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Lots of HULK screening reports!

First... by Alan Felix	Jun 10th, 2003 05:01:08 AM
Oh boy....I did it!!!
Offer an apology, or admit you're a hypocrite Mori by joeblowe	Jun 10th, 2003 05:03:01 AM
Did you ever turn down a review from someone who was obviously breaking a NDA that they had signed? Have you ever turned down a bootleg or script that was gotten illegally? There is one different between what you do, and what we do. You're press so it's legal, but it is still STEALING.
Fuck you moriaty. by Schmiggy JK	Jun 10th, 2003 05:16:02 AM
Boy... you big shots are avoiding Mori's rant article like the fucking plague arent you? A NDA agreement... awwww... fuck you too. Either get in there, and stand up for your boy harry, or put his ass in his place... you dont need to say shit about the flick, to have a opinion on his article. You should be ashamed harry. What a disgrace. You guys stirred up the hornets nest... and dont know how to deal with it yet? Lamas any how. Pirates. Hypocrites. Theives. Box office fuckeruppers... ya... AICN at its finest....
HULK SMASH! by ZeroC	Jun 10th, 2003 05:31:55 AM
This may sound crazy, but somehow I just don't see this whole Moriarty/Hulk debacle ending well for AICN. Call me a pessimist. I personally don't plan on dling the work print, and am perfectly content with waiting to catch this on the big screen. However, I do think many of those who have criticized Mori for his comments do have a point. You geeks should really respond to the talkbacks before this gets any crazier.
OK, this site is dead to me now. by Saluki	Jun 10th, 2003 06:14:39 AM
Really.
What the hell is going on around here? by TheAllSeeingEye	Jun 10th, 2003 06:22:55 AM
No mention from Harry about Mori's little rant yesterday? Not only that but no more link to it?? i think its a bit late to pull the plug on that one harry...everyone and their mother read that yesterday! Actually, i'd like to read your take on it all Harry, Mori has certainly pissed alot of your readers off and lets not forget, without your readers you and Mori are nothing. Give us a response and then an apoloogy.
What the hell is going on around here? by TheAllSeeingEye	Jun 10th, 2003 06:24:44 AM
No mention from Harry about Mori's little rant yesterday? Not only that but no more link to it?? i think its a bit late to pull the plug on that one harry...everyone and their mother read that yesterday! And no one is going to forget it. Actually, i'd like to read your take on it all Harry, Mori has certainly pissed alot of your readers off and lets not forget, without your readers you and Mori are nothing. Give us a response and then an apoloogy.
BOYCOT ALL MORI's UPCOMING Projects by peterparker	Jun 10th, 2003 06:31:23 AM
MORI mentioned a movie project that he was working on. He was very adamant to let us all know that he hoped that it would release next summer. I say that we teach this punk a lesson and show him that hiding like a mouse instead of taking his licks like a man should be well observed by finding out exactly what he is working on and spreading the word to BOYCOT any and all projects he works on! Just to show MORI we are all not spoiled brats who are privileged enough to sit in on screeners of movies weeks before they hit and spout out a review
What? So now reviewing a downloaded movie is OK? by Rogue_Leader	Jun 10th, 2003 06:34:50 AM
Sheeesh! This site is more schitzophrenic than John Nash! WTF?? Didn't they just put up an article complaining about this sort of thing? Whatever ......
piracy by AICN by enohpisit	Jun 10th, 2003 07:10:02 AM
it seems harry has seen a not-so-final-draft of the matrix 2. a draft were zion gets destroyed by werewolves. where did he get that from?
Hulk "Flying" actually suspended with cables, stunningly choregr by JAGUART	Jun 10th, 2003 07:12:00 AM
Be sure to catch the lush green treetop battle. Hulk speech not dubbed over but instead subtitled into Engrish.
yes, it is illegal. yes,it is stealing but..... by Red Raider	Jun 10th, 2003 07:12:39 AM
I laugh at the thought of those film studio execs who squirm in their corporate seats at the thought of their shit being distributed on the internet! The music industry's been shitting their collective pants for some time now! That's what you fuckers get for overcharging for movie tickets and music cd's. As Hooper said in Chasing Amy: "the chickens is comin' home to roost, ya'll..."
Hulk Smash by fevriul	Jun 10th, 2003 07:22:38 AM
Yes I downloaded the movie and all I can say is BRILLIANT. There are some people whbining on about too much talking, yes we would have all liked to have seen the huld in every goddamn frme, but guess what they could not afford it. Some of the reviewers seem to have the attention span of 3 year old, must be shite in bed, wham bamn anyone? It is beutifully shot film, ll well acted, Bna especiallyh gives a good performance, but the stand out was the hulk, Jesus fucking wept. When he cuts loose you know that he is THE MAN, Except no subsitute, every fucker that messes with him gets bitch slapped period. Mkes the fucking X-Men look like the pussies the are. I for one cn't wait for the sequel.
Harry, ya got my sympathy on this one.... by genro	Jun 10th, 2003 07:23:02 AM
I don't think Harry had much to do with Drewie's whine yesterday. since these two have been at odds over a lot of major issues lately.....Haryy can be goofy, but I think he realized the hypocriscy of Mori's message and is trying to steer clear. I don't blame him. Let Mori take the heat on this one. He's the guy who used AICN to officially enter the Industry, not e wants us all to tow his line.....I'm not about to just sit here and be verbally abused from some asshole I helped build a name for by visiting this site.
Wht did Mori say? by fevriul	Jun 10th, 2003 07:25:44 AM
Sorry but I missed this, did anyone make a copy< what did Mori say, thats pissed off everyone?
