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Who is Mr Fantastic' Silly Wabbit, it has to be that dreamboat George Clooney!

Clooney by dougmac	May 7th, 2003 03:52:41 PM
would be better as the old Nick Fury, but this shows potential
No to Matt Damon by Samurai Judge	May 7th, 2003 03:54:03 PM
I can see George, but forget about Renee or Matt...
and another thing by dougmac	May 7th, 2003 03:55:37 PM
I know I'm not the first to mention it, but the idea of Ryan phillippe as Johnny Storm is better than Damon, but Rene could be fine as Sue (although that's bound to be a badly written character) and Chiklis or Bruce Willis as the voice of the Thing.
Not First! by Brundle_Fly	May 7th, 2003 03:57:01 PM
Ocean's Four==> Clooney as Richards, Damon as Johnny Storm, Julia Roberts as Sue Richards, and Brad Pitt as the Thing. Oh yeah, fuck first posters.
it's been said by others before me..... by cameron fry	May 7th, 2003 03:57:49 PM
Paul Walker is Johnny Storm....
FantasticFour - Clooney: good. But Hrry you're completely wrong by DrZoom	May 7th, 2003 03:58:06 PM
George is a great choice and I certainly hope he takes it. But Zellwegger and Damon are not the choices I'd make for sue and johnny... Johnny Storm needs to be younger for one thing and probably a different build than Damon. Just my two cents. Oh yeah, FOURTH!
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also...... by cameron fry	May 7th, 2003 04:00:14 PM
is the Thing gonna be CGI?....I guess he has to be but my guess is that it will depend on if people buy The Hulk as looking realistic...which he doesn't....
After all... by Samurai Judge	May 7th, 2003 04:02:35 PM
I personally think Renee is too squinty and whiny (oh, and did I mention unattractive) to be Sue. Other than Mr. Stretchy-pants, the rest of the Fab Four should consist of more obscure (yet carefully tailored) choices. Ditto with Matt Hunting...he and and Renee are too everywhere to avoid bringing their baggage to the role. More important to let the audience see Vis Gal and the Torch FIRST, actors second (this is less of a problem with Clooney, who has shown more range, especially if he's the only "top name" on the team). But I think Dr. Phil should play the Watcher, Jacko is the Silver Surfer, and Shaq as Galacticusinator. And they should have a dog on the ship with them, so they can have a cosmic-ray sidekick.
Clooney's great for Reed Richards... The tricky bit is to find t by Giant Fish	May 7th, 2003 04:02:44 PM
The greatest villain of all time deserves a great actor. Can't seem to think of anyone right now, although I remember someone metioning Jude Law (which I wasn't crazy about).And, for God's sake, don't do the FF as a comedy. Or incur the wrath of Doom.
George Clooney is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet.... by Brundle_Fly	May 7th, 2003 04:02:48 PM
Sorry... couldn't resist...
Melanie Griffith as Sue Storm... by Felix Culpa	May 7th, 2003 04:07:07 PM
That would work.
Hulk , Burly Brawl , & Thing CGI by Brundle_Fly	May 7th, 2003 04:10:08 PM
To all of you who are saying "It looks fake" or "It will look fake". Just shut the fuck up. I mean it. Please. Shut. Up.
Matt Damon would be perfect! by Egg McWeeny	May 7th, 2003 04:13:20 PM
If Johnny Storm were a FLAMING QUEEN! Casting that limp-wristed sissy boy as the Human Torch makes as much sense as giving Richard Simmons that part of Wolverine. What are we going to be treated to? A scene where Damon removes his pink thong panties and squeals "FLAME ON!" before lighting an atomic fart, made all the more potent from Harvey Weinstein's milky seed. Yes, this combined with the casting of George "TOTEM POLE" Clooney makes for a fetid cocktail.
Clooney as Reed Richards. - Naomi Watts as Sue Storm - Paul Walk by George_W_Bush	May 7th, 2003 04:18:52 PM
The president has spoken.
Hulk Vs Thing CGI by RenoNevada2000	May 7th, 2003 04:19:36 PM
With the rate effects tech advances these days, the stuff used for the Hulk will alreday be old news by the time they start post production on FF (What around February 04 to make a November open?). So even if you think the Hulk looks bad (which I don't), the Thing shoul probably be an improvement. Besides, before you judge the look of the Hulk, wait until the final fim hits the screens. They've already said that they rushed out the one trailer and things are looking better than that.
HERBIE THE ROBOT by neutrahouse	May 7th, 2003 04:27:07 PM
Don't forget him. I think Vern Troyer would be good.
