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Aragorn fights the trolls! by Miami Mofo	Oct 26th, 2003 02:48:18 PM
Too bad he can't fight the ones who occasionaly hang out around here. *Thanks for the news, Lauturo. *Now that the World Series is over (Go Fish!) I think it's time for another of Quint's on-set LotR reports. [Hope you're reading this, Harry.]
Still Waters by Purple Prole	Oct 26th, 2003 02:48:29 PM
What they should do is change the 'group of non-annoying kids' to 'a team of Human Resources workers'. Then they could use the tag-line..... 'This time it's personnel'.
Freddy Vs Jason 2 by blair_271	Oct 26th, 2003 08:08:17 PM
There was talk of Freddy Vs Jason Vs Ash, but after understanding why Freddy and Jason were chosen to face off, I'm not sure Ash would really fit in. Personally, i'd be up for Freddy Vs Jason Vs Ash Vs Michael Myers Vs Pinhead Vs Chucky Vs The Leprechaun Vs Candyman Vs Jack Bauer but I think that would be pushing it.
Still no acknowledgement of the possible typo from last week... by Wungolioth	Oct 26th, 2003 08:10:41 PM
Was the miniseries talked about a Firefly or Farscape miniseries. Luaurto, please respond...
Sorry, Latauro by Wungolioth	Oct 26th, 2003 08:12:06 PM

Does anyone else think that PJ et al, by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 26th, 2003 09:02:42 PM
will have Aragorn move up a notch or 2 as a fighter once he takes on the mantle of the King and wields Narsil? He's pretty good now, but I bet he becomes even better once he gets Narsil/Anduril. Cheers.
Luhrmann's "Alexander" = DEAD by MaxCalifornia.	Oct 26th, 2003 10:03:23 PM
I'd be amazed if they have the balls to go through with making this movie. Whichever studio it is are probably shitting their pants after seeing that pic of Colin Farrell in Stone's version from a few days ago. Are they really going to hand over $150 million to make a "Been there, done that" flick? My guess = no. It'll be quietly announced in a couple of months that the project is "on hold", and that's the last anyone will ever hear of it.
The correction... by Latauro	Oct 27th, 2003 01:41:25 AM
Wungolioth: I did try to chase that up, but as it was only a notch or two above a rumour, this proved difficult. What I can tell you: nothing's confirmed, but it was undoubtedly Farsape and not Firefly. As for the talkbackers speculating about the next Freddy vs Jason flick, I like it! After a couple of films, I'd like to see Ash and Van Helsing team up to take on... er... who's left? They'll have obliterated the wolfman, Dracula and Frankenstein's Monster as well as every horror film dude... hm... Jack Valenti, maybe?
Possible Farscape miniseries?!? by raw_bean	Oct 27th, 2003 05:13:23 AM
That would be the best possible news, but I'm not too hopeful, I would have thought http://www.savefarscape.com would have reported that by now. They're quite pally with the Henson company.
As for Aragorn fighting a Troll, by raw_bean	Oct 27th, 2003 05:50:35 AM
I wonder when that is? In front of the Morannon, perhaps?
Yeah beanie, that's where I think it'll take place. by Miami Mofo	Oct 27th, 2003 07:28:59 AM
In fact, I think we've already seen the troll that Aragorn will fight -- one of the two that were used to open the Black Gate in T2T. Now there was a scene which really worked for me, despite the fact that the good Professor never wrote anything about 'Black Gate trolls' in the book. ***Meanwhile, how come whenever I see the word 'Morannon,' Stevie Nicks starts singing 'Rhiannon' in my head. "Morannon's where this fight'll take place; And wouldn't you love to be there..." OK, I'll stop. It's really to early in the morning to start singing 'Morannon' (to the tune of 'Rhiannon').
Would someone please shoot IAmNumberOne?... by Pontsing Barset	Oct 27th, 2003 01:10:50 PM
... and put him/her out our collective misery? No one but nihilistic dipshits gives a mouse fart in a hurricane about being first in a TB you f*#@ing moron.
The Flame of Westernesse! by morGoth	Oct 27th, 2003 06:15:10 PM
Dam right! You get those nasty trolls Aragorn! Oh, erm in the movie, of course. Ha, ha...all you purist (and you KNOW who you are!) better get used to the notion that the Mouth of Sauron is a blind Olog-hai who carry's The Eye of Sauron around on his back. Hey, it's a nice promotion from Black Gate Opener and involves a bit of travel so lets not be too hard on the lad. SPOILERS Wait, maybe this is the part where Shelob transmographicates into The Mouse of Sauron and scares the mumak into starting their fatal (fatal for Barad-dur) Morannon Stampede. Cool! Can't wait to see Pippin stabbing the Mouse of Sauron in the back of the knee enabling Aragorn to decapitate the monstrous rat. Wonder how much CGI (or maybe, MAYBE bigalittlature models!)will be employed to show the head sailing over the Morgai where it plops right in the top Mt. Doom causing Sauron's Eye Tower to fall into utter ruin. The Eye floats around after Aragorn kills the troll (O-h) then Legolas shoots it with an Arrow of Woodlanesse. With an ear shattering "BWEEEEYYYUUUUOOO-ploink!" the Reign of Sauron is ended, for ever and ever and ever. The Purist will howl but Jackson STILL has my support!
I know what u mean Latauro.... by AttackingClone	Oct 27th, 2003 07:50:52 PM
I've bought Buffy seasons 1-6 in the last 2 days, and i'm gonna get Angel 1-3 in the next week. it's a darn good special and too good a show not to have.
Thanks for the scoop, Latauro by elanor	Oct 27th, 2003 08:35:09 PM
I think I have decided to call a moratorium for myself on looking at any more spoilers. Reading stuff like this is ok but I think I'm going to try to avoid the pictures from now on. Gotta save some visual discoveries for the film itself! Hola mellyn!
I know what you mean elanor... by morGoth	Oct 27th, 2003 09:21:19 PM
...I may be re-thinking my "Spoiler Hog" menality this time around as the spoilers are coming fast and furious. Oh yeah, thanks for the bit Latauro!
ROTFL morG!!! by Skyway Moaters	Oct 27th, 2003 09:30:28 PM
... Hooo man! I think we all need to adopt a similar posting stance during these "latter days" ! Sorry so short, but posting from the palm is a time consuming drag!
God bless the queen c_of_b? by raw_bean	Oct 27th, 2003 09:32:03 PM
Since when is the queen in any way important to the UK? Pah, Royal family, drain on the economy, get rid of them says I!
Interesting theory Miami, by raw_bean	Oct 27th, 2003 09:36:52 PM
not sure I agree that it's likely though. Those trolls were all harnessed up like beasts of burden, I'm thinking something more like a troll all geared up for war.
Whoah guys! Check out TORN! by raw_bean	Oct 27th, 2003 09:55:25 PM
New ROTK posters, including two of the Witch King. Firstly they prove that the picture in the WK bio on the official site is accurate and up to date and not of the original WK (PJ had him done again, thought he looked too much like prologue Sauron), much to my disappointment, and the shot of a Nazgul on Fell Beast arriving in Minas Tirith to confront Gandalf while he still has Pippin riding pillion IS the WK, so no riding through the gates on a horse, with men falling back before him. :( Nice pitures though, with another of Shelob (don't see anything new since the trailer).
Hey Barstardo how's tricks? by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 28th, 2003 03:26:53 AM
Haven't seen you around for a while... I reckon Aragorn and Pippin will (okay might!!!) fight their trolls side by side at the Black Gate. Or Pippin might get to smite the Mouth of Sauron and thus draw level with Merry and I reckon Elrond will fight in the War of the Ring and Arwen won't. That's about all the crackpot theories I have right now... Cheers.
The Witch King poster... by morGoth	Oct 28th, 2003 05:52:51 AM
...is simply magnificent! I've seen that other pic so it's not a spoiler...nyah-nyah! raw_bean, I agree that's a Nazgul (looks like the WK all right) confronting Gandalf but that doesn't mean we won't be seeing something at the gate either, yes? Maybe Gandalf and Pippin appear to get killed here (snorf!).I'm still holding out for the gate scene though it may not be at all like the books. Bother...Well, I've warmed up to the WK's look and it IS pretty damned creepy. The whiskers though...the whiskers. Too bad Harry doesn't post much anymore about Lotr. I remember when movie posters would've had him exclaiming and singing Hosanna's in large caps and oodles of exclamatin points!!!!!!!!!
If you want those Buffy/Angel dvds... by Latauro	Oct 28th, 2003 07:32:48 AM
ElBastardo, I believe you can order them through ezydvd.com.au. I'm not being paid for my comments (unfortunately), so I'll give them the free plug. Also, the people I deal with are very pleasant. If you can play Region 4 and can't wait for your local release, may as well give it an order. Only problem is I've heard that the trade-off for us getting the dvds so early is that the Region 1 release gets a few more extras. Still, the Region 4s still have a bevy of commentaries, deleted scenes, outtakes, trailers, etc... We're not left wanting.
Old Man Willow's NINTH cousin on his Mother's side by Miami Mofo	Oct 28th, 2003 07:54:34 AM
Holy Cow!!! If you haven't already done so, you might want to check out that T2T SEV report over at TORn. Major spoilers included, so be warned. ***As for my subject line, I think it's quite clever for P.J., Fran and Phillipa to have included this incident in Merry and Pippin's adventures in Fangorn Forest. It will really bring home the message that the trees of Middle-earth are alive and dangerous -- just like the good Professor did in 'The Old Forest.'
That Witch-king 1 picture is so cool. by Miami Mofo	Oct 28th, 2003 08:07:39 AM
Thanks for the heads up, beanie. ***elanor, do yourself a favor and check out that pic.
The Mouse of Sauron by Sabster	Oct 28th, 2003 08:46:31 AM
and the Morannon Stampede.... thank you, morGoth, that post of yours really lighted up a depressingly dark october day (why can
I almost hate to get it started again, but...NEW SCENE TO BE ADD by mortsleam	Oct 28th, 2003 11:43:33 AM
Frodo sits in the bathtub at his new house in Buckland, smoking some pipeweed, listening to Miami Mofo's Bath Song on the radio, when in rush three Ringwraiths, carrying a small furry mustelid. Frodo: "Nice Marmot." Nazgul 1: "Giff us zee ring, Bagginz, or vee cut off your johnson!" Nazgul 2: "Jah. No funny stuff." Nazgul 3: "Jah. Vee're Nazgul. Vee believe in nussing!"
I am wounded with knife... by Sabster	Oct 28th, 2003 02:06:47 PM
... sting, and tooth, and a long burden. I can look back on a life of achievement. I have accomplished more than most hobbits. What makes a hobbit, Gandalf?
