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matrix dividing fans by jackburtonlives	Jun 12th, 2003 12:03:45 AM
i haven't seen such division among fans since GONY. listening to TBers, Matrix2 is either an incredible dud or pure sci-fi CGI poetry. i still haven't seen it and don't know if i should. i don't trust media hyping of flicks and so i usually rely on AICN to inform me and it's thanks to AICN that i saw some great flicks like AMELIE, SHAOLIN SOCCER and the RING. but with Matrix the jury is really out...
First by BabatuFerguson	Jun 12th, 2003 12:04:36 AM
Fuck me. Fuck me up my stupid ass.
I love Ron Francis by Brimacombe	Jun 12th, 2003 01:03:25 AM
He is a sexy hockey man!
MATRIX:RELOADED RULES by Filmflipper20	Jun 12th, 2003 03:33:10 AM
Over and out
Labor Discrimination by DeadRapedDeer	Jun 12th, 2003 04:04:06 AM
There is no work for dead raped deer in any of this. That fat bastard Harry has cursed the entire community of dear raped deer with one mention.
Face it, RELOADED is the biggest let-down since RED DRAGON. by Cash Bailey	Jun 12th, 2003 04:09:19 AM
REVOLUTIONS better all-but cure the blind to prevent this series going down as the biggest fuck-up in the history of movies.
Reloaded really is divisive... by AliceInWonderlnd	Jun 12th, 2003 04:32:48 AM
Because I love the fuck out of it, and it's hands-down the best genre movie I've seen since TTT. Ah well, horses for courses.
Orpheus by Sheeld	Jun 12th, 2003 06:08:49 AM
Since Reloaded was released in Europe exactly the same day as almost everywhere else in the world (bar a few unlucky countries), and since the movie isn't any different than the one that was reviewed so often already on the site, I really don't see the need to post another review of it in this particular column, especially since the idiot reviewer has nothing remotely interesting to say, except his constant referring to Fishburne's character as ORPHEUS. Yeah, that sure makes for a valid and believable contribution. Stupid.
Reloaded expectations by Cyco_Clown	Jun 12th, 2003 07:55:56 AM
I enjoyed the first movie but it wasn't sci-fi heaven on earth like many fanboys like to say so, since my expectations were lower, the second one felt pretty much the same. But the worst problem to me was that those fucking trailers revealed too much of the effects. Wachowskis take note: DON'T SHOW ALL THE GOOD STUFF IN TRAILERS DAMMIT!!! The only real surprise was the truck crash.
Red Dragon a letdown??? by ferret121	Jun 12th, 2003 09:37:30 AM

Red Dragon a letdown??? by ferret121	Jun 12th, 2003 09:38:20 AM
Did you see Manhunter? The letdown began with Silence of the Lambs, Red Dragon was just a continuation.
you want to talk letdown, a mighty wind fills that void. by MiltonWaddams	Jun 12th, 2003 09:51:47 AM
the matrix wasn't great, and it wasn't absolute shit either. it was flawed, and not nearly as good as the first, but it was still cool. the greatest fuckup in the history of movies? quit overstating, nerd ass fanboy.
So we won't be getting a live action version of the cartoon Lupi by 007-11	Jun 12th, 2003 11:37:24 AM
Typical, just typical. Oh well, perhaps this will be good too.
Continuing with Aragorn's by Skyway Moaters	Jun 12th, 2003 12:41:46 PM
... but first a little research into what sword Merry will be wielding when he "pierces Angmar's sinews"- There is a picture at TORN and on "Quintessential" of Merry and Pippin at flooded Isengard brandishing the same two swords that Aragorn gave them at Weathertop in FOTR (the movie). SO this begs several questions: What happened to the Elven daggers Galadriel gave them? Burned with the Uruk carcasses? Did Aragorn take back the blades he gave them? And will he give them back during the Flotsam & Jetsam sequence in ROTK? Or did he recover the Galadhrim daggers "off screen" and THAT'S what Merry stabs the Nazgul with? Or, is PJ & Co. going to ignore this back-story altogether? In the picture of Pippin in Tower Guard livery he is carrying a DIFFERENT sword than either the Elf dagger or the Weathertop sword, but I can't find any picture that lets you see what blade Merry has with his Rohirric gear. *** Back to the Musical: So Aragorn emerges from his tent sporting his nifty new Middle Earthian Mullet, with his maimed left ear cleverly concealed by Elrond's hairdressing talents and a little Imladris Dippety Do, singing to Eomer who is standing nearby: "My doo is red hot! Your doo ain't doodley squat!" Which he will later reprise when Arwen shows up to get hitched, this time singing to Faramir regarding Eowyn: My gal is red hot! Your gal ain't doodley squat!" etc...