Isn't Johnny storm a teenager in the early comics? They should c by Tarl_Cabot	May 7th, 2003 04:27:39 PM
and make it take place in the early 60's.That would be cool!
Mr Fantastic by Fernwick_	May 7th, 2003 04:29:43 PM
The person who would be perfect is Tim Robbins. Imagine him with gray on the sides and hes perfect
again Harry gets close, but doesn't nail it. CLOONEY as an old s by amateurscientist	May 7th, 2003 04:33:47 PM
sorry harry. love the site, you've got great enthusiasm and whatnot... but Renee Zellweger as Sue Storm? come on man, what are you thinking? have you gotten a good look at that face of hers? she's a star, right. a bit off the betten path in terms of traditioinal good looks. but even Zellweger from Jerry MaGuire days doesn't have the look for it. I'm sorry but that SOUR PUSS of her's... it look like she's just bitten into a lemon! and that's not the face of Sue Storm. classic or modern, it just ain't. now, Harry, you got all NUTTY when you saw the Down With Love trailer and fantasized Peyton Reed making Fantastic Four in that same sixties, ultra-stylized way. let me break something to you quickly - IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. sorry. but it just won't. now I don't know how or why or in what "director's lottery" Peyton Reed won the chance to make FF - obviously the same one that got the director of Simon Birch to helm DareDevil - and I'm not mad at it, per se. but to say that he should press together those two sensibilities into the one long-awaited FF movie is a mistake and it's also just dumb. if that happens, there will be LOADS of people longtime fans who won't go to see it. and if it even kind of faulters, YOU HARRY, will be the first of the first to tare it to shreds. so, it's gonna be a present take on the story. just like HULK, and Spiderman and Xmen. Matt Damon is a great idea, but I'm still miffed by him not being ol' DareDevil. that was the role for him (check Rainmaker & Bourne Identity). but him as Johnny Storm? sure. with Clooney attached as Reed Richards, I can see it being easier to get Damon's commitment. it really doesn't matter who's Ben, and Sue? can be the latest hottie. but the real question that no one has asked is: "HOW'S THE AUDIENCE GONNA REACT WHEN CLOONEY STARTS STRETCHING?!?!?!?!"
TheJake's FF by TheJake	May 7th, 2003 04:36:50 PM
I wouldn't have thought of Renee Zellwegger, but now that you mention it I could picture her as Sue. But not Matt Damon... he seems too... wrong. Although I can't think of someone better. Guy Pierce perhaps? And for some reason I picture James Gandolfini as Ben...
Sue Storm by Nice Marmot	May 7th, 2003 04:40:37 PM
Sue Storm will need to be able to open her eyes, actually have tits, and not annoy the hell out of me. Thus, a major HELL NO to Zellwegger.
George Clooney should be the Human Torch. by Ray Garraty #47	May 7th, 2003 04:43:40 PM
They could soak him in kerosene and throw a match on him. WHOOSH. Off topic: I saw the Hulk trailer before X2...I don't know if the trailer has been on the Internet or not. Everyone has been talking about the "Hulk Dogs" and the "Tank Throwing" as points of mockery, but what about the "Hulk Running" scene? His legs are blurry and he's just truckin through the desert, leaving this sort of dusty vapor trail behind him as planes dive bomb him from above. What the hell is that all about?
screw these big name actors and their baggage by Retrace	May 7th, 2003 04:46:36 PM
you are able to lose yourself in a movie where the actors are unknown. Its in our subconscious minds when we see Ben Affleck (and his $105,000 toilet seat) playing a super hero that we just saw him play some fag in Pearl Harbor or some prick in Changing Lanes. Plus he has no acting range which doesn't help. Which is the same problem with clooney. All these movies with big stars start big at the box office but end quickly because in the end it turns out to be more about them and less about a story.
Couldn't disagree more... by afropuff	May 7th, 2003 04:54:39 PM
I think big-name actors drag down the story, just as Retrace said. Look at X-Men... no one knew who Hugh Jackman was before that film, and look at how great it turned out. I think going with lesser-known celebrities is better... one of the earlier screenwriters suggested Alexis Denisof ("Angel") for the role of Mr. Fantastic... I think he would be perfect
Hey i got complete faith in Avi Arad, if he think's George is ri by DANZIGG	May 7th, 2003 04:55:23 PM
I know Batman & Robin sucked mega balls, but it wasn't just George's fault he's a good high profile choice can you imagine a cgi thing!
