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Affleck showing his true colors of mediocrity by JAGUART	Dec 11th, 2003 06:54:10 AM
"I see the time for honoring yourself is finally coming to an end, Your Lameness" Has this guy ever had any classical training or done theatre work?
Philp K. Dick's stories are not about "shit blowing up good" ... by godoffireinhell	Dec 11th, 2003 07:11:59 AM
Mori said it pretty well in his afterword to the post. Hollywood needs to stop taking a few ideas from one of his stories and turning it into a dumbed down, silly, macho action flick. PKD's stories are intelligent, philosophical and challenging. They are not about surface values. So far the only film that kind of got it right was BLADE RUNNER, even though the film strays widely from the original novel DO ANDROIDS DREEM OF ELECTRONIC SHEEP.
Affleck in Jay&Silent Bob Strike by devanjedi	Dec 11th, 2003 07:28:55 AM
The Affleck & Damon scene in Jay &Silent Bob Strike Back is so true it hurts. Reindeer Games? The guy is wasting his talent (yes, I said talent- I will stand by him through thick (JLO smirk) and thin)
At this pace... by Octaveaeon	Dec 11th, 2003 07:33:53 AM
if those fuckers touch "The Man in the High Castle", i'm busting some caps. Fucking idiots.
Poor Phil K. Dick, poor John Woo by Daddylonghead	Dec 11th, 2003 07:42:36 AM
"'plasti-metal' props slapped onto 'techie-future' looking locations'"...yikes, I know exactly what you mean. Saw some of that in the trailer. Face/Off was cool; what the hell is Woo's problem? Why does he keep making shitty movies? MI:2, Windtalkers (snigger)... the list keeps growing.
read the story a couple of months ago..... by Orange Crush	Dec 11th, 2003 07:59:38 AM
...before I even knew it would be a movie. I heard about the pending flick,and I started smelling a rat. The story is too short, the items too few (7 in the story), and the future device idea too flaky, to allow for a full length movie. Maybe a 45-minute Twilight Zone or Amazing Stories short.
It's a John Woo film - it has to suck! by vikingkitty	Dec 11th, 2003 08:18:15 AM
Just the very fact that Woo's name appears anywhere in the credits of this film would lead me to think it sucks. Throw in the name "Affleck" to boot, and you've got a real piece of shit on your hands.
dont blame affleck... by Captain Katanga	Dec 11th, 2003 08:23:27 AM
blame woo. Hard Target, Broken Arrow, MI-2, Windtalkers, and in my opinion, Face Off: How many shitty films does he have to make before people admit that maybe, just maybe, he was a little overrated to begin with?
commen by purplemonkeydw	Dec 11th, 2003 08:26:47 AM
didn't even get past the first paragraph...you can't lambaste anyone with spelling like that...it's not even a hard word to spell...like lambaste for example. commOn...with an O!
this review was adequete by numberface	Dec 11th, 2003 08:37:33 AM
It had a lot in commen with othur reveiws on this sight in that the reviewer haz the riting skills of a sixteen year stonur. I read the script for Paycheque a long time ago and from what I'm reading here, there wasn't much in the way of rewrites on this lemon. I think films based on Dick's writing are definitely hit and miss. But isn't that the case with all writers?
I think John Woo should go back to Hong Kong. by Wee Willie	Dec 11th, 2003 08:39:21 AM
BOY DOES THAT SOUND RACIST. What I mean is, he should go back to his roots. Make a film with his old buddies about Hong Kong gangsters. Hollywood is NOT being kind to Mr. Woo's considerable abilities.
by garumphul	Dec 11th, 2003 08:41:14 AM
Seriously, though... the J-Lo thing aside... Ben really has been a good actor in a few good films. It's unfortunate for him that he has made dreadfully poor choices of material. I blame his agent.
PKD: The father of modern Sci-Fi by Raines247	Dec 11th, 2003 09:28:45 AM
I dunno about this review... I'm a diehard PKD fan, but honestly the only two adaptations that have given him justice were Blade Runner and Minority Report, and those were highly modified. The Time Viewer in the original Paycheck short story wasn't a viewer... I was a claw that reached forward in time and actually took those items. Knock on PKD all you want, but all the Non-Space Sci-Fi, and even some of the Space Sci-Fi has been coming from him for years. I liked the new Battlestar Galactica better when it was called "Second Variety" by PKD. I mean Jeezus the final scene was exactly the same!