Silence of the Lambs a letdown? by TheDarkShape	Jun 12th, 2003 06:37:28 PM
It was only infinitely better than Mann's Miami Vice: Thomas Harris Edition.
I've said it before, though usually not as civilly, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 14th, 2003 10:35:31 AM
These 'Euro' AICN reviewers are a bunch of tossers. I have yet to see them praise a film. I understand the concept of criticism, however I'm not sure these guys do. These guys seem to possess a pathological hatred of film. A critic in my view is perfectly entitled to point out the flaws etc of films. What I dislike is the (apparent) total and unrelenting hatred towards all films. Why does Harry let him post here, so he can be the 'devil's advocate'? Matrix Reloaded DID dissappoint me. The first one afterall raised such high expectations. However, the movie was not complete rubbish as these Euro reviewers would have you believe. Anyhoo I saw on TORN that there was speculation that these mysterious tents are in Dunharrow. Has someone from TORN been reading the TE's have they? I distinctly recall postulating this very theory some days prior to TORN publishing it. I feel like Jack Nicholson in Batman after his 'balloons' were taken away... Cheers.
Hyperborean Bouncer proclaims civility near Standelf! by morGoth	Jun 16th, 2003 01:55:36 PM
Oh yeah, civility at the end of a knuckle sandwich! Heh! Look mate, you may have guessed at the Rohirrim tents at Dunharrow thingy but it was confirmed sometime back that there was a Dunharrow filming location. Two plus two equals four, dunnit? Aw, I
Ingold's words sung in praise near Barrowdowns! by morGoth	Jun 16th, 2003 07:54:18 PM
RotIoMB (Recognizers of the Importance of Merry
Hey MorGy, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 17th, 2003 12:23:55 AM
Damn straight about Merry 'opening a can on the witchking's arse'... I too shall be forced to withdraw my support... If Merry doesn't cut some Ulairi knee sinew with his Westernesse Blade. I just saw something interesting on TORN. Spoilers It's in the story about WETA upgrading their servers etc. The guy being interviewed mentions that they needed the extra capacity as ROTK will have 1200+ SFX shots, compared to 800 for TTT and 400 for FOTR. He also mentions that in ROTK there will be 2 'big' battles, plus an 'army of the dead'!!! Sounds like good news for the POTD, no? Cheers.
MorGy, I KNEW that there was filming at Dunharrow, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 17th, 2003 09:34:52 AM
before I had my 'insight' and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5. I just came up with a 'crackpot' theory. Perhaps I was inspired no? Cheers...
I'm gone for a week, and THIS is all I get to read? by Pallando Blue	Jun 17th, 2003 10:29:23 AM
Man alive! Wotta gyp! No offense, fellas, but c'mon. I figured the boards'd be all a-twitter on the USA Today stuff. Yet compared to the scale of monster TE discussions of the past, hardly a hiccup. ("How many did YOU read, Pip?" >erp
Hold on to yer seats--IT'S ROTK HUMP DAY!!!!!!!!! by Pallando Blue	Jun 17th, 2003 01:27:40 PM
Nine !'s, baby! Holy crow, it almost got by without notice! We are now officially SIX MONTHS AWAY from the ROTK wide release! That means after today (actually, maybe already? someone wanna do the math on that?) we are CLOSER to ROTK than we are to the release of Two Towers LAST winter! We're OVER THE HUMP! It's all downhill from here! Yeeeee-HAAAAW! Miami, I know you're busy, but surely there'll be some special acknowledgment of this milestone in tomorrow's countdown...? Meanwhile, >clink< the flagons and cheer! Huzzah!
