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Is it just me... by ZeroC	Sep 12th, 2003 01:21:20 AM
For some reason I never really enjoyed the animation style of the series. It just seemed like a cel-shaded version of the cheap Saturday morning cg cartoons.
ZeroC, I agree with ya totally. by vesp_e_rillian	Sep 12th, 2003 01:45:53 AM
The look was ok 5 years ago, but now, it's just cheap animation.
Spidey's Animation Style by GLMonkey	Sep 12th, 2003 02:37:23 AM
The MTV Spiderman Cartoon was done by a company called Mainframe, remember the cg cartoons Reboot and Beast Wars. Yeah it's the same guys. I like the look personally, because instead of looking intentionally cg, it has a cooler darker, comic book-esque tone to it. This definately isn't your fox saturday morning spidey cartoon. It is meant for adults, and it shows.
I for one liked the show... by Led Gopher	Sep 12th, 2003 02:42:08 AM
Speaking as a casual fan of the character and the movie, I liked the newest MTV 'toon series. I liked the older FOX series as well. My only complaint about the MTV series is that they aired some of the eps out of order. The 1st epsisode (or was it the 2nd?) had Peter's friend become The Shocker and apparently "die". He did eventually come back after some chick, but in between those episodes, the kid who became The Shocker was back to normal as himself and no one acted the wiser. When are networks going to stop fucking with the cotinuity of their series? They did that with 2 great-but-cancelled sitcoms on FOX too. Andy Richter Controls the Universe and UnDeclared. Both of those shows were shown all out of whack, then the network nixes them. Fucking bastards taking away good shows like that. Keen Eddie was another good show, same for Lucky, and now they're all gone. What do we get instead? UPN crap like The Mullets and Rock Me Baby. Christ, TV sucks ass.
Animation for the MTV Spidey Cartoon Is Better Than Any of the O by HateThaNet	Sep 12th, 2003 02:47:00 AM
The 90's cartoon had the worst animation. Weak traditional cel work paired with horrible CGI. It was painfully obvious when they switched back and forth from one to the other. The 60's cartoon will always be a sentimental favorite, but naturally had rather crude animation. The MTV show is far superior to the others when showing Spidey in action.
Ranks up there with The Maxx, except... by Dlhstar	Sep 12th, 2003 03:53:04 AM
Of the half dozen or so episodes I saw, only a few were great and the rest seemed just a tad below so-so. I just wish MTV would get the complete THE MAXX series on DVD.
MainFrame... by FNORDknt	Sep 12th, 2003 05:47:56 AM
Mainframe makes the best CG toons...At least in look, and MOST of the background stuff in reboot totally rocks for geeks to watch...
The MAXX on DVD!!! by MrGonev5	Sep 12th, 2003 09:39:51 AM
YES!!!! i too want the Maxx on dvd. get off your ass MTV, and get me some Maxx! MrGone
ah man... by TenDeuChen	Sep 12th, 2003 12:00:30 PM
I really lked the series...besides...you can never go wrong with your friendly neighborhood spider-man...
Last EVER? by HailDaHypnoToad	Sep 12th, 2003 02:01:00 PM
What do you mean? Not even reruns? Damn, I missed the one with the lizard. MTV better get their shit together and renew this WONDERFUL cartoon or is it another victim of the Marvel/Sony lawsuit? By the way ENIGMALL, comparing Sam Raimi's Spider Man to George Lucas's ABOMINABLE Phantom Menace is a blow too low. I found NOTHING wrong with Spider Man. Spot on characters, excellent stunt and CGI work and a well crafted story. The Phantom Menace was a travesty. AOTC was only marginally better. What the hell were you looking for that Spider Man didn't deliver? Unless of course, you're stuck on the Goblin suit and the Organic Webshooters. Damn purists. Just be glad Hollywood is finally taking our beloved marvel characters seriously. Personally I can't wait for SM2. BRING ON DOC OCK!!! ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!! (by the way why is the site so SLOW today?)
It was good, but it wasn't great. by Steal_Dragon	Sep 12th, 2003 02:48:37 PM
The "95 version was better, how it continued each episode. The 2003 version was to Smallville/Buffy/Dawson's Creek. The things that sucked about it was 1) Harry. The "Spider-Man killed my father" in every sentence was really getting old. 2)Lisa Loeb as Mary Jane. 3)Why are Mary Jane friends with Peter and Harry. She was a big ho in high school, stringing them both along.
