expect fan outrage will force it to happen - though, I hope, with WETA effects. The real question may be whether Jackson has time to do it, given how much of his time King Kong may be sucking up next year. In the end it just seems bizarre to contemplate having done EE with the first two movies and not the last one - especially given that it had the most material excised from its theatrical release.
Sorry MiserableRainGod, but I cannot oblige your request to fla by morGoth	Dec 20th, 2003 10:43:30 AM
Like you said
Thanks Latauro by morGoth	Dec 20th, 2003 10:45:59 AM

by simpsonite	Dec 20th, 2003 12:25:20 PM
Ian McKellen appeared on Friday Night with Jonathon Ross in the UK last night, and hinted that the EE of ROTK could be up to 5 hours long. Ross also questioned him about filming 'The Hobbit' to which McKellen replied that he hopes the film will be made and he can reprise his role as Gandalf. On a seperate note, I'm getting sick of people moaning about what's missing in ROTK theatrical. I'm a big fan of the books and can fully appreciate what has to be sacrificed in getting this movie down to a feasible running time. Can you imagine a modern audience sitting through a 5 hour film? Also with regard to the endings, I can't imagine the film without them. A great conclusion to a wonderful series, and anyone unmoved must have a heart of stone.
What Simpsonite said by Red Giant	Dec 20th, 2003 02:23:39 PM

My reaction... by Treadhead	Dec 20th, 2003 11:44:57 PM
NOTE: This post is full of SPOILERS!! I saw ROTK opening day with a very appreciative audience that clapped and cheered at all the major points (and moaned in dismay when Shelob stung Frodo). The biggest cheer was when Gandalf coup-de-tated Denethor. My own reaction was oddly subdued, for two reasons-- 1. I have an odd reaction sometimes with really great films (eg Aliens and Raiders of the Lost Ark) in that I am so overwhelmed that I can't take them all in on the first viewing-- it takes 2 or 3 times for me to get it. 2. I'm a Tolkien fan, which means I inevitably had expectations that inevitably were frustrated by PJ's choices on how to do things. This is where someone who hasn't read the books is at a distinct advantage. However, as the days have passed, I'm finding myself lingering more and more on the really good stuff in the film (Legolas and the oliphaunt, Gimli's reaction, the charge of the Rohirrim, the stunning Minas Tirith) and once I've seen it couple more times I'll probably come to terms with the compromises PJ made and understand how really great this film is. And maybe I can keep my eyes open when Shelob stings Frodo (I knew what was coming...damn near broke my wife's hand holding on...). Sorry, IMO, the spider rocked.
He by Runelord	Dec 21st, 2003 01:21:03 AM
Guys, come on, this is one thing they didn
Frickin by Runelord	Dec 21st, 2003 01:22:27 AM
Anyway, despair does funny things to people.
And just what the hell was wrong with Armeggedon? Seriously? by TheGinger Twit	Dec 21st, 2003 01:46:55 AM