~Sniff~ tear in eye... by Xyzan	Jun 17th, 2003 07:00:01 PM
"D'you mean ta say i made it over the hump? Well gosh, i'd like to thank you all for making this possible." It's still too long away though. But yes, they have to get Merry's blade right, (only those blades will do the right level of damage, or that's the impression i got from the book!) So you can count my vote on any pettition made for merry's blade. (Now, what other wrongs shall i right in the world? Tailend; i command you to UNHOSE! - Did it work?)
Ingold tulpas whiffed near Rushock Bog! by morGoth	Jun 17th, 2003 09:46:40 PM
Eep! What titles? Won
Heeheeheeheehee... by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 18th, 2003 02:39:13 AM
We wondered, eh we wondered whether you would pick up on my snide little remark... Cheers.
Alas 'tis true The morGoth hath made an insightful... by Skyway Moaters	Jun 18th, 2003 08:43:33 AM
... observation when he sayeth: That no "Ranger of the North, much less THE Dunedan, Numenorean King that he is, Aragorn, Elesser, The Elf Stone, Etcetera, would never 'behavith' in such a 'vile' manner. T'would exceed the bounds of his ethical concepts and mighty heritage... The tent scene stinketh...
It's Wednesday, and we're halfway home by Miami Mofo	Jun 18th, 2003 09:40:40 AM
Twenty-six weeks (efe) until LotR:RotK!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for disappointing you O Pointy hatted blue clouted Istar, by Skyway Moaters	Jun 18th, 2003 02:58:43 PM
... Ever listen to or see Harry Nillson's "The Point" about this round-headed kid named Oblio? No? Er, well anyway, I guess that others just didn't think there was that much to talk about concerning the USA Today blurbs. Either that or folks was just busy. Elanor is missing in action. I think morG mentioned that she's out of town as is The Mofo. I thought I had been participating pretty steadily in this TB and then I checked my post to discover that I hadn't posted anything since last Friday. Oh well we need a new TB or at least some 'new' news, I'm off to unearth the latest ROTK tidbits if there's any to be found... Namarie, Trubba Not, Pollando Blue's on Johnny's spot... SM{;-0
Yeah Moaters, but what about SWOOPAGE?!! by morGoth	Jun 18th, 2003 03:49:06 PM
Man, this TB is uber-hosed on the posting order! Is there THAT much banning going on?!!
Swoopage, yeah, SWOOPAGE! THAT'S the ticket! by Skyway Moaters	Jun 18th, 2003 05:55:55 PM
... nothing like a computer programmed motion control SWOOPAGE shot down the face of a 80' long Bigature to get this geek salivating like Pavlov's Dog! HOW many effects shots didja say are supposed to be in in ROTK? *** Guess that's the difference between wimmings an mens JRRT geeks: Swoonage VS Swoopage! Let the games begin!
Swoonage vs swoopage by elanor	Jun 18th, 2003 07:50:08 PM
Remember that Irish Spring soap commercial? Good, now listen: Swoopage. It's made for a man... but I like it too! YES! I will perhaps always be more fond of swoonage but I have learned to love (and now expect) major swoopage. All time favorite is no contest. Fellowship: the post moth swoop down the thorny side of Orthanc into the forgers fire, especially as accompanied by that Shores pounding, upsetting 5/4 time Saruman theme. But the last swoop up through the trees then up up up up to reveal the dark and deadly Mordor-scape where they much go next. BTW while I'm on the trees. I especially liked this location as borderline Mordor for the lifeless-seeming forest. I think those are eucalyptus trees or something similar (BG? Conan?). Such trees are wont to take over an area and sort of over-populate it, driving other plant life out. The area has a tormented feeling which is so much better than having them walk through an otherwise-healthy looking forest.*Miami! Thanks for letting us know we are post hump. I feel better already.Yes MorG, I was in Chicago seeing my nephew graduate from the brainiest geek school on earth, University of Chicago. Pretty campus. Lots of history. But I'm right with you on wanting Merry to have the RIGHT sword on the Pellenor and, Arwen-like, I still have hope Moaters: I searched for and am now listening to my copy of "The Point" since you brought it up. Have loved it since my own college days. In fact, I named my horse "Arrow". I can still recite every word. How I mourn the loss of Harry Nilsson!Hey, y'all. I have been reading "The End of the Third Age" and discovered a few interesting items. First, that Tolkien did not conceive of SOTS from the very beginning, so that is the very first "justification" I have yet seen for it being left out. (I know, weak argument - the book is what he PUBLISHED, not scraps of writing from 40 years of rumination). I should call it a rationalization, not a justification!*Second, I had no idea Arwen's "original" name was Finduilas. And third, that "well, I'm back" was only the BEGINNING of an "epilogue" that I find quite charming (well, I'm in it!) and totally suprising. However, despite all of these "discoveries" and those I found in Letters, and other chapters of HOME, I have yet to find a single story or scrap that I prefer to what was published. But I do find it fun and interesting to learn what else was on his mind.PB, I am still too skeptical of that USA Today reporter's descriptions to want to discuss the content too much. The "soup" scene sounds particularly awful. I guess I don't want it to be true.