Could anyone have predicted how powerful this issue would become by Psyclops	Jun 10th, 2003 07:26:20 AM
I know I didn't. For what it's worth, I think both sides had some good points. The fact remains that there are still laws against piracy, whether you choose to break them or not is your business. I'm going to hold out until the theatrical release of HULK for obvious reasons (nothing beats a good theater folks, especially for this kind of film), I just find it kind of sad that certain people would choose to watch a movie on a thumbnail size MPEG than on the big screen.
re: : Psyclops by fevriul	Jun 10th, 2003 07:33:32 AM
No its good VCD quality, nd I will buy the DVD. I just don't like going to the cinema. I have this think aginst having the money extrct out of me hand over fist for a small coke, nd for some reason they belive that playing the sound at just below pain theshold enhances the experience. Plus who tyhe hell wants to sit with the plebs!
Here's the link to what Mori said, and summary. by joeblowe	Jun 10th, 2003 07:35:34 AM
http://www.aintitcool.com/disp lay.cgi?id=15389 _____________ Basically he becomes a hypocrite by saying that downloading movies is stealing and very wrong, and that we're all bad people for doing it. When this site reviews stolen scripts, stolen bootlegs, posts reviews of unfinished prints, and accepts illegal reviews by people breaking their NDA, on a regular basis. He thinks that piracy is ruining the movie industry, when the industry is having the most profitable years it's ever had. He lumps everyone into the same group, shames them, even though just about ALL priaters will end up seeing movies they watched on bootleg, and enjoyed, in the theatres. The only real problem are the people who steal these things in the first place, and sell them for profit. But he makes no mention of that, and just bitches out everyone.
Genro...i suppose you are right.... by TheAllSeeingEye	Jun 10th, 2003 07:41:46 AM
...but if Harry does come out and make a comment on this it'd go a long way to restoring some faith and credit to AICN as i doubt greatly we'll be hearing from Mori any time soon.
So illegally copying an unfinished film, uploading it to the int by Fawst	Jun 10th, 2003 07:43:58 AM
Fuckin thieves.
The concensus seems to say that it will be waaay better than tha by Atticus Finch	Jun 10th, 2003 07:51:39 AM
But that isn't saying very much.
I'd rather go see the Hulk in the theatre for the full experienc by Otter	Jun 10th, 2003 07:57:15 AM
...with the expensive snack bar, the cell phone conversations throughout, people wandering up and down the aisles, kids screaming, and the guy behind me kicking my seat and talking at the screen through the entire movie. Yeah, I'll take THAT.
I'll give you civilized. by nervous twitch	Jun 10th, 2003 07:59:22 AM
I'm looking forward to this film despite my dissapointment with Spider-man and the two X-Men T.V. pilots.
Two words: Ang Lee by FrankCobretti	Jun 10th, 2003 08:04:02 AM
I'm so there.
Hulk Review by fevriul	Jun 10th, 2003 08:06:04 AM
For those simple minded amonst us. Its better than both spideyh and Xemn movies, up there with the first batman or superman. Anyone he says it is crap is a little dicked arsehole, who would not know a good film if it kicked them in the arse.
Harry..... you tell us you can't tell us about the film...... th by TheGinger Twit	Jun 10th, 2003 08:06:19 AM

Fightfightfightfightfightfightfi ghtfightfightfightfight by nervous twitch	Jun 10th, 2003 08:11:21 AM
Just read the rest of the talkbacks. I can't believe i missed the fun. Look. The guy is entitled to his opinion regardless of how he once stood on the subject. People change their minds all the time. If you don't agree with him then stop reading his stuff and just ignore him. Besides. I can't find my underwear.
GOOD GOD, WILL YOU WHINING BABIES ALREADY SHUT THE FUCK UP AND L by RampagingTroll	Jun 10th, 2003 08:12:08 AM
Allright, we get your point, if you're going to boycott AICN, THEN DO IT ALREADY! FUCK!! Follow through on something for once in your pathetic lives!!! And, as Randall says, fucking shit or get off the goddamn pot!
Oh, come on. You know as well as I do that if Harry comes out a by GimliMcGimpy	Jun 10th, 2003 08:22:34 AM
Why the hell should he bother? No matter what he says, it wouldn't satisfy you bloodthirsty hatemongerers. I say he should stay silent. Why should he say anything about Moriarty's opinion anyway? He had nothing to do with it being put up in the first place. Everyone knows Drew posts his own articles. It's his pile of shit he's made for himself, he's the only one that can find a way out of it.
sigh by Fawst	Jun 10th, 2003 08:22:58 AM
Oh, now I get it. Theft of a film is justified beacuse people talk about screenings they legally attended. Yah, that's pretty sound logic. Ok, they breached an NDA by talking about it. Did they toss the movie out for everyone to grab without paying for it? NO. So everyone was so offended by Mori's oppinion that they all deserve an apology now, huh? That's fucking brilliant right there. Words caused so much damage to their psyche that they need an "I'm sorry." I don't see their apology to Ang Lee and co for stealing the movie anywhere. Did I just miss it? Cuz I certainly saw no link to it. Oh wait, could it be that no one thinks they should have to give one for what they did? Go figure. Everyone thinks they're owed something in life. Fuckin weak minded victimist mentality. You stole, you were caught on it, you were called down because of it, now suddenly YOU'RE the one who deserves the apology. Go freeload a little more.
