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THIS MOVIE WILL ROCK...THIS PIC IS PROOF---OH YEAH, FIRST! by aceattorney	Jul 20th, 2003 02:16:06 AM
Bring on Spidey2.
Whoa by ProfessorChaos	Jul 20th, 2003 02:17:38 AM
That looks hella cool. I know it's just a banner, but still.
Why do I do this to myself? by DapperH	Jul 20th, 2003 02:18:16 AM
God... I hate myself sometimes for coming to the site... it builds anticipation (or should that be: an-ti-ci-........pation!) that I know won't be satisfied until next year! Anyway... the poster was nice... but I would rather have the two minutes of footage! :-) -Dap
Bad Ass man by isxia	Jul 20th, 2003 02:21:26 AM

webs on webs by Secret Pants	Jul 20th, 2003 02:21:35 AM
Damn that looks intriguing.... A. Afred Molina will be tons better than Sam Neil. B. There had better be sweet lighting effects from the tentacles C. I need to go buy my ticket for TRANSFORMERS LIVE ACTION MOVIE D. Spidey 2 better be a whole lot more interesting than tobey's interview in Details...
The banner looked cool, and the scene sounds good, but by Ryo	Jul 20th, 2003 02:22:08 AM
I think the arm was animatronic (not that I was there) because Spidey movies and good CGI don't mix. And where's the ROTK reports Quint? Or was that Chris Lee one the only thing we're gonna get? And how come there's no report on the ROTK footage shown at ComiCon?
holy crap by thefutureoffilm	Jul 20th, 2003 02:22:11 AM
I am speechless, Doc Ock looks so fucking bad ass.
Wow. That does sound super-badass. by T-MACK 1.01	Jul 20th, 2003 02:23:15 AM
I really like that Doc Ock poster and I'm loving how the tentacles look. WHen I see those banners flying high in the theatre lobby, well I'll be hooked (no pun intended) til next summer.
anyone else think the black trenchcoat is a bad idea? by Blacklist	Jul 20th, 2003 02:25:28 AM
Maybe I'm just really tired of black trenchcoats everywhere. It just isn't how I envisioned Doc Ock.
Sounds fucking amazing by Archduke_Chocula	Jul 20th, 2003 02:26:47 AM
I can't wait till next year when Doc Ock mecha-bitch slaps Shrek all the way to the bottom of the box office chart
Looks OK... by Sherlock_Holmes_	Jul 20th, 2003 02:33:40 AM
But what's with the trenchcoat?
Sweet, Raimi's going back to his roots! by RenegadeBushido	Jul 20th, 2003 02:35:33 AM
First there was the "eye cam" from Evil Dead 2 then the "arrow cam" from Army of Darkness, now there is the "tentacle cam"? Cool. I heard from either Cinescape or a writer for this site that Raimi is planning to use live action tentacles as much as possible, which I think is an excellent move. Great scoop, great pics (for what they show), and great prospects for the Spiderman franchise in the future.
black trenchcoat by KONG33	Jul 20th, 2003 02:51:31 AM
I too feel it's a dull character design, being he's a scientist he could have worn something unique or appropriate. The poster's awfully dark for 'Spider-Man'.
Molina IS Doc Oc by HempireRecords	Jul 20th, 2003 02:59:06 AM
Since they announced him, I can
"No time to argue! you give me the webbing I throw you a tentac by Tall_Boy	Jul 20th, 2003 03:14:05 AM
dammit I hope they work a line like that into the flick... just, you know, use some tallent. I mean, for fuck's sake, the main baddie was in the greatest scene in Spielberg's career and the best Indy scene of all time. ARgh! I just want to see him steal an idol or something.
Wasn't there a Mignola/Hellboy panel today? Any word on that? by Andy Travis	Jul 20th, 2003 03:22:47 AM
Yes, Ock looks cool. The scene sounds like classic Raimi all the way.
weird... those arms remind me of the Matrix squid robots.... may by iamarayya	Jul 20th, 2003 03:31:38 AM
ha ha ha...but it looks cool, hope the animate it well...
That poster kicks ass! by Psyclops	Jul 20th, 2003 03:47:43 AM
Alfred Molina looks like a scary motherfucker in that pic, very nice. This movie is looking great so far.
Another 100 million+ in 3 days...there's no fucking doubt about by KAWS	Jul 20th, 2003 03:55:15 AM
Time for X2 to get date raped.
That looks unargueably cool, you have no right to bitch by IndustryKiller	Jul 20th, 2003 03:58:25 AM
Fantastic and bad ass, just like a proper villain should be. At least he doesn't look like a Power ranger monster. Just think how laughable it would have been if they had given him the exact comic book look. In my opinion it was his retarded attire that always seemed to keep him from being a threatening villain. Fantastic Raimi, now lets see if you can keep from short changing his role in the film like you did the Green Goblin in the first picture. You have no excuse now that you don't have the origin story to tell.
I yearn to see Venom on screen someday but I just don't see how by IndustryKiller	Jul 20th, 2003 04:50:54 AM
It's essential that Parker has the costume early considering it's the main reason the symbiote seeked out Eddie Brock, it could feel the hatred for Peter Parker. Other than that I don't even care that they get rid of the Secret Wars intro for the suit as long as they don't make the symbiote a "lab experiment gone wrong". Thats getting a bit too cliche.
The Scene Description sounds super fucking cool, but FUCK THIS B by irc-Hollywood	Jul 20th, 2003 05:19:19 AM
I'm tired of this fucking Matrix fashion revoelution, Doc Ock in a Black Leather trenchcoat? what the flying fuck is that? the guy is like 45, if he has to hide his tentacles behind anything (the obvious reason for the trenchcoat) then they should have given him a fucking long brown jacket and one of those old man hats, Mr Magoo style, that's the Doc Ock i know.
In Fact, Post Production Boys, Make That Stupid Fucking Black Tr by irc-Hollywood	Jul 20th, 2003 05:25:00 AM
done.
MORTAL KOMBAAAT!!! by CuervoJones	Jul 20th, 2003 05:29:52 AM
Enough!
I've been waiting for these pics ALL WEEK !!! by RobinP	Jul 20th, 2003 05:54:13 AM
Ever since the announcement on Coming Attractions. Raimi does it again. There's no way that anybody walking the face of this planet who's even vaguely aware of Spider-Man can fail to be blown away by these photos. No way. Sorry. If you look at Molina with the tentacles and you think "uncool" then you're just deluding yourself - period.
Looks vicious & awesome! by JonQuixote	Jul 20th, 2003 06:13:51 AM
I'm starting to soften my "Why the hell didn't they cast Stellan Skarsgaard?" stance.
Two Words by TheSecondEvil	Jul 20th, 2003 06:34:56 AM
HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
lost the ice too by ChickenGeorgeVII	Jul 20th, 2003 07:13:11 AM
This picture surprised me so much I actually dropped my drink! Now that's sayin' something!....And thus, Agh! My drink! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
Anyone else think the black trenchcoat is going to be what nerdb by ejcarter9	Jul 20th, 2003 07:19:37 AM
I mean Come ON!
I particularly like the mug of juice by Doc Ock's feet - that's by brokentusk	Jul 20th, 2003 08:29:09 AM
Doc Ock actually looks pretty awesome I must say, mind you, they could have dressed him in an Oompa Loompa outfit and he'd still look better than The Green Goblin from the first film. The only problem I have though is the coat, it looks cool and all, but it still should be white - I know the brown-ish coat will look better on screen, but why change it?
Wow, that is freaking cool! by Grey19	Jul 20th, 2003 08:46:56 AM
Molina looks totally badass in that picture. I personaly quite like the black trenchcoat and that's coming from a huge fan of the comics, although I don't think he'll wear it all the time, probably just to keep the tentacles hidden. Do you think that he'll actually be refered to as Doc Ock at any point? I hope that in this one we get more of the wise cracking Spidey that I've always loved, I can understand why there wasn't a lot of that in the first one (after all his uncle had just been killed and it was kinda his fault) but by now he should be more settled into the hero role and be able to have a little fun with it. By the way is there any information on whether or not there is going to be a sequel to Daredevil or if there's gonna be X3 with Singer directing? Just wondering.
Spidey 2, possible spidey 3 by Hellsbuttmonkey	Jul 20th, 2003 09:04:36 AM
I think Doc Ock looks awsome in those pics, dark and sinister, with some bad ass tenticles!!!! I think only Venom should be the bad guy in Spidey 3, would be too much of a screw around to fit Carnage in as well and having to explain both of them and fit them into one film. Instead of the Secret Wars story to introduce the Black Suit, why not use the story from the Animated Series, with the symbiote being trapped on an asteroid?? Personally tho, I think they will use the story from the recent Ultimate Spiderman comics and have the suit being a science experiment. I dont care how Venom turns up, JUST BRING ME VENOM!!!!!!!!