Another scene I hope to see on the EE by Miami Mofo	Dec 21st, 2003 07:38:50 AM
is Pippin visiting Shadowfax in the Minas Tirith stable. I'm not even sure that they filmed this, but I sure hope so. The way that Shadowfax came to Pippin's rescue at the pyre by dropkicking Theoden. After my second viewing, I'm still not comfortable with that scene, so I hope that some sort of Pippin/Shadowfax "bonding" scene will better explain the kick, or rescue as I will now refer to it. *More importantly, the second viewing was GREAT!!!!!!!!! So much better than the first time as I was able to put the book-changes away in the file cabinet rather than having them cluttering up everything. SEEES (Special Extended Edition Expectation Syndrome) was still there, but fortunately to a much lesser extent -- however I must add that THIS ARTICLE DOESN'T HELP FIND THE CURE FOR SEEES, LATAURO! ;~) I still dislike Comet Denethor, and have thought of a slightly different end for The Steward of Gondor -- after Shadowfax rescues Pippin, Denethor, on fire staggers out into the courtyard, falls against the White Tree, which in turn bursts into flames. [Also, in Pippin's Palantir scene, I remember him saying that he sees the White Tree, so just add the words "in flames" if you desire.] I love that P.J./F.W./P.B. inserted the "...and the crownless again shall be King" poem in that Arwen scene. *Next viewing: Christmas Day.
REWRITE!!!!!!!!! by Miami Mofo	Dec 21st, 2003 07:48:36 AM
Boy did I ever butcher that third sentence. Please combine the third and fourth sentences thusly: "I'm still not comfortable with how Shadowfax came to Pippin's rescue by dropkicking Denethor, so I hope that some sort of a Pippin/Shadowfax "bonding" scene is included in the EE to better explain the kick, or rescue as I shall now refer to it." Thank you.
REWRITE - TAKE TWO!! by Miami Mofo	Dec 21st, 2003 07:58:12 AM
Duh, of course I meant how Shadowfax dropkicked DENETHOR (not Theoden). Silly me. ***Speaking of Theoden, Bernard Hill's delivery of Theoden's speech before the charge of The Rohirrim just kicked ass. Unfortunately, I thought that Aragorn's speech before the Black Gate was kind of pale in comparison, but I did like it more this time around.
Not as bad as I thought by Miami Mofo	Dec 21st, 2003 08:01:57 AM
I see that I did correct my Denethor/Theoden mistake in the first rewrite. Whew.
Makes sense to me Rune by morGoth	Dec 21st, 2003 09:20:57 AM

Gaffer sends scowl to Miami at The Golden Perch! by morGoth	Dec 21st, 2003 09:27:57 AM
Bosh and pifft Miami, why d
Only three days Conan...hang in there mellon, it's worth the wai by morGoth	Dec 21st, 2003 09:30:14 AM
Conan, don't know if yer lurking but trust me in that our fav chapter, The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, gets the uber-royal treatment and you will be happy, happy!
"Gandalf went to the door, and there he turned. 'I am in haste, by Miami Mofo	Dec 21st, 2003 09:55:57 AM
"'Do me a favour when you go out. Even before you rest, if you are not too weary. Go and find Shadowfax and see how he is housed. These people are kindly to beasts, for they are a good and wise folk, but they have less skill with horses than some.'" *'Shadowfax whinnied as Pippin entered the stable and turned his head. "Good morning," said Pippin. "Gandalf will come as soon as he may. He is busy, but he sends greetings, and I am to see that all is well with you; and you are resting, I hope, after your long labours." Shadowfax tossed his head and stamped.' morGy, the "bonding" doesn't have to happen at the stables - it could happen during the ride, but I saw no evidence of that happening in this, the theatrical cut. **Another thing I hope to see is an explaination for on the EE is why Pippin was along with Gandalf on Shadowfax when they rode out to save Faramir's retreating Osgiliath forces from the Fell Beast riding Nazgul. Because he was already at the stable "bonding" with Shadowfax, perhaps? ;~)
Extended ROTK = Chinese water torture + H20 by Sea Bass	Dec 21st, 2003 01:05:13 PM