Where did everyone go, go ,go o,o,o,... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 28th, 2003 04:06:15 PM
... quite an echo in here, here here, ere, ere, ere... Silly me, I thought we might carry the "stimulating discourse" over from the last TE. Must suck at work for a bunch-o-folks today... SIGH. *** SPOILERS I just can't picture the 'time-lines' in PJ's 'Battle of the Pellenor'. I guess that Gandalf and Pippin get round Angmar some how to get to Rath Dinen and he flies off to deal with the Rohirrim? Doesn't this sort of preclude "the confrontation at the gate"? *** Took me so long to post this (half written and actually had to go do my job for a couple of hours) that the echo stuff probably ain't pertinent no more...
Not alone.... by djinnj	Oct 28th, 2003 05:54:57 PM
Hi Moaters! You are not alone (no one is alone, truly shades of Sondheim....). I'm here wasting time (instead of in class where I should be) because I was run off the road today by a box-truck making an illegal left turn from the median of a 3 (6?) lane highway. 3 hours later, car towed, no rental available, parental unit drops me off at school, where I decide to skip the class that's already half over and catch up on the LotR news. -- Y'know the Lincoln Center version of Trilogy Tuesday set for Jan. 10? Sold out in about 30 min. What will it take for marathons to appear financially viable to theater owners? Logistically, it's a pain (empty stomachs, full bladders), but since so much money is made in the concessions, I have a feeling that there is real money to be made. -- Also, I need some advice. I won that contest here for the mounted Nazgul months ago, but the things were backordered at Sideshow Toys, so I didn't expect to receive it (and haven't). At what point (now that they are no longer bo-ed) would it be polite to send a questioning email? I don't want to seem pushy or anything, but there's an empty spot on my bookshelf just waiting for it.... Thoughts?
When you work in a web development studio, it's a real bummer wh by raw_bean	Oct 28th, 2003 07:09:43 PM
How are you supposed to keep up with the AIC TalkBacks?!?
OK, what have I missed? by daughter of time	Oct 29th, 2003 06:24:59 AM
Just back from the Amalfi Coast, which was unspeakably beautiful despite much rain, which merely made the clouds that much more dramatic. Finished off with two perfect days in Rome, then (as if I hadn't been up for 48 hours anyway) we were rerouted to L.A. as visibility in San Diego was too bad for the plane to land, and bussed south from there. Ash everywhere from all the fires.... It was a bit unnerving to see all the horror from long distance (Europe) and not be able to get specifics. Meanwhile, it's been 12 days without computer (not altogether a bad thing), so please post links to anything particularly good that I've missed!
Welcome back, d.o.t.! by Devil'sOwn	Oct 29th, 2003 07:37:56 AM
Missed you. I'm glad to hear you had a good tip. You didn't miss much. We just hung around and bonded. It was a groovy, nurturing time, hehheh. Actually a little time away from the computer sounds like a good thing. Get some rest, and I'll talk to you later.
I love a parade (three, actually) on Dwarf-lord Wednesday! by Miami Mofo	Oct 29th, 2003 07:58:24 AM
Seven weeks (efe) until LotR:RotK!!!!!!!!! *"The Man in the Moon took another mug, and rolled beneath his chair; And there he dozed and dreamed of ale, Till in the sky the stars were pale, and dawn was in the air." *Welcome home, DoT. Must be a sad sight out there. Monday night's Dolphins/Chargers game had to be moved to Tempe, Az. because Qualcomm Stadium was being used for an evacuation point. Back in '75 I was in L.A. from May till October. I still remember the Santa Ana winds of October -- it was like walking outside into a blast furnace. Anyway, most of what you missed can be found over at TORn -- cool pictures from a Dutch (I believe) LotR:RotK photo-scenes book as well as an excellent report on the upcoming T2T SEV. Three little Elf weeks more, then we attack the store!!! There was also an interesting discussion on the previous tb (#16302) between greenleaf and others and finally, yours truly told another Gondor joke starring Ioreth and Ingold titled 'Meanwhile, back at the Tirith View Nursing Home.' Oh yeah, almost forgot, the Florida Marlins won the World Series, which leads me to ... "I love a parade" ... and Marlins had THREE of 'em yesterday here in South Florida and everyone played hookey. 'Twas a blast.
something to talk about? by mayaV	Oct 29th, 2003 08:08:34 AM
Those posters are awsome! Jesus Christ, they really are. *** Somthing to talk about? I don't know. I simply do have too much work to do for my politics class. I steal my time for TB from learning about the democratic systems of Europe and US. Damn it, but LOTR is much more interesting after all!
Well, I agree about the Frodo + Sam pics, c_of_b, by raw_bean	Oct 29th, 2003 11:03:35 AM
but I still don't like the Witch King's helmet. It should be more like a crown, if you ask me. What's that? You DIDN'T ask me? Oh well, it still looks too much like a crown. --- Apologies to mortsleam for this one, but I think he's seen the Big L more recently than me... Frodo: "Nice Loincloth." Gollum: "Giff us zee precious, Bagginz, or vee bite off your finger!" Smeagol : "Jah. No funny stuff, meister."
Bloody talkback order mumble grumble. by raw_bean	Oct 29th, 2003 11:24:37 AM
Welcome back D_o_T, hope you enjoyed yourself. To explain my last post, another thing you've missed was a series of LOTR/other-film hybrid scenes, which quickly developed into LOTR/The Big Lebowski hybrid scenes, though my efforts have been shamed by some by mortsleam, sabster, thecutestofborg, SkywayMoaters and others. Join in the fun, if you've a mind. :) ---- Just to repeat what I said on the last TB (after, it seems, everyone had left for this one), "I was wondering if any of you could recommend/warn me off the Encyclopaedia of Middle-Earth (I think it's by Robert Foster?) which I flicked through in my favourite bookshop during my lunchbreak.". Anyone?
Speaking of new scenes........Gimli jumps the shark????? by orson	Oct 29th, 2003 03:04:53 PM
It seems to have gone unremarked on this TB, but did anyone else fall off their chair at the report that the TTT SEV includes a new "joke" from Gimli about - and I'm not making this up - "squirrel crap"??? Now, I'm not going to get hysterical until I hear the line for myself, and this report could of course be a fake........BUT WTF!!!!! Yes, I know that George Lucas has paved the way for this kind of joke in fantasy epics, with Jar-jar stepping in poo and the giant aardvark farting.......but please God don't let Gimli actually use the word "crap". It's even more anachronistic than Frodo's "why do you run him down all the time (dude)?" Has PJ decided to assassinate Gimli's character once and for all?
Actually Orson., by Miami Mofo	Oct 29th, 2003 03:19:29 PM
Sabster mentioned the squirrel joke earlier in this tb when he responded to my 'Old Man Willow's NINTH Cousin on his Mother's side' post. I shall wait until I hear see and hear the joke before passing judgement, but I fear the worst. I had hoped that some jokes would be DELETED for the SEV, specifically "You could have found a better spot...", but now we hear there's more jokes (or at least one) to come. Ah well, I do like some of the other ones, particularly the whole bearded Dwarf women thing, so here's hoping that the new one(s) will be good, or at the very least, non-detrimental to the story.
hear see and hear by Miami Mofo	Oct 29th, 2003 03:28:30 PM
That didn't come out right. Should've been just see and hear. ***But Hear Hear for 'Whale Rider'!!! Rented the DVD last night. Very enjoyable.
'Bout time by Pallando Blue	Oct 29th, 2003 04:22:48 PM
Man, what a chore it's becoming to post here! [And if this double-posted my humble apologies.] I was PC-less again over the weekend, but the past 2 days I couldn't bust through to AICN for the life of me. Am I just impatient? Should I just keep hitting the refresh until it ctaches hold and loads up? It's just crazy how much this fat T3 strains to get anything going on this site only, every so often. (God, in a week I expect I'll be blocked out for, um, a week, when Matrix Revolutions hits.) * Hey, greenleaf, you still lurking about? I safely SQUIRRELED away an off-topic (TINTIN!) reply to you back at the last TB. Hosed to the top, natch! * I'm glad I saw the book pics before they yanked em! But TICKED I didn't get to save em before they got yanked. Have to scour the foreign-language galleries, see what if any escaped the publisher's wrath... * Witch-king posters, and no mistake! Innnnnntellestink photo-edit they did, making the Gandy-confronting Nazgul the W-k. But Schtupitt! Check out that shot in the DVD preview, and it's most definitely jes' another hooded fellow (Nazgul # 3-9, take your pick). So when was that choice made? Or p'raps just a dramatic reimagining for that poster? 'Cause we ALSO know that Grond is most definitely IN. We've seen the model, we've heard (of) the 25,000-plus rugby crowd giving the chant. (And I still hold that that videogame cinematic of Gandalf inside the Gate when it blows is a lift from the movie...) AND I still think it's too open-air to be the first circle of MT, going by all the other set shots. I'm still holding that that shot is on the top tier, an interruption as Gandalf and Pippin ("Shut the fuck up, Pippin" will never, ever get old) race to Denethor's ____. So, maybe it's the W-k for a brief re-match now, who knows. But that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Not that I'm emotionally invested in that outcome or anything, I just think it's still a possibility with everything else we know (GROND. GROND. GROND. GROND.). * I think Aragorn takes on a troll at Pelennor. There's plenty of em there, as seen on the preview's battle animatics, and if they're doing major damage to everyone who comes near em up to that point it'll make a hell of an impression if Aragorn jumps off his ship and kicks serious troll heiny. At the Morannon it'll probably be an ocean of orcs, eh all right, maybe a troll or two on the way, to plow through on his way to the Orifice of Sauron. But that's all just a guess, too. *** Gotta fly again (hiya, d.o.t.!) (and everyone else). I'll be back 'round tomorrow, that is if the site doesn't go all SQUIRRELLY again.
Went back to the old TB by Sabster	Oct 29th, 2003 06:12:28 PM
...to read Pallando
Sorry about that Sabster by Miami Mofo	Oct 29th, 2003 08:11:02 PM
I apologize for being presumptuous for thinking that you had Y chromosomes. :~) As for The Little Mermaid getting put back in her rightful place and your encouragement for everyone to visit Copenhagen, well I wholeheartedly agree with that! I had a wonderful visit back in '89. *"We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door;" That's what I will be chanting Saturday night when the Miami Hurricanes roll into Blacksburg, Va. to take on Pallando Blue's Virginia Tech Hokies. Watch out P.B., there's a storm brewing! [But please, have a safe trip to and from the game.] *Oh yeah, LOTR RULES!!!!!!!!!
Oh so interesting news from bottom of world. by Tinuviel70	Oct 29th, 2003 08:50:21 PM
It is well and proper Aragorn should fight troll since at last he gets Anduril. That is sounding like news for buyers of Aragorn Fighting Troll Action set,
What's the last scene in ROTK? by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 30th, 2003 12:19:22 AM
This is from Annie Lennox, who performs the song "into the West". "The dedication and commitment to the project is awesome in every way. The song 'Into The West' is hauntingly beautiful and emotional, which befits the final scene of the trilogy." So there we go I don't think "Well I'm back," will make it into ROTK... Cheers.
Conan_the_Uhoser, how's that for a name? by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 30th, 2003 12:22:19 AM
In relation to my previous post if anyone wants to check out where I saw this it's at; http://66.118.152.6/news.php?i d=2077. Cheers.