Oh, I forgot - here's the link to the large "gorgeous" QuickTime by brokentusk	Jul 20th, 2003 09:04:39 AM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/ sony_pictures/onceuponatimeinm exico/mexico_windowed_large.ht ml
it is a BROWN trenchcoat by pevenscrwn	Jul 20th, 2003 09:05:26 AM
is there a group of fans more threatened by any top sci-fi/action/comic flick than Matrix fans? i keep waiting to see a post written by by one claiming that Orsen Wells stole from the Marix when he was making "Citizen Kane".
That Spider-Man 2 scene may be just a little derivative, but it' by CoolDan989	Jul 20th, 2003 09:08:40 AM
I'll go and see the movie just for that scene! Of course, I was going to see the movie anyway because I saw the first Spider-Man 4 times in theaters and it's the best comic book movie ever, yada yada yada...
LETS NOT FORGET SPIDERMANS OTHER MOVIE.. SEABISCUT!!! by Rcamacho2278	Jul 20th, 2003 09:26:37 AM
seabiscut will RULE!!!
BATMAN vs ALIENS vs PREDATOR feat. The Joker by zillabeast	Jul 20th, 2003 09:33:55 AM
hip hip hooray!!!!!!!
Do the tentacles sodomise any deer (or related fauna)? by DeadRapedDeer	Jul 20th, 2003 09:39:43 AM
The Matrix Unloaded was better than this will ever be.
Costumes right; but he's kinda thin by spider15	Jul 20th, 2003 10:59:03 AM
Everyone knows Doc Ock is the comic books is, as Bart Simpson might say, "pretty chunkified." Still, if the heavy-ish Jack Nicholson could pull off the Joker, who of course looks anorexic in the comics, this should work too. btw: have we lost the war on the title issue? It's DEFINITELY hitting theaters next summer with "Spider-Man 2" on the marquee? Can't win 'em all, I suppose.
Always Something For You To Complain About, Isn't There? by fantasticx	Jul 20th, 2003 11:29:16 AM
Geez...you know...it disappoints me time and time again to read these talkbacks and see people react to a product that looks quite cool with nagging details like "his coat is black and not white and I like it white wwaaaaaaa". You read this site, you should have a general idea of how the business works by now...and there's no way in hell that an adaptation is going to make it through Hollywood completely faithful to it's source material. So it's a darker coat...I'm sure he's in the white coat at some point in the movie but then he realizes that he's meant to look menacing. Just deal with it.
Trench Coat by clj124	Jul 20th, 2003 11:35:30 AM
I have been reading Spiderman for quite some time, longer than some of the posters on this board. The trench coat is a minor adustment that has been made to the overall product. If you want to complain about changes that have been made to a character look at Electro on that new animated series. Those changes were far more than minor tweaks. The trench coat was most likely used because it could hide what ever was controling the arms better than the white lab coat. Do not forget Sam Ramni did not want to use CGI for arms. Just my opinion. Now stop complaining and go kiss a girl, or move out of your parents basement!
White Coat by Shaw	Jul 20th, 2003 11:54:55 AM
Don't forget if and when Doc Connor rears his ugly head he'll most likely be wearing a white lab coat. Why does it matter anyways, it looks cool, we should be happy with that.
I hope it blows aways the first cause the first one was WEAK by Jon E Cin	Jul 20th, 2003 12:06:36 PM

WAAAAHHHHH!!!! by shadoman	Jul 20th, 2003 12:11:10 PM
...WAAAHHHH!! Doc Ock's wearing a brown coat!... sob.... but, no-one will know he's a scientist!..WAAHHHH.......
Meet the Press by Shaw	Jul 20th, 2003 12:23:34 PM
Anyone see Meet the Press this morning? While defending U.S. foreign policy in Iraq Paul Bremmer (the U.S. Administrator there) argued that "with great power comes great resonsibility." Its about time we started taking foreign policy cues from Stan Lee.
WHY FIRST SPIDEY WASN'T GOOD by stlfilmwire	Jul 20th, 2003 12:32:52 PM
Peter learning his Spidey skills and becoming Spiderman was good. But it was stupid that the Green Goblin and Spidey become hero and bad guy in what seems to be the exact same week. It is also silly how Osborne takes a liking to Peter and it's extra stupid how a scientist would go over to some old lady's house to eat Thanksgiving. I hope they don't make similar mistakes... but they will. The animated spidey looked terrible. They need to make more of the fight scenes and web swinging scenes take place at night. I didn't like Daredevil, but atleast they were smart and masked the poor animation with shadows.
FUCK YOU WHINY ASS FANBOYS AND YOUR CRYIN OVER A FUCKING COAT by Goon Bighead	Jul 20th, 2003 12:50:06 PM
Molina looks cool as hell. Period.
how does doc ock get that way in the first place? by Toe Jam	Jul 20th, 2003 12:52:34 PM
i've always been a fan, but not really a reader, of spider-man and i've always known of doc ock, but what is his origin story in the movie? i just don't see how the fuck someone gets mechanical tentacles fused to his or her spine. unless, of course, they go to duke university for a heart transplant.
doc's real or cgi. by gypsyshaman	Jul 20th, 2003 12:55:25 PM
for the record, the tentacles that are seen in the new teaser from sony are mostly the puppets made by Steve Johnson's EdgeFX, and they look damn amazing. Johnson has always done exceptional work, and his attention to detail is unparalleled. im sure some of that scene was cgi, but from my sources its a whole lotta animatronic puppets.....i heard they have like 20 puppeteers who help bring ock to life! johnson's crew and the imageworks guys have pulled off a truly amazing character...i cant wait to see more! more to come if i hear about it! comic-con was great! lates!
another year, more lame comic book adaptations by beamish13	Jul 20th, 2003 12:56:29 PM
am I the only one here that thought that Spidey 1 has one of the lamest endings in recent memory (along with MulholLAND Drive)? plus, the costumes sucked.
Throw Me The Idol!!! by Shaw	Jul 20th, 2003 01:15:07 PM
There is no time to argue senor.
JESUS!!! Now THAT'S what I call "ULTIMATE" Spider-Man! by Uncle Sam	Jul 20th, 2003 01:22:40 PM
Fuck that boring Brian Michael Bendis crap. Those tentacles rule like few things have ruled before! Can you even IMAGINE what Raimi will do with VENOM and CARNAGE in Spidey 3?!
JESUS!!! Now THAT'S what I call "ULTIMATE" Spider-Man! by Uncle Sam	Jul 20th, 2003 01:22:51 PM
Fuck that boring Brian Michael Bendis crap. Those tentacles rule like few things have ruled before! Can you even IMAGINE what Raimi will do with VENOM and CARNAGE in Spidey 3?!
HOT DIGGITY DAMN!! by 007-11	Jul 20th, 2003 01:26:30 PM
That looks even better than I thought it would!
NO 0R6AN1C TR3NCHC04TS!!! by darth_testine	Jul 20th, 2003 01:33:55 PM
Pix look awesome. Molina is an incredible actor. Can't wait.
White coats, brown coats - doesn't really matter, the coat isn't by brokentusk	Jul 20th, 2003 01:41:17 PM
There really isn't any need to hate Doc Ock's look, it's not over the top, corny or fake-looking (like the Green Goblin costume) and he actually looks like he's really pissed off, which is always good. I don't think he looks like a cross between Neo and a Sentinel (even though the idea is hilarious if not awkward), bare in mind that even in the comic books he wears sun glasses and a coat. Granted, in the comics it was a white lab coat (if I remember correctly) and I don't know the reason why they felt they had to change the coat's colour, but that REALLY doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things - the point is: he looks cool. Plus there's the fact that I doubt this guy wears the same coat every day. How many scientists do you know who wear their white lab coats while standing on top of buildings (or wherever he is), or even in public? I'm hoping this time Raimi goes for a much darker tone than the first movie and includes Spidey's comic jibes as he's fighting the villian. White coat or no white coat - this character's design is awesome and the main thing we should be focusing on is the tentacles, which are perfect. I am now going to kiss a girl.
spider-man was a staggering example of total filmmaking incompet by Jack D. Ripper	Jul 20th, 2003 01:43:59 PM
but I'll be damned if this Doc Ock pic isn't the coolest fucking thing I've seen in awhile. I just may have to give Spider-Man 2 a chance. i mean LOOK AT IT IT'S FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!