Hmm, the great hosing continues by djinnj	Dec 21st, 2003 04:13:59 PM
A few of us are wandering over to the Beaks interview that has most recently dropped off the board. 'Tis quieter there, and shorter. Course, it's hosed too!
Peter Pan soars!!! by Cartoonist	Dec 21st, 2003 04:48:50 PM
Having seen 'Peter Pan' yesterday down her ein Oz, I have to wonder what your beef is? Okay, so I don't mind PJ Hogan's films - but I've also read three or four different versions of Pan, a couple from JM Barrie and other retellings... and this one rocked! As for the US accent - yes, news for those of you who live in what must be the centre of the known universe - it does get boring hearing the Americans invade everything. But in this context, where Pan is so different to everyone else in the film, I think it worked. The actor had just the right degree of impish delight! Hook was superbly played (okay, so he did come across as Lucius Malfoy in a dark wig sometimes) but Richard Briers as Smee was superb. The sets were stunning, the story telling captivating. Not quite 'Harry Potter', but way above the fare that parents have as alternatives to drag their kids out to these days. The oddest thing for me was, having just identified mermaids as being potentially evil, we see that each of the web-clawed wonder sis Asian in appearance? What's with that? One last adjoiner - as a gay man, if I had raved about how attractive the actor who played Pan was (eg. "every 12 year old same-sex attracted lad will want to fly off the walls with the hunky young Peter in this film") I reckon I may as well paint 'Paedophile' on my forehead. To most of us, someone that young just looks pre-sexual... they're children for God's sake. How come different rules apply when straight men go all 'Lolita'?
I agree with Simpsonite by kingnat	Dec 21st, 2003 08:29:12 PM
And just to clarify; I meant Viggo's "Danish" accent. (I've never heard him speak English with a Danish accent, but he is fluent in Danish as a language)
gandalf staff etc. full of spoilers by frodo-lives	Dec 21st, 2003 09:38:08 PM
Evidence that the rumours about the Witchking breaking Gandalf's staff are true: - Gandalf doesn't have his staff when he goes to save Faramir. He has to borrow a pike from one of the soldiers and physically knock out Denethor, while Pippin gets Faramir off the pyre. Had he had his staff, putting out some flames should have been peanut for ole fire-spirit Gandalf! He doesn't have his staff at the council or in the final battle either. Though he regains it before the Grey Havens (why???) And he starts to look old and worn rather than shining with inner energy -right after that Pippin and Gandalf launch into their death speech. It does seem to come a bit out of the blue in the current version - I'm assuming that in the EE Gandalf will tell Pip that his time in Middle Earth will now end soon. It also provides the motivation for Gandalf leaving at the end (which remains a bit unexplained) - from this point on, Aragorn takes charge and Gandalf becomes a bystander - both in the council scene and in the final battle - It will also hugely increase the impact and significance of Eowyn (and Merry) killing the Witch King I loved the ending as it is. Hug scene is lovely - need some time to dwell on the bright side and have Frodo realize his achievement and the Fellowship be reunited -Sam's wedding is necessary not only because he reminisces about Rosie in what he assumes will be the last minutes of his life, but also because it provides part of the motivation for Frodo to leave: with his best friend engaged in another and stronger relationship, he simply feels lonely which adds to his difficulty to reconnect - Grey Havens scene is too beautiful to cut out any of it - personally I thought the hugging could have lasted forever. But hey, that's me - just gealous, I'd like to be hugged by Frodo too! ;-) -Sams return home is also necessary to wind up the story true to the spirit of the book -it's great that the film follows the book in breaking out of the narrative cliche of ending with a big bang and everyone living happily ever after. In the end it's that which makes LotR stand out from everything else in the genre - and makes it emotionally real and relevant. As Viggo put it in a recent interview with Empire magazine: question: "Why do you think Rings has been so successfull?" Viggo: "Because it's a true story" Go Viggo! The rumours about robbing the EE job from WETA have got to be nonsense- though they did farm out some of the DFX work to other companies in the other two movies already - eg to Oktobor, another Wellington-based company my 3 cents cheers, and sorry for babbling.
formatting by frodo-lives	Dec 21st, 2003 09:41:41 PM
does this thing have html formatting enabled?? should have used it in my previous post. Sorry guys
well it obviously doesnt (nm) by frodo-lives	Dec 21st, 2003 09:43:07 PM
:-(
farming out the FX by docmem	Dec 22nd, 2003 12:18:20 AM
A more plausible reason for this rumor: isn't Weta Digital currently gearing up to begin production on KING KONG? I can't imagine that New Line would second-guess Peter Jackson after he just made them $2 Billion (and counting), but it might be pretty hard to juggle that kind of workload, and it might be necessary to farm some of the shots out to other shops. This isn't exactly unusual: ILM, Digital Domain and lots of smaller shops toss each other their overflow work all the time...
I've a feeling that most of the fx are done already by djinnj	Dec 22nd, 2003 01:32:15 AM
Not just 'cause Kong is coming up fast, but because they were cutting to the last minute. Most of the extras we'll be getting were probably cut from the theatrical release fairly late in the process and only need a little more work (if any). They've still to do the revised scoring, though.
LOL! by Drath	Dec 22nd, 2003 07:47:08 AM
Ass theLastVamp, you crack me up!
Gonna have to disagree with a few things there by spideyman1218	Dec 22nd, 2003 10:59:49 AM
The bar scene in the Shire was totally necessary. Our heroes go from being bowed to by the most powerful man in the world to lost among the hype of a gigantic pumpkin! It shows that they saved the world and got nothing for it....extremely touching in my mind.
Hosed? by Elaine	Dec 22nd, 2003 01:35:04 PM