Renee Zellweger... by Dolemite_fan	May 7th, 2003 04:55:56 PM
is too talented of an actress to waste her time with a FANTASTIC 4 movie, that sounds as if they are throwing together as quickly as possible. Stupid asses.
THE cast by DocPazuzu	May 7th, 2003 04:56:09 PM
Clooney is fine as Richards. As for the others, Chiklis as Grimm, Watts or Theron as Sue, Paul Walker as Johnny. I like Jude Law a lot, but as Doom? I think not.... That having been said, I have no alternative in mind. Doc out.
Why are they even remaking this movie? by rev_skarekroe	May 7th, 2003 04:57:20 PM
Corman's vision was PERFECT! sk
my 2 cents.... by The Jedi Ferret	May 7th, 2003 04:57:43 PM
The PERFECT one to play Dr. Doom would be Jeremy Irons. I'm right right? SAY I'm right!!!
Hey i got complete faith in Avi Arad, if he think's George is ri by DANZIGG	May 7th, 2003 04:58:01 PM
I know Batman & Robin sucked mega balls, but it wasn't just George's fault he's a good high profile choice can you imagine a cgi thing!
thank God you aren't casting it by zappaman	May 7th, 2003 04:59:52 PM
Your dream cast has to be the worst thing I've ever seen. Also, why bother? As soon as the HULK crashes and burns like DAREDEVIL(which barely made 100 million-a big disappointment for fox), we'll see less lame comic book movies. Like the Fantastic Four. The only people who give a crap are all you nerds that still care what happens in superhero comic books. Yeah, XMEN 2 was enjoyable, but not the cinematic classic that you dorks seem to think it is. Really, what's worse-a lame romantic comedy with Jenifer Lopez or a lame comic book movie with Ben Affleck? Oh, yeah, SPIDERMAN sucked too, losers.
My 2 cents... by Homer Jay	May 7th, 2003 05:10:03 PM
Can't really argue with casting Clooney. I simply can't think of another "big star" that would fit the role better (Tom Hanks maybe?). As for Sue & Johnny Storm, cast Naomi Watts & Paul Walker, and Tom Sizemore for Ben Grimm.
Clooney is pretty damn good. by Runfromagents	May 7th, 2003 05:11:40 PM
They really ought to give christian bale the role for the flaming torch. If he can lose the british accent he would kick some serious ass. and i agree that charlize theron would rule as sue. I don't know why but, i always imagines thing with Sallah's voice (Indiana Jones).
BAH! Everyone knows Gail O'Grady MUST play Sue Storm! by TheAFLACDuck	May 7th, 2003 05:13:57 PM
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Event s/1800/GailOGrady_Cohen_834284 _400.jpg Look at that picture and tell me she can't play Sue! and John C. Reilly? ummmmmm, what? I think someone with a distinct gravelly voice would be better ... 'cause y'know The Thing is either going to be CGI or some other ILM creation. http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Event s/1472/GailOGrady_Ausse_554655 _400.jpg
A good casting... or is it? by BuckyKatt	May 7th, 2003 05:14:17 PM
From a purely economical/butts in seats POV, Clooney is genius casting. People will go see him in this -- he'll get the chicks in and guys will be ok with him too. And his big budget stuff seems to sell well. (Even Batman made money -- even if it sucked. Which I've always felt was more Schumacher's fault than Clooney's -- I thought he acquited himself well in that pile, despite what he was working with, but that's just MHO). From a personal standpoint...on one level, my gut reaction is -- OK - good idea, it'll get the flick made and I THINK he can do it. But then I thought about it and -- has Clooney ever played smart? I don't mean Ocean's 11 clever and smarmy. But genius smart? Cause that's Reed Richards - genuis, with a touch of absent minded professor (though not for comedy). I dunno if Clooney can work on that level of smarts -- give off the glow that he can solve high math equations while building a crazy inventions for kicks. Clooney might have made a better Johnny Storm (ten-twenty years ago) - that cockiness he plays works better in that character. Him as Reed Richards? It could work... but I dunno. Along with the other alternate Reed Richards suggestions above, I say Russell Crowe. He may never do it in a million years, but he played a neurotic genius in 'Beautiful Mind', so....