Dammit... by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 30th, 2003 12:23:57 AM
I meant Conan_the_Unhoser... Grumble, mutter, grumble. This may be my frist trilogy of posts as well. How underwhelming... Cheers.
All hail Conan the Unhoser, leader of this talkback! by raw_bean	Oct 30th, 2003 05:47:05 AM
Use your responsibility wisely my son. As one who ruled a TB in the past ("/display.cgi?id=16302#692682 "), you could do worse to look back at my example and follow in my footsteps. :) ---- C_of_B, Britney Spears is coming to London? Good job I live nowhere near it, and after my last trip down there (to see the LOTR movie exhibition, excellent by the way!) was so awful, I don't intend to go back down again (except maybe to catch the LOTR exhibition again before it leaves Europe!). ---- Pallando Blue, well observed about the Witch King/Gandalf poster, I think you could be right about it being just a mock up to make a good poster, and not actually how the scene is in the film. It DID just look like a regular Ulaire in the trailer (on the TTT DVD). Also, there are definately Trolls in front of the Morannon that Aragorn could fight, Pippin kills one, remember? Can't see them leaving that out. As for the Pelennor, I imagine once Aragorn arrives with the Gondorian irregulars the battle won't be shown in all it's gritty detail, I can see it being like the arrival of Gandalf and Eomer at Helm's Deep in TTT, where it's presented as this cathartic, emotional climax to the battle, with beautiful triumphant music, and Aragorn's arrival as a Deus Ex Machina, suddenly releasing all our tension in a moment of glorious triumphant joy. Or, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. :)
AWP! Pallando is right morG!... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 30th, 2003 09:20:17 AM
...just went frame by frame on the 'internet trailer' and there's no armour or helm in sight on that there Nazgul blocking the way to Rath Dinen! Good eye O Pointy head... er, HATTED one! *** Ain't speculatin' fun though morG?
Christ Orson... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 30th, 2003 09:26:51 AM
... you sound like you WANT PJ to have "assasinated Gimli's character once and for all". You're a 'doom sayer' man, and it's getting friggin OLD.
"Btw, I think Britney said she was planning to build a summer ho by raw_bean	Oct 30th, 2003 09:30:32 AM
If you'd seen the weather we tend to get up here in the North, c_of_b, you'd realise why I just fell off my chair laughing!
Happy Birthday, PJ! by Sabster	Oct 30th, 2003 09:35:22 AM
Cutest, I agree with you, they simply can
Now even CONAN is flinging the cursed T- word about ??!! by Pontsing Barset	Oct 30th, 2003 09:35:22 AM
...WHAT IS THE WORLD, er, TB, COMING TO??!! AAAAGHG. Must not taaake nasty ppppink and greennnn slimey thing out of safe. MUST NOT... SPLAT! HEEEELLLLPPP I canna' control it!
"Holy squirrel crap, Batman!" by orson	Oct 30th, 2003 09:37:17 AM
Sorry about that, I couldn't resist. Seems I just can't let the squirrel rumour go. *** Sabster, come to my arms! You had the Bakshi comic book too? Woohoo! I'm tripping down memory lane here! Like most kids I got a bit carried away and added my own "improvements" to the pictures. Unfortunately I did this during a class at school one day. The teacher confiscated it and NEVER GAVE IT BACK!!! Thief, thief, thief, Teacher - we hates it, we hates it, we hates it forever! **** Pallando, I am a huge admirer of Tintin, though I am uncomfortable with the racial stereotyping. All the same, the drawings and writing are brilliant - the english translation works very well too. Mille sabords!
Want to have mine, Orson? by Sabster	Oct 30th, 2003 10:20:26 AM
Only it
I'm sorry, but frankly I think that TTT SEV preview is a load of by mortsleam	Oct 30th, 2003 10:34:50 AM
It's easy to take one scene we know will be in, (ie, the drenched Frodo & Sam scene) and then add in a bunch of wild speculation. Phillipa Boyens said in the FOTR commentary that while nothing from the Old Forest and the House od Tom Bombadil made it into the movie, there was nothing to suggest it didn't happen. By having Merry & Pippin run into "Old Man Willow's cousin 9 times removed" they basically say it didn't. Plus, after runningn into one talking tree (Treebeard hissef) they run into another? Sounds a tad repetetive. And the squirrel crap line is just too anachronistic and out of character. Just has to be. I'll believe it when I see it, which will be in a little over two weeks! So what does Walrus J. Mortsleam hope to see in the SEV? The Ent Draughts, the tale of the Ent Wives, Gimli in the Glittering Caves, Sam and the dead Southron. Also, I'm hoping PJ goes back into FOTR and adds the scene just before Boromir's death, when Pippin knocks out a Uruk-Hai, then turns to Merry and says. Pippin: "I am throwin' rocks tonight!" Merry: "Shut the fuck up, Pippin, you're out of your element! The whole world doesn't revolve around you, you miserable piece of shit! Anyway Frodo, Dude, about this ring..."
As per Pallando's suggestion... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 30th, 2003 10:58:40 AM
... the Dutch publication ROTK pic are still available at the German site: Herr-der-Ringe: http://www.herr-der-ringe-film . de/v2/de/news/news-detail_651. php Take the space after 'film.' out.
Thanks, Moaters! by Pallando Blue	Oct 30th, 2003 11:48:58 AM
You beat me to the hunt! Good news/bad news on the link you put up, tho. Bad news is, there's a message there that they had to take the images down per PJ's request. The good news is, click on the Gallery link to the left, then the first item on that list, and find all the good ones (or at least many of the ones I remember) right there, big 'n' clean! AND a few more TORN never had! Guess what, purists.... The Houses of Healing are IN! A photo of Aragorn holding a passed-out Faramir's hand--evidence enough for ya? Also one of a grimacing Sam over the shoulder of a very surprised looking Gorbag (or Shagrat?)... thinkin' someone got themselves a nice new maggot-hole right in their kidney. (Do orcs have kidneys? Or does that open up too many other horrible speculations?) And another of Sam and Frodo, still in Orc-garb but sans helms, Sam trying to help Frodo to the top of a ridge. *** Oh poor vacation-less me, I've been told that I'll have more leave time left after Dec. than I can roll over to 2004. So I'm usin' em, dammit. And among the many dates and times I just secured over the next 2 months for escape from the desk shackles, was a seemingly random November 19th. On that day, of course, I shall be watching the SEVs back-to-back-to-back-to-back (it's 4 discs, ya know). Mini-marathon! A warm-up, of sorts. [Yep, to whomever it was asked, I am indeed a Dec 16th Tuesday Trilogy LOTR Marathoner!] Gotta get that butt in training! Goals: maintain circulation to the ankles over long-term sedentary situations, calculate maximum caffeine application via alertness-versus-bladder-over- time ratios, minimize muscle cramping and eyeball strain... Don't wanna pull a hammy halfway through Helm's Deep! [On screen, EOMER: "We cannot achievve victory through strength of arms." ARAGORN: "No, but we can give Frodo a chance." PB collapses into theater aisle, "AAIIIEEE, groin pull! Groin pull!" MARATHONER 1: "Poor kid, he almost made it." MARATHONER 2: "Yep, he should have stretched. Shame. Pass the Gatorade."]
mortsleam, I by Sabster	Oct 30th, 2003 12:11:11 PM
I have to admit I feel a bit like the Sorcerer
Aw crap Pallando... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 30th, 2003 01:40:16 PM
... I should have posted a link directly to the "Galerie". Here it is: http://www.herr-der-ringe-film .de/v2/de/galerie/allebilder/ alle-bilder-1_1.php Take out the space after "allebilder/". PB: Although I don't read German that well, I THINK the note you mentioned refers to images from a 'news item' about a "Gamestar" article. And yes: That is Sam introducing Gorbag's spinal column to lovely bit of Elvish steel.
Nuts by orson	Oct 30th, 2003 03:38:01 PM
I hope you're right, mortsleam. Otherwise no-one will be able to look down on the Rankin-Bass "He's gone looney, I tells ya!" line ever again. ****** Thanks for the offer, Sabster. My German is limited to phrases such as, "Ein knopf fehlt auf diesem mantel!" So I'll know what to say if I have problems with my overcoat. But you can be sure that Ich liebe dich for your generous offer and I am convinced that sie sind zehr schon, with or without your overcoat.
Nuts by orson	Oct 30th, 2003 03:42:24 PM
I hope you're right, mortsleam. Otherwise no-one will be able to look down on the Rankin-Bass "He's gone looney, I tells ya!" line ever again. ****** Thanks for the offer, Sabster. My German is limited to phrases such as, "Ein knopf fehlt auf diesem mantel!" So I'll know what to say if I have problems with my overcoat. But you can be sure that Ich liebe dich for your generous offer and I am convinced that sie sind zehr schon, with or without your overcoat.
Nuts by orson	Oct 30th, 2003 03:43:07 PM
I hope you're right, mortsleam. Otherwise no-one will be able to look down on the Rankin-Bass "He's gone looney, I tells ya!" line ever again. ****** Thanks for the offer, Sabster. My German is limited to phrases such as, "Ein knopf fehlt auf diesem mantel!" So I'll know what to say if I have problems with my overcoat. But you can be sure that Ich liebe dich for your generous offer and I am convinced that sie sind zehr schon, with or without your overcoat.
Nuts by orson	Oct 30th, 2003 03:45:55 PM
I hope you're right, mortsleam. Otherwise no-one will be able to look down on the Rankin-Bass "He's gone looney, I tells ya!" line ever again. ****** Thanks for the offer, Sabster. My German is limited to phrases such as, "Ein knopf fehlt auf diesem mantel!" So I'll know what to say if I have problems with my overcoat. But you can be sure that Ich liebe dich for your generous offer and I am convinced that sie sind zehr schon, with or without your overcoat.
Nuts by orson	Oct 30th, 2003 03:47:49 PM
I hope you're right, mortsleam. Otherwise no-one will be able to look down on the Rankin-Bass "He's gone looney, I tells ya!" line ever again. ****** Thanks for the offer, Sabster. My German is limited to phrases such as, "Ein knopf fehlt auf diesem mantel!" So I'll know what to say if I have problems with my overcoat. But you can be sure that Ich liebe dich for your generous offer and I am convinced that sie sind zehr schon, with or without your overcoat.
Thanks for the link, Moaters! by daughter of time	Oct 30th, 2003 05:47:04 PM
Great photos.... Though I'm almost starting to share Elanor's determination to avoid further spoilers. I do wonder about Mt. Doom and Mordor environs generally being a bit blue-skied, unless these photos are before color grading. Unfortunately, bookstores are few and far between on the Amalfi Coast, as I'd have liked to get my hands on some LOTR material in Italian. ***Still getting the odd cinder in the eye from the local firestorms, but it looks like the battle is turning. Hoping to get some pillows and things to the front lines tomorrow, as the firefighters are desperately short of bedding. Also need to give blood.... It's all been quite unimaginably horrible for those directly affected, next to which one can't possible complain about mere bad air.