Don't knock Dean Cain... by HotOne	Dec 11th, 2003 10:12:55 AM
I wish people would quit using Dean Cain as a analogy to bad acting. Dean Cain is GOD!!!!
Let's see, PKD writes thoughtful sci fi, Woo did great Hong Kong by Big Bad Clone	Dec 11th, 2003 10:13:49 AM
It's kind of like the a NBA All Star game. There's no chemistry so there might be a good shot, rebound, dunk, or block here and there but on the whole it clunky and it sucks. Then, some minor star player gets the All Star MVP (Giamatti in the case of this film). Chemistry counts more than big names but Hollywood remembers that even Batman and Robin made tons of money. So we'll continue to see more Schwarzeneggar as Mr. Freeze style miscasts so long people are foolish enough to herd into the cineplex. People just suck....
Ben's better than this... by viola123	Dec 11th, 2003 10:15:14 AM
... and he really needs to go back to what he knows. For a guy who loves nice dialogue as much as I "think" he does, why on earth does he continue to accept roles that demand he utter crap? I just don't get it. I think he is much better than the roles he chooses, and I have to think it's because he wants to get to a certain place within the Hollywood empire, but he's so losing respect in the process. I go back to Jude Law, who I just adore right, and he's not famous really. I mean, we all know him, but he's not a superstar, but he has become known through his work, his excellent work. For the roles he chooses and the films he's in. He doesn't do small films, but he doesn't mind taking the small, good part. I wish Ben would do this. I think of him in "Shakespeare in Love" and I know that he's a leading man now, and probably can't ever go back to being in smaller films, but better smaller, quality films than no films, or rather, no films anyone wants to see. I hate that he gets laughed at, but I join in sometimes too because the choices he makes, they're funny, in that they're so obviously wrong! And John Woo? Blech!!
Heads are going to roll at Paramount... by UnChienAndalou	Dec 11th, 2003 10:37:14 AM
It's been a disastrous year for the oxymoron Paramount company. What's-her-face has a reputation for playing it safe and adhering to formula at all costs, and this year it seems to have backfired. INDY 4 can't arrive soon enough as far as the check-signing honchos are conerned...
I've said this before... by Halloween68	Dec 11th, 2003 10:45:25 AM
Ben Affleck is not a leading man. He's pretty decent in supporting roles, especially in smaller, more independent films. But he can't hold a picture together on his own. He doesn't have the acting chops, the personality, or the charisma to do it. I really, really don't mean this to be negative... It's just that some people can truly sell a movie and some people can't. It shouldn't reflect on him as a person. I'm sure he's a great guy. He's just not the superstar everyone wants to believe he is. I'm sure the guy can, and will, have a really successful career as an actor. But the sooner he and his film producer friends realize this, the better. Heck, too, the guy can co-star. Take a step back, do another film with Matt D. Get away from these big budget Hollywood popcorn films. People will start taking you seriously again.
A Scanner Darkly by HeavenBoy	Dec 11th, 2003 10:52:02 AM
I am hoping that if and when they make a movie out of "A Scanner Darkly" it will be good..... it's one of my favorite PKD stories. I noticed from doing a Google search that Charlie Kaufman apparently wrote a script based on it......
Screw all you John Woo haters. by GravyAkira	Dec 11th, 2003 11:48:28 AM
This will be worth checking out because you are promised a few kick ass action sequences with Woo at the helm. And that goes for any John Woo action film. The Killer, Hard Boiled, and Face/Off, show the man some respect.
The Variable Man by ascah	Dec 11th, 2003 11:50:33 AM
I'm a big fan of PKD, but his short stories are a bit hit and miss. I read 'Paycheck' recently from a book of short stories and some of them are a bit ...well...poor... blame it on the drugs and dogfood eh. Paycheck is a good story, but even from the trailer it's fairly obvious that Hollywood has made considerable changes hoping for more mass appeal. Unfortunately bravery rarely exists anymore, I think someone should do 'The Variable Man' by Dick (a good story) and do a 'Memento' stylie job on it.