Filmakers with a keen vision made the Marvel movies successes, n by Killgore	May 7th, 2003 05:15:31 PM
If they are wanting to replicate the successes of X-Men and Spider-Man, not to mention the future success of Hulk, The studios should steer clear of established A list actors. My choice for Reed would be Damian Lewis from Band of Brothers. He has the stature and the ability to lead, whereas Clooney can do what? Smirk? The casting coup on this though has to go to Ving Rhames as the Thing. That voice IS Ben Grimm. The role of Sue needs to go to a convincing mother figure, not a blond sexpot. Think back to the original issues. She was Doris Day not May West. That's why the fan favorite of Charlize Theron is so remarkable. She seems to have an air of "I'm a serious actress too good to be in a funny book movie" but she has been in nothing but dreck. Johnny should be completely unknown, much like Aaron Stanford (Pyro) and Shawn Ashmore (Iceman). As for the Doctor, I'd like to see Gary Sinise as Victor Von Doom. He's got the eyes for it.
The Perfect Dr. Doom would be... by The Engineer	May 7th, 2003 05:21:56 PM
...Alan Rickman, hands down. Or if that doesn't happen, it could always be Jeremy Irons. Both can be intelligent and scary, especially if it's the voice and eyes that we're after. Plus, they can both do "Latverian" accents just find, see Diehard 1 + 3...
Well well, it seems Harry has something here by NateMerriweather	May 7th, 2003 05:24:31 PM
With two of your choices, you are on the fucking mark. The greatest choice for Reed Richards right now just so happens to be George Clooney, as he looks older than the others and can play it off well. But Susan Storm should NOT be played by Renee Zellewegger (is that how you spell it?). The perfect choice for her is right there people, and it just so happens to be Kate Winslet. She would be great as Sue Storm, and then there is Johnny Storm. Yeah, I am with you on Matt Damon, as he has almost always been the favorite to play the role. And the perfect person for The Thing is most definitely either Bruce Campbell or Michael Chiklis. Someone we can identify even when they are covered in the costume of the Thing, and come on, you need Bruce Campbell somewhere. Nathaniel Merriweather signing off.
"The casting coup on this though has to go to Ving Rhames as the by BuckyKatt	May 7th, 2003 05:24:57 PM
I kept starting to call the TBen Grimm casting genius -- Chicklis and Sizemore -- then someone says this. Fucking genius.
Damn you, NateMerriweather - by BuckyKatt	May 7th, 2003 05:27:45 PM
- you beat me to the Bruce Campbell punch. But I was gonna say he's a fun alternate for Mr. Fantastic. What about an 'All Bruce' FF -- Bruce as the thing, Bruce as torch and of course, Bruce, in drag, as Sue Storm!
Clooney is a great choice! by Vnhaln1	May 7th, 2003 05:46:26 PM
Clooney did not mess up Batman, the script and direction did that. He was fine playing Batman and will be an excellent choice as Mr. Fantastic. However Renee is too ugly and squeeky voiced to make a good Susan. Charlotte Ross would be a good Susan and Matt Damon is way too old for the part. It should be a low key teen aged actor around 18-22. I am all for Michael Chickilis as the Thing. Maybe even the guy that plays Bobby on the Sopranos.
Fantastic Four FANatic here! by Ivan_Mtl	May 7th, 2003 05:47:56 PM
Well, this bit of news is certainly music to my ears. The Fantastic Four was the first comic book that I ever bought/read/owned. Actually, it was purchased for me by my mother who called it the best "babysitter" she ever 'hired' because I would just sit and stare at the incredible (Jack Kirby) artwork for hours, thus allowing her to go about her business (washing, cleaning, cooking, etc.). The Fantastic Four comic also taught me how to read - since I just had to know what those incredible characters were saying (and my parents did not speak french or english). So, when word is out that there will be a film based on my most beloved characters... well, let's just say that I feel like a kid again waiting for that new issue to arrive on the shelves! Incidentally, BRADLEY HAMILTON read my mind with regards to the casting of Sue and Johnny - Naomi Watts and Mark Walhberg are ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!! Now that you've spoiled me, Bradley, I can settle for no less! I will include Ralph Fiennes in the cast as Victor Von Doom, but I imagine he must be a little fed up with playing scarred characters (Red Dragon, The English Patient). As for the ever-lovin', blue-eyed Thing? Well, special effects artist, Stan Winston, is on record for saying that he would like to bring the character to life, so that's a no-brainer right there. As far as playing Ben Grimm in the human scenes, I would like to see a 'good natured' guy who would bring a lot of "heart" to the character (like John Goodman, for example). After the accident, the role would essentially be a voice-over for an 'animated' character.
clooney IS mr funktastic by imageburn13	May 7th, 2003 05:48:30 PM
not really but I betcha he's thinkin he's treading REAL thin ice by signing on as another super hero
Oh-ho, no...... by CoolDan989	May 7th, 2003 05:48:54 PM
George Clooney has already helped ruin one too many comic book movie franchises. Please, Fox, DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN WITH YOUR MOVIE.