Reason for the trenchcoat - to hide tentacles? by devil goat	Jul 20th, 2003 01:44:21 PM

Devilgoat by shadoman	Jul 20th, 2003 01:52:29 PM
let it go, man, just let it go....... (There is no arguing with the feeble-minded, if it is not organic web-shooters its a black guy playing Wilson Fisk, or the inclusion of 'Hulk' dogs, or the same actors being used in 'El Mariachi3', or a 3hr movie being split into 2, or a candy-ass, nancy boy playing the Punisher...... OK, scratch that last one, that was fucked up! But you get my drift?)
What we have here... by sirlaughsalot85	Jul 20th, 2003 01:56:15 PM
...is grown-up Harry Potter with a Matrix coat on and Sentinel-style tentacles coming out of his back. What an original concept this Doc Ock is. It would be interesting if he looked menacing but he doesn't. He's a skinny geek with four metal arms. If they wanted to go for some accuracy they could've gotten a guy with bigger build, this guy looks like he always had to give his lunch money to the bully at school.
The Glasses by Shaw	Jul 20th, 2003 01:59:32 PM
In the comics Doc Ock's glasses had a more square frame. What's up with this aerodynamic stylized eyewear? What a load of crap. I'm so not seeing it now.
ARGH! Have to wait another YEAR! And shut up about the coat al by Johnny Ahab	Jul 20th, 2003 02:37:12 PM
I'm thrilled! Can't wait! Molina is an INCREDIBLE actor, and instead of everyone bitching about the color of the coat and that the tentacles look too Matrix-y, can we thank Raimi & Laura Ziskin for picking stellar actors like Dafoe & Molina and NOT FREAKIN' MOVIE STARS for the cast?? And I'm tired of people shitting on the first movie. It's not perfect, but it did so many things well (especially in the first hour) that I'm willing to forgive it (ESPECIALLY in the wake of the big action shitfest movies of this summer). I'm very optimistic about Spidey 2, and will just try to shut all you naysayers out. My only request: MORE J.J.J.!!! J.K. Simmons is just too damn brilliant as Jameson, and I hope he figures in more this time around. And I'll say it again for the inevitable Spidey 3: BEN KINGSLEY IS THE VULTURE!!! Nuff said.
DOC OCK LOOKS AWESOME! by screenplaywriter	Jul 20th, 2003 02:39:18 PM
I thought of maybe he would've had a white lab coat, but who knows maybe they'll throw it in. This looks awesome though, I thought Molina would not pull this off, but he does spectacularly. Alfred Molina IS Doc Ock. "SPIDER-MAN 2" is going to be a great movie! And the scene description sounds absolutely fantastic, better than most of these other superhero movies.
You guys should buy the complete run of the Ultimate Spier-man by JUSTICE41	Jul 20th, 2003 02:49:19 PM
Because that version of Doc Ock and Spiderman is what is being used for the Movies. I would say the Lizard is going to be the next villian. They aren't going to use the new villians. Only little kids know who they are, their going for the classics baby. Lizard, Doc Ock ,Vulture, Electro, Sand man, Kraven the Hunter. Just check out the Utimate Spiderman and see how close to the movies they are. Makes yu kinda wonder if the studios are in cohoots with Marvel.
holy shit!! Louis Theroux is Doc Ock!!!! by DukeDeMondo	Jul 20th, 2003 02:54:47 PM
Wow!!! I didn't think Louis would do anything as cool as that time he tried to be a porn star, but here he is in Spiderman 2!!!! Wow!!! And whats this i hear about Ruby Wax as Catwoman!!! Shit!!! I can't wait for this!!! Yes. he looks very, very, very cool.
Didn't like the first 'Spiderman', never read a Spiderman comic, by Zemora	Jul 20th, 2003 03:00:45 PM
I sat through that 'Spiderman 2' clip at Comic con yesterday, and nearly peed down my fucking leg, IT SO FUCKING KICKED ASS AND BALLS. After last summer's Spiderman, I swore I wouldn't sit through another, but fuuuuck, I'm gonna have ta see this one, damnit....
Just for the record... by Saluki	Jul 20th, 2003 03:17:36 PM
... I'm in line July 2nd for this one. Sexcellent.
Damn that IS Louis Theroux! by JacksonsBane	Jul 20th, 2003 03:20:39 PM
So sweet talkin' Louis persuaded Sony to let him be in the poster instead of Molina. Damn that silver tongued nerd.
OK, here we go... by Terry_1978	Jul 20th, 2003 03:38:45 PM
Very nice job of getting the physical look of Doctor Octopus down...not a very physically fit fellow, due to his tentacles getting all the exercise as it were...I don't mind the trenchcoat right now, as they may give Doc Ock his form fitting suit orange and green suit later on in the flick, ya never know....what was his purpose for donning that outfit anyway?
Spiderman 3 by thefutureoffilm	Jul 20th, 2003 04:01:25 PM
i know that they are introducing Dr.Connors in Spiderman 2 but I think that they should have Harry Osborn discover the Spiderman suit in Peter's room just like in the comics. At that point he realizes that the "only family he has left" was the one that "murdered" his father. He then somehow finds the goblin suit and glider and becomes the next Green Goblin, setting up The second Green Goblin for Spiderman 3 !!!! Oh yeah Karl Malone does suck.
Yes... it's Lou Theroux alright. by stlfilmwire	Jul 20th, 2003 04:14:05 PM
Molina doesn't like still photography. He thinks it's far different than acting... so he tries to avoid it as much as possible. Can't blame the guy. I'm sure he wasn't being a Diva or anything... he's just insecure about his looks. Since Louis Theroux's profile had been often confused with Molinas, Grant Curtis went ahead and said "What the hell." On the early teaser stills, it will be Theroux... but I'm sure they'll get Molina on the final poster.
Spidey 2: whats the title? spidey united? spidey returns? by scarletspyder	Jul 20th, 2003 04:29:08 PM
Doc ock looks very cool..granted too much of a look a like to a squidy from matrix..but some people have a little too much imagination if they think he's the product of a neo/squidy crossbreeding product (your probably thinking about your siblings in the same way....very sick). As to the title: has there been anymore positive titles been announced. Spidey Lives, etc sucks!!! and Spidey 2 with a possible title is a bad idea (that was my only quible with x-men 2. My final word: who the hell brought up Batman movies!!!! the comparisons to the batman trilogy (yes trilogy. batman and robin should not exist. every piece of evidence of it existence should be wiped of this earth) to spidey is a terrible comparison and that person should be shot. Batman vs predator vs aliens. who came up with that idea..two of the above absolutley..people with actual decent sized brains will no which ones will actually be possible. the combination of the three maybe stretching it in the comic books, never mind the big screen. until Bruce cambell rights spideys lines in the next film (which he should as he has that kind of humor sadly needed in the first film i'm going be sceptic as to is success over the first film. my bet for spidey 3 villian: sinister 6. kill 6 birds in one movie, as a franchise past 4 movies with the same cast will be pushing fans and critics a like. to those who disagree with any of the above: bring it on Hormell Chili!!!!!!!!!
Molina's hair by mascan	Jul 20th, 2003 04:38:30 PM
Given Alfred Molina's penchant for wierd hair, I thought he would have taken Doc Ock's Beatle-style do from the comics. Aside from that, it looks kick-ass!
I absolutely love the Doctor's look, can't wait for Spiderman 2, by user id indeed!	Jul 20th, 2003 04:47:09 PM
If that trenchcoat is meant to hide his tentacles, it doesn't seem to be doing a very good job.
Is it just me? by canewboy	Jul 20th, 2003 04:48:35 PM
Or does that poster look like Al Pacino in scarface with some fanboy tentacles drawn in...I dunno...maybe I'm just tired...
This will be better than the first by UberSpectre	Jul 20th, 2003 05:04:49 PM
You can just sense it I think... This won't have all the pointless set up of Parker trying to get his mack on and etc. I did like the first one a lot its better then most movies lately and its still better then the 2 X-Men movies amd Daredevil... Doc Ock looks kick ass too... Another thing I wanted to mention was someone brought up Ben Kingsley, I think he would be great as the Vulture when the guy is old... I doubt they will ever make a movie with that character they will most likely do Venom and Carnage... I hate Daredevil for stealing the King Pin because if he were in a Spider man movie they would have given that character more screen time dammit
Why They'll Never Do The Lizard by Stormin	Jul 20th, 2003 05:25:42 PM
Sure, they may have Doc Connors in this movie, but that doesn't mean that the Lizard will ever be seen on film. His origin is the exact same as Green Goblin and Doc Ock, and I think Riami would only get away with repeating the scientist testing on himself and going evil origin once. So the only way we'll be seeing the Lizard in a Spidy sequel would be with an altered origin, or reviewers would howl for blood. And whoever this Karl Malone is, I'm sure he is a donkey sucker. I mean, just look at the name.