Perhaps I was a bit hasty, by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 30th, 2003 09:28:21 PM
Everyone is quite right in pointing out that just because Annie Lennox says something doesn't necessarily make it so. So praps "well I'm back" IS still in, but is not the end of the movie? Would that keep the purists happy? There are rumours of a Galadriel voice over at the end of ROTK so perhaps SG, PT and MB watch the boat sail off to the havens, return to the shire, SG delivers the line and then the voiceover from Galadriel starts while we see the ship dissappearing into the West and the grey rain cloud turns all to Silver glass and rolls back and we behold White shores and a far Green country under a swift sunrise? That seems like a pretty cinematic ending to me... And Pontsing as the designated leader of this Tb, I can use the T word iffen I feel like it, so there!!!(Blows loud raspberry towards Pontsing...) Cheers.
C_of_B, PJ said the films are bookended by Galadriel. by raw_bean	Oct 31st, 2003 05:50:49 AM
The films can't be bookended by the Shire, they didn't even start with the Shire. They started with "I Aman, prestar aen. The world is changed...". THEN came the Shire. Then Galadriel had another little voiceover bit at the halfway mark "In his heart Frodo begins to understand; the quest will claim his life.", then she's going to finish the film with a sort of epilogue to mirror the prologue. My hope is, however, that the "I'm home" line is in, and that although Galadriel bookends the films with prologue, interlogue (? made it up, but the bit in the middle of TTT, anyway) and epilogue, but that the main narrative starts and ends in the Shire (which is still more or less what you're wanting, isn't it?). :) ---- Pontsing_Barset how dare you insult our leader! He uses what words he sees fit, in his glorious wisdom! I think the only way you can restore some dignity now is to commit Hari Kari.
Happy Halloween by Miami Mofo	Oct 31st, 2003 08:11:59 AM
to all you Hobbitses and Dwarves and Elves and Orcs and even TROLLS!!!!!!!!! :~) ***I will be more than happy to accept, "Well, I'm back." as the ending of just the LotR:RotK SEV, as long as there's some sort of Scouring (which doesn't even have to include Sharkey) along with it!!!!!!!!!
Doody!!! Hosed again!!! by Miami Mofo	Oct 31st, 2003 08:13:32 AM
Sorry 'bout that Conan the Uhoser.
Worth reading five times... by orson	Oct 31st, 2003 08:27:28 AM
Yikes, apologies for the quintuple "nuts" posting. That'll be due to connection problems - or is it just that I am obsessed with squirrels and their high-fibre diets? Keeps their "movements" regular, as Gimli would no doubt tell us.
It warms my heart to see my subjects stick up for me... by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 31st, 2003 09:20:22 AM
Thankee indeed Raw_Bean for the support, but Pontsing's role around here is to speak (write?) without thought of niceties, and if he gets banned, well another will come to take his place... Cheers.
For the great as with the less, by Conan_the_Humble	Oct 31st, 2003 09:24:29 AM
there are things that we may only accomplish once... (5 points awarded to the one who knows who said words to that effect!) Your apology is accepted Miami. Cheers.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear... by Pontsing Barset	Oct 31st, 2003 10:16:50 AM
... Conan, it realy dont matter if you programmit yoursef to be big man-O-this here TB or no. You pult datter that you cud arse ault this crowd with that cow shit Tword. But I pirntout therell be a big rumpa and hulla bulla right enuff if you keep roading on this track. And you aint got enuff hevvyness to do for THIS TATOW wiel ding barset. So you bes go slow and scanful be fore you get on your hynt legs and get carrit a way with this idear or it jus myte be arga warga for you! I cant say Trubba Not be cause parbly this is trubba even though I hoap not.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear... by Pontsing Barset	Oct 31st, 2003 10:29:16 AM
... Conan, it realy dont matter if you programmit yoursef to be big man-O-this here TB or no. You pult datter that you cud arse ault this crowd with that cow shit Tword. But I pirntout therell be a big rumpa and hulla bulla right enuff if you keep roading on this track. And you aint got enuff hevvyness to do for THIS TATOW wiel ding barset. So you bes go slow and scanful be fore you get on your hynt legs and get carrit a way with this idear or it jus myte be arga warga for you! I cant say Trubba Not be cause parbly this is trubba even though I hoap not.
Conan... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 31st, 2003 01:18:01 PM
... that would be F
Conan... by Skyway Moaters	Oct 31st, 2003 01:32:12 PM
... that would be F
Happy Halloween!! by Devil'sOwn	Oct 31st, 2003 09:16:31 PM
Just wanted to stop in and say "Hi" to all the Tailenders. Bean, Borg, DoT, Goth, and everybody else, hope you have a great weekend. Don't know where the heck this post'll end up in the order. Talk back atcha later.
What's that Pontsing, threats eh? by Conan_the_Humble	Nov 1st, 2003 02:26:40 AM
I won't stand for it ya hear? Ya can't threaten me with mere words, damn your eyes!!! Unless you're able to employ the delicate touch so aptly displayed by Elanor with PATOW, your (so far) brutish attempts will have no effect on me. Fire away if you will, although be warned, 'lese majesty' shall soon be brought into effect!!! Cheers.
Cheers, Devil's Own. by raw_bean	Nov 2nd, 2003 12:53:51 PM
A bit late for a response, but retrospective thanks, I DID have a good weekend! Didn't do much for Halloween, but here in the UK we have something called bonfire night (commemorating(sp?)when Guy Fawkes and some terrorist plotters NEARLY blew up the Houses of Parliament), we had a big bonfire, a ridiculously expensive fireworks display, a barrel of beer, good food and much partying. We also had a Jack-o-Lantern and some pumpkin soup, as a token celebration of Halloween. :)
Anyone seen the excellent, spoiler filled reviews of TTT:EE over by raw_bean	Nov 3rd, 2003 06:12:57 AM
Sounds great, although the second reviewer seems to have forgotten Theodred's funeral (we know it's in from the TTT theatrical edition preview of the EE). Also no mention of the scenes of Eowyn fighting Uruk Hai in the glittering caves. I've seen pictures of this, but it's never been mentioned in connection with the EE, that I've seen.
Whoah, hosed again, no wonder the TB seemed to go all quiet... by raw_bean	Nov 3rd, 2003 06:20:44 AM
What you guys all doing hiding up here? trying to avoid me eh? Hmmm, I think our illustrious leader's mystical powers are needed. Oh mighty Conan_The _Unhoser, canst thou not fixeth the TB for thine humble subjects, though we be unworthy cretins in thine sight! Otherwise oh glorious ruler, we, your devoted, if....fickle subjects might just have a change of heart, and possibly impale your bottom upon a large spike. Possibly.
What? No squirrel crap??? by Miami Mofo	Nov 3rd, 2003 07:47:44 AM
Well here's hoping that the squirrel crap joke that was mentioned in the previous review is a bunch a bs, or ss in this case. ***Time to spin the Hoserama Wheel and see where this post ends up. Round and round it goes, where it'll end up, not even Harry knows.
Trubba Not Conan... by Pontsing Barset	Nov 3rd, 2003 09:32:05 AM
... I were just sur prised that a clevver bloak lyke you would trubba this here TETB with the filfy old T-word. It ben my rota to stan watch for it and now youre tellin me youll do whatevr you thinks parper? Howd you get to be Big Man any way? I dont have that in memberment. Be sides I done talkit to this Webster bloak and he says what you done is callit a TRYPTYCH. You and me all ways ben frendy be fore. Dyou want to take over the keeping of TATOW? Dyou pirntout that youve got enuff hevvyness? Enuff scanfulness?
Pontsing Barset, by raw_bean	Nov 3rd, 2003 10:11:09 AM
The almighty Conan_the_Unhoser became our monarch the day he miraculously healed this TB from its hosed state. A feat of divine and magisterial sorcery he is no doubt preparing, even as we speak, to repeat, knowing as he does that lesser leaders than himself, whose magical power and divine right to rule have proved nothing but a sham, have had their manhoods cut off and their ankles lashed to the scrotum of an excitable bull.
WHAT!! There is NO "Conan the Usurperer" here! by morGoth	Nov 3rd, 2003 04:28:01 PM
May all the Power in Morgoth's Ring FIX this Talk Back!
Calisuri; Quint; "The page cannot be displayed" by Miami Mofo	Nov 3rd, 2003 07:49:29 PM
Great T2T SEV review by Calisuri over at TORn (and no mention of squirrel doo doo!). Can't wait, but I'm still not 100% sure that I'll be getting the regular SEV. There's still a chance that I'll go Gollum and get the Super Duper SEV. *How sad: In Quint's review of the E.A. LotR:RotK game, he began by apologizing about his on-set reports. Apparently New Line has forbidden him to post those reports. Shame on New Line! is all I have to say about that. *I am also very tired of reading that damned, "The page cannot be displayed" message every time I try to log onto this place, Monday thru Friday, 9AM to 6PM Eastern time. Sorry for being in a bad mood.