Renee... by King Priam	May 7th, 2003 05:50:39 PM
Is definitely NOT the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet. Who wants any of that dog-faced BS squnting Harry-anal-slave?
Clooney's a Dildo... by George Mason	May 7th, 2003 05:52:08 PM
Val Kilmer as Reed, Mira Sorvino as Sue, Sean William Scott as Johnny, get an unkown to do Thing as a human since he won't be in the movie long and the rest will be CGI. Ain't gotta clue as to who should play Doc Doom.
what's REALLY scary.... by oneragga	May 7th, 2003 05:53:18 PM
..is I heard Justin Timberlake was a HUGE FF fan....I'll...Oh, Christ,...if that happened.... anyway, the Torch has got to be a young, cocky, hotheaded punk type... Walker's a little old looking for the part....and you gotta watch who you cast....someone yelling "flame On!!!" who should NOT be for whatever reason will just take you out of the picture laughing your ass off. Clooney just strikes me as too much Mr. Badass to pull off Reed's nerdy yet noble persona...can't see him losing it over say, Franklin Richard's "death"/disappearance, if they go that route someday. But okay, just for fuck's sake... Reed Richards: Clooney Sue Storm Richards: Michele Pfiefer (I've always seen her as Sue. Pun intended.) Johnny Storm: Ryan Philippe (poor bastard could use a hit in HIS household) The Thing: Steven Van Zandt's voice. Cheap, can act, sounds Yancy Street to me. Doom: Gary Oldman, or Sam Neil. Feel free to fuck wit' it...
It Doesn't Matter OR... Is Halle Really "Out" For X3? by jollydwarf	May 7th, 2003 05:56:34 PM
That's what I read elsewhere. It seemed pretty damn definitive. And Bryan Singer is sounding reluctant, to say the least? Will Storm be recast or written out? Either way, wrap that puppy up as a trilogy, because the law of diminishing returns will be a real bitch otherwise. ***On to the "Fantastically F.U.B.A.R." Movie. Trust me, THIS WILL BE THE FILM TO END THE 'MARVEL'-OUS STREAK. It's just silly to think of these characters in a live action film, more so than any others before. And that includes Doctor Doom. They're going to come across looking like X-Men rejects to the public. Of Marvel's major titles, the "FF" are far and away the campiest. Granted, I don't want to see a "Thor" movie anytime soon, and that "Punisher" film will probably be a non-event, but wouldn't a good "Iron Man" film be perfect? It would have the alternate universe realism of the "X-Men" films along with the opportunity to have fun with all sorts of gadgets. The Fantastic Four are a classic comic, and they should stay in that realm. This film will be A HUGE MISTAKE.
Perfect Casting! Right up there with the only Xavier, Patrick St by Cruel Shoes	May 7th, 2003 05:59:23 PM
This bodes verrrrrry well. This is the sort of role I'd think Clooney would be wary of. I'm so happy he no longer thinks HE dragged Batman down and is willing to prove himself in this sort of role. As all the Batman/Bruce's go, I thought he was the most solid on both sides of the coin. And CGI rock and flame were the first textures perfected. The Thing and JS will kick much ass. #1 thing I find funny: guys who come to AICN, click on the George Clooney is Mr. Fantastic story, read the talkbacks, then leave a talkback about how they despise nerds. That's hilarious!! #1 thing I don't get: The CGI in Hulk is that bad? I've watched the trailer 10 times, it looks fine to me, show me all these awesome puppets pre-CGI that have you all so nostalgic. Some, yes, most, fuck no?!?
Not Clooney.... by CosDashit	May 7th, 2003 06:00:16 PM
As I recall, a few years ago, Harry suggested Tim Robbins for Mr. Fantastic, and I've yet to hear a better idea. Although Rene is probably still better for Mrs. Fantastic than, say, Susan Sarandon.
thank GOD you aren't casting it by Aridintus	May 7th, 2003 06:01:07 PM
Zappaman, I read your post about the casting and just general disrepecting of true comic fans. All I can say is that your are the Loser. The mere fact that you waste your time in a legitimate thread pertaining to a subject that you have no interest in is pathetic and testament to the fact that you have no life, nothing better to do and henceforth are the real loser! That you ignorantly bash other people's interest with malice and disdain without the ability or willingness to understand and appreciate further displays your myopic scope and anti-social behavior. I pity you and pray for your growth and enlightenment. May you find the solace and comfort for you pain that you so desperately and obviously are searching for. God Bless...........