Possible casting ideas for "SPIDER-MAN 3" by screenplaywriter	Jul 20th, 2003 05:29:39 PM
Venom-Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, or Lou Firrigno. I mean come on he was reduced to a minor cameo with "THE HULK" I think we need to see this guy do some heavy damage. Either these two guys or Vin Diesel. Carnage-Sam Rockwell Lizard-My choices were Jeremy Irons (please don't hate me for saying that) or some skinny shrimpy guy. Ben Kingsley-Vulture nuff said. Mysterio-Not sure. The Rhino-Brock Lesnar. HobGoblin-Mark Hamill just as the voice. Electro-I dunno.
And in my opinion the new "SPIDER-MAN" comic book series ruins t by screenplaywriter	Jul 20th, 2003 05:33:27 PM
The Rhino-Made it a robotic suit. The Green Goblin-Designed him as like a green devil. Venom-A science experiment gone wrong. Come on people! Stay with the original material! Now, "SPIDER-MAN" the animated series on FOX that stayed true the comics and this new on MTV somewhat stays true to the comics.
Doc Ock...... by webhead66us	Jul 20th, 2003 05:34:18 PM
This is for all of you generation x, still in diapers comic fans.........GET A LIFE !! To write in whining about Ock's trenchcoat is immature and a little pathetic. If you'd done even a little research you would know that Dr. Octopus never wore a white lab coat,....that was Dr. Conners (aka the Lizard) Ock traditionally wore a green and orange outfit. I've been a fan and collecter for over 2 decades now and personally I think Molina looks great ! The only thing I'd hope they will do is to make Ock as sinister and ruthless as he was in the comics. It pains me to see the young people of this day and age so concerned with such trivial things. How about being pissed that the Goblin looked like a power ranger reject, or that they made Kingpin a black man? Regardless of your whining, I think Spider-man 2 is gonna rock ! Doctor Octopus is by far one of Spidey's most deadliest enemies.......I'm looking forward to it. 'Nuff said !!
Re: the black trenchcoat ... by ChaseSequence	Jul 20th, 2003 05:37:15 PM
I don't mind it, but I'm hoping -- and kind of expecting -- that they did that partly to obscure the arms a bit ... I mean, if they're permanently attached to him (as in the comics), he MIGHT actually want to walk around in a trenchcoat to hide them. (I hope I didn't just say something stupid; I didn't read the article, because I didn't want the story to be spoiled -- I just wanted to see the Doc, and I'm happy.)
bitch bitch bitch by milesmonroe	Jul 20th, 2003 05:41:58 PM
the fact is, regardless of how much people complain about this or that... you're all going to be pissing on yourselves to see this movie. also, sony owns you. nerds.
Kingpin was fine in "DAREDEVIL" and geeks need to quit whining a by screenplaywriter	Jul 20th, 2003 05:54:02 PM
Kingpin was fine in "DAREDEVIL" the main problem was that you guys bitched about him not being white and about Mark Steve Johnson. He did the movie fine, the only problem was it was too short. If a bigger story were to develop then it would been ranked better with "BATMAN", "SPIDER-MAN", and "SUPERMAN". Doc Ock's coat is probably just something he is going to wear while walking down the street. I'm sure Raimi will give him the orange and green armored suit, if not then he'll give him the scientist lab suit. And Green Goblin did not look like a Power Rangers reject. It looked fine. It looked sinister. Sure, they could've colored coated some purple on the helmet to make it more "comic-booky" and "true" to the comics, but I think the suit was more realer. So, all you geeks quit bitching about things and enjoy the movies and the people who make them.
Doc Ock doffs a leather trenchcoat and fights terrorists in a ho by GypsyTRobot	Jul 20th, 2003 06:15:59 PM
Hey, Alfred Molina is almost as Doc Ockey as Elton John. Today I applaud the casting choices of the Big Casting God in the Sky.
Too bad Roy Orbison is dead..... by FifthDream	Jul 20th, 2003 06:48:38 PM
...He would have made the best Doctor Octopus.....
the poster is great; I hope the film is too! by lynxpro	Jul 20th, 2003 06:54:47 PM
I've been a fan of Molina's since his role in a little film called "Scorpion Spring" (why isn't it on DVD yet???). He'll make a great Doc Ock. And as long as they stay far away from CGI for the most part, the better. That was my only gripe about the last Spidey film. I still laugh every time I see the balcony scene in the World Unity Festival. They make it appear like its hundreds of feet above the street when it was only about 20ft. off the groud at the Downey lot. Were they trying to be ironic by having a defense contractor (Oscorp) sponsor a music/peace festival for a PR stunt? Quick, someone read the legal brief from Ted Newsom to find out...
yessssssss i have been waiting a long time to see a pic of doc o by jon-e-blaze	Jul 20th, 2003 07:04:54 PM

Good Grief by Ribbons	Jul 20th, 2003 07:09:47 PM
Some people, it seems, will never allow themselves to be complacent. His look sucks because he's wearing black leather instead of a white, tatty labcoat? Yeah, because in the real world, you'd never be able to justify a guy putting on a black leather jacket. Say what you will about how the stereotypical mad scientist look speaks to you, but this look is fine. Anyone who thinks this picture foretells a bad movie is completely anal.
Little, four-eyed, whiney, geeky-ass fanboys need to shut the he by Roach666	Jul 20th, 2003 08:40:28 PM
Number one, you are NOT true fans, because if you were, you would completely disregard the color of Doc Ock's coat, and focus on what really matters, and that is Molina's performance, and his ability to actually come through and deliver the way all the TRUE fans know he will! Secondly, anyone who did not like Spider-Man either - A. Has no soul, B. is a complete and utter RETARD, who should be locked in a home, away from NORMAL people, or C. All of the above. Either way, you're a complete ass, and should be treated as such.
As long as we're on the subject of defending movies by Ribbons	Jul 20th, 2003 08:43:31 PM
Enough with the smarmy Green Goblin insults. Honestly, it's really annoying. I almost wish I could reach through the computer and bitch-slap some of you. People have to accept the fact that comic books don't have as many boundaries as movies do. Plunking a quasi-medieval monster (a la Alex Ross's interpretation) isn't as seamless as it probably appears to be in your imagination. No, it's not a perfect film, and yes, people have a right to get worked up over certain changes, but this isn't even like the Punisher's hair color. While it's in a sense more prominent than that, it's also harder to work into the movie. Really, just think about it for a second. The whole movie would have needed an overhaul, and with that you risk losing certain scenes that are more important to the story than how high the Green Goblin's costume ranks on AngryTalkbacker999's jizz-o-meter. I don't say this for the sake of being contemptible, but in defense of the people who actually did work on this project. ******* On a different note, I am kind of wondering whether or not the audience is going to get sick of lab experiments gone wrong (all of them in New York) creating an assembly line of supervillains. Green Goblin, Octavius, The Lizard, and possibly Venom (or Carnage if New Line holds out) would all most likely be test tube babies. Greek tragedy, meet frying pan.
Holy monkey crap! by Devil'sOwn	Jul 20th, 2003 08:54:55 PM
Doc Ock looks cool. I find it hard to fathom how miserable some people are out there that they would start fussing based soley on a preliminary image. I'm an old school comic book fan, and always labored under the assumption that people who posted here were fairly bright fans, but based on what I read here lately a lot of these folks are either chronic whiners, or just out-and-out dumbasses. Sorrow, sorrow. I won't waste time stating what some other posters have more than eloquently said. We've all had to deal with the movie-izing of our favorite characters. Imagine my distress at seeing my idol Wolverine played by some tall, pretty guy. But, dammit, they got the job done. I personally don't think anyone would want to see too literal a translation of comic to screen. That would look very... gay. Which is fine if gay is what your aiming for, but in order for these movies to be anything more than camp, cult or kitsch, dammit, you have to to be willing to go with it, trust in these well-paid, pseudo-intelligent professionals to bring this unusual imagery to the screen. More often than not, over the past few years they've been pretty good at it. I don't pretend to know how good this movie will be. It'd be one of the nicer things in life if they could produce a healthy, successful franchise, something that you could look back on in a few years and say, "Y'know, I was very entertained/moved/pleased with the Spider-Man series." It can be done. But some o' you tards gotta get used to the fact that Joe Cinema ain't gonna want to see a dumpy scientist in an olive-green jumpsuit. Redundant as it sounds, the bar has been raised by movies like The Matrix. I'm pretty damn sure there's no going back to technicolor tights.