I agree - those who hate Woo must DIE! by HarryKnuckles2	Dec 11th, 2003 12:09:19 PM
The television spots for Paycheck kick ass! John Woo is the only director working in Hollywood who knows how to make a great action film. Robert Rodriguez use to know how to make action movies, but after three kids films he forgot. I'll be first in line for Paycheck, everyone not there can suck my windtalker!
Ben's like Alec Baldwin without the chops by Christopher3	Dec 11th, 2003 12:33:29 PM
Leading man looks, just not a leading man. Baldwin can pull off the character-actor roles, though. Don't know what Ben can do.
President Evil, I'll acknowledge the correct nature of your comm by vikingkitty	Dec 11th, 2003 01:28:53 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement about Blade Runner - it is one of the most overrated films of all time. However, I'm going to have to nominate "Apocalypse Now" as being the single most overrated film of all time.
Woo is the worse, most over hyped director ever, Hard Target...b by harrysoldout	Dec 11th, 2003 01:49:07 PM

Woo+Uma=good/Ben=bad by CuervoJones	Dec 11th, 2003 02:56:53 PM
maths
Woo by slone13	Dec 11th, 2003 03:09:47 PM
Woo is waaaaaaaay overrated. What American films has he done that weren't crap? And don't say Face/Off. Or anything else. Cause they were all huge letdowns. Though Hard Target was a guilty pleasure. The rest, crap.
Affleck sucks cock and J Lo should leave his no-talent ass befor by Lost Skeleton	Dec 11th, 2003 03:19:09 PM
The motherfucker actually blames their relationship for the bad press and box office surronding his movies. No, Ben, you have no fucking talent and if it wasn't for your relationship with the more talented Matt Damon and the over-hyped and over-rated writer/director Kevin Smith, your career would be dead in the fucking water. I would rather watch paint dry then see another promising film ruined by this no talented fucker. How you like dem apples, Ben. (And I refuse to say Bennifer becasue the sooner J-Lo realizes that she belongs back with Puffy the better her career would be because staying with this no-talented hack will end her 15 minutes of fame real quick)
The Bourne Identity is better by AlwaysThere	Dec 11th, 2003 03:21:11 PM
Matt Damon has always been a better actor then Bennifer.
Paramount article in L.A. Times by TheYoungLion	Dec 11th, 2003 03:28:30 PM
"Paycheck" sounds like it's more of the same for Paramount Pictures. There was a really great article in Monday's (December 8th) Los Angeles Times about Paramount and how it has become a pathetic shadow of its former self. It chronicles what happens when these big corporate conglomerates that own the studios put the bottom line above making quality films; and what happens when that philosophy permeates the entire filmmaking process. The interesting thing is that Paramount Pictures head Sherry Lansing is one of the few studio chiefs who actually has experience producing films. Unfortunately, she has bosses who care only about profit and increasing shareholder value -- which is how Paramount goes into projects these days. The article cited how some filmmakers -- including some who owe their careers to Paramount -- are eager to set their projects up at any other studio because they have lost confidence in Paramount's ability to make and market movies anymore. Ouch! Lansing even recently made the rounds to the top agencies in town -- studio bosses almost never "lower" themselves to setting foot in an agency -- in an attempt to convince the agents that Paramount is changing its ways. Anyway, it was a really interesting article. I recommend going to the website and reading it.
gratuitous use of quotation marks in review by Agent_99	Dec 11th, 2003 04:43:51 PM
But otherwise, sounds right on the money.
meh by Stay_Puft	Dec 11th, 2003 05:03:06 PM
I'm looking forward to this movie just like I'm looking forward to being ass-raped by a 6oo pound Samoan with herpes. John Woo sucks. Just because you put flocks of slow motion pigeons flying in front of the camera doesn't make your film poetic, pretty, artistic or whatever. And as for Ben Assfuck....the only acceptable role he's ever done is in Kevin Smith's films. Hope he gets skewered on a blunt and feces-smeared punji stick.
To those who think Apocalypse Now is overrated... by Yo Yo Man	Dec 11th, 2003 05:06:47 PM
Just wondering if you saw it on the big screen or on a TV. I saw it on video first, thought it was good but not great. But when I went to see the Redux, fucking hell, that's the best cinema experience of my life. Three and a half hours and I couldn't move. A bunch of trees explode, and the movie just doesn't get out of your face. You need the big screen and surround sound for that. I was almost checking over my shoulder for helicopters. I agree about Blade Runner being over-rated, but then, I haven't seen that except on TV.