That by morGoth	Jun 18th, 2003 08:34:06 PM
...swoopage is the NEW thing and swooning is, well, it's she-poster stuff! Now, here are two swoops, one I want to see and one from Fellowship...The First One: a great swoop, mounted Nazgul eye's view, right through the gate of the Rammass and up, up over it all right up the city of Minas Tirith and past the Tower of Ecthelion (Up-swoop!). If it looks half as good as the first swoop shot from atop Orthanc, the recently imprisoned Gandalf's eye view, down into the pits of Isengard (Down-swoop!). Uuh-uuh-uuh. O great glory, give me swoopage anytime! Swoon, bah! ** OMG! Oh, um, hullo there elanor-lass {[:^) Glad you had a nice trip. Of course I was only joking about the s vs s and no personal slight, perceived or otherwise, was intended (shakes BM morGy rattle) towards any or all she-posters (or he) currently posting or lurking. Now, now, no need comparing apples with deodorant soap, if you take my meaning. So you FINALLY read about Elanor and Sammies other young ones waiting for the King and his Arwen to come to Lake Evendim. Popsy Sam reading to them from the Red Book. Aww
FYI by JD1866	Jun 18th, 2003 11:24:29 PM
Hello tailenders. Thought you might be interested to know that Leonides has reinstated his "Ask Leo" thread at the Tolkien Movies message board. The addy is: http://pub108.ezboard.com /fthelotrmoviesitegeneral discussion.showMessage? topicID=3447.topic * please note the spaces added after .com, general, and Message? * Heavy Spoiler Warning!!
Unhose foul dwimmerlaik, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 19th, 2003 05:21:25 AM
the power of Christ compels thee!!! Cheers.
Damn, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 19th, 2003 05:22:35 AM
Didn't work. Cheers.
I can't agree with the folks that are lamenting... by Skyway Moaters	Jun 19th, 2003 07:45:21 AM
... Arwen's expanded role in the films; saying that she's not even IN ROTK (the books-5&6) in any substantial form. The point they are missing, AGAIN, now repeat after me: "IT'S A MOVIE!". Once you read the appendices, "The Story of Arwen &Aragorn", it forever changes the subtext of the book for you upon subsequent readings. All PJ has done is try to give his audience a sense of the tale with all it's sublots themes and texts fully fleshed out...
Me and my Arrow by Miami Mofo	Jun 19th, 2003 11:14:01 AM
Loved the movie, 'The Point' and the song -- hated the Plymouth commercial. I seem to recall that Dustin Hoffman voiced the Dad -- am I correct in this? *I didn't go away -- everyone came here, so I'm busy entertaining. My aunt's 100th was fun -- she just loved the skateboard I gave her. :~) In twelve weeks and six days, thanks to help of JD1866, a surprise guest vocalist shall grace the weekly Wednesday countdown, LIVE, from the stage at Club Angband. **morGy, regarding Swoopage, I still can't understand why that entire scene when the moth flies up Arwen's dress was deleted from LotR:FotR.