SPIDER-MAN, R.I.P. by fabfunk	Sep 12th, 2003 04:01:53 PM
Surprised to see the show ending... were they only intending it as a short run? Or is it actually returning? I was told that the ratings were pretty high for this. Oh well... aside from some surprisingly good action scenes, and the fact that they quit fucking around and acknowledged that yes, Mary Jane is, was and always will be a total slut, the show was too MTV-obvious. Would've liked to have seen another season though.
SPIDER-MAN R.I.P. by fabfunk	Sep 12th, 2003 04:10:46 PM
Surprised to see the show ending... were they only intending it as a short run? Or is it actually returning? I was told that the ratings were pretty high for this. Oh well... aside from some surprisingly good action scenes, and the fact that they quit fucking around and acknowledged that yes, Mary Jane is, was and always will be a total slut, the show was too MTV-obvious. Would've liked to have seen another season though.
Bendis is a pompous ass and this show coulda been better... by StoneMonkey	Sep 12th, 2003 05:08:43 PM
Just had to add my two cents. I still await the day when Marvel will finally do justice to their comics and do a faithful animated adaptation, frame for frame, word for word from the comics...instead of this PC/revisionist Bendis bullshit. Thank you and I'm out......
awesome by topcad	Sep 12th, 2003 05:25:32 PM
I thought it was good. No better than good, especially the acrobatic action scenes. Color me sad if this is it for Cartoon Spiderman.
Gerry Anderson's Spiderman! by tbrosz	Sep 12th, 2003 06:27:59 PM
The animation style was interesting, but it took me a while to remember where I'd seen people moving like that before, slowly and deliberately, rotating at the joints. Yes! Supermarionation!!
OH MY GOD YOU JERKS THIS SHOW SUCKED by drudgejr	Sep 12th, 2003 07:41:41 PM
this show is HORRIBLE. there are so many plotholes, it massacres the comic, the characters are terrible, the animation sucks, the jokes are stale, it was bad bad bad!
It was the scripts that sucked about this show. by Prof. Pop-Cult	Sep 12th, 2003 08:01:25 PM
Tne animation and production style weren't bad. Nor the voice acting. It was the scripts, frankly, that blew. Compare the writing of the episodes to, say, the first season episodes for Batman: The Animated Series. No comparison. BTAS dealt with far more maturely written stories, and that series was meant for kids! MTV Spidey's plots and characterizations were very lame.
Man, already? by Terry_1978	Sep 12th, 2003 08:23:18 PM
The freakin' show just came out, and was starting to get good! Favorite eps so far were with the Lizard and Silver Sable and Kraven's team-up. And was it me, but did all the characters have the most eerie, yet expressive eyes you've ever seen?
Did anyone else find themselves disturbingly attractive? by Big Bad Clone	Sep 12th, 2003 09:04:33 PM
The combination of a big green eyes, red hair and LIsa Loeb's voice. That shit's just wrong.
Sorry "disturbingly attracted to Mary Jane" by Big Bad Clone	Sep 12th, 2003 09:05:57 PM
Although, if you are attracted to yourself, more power to you and your hand
Good. by JacknifeJohnny	Sep 12th, 2003 10:18:55 PM
Absolutely no surprises there; MTV sucks, their shitty attempt to bring in the comic crowd sucked, and the movie was possibily the most atrocious affront to people with common sense & decent taste in film. No one, I mean fucking NO ONE should be surprised by the show's failure. MTV lives on the ADD kids of the future; even if the show hadn't sucked the shit out of a dead aardvark's ass, it still would've been cancelled due to a severe lack of an attention span on the part of their audience. On the subject of shit,I still cannot get my head around how much fanboys love that badly made piece of shit Dr.Pepper commercial masked as a film. As I sat through that garish fucking turd, a 5 year old kid next to me asked his mother "Mom....can we gooooo!!!", I ask you, If even a child is aware of the shitpile on the screen...how did fanboys miss it!?!?! Don't get me wrong, I love comics, I love Sam Raimi, and I was really excited to see Spider-Man opening day, but it remains the 2nd biggest letdown in my 22 years of filmgoing (1st being Batman & Robin). I just saw Darkman again recently, and I have to say that it's a superior effort in comparison to the dismally uneventful and uninspired Spider-Man.
I liked it by warp11	Sep 12th, 2003 10:44:27 PM
I dug the feel. Some Spiderman was better than nothing. It wasn't crap. I found it relevant. Once again, anything that has any soul or depth is off TV. Fuck it.
The Animation was Great, the writing was dissapointing by Defiant	Sep 12th, 2003 11:01:28 PM
At first I thought the show was cool, but week after week of lame made for TV villians over villians from the comic made me like the show less and less each week. I am amazed that Bendis produced this when his own Ultimate Spiderman stories would have made MUCH better episodes than what we got here.