Windtalkers was far from an abomination - in fact it was very un by togmeister	Dec 11th, 2003 06:05:52 PM
.........check out the DVD Director's Cut sometime, the movie deserves a kinder eye. The cinematography was gorgeous, the action fantastic and the music stirring. No really.
American movies suck... by UberSpectre	Dec 11th, 2003 07:21:59 PM
Why? Because everyone has become pussies in this country. We love kid movies like Elf and Finding Nemo but when it comes to bad ass director's who have made amazing action films we diss them. All you Woo haters, FUCK OFF. He kicks ass go watch Brother Bear or some shit and stop crying, action movies rock your ass and Face/Off kicked ass. I hope Paycheck does well in the box office so Woo can make more movies and I can I have something else to watch besides movies made for 9 year olds
windtalkers by speed	Dec 11th, 2003 07:30:57 PM
i`ve been a big woo fan for a long time, before he came to HoLLyWooD, but his career just keeps going down. I thought face off was a great cheesy HK action flick dressed up with Hwood technical brilliance. Nic Cage was especially enjoyable in his delivery and impersonation of travolta. very enjoyable if you take it for the cheese-fest it is. Woo`s HK flix were also cheesy IMO. BUT for anyone to say windtalkers is good is really...well...windtalking! talking out their arse! i have walked out on less than 5 movies at the cinema in my life. This was one of them. bad company was another. chris rock doing his ``don:t you touch me, I:m a black man`` routine for 3hours. and the other one is Carry on Columbus. Julian clary was great on tv and I love double entendres (sp?) but this was more painful than getting taken behind the tool shed by big Jeremy from cell block C. the most recent flick i almost walked out on was Charlies angles full throttle...i deserved it for even going.
Slagging off movies anonymously on a website? by Palmer Eldritch	Dec 11th, 2003 08:17:14 PM
yeah, sure THAT takes balls...
Fans of this PKD book should check out Arthur C. Clarke's recent by FrankDrebin	Dec 11th, 2003 10:04:17 PM
...about a viewer that enables you to see anyone, anywhere. It's about the end of privacy--and the end of secrecy.
I liked Windtalkers, too. by Osmosis Jones	Dec 11th, 2003 10:53:02 PM
A big, square, old-fashioned WWII buddies-in-combat flick with Woo's dazzling visual technique bulldozing over the cliches. Seriously, it is an underrated film. Paycheck has Affleck, true, but I found Daredevil to be surprisingly not-terrible, so who knows? It'll be more fun than Something's Gotta Heave, or whatever that crappy Nicholson thing is.
UberSpectre has said all that is needed on this topic... by GravyAkira	Dec 11th, 2003 11:11:47 PM
Anyone who has said Face/Off sucks probably didnt have the experience of seeing it in the theater opening weekend back in 97'. I feel sorry you. And on DVD it still holds up amazing. This talkback must be filled with teens too busy jacking off to The Matrix(which I love, along with the other 2). If you cant appreciate what Woo brings to the screen though, well I feel kinda sorry for you again. And Windtalkers did kick ass.
Official Philip K. Dick Web Site Online with Rare and Unseen Mat by koornick	Dec 11th, 2003 11:29:29 PM
The Philip K. Dick Trust is pleased to announce the launch of www.PhilipKDick.com, the official web site dedicated to the work, life and vision of the prolific science fiction author, whose stories became the films
HeavenBoy: A Scanner Darkly... by Mosquito March	Dec 11th, 2003 11:40:34 PM
I personally hope they never make it. At the moment, it's supposed to be some animated Richard Linklater piece of crap. If they really do THAT with my favorite novel, people will most assuredly get hurt. Some may even die.
Of course, this will suck. by Mosquito March	Dec 11th, 2003 11:49:31 PM
Why? Because, Affleck and Woo suck, and because Dick is near impossible to adapt faithfully. Steven Spielberg and Tom Cruise couldn't make a good Dick adaptation. And BLADE RUNNER and TOTALL RECALL both work, not because they're good adaptations, but because the writers and directors had strong visions of their own. The only filmmaker who has any business adapting the work of Philip K. Dick is Terry Gilliam. 12 MONKEYS and FEAR & LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS are all the proof you need. And, it's a fucking crime that he never got to make A SCANNER DARKLY. Now, we MAY get to see a stupid animated version, a la WAKING LIFE. That's something I am NOT looking forward to....