Thing by Aridintus	May 7th, 2003 06:07:17 PM
I guess clooney is okay as Reed. He definitely has the look. I just would have like to see an all fresh cast. As far as voices for the thing and maybe even portrayal I would go with Vin Diesel. Can you think of a better voice uttering the infamous..."It's Clobbering Time!"...?
FF casting by tom_joad	May 7th, 2003 06:08:38 PM
I think George Clooney is perfect for Reed, I thought that I have read somewhere that Renee is actually being considered for Sue. Matt Damon might be too old to play Johnny, I think Michael Pitt or Jonathan Jackson might be good for it. John C. Riley will be perfect as Ben.
Seann William Scott as the Torch by jaredcatherine	May 7th, 2003 06:16:36 PM
'nuff said
Seann William Scott is the perfect Johnny Storm. by herow/1000faces	May 7th, 2003 06:20:11 PM
Nuff said.
Hey! How's about by TimBenzedrine	May 7th, 2003 06:21:47 PM
Alec Baldwin as Reed, Reese Witherspoon as Sue, Jeremy Irons as Doom, and Bruce Willis or Michael Chiklis (sp?)or even Bob Hoskins as Ben, But please ,please please do not make the Thing entirely CGI. Make him a combo of animatronics , rubber suit, and CGI . Give the actors on the set something to play to. It doesn't matter if the CGI character is giving an oscar worthy performance, what usually breaks the illusion is the interaction of the other characters, and with CGI, the actors always look like they're staring off into space. Compare the interaction with puppet Yoda in Empire with the blank stares directed at CGI Yoda. Give the job to Stan Winston NOW, he'll know what to do.
Cast folks? by james175	May 7th, 2003 06:23:34 PM
David D from X-File as Mr. Fantastic (he's a brainiac and not doing much right now anyway). Although Tim Robbins is the best idea Sue Storm - Some 30-something lady Johnny Storm - Hayden or the fellow who just played Iceman in X2 The Thing - mostly the voice so how about the main fellow from the Sopranos. Gotta have a NYC accent.
HERE'S HOW YOU CAST THIS: by Darth Borgnine	May 7th, 2003 06:25:55 PM
Richards: Peter North Sue Storm: Jenna Jameson Johnny Storm: Tony Tedeschi
oops... by Darth Borgnine	May 7th, 2003 06:26:44 PM
The Thing: Ron Jeremy Now imagine that movie....!!!
my humble opinion by beetlebum	May 7th, 2003 06:26:50 PM
The casting of George Clooney as Mr. Fantastic is interesting considering the flop of Batman and Robin however I feel he has evolved as an actor since then. However if this falls through I'd go with the fan favorite Tim Robbins. The hardest person to cast is without a doubt Sue Storm. Sue is the heart of the team and has to be able to hold her own with everyone else in the movie. She should be a strong confident woman who never needs or wants anyones help. My favorite pick would be Jodie Foster however I'm sure she would have a problem with the unrealistic material so my second choice would be Naomi Watts, even though The Ring sucked balls I think she portrayed the kind of character Sue Storm should be. Johnny Storm is the immature jerk and comic relief of the group, my choice would be Sean William Scott or Ashton Kutcher as a back up. You have to find a comedic actor who can pull off shouting Flame On! Ben Grimn should be a jock and a fairly good looking guy before becoming the Thing makeing his transformation that much more tragic. My choice would be Bruce Willis however I think John C. Reilly would also make a decent Thing. Their are only two people that can play Dr. Doom, they are Gary Oldman and Jeremy Irons. Thats it. Anyone else would be crap. Well thats it. Just my humble opinion. I'd enjoy any criticism.
paul walker by Nopa	May 7th, 2003 06:27:43 PM
you know... i only have one thing to say that's only semi-relevant. to whoever said that paul walker is jonny storm... i respond by saying that paul walker is keanu reeves. really.
Darth Borgnine, and call it Fantastic Fornication, right? by TheAFLACDuck	May 7th, 2003 06:27:58 PM
Heh,heh,heh .. you so CRAZ-ah!