What bothered me the most about the animation... by Smash Drama	Sep 12th, 2003 11:10:31 PM
...was that Peter Parker and cast wore the SAME FRIGGIN' CLOTHES EVERY EPISODE! What, was this supposed to be Peanuts or South Park? Hello, Mainframe, have you ever heard of a PALLETE SWAP? Change the color of Peter's clothes at least once? Even the geniuses who designed the Mortal Kombat video game figured that trick out. still, sorry to see another great animated series relegated to the dump heap of MTV history (with Clone High and 3-South) in order to have fifty more reruns of the Real World a day. Hello, MTV, how about some MUSIC TELEVISION???
Indy was a cool ass character by Terry_1978	Sep 12th, 2003 11:30:30 PM
Though a tad too spunky at times, she played a nice foil to MJ's wishy-washiness. I had no idea that chick from V.I.P. named Angelle Brooks did her voice....go figure someone from that show having some range like that. Not that it matters, after all those viewings, I still have no idea what Indy's racial background was. Judging from her name, she was supposed to be some amalgamation of asian and middle eastern. And by the by, who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to give JJ Jameson such a weak ass voice actor? Ed Asner played him in the early '90's series, and he has a part on the new show for christ's sake!!!!
Nah not the end of the series by biglawdog1	Sep 13th, 2003 02:42:23 AM
Just the end of the season. Ratings were through the roof for the series. Now we'll get 3-4 months of re-runs. Believe me, it will be back. MTV will run the show into the ground, even if it starts to suck (see the Osbournes). Overall, I thought the series did a pretty good job of developing the character. Some of the villains were pretty weak though- the rocket racer clone was lame, the foreign terrorists were lame. I'd like to see the MTv series take on some of the more traditional villains- Hobgoblin, Mysterio, Doc Ock (though I'm guessing they're not gonna use him due to the movie) and Venom- maybe throw in the Scorpion, Sandman for a laugh - and some cameos from other Marvel stars- Punisher, DD, etc. I watched quite a bit of the 90's cartoon and liked how much of the Spidey universe they covered - hoping the MTV series dares to dig into it as well.
To all those saying the animation didn't suck-- by vesp_e_rillian	Sep 13th, 2003 02:50:39 AM
Umm, you're half right, I guess. When Spidey is out being spidey, it's good. When any other person is on screen, it sucked soo much ass. When Spidey gets cut, It's always In. The. Same. Freaking. Place!!! Christ, could they cut more corners?? Whoever said that the animation for the last spidey sucked (bad mixes with cgi and all) well, yeah it wasn't the best out there, but it was good for the time it was in. Kinda like the first spidey cartoon. This animation is about 5 years too old to look good. Oh, and the wearing the same clothes thing is nothing new. Look at the last animated spidey- Peter= Tan jacket with jeans and tennies. Unless he's wearing an alien costume, or marrying a water-clone of MJ. Hell, look at the older comics! Peter wears the same thing, MJ had the same hair style for ever.... I think I have revealed myself as wayyy to much a nerd here, so I'm gonna stop now.
by Wingnut1A	Sep 13th, 2003 03:46:05 AM
I just can't get past hearing Doogie Howser's voice when I watch the MTV Spiderman show. The show does look good and I like the other Mainframe shows (Reboot especially) but the show doesn't hold a candle to my favorite ... Every time I think of the early '90s Batman Animated Series I love it even more. The animation was fantastic, the stories were entertaining and smart (for the most part) and the voice work was outstanding. Kevin Conroy's Batman voice was absolute perfection, and Mark Hamill's Joker was spot-on. Laura Ingalls as Batgirl/Barbara Gordon. =) ... I even loved the original intro. I used to get chills every time I watched the intro with that fantastic Danny Elfman music. ... I think Ra's Al Ghul will be a great villian in the new movie. I'm rooting for Alan Rickman to play him.
"I just saw Darkman again recently, and I have to say that it's by Voice O. Reason	Sep 13th, 2003 11:40:27 AM
He had me going until I read that line. Good one.
Too bad by SuperJew	Sep 13th, 2003 04:44:54 PM
MTV had a good, "original" show on their hands. Sure it was nothing new, but they way they did it was interesting. The plots were kinda weak but I am basing this off of loving the FOX animated series and following the comics a little. This show actually had surprisingly good action and funny quips from Spidey. Good job MTV. Keep on making BE THE BAND w/ D12 and leave anything with real potential on the curb.