Still waiting for that original cut of Blade Runner on dvd... by pax256	Dec 12th, 2003 12:55:34 AM
My fav movie was the studio cut but for some reason they arent in a hurry to release it on dvd... That and the Fearless vampire Killers... Hurry up goddamnit! Getting sick of adding votes to amazons wishlist ;P...
C'mon people, Woo is done...ACCEPT IT AND YOU SHALL BE SET FREE! by super Cucaracha	Dec 12th, 2003 01:44:26 AM
You put Affleck into the mix and you will get the biggest shit storm of your lives. New name, same toxic roach!
With Affleck in it, It has to be a Turkey by The Merk	Dec 12th, 2003 04:39:01 AM
I don't even think I need to justify that statement.
wooooooooooooooooo ! by StevieDVD	Dec 12th, 2003 05:00:47 AM
The arguements over Woo's abilities as a director can be solved simply by making everyone watch all his Hong Kong movies and then all his American movies. I liked Faced/off but have to admit that compared to Hard Boiled or The Killer it just doesn't cut the mustard. Everyone should take a look at his first film with Chow- Yun Fat - A Better Tommorrow - to realise that Woo is an incredible director. I'm blaming the Yank studios for hiring a director for the talent he's shown in his homeland and then not trusting him enough to just allow him to make the kinds of films he's good at. Same goes for Jackie Chan, Jet Li and Chow-Yun Fat. None of these great Movie stars would have made any of the absolute dross they have made in America if they were still back home.
DO YOU HEAR THE TOILET FLUSHING...THATS THE SOUND OF AFFLECK"S C by Bong	Dec 12th, 2003 06:31:07 AM
Thats what he and that dumb idiot J-Ho get for bambarding us w/ their stupid nonsense...good riddance
WOO by shogunpoker	Dec 12th, 2003 06:53:58 AM
Windtalkers was a big disappointment, but choose any of his other films, hong kong or hollywood, and compare it to almost any action film that's come out this year. nuff said.
hey Purplemonkeydw by Bourne GreyElf	Dec 12th, 2003 10:51:44 AM
you remind me of the days when the simpsons was actually a good show...now I can't stand to watch it, its too pc now and doesn't push the envelope like the older seasons did. and don't be perusing my post for typos either!
oh, and bladerunner does suck ass by Bourne GreyElf	Dec 12th, 2003 10:52:58 AM
some of the most boring plot, visuals, and acting I've ever seen. ridley scott can go bugger himself with a replicant.
Affleck-bashing by DarthCorleone	Dec 12th, 2003 12:48:00 PM
I find it very amusing to read all the vulgarity-laden criticism of him on this site. It reminds me of Holden showing Jay and Silent Bob the Movie Poop Shoot website. If I could only remember who played that Holden guy... Oh, and Blade Runner rules.
Who care's about Woo? by buzzstorm	Dec 12th, 2003 01:29:50 PM
Paycheck sucks, why it is so surprising. Woo is overrated. Okay, we all like his gun sequences and his cheesy bird shots but what else? He's never been a champion at plotting - Face off? DUMB. Broken Arrow? DUMB. Mission impossible 2? Piece of crap. Windtalkers? Haven't seen it, never will. Combine this with Ben Affleck - the homme nouveau from L'Oreal - you got yourself a flop.
It's even worse than just the bottom line aspect. by SpikeTBB	Dec 12th, 2003 01:37:42 PM
Paramount being only concerned about the bottom line and sticking to formulas to avoid risk is bad enough, but I
by perryfarrell	Dec 12th, 2003 03:07:29 PM
all great hong kong stars get fucked when they come to america. donnie yen is the best example, john woo's a close second, i think. but shit, that's exactly what they've always wanted. hong kong movies are cool because they take almost-non-existant budgets and turn them into kick-ass action films.... but don't go praising them for their artistic vision - all they really want is to make a buck. hong kong is just as bad as hollywood in that way, only they haven't gotten it down to quite as much of a science yet. it's a simple formula: start on the streets of hong kong without anything, become involved in or make a movie to become famous in HK and make money, live an alright life but dream of stardom in america, come to hollywood, do crap but make more money than you've ever dreamed of, fuck lots of women and drive a ferrari. meanwhile movie geeks can enjoy the killers, iron monkeys and drunken masters that you made back when you had to actually work for a living, because god knows they're not enjoying anything you're making now. and you wouldn't have it any other way.