Sorry Harry, I think Clooney is a stiff by TriMister	May 7th, 2003 06:28:45 PM
He's slow - his deliver, his body motions, everything about him screams sedate. Reed is elegant and Clooney is ruff. It's a bad mix. There's no real class about him. Clooney may be charming in person, but that does not mean he is classy - I'm pretty much like that. I can be charming, but no one would call me classy. So I kinda see that in Clooney. No I am not comparing myself to Clooney just sayin' as one who knows about the difference between charm and class. For me Richards is the classiest super hero ever. Clooney - he's an educated thug, nothing more. Dr. Doom hell ya, he would be perfect. Or Nick Fury for sure.The other FFer's, I'd have to think about that.... Zelleweger doesn't float my boat - too crude, too chubby for Sue. A year older ain't gonna help. Zell is no girl, she is a woman so no go. I think harry is a little southern influenced on this one. ......
Clooney was always the right choice by Terry_1978	May 7th, 2003 06:33:26 PM
He's the right age, got that same amount of grayish hair goin' on like Reed, and he could play a somewhat campy supergenius if need be. Forget that he was Batman, that wasn't really his fault. I do like Charlize Theron as Sue, though anyone of the triplets as I call them(Ashley Judd, Gail O' Grady, or Charlize....come on, you know they all look alike in their face structure). Ben Grimm....Mike Chiklis as pre-Thing and as the voice afterwards...Johnny...he's gotta be in the vein of one of those teenybopper pop idol types, because that's what he always came across as in the book to me...you need a teenager to play him, not some 30 year old playing a teenager. I'd suggest someone with acting skills, but no one A-list.
Clooney?! FUCK NO! The REAL Reed Richards is....... by SL Frankenstein	May 7th, 2003 06:37:15 PM
You GOTTA go with PETER WELLER as Mr. Fantastic! He TOTALLY looks the part, has the intense, stern seriousness needed, and would deliver the lines EXACTLY as I would imagine Reed Richards does in the comic. If the role absolutely must go to a younger guy, try Guy Pierce. Some of the same qualities as Weller, but has more cred as a working actor in contemporary cinema. Regardless, Weller or Pierce would work for reasonable salaries thus freeing up money for the massive special effects needed to pull this off right. This seems to be the key for casting in my opinion. The idea of casting Clooney and other big ticket stars for this film is that their price doesn't work in tandem with the budget beyond the five principles (The Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom). Weller or Pierce for Mr. Fantastic, Naomi Watts for The Invisible Woman, Vincent D'Nofrio (spelling?) as The Thing, and Jason Lee as The Human Torch. Dr. Doom is a tough call, however. My initial thought is Jude Law, but his paycheck might be too high. I'm up for suggestions on this one. One side note, some might quibble over a relationship between Peter Weller as Reed Richards and Naomi Watts as a younger Sue Storm. I would contend that it always seemed that Reed was a bit older than Sue and his intellect and rationality were the aspects that she felt most attracted to. The age gap would instantly create depth to a relationship that should be already well established at the beginning of this movie. However if you go with Guy Pierce and Naomi Watts, you've got some saucy young Aussies-Playing_American-Icons action!
FINALLY!! THE FRACKIN FF!! by simongarth2001	May 7th, 2003 06:41:21 PM
AWESOME.. there is NO bigger ff fan on this planet. classic kirby ff is the greatest. Face it fan boys, before x-men, before spider-man, there was the worlds greatest comic magazine...The Fantastic Four! If done right, it can be the greatest franchise ever........but this is a very difficult comic to adapt. Thats why i say Peyton Reed may not be able to handle it...but i hope I'm wrong. As for casting...Renee isn't beutiful enough...sorry. I think the sue from the stinkin crap Corman movie looked hotter. Charlize Theron is perfect. Ving Rhames as the thing. Clooney as Reed.....and anybody but Mat Damon for Johnny. Just stay true to the characters....DO NOT MAKE IT A COMEDY!!! IT WILL DESTROY IT BEFORE YOU BEGIN. Make sure DOOM is the baddest mother on the PLANET. Don't skimp on the budget... make use of Kirbys classic machinery designs and blend it with todays effects. I want the thing to be a mix of anitronics for close ups, and cgi. Cgi will work fine on a being made of rocks. Don't worry about the hulk cheeziness. Get a great score. ottman kicked ass in my opinion. Stay true to the family of advenurers aspect. slightly dysfunctional, but tight and close as any family group. Make the science incredible....the tech, amazing, the action unforgettable, mix well with a great, tight script. (Moriarty once talked about a KILLER FF script....what happened to it?) Of all the comic movies......THIS is the one I await with my fingers crossed. PLEASE DON'T SCREW THIS UP FOX!! YOU HAVE A POSSIBLY CLASSIC IN YOUR HANDS.