SPOILER SPOILER by brassmonkey48	Dec 22nd, 2003 09:27:08 PM
Frodo and Gollum going over the edge and that one last "oh no, Frodo's dead" moment...that is what sucked the most for me in ROTK. Did anyone else loathe this part as much as me? I love the movies, including rotk, and i love the books, and i understand that cuts and sacrifices had to be made for the film, but jeez...this part blew. It just felt like PJ had to have that one last stupid scene in which the audience gasps because they think their hero has been killed. All this other stuff being cut is dissapointing, but i know it'll be in the EE, but this added crap got on my nerves. Nevertheless, I still loved the movie, seen it four times now. (free movies for me for being an employee)
ILM should do the effects... by MisterGrimloch	Dec 24th, 2003 01:45:00 PM
then, maybe for the first time in this trilogy, the effects would not be so blatantly fake in their appearance.
wouldn't it be Theoden who Eomer is crying over? by Niphredil bloom	Jan 1st, 2004 12:06:44 AM
I've read in the comments speculation that it could be Gamling or Eowyn who Eomer weeps over in the battlefield, but wouldn't it make more sense that he's crying over Theoden? Eh well, as for this rumor over effects; I'm glad there's the EE of ROTK to look forward to, and as PJ has seemed pretty damn eager about ROTK's EE in interviews, I'm sure he'll make sure the quality of it is as excellent as that which he's maintained so far.
Peter Jacksons Return of the Jedi by badboymason	Jan 18th, 2004 08:19:53 AM

Peter Jacksons Return of the Jedi by badboymason	Jan 18th, 2004 08:25:52 AM
As much as we all slag off ROTJ, the ending is much better paced than ROTK. If jackson had directed it, we would have had Luke talking to the ghosts of the Jedi for ten minutes. Fade out as music swells... Cut to Han/Leia getting married, the music builds, we think its ending...we see Luke don the robes of a Jedi Master, and begin training new students, for 5 minutes...this must be the ending. But no, now we cut to C3PO and R2D2 back on coruscant, wandering around talking about their adventures for 5 minutes, making some cod-philosophical point about the meaning of the trilogy. The film finally ends 20 minutes after it should have. Lucas cant make a film as good as Jackson, but at least he knows how to end them...
Peter Pan can have an American accent if they want by Nazzim O'Bazzim	Jan 18th, 2004 05:49:14 PM
I would assume that Neverland links to anywhere in the world, and that England wouldn't have a monopoly on its access. The Lost Boys are probably a very global bunch.
Hose test (he wearily intoned)... by Skyway Moaters	Feb 12th, 2004 12:21:32 PM
Alakazam! Treg... ah what's the point? I'm off...
One more time? by Skyway Moaters	Feb 12th, 2004 12:23:27 PM

raw_bean heart Runleord! by raw_bean	Feb 21st, 2004 06:45:00 PM
:)
Oh, go away, Bean by Elaine	Feb 27th, 2004 08:53:10 AM
Please. This is occupied territory. :-)

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