sigh by Fawst	Jun 10th, 2003 08:23:01 AM
Oh, now I get it. Theft of a film is justified beacuse people talk about screenings they legally attended. Yah, that's pretty sound logic. Ok, they breached an NDA by talking about it. Did they toss the movie out for everyone to grab without paying for it? NO. So everyone was so offended by Mori's oppinion that they all deserve an apology now, huh? That's fucking brilliant right there. Words caused so much damage to their psyche that they need an "I'm sorry." I don't see their apology to Ang Lee and co for stealing the movie anywhere. Did I just miss it? Cuz I certainly saw no link to it. Oh wait, could it be that no one thinks they should have to give one for what they did? Go figure. Everyone thinks they're owed something in life. Fuckin weak minded victimist mentality. You stole, you were caught on it, you were called down because of it, now suddenly YOU'RE the one who deserves the apology. Go freeload a little more.
fuckin double post (NT) by Fawst	Jun 10th, 2003 08:25:17 AM

PLEASE TELL ME THE DIFFRENCE in reading a revirew with spoilers by Rcamacho2278	Jun 10th, 2003 08:30:06 AM
you assholes cant give reviews without spoilers you talentless fucks. Ebert NEVER gives spoilers, why dont you watch his show and get a fucken CLUE.
"Overall this film was a surprisingly turgid affair that finally by Stan Gable	Jun 10th, 2003 08:32:55 AM
It was turgid? I suppose that is better than flaccid, but still not a word I would use to describe any movie that didn't have Jenna Jameson in it. And Moriarty's rant is still available, they just buried it at the bottom of the home page in the hopes people would be too stupid to find it and keep posting on it.
Confessions of a movie downloader... by VanMan	Jun 10th, 2003 08:35:02 AM
Wow, what a firestorm, eh? Mori, you have consistently been my favorite on this site (I thought of you as I drove by the Ranch on the way to the wine country last week), but your comments yesterday were just too vitriolic. Yes, they smacked of hypocracy. Yes, as a screenwriter, you HAD to say them (though not to the extent) or else face a backlash from your masters in the suits. Now people are calling for Harry to offer up a counter opinion (something he can't do). If Harry were to come out and say "movie piracy is frickin cool!" then every studio head would declare war on him (not that it would be a bad thing, because it used to be that way in the "good old days") and Jack Valenti would probably appear in Austin to bitchsmack Harry's ass around (which wouldn't be that hard to do). Anyway, I have to confess downloading a film on occasion, and if I like them, I will see them in the theater (let's put it this way, George didn't get any admission revenue from me for AOTC, although I bought the DVD to use as a coaster for my morning coffee). I have the copy of The Matrix Reloaded that "everyone" has, and I have seen it in the theaters three times. I had the chance to download Finding Nemo, but I passed to see it in the theater. Mori, I think the "serial downloaders" don't cause as much of a problem as you think, and if you take the Microsoft attitude (well, the old Microsoft attitude), a little bit of piracy can start good buzz for the product (much like this website, hmmmmm). On the other hand, if a movie is shit, it's shit, and the buzz will expose that. One final word on the Hulk: every single geek I speak to has absolutely no interest in this film. I love Ang Lee, so I will be there, but I have no expectations for this film. If it ends up not sucking, I'll be happy. If it sucks, it's just like 85% of the other films available. Mori, keep plugging away. I'm pissed at you, but you aren't dead to me...
The stink of hypocrisy is not coming from AICN's direction. by Lobanhaki	Jun 10th, 2003 08:37:36 AM
First of all, these are like screener reviews. This is not the same thing. Second of all, Harry and Moriarty make allowances for the state of workprints that they are shown. I also cannot remember them doing any review on a downloaded bootleg. Third, you would not pull that bullshit "I'm being overcharged" defense if you were caught stealing a high-end stereo. The judge would laugh in your face right after he threw the book at you. I mean, here's the way to get theatre prices down: attend more movies. The reason why ticket prices are being raised, is that hardly anybody goes to the theatre anymore, and if they do, it's on some frontloaded hyped up movie, where people stop going within a month or less. You see, first run is where we have the power. First run is what the execs have people show them to justify making movies. if you want to make your mark, be part of the demand side of the equation. Do not wait for supply side to get the point. Supply side will just do things like raise ticket prices, put the movie on more screens and pull other hokum to keep the revenues high. Show them what you want, where you can get their attention the quickest.
Fuck the Apology by TheAllSeeingEye	Jun 10th, 2003 08:54:33 AM
People should practice what they fucking preach and its well known that Harry and Mori regularly view and review illegal workprints or stolen scripts. Fuck the legal screening bullshit...this site reviewed a work print of one hour photo, attended an illegal screening of AOTC (sick of hearing that one myself), get their hands on leaked scripts and Mori himself has talked about downloading off napster in his own articles. Had i not known all this backstory, or had the same kinda article been posted on Dark Horizons say, i might have posted agreeing with Mori about how poor VCD's DON'T compare to a proper screening in a Cinema but his self-righteous stance is what boils my piss and i guess it's the same for most of the people who have posted here. So Fawst, please feel free to have a go at Mori anytime you like for being a freeloader himself before he got his deal with FOX.
DownLoading Movies Are Fun and Easy and make you POPULAR! by Rcamacho2278	Jun 10th, 2003 08:54:41 AM
stealing movies is what they call it. thats funny, I think if you tried to sell the movie for a profit is where your wrong, but to SEE a movie and not pay 10 bucks for it, well then that choice is yours. if someone bought a movie and brought it to your house to see, are you stealing money away from that company because you didnt buy that movie? gimme a break, what kinda commie bullshit is that. If people wanna see the workprint and decide if they wanna GIVE the company their hard earned money and time, then thats them , if the movie ends up being good they either wait to see the movie in theatres, Get the DVD or Rent it. Either way if the movie is good they WILL see it. but if the movie is SHIT, then its SHIT and it not making money is their fault not ours.