Hi all!! by BG	Nov 3rd, 2003 07:56:28 PM
Here is a post from the TolkienOnline message boards *WARNING! MAJOR and I mean MAJOR SPOILERS!!!* Hello. I happened to be in a movie store in the local mall when I saw the ROTK Visual Companion and Weapons and Warfare books for sale. Well, I grabbed them and quickly purchased them. Here's a few spoilers from the visual companion: Regarding Aragorn facing Sauron via the Palantir: "But instead, Sauron offers Aragorn a terrible vision: of his beloved , pale and lifeless, bereft of her elven immortality. The Evenstar, the jewel that Arwen gave to Aragorn as a token of their love, shatters. Far away across ME, the effect of this sorcery is felt: the power of the Evenstar is broken. But to embrace a life on ME and live as a mortal with herlove was the choice that Arwen had already made. Even Sauron's malice cannot destroy their love." Paths of the Dead: "Ghastly bony hands clutch at them out of the chill darkness; fog swirls; voices wail. All around them are the dead: their king and row upon row of his spectral warriors. As they gather for attack, Aragorn draws the Sword Reforged and claims their allegiance anew, promising in exchange for their duty that he will release them from their living death. They listen; and they follow..." Regarding the Tower of Cirith Ungol, it mentions the Watchers outside of the tower. "Each of the statues boasts three vulture heads, and the heads face inward, outward and across the gateway, ready to sound an alarm if any intruder or spy should pass." There is a great pic of Sam struggling underneath Shelob. My favorite photo is on of Frodo Sam and Gollum on the bridge in front of Minas Morgul before the Witch King's army sets out. Description of Grond: "At over 100 ft in length, it is as long as a forest tree, and it swings on huge iron chains. Its head is fashioned of black steel in the likeness of a ravening wolf, and fire shoots from its eyes. Four mountain trolls draw it forth. Trolls will wield the weapon, and Orcs will defend it, and the Witch-king of Angmar will direct its use." Here's some quotes: 'Mordor: this city has dwelt ever in sight of that shadow.' 'It is before the walls of Minas Tirith that the doom of our time will be decided!' 'The rule of Gondor is mine, and no other's!' Denethor 'Boromir was loyal to me and no wizard's pupil' Denethor to Faramir? 'The houses of dead are no places for the living' 'No army of Sauron has ever crossed the Anduin, not while the men of Gondor have held the passage of the river' 'Sauron will have not forgotten the sword of Elendil...The blade that broke shall return to Minas Tirith' Aragorn or Elrond? 'The dead are following...I see shapes of men and of horses and pale banners like shreds of clouds, and spears like thickets on a misty night' 'Here do I swear fealty and service to Gondor, in living or dying, from this hour henceforth, until my lord release me, or death take me' Pippin 'Courage will now be your best defense against the storm that is at hand' Gandalf? 'Say to Denethor that in this hour the King of the Mark himself will come down to the land of Gondor, though may be he will not ride back' Theoden 'Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey!' 'There may come a day when the courage of men fails...an hour of wolves before the Age of Men comes crashing down - but it will not be this day! This day we fight!' Aragorn More quotes: 'Master carries heavy burden...Smeagol knows: Smeagol carried burden many years.' Possible transition to flashback?? Gollum on Minas Morgul: 'Ruined city, yes, very nasty place, full of enemies' 'There's something worse than Gollum about. I can feel something looking at us' 'I must have something to do before the end. I must see it through...' Sam 'There is no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I see it even with my waking eyes...' Frodo 'Destroy it now...throw it into the fire!' Sam 'I have made my choice...' Frodo Interesting and vague bit about Saruman in the Weapons and Warfare book: "But when the first people to return to Isengard were Theoden, Aragorn and Gandalf the White, Saruman knew that all his plans for domination had failed. Scholars still disagree over the fate of the White Wizard. Some maintain that instead of falling at Orthanc under Wormtongue's dagger, he was struck down in the shire..." Hmmm, I know the scouring is out, just makes you wonder about his demise... Also from Weapons and Warfare: Pippin's and Merry's elven daggers were discarded by the raiding party of Uruk hai. So, it looks like Merry uses the sword given to him by Theoden. It says this sword was used by Theoden when he was a boy. Merry also wears Theoden's childhood armor. Frodo gives Sting to Sam before leaving over the sea. It became an heirloom of the Gamgee family. More from Weapons and Warfare: From section on Dunaharrow: 'At this time, Elrond arrived at Theoden's tent with a mighty gift for Aragorn. He had brought with him the shards of Narsil, now reforged by the smiths of Rivendell as Anduril, "Flame of the West". So, according to this book, no Arwen anywhere near Dunharrow :-) The Weapons and Warfare books gives a history of all of the major characters in LOTR. Everything else in Saruman's section ties exactly to the films. Perhaps the filmmakers didn't let the author know the method of demise for Saruman. Regarding the potential Witch-king vs. Gandalf, the book states that Gandalf leads hundreds of Gondorian soldiers to the gate but they are all driven back to the third level. "It was at this time that the Witch-king flew into the city and faced its commander, Gandalf" Furthermore, the visual companion has a big two page photo of Gandalf facing the Witchking on his fell beast. It looks like the exact same shot that was at the end of the ROTK preview on the Two Towers dvd. Regarding the mumakil(oliphaunts) the Weapons and Warfare book states that an oliphaunt can be killed with a single arrow shot in the eye. Anyone wanna bet this is how Legolas takes out the big guy? From W and W: On the mouth of Sauron: "His final parley was with Aragorn, who concluded negotiations in decisive fashion, proving that his weapon was stronger that his opponent's" It also states that Aragorn slew a mighty cave troll at the black gates. It says that Aragorn led a force of 500 to the Black Gates. The force of the enemy was between 200,000 and 300,000. Some cool details regarding the Army of the Dead at Pelennor: "The Dead Men glowed with a sick green phosphorescence, and when they attacked, they surged and rolled over the thralls of Mordor in successive vaporous waves, screaming an unearthly scream. The spectres moved faster than their enemy could run, and when they swung their weapons, they left a trail of vapor behind them." "Instead of drawing blood from their victims, the Dead Men's weapons seemed to suck the very life out of them."
More Spoilers by BG	Nov 3rd, 2003 08:35:17 PM
Scans from the ROTK Visual Companion http://elflady.com/legolasgree nleaf/rotk/misc/vc.htm
Kiwi drives final nail in Blade of Westernesse coffin! by morGoth	Nov 3rd, 2003 08:51:12 PM
Hiya BG/PJ! Glad to see you back even if you ARE the bearer of mournful news (at least for moi!). Hope you
Awsome pics BG! by morGoth	Nov 3rd, 2003 09:01:40 PM
Hmmm...wonder why Eowyn is wandering around in a daze when she should be kicking "You Know Who" butt? That shot of Sam, Frodo and Gollum in front of the Morgul Bridge is really creepy looking. I don't care if it's completley out of scale...ya hear me? I DON'T CARE! Thunk...
Some pic comments. by BG	Nov 3rd, 2003 09:27:32 PM
The best Visual Companion pics are the ones of Sam under Shelob (she seems to be draging him by his cloak) and the ring trio in front of Minas Morgul (who is the character at the bottom with the red eyes)? ** Miami and morGy: thanks for the emails.
Hi morGy! by BG	Nov 3rd, 2003 09:43:26 PM
Yes, I thought you'd be disappointed about (SPOILER) Merry using Theoden junior's sword. As for Theoden saying the Nazgul's prey line, that's not correct. The character names are at the end of each quote, not the start, and anyway, I think that's just pure speculation by the guy who bought the book, he puts question marks after some of the names. Ahhhh ... it's good to be back!
Alas my poor brethren, as I stated in my last by Conan_the_Humble	Nov 4th, 2003 06:01:18 AM
missive, threats will get ye, NOWHERE... I have no problem with you Pontsing, only the language... You ARE the best equipped for TATOW, I'm best at chiming with 2 bobs worth, against the trolls... The 'magic' can't be provided upon demand, will he - nil he. It's only available on 'special' occasions,(ie: when it happens to unhose the TB...) rectal spikes notwithstanding, of course... Good to see you back BG hope your labours are nearing an end... Cheers.
Please disregard my last... by Conan_the_Humble	Nov 4th, 2003 06:02:35 AM
Problem solved. Bask in my glory, subjects... Cheers.
BG morphs into PB by Miami Mofo	Nov 4th, 2003 07:07:50 AM
Good grief! I hear that BG's under the weather; I send him, via e-mail, some of Mom's cyberChicken soup; and with a rat-a-tat-tat of the keypads, he seemingly morphs into PB, complete with a thousand word post. Perhaps Mom should stop substituting amphetamines for salt when she makes her soup. ***Welcome back, BG!!!!!!!!! Now get your ass over to TORn and enter Tehanu's "Best LotR fan in N.Z. contest."
I'm... I'm through...? .....I got THROUGH!! I'M IN!! by Pallando Blue	Nov 4th, 2003 10:25:53 AM
Now let's just see if this bastard POSTS or not.... BG!! How do, o chum from the land of sheep and PJ! (not that I'd suggest putting that on brochures) Glad to see you're up and about, or at least if prone and immobile strong enough to type, eh? :) Stay well! ...And man o man does the Kiwi come back with a VENGEANCE. Gonna take a bit to digest all THAT news! morG, I think the names are coming after their quotes, not before, so Theoden won't be saying "Don't come between..." etc. A bunch of em make more sense that way! Am I right, BG? Find out in a day, anyway. And lucky me, the D.C. B&N with the Special Presentation thing is one block from my office! Woo, and, may I add, hoo. I will certainly offer up a full report, best I can. Fingers crossed the site stays unhinked. Hosing I can handle. Just let me IN. * So, raw_bean, thecutestborgofalltheborgthere are,and Devil's Own, if I remember you all being me fellow junkies, today all us Dark Tower addicts "get well", as they say in the narc trade (at least in the narc-trade action movies I've seen). Wolves of the Calla, on shelves now! And, junkie that I be, I'm readin em all from the beginning, 1 thru 4 before starting WotC. It's been a few years--since Wiz and Glass came out, in fact--so the pleasure of rediscovery is winning out easily over the crazy pull of What Happens Next. And you know? I have the sick feeling I'll be rereading them all AGAIN in order in just 6 months... * I'll add real quick, that one thing left conspicuously unmentioned in the T2T SEV reviews, is anything to do with Eowyn getting some orc-slicing action in the caves. Which I was POSITIVE would get in, what with shots like THESE out there: http://www.quintessentialwebsi tes.com/lordoftherings/ movieshots_ttt/ttt_b3c07_scene 7.htm#top [space inserted before "movieshots"] ...Scroll to the bottom of that page. Eowyn, sword drawn, arms bloody! There was even a peak of it in the preview on the FOTR theatrical DVD set! And no reviewer has brought it up? Can only mean they never saw it, which can only mean.... >sniffle< *** LAST ITEM: Heya mortsleam! You still out there? Do you EVER check your e-mail?? Or is there one besides the one linked here that a bloke oughta be usin?
Yeah I know PB by morGoth	Nov 4th, 2003 01:14:13 PM
...Vanyar took the text and re-edited it so that it even makes sense to a bonehead like me. I notice you sidestepped my barb concerning the NON-BOW and Merry
Erm, Lanuage Conan? by Pontsing Barset	Nov 4th, 2003 02:49:06 PM
... It were only an exer size in "Riddley Speak" (and that old joaky about LOTR not being a stinkin' T&^%$#*). I dint use no bad words nor call you no bad names. I wunt NEVER realy want no rumpa with you! Have a looksee at: Http://www.graphesthesia.com/r w/ix.html if dont know what Im moufing about and if you are interestit...
Hey Pontsing, tell that Hyperborean oaf to stuff it! by morGoth	Nov 4th, 2003 05:38:52 PM
Besides, ain't the author of 'Riddly Speak' Russel Hoban (sorry up front iffen I misspelled any names) an Aussie too? IOW Conan, that "language" oughta be second nature to ya. Meanwhiles...trubba not! Erm, oh yeah (better stay on topic), does anybody who's seen that pic of Eowyn think it odd that she's on foot, looking very sad, yet NOT wearing her helmet? I'll fling a partially masticated Gummy Bear at PJ's name as the credits roll by if Eowyn doesn't whip off her helmet when she utters SPOILER** "But no man am I!" Well, something to that effect anyhoo. Keep my trust PJ! Hey ladies, how come none of you have given us a swoon update on that pic of por, poor Frodo lying face down in the dust? Huh? HUH?