Ah yes, a manly scent indeed Elanor... by Skyway Moaters	Jun 19th, 2003 03:06:15 PM
... although what you infer is basically unfair: Wimmings enjoy both swooping and swooning, but the men folks only appreciate the swoops(?). Don't forget about the delectable ladies in the cast! Why yer own ma, Rosie, is quite swoonable in her own right; (now if she was just a little taller, and her legs just a tad less hairy!)(Heh!). *** But to be perfectly honest, I have to cop to being to being more susceptible to swooning over swoopage than over the LOTR ladies - geek that I am. Hey, what can I say? I've been married for 20 years and Mrs. Moaters ain't in da movie!...
You are keerect Mofo... by Skyway Moaters	Jun 19th, 2003 03:14:40 PM
...Dustin Hoffman voiced the Dad in the TV special "The Point", and I seem to remember Ringo Starr doing the voice of the count or the king or SOMEONE. If I'm not mistaken, (back me up here Elanor dear) Nilsson did the narration and all the voices himself on the LP, (that's "Long Playing Record" for all you post Compact Disc types)...
NEW ROTK IMAGES AT 'QUINTESSENTIAL'! by Skyway Moaters	Jun 19th, 2003 03:29:47 PM
... http://www.quintessential websites.com/lordoftherings/ movieshots_rotk/ adisplay_e3rotkimages.htm * Take out the spaces between quintessential & website, before movieshots, and adispaly. * Minas Tirith street scenes! Geez how many times can you type quintessential in on post?
And it's Springsteen over Jackson by a nose. by Miami Mofo	Jun 20th, 2003 08:21:22 AM
How odd is it that my favorite musician and the director of the movie being made from my favorite book, and when completed with Rotk, that will probably be my favorite move, are ranked 26th and 27th in Forbes' list of the most powerful people in the entertainment industry. Personally, I think they're both ranked too low. I seem to recall that two years ago, people were predicting the demise of New Line because of these movies. Where are THEY now?
Miami... by morGoth	Jun 20th, 2003 12:48:11 PM
...yeah, they're the same geniuses who predicted "LoTR will tank!" ** Dammit you guys, let's here some favorite swoopage post...that means YOU Miami, Moaters and Conan! C'mon, iffen ye don't do your parts, the she-poster's will start more SWOON stuff! Of course, nothing can compare with Liv Tyler's swoon-maximage scene with Aragorn on the bridge in Rivendell. Now, if only there'd been a swooping camera cleavage shot...
Lemme see.... Hmm, Ultimate SWOOPAGE... by Skyway Moaters	Jun 20th, 2003 01:45:48 PM
....would have to be be when Frodo puts on the Ring in Sammath Naur, and the Dark Lord is suddenly aware of him and of "the magnitude of his folly"! Holy jumping catfish!! Can't you just see it fellas?! Streaking out the entrance to The Cracks-O-Doom, hurtling along the road between Barad Dur and Orodruin, screaming past Orcs, Trolls, Leutenants, Captains and Marshalls, straight up the side of the dark tower and into Sauron's sanctuary! THEN smack dab into the center of the flaming eye! Then THROUGH the eye! Into the sky above the Morranon to the Nazgul! Who turn with ear rending shrieks to streak back into Mordor, to the mountain of fire, JUST as the Eagles of Manwe come rocketing down from the upper airs! WHEW!
"...thousands of virtual orcs and elks engage in the heat of bat by Pallando Blue	Jun 20th, 2003 02:12:47 PM
[Verbatim quote from the techie article linked to at TORN] ...Now THAT's what I want to see! A swooping shot over Orcs and Elks, in the heat of battle! Hooves against shields, swords on antlers.... Ah, the spectacle of it all!
This is why it always pays to proof-read vice relying on spell c by Skyway Moaters	Jun 20th, 2003 02:49:42 PM
...Heck if the guy spelled Elves correctly according to JRRT spell check might very well have suggested Elks as an alternative! Combine that with an overworked proof reader, outside the Tolkien fold, and voila! I've had spell check offer to change Elven to Elfin, or Eleven, repeatedly over the years. And while the mental picture of hoofs and horns is funny Pollando old fruit, my first mental image was a bunch of old guys from the Elks' LODGE, with little fake horns growing out of their red velvet Fez's (Fezes, Fezzes, just what the heck is the plural for Fez anyway?), setting up a beer pavilion in the middle of The Morannon!..