Don't make me Anglee, you won't like me when I'm Anglee by Vitaly Chernobyl	Jun 10th, 2003 08:54:42 AM
With all the hyperbole flying around, I'm amazed no-one has dusted off this hoary old chestnut. On days like today, thank God for Nomex eh? I feel like Michael Schumacher in Austria
About Moriarty's rant. by Blue_In_The_Face	Jun 10th, 2003 08:58:51 AM
It is very odd that he is getting all bent out of shape because of people pirating movies. I think that the real point that he tried to make across was the fact that morons should not be passing judment of an unfinished film and letting it know to the world. Some motherfucking moron called the 'Howard Stern Show' yesterday morning and started ripping 'The Hulk' apart by saying that the plot seemed bad and the effects looked horrible. That motherfucking moron that called the 'Stern show needs to be punched in the face with a concret boxing glove. People like that only hurt the expectations of movie-goers that were indesicive wether to see the film or waiting until 'Charlie's Angels' comes out. I cannot stress the fact that Moriarty's rant was kind of odd to say the least, this website has a special appeal because it is the closest to a guerrilla rebel camp. People come here to be unorthodox and speak their minds about the garbage that Hollywood puts out and to talk about those films that we hold close to our hearts no matter how bad they are to others. Moriarty needs to explain himself before this website crashes with a post overload. Oh, and for those of you reviewing the unfinished copy of the Hulk and complaining: Shut the fuck up, wait until the movie comes out and then passed your stupid fucking comments that you attempt to mask them as reviews. Fuck you motherfuckers, watch the bootleg and shut the fuck up if you don't have anything positive to say. By the way, I like bootleging in the hiatus between the movie is finally out of the theaters and the DVDs. Fuck you incomplete movie bashers, watch 'em and SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Hulk download - Mori's call to arms by TempusFugitive	Jun 10th, 2003 09:03:52 AM
I don't know what all the hubbub is about. I thought Mori's diatribe on the evils of downloading movies was Achingly Lovely! Alrighty then... Drew's an arrogant fucking hypocrite. Who didn't know this already? Feh.
The funniest thing about this workprint stuff.. by Sith42	Jun 10th, 2003 09:08:48 AM
..is that you all will continue to visit this site daily, hell, almost hourly..so despite all the comicbook fanboy bs posturing, you'll be back.. I doubt the rest of us would be lucky enough for you whiners to leave with your lame bean-pole comments..
Moriarty is no different than the rest of us. by Neon Jesus	Jun 10th, 2003 09:10:47 AM
I don't think I am off base in saying we have all done one thing when we said we'd do (or not) do another. Everyone I know has done something hypocritical, it's just life. Aren't we the same site who rallied behind him when he reviewed 'Reloaded' with a level head and an air of professionalism? And now we're off on a witch hunt trying to persecute him? My God, we are a silly, easily-swayed mob. I'm behind Moriarty, I may not agree with what he says, but he has the right to say it.
He has the right to say it... by Kerrak	Jun 10th, 2003 09:15:07 AM
And we have the right to ridicule him for it.
FOR THE SPELLING-IMPAIRED by seagrass	Jun 10th, 2003 09:15:42 AM
Get off the damn net and go back to school, ya morons. it's spelled H Y P O C R I S Y not H Y P O C R A S Y or H Y P O C R A C Y or H Y P O C R I CY hy
If I had a gamma ray explosion in my dessert, I'd ask for a damn by Ray Garraty #47	Jun 10th, 2003 09:17:35 AM
Or at least send it back. But that's just me.
One more thing by seagrass	Jun 10th, 2003 09:19:54 AM
When will this place ever get some decent forum software?
Addendum by seagrass	Jun 10th, 2003 09:24:29 AM
Oh, and to whoever was saying that there is no difference between downloading an illegal copy of a work print, and seeing an advance screening...well, full of shit comes to mind. Advance screenings are sanctioned; illegal downloads aren't. As far as the whole AOTC advance review thing goes...that whole deal screamed "Lucas publicity stunt" to me. And besides, that was Harry, not Mori...and we know they don't see eye-to-eye all the time.
Fuck You by cockknocker	Jun 10th, 2003 09:26:16 AM
Fuck AICN Fuck Harry and Fuck McWeeny.
To Gimp by seagrass	Jun 10th, 2003 09:35:48 AM
Read the first line of my first post. Oh, and read this as well...part of Mori's post. READ it. "Shame on you. All of you. Not everyone reading this, of course, since most of you are sane, normal, law-abiding citizens. I
My two cents on this whole mess. by XTheCrovvX	Jun 10th, 2003 09:40:37 AM
First off, i personally agree with Mori on this to a point......its one thing to download media you cant find, or is damn hard to find anywhere else online...until somebody gets the stroke of genius to release Ren & Stimpy and Invader Zim on DVD, I'll be hitting Kazaa with a vengeance with the rest of ya.....its something else to download music readily available in stores.....thats really nothing more than the modern day equivalent to trading tapes with your friends....downloading movies, 98 percent of the time, is a whole other world.Theres a REAL thin line as to what's acceptable here.....however, no matter what the media is, pirating shit before it's even released to the general public is not only illegal, but its an insult to the people who made it. What's worse, these mental defectives who are writing in reviews of these dont even have the good taste to make any sort of allowance for it NOT being finished work, another disrespect to the artists. But, the issue here is that AICN posts reviews of stuff before their release all the time....the most blatant perpetrator being Harry's first AOTC review....but, I'm sorry, i believe this is on a whole different level...when people write in from test screenings and sneak previews and such, they themselves are breaching the slip of paper they signed to get in. What they do with that information is their business, and technically, they did see the movie legally. When Harry got to see AOTC, it was a private thing, just him, 2 or 3 other people, no contract....how this little screening came about, he'll never tell, but he didnt resist the chance. If it was indeed a bootleg, then shame on the bootlegger, i hope he lost his job. Harry simply accepted the chance given to watch it, came back here with his thoughts. He even made every allowance that the effects and score were not in place, and as a result, his review was mostly of the story. he didnt ask to make a copy of the flick, and run around the AICN chat room saying "anybody who wants it, come to this address!" However, the mental defectives with the Hulk workprint simply saw it was available, and ran after it like Gollums after the the fucking ring, and took a piss on it, just because they could. Analogy: somebody took a picture of the Mona Lisa....somebody showed it to Harry, Harry told a few of his friends "its nice so far, cant wait till its done"...people at test screenings get to see the picture, presented by DaVinci himself, before its done, see if he's doing anything wrong. the mental defectives took the picture out of DaVinci's studio, made Xerox copies of it for the whole world to take, and tried to tell everyone "its shit. she doesnt even have a face, but I know its shit.", and proceeded to keep handing out copies to their friends. its not hypocrisy. thats nothing more than theft. My sole disagreement with Mori is how damaging it really is. The word of mouth is the damage. Financially, i can tell you, from an industry thats been making close to $100 million a week since May 2nd, a couple of short bus rejects arent putting THAT big a dent in the box office. But that point of view is more than likely from Mori now being involved in the industry on that level where budget is a much clearer issue. That doesnt make his point any less relevent.