Reed Richards by warubozu	May 7th, 2003 06:42:20 PM
If they were interested in making a good movie, they'd go with a quality actor like David Stathairn (SuperPimp from L.A. Confidential).
Loved Fantastic Four when I was a wee genius...BUT by nottoo	May 7th, 2003 06:45:27 PM
It's been all down hill since then. While a bit out of my ken when talking back to the many brilliant comicbook hero gurus on this site, I think George Clooney would be pretty good, although I'm not so sure he has the genuine brains to carry off the role. He certainly looks the part. John C. Rielly - great casting. However as for Dr. von Doom, I'd go with Jason Isaacs, some of the other suggestions I've read here seem a bit too old, except for Jude Law, who just doesn't seem right to me. Doubt if Isaacs would do it, though...not too many Central School alumns lining up for super-hero stuff. (Somehow its just not the same as an evil wizard, is it?) Sorry, just having some fun.
You're smoking too much crack when - by Havok2000	May 7th, 2003 06:47:08 PM
- you think of Clooney and Mr. Fantastic in the same sentence. Mr. Fantastic is Sam Neill. Enough. So just stop. See Jurassic Park? Okay. So stop. The Dish. Enough. Move on. Sue Storm. Charlize Theron. Over. She's too hot and young for him. That's their thing. Why does she go for him? We tune in to find out. Human Torch. Seann William Scott, since that role will have to carry the comedy and Stifler's (snif) funny. Thing as human - Bill Paxton. Look at FF #1 again. Now look at it again. It's like Kirby conjured Paxton. As for the voice, let's just invent something called post-production sound. Already done? Good. No problem then. Dr. Doom - Alan Rickman. And if Rickman's not available, then GET RICKMAN! There, I've solved it. Next problem.
IT'S CLOBBERIN TIME! FLAME ON! by Regis Travolta	May 7th, 2003 06:51:27 PM
About time this movie gets made.
Harry, you were right about Mission to Mars! by Wdrow	May 7th, 2003 06:52:24 PM
Harry, I seem to remember your review of Mission to Mars, you said the crew of the rescue mission (Tim Robbins, Connie Nielsen, Jerry O'Connell and Gary Sinese) was just like the Fantastic Four. Hey, even Tim Robbins had the graying temples! Why not cast them? Anyway, here is my dream Fan Four line up: Reed Richards: Tim Robbins Sue Storm/Richards: Kelly Preston Johnny Storm: Jerry O'Connell Ben Grimm: John C. Reily Dr. Doom: Gabriel Bryne
OK, let's think this through, people... by tommy5tone	May 7th, 2003 06:53:57 PM
...because it seems like people are making their casting decisions without usin' the old noodle. reed, ben and doom are meant to be roughly the same age, yes? weren't they all at college together or something?***OK, so if we're going with clooney as reed, then you're gonna need a couple of actors in a similar age bracket to play ben and doom.* with ben and doom, you're going to be hearing their voices a lot more than seeing their faces, so you need some distinctive voices.*plus, the faces of ben and doom need to be memorable so audiences can still identify with 'em once they turned into a big lump of orange rock and hidden behind a metal mask.*hence, 5tone's choice for ben grimm: john c. reilly. looks like a bruiser, got a memorable voice, sympathetic enough to make you feel for him after he becomes the thing. (if michael rooker was a bigger star, he'd be a fucking LOCK for this role, i tells ya.)* for dr doom: hugo weaving. got that whole european vibe about him, very distinctive voice, can do broad villainy but temper it with humanity.*and both these guys are in the clooney age bracket.*as far as sue storm is concerned, she can't be no young bimbo. reed ain't going for no young bimbo. so she's gotta be around his age or a couple of years younger. if naomi watts has maybe five more years on the meter, she'd be perfect. (and let's not forget, she has to have a younger brother - johnny storm is, what, three or four years younger?) renee's not a bad choice but i'm going with charlize theron. she's super hot, she can act a bit, she's in the right age bracket and she looks like she'd have some chemistry with clooney.*johnny storm has be younger, but not high-school young - why the fuck would reed and the rest of the team take some punk kid along on a space mission? answer: he's got to be some hot-shot pilot or something, so he should be in his early-to-mid 20s. charming, cocky and maybe just a tad immature (think dennis quaid in 'the right stuff').*if paul walker could act worth a damn, he'd be the one but we need someone who can actually walk and chew gum at the same time - 5tone's choice: ryan phillippe. he looks like he could be charlize's brother, he