And ANOTHER thing that pisses me off. . . . by Roach666	Jul 20th, 2003 09:20:53 PM
. . .all the comparisons of Doc Ock's tentacles to the Sentinel's in The Matrix, as if Sentinel's were the first and ONLY things to have mechanical, squid-like tentacles. Come on! GET OVER THE COSTUME! P.S. Everyone might have a right to bitch about subtle changes in the costume, but that doesn't relieve them from being labeled as a total jerk-off, at least not while I'm around. "I'm an asshole, and I'm proud of it." -Roach, a TRUE fan.
Hellboy info... by vorpalbuni	Jul 20th, 2003 10:05:36 PM
Just in case anyone else is still interested, Mike Mignola came out Saturday afternoon to the Con to discuss the HELLBOY film still in production, He didn't really have any news, as they are still in production in Prague, but he did show a five minute behind the scenes clip and it looked pretty good, if a little cheesy, He confessed it might not capture the full feeling yet, but that's only because they haven't finished production or begun post-production work yet. He is involved in every aspect, from pre-production and hopes to follow it through post. He's been working with director on this for 7 years, and seems very pleased with every aspect of the film adaptation. Other comic-con news: Dave McKean and Neil Gaiman just wrapped then production on MIRRORMASK, a really cool looking fable for the Jim Henson company in the tradition of THE DARK CRYSTAL and LABRYNTH (sp?). Spike & Mike's Sick and Twisted festival has a bunch of new cartoons, and surprisingly many of them are actually funny and cringe-worthy in a good way.
Better... they're getting there by TheWoodMan	Jul 20th, 2003 10:10:15 PM
Better than the Mecha Goblin from the first movie. He looked like a Micronaut... which would've been fine if they'd been doing a Micronauts movie, but they weren't. I was afraid they'd go with the green & yellow battle-armored action figure style for the Doctor, but maybe they're calming down a little bit (or maybe Steve Ditko tracked down Raimi and gave him a good bitch-slappin'). At this rate, there's hope that we'll get a nice, basic old-school Lizard in Spider-Man 3 (a seven-foot tall gecko in a lab coat and purple pants... NOT the huge, naked iguana-man seen in MTV's "Spider-Man: The Legend of Zelda"). Remember the lesson that the producers of "(The) Hulk" learned the hard way: REVISIONISM BAD, FAITHFULNESS TO SOURCE MATERIAL GOOD.
what a collection of assholes!! by hanktallica	Jul 20th, 2003 10:14:19 PM
IT IS A BROWN TRENCHCOAT. and that is neither interesting or important. it is a good interpretaion of the doc ock character...the best i can imagine for film, judging by these few pictures. the first film(and yes, i do mean film...)was fantastic and the new one will be wonderful. i've noticed how so many people had a problem with the green goblin costume. GET OVER IT. pay attention to the adaptation. it is a military design. would you prefer spandex which never looks good on film? think back to the batman movie of the sixties...a terrible costume when worn by an actor, yet fear inspiring in print. case in point:full adaptaion is impossible, for the simple reason that alot of times, people that have an ability to act, just do not look good or menacing in skin tight spandex. thank you.
How Come There's Only 4 Arms? by AlphaAlfa	Jul 20th, 2003 10:25:45 PM
4 Arms plus two of octavius's gives 6... Aren't octopi suppose to have 8 arms?
HULK SMASH puny Octopus nerdboy trying to look like Neo in stupi by Moriarity Report	Jul 20th, 2003 10:35:04 PM
Hopefully Raimi saw HULK, a real superhero movie, and realized that this is how he wanted to and should have done Spider-man. I won't be able to sit thru another Spider-man done as a movie of the week like the first one was. The Garbage Pail Kids movie had better direction and more interesting special effects. Not that it was bad, it was just so mediocre. HULK at least took some chances with the material, and it was really, really weird. But it really worked because the effects were great and because of the direction! It was a comic book brought to life! Exactly how I thought Raimi would film Spider-man! All those split screens and angles and weird shit coming out of nowhere. And as for the Matrix influence, that's fine, I'd much rather have them copy the Matrix's fx than use the same unimaginative stuff in SPider-One. If they were going to do a Matrix rip off though they should have made the villain Mysterio "a magical, mysteria, when ya get that feelin, better start believin!" Fans should be thankful for Mollina though just because he's nto a big star that everyone knows like Dafoe was. Dafoe gave a really good performance but people should have been really creeped out by the Goblin, but it was just Dafoe playing the Goblin. He's too well known. A similar thing happened with Nolte and HULK except Nolte really did a poor job and was just miscast completley.
Good Report Quint & A Request by Old Darth	Jul 20th, 2003 10:41:43 PM
Good stuff Quint! Really looking to seeing Doc Ock in action + Spidey moving around with full command of his abilities. BTW - throw us a bone in regards to ROTK. Give us a timetable for the remainder of your reports. How many are there going to be and how regular are they going to be? I guess you are going to drag them out till December eh.
This just in...Venom Symbiote to be played by...Keanu Reeves hai by Moriarity Report	Jul 20th, 2003 10:56:35 PM
The Alien Costume is something that they really shouldn't change because it really negates the whole point of Venom in the first place if they alter the origin. The costume needs to attatch itself to Peter first so it can absorb his powers, and then get pissed off when Peter ditches it. It then finds Brock and endows him with Peter's powers and bulging penis. It's a Spider-Man vs Spider-Man story. I mean, that's where these things always go anyway. Superman III was Superman vs Superman, Wolverine fought Mystique as Wolverine in the first X-Men movie, and Picard fought himself in Star Trek 10. The idea thing would be for Peter to aquire and abandon the costume in Spidey 3 and then have Venom in Spidey 4. This would echo the brilliant way they handled Zod and co. in Superman I and II. And to have Spidey fight in the black costume in 3 would be a great way to sell more Spidey action figures!! It's certainly a better idea than the costumes they did for Batman Forever and B&R for no apparent reason. They also need to do a "whodunnit" Hobgoblin story involving Harry as one of the possible suspects. That's the only way to do it. I mean, I don't know why they'd just do the Green Goblin II story instead of doing the Hobby story instead. This could be Spidey V and it could bring things full circle from the first film nicely.
I think it looks unrealistic. by Grendel's Mom	Jul 20th, 2003 11:08:28 PM
I haven't read all of the talkback, but I think I am the only one who thinks it looks stupid and totally unrealistic. The man must be carrying over a hundred and fifty pounds of metal from the center of his back. His center of gravity should be completely off. He could never stand up, never mind straight.
Spidey doesn't need a puter glitch to kick Doc Ock's butt, but t by JasonDkEldar	Jul 20th, 2003 11:21:57 PM
Alfa .. Eight limbs.. two arms, two LEGS, and four tentacles.. As for you folks calling mechanical tentacles "Sentinel-style"?? This is getting old guys .. The X-Men going black leather was so-so, but dark clothes for a villain, killing the mid-20th-Century sterotype for someone interested in science always wearing a labcoat, even on the street?? All for it .. Doesn;t matter what color it was, is, or will be, as far as the costume derivation goes, since Neo was not the first action star to don black leather trench-wear, just the first one TRL-worshipping fanboys ever were exposed to. The look was meant to signify retro-hip, as opposed to the retro-square of the puter agents, suupllanted by the puter assassins in grey trenchcoats in this flick. Sorry for you guys if the sequel to what you believe to be the only sci-fi movie ever made didn;t pan out, but with your blind support, Silver will sell you out in a couple years and make more bad product, just like Marvel was prepared to do when the tepid receptions of the original Punisher film seemed to support the geek in charge's opinion that comic fans just weren;t that important to the success of the movies based on the comics themselves. This particular form of subgenius logic leads to the possibility of Marvel really ending up only using its characters for product-tie-in marketing, as in commercials and ad copy for kids' products.(THIS WAS THE PLAN BY the MARVEL CEO, to abandon comic production in its traditional sense and depend on merchandising revenue for the characters to support the company.) DC's former Batman writers/editors alleged that people on the streets were legitimately upset that Robin was axed in the 80's, and that the buying customers meant less than the people on the streets who grew up on the pathetic show and bad comics code stories of the 60's and 70's that nearly killed DC. Sorry, but this argument about people on the street knowing more about what is better for the stories almost works based on the reactions from this board over a frigging COAT. This Shatner-diss inspiring nitpicking is what costs you whatever credibility you gain with other people on the subject of the genres we geeks claim to love best. It is not just comics, sci-fi, and fantasy fans that do this though. Try reading several issues of scholar journals featuring different researchers discussing the same event or subject. Even better read works by differing disciplines regarding particulat events or subjects. Bickering is universal, but our much-loved genres suffer because of the stigma that we pay attention to such small detail because we get so absorbed in the things we enjoy. What makes it worse are people who THINK they are geek enough to have a point and then miss the gist of reality as everyone knows it. The Matix was one movie, with many genres and oconventions combined, making it unique in the sense that it synthesized myths and ideas and modern legend to thee point that the result blended well. This is too often a one-time thing however, and those of you waiting for lightning to strike again in this first sequel should remember that for every Blair Witch, there was a Book of Shadows, for very Exorcist there was an Exorcist II:The Heretic. Real trilogies show that they are trilogies in that while each book may resolve, the books together tell a story. Perhaps there will be an edit that comes out with the Special Edition DVD of Reloaded that will be like a reboot of the story, tightening up its flow and giving people abetter sense of what they wanted to accom;lish. As for Doc Ock, don't worry about whether he will come off like Poison Ivy or Bane or Mr Freeze, but worry that he will be badly lit or shot like GG was in the first film, a cinematography and final print choice that was the best compromise considering the time-frame they worked with. I hope with the extra time available with this film that the tweas neeeded to the Spidey motions and lighting will be resolved. Sam Raimi, when not rushed and aloowed to trust his own judgments generally comes in under budget, doing amazing things with the moeny he spent. Personally I think they should go Hobgoblin with Harry Osborn, since Green Goblin's suit drew such fiery ire.