Oh, and by the way. by XTheCrovvX	Jun 10th, 2003 09:41:54 AM
Its REALLY fuckin funny that most of the people who are saying "Fuck Harry and Mori, and fuck this site" are STILL HERE....
Oh, wait...I GET IT by seagrass	Jun 10th, 2003 09:51:38 AM
Gimp, you crack me up.
Back on topic... by seagrass	Jun 10th, 2003 09:57:57 AM
...regarding the advance reviews. I really don't understand why some of these reviewers are saying that the film has slow pacing...isn't exposition necessary in a narrative? Sure, I am dying to see the Hulk smash the flipping shit out of everything onscreen, but I'd like to know why. The reviews say that "nothing happens" in the first 30 minutes of the movie...well, that's not exactly an eternity...and besides, this is, for all intents and purposes, an origin story. Exposition needs to be made. The first X-Men may have seemed to drag a bit, but it was necessary to get the audience emotionally involved in the characters.
Yep, Ange Lee... by viola123	Jun 10th, 2003 10:01:42 AM
I so agree. That's what makes me believe in this film, the fact that Ang Lee is in charge. This is his vision, and I'm very confident it's going to make me cry and drop my jaw, and just amaze me. One of my favorite part of the trailer is the end when Bruce's dad tells him they'll need to watch his temper, and Bruce gives him this sweetest of looks, innocent and a little pissed though -- it's the little things that are going to make "Hulk" a winner I think. Yes, the action, but the little things too, and Ang Lee is the reason why such scenes are possible, and why they weren't just pushed aside for the more spectacular, the louder smashing -- though I of course expect a great deal of smash, too.
It's okay. by nervous twitch	Jun 10th, 2003 10:07:46 AM
I found my underwear.
The posyers at this site are like the fickle mob in "The Simpson by Aquafresh	Jun 10th, 2003 10:16:47 AM
I'm so sure that none of you are hypocrites in any way.
Hulk Hogan 4 the Sequel! by BadMOFO	Jun 10th, 2003 10:29:08 AM
Some guy has recently been posting absurd messages about Hulk Hogan on different threads. So in that great tradition, I think Hulk Hogan should be cast in the lead role for Hulk 2! He's got the name and the 'tude. Just splash some green paint on him, get Hulk TV director Kenneth Johnson, who also made the legendary Short Circuit 2, and you'll have a cool lo-budget lo-fi retro throwback to the 70s/80s Hulk smash action! And get former Karate Kid Ralph Macchio to play an evil meglomaniac, and you'll have a kick ass action flick with top drawer acting and directing talent! Hogan and Macchio In: Hulk 2 - Summer 2004! Yeah!
The difference by Lobanhaki	Jun 10th, 2003 11:13:56 AM
Last year, I had access to a server that had fansubs on it. It was certainly one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life, watching all the different anime shows there. I mean it was a treasure trove. I was able to experience a wider array of anime than I could have simply by watching the Cartoon channel. It's what's called fansub. It's done with the knowledge of those who make the series, and it's pretty much tolerated. Why? Because it provides word of mouth. Because it allows a wider range of experience for viewers, who will in turn buy the professionally translated version, and other products when they come to market. That's about the greyest I've ever gotten. But I got this stuff by FTP. I have not, and most likely will not use Morpheus or Kazaa. Why? Because that culture is less about distributing the inaccessible and more about making the accessible free, even when it's against the law. If your Morpheus or Kazaa allows you to see a great home movie, or hear a killer new band's song before they have a record deal, then it's doing good. It's truly democratizing things In my case, the FTP site allowed me to see shows I'd never had a chance to see otherwise. Rah Xephon is a good example. It was months before even the first volume of the series hit stores stateside. Second, most of the time it's not necessary unless you want to save a few piddling dollars. I can rent a movie for few bucks, buy it for a few more, go to see it first run where it was meant to be seen, for a price somewhere inbetween. That means, it's pretty much cheap shit to download a pirated copy. If you're poor enough that even that is a chore, well, there's something called MAKING A CHOICE. See, when you do get the money, spend it on something you've heard from sources you trust is good. Rent it. It might cost a few bucks, but you get what you pay for. Plus, you don't have to waste time on stuff that doesn't cut it. And if it's out there before it hits theatres? Leave it alone. You'll get shorted either way. There are a million subtle little things that go into your experience, and it is a shame if the corporate system has so pounded the notion of quality and taste out of your skull, that you don't want to find the best possible way to see something. If you're that much of a philistine, you deserve the corporations, because you have precisely their viewpoint on quality.