Voice O. Reason by JacknifeJohnny	Sep 13th, 2003 05:28:56 PM
I'm not saying that Darkman is a GREAT film, just better in comparison to Raimi's limpwristed turn at Marvel's flagship whore. It's campy as shit but has a better handle on it's characters, and is actually more eventful and interesting watch than Raimi's biggest box-office success. It doesn't contain awful fucking eye-sores such as the Green Goblin or choppy editing and wasted characters like J.J. Jameson, who came off like a rambling Sesame Street character and then disappeared into thin air. Fuck!, at least Darman had a discernible plot w/ villains that had clear fucking motives!; unlike the lame Darth Vader/join the darkside shit the Goblin pulled. After GG killed his former business partners, his character had no further reason to exist...period. I don't need people to agree w/ me on Spider-Man's suckage, but at least admit that it was a sloppily put together film that hardly escapes a resemblance to 1997's Spawn.
In defense of the Spider-Man movie by Pardon_My_Zinger	Sep 13th, 2003 09:36:10 PM
I don't know WHAT Spider-man movie you guys, The Enigmall and JacknifJohnny saw, but it sure as hell wasn't I one I saw at the theater three times before buying on DVD the day it came out. First of all, JacknifJohnny, you wrote that you "don't need people to agree with me on the movie's suckage." Hey, that's lucky for you. "Marvel's flagship whore?" WHOA. Not entirely sure just what you meant by that, but I'm relatively certain it means you're NOT a Spider-Man fan to start with. If that wasn't already evidence enough of that, the fact that you thought that the Jameson character was a needless throw-away suggests as much, since you obviously aren't aware of how important he is overall to the Spider-Man character and how he'll inevitablly play a part in the sequels. As for the Goblin... let's not forget that he was stark-raving NUTS, and inevitablly would be planning more chaos beyond just killing his co-workers; but he decided, accurately, that Spider-Man stood in his way and THAT'S what drove the rest of the story. Okay, okay, the special effects weren't perfect. Didn't we all agree on that already well over a year ago. They were GOOD, just not perfect. As I've posted before, they weren't perfect in "The Empire Strikes Back," either. "Choppy editing?" Sorry, didn't notice. And Enigmall: The movie "represents everything Spidey is not?" Well, hard to argue with that, given all the examples which you sited... Oh, that's right, you didn't. Listen, I've been a Spider-Man fan forever, and I had been waiting for the movie for almost as long, and I found it first of all to be a VERY true representation of all that Spider-Man is; beyond that, not only was it fun and exciting, but more importantly it was about the HUMANITY, which is something which had overall been missing from most so-called "event movies" for quite some time. Not only that, but the humanity, as any fan of the comics will tell you, is also the essence of Spider-Man himself.
you barely read my post.. by JacknifeJohnny	Sep 13th, 2003 10:43:15 PM
I am a fan of Spider-Man, at least the basic idea of the character; I also like the old stories and a good number of the new ones. I'm very aware of how important J.J.Jameson is to the 40 year history of Spider-Man, and I did not state that that character as a whole was pointless. I was ranting about how badly handled he was and how in the end he turned out to mean basically nothing; further exposure in a sequel doe not excuse a piss poor set-up. On the topic of the Green Goblin, that "he was a stark raving lunatic" excuse works for the Joker, because that's how he's always been set-up; the Goblin is another matter. He's always been a lame attempt to give Spider-Man his version of the Clown Prince of Crime, and the movie barely lifted a finger to change that(poorly ripping the Giant Ballon scene from 1989's Batman w/ out shame). Raimi and Co. obviously tried to set up reason for the Goblin to be around w/ that ridiculous Darth Vader dialogue, but failed miserably in translating it to audiences that would be looking for a little bit of depth in there super-hero films(namely, ME). As I stated before, watch Spawn and Spider-Man back to back and you'll realize how they are almost identical in terms of being nearly plotless, dumbed down, and choppy as hell, without a hint of personal style to make up for their shortcomings. My "Marvel's flagship whore" comment is not out of any disdain for the character or for Marvel, it's just the way I talk...decidedly non-P.C.