The trenchcoat? What about the tentacles? by FifthDream	Jul 20th, 2003 11:46:16 PM
I'm so used to seeing comic characters upholstered in leather that the trenchcoat didn't even phase me. What did bother me a bit though is the look of the tentacles. Why couldn't they just be cylindrical like in the comics? I'm surprised others haven't said anything about that. I don't mind some changes from paper to film, but unnecessary changes do annoy me. If you're creating something for film that doesn't exist in "real life", why can't it just be faithful to the comic?
REALISTIC?!?! by gypsyshaman	Jul 20th, 2003 11:49:52 PM

realistic.... by gypsyshaman	Jul 20th, 2003 11:52:04 PM
sorry..got ahead of myself there....ummmm...realistic? we are talking about a human whose spine has been fused to a robot...we are talking about a guy who shoots webs out of his wrists and can stick to walls...we are talking about a guy who can get a great apartment in nyc on a photographers salary.....realism please...if i want realism ill go see winged migration....gimmie spidey and the ock guy.....
the tentacle's shape by gypsyshaman	Jul 21st, 2003 12:01:57 AM
from my sources....who i owe so much, say that they in fact DID try to do it originally as it was drawn, with the cylindrical tentical shape coming off of his sides...and they said it looked like silver dryer hose. so they decided to play with other shapes and came up with this one, kind of "pear shaped" and they made the claws much more dynamic instead of the little fingers from the comic....i understand your wanting to remain faithfull to the comics...but sometimes when you translate something literally, it isn't nearly as cool. just a thought. and as for a sense of balance and weight, c'mon...im sure they thought up some ultra lightweight metal or something for the tentacles! let your sense of realism go folks.....imagination is much more fun, as the designers of docock are trying to show us.
One more thing: Organic Webbing..... by FifthDream	Jul 21st, 2003 12:04:34 AM
That's one of the huge things that bugged me about the first movie: Why couldn't Spidey's webs made in web-shooters like the comic. I realized the other night that organic webbing would allow any one of these scientist super-villains to find a scrap of Petey's webbing and analyze it and (possibly) match up sone DNA.... But then again, i guess if they got a hold of Peter's DNA, they'd already be able to see the spider influence in it. ******** See what all the nitpicking has done to me?
If it was real, I'd pee in my pants by pencil-man	Jul 21st, 2003 12:08:32 AM
OK, my turn. All I can say is that When I looked at the Green Goblin long enough, I thought: "If I were young, I'd scare the hell from me." And those tentacles, GROOVY. -Now, about our American translation of this "literature". face it people, these are our Gods. If you knew Spidey 4 years ago, you'd know wat this is all about. "Finally!" I say, some cinema that is high energy and passionate about WHAT MAKES COOL- COOL. - And, finally; Sam Raimi: as soon as I realized his name and his movies i thought he was a good filmmaker. Hell, for a shit budget, even Darkman entertained my dad. It was WAAAY out there, but still had cool stuff- Payton Westlake getting blown through the air like a human fireball, "I'm learning to live with a lot of things.", forget that he HAS NO LIPS. Bruce Cambell as Final Shemp ties it all together for me. I GOT it. And it WAS COOL. - No Doubt S2 will be fun for me, time will tell if it is truly an American classic. Check my post on the Spider-Man review: Watch This Movie In Twenty Years.
re: the tentacle's shape by FifthDream	Jul 21st, 2003 12:18:59 AM
I re-read my post, and it sounds a lot like i'm complaining when i was actually just wondering out loud. But i got my answer. Thanks! **** I do realize that some things don't translate well to film, but every once in a while, as most of us do, i'm sure, i wonder what it would have been like if it WAS done the same as the comic. Honestly though, Octopus looks a lot cooler than i expected he would.
by Guy Incognito2	Jul 21st, 2003 12:40:28 AM

Balance & Weight (re: tentacles) by Guy Incognito2	Jul 21st, 2003 12:44:18 AM
If you'll notice, in the poster, one of the tentacles is anchored to the ground supporting Doc Oc. A friend of mine is an animator on this show and says that lower two tentacles sometimes act as supports when Doc Oc is carrying heavy things. He says in some scenes, the tentacles actually do the walking and carry the brunt of the weight, otherwise his spine would snap. Sounds like Raimi has thought this problem through, guys, so stop your whining.
Doctopussy by I Hate Movies	Jul 21st, 2003 12:55:25 AM
My God, that man has a Hoover shop-vac growing out of his ass!
Bitching about the coat by tbrosz	Jul 21st, 2003 01:30:45 AM
I submit that all those complaining about the "inaccuracies" of this depiction of Dr. Octopus only be permitted to see a specially edited version containing a fat ugly guy jiggling around like warm Jello in a green and yellow spandex suit. With dryer hose tentacles, of course. http://www.fm3d.com/collectabl es/heroes/4041.jpg
NICE!!!!! by ShadowHawk2330	Jul 21st, 2003 01:37:05 AM
this is fricken sweeeeet. i cant wait to see doc ock in action. as soon as i saw the pic i knew people were gonna complain about not wearing the white lab coat. give me a fricken break. i mean wat scientist or for that matter wat worker has his uniform on 24/7. an if u think about the scene they described dont u think cops would be lookin for a scientist with a WHITE lab coat on. i mean come on. of course he's gonna put on a dark trench coat to cover those tentacles an be all elusive. smart very smart. oh an evil too. eeeevil.
Shaw, llac2, and everyone else.... by Stilt-Man	Jul 21st, 2003 02:40:30 AM
who is whining. You folks are going to be the coveted repeat viewers Sony adores when it comes to this movie. You are all going to see the film multiple times just to go on internet forums like this one to whine and get all nit-picky about the "flaws" you find with the film. You guys crack me up...you will be the loudest complainers, but unlike me, who tends to only see a film once (even if I loved it), will make the bean-counters in Holywood VERY happy with your complaints about how the film sucks because they did this wrong, and this thing, and... Getting off on bitching about a film, a film that you will go out to view multiple times, makes you strange critters (most sane folks do not keep giving someone money to see something they loathe). Thanks for the chuckles. Enjoy The Week, Christopher H.
im all for this being superior (in every way) by imageburn13	Jul 21st, 2003 02:56:41 AM
cuz if they drop in another pop singer to do a concert that i didn't pay to see, again, i'll happily pass it off as the death of a potential franchise. god was that annoying.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER COMIC CON REPORTS????? by Biko Salamar	Jul 21st, 2003 06:54:15 AM
i wanna know about HP 3, Revolutions, Hellboy, Gothika...
stlfilmwire's comments by MakeMineMarvel	Jul 21st, 2003 09:54:01 AM
It's OK that you did not like Spider-man but your reasoning in the talkback earlier is totally whacked. Mr. Osbourne did not have Thanksgiving dinner at some old lady's house. It was at Peter and Harry's loft. It was Peter and Harry's first Thanksgiving in their own place and they both invited their only family. Seems perfectly normal to me. And Mr. Osbourne takes a liking to Peter because they are both into science while Norman's own son is not. As for Mr. Molina, I think he was a good choice and looks rather menacing in the poster.