Mori ISN'T the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet! by jimmychitwood	Jun 10th, 2003 12:33:47 PM
I think you guys are missing a big issue here....who gives a flying fuck what Moriarty thinks?...I come to this site to learn about movies that I might want to see, and read dirt on projects that I'm interested in...I could give a shit what Harry or Mori think about stuff...Mori works for some fat kid who started a website w/ his Dad's money, who cares what he has to say? He's the type of kid that I beat up in HS, but now I realize that the geek can tell me stuff I want to know...I don't really care what he has to say about anyting else....hey Mori, I'm gonna go out tonight and have sex with some women that I'm never gonna talk to again, you wanna yell at me? I don't even download movies, either, that's the funny thing here!!
Mr. T for Hulk 3 by BadMOFO	Jun 10th, 2003 01:15:15 PM
Start the campaign now for Mr. T to take the lead in Hulk 3, and get Chuck Russell to direct! I can see it now: "I pity the fool who make me angry!" And the chief villain can be played by Steve Gutenberg! T & Guttenberg In: HULK 3 - A Film by Chuck Russell - Summer 2005! Yeah!
Hulk will RULE! HULK SMASH! by Blue_In_The_Face	Jun 10th, 2003 01:25:53 PM
I don't know what people are expecting by some movies these days. The sincere attempt made by Ang Lee to bring the jade giant to the big screen is getting dissed even before normal people can pass appropriate judgement! I just can't wait to see him on the big screen! I bet you this movie is going to rock! I have changed my mind, give Moriarty a chance to shoot himself in the foot like FETT does constantly in the talkbacks. It is more fun that way!
When geeks eat their own by GypsyTRobot	Jun 10th, 2003 02:07:19 PM
You all loved Moriarity before, now you're piling on him like he's a jelly donut. So what if Mori is a sellout (like Harry). They're only human. Whaddaya want, integrity? start your own movie website, and see if you can keep yourself pure in the rare chance that a movie studio tries to offer you goodies, junkets and advertising dollars. Not trying to be an AICN plant but all this screaming and moaning seems overblown. In fact maybe it touched a guilty nerve somewhere . . . ?
Perfect like X-Men? What a joke! by matthooper8	Jun 10th, 2003 02:20:04 PM
the Lord Sommersomething says "if you are expecting an X-Men style experience perfectly fusing great effects with characters and plot lines that you really care about, then you might be disappointed" That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Atticus Finch and his tired Matrix review...Pirate copies...I'm by Lost Skeleton	Jun 10th, 2003 02:44:34 PM
UGGHHHHHHH!!!! I'm going off on a rant right now! 1.) Piracy- I don't give a rats ass what you motherfuckers who download movies do. Moriarity had his point...he made it...end of the fucking discussion. If you want to download and watch an unfinished film on a shitty 10 inch monitor with bad sound, be my fucking guest. This is the Western world...fucking enjoy. But don't spew your stupid ass logic and comments on a talkback about the Hulk. Shut the fuck up...jerk off to your porn and keep visting AICN like you always will...fucking boycott, give me a break. 2.) Atticus Finch- okay, you didn't like Reloaded. We understand. You have only been saying that dumb shit on every fucking talkback. Right now, we are talking about the Hulk...not Reloaded. Reloaded is done for now. Hang it up. You spent your coins on the movie, you wasted some time...I'm sorry but let it go. Personally, I hope you are found dead in your mom's basement with that fake electronic pussy that you get off with straddled on your shit-soaked tighty-whiteys. But I will let it go for now....turning back into normal Guss.
Jar Jar vs. Hulk by iamarayya	Jun 10th, 2003 03:06:20 PM
hey didn't Harry say he liked Jar jar binks?...anyway, I recomend to all views of movies to never listen to critics reviews, they are all bullshit. I have read all the reviews of Reloaded and most are bad, I saw it and Loved it, has that ever happenedto you or is your opinion based on reviews. I wonder how many movies have been soured by bad reviews? Most the CGI in the trailers look like CGI and I hope ang lee set up the audiences mood to accept to forget it is CGI, i hope
Welcome to the greenhouse... by Blanket-Man	Jun 10th, 2003 03:29:18 PM
...try not to step on all the lovely PLANTS.
what's big, green, and knee-deep in shit? by Hud	Jun 10th, 2003 04:18:07 PM
a fucking plant, that's what.
Up with Piracy - Down with Moriarty by Faith's Favorite	Jun 10th, 2003 04:25:07 PM
I've never downloaded a movie, but I download plenty of music and I'm proud of it. Sure it's illegal, but screw it, so is driving above the speed limit or receiving oral sex in many states. Just because something is "illegal" doesn't mean you've suddenly got the moral high ground you arrogant ass, especially considering your history. If the fact that those in charge of production lose totalitarian control over the means of distribution alters the market, then so be it. It's called market dynamics and it happens. Deal with it. And get off your high horse and shove your judgmental pronuouncements up your candy ass. Fortunately, I don't have to wish that your precious "project" is going to suck because I'm sure you will take care of that yourself. Pseudo-intellectual poseur hick.
By the Way by Faith's Favorite	Jun 10th, 2003 04:28:43 PM
I thought Nicole21 had a very good post. You go girl.