Elks? But Boromir was a Waterbuffalo! by Miami Mofo	Jun 20th, 2003 04:01:56 PM
It finally hit me what Bakshi's Boromir was wearing on his head. It was Fred Flintstone's Waterbuffalo hat. After 26 years of wondering, I now have my answer. So now that that's settled, I can concentrate on morGoth's swoopage -- Cirith Ungol is the first that comes to mind.
ANYONE HAVE ACCURATE E-MAIL OR SNAIL-MAIL... by Skyway Moaters	Jun 20th, 2003 04:38:46 PM
...addys for Daughter of Time? Enquiring Shards wants to know! DoT! How can we mails de book to ye iffen we don't gots accurate informations?! Apparently SoN, (Shards of Narsil) has been trying to reach you without success...
UrElk-hai and Buffolog-hai spotted near Rammas Echor! by morGoth	Jun 20th, 2003 05:23:57 PM
Heh, that
On the merits of swoops, swoons and shirtage. by Xyzan	Jun 20th, 2003 06:23:56 PM
Most favourite swoopage moment so far has to be the start of TTT. All the way up to the big drop with Gandalf and the Balrog. It completely blew me away! Absolutly stunning! But i'm also most looking forward to the swoop that's almost guarenteed to end all swoops. Would PJ ass up the opportunity presented by Frodo claiming the ring? Favourite swoon moments have all been talked about a bit too much, but we can't let men start taking over the board. However, i feel compelled to mention the shirtage moment in those pictures that torn had up. Pippin in uniform! No scarf! Thud. Plus, Sam's already nabbed sting! i have to go and lie down again now.
Most of the best swoopage has already been mentioned, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 20th, 2003 07:43:07 PM
I like the reverse camera angle of the fellowship walking through Hollin though, the one where they pass the 'ruins.' I STILL find it amazing those ruins were completely CGI. That shot is absolutely seamless to my eye. Cheers.
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree Morgy, by Conan_the_Humble	Jun 21st, 2003 04:00:44 AM
I'm not argumentative (hmmm) I was just going through a phase... One I'm completely through. It's out of my system and I've moved forward. I have also run out of cliches... Cheers.
by morGoth	Jun 21st, 2003 11:12:55 AM
Geez, what an over used clich
Howe Fents hardes hevvy ben brought down! by Skyway Moaters	Jun 23rd, 2003 07:56:41 AM
... FC is no more, got in a flamin' war with a foul-mouthed little barset on another thread and WOOSH! Banned. *** How's this for SWOOPAGE?: Gandalf sitting on Shadowfax at the broken gate of Minas Tirith, facing down the Nazgul Lord, and a cock crows! SWOOSH! high speed motion control shot throught the Minas Bigature to a Rhode Island Red Roooster perched atop a Byzantine dome just a squawkin' his lttle lungs out not giving a rat's ass for nothin' 'cept the dawn! The KAWOOSH! again motion control "tunneling' shot down the side of the building to a large cat crouching under a spreading yew bush licking it's chops, THEN, away on the edge of hearing, horns blowing wildly! The Rohirrim have come at last! YAY! And BADAWOOSH! The camera pulls off the rooster, like a company of calvary, shoots up over the wall of the first circle, through the smoke, streaking over the carnage of the Pellenor at 800 MPH right into Theoden's golden shield as he leads the assault...err, ok, maybe I've gotten a little carried away with this SWOOPAGE thing... Namarie, Trubba Not, who'll replace fister? I know not, hes roadin with Aunty now...SIGH
FINALLY a poster! by Xyzan	Jun 27th, 2003 01:53:05 PM
Teaser poster at torn! but i was hoping for minas tirith, after both the aragonath and the two black towers. But they've finally given us something, - waiting for the trailer now. UNHOSE!

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