Okay, I saw the Doc Ock clip at Comic Con and lemme tell ya, it by SpyGuy	Jul 21st, 2003 10:24:14 AM
Seriously. You will be totally blown away by this scene and it has everything you could possibly want. My only problem was with Molina's "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" at the end, but everything else was pure fanboy goodness. If the rest of the movie is as good as this one scene, this could finally beat SUPERMAN as Best Comic Book Film...Ever.
Don't complain just yet by Terry_1978	Jul 21st, 2003 10:32:35 AM
This will most likely be a 2 hour plus flick, so a lot can happen during that time. Octavius could merely be using the black trenchcoat when he goes out incognito...he probably does wear the white lab coat whilst in his lab, and Spidey could bust in on him and they could battle it out, white coat and all. And after a few battles with the webhead, Ock may realize he needs to up his arsenal, such as with a green and orange armor suit, lest he run into him again. These are just things I would like to see happen if only for a second or two in the flick, but whose to say?
please by NormanOsborne	Jul 21st, 2003 10:36:34 AM
No talk of Superman being the best comic book film ever. Superman spun the earth backwards and it turned back time. That scene alone makes it ineligible for the title of best comic movie ever.
Y'know, I count myself among the "militant fanboys" & I must say by TheAFLACDuck	Jul 21st, 2003 11:35:09 AM
Doc Ock is lookin' MIGHTY fine! AWESOME even, and yeah ... SCREW the assholes saying he's too "Matrix" ... He's got tentacles, He's got glasses, He's got the "larger framed" Alfred Molina bringing him to life ... he's nearly perfect! So Shaddap! You know you're going to watch it anyway!! I mean, I immediately thought the Green Goblin's costume was goofy and I LOVED the 1st Spider-Man movie (even GG) so this one's lookin' A-Ok.
Go Tentacles Go!!! Reach Your Vertical Limit!!!! by General Idea	Jul 21st, 2003 11:47:07 AM
That looks unbelievably badass. The coolness continues... What other actors are confirmed in Spidey 2?
Doc Ock by DhaliClone	Jul 21st, 2003 12:10:07 PM
Why does everyone always say "Matrix" when something looks similar? For God's sake, The Matrix didn't create slow-motion!TONS of movies used slow-motion before it! And that crappy Wing commander movie actually used that "bullet-time" effect first. The Matrix didn't invent black trenchcoats! When I was in high school, they had them! This kid always wore one!The Matrix didn't invent the idea of an all-powerful person! Superman, Spiderman, Jesus... just name a freakin' superhero, and bam, it's automatically relating to The Matrix. Don't think The Matrix revolutionized anything other than people's abilities to be so naive. Jesus, gimme a break with all this "Matrix" BS. Besides, the second one wasn't even that good.
Better than Green Goblin by Guy Incognito2	Jul 21st, 2003 01:03:23 PM
How the hell can you guys whine about this costume?! It's lightyears beyond the unholy horror that was the Green Goblin's suit in the first one. Has everyone forgotten how incredibly bad that was?
Why does eveyone want to see the damn lizard so bad? by Nice Marmot	Jul 21st, 2003 01:32:55 PM
There are so many other better villains out there. Also, I agree w/ everyone that is for the "introduce the black suit in part 3/Venom in part 4" idea. It's the only way to make it work. And I wouldn't want Carnage involved at all; too complex. Is there any word on how long Raimi will be on board? I don't want to see anyone come in and "Schumaker" everything up. Lastly, I'm sorry I can't contribute more to the embarassingly retarded trench coat debate.
So, perhaps Matrix is replacing Blade Runner as the sci-fi refer by Trav McGee	Jul 21st, 2003 01:57:15 PM
I can't properly express just how sick to death I've been for years upon years upon years, of every single science fiction movie that has even a handful of scenes in the rain, at night, being labeled as borrowing heavily in design from Blade Runner. Decades after Blade Runner. Sure, speaks to BR's impact that it remains a reference point (and it's one of my favorite movies of all time--sorry, "both" versions), but the sheer laziness of reviewers pointing it out anytime there's a downpour in a futuristic metropolis does a disservice to both films. Night, rain, urban, I guess that's all that's necessary to discuss to sum up a film's visuals. (Lazy bastards.) ...So, now it looks like "The Matrix" is going to be the trope trotted out daily for its "style" and "influence." Eh, whatever, not as huge a fan. But it's funny, how all one needs is a leather trenchcoat and shades to be labeled "Matrixy" these days. I wonder if that's going to annoy or inflate the Matrix junkies. All I know is, going by the M:Revolutions teaser there's a fight between Neo and Smith (1) downtown (2) at night (3) in the rain. The first Revolutions reviewer to reference Blade Runner will be getting a knock on their door soon after.
besides by milesmonroe	Jul 21st, 2003 02:13:51 PM
the matrix just ripped off himmler.
Excellent! by Karl Childers	Jul 21st, 2003 03:00:05 PM
It can't get anymore perfect than that. Fuck all of the negative-posters.
IF YOU DONT LIKE HOW THIS LOOKS THEN YOU ARE A GODDAMN HOMO by juxtapoze	Jul 21st, 2003 03:19:07 PM

Facts!! by Canis	Jul 21st, 2003 05:01:00 PM
1 - Doctor Octopus in the comics looked like a total twat. 2 - Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus in the banner looked fantastic (or would you prefer a fat guy in a green leotard?) 3 - Matrix was awesome, Matrix Reloaded was shit, the 3rd film may still be very good.
You cock suckers always bitchin' by super Cucaracha	Jul 21st, 2003 07:46:50 PM
bitchin about the fucking trench coat. The picture looks the shit, at least it looks better than the green goblin. Live life and start jerking off to porn, not to your fucking comics...that's a start. Better yet, get laid you beeatches.
Tentacles by super Cucaracha	Jul 21st, 2003 09:02:42 PM
Matrix fans bitchin' about the tentacles is freaking ridiculous. Spiderman was created before the Matrix movies...I know it is not a very good argument but c'mon. Matrix 1 was good, Matrix Shitloaded sucked...too much CGI bullshit. Off topic, Stallone would have been a better Punisher. I am out you beeatches.
I'm VERY impressed with the "tentacle design" ... the realizatio by JDanielP	Jul 21st, 2003 09:09:28 PM
How lucky you movie industry people can be ... to have the opportunity ... just to HAVE the freakin' OPPORTUNITY to do what you do. - - I've dreamed of making fantasy films ALL my life, ... to make those movies (that I saw) in my mind's eye, when I'd read my favorite comic books as a child. - - But ... you know what's worse than THAT slow torture? Choosing to be "realistic" when you're young, deciding to pursue a comic book career as an artist, ultimately getting turned down time and time again despite letters of encouraging words, meeting the V.President of a MAJOR comic book publisher whom likes your work but doesn't offer you a job, finally getting fed up with the industry and giving up ... and then deciding to work a dead-end job the rest of your life. - - I want to be passionate about what I do, for a living, for a change.
Ebonic Plague, I'm softening my stance by Ribbons	Jul 21st, 2003 11:37:32 PM
You're right, there should be a tolerance for those vocing dissent. All the same, some of you folks have to learn when to pick your battles. While it's all well and good to implore us to put ourselves in your shoes, it's also prudent that people learn to put themselves in the filmmakers' shoes. While a number of talkbackers can make more eloquent criticisms about their misgivings with Molina's appearance (i.e. noticing a trend of leather-clad miscreants, thinking the look of the tentacles are a hard sell), there are others who, at the opposite end of the spectrum from those who decide everything about it rocks, overcompensate for their anxiety by declaring that everything about it sucks (ignorance works both ways, you know). Being relentlessly bitchy is not as effective as you think it is, and in fact may cheapen any dissent that's actually been earned by larger mistakes than this. And, in closing, I know that talkbacks are the places where former rhetoric students go to die, but misconstruing Roach666's comments like that was just low, man. If you're gonna get into that kind of logic, then don't imply that Spidey 2 (might or might not be) short on character development right before you proclaim that a leather jacket on a poster is not indicative of a movie's quality.
If You Feel Like An Enemy, Follow Me! by We_Are_Legion	Jul 22nd, 2003 12:08:14 AM
i was at the comic con with my fellow nerds and geeks. man doc oc looks awesome!!!to those who are complaining about the trenchcoat. do you really want to see the doc oc in green spandix? jesus, even in the comic book series grew out of that idea. did we not learn anyhting from the fantastic four movie(cheesy costumes and the thing looked like crap)! sometimes change is good(except for the first punisher movie ).