Defending Moriarty by Mafu	Jun 10th, 2003 05:38:34 PM
That's right. I'm going to defend Moriarty's right to speak his mind. Maybe he seems like a two-faced hypocrite to most of the talkbackers here, but so what? He had a point to make - well, a few related points, really - and he presented them eloquently. You can disagree with his position on downloading movies before their theatrical release, but you can't argue with the fact it IS illegal in the US. Whether the practice is tasteless and shameful is up for grabs, in my opinion. I also realize most people on this site hate high ticket and food prices in theatres, so they see downloading films as a "fuck you" to the movie industry. That's cool, but again it's only an opinion, not a fact. As to whether Moriarty is a hypocrite who uses this site to forward his own career goals...well, I've enjoyed Mori's opinions for several years, and I would say he's always presented thoughtful critiques for or against movies he's seen. If it helps him succeed in the movie business, what the fuck do I - or all of you - care? Are you so despondent and misguided that you can't let something like that go? He's a good writer, and I'm actually looking forward to the film he's making. It might suck, but I don't know that yet. I feel Mori stated his honest opinion utilizing the events in his own life as influences, the majority of which I'm not familiar. My opinion: download your movies before their theatrical releases or not, regardless of what Moriarty says, but realize he DOES have a valid opinion. I'm out.
After a disappointing summer so far, how funny would it be if "T by Mr. Waturi	Jun 10th, 2003 06:02:21 PM
OK, maybe not that funny.
The HULK is the sexiest tomboy beanpole in Ang Lee's pants. by Det. John Kimble	Jun 10th, 2003 06:07:21 PM
All this review/talkback bullshit is just that: bullshit. I could give a rat's ass what any of you think. I will see the film in the theater and decide for myself like all beings with higher brain functions have chosen to do. I guess if you guys saw the storyboards or an animatic of the Hulk you'd be whining about the pencil work, so let the folks who've actually SEEN the FINISHED version share actual thoughts. It's like Radiohead's album 'coming out' on the internet before they were done mixing it - that's not really the goddamn album. I guess if you guys saw Van Gogh's palette you steal it and start claiming that Sunflowers is a piece of crap because he's using Cerulean Blue and not French Blue. Fuck you all. Ang, here comes my 9.50.
Oh,I see..... by Tripman5000	Jun 10th, 2003 07:03:10 PM
..it`s not ok to post totally negative reviews,blaming it on the fact that they were based on a workprint.No matter that some(mine included)said that the story was a pile of shit,rather than concentrating on the shitty(whether finished or not)effects? Seems like a few backhanders and plants going down here. Two faced,hypocritical cocksuckers!
Fuckin people by Ldrofthepck	Jun 10th, 2003 07:14:02 PM
Some of you people who post on here and tell Moriarity or Harry to fuck off are idiots. They both know a hell of a lot more about movies then any of us do. Im tired of reading people bitching out Harry when they dont agree with his reviews and dont like what he has to say. If you dont like it, dont fucking read it. They put a lot of time and effort into this site, so to all of you bitches out there, shut the fuck up!!!!
Does Hulks Dick grow too? by cooper2000	Jun 10th, 2003 07:52:18 PM
Always wondered this and from the pics his pants grow too so I thought maybe everything did.
What Is It With You Bitter Fanboys? by Krinkle	Jun 10th, 2003 08:10:44 PM
Why is it that you assume that every positive review is a plant? I sincerely believe that you poor misguided people WANT these films to be bad. Yes, we all know that the "Hulk" trailers from six months back were a little funky. Whatever. The reliable word is that Ang Lee's film is something other (thank God) than the fanboy fellatio of a picture like "X-2," where you all get excited because someone spent 100 million dollars and didn't change anything from the comic book. I got news for you, folks... The comic book is not a particularly elevated art medium. Yes, Alan Moore and Grant Morrison and Frank Miller were and are fine writers. But when translating a three-color comic book written for ten year olds to a big budget spectacle aimed at the general public, you simply have to expand on the material. Do you knuckleheads really think Bryan Singer was saying something radical about racism in his "X-Men" pictures? Jesus God! They're fun, sure, but they're beyond shallow. Point is, why aren't you all more excited by the idea that an arguably great filmmaker (Ang Lee) is taking an arguably great comic book property (The Hulk, rife with potential for subtext), and attempting to turn it into an art picture? Maybe it's good, maybe it's not... But how can you be so dreadfully negative about the film's potential? Is it because you're so jaded at 17 that you can't imagine anything delievering on your eight bucks? Or is it simply that, given the public forum that AICN provides with these message boards, you can't think of anything better to do than mouth off and fling shit? I for one have a feeling "Hulk" will be the best movie of the summer. Doesn't ambition count for anything? I really think that the great experiment that was AICN has, for the most part, failed. In giving a forum to the great unwashed, the only thing that has been revealed is that the Fanboy Nation would rather swing their dicks around and make orgasm jokes than actually say anything interesting. This generation is a footnote to a footnote...
What did Mori say? by cm_bearcub	Jun 10th, 2003 08:22:52 PM
I'm sorry I missed what was said. Can someone let me in on it. Thanks!
Ang Lee reinvents the Hulk...and it's the scariest tomboy beanpo by truthseekr1488	Jun 10th, 2003 08:23:31 PM

"The Hulk Upstairs...RESONATES with the emotional intelligence o by truthseekr1488	Jun 10th, 2003 08:39:00 PM

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any time they use the word PACING, I go zzzzzzzzzz by watashiwadare	Jun 10th, 2003 08:57:49 PM
Um, how many of us who are not professional editors on the order of Stuart Baird or Dov Hoenig or Michael Kahn, or David Brenner, or Ann Coates, or even fans them, to be qualified to say a flic stinks because of "pacing"? Just bring this up because pacing to most mainstream xmen fans means it's up the standards of xbox.
X2 Raised the bar so high... by AlwaysThere	Jun 10th, 2003 09:00:44 PM
That no other comic book movie can compare. Thats quite understandable.