Response to Jacknife Johnny and advice for NewYorkKid by Pardon_My_Zinger	Sep 14th, 2003 12:52:22 AM
JACKNIFE JOHNNY: First of all, if you're not PC it's fine by mean. Let me also say that I never saw "Spawn" (additionally, I lost interst in the comic book after issue #1 and I never saw the animated version) so I can't comment either way on that particular comparison. Now as for the "Spider-Man" movie... First of all, I DO think that Jameson was important in this first film; mainly because let's not forget that Marvel Comics in general but especially Spider-Man created - or at least made the most of - the idea that unlike in the DC Universe, superheroes are NOT universally loved, often being the subject of suspicion, distrust, scorn - even flat-out hatred by the general populace. Jameson, through the anti-Spider-Man stance which he takes in his paper, spearheads this, which is important to the film and the character. The Green Goblin tells Spider-Man that the masses will turn on him, so he should turn on them first. As such, Peter/Spider has to wrestle with this dilemma. See where I'm going with this? Now, as for the Green Goblin himself... I honestly NEVER noticed ANY similarity between him and the Joker, nor have I ever heard it suggeted by anyone else (The Flash's enemy the Trickster, sure... ) If the Goblin truly is just a "lame attempt to give Spider-Man his own clown prince of crime," as you suggest, they've sure stretched this lame excuse pretty damn far - he's consistantly been Spider-Man's greatest enemy in the comics, spawning another major villian in the Hobgoblin (not to mention lesser-known spin-offs like DemoGoblin and the Golden Goblin). The character of the Joker is meant to play upon the irony that clowns are "supposed" to be good, comforting and funny, but many people still find them scary and unsettling. Goblin, by contrast, represents an image which is supposed to be scary to begin with. Also, unlike the Joker, the Goblin doesn't try to be that creative in the chaos which he puts forth, and would never, say, spike hygene products the way the Joker did in the first "Batman" film. About which, I'll grant you the thing about "Spider-Man" lifting the giant ballon scene from that first "Batman" film; but since I din't notice it up until now it obviously doesn't bother me that much. But I also didn't notice any similarity to the way Darth Vader speaks, and I still don't think I agree with that... I have a hard time picturing Darth Vader preparing to kill someone by singing a song to the tune of "Itsy Bitsy Spider" (which I thought was great - I'm sorry) As for your accusation that the film was "plotless"... you'll notice that most first films in superhero series have mutliple plots, as they need to first set up the presence of the hero (or heroes) and then get to the villians and supporting characters... this was the case with the aforementioned first "Batman" film, along with those of the "Superman" and "X-Men" series. Ditto "Daredevil" and "The Hulk," but I think we can agree those movies had a whole other set of problems. Which btw brings me to this... you said "Spider-Man" had no "personal style." Well, I think that Raimi recognized that there's an amazingly complex simplicity to the Spider-Man character - which you know about if you're the fan you say you are - and didn't really need any as such. I don't think that Richard Donner's personal directing style lept off the screen in "Superman," do you? I suppose it can be argued that Tim Burton brought some of his personal stamp to "Batman," but I don't think that if you watched it for the first time not knowing who directed it you'd automatically guess the same director as "Beetlejuice" (as you very well might if you saw "Edward Scissorhands" under those same conditions). On the other hand, Ang Lee DID try to bring a personal style to "The Hulk," and I think most of us can agree that while the movie was ambitious, this attempt backfired on Lee, perhaps quite badly. Now NEWYORKKID... Well, we all know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder... however, if you think that Kirsten Dunst is ugly, I recommend making an appointment at your local Pearl Vision Center ASAP.
1st off... by JacknifeJohnny	Sep 14th, 2003 05:50:38 AM
Kirsten Dunst is pretty as all hell, and the word ugly need only be applied by a blind man. 2nd, I didn't say that GG sounded like Darth Vader, I was talking about the "come to the Darkside" babble that he was spouting throughout most of the film. The filmmakers obviously tried to give him motivation instead of going the kill for no reason lunatic route, but the plot scheme was poorly illustrated. On the point of GG being a Joker clone, he is what Daredevil is to Batman...just different enough for Marvel to avoid a lawsuit. Ex. If you read Batman:War on Crime, and saw the panels w/ Wayne working out all scarred up on his back, and then chanced upon Affleck's shower scene in Daredevil, there is all the evidence you need of his supposed originality. The Hulk, well surprise of all surprises we actually kind of agree on that one. Although for my money I think Ang Lee gave audiences too much credit in the intelligence, and wanting something different department. But mark my words...in five to ten years people will look back on the superhero boom of the early millenium and count The Hulk as a late blooming classic among the pack. Lastly, I may be more of a DC guy than a Marvel guy, but don't doubt my fanboy credentials.
So apparently... by JacknifeJohnny	Sep 15th, 2003 09:35:38 AM
I liked Spider-Man, I bitched about it because I wanted to impress YOU, and despite my venom towards the 1st I'll be in line for the 2nd??? Thank you, Dr.Freud; now I can go home, fuck my mother, and watch a watch a Spider-Man DVD which I do not own over, and over, and over, and....

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