Spidey 3 info by Ribbons	Jul 22nd, 2003 01:29:32 AM
I don't know how many people already know this, but I read in Wizard magazine--(covers face to protect himself from thrown stones)--like I was saying, I read in Wizard magazine that the actress who plays Felicia Hardy (I think) contributes to Spider-Man 3 by helping to drive someone crazy in Spider-Man 2.
Spider Man 3 will show a certain anime influence when... by Zefram Mann	Jul 22nd, 2003 01:44:16 AM
...a dead deer is tentacle-raped. And Doc Ock should be played by Hulk Hogan. "Whatcha gonna do, Spider Man, when the largest arms in the world run wild on you?!?!"
Batman: and Pepsi dead end. by pencil-man	Jul 22nd, 2003 02:03:47 AM
I think I'm going insane. I can't tell if I like Doc Ock because I know he's a Spidey nemesis, or because he just looks innately cool. And about that Batman movie: http://www.sajuta.org/batman_d eadend_fanfilm.mov What the fuck is he doing fighting Predator? Do they have ANYTHING to do with each other? NO! What I WANT to see is the S2 footage, tentacles a flailin'! That way I can tell the world if it is good or bad. If anyone smuggled a video camera into the convention, PLEASE, please, pleeeeease let us all see!
the trenchcoat is quite clearly Brown not Black. by JollyBlondeGiant	Jul 22nd, 2003 07:50:50 AM
I love the look of Doc Ock, cant wait to see those tentacles wrapped around spidey.
The hi-res poster makes great wallpaper! by JollyBlondeGiant	Jul 22nd, 2003 07:56:39 AM
I've had lots of co-workers asking what it was, they all think it looks really cool. Download it now!!! http://superherohype.com/cgi-b in/imageFolio.cgi?action=view& link=Spider-Man/Spider-Man_2/P osters&image=docockteaser.jpg& img=&tt=
Looks dark green to me. by Vegas	Jul 22nd, 2003 09:57:54 AM
Surprised no one else thinks so. Doc Ock in a green trenchcoat. Don't see why that would piss anyone off, which is probably why those looking for a reason to bitch (when there is no reason to be had) say that it's black. Also, on Dark Horizons (I think) they confirmed that it's a green coat. As far as I'm concerned, this guy looks perfect. I wouldn't change a damn thing.
More news on the tentacles here. God! its gonna be a slow 12 mon by JollyBlondeGiant	Jul 22nd, 2003 10:15:35 AM
Coming Attractions at Cinescape has some interesting details about Doc Ock's tentacles in Spider-Man 2. Here's a clip... Unlike the character's comic book counterpart, Doctor Octopus' tentacles each have a different function and are able to do different things. You can see a hint of this if you look very closely at the ends of each of the tentacles; the ends appear similar but have minor differences from each other. "The four claws are not identical...for very cool reasons," writes our source. And listening to what Marvel Studios' Avi Arad had to say at the SPIDER-MAN 2 panel on Saturday, they might also each have their own distinct personality! Now we're really excited to see these babies in full action against Spidey! "Each of the tentacles has the underside painted yellow like a snake belly," our source goes on to say. "The yellow is a bright 'police line' kind of yellow. It really makes the tentacles look like serious machinery." Again, if you look closely at the teaser image Sony provided us you'll be able to indeed see a yellow stripe running down one side of each tentacle.
actually Vegas you might be correct. by JollyBlondeGiant	Jul 22nd, 2003 10:24:23 AM
The yellow hue of the pic makes it look brown, but green would be a nice nod to his original costume. Also, how cool is the idea of the tentacles having a mind of their own, sweet. I better go back to work. Smell ya later.
Most of you are clueless by Squashomatic	Jul 22nd, 2003 02:47:22 PM
The coat is dark green. go to cinescape.com for the details.
The coat is dark green, eh? by Ribbons	Jul 22nd, 2003 02:52:08 PM
Well, that renders this Matrix-fueled debate obsolete; I apologize for helping to perpetuate it.
Still, wotta jackass by Ribbons	Jul 22nd, 2003 03:01:17 PM
Yeah, because it's soooo obviously green from the pictures pasted onto this article. I'm sorry most of us don't go to Cinescape.com. What complete and utter wastes of fucking oxygen we are. All the same, I'd rather be clueless enough as to not gauge my self-worth according to how many movie preview websites I've visited in a day than a demeaning, self-centered piece of shit like Squashomatic.
Off topic, but please help! by Salem Hanna	Jul 22nd, 2003 04:27:11 PM
I'm desperately trying to find a song by a Texan band that came out in the UK in late summer/early autumn 1998. Can't remember the band's name or the name of the single, but the lyrics went: "They made up their mind...and they started packing...left before the sun came up that day...an exit to eternal summer slacking...where were they going without ever knowing the way?" And the chorus went: "Anyone could see the road they were travelling was paved in gold...it's always summer they'll never get cold...they'll never get hungry, they'll never get old and grey..." Can anyone help me out with what the band/song name are? Again, sorry for being off-topic.
Salem Hanna by Ribbons	Jul 22nd, 2003 05:34:26 PM
Sure thing. The band you're referring to goes by the name of Fastball. The CD with the song you quoted is called "All the Pain Money Can Buy," which is a decent CD if you're into alt-rock. Hope you find this information useful.
To be more specific by Ribbons	Jul 22nd, 2003 05:35:37 PM
If you just want to download the song or buy the single or some such, the name of the song is called "The Way."
Stilt-man by Shaw	Jul 22nd, 2003 09:51:12 PM
I wasn't whining. I think it looks great and I will certainly be seeing this more than once. Apprantly my comment that "his glasses don't look square enough like in the comic" was a form of satire too subtle for you to comprehend.
Well, Raimi just confirmed the coat is a green trenchcoat not th by screenplaywriter	Jul 22nd, 2003 11:29:38 PM
But hopefully, just maybe we'll get to see the green + orange armored suit from the cartoon and comics, if not, eh...I'm cool with it.
why so goddamn many green Spider-Man villains? by phasmatrope	Jul 23rd, 2003 04:04:37 AM
What do I mean, you wonder? Well let's look at the suspects. The Lizard: green. Doc Ock: green clothing. Sandman had a green shirt. Electro was yellow and... green. Mysterio was purple and, you guessed it, green. Doctor Doom was an occasional villain, and he too had the love of green. The Green Goblin (could've been any other color goblin, but noooo. Guess it was phonetically fitting). And let's not forget The Vulture and The Scorpion. I mean, have you ever seen a green vulture or scorpion? I don't fuckin' think so. So what gives? Am I the only one who's noticed this?
doc ock footage! by zerohype	Jul 23rd, 2003 07:26:46 AM
go to http://superherohype.com/cgi-b in/imageFolio.cgi?action=view& link=Spider-Man/Spider-Man_2/M ovie_Stills&image=docockvideo3 .jpg&img=&tt= there's some cool shit on doc ock, including stills of his lab breakout! its a little unclear as to what's going on, but there's definetly something going on!
Where the hell is his Beatles-haircut?!? by Sith Witch	Jul 23rd, 2003 08:13:09 PM

Ok, new rule for talkbacks: read what's already been written bef by sambrook	Jul 24th, 2003 09:49:36 PM
For Christ's sake, this talkback could have had the same debates in four posts! So some people think it's too close to the Matrix look? So agree with whoever said it before or say something new BUT DO NOT just post it as if you are the first person to think of it when 200 others have posted the exact same post! it's the same with all the other arguments on this board. How many fanboys complain about the lack of originality in films? Well taste your own medicine, folks. I'm all for debate, but this is just statements repeated over and over again with no reference to any other posts on the board. This may seem a big rant over something so small, but come on! It's simple stuff!
All this complaining reminds me of a certain movie called.... by catoblepas	Jul 27th, 2003 12:08:47 AM
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.... Is that all I need to say or "poopshoot.com"
...stop the comparisons... by SuicideBob666	Feb 29th, 2004 02:52:09 PM
why do all you little fuck heads keep comparing Spider-man and The Matrix triliogy it's really fucking annoying...and be happy with the damn trench coat on Doc. Ock. As someone said before it would look stupid as hell if they gave him his comic costume. Plus I never heard anyone complain about GG's costume...
Check Out These Pics of Doc Ock by MoreMan	Jun 21st, 2004 11:01:19 PM
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss /0316654/BR3_5.4CRP.jpg?path=p gallery&path_key=Molina,%20Alf red You'll have to scroll through, but there are some really cool shots of Doc Ock.

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