Shee-iiiiiiit. by Devil'sOwn	Jun 10th, 2003 09:07:46 PM
Just came on here to get some buzz about The Hulk (my favorite childhood memory soon-to-be-a-major-motion-pict ure), maybe speculate, y'know, have a few laughs. Instead, once again, I feel as though I have definately shown up at the the wrong kinda party. You know, the one where the Dennis Hopper-esque gentleman tells you to sit the fuck down and don't breath a word about what's going on... Brrr. Anyway, STILL looking forward to the movie, and remember, it's all fun and games until somebody writes a goddamn essay on what fools we fanboys be.
Hey Harry by ThaFresh	Jun 10th, 2003 11:20:57 PM
If you didnt get special treatment and see movies before the public (and us) you'd be downloading em aswell, Check ya Uncle Tom
Hulk 2 by Marvelmoviebuff	Jun 10th, 2003 11:29:29 PM
We all know that this movie is going to rock regardless of the frickin critics. When have they gotten 1 Marvel review correct? Anyway this movie is a set-up for Hulk 2 where there will be much more smashy-smashy and much less blah-blah-blah. Origins are annoying to deal with for the first 30 minutes, but we have to suck it up to get the cool-ass reward at the end.
BUT THUNDERBOLT ROSS SHOULD BE LIKE AHAB! by chien_sale	Jun 10th, 2003 11:31:47 PM
That`s why a clean-shaved Nick Nolte should have played him. Ross is a closed-minded army general who shouts like Patton. He doesn`t have wisdom, he`s also not particularly intelligent. He`s mad because he`s responsible for the Hulk, the gamma bomb experiment was his duty. BUT what was the point of Ang Lee wanting to translate the subject matter to the screen as if it was a fucking comic-book? I`M A COMIC-BOOK FAN BUT I DON`T WANT THAT! Alan Moore said it himself, it`s pointless for him to get involved because it`s a different medium! Do it like a regular sci-fi movies, dammit! I hope the film and the creature are realistic as possible because there will be Hell to pay. Also the reviewer that mentioned the CGI in Spiderman as a great example of what we`re going to see it`s a bad example BECAUSE IN SPIDERMAN THESE EFFECTS SUCKED!
It's Robert Bruce Banner by joee60	Jun 11th, 2003 01:15:38 AM
Bruce was his middle name. His first name was Robert. The TV show pulled David out of thin air.
a quick 2cents... by thevision	Jun 11th, 2003 01:44:49 AM
Will reserve judgment till I see the movie! Trailers looked like a combo of Shrek and Donkey Kong but it wasn't ready, EW reported that the marketing insisted on the "before-it-was-ready" action shots so I wasn't sweating it...c'mon guys, do you actually think Dennis Muren and ILM would get shown-up by WETA?! Anyhoo, of course its gonna drag in the beginning cause the origin has to be told but the reward will be at the middle and end AND of course-if this film breaks 200mil- in HULK 2!! If they keep out Doc Samson, She-Hulk and intro the Leader and Abomination then HULK 2 will rock the same way X2 did!
This Bob Dylan movie is going to rock my face right off! by Brimacombe	Jun 11th, 2003 01:45:50 AM
Fuck the Hulk, everyone shit yourself over Dylan's movie. C'mon, it's Bob Fucking Dylan, I don't care if he is not an actor, he is Bob Fucking Dylan. He does as he pleases.
Even though this movie was average, see it again so we get a SEQ by joeblowe	Jun 11th, 2003 03:08:33 AM
I didn't think the movie was all that great, but it was fairly interesting. Not better then X2 or Reloaded, but still worth watching. I'd love to see what they do with Hulk2, so everyone go see this movie so they get a large opening and the exces decide on Hulk2. Also I have questions... Where was Thor in the movie? I heard there was a Thor cameo. And what the hell happened at the end? His father absorbed rock, and then water.. And then they just lost me, what the hell was going on. Why didn't his father turn into a Hulk when he touched him, from absorbtion? Spanish Banner was funny. This movie needed more comedy though.
Hey, BadMOFO! You forgot "BROTHER"! by mbaker	Jun 11th, 2003 05:54:52 AM
BROTHER!
So does Jennifer Connelly get her tits out or what? by Joe Mammary	Jun 11th, 2003 06:46:12 AM
I mean, we see Hulk's green ovaltines..I'm all for equal opportunity exploitation..go rent the Hot Spot boys, thank me later. Fuck you assholes would have all seen it already. If we see Nick Nolte's ample man boobs..we're in for 400 mill worldwide easy
Krinkle could not have said it better! by Blue_In_The_Face	Jun 11th, 2003 08:34:47 AM
Watch the final product and shut up in the mean time. If you bastards gave Daredevil a chance and that turned out to be a disappointment, you could at least give Hulk the benefit of the doubt. Good god! Spider-Man had a guy in a bad Tromaville costume and some really, really bad cgi animation and everybody though it was the greatest thing in the world! What tha' hell is going on? Are you motherfuckers upset that you cannot relate to Dr. Bruce Banner because he is a smart scientist and you are jaded, dumb talkbackers? You have to be nincompoop to apply this logic. You know that all of you that are criticizing this movie before it comes out know that deep down inside that what you REALLY wish is that all comic book related films fail and a new fucking convoluted Matrix movie comes out every two months.
i am going to see what is the different ... by mitodna	Jun 16th, 2003 07:25:33 AM
my frens got it, it is enjoyable, i would to enjoy it,again may be with him, in the big screen poor, Ang Lee, the man who release it(bootleg), i think he should do it like madonna, adding f****** highly recomended, i think it will surpass x men 2, maybe the matrix due to its pg-13, spiderman ...(till now i still never see it)

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