Great Spike by ascah	Dec 12th, 2003 03:13:10 PM
Spike Fucking great, I love you. The Pagan God of Hype, classic...realise the pagan god of anything is there to appeal to the root of your being, do not fight it...it will win...even if you try not to buy into it :) Unless of course you know this and want to buy into it and lap up every moment. It's possible to do this with films :) I love PKD and don't want to see his work dragged through the gutter. Like you said brilliantly I don't want them to 'mass- produce a cookie cutter bit of chum'. But they are shits and will do this anyway whatever you feel. Money...isn't it what everything's about nowadays :) Take what you want away from a film, read the books interpret the facts. Life is about choices :) You can make the dream happen if only in your own head :) We don't have to buy into their shit. it.
hmmm..... by Rev	Dec 12th, 2003 03:51:24 PM
is it just a coincidence that everyone who claims woo is a no talent hack always reference his american films. learn to read subtitles and then form an intelligent opinion.
rev by perryfarrell	Dec 12th, 2003 04:46:07 PM
that's the problem, all woo does anymore is american films. if someone used to make good movies, and stopped 10 or so years ago, that means they're done, and people have every right to make fun of them, imho.
President Evil by tequilaworm	Dec 12th, 2003 05:02:31 PM
I agree with you hombre. I had never seen Blade Runner and decided to get it on Netflix. I started watching it and fell asleep. I said to myself " man, you must be tired" watched it again the next day and fell asleep again. The same shit happened to me everyday for about 2 fucking months and I don't think I saw 30 minutes of it. Never finished it...CHEERS Amigo!
and by the way, WOO IS SLIPPING! by tequilaworm	Dec 12th, 2003 05:13:01 PM
CHEERS Amigos!
and blade runner by perryfarrell	Dec 12th, 2003 05:44:20 PM
was great. yes, it moved a lot slower than it could have, but if you really understand what's going on, it's great. it's people that complained about how 'boring' blade runner was that caused stuff like, oh i don't know, paycheck, to get made.
Where is Tomb Raider 3? by Tomiyama	Dec 13th, 2003 07:37:52 PM
Yep, Paramount had a bad year. Cradle of Life was good but dissappointing. Try harder on the next one. Shorter running time. not so convoluted plot, cool action, cool soundtrack like the first one, and fast moving movie.
PKD will blow your mind by rwcanada	Dec 13th, 2003 11:27:51 PM
I have read about a dozen of PKD's novels. His novels about topics like paranoia, memory, identity, work best as written works. The thoughts of the characters are more important than the actions. It's a shame the Hollywood bottom line turns these interesting novels into stupid action pictures. I'd prefer to see a more indepentent movie approach. Anyone who has seen D. Aranofsky's PI knows what a Dick novel can be like.
Poor John Woo... by Jon E Cin	Dec 14th, 2003 12:59:41 AM
Love his hong kong flicks...his american films suck cock. Looks like the crossover to american cinema has fucked him the wrong way.
poor Woo, oh and to you Woo haters with the attention span of ab by Blacklist	Dec 14th, 2003 01:36:18 PM
...who think the only thing he's done is be Hollywood's bitch and get the royal screw should check out Hard Boiled, then The Killer, then, Better Tomorrow, the sequel, then Once a Thief, then watch Hard Boiled again. Please.
But does he have a bomb in his ribcage!? by Stryder	Dec 16th, 2003 03:40:49 PM
That would make it all worth it.
PKD by ascah	Dec 20th, 2003 07:22:27 AM
http://www.philipkdick.com/new _actsofpaul1.html Thought provolking, intelligent, mind blowing. Somehow I don't think John Woos action romp Hollywood 'Paycheck' is going to do it for me.
Decent premise, HORRIBLE acting by FilmCricket	Dec 28th, 2003 02:44:09 AM
Can Affleck possibly make that stupid smirk after every line? This movie wasn't supposed to be a comedy was it?

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