Forget the Black Dart by Miami Mofo	Nov 4th, 2003 07:24:34 PM
From Jude Fisher's LotR:RotK Visual Companion which I purchased today [MAJOR SPOILER]: "Then it is that the Lord of the Nazgul, the Witch-king of Angmar, swoops down and his fell beast grabs up in its cruel claws both Theoden and his white stallion, Snowmane; and thus comes the death of the valiant King of Rohan. / Then an unnamed Rider steps into the breach and with a single swipe of his shining sword beheads the vile monster on which the Witch-king is mounted." ***So after today's Physical Therapy session (haven't picked up a club since the Fourth of July, BG; but thanks for asking) I stopped at B&N to buy the Visual Companion. When I didn't see it on the shelves I asked a store clerk if it was in stock. He went to the computer and said that NINE copies of the softcover version would be in tomorrow. I replied that I wanted the hardcover version today. He replied that there was no hardcover version even though I was holding the hardcover LotR:FotR V.C. in my hand to show him what I wanted. I then left the store, drove over to Boarders and bought the hardcover version I wanted. I passed on that 'Weapons' book for now. That was in softcover, but I think I'll leaf through it in the store before deciding.
All Hail Conan_The_Unhoser, the AICN Messiah! by raw_bean	Nov 4th, 2003 07:56:14 PM
morG, your doubter's soul will BURN if you do not repent and worship Conan the Man-God as he deserves! ---- Pallando_Blue, I reread the DT series earlier this year, so I think I'll just read Wolves of the Calla and save the big reread for the final installment. Thanks for the heads up! :) ---- As for all the interesting (if slightly worrying) news on ROTK from these here books, I'm with Pallando and morG the infidel, somewhat concerned at the seeming changes, but still hopeful it'll all be all right on the night. ---- At the minute though, my anticipation's building for TTT:EE, all the reviews on TORN are really sounding good. Incidentally, morG you heathen, I'd also noticed the lack of Eowyn/Uruk Hai bust up footage in the glittering caves (my post on it is buried up there somewhere), and at this point I'm wondering if it's gone the way of 'XenArwen at Helm's Deep'.
Excellent, by Conan_the_Humble	Nov 4th, 2003 08:00:45 PM
That Snaga-Rot was starting to make me a bit 'irritable' quite frankly and I was starting to think strange thoughts (like I was the leader of the talkbacks,) instead of a mere occasional (or perhaps a bit more) poster... I think I deserve a bit more credit than Tinuviel (blessings be upon her) though MorGoth, here I am using my precious breaks from breaking heads at the club to unhose this here tb, TWICE I might add too... I wasn't really upset Pontsing and I wasn't offended by your post, it DOES take a bit more than what you said to 'get my back up', though Barstardo usually manages it... Those LOTR pics are fantastic. Everything I see and hear about ROTK is very good (except Merry using a different sword to dispatch you know who... Why couldn't it be the sword that Aragorn gave him, at least?) Ah well, we don't always get everything we wants, does we precious? Going to see Matrix Revolutions tonight (at Midnight...) hope it's better than reloaded. Cheers.
A belated swoon for dusty Frodo by daughter of time	Nov 4th, 2003 08:54:18 PM
BG, thanks for the link! I kept wondering where everyone was, forgetting to scroll higher up. And I must say, that orc armor is oddly fetching - I think it's the suggestion of a Cavalier collar in the way the plates splay out. ***In reference to the SEV reviews, in which it is said that Gollum "gets the snot beat out of him" by Faramir's men, I think I am vindicated after saying in an earlier post or two that I was sensing something of the sort behind the scenes and was told I was evil-minded (in so many words). Yes, these are not the noble Ithilien rangers of the book, take it for what you will. (Did anyone else note PJ saying in the latest fan magazine interview that they had, indeed, painted themselves into something of a corner with Faramir, with the changes they had to make to him to fit the film's take on the Ring's power?) I get the sense that even the film's creators realized they might have gone a bit too far with the Un-Faramir-izing, and are hoping the SEV will soften the effect. Which I hope it does, but I'm still more excited about more Boromir.
Once again, it's Wednesday (morning at 5 o'clock, she is far awa by Miami Mofo	Nov 5th, 2003 05:20:44 AM
Now where was I? Oh yes, SIX WEEKS (efe) UNTIL LOTR:ROTK!!!!!!!!! ***Take it away, Alfalfa. "Then the ostler sang to his tipsy cat: 'The white horses of the Moon, They neigh and champ their silver bits; But their master's been and drowned his wits, and the Sun'll be rising soon!'"
At the Constrainer by Sabster	Nov 5th, 2003 06:11:50 AM
Thanks for the link and the transcript, BG. Well now, it almost looks like the Sabster
Swoops in on his Walrus-Grappling hook. "Did someone say 'Wednes by mortsleam	Nov 5th, 2003 10:20:42 AM
As Val Kilmer once said to Nicole Kidman: "The Walrus-Signal is not a beeper." Or something like that. Actually, I don't have anything to say at the moment, just checking to see if I can actually POST again. But I will join the general bitching about the absence of the B.O.W. and excised Xena-Eowyn Uruk-gutting. We'll find out soon...What's that? You want one more Big Lebowski quote? Alright, alright, let me see what I can come up with. This one's for extra credit: Aragorn walks along the path to Helm's Deep, surrounded by Rohan refugees. Eowyn walks beside him. She notices the Evenstar around his neck. Eowyn: "Where is the one who gave you that pendant?" Aragorn (obviously troubled:) "She is going to the West, with her people." Eowyn: "Sorry, I didn't mean to hassle you about your special lady." Aragorn: "No, man, she's not my fucking special lady, she's my god-damn lady friend, man! I'm just helping her conceive, alright?"
I've been looking at those visua companion shots... by raw_bean	Nov 5th, 2003 10:37:53 AM
I remember some of you were wondering what was with Eowyn walking about with a slight frown on the Pelennor fields. That shot looks to me like a shot of Miranda Otto, not Eowyn, if you see what I mean. Between takes, as she thinks about her lines, or somesuch. A couple of other shots in there strike me that way, too, eg. Sam with Sting, looks like Sean Astin sitting down for a rest between takes and admiring the work of Weta up close, now that he's going to be using Sting in scenes for the first time. What's anyone think? Am I barking up the wrong tree? Or just barking mad?
raw_bean by BG	Nov 5th, 2003 03:00:22 PM
I too have been pondering morGy's question about the Eowyn pic, but I'm not sure about your theory. Would a movie Visual Companion contain between takes pics or pics that weren't from the movie itself? Did the first two movie VCs contain any pics that weren't from the actual movies? If it is from the movie it must be between the big charge into battle and the encounter with the WK, perhaps contemplating a fallen comrade?
More Eowyn speculation overheard near Budge Ford! by morGoth	Nov 5th, 2003 04:28:58 PM
I have to agree with BG raw_bean. Though I don
T2T SEV report! by elanor	Nov 5th, 2003 05:41:38 PM
Just thought I
groan elanooooor! by djinnj	Nov 5th, 2003 06:05:19 PM
I can't wait. I really can't. sniffle. One little thought on that pic of Eowyn. Her sword is sheathed. Dunno what that means, but have a hard time thinking that she'd have it sheathed during a battle, and certainly not right before the WK scene. No time! I have no idea what this means, but it seemed odd. // I'm starting to think about my LotR baked goods again as I've some free time coming up. Anyone know anything about how to make large cream puffs? I'm not sure how my recipe for pate choux will translate into making my Shelob figure (filled with creme anglais, squishy AND yummy).
elanor, can we get some really IMPORTANT info? by Miami Mofo	Nov 5th, 2003 07:29:11 PM
Like where exactly do we change from disc one to disc two. ***I read something interesting today in the October issue of Empire. I shall now go to TORn to try and find same so I can quote it directly.
Aw, more Eowyn swoonery sounds heavenly to me! by morGoth	Nov 5th, 2003 10:25:09 PM
Thanks for that excellent write up elanor-lass. May the hair on your toes stay ever curly! That
Eowyn's Photo by daughter of time	Nov 6th, 2003 12:20:39 AM
I'm a bit puzzled, too, over when Eowyn might be found on a battlefield, unhelmed and pensive. And would certainly rather have Eowyn slashing orcs in the SEV than more of what we had too much of already - the Cringing Rohirrim Women. ***Elanor, how DOES that shop get away with it? How can they be shipping DVDs so far in advance? We are all envious of your source.
You can be a naughty boy when you think no-ones looking, can't y by raw_bean	Nov 6th, 2003 10:10:57 AM
"*A few very nice new Gandalf moments, including a favorite book moment/line of mine." who'll give me odds on that being "Sauron is not so mighty yet that he is above fear. He fears you Aragorn, he fears what you may become."? Certainly one of MY favourites, that I've been waiting for for ages. I'm sure it was in one of the trailers, way back when. --- Lucky elanor, mutter mutter, I'm not jealous! Honest! mutter, mutter*
Something tells me they'll dispense with Eowyn's reveal altogeth by mortsleam	Nov 6th, 2003 10:13:25 AM
As it seems Dernhelm's identity will be known to the audience, I'm gonna throw out some wild speculation and say that she removes the helmet during battle, so that we get to see the luvverly Miranda Otto's determined visage as she hacks at ol' WK. Because the audience has to see the faces of the protagonists as they are involved in big heroics. It's a sound visual choice, even if it takes some drama away from her little bit of cross-dressing. But I'm sure that the reveal to Merry (and Theoden?) will be handled well, it will just come slightly before her big scene. * As for the TTT SEV, well, color me emerald in envy of elanor (would that be "eee"?) I'm glad that some fears have been alleviated, although you bring up some troubling new bits as well. It just makes the wait that much more tortuous. * "Moater trade." Very funny. Insert jokey emoticon here.
GROND! GROND! GROND! by Pallando Blue	Nov 6th, 2003 11:30:17 AM
How do, elanor, and well DONE! To paraphrase a fictional Playtone record executive, I am positively chartreuse with envy. :) ...But dang, I had just had about 15 hours of renewed hope for Eowyn uruk-ventilation. I picked up the "Weapons and Warfare" book last night, and while I've only just skimmed it so far I can certainly warn you that there are SPOILERS WITHIN! I can very much lay out for y'all what happens when, the whole sequence of events on the Pelennor. Fear not, I shan't spoil all (unless sufficiently begged, I s'pose, but then only with heavily capped warnings), and if you want ALL the goods then head on over to a local bookstore and browse until they kick you out. What I WILL say though, is that it is pretty much in line with the book in all the important ways, IMO. And, as implied in my subject line, Oh My Freaking Golly but Grond is certainly freakin in there. All that's in the book is 2 more art drawings and the same front-way shot of the model, but man o man o man is the color concept drawing of Grond being moved toward the Gate the stuff of nightmares. And there's a full page of text description (the book is very, very text-heavy). Yep there's that smaller handheld ram we've seen in the trailers, but trust me. HA HA HA HA! It's a toothpick! And it ain't Grond, baby. It delights me to no end that PJ & Co. have been holding this monster back from the general unknowing public. When people see this weapon "which surely took decades to construct, so long in planning was the Dark Lord's war" (or something), this utter horrifying Made-For-Trailers money shot that has been kept completely hidden, and with the sound of 25,000 rugby fans chanting Grond! Grond Grond! ...there are going to be more than a few shuddering spines, and as many wet laps. * Okay, back to my dashed Ginsu Eowyn hopes. As I said, I've only skimmed the W&W text (and may wait until January to really read it, knowing what kind of spoilers may still await...), but in Eowyn's section a little bit did catch my eye: "Although sent to the Glittering Caves by her uncle at the Battle of Helm's Deep, she fought bravely, killing many Uruk-hai as she protected the refugees who were hiding there." ...gasp! Clouds part, dove bearing olive branch alights on shoulder to chorus of angels! Then elanor comes along, and Poof. The dove's really a pigeon, olive branch is a filterless camel, and the "chorus" turns out to be said pigeon's sidewalk lunch making a hasty and audible back-door exit. (I just cleaned this white shirt!) Ah well, c'est la poop. I shall take the report of more Otto swooniness as consolation. Further hope, however, for the Dernhelm hopefuls: "Later, and against her uncle's wishes, she rode in disguise with the Rohirrim to the Pelennor Fields, taking the hobbit Merry with her." * Lastly, to quell the Where does Aragorn kill a troll? line of query, he apparently does so at the Black Gates. And apparently, it's a troll with a topknot..? :) *** Okay, really lastly and this time I mean it. A shot of the Mouth of Sauron's helmet (doffed, photoed separate, no actual MoS shot, dangit...). Damn creepy: "His helm left only his mouth exposed and was etched with runes written in the Black Speech: 'I am the Mouth of Sauron, hear him speak.'"
Oh, and the "Special Video Presentation" at the B&N by Pallando Blue	Nov 6th, 2003 11:45:54 AM
...was indeed just the first mini-doc of Disc 3 of the SEV. No ROTK footage--no, wait, check that, just remembered there was a longer pan up the tower of Cirith Ungol, very nice. But that's it for ROTK. And not much T2T SEV footage, although I did get to see M&P get pulled in by Old Man Willow--looked great! Other than that, the few SEV shots were already seen in the last DVD's preview. The mini-doc itself, well, like the one that opens the FOTR SEV Disc 3, it's 95% about Tolkien and LOTR, 5% about the film adaptation, and simply wonderful. Like the last one, it'll proably be my fave of the supplemental material, and the most revisited. One bit I never knew--that CS Lewis was a large man, with a great booming voice (opposite the slight, relatively quiet Tolkien). And word on the street is, he was the basis for Treebeard's character! Shippey's description of Lewis being heard coming down the university halls, entering a class, and continuing on his HOOM HUM HROOMing without missing a beat draws a picture that genuinely earns a laugh out loud (did last night, anyway). *** TWELVE DAYS TO GO! Well, for the rest of us. ;)
Swoon-worthy Eowyn... by mortsleam	Nov 6th, 2003 12:10:43 PM
elanor, at least tell me that shot from the TTT preview is in. You know, the long sweeping helicopter shot of Eowyn standing outside Meduseld with her hair flowing in the breeze. That always seemed to me to be the perfect depiction of Meduseld, and I was disappointed it didn't make it into the theatrical cut. More pictorial than almost anything else in the movie (except of course Frodo vs. Nazgul at Osgiliath.)
Eh, I wouldn't bother, c-o-b, it's been tried by Pallando Blue	Nov 6th, 2003 12:54:27 PM
I attempted to broker an understanding with the fellow many a TB back, before y'all had found the TE. Thought I'd made some headway, cause as you know he'll occasionally act the rational speaker. But, nope, I was disappointed, he's just an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Take him at his word: He's not lying when he says he'll never stop being an asshole, because he enjoys the reaction being an asshole creates. It's gotten so old and redundant now, it's just kinda schtick. And, really, pretty boring at this point, when you've been reading it for months on end. Especially when you know he's faking it half the time. I almost just wish he was more creative about it. He kinda just merits a shrug at this point. *** Not to sound hypocritical, but don't feel bad about a Matrix fan-pokin'. :) Sometimes such stuff--especially to the "You just don't UNDERSTAND it!" Matrix cultists--is completely irresistable. Turnabout's fair play, of course! (Gosh, have I ever said "You just don't UNDERSTAND LOTR!"..? Naaaaahhh, I'd never... ;) I'm just saying, Grimloch in particular's been doing the same act for SO long now, he's like wallpaper. P'raps still fresh to a few of you, I'm just done paying attention to him. *** Further off-topic, the pleasures of DT rediscovery: Just began "The Drawing of the Three" and I had COMPLETELY forgotten what happens to poor Roland in the very first 5 pages. #@!&$! "lobstrosities"! And I remembered how genuinely P.O.-ed I was at King first time I read that, that he'd done such a cruel thing to the gunslinger... But can't dwell on such crimes-against-protagonists now, though, 'cause Eddie is on his way to meet Balazar... ** Back on topic: LOTR RULES!
It's embarrassing, even distressing by Seepgood	Nov 6th, 2003 12:55:17 PM
When confusion is caused by cross-dressing / Men in corsets and basques / Girls in corslets and casques / It's enough to keep any wraith guessing ** I'm paying 3 euros an hour here and have stuff to do, so I'll limit myself to saying that a bit of fiddling with the Witch-king scenes is permissable, but if there's no "Horns, horns, horns of the North in Mindolluin's dark sides wildly blowing" moment, PJ will see what Larry was invited to see. ** Speaking of matters bowling-related, bean, no mention of my contributions to the Lebowski jam? The serendipitously apposite juxtaposition of my "The old man says I can take any horse in the place" was peerless, I'll have you know. Peerless! Whine, grumble, snivel.
Oh, I'm sure I'll be up to speed in a week or two :) by Pallando Blue	Nov 6th, 2003 02:15:21 PM
One of the surest signs of being sucked into a Stephen King book is tearing through it (again) as fast as humanly possible. DT's once again invaded every blip of spare time I find. I even quit doing the crossword on the subway! Used to be my pre-coffee brain warm-up! (the first futile pulls on the lawnmower's ripcord before caffeine finally roars it to life) Welp, it's all DT now. And I can't stay mad at ol' SK. It was just that first time back in, geez, '87 when the maiming was just such a freakin SHOCK. I soon adjusted. :) *** Oh yeah, back on topic, ought to add, didn't buy the slim little Photo Guide "for younger readers," but can definitely say it has its share of spoilers, too! Just to warn y'all who might be tempted to thumb, lest you read something you'd rather not. Photos themselves have largely already leaked out to us.
See what I was saing back there, pontsing? by Conan_the_Humble	Nov 6th, 2003 03:10:52 PM
(re-posted from the SW talkback, don't ask, I've been imbibing a bit tonight, this Morning?) The Hobbit lass has a certain way with the words, that commands respect. She apparently has a source that provides her with early opportunity to peruse LOTR movie goodness too, damn her (quite probably lovely,) eyes!!! (Please disregard that Elanor, you know you have my undying respect and admiration... It was simply foul jealousy there, nothing more...) Oh and in a lame (and somewhat belated) attempt to get back somewhere near the topic, it's good to see Theoden's Golden Shield in one of the photo's over at the warofthering.net. I reckon that will be THE most amazing moment of ROTK if all seems completely bleak and Theoden's shield breaks the darkness of Mordor and subsequently the Rohirrim break the siege of Minas Tirith!!! What say y'all? Anyhoo, that is enough flowery speech from this Security Officer, I bid y'all a good night (actually day but anyway...) P.S. Should'nt we have a new LOTR TB soon? Surely there is enough news about?) Cheers.
"Lastly, to quell the Where does Aragorn kill a troll? line of q by raw_bean	Nov 6th, 2003 08:28:39 PM
On MisterGrimmloch; I've not been coming here all that long either c_of_b, but Pallando's totally right about him, as far as I've seen. I just feel sorry for him, it's pretty pathetic really, spending his whole time here on the TBs just annoying and insulting people for cheap kicks. ----- As for you, mighty Conan_the_Unhoser, c_of_b's baiting of the Matrix fans didn't go unnnoticed, and neither did your provoking of the Star Wars fans! I'm disgusted by the behaviour of some of you here! What can fans of other franchises think of us Ringers if this is how we present ourselves to the rest of the AICN world? You give us all a bad name! Remember, when you venture into other TBs, you are ambasadors for the Ringers, conduct yourselves accordingly! :) ---- Woohoo! Might not be long before I can join elanor in making you guys jealous! Last year, I got my FOTR:EE collectors set about 4 days early, and now TORN's reporting that customers in the UK are already starting to receive their TTT:EE sets! Above all else, I think I'm looking forward to seeing Sean Bean as Boromir again. The more I watch FOTR, the more I think his may be my favourite performance, and coupled with the fact that this Sheffield born lad is a fellow Yorkshireman, I cannot wait to see him in TTT!
Thinking about it, by raw_bean	Nov 6th, 2003 08:33:40 PM
LOTR is overrun with Northeners (Northern England, that is), what with Dominic Monaghan and Bernard Hill. Woohoo, go the North! ---- On DT, I thought it was great when SK maimed Roland in the Drawing (dismayed for the poor gunslinger as I was), it was so unnexpected and unfortunate, it made it all feel more real. Please guys, don't go into too much detail yet on Wolves of the Calla, I don't have it yet! Don't even know if it's out here yet! :(
Here's another clue for you all... by elanor	Nov 6th, 2003 08:40:51 PM
A few more tidbits to munch on, mostly Spoiler free) Miami: the break is in a great spot (IMHO) because it leaves you on kind of a cliff-hanger, right at the end of an EXTENDED scene in which Frodo and Sam are captured by Faramir and his men.***MorG: thanks for the tip about the photos. I had looked at the very first ones, which were so very lucsious I had to STOP! I know I haven
Damn it elanor, I felt sure I had it! by raw_bean	Nov 7th, 2003 05:55:58 AM
Anyone else think Sean Bean gave one of the (if not THE) best performance in FOTR? There's not a single Boromir moment in the whole film (even extended) that I think is anything less than perfect. His fall and rise at the end of the film still brings a lump to my throat and tears to my eyes, and indeed the last 20 minutes or so of the film as a whole is without doubt the most perfect movie sequence I've ever seen, to my mind. I really CANNNOT WAIT to see SB back in TTT.
Waaaa indeed, elanor by mortsleam	Nov 7th, 2003 09:49:14 AM
But at least we know the identity of Marilyn Mon-Rohan. Hee-yowza, that's an attractive family. Perhaps I'll sneak into Harrylluvatar's backyard next time he invites Elijah to a barbecue. As far as extra Sean Bean footage: keep it coming. Not only is his performance masterful, he simply gets all the best lines. I'm talking endlessly quotable sounds bites here, not necessarily passages straight out of the book. To wit: "Gondor has no king...Gondor needs no King." "One does not simply walk into Mordor." "This is no mine -- it's a tomb!" "They have a cave troll." "What new devilry is this?" "Why do you recoil? I am no theif." "The world of men will fall and all will come to darkness and my city to ruin." "I would have followed you, my brother...my captain...my king." Damn it, I'm tearing up now.
Looking over my last post, I feel I must pre-emptively correct a by mortsleam	Nov 7th, 2003 10:04:48 AM
And state flat-out that I meant I would sneak into Harry's backyard in the hopes that Elijah's SISTER would be there. Ahem. Sorry, I've been a little on edge and uncostumarily sensitive about perceptions ever since a 'lady friend' of mine complimented me on a new shirt, saying it was really "retro" and I misheard it as "metro." I'll blame ebonic_plague for his hilarious yet spot-on evisceration of the entire LOTR movie franchise. There, manhood intact, moving on...I could have easily just cut'n'pasted every single one of Boromir's lines from my WinZip copy of the Fellowship script. Because really nearly every single line is a gem. But I'll leave it up to the rest of you to contribute your favorites.
Of course c-of-b, any action at all is justified in the defence by raw_bean	Nov 7th, 2003 10:19:28 AM
I'll join your game mortsleam although you've already covered a fair amount of his lines! Let's not forget the longer, less sound-bitey lines though: "It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt, over so small a thing, such a little thing..."; "Have you so little faith in your own people? Yes there is weakness, there is frailty, but there is courage also, and honour to be found in men. But you will not see it.", "My father is a noble man, but his rule is failing, and our people lose faith. He looks to me to put things right, and I would do it; I would see the glory of Gondor restored. Have you ever seen it Aragorn? The white tower of Ecthelion glistening like a silver spike, it's banners caught high in the morning breeze. Have you ever been called home, by the clear ringing of silver trumpets?", "For England, James.", "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs; there is evil there, that does not sleep, and the great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, and ash. The very air you breath, is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this; it is folly.", and the entire Boromir tries to take the Ring from Frodo scene at Amon Hen, every last word. Hope I didn't mangle any quotes, those were straight from memory. :)
Easter egg hunt..? by Pallando Blue	Nov 7th, 2003 10:30:34 AM
So, elanor, did you hunt around the menus for the spots the eggs were hidden in last year's? My hopes aren't really up, as by this time last year the easter eggs had already been reported wide on the 'net. But nebberdeless, I am surprised they didn't at least include the MTV stuff again. Gollum's acceptance speech deserves archival preservation! *** Oh I am so SICK of all this constant fawning over Un!Boromir! The liberties these hack filmmakers have taken with his character are SO out of line with Tolkien's work--who the HELL do they think they ARE? Where's the smug menace? Where's the brutishness, the reliance on muscle over brains? Where's the vanity, the paranoia? Where's the bushy red beard, ratty tunic, and fake-cow-horned helme-- Wait, hold on, lemme regroup. ;)
Pallando, by raw_bean	Nov 7th, 2003 10:50:55 AM
interestingly enough, I saw the Bakshi LOTR when I was very young, well before I'd read the book (maybe he Hobbit by then, though), and the only things that really stayed with me were horned Boromir being shot repeatedly with arrows, and Gandalf the White leading the charge into Helm's Deep, the two moments from PJ's films that stayed with me the most!
Boromir rules by Sabster	Nov 7th, 2003 11:21:10 AM
Anyone mentioned the
Amazing r_b! That's exactly what I meant! by mortsleam	Nov 7th, 2003 11:49:11 AM
Every single line is a killer. And only the leaky batteries of my photographic memory prevented me from putting them all in. * Sabster wins for best single line AND best quiet moment. To answer your question: Who is Marilyn Mon-Rohan? She's a particularly fetching lass the camera lingers on as Aragorn returns to Helm's Deep. I believe it was elanor herself who came up with the name. * elanor, I'm sure they didn't actually call her that in the commentaries, but wouldn't it be great if they did? Just to know you made some small contribution. Or at least prove that BG is actually PJ...
thanks, mortsleam by Sabster	Nov 7th, 2003 12:20:46 PM
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thanks, mortsleam by Sabster	Nov 7th, 2003 12:23:56 PM
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by morGoth	Nov 7th, 2003 12:51:31 PM
Whisperings smelled near Nobottle! Sabster, it were that noble Wall Builder, Ingold, who came up with the name
Sorry Ingold, if you're out there! by mortsleam	Nov 7th, 2003 01:11:15 PM
That's the second time I've shorted the wall builder's due credit for Marilyn Mon-Rohan. Won't happen again, I promise. I'm gettin them new batteries for my photographic memory today, right after...shit...what was I supposed to do today?
Since people have complimented my memory for great Sean Bean as by raw_bean	Nov 7th, 2003 01:22:33 PM
"None of us should wander alone; you least of all. So much depends on you. Frodo? I know why you seek solitude; you suffer, I see it day by day. Are you sure you do not suffer needlessly? There are other ways Frodo, other paths that we might take." F:'I know what you would say, and it would sound like wisdom but for the warning in my heart.' B:"Warning? Against what? We're all afraid Frodo, but to let that fear drive us to destroy what hope we have, don't you see that is madness!" F:'There is no other way!' B(angry):"I ask only for the strength to defend my people! If you would but lend me the Ring...Why do you recoil, I am no thief?!" F:'You are not yourself!' B(anger overcoming him):"You FOOL! It is not yours save by unhappy chance, it could have been mine, it SHOULD be mine! Give it to me!" F:'No!' B:"I see your mind! You will betray us! You will take the Ring to Sauron! You go to your death, and the death of us all! Curse you, curse you! And all the halflings!" "Frodo? What have I done? Frodo!" "Frodo I'm sorry!". Phew! I think that establishes my fanboy geek credentials beyond any doubt! :)
Well lah de da raw_bean... by Skyway Moaters	Nov 7th, 2003 01:49:43 PM
... I guess you're just going to have to be disgusted with some of us here. Bit preachy don't you think? Allow me to retort: Get Stuffed. Picks up electric guitar, gives it a strum - - "I fight authority, authority always wins, I said I fight authority, authority always wi-inns, Been doin' it since I was a young kid and I come out grinnin', I fight authority, authority always wi-eh-innns..."
Well la de da raw_bean... by Skyway Moaters	Nov 7th, 2003 01:56:31 PM
... I guess you're just going to have to be disgusted with some of us here. Bit preachy don't you think? Allow me to retort: Get Stuffed. Picks up electric guitar gives it a strum - - "I fight authority, authority always wins, I said I fight authority, authority always wi-inns, Been doin' it since I was a young kid and I come out grinnin', I fight authority, authority always wi-eh-innns..."
Not the first time I've said this, and I doubt it's the last ;) by Pallando Blue	Nov 7th, 2003 02:54:09 PM
...But what the hell are you talking about, Skyway? beanster's good folx!
Color me... by morGoth	Nov 7th, 2003 03:31:44 PM
...a Sooty Shade of Confused also Pallando. I think Moaters has been into the orc-draught again!
No no no no no PB , morG - EVERYONE.... by Skyway Moaters	Nov 7th, 2003 03:32:19 PM
... my comment to Raw_Bean was over his comment EARLIER: "I'm disgusted by the behaviour of some of you here! What can fans of other franchises think of us Ringers if this is how we present ourselves to the rest of the AICN world? You give us all a bad name! Remember, when you venture into other TBs, you are ambasadors for the Ringers, conduct yourselves accordingly! :)" NOT his wonderful Boromir quotes. I got this hang up with authority see? MY problem. My post was not intended with any real hostility however. I was going for 'tongue in cheek', obviously I was wide of the mark by a wide margin; but I don't take it back...
Yeah yeah yeah, whatever! Nevermind! There's FRONT PAGE NEWS! An by Pallando Blue	Nov 7th, 2003 04:41:34 PM
A whole lot to digest THERE, people! Let the wild and untamed speculations commence.....
Skyway Moaters, a tongue in cheek response to a tongue in cheek by raw_bean	Nov 7th, 2003 07:56:28 PM
I was (half)joking with my post. The tone I used, at least, was deliberately school Ma'am-ish, although I stand by the underlying sentiment of the post.
BTW, thanks for sticking up for me, Pallando & morG! :) by raw_bean	Nov 7th, 2003 07:58:10 PM
Pallando's right tho, check out the (non)Saruman news!
My thoughts. by Conan_the_Humble	Nov 8th, 2003 08:41:20 AM
Just my Two Bobs for raw_bean's post there away's back a bit. Unfortunately to the hardcore SW and Matrix fans, raw_bean, we're basement dwelling, dungeon master geeks with no lives away from our computers. NOTHING any of us has yet been able to write has been able to sway any of these people. Thus I now feel free to say whatever I like. I'm not representing anyone other than yours truly, I don't only post in LOTR tb's... Now I'm off to the front page to 'upset' some more non LOTR tb'ers. Cheers.
Conan, its not really about representing Ringers, I was just jok by raw_bean	Nov 8th, 2003 03:36:37 PM
It's about politeness and respect for others, whether you think they deserve it or not. It's about not sinking to the level of MisterGrimmloch and other trolls who've come here just to insult us, and not decrying them nasty trolls before yourself going away to other TBs and behaving the same way there. All this bickering and insulting each other just saddens me. Am I really the only TBer who genuinely doesn't have an issue with any other group of people on AICN and feels no urge to be rude to anyone (at least, not unless they provoke me to it)? :(
Before the violins start playing, I'll try to regain my composur by raw_bean	Nov 8th, 2003 03:49:45 PM
Sorry if that came across a bit too cry-babyish. There's nothing wrong with teasing, ribbing and jokey rivalry, of course. I should point out, I'm a big fan of Star Wars and the Matrix films as well as LOTR, and although I would never have gotten into a group of TBers on those franchises 'instead' of here with you lot, I would have gotten into the SW and Matrix communities 'as well', except for the vast number of trolls, ignorant idiots and all the bitter fighting that goes on on Matrix and SW TBs. I really got into Ring TBs here, and only casually pop into others, because Ringers, for the most part, seemed a different breed; friendlier, more tolerant, more intelligent and mature, more prepared to discuss films in a grown up manner. It's a bit of a culture shock to find some of these same Ringers are also part of the problem on the SW and Matrix TBs. ---- Ah well, I'm not one to be down for long. :) Anyone seen the latest stuff on TORN? Pallando, the MTV Gollum speech IS available as and Easter Egg on TTT DVD. In the US anyway, the last MTV LOTR spoof wasn't available on the FOTR:EE DVD, 'casue the BBFC said the age rating would have to be upped, and the suits didn't like that, so off it went! :( --- Also, an interview on TORN with someone from WETA indicates we'll see more Bilbo in ROTK (Grey Havens I assume) looking really ancient. Some good news is welcome after the unfortunate 'Saruman' sitation.
"Saruman" situation? by raw_bean	Nov 8th, 2003 03:54:03 PM
Hmmm, you could almost say Saruman's been 'kidnapped', from ROTK? Anyone feel like reviving the Big Lebowski fun? My brains not working well enough to figure this one out right now (lack of sleep is to blame, I think, for which I also blame my maudlin disappointment evident in the last two posts. Just to get things in perspective, when I originally was commenting on Ringers baiting SW and Matrix fans, I WAS joking, you know?).
Cheer up, raw_bean by Sabster	Nov 8th, 2003 05:01:04 PM
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But then, of course, the perfect opening for FOTR... by Sabster	Nov 8th, 2003 05:14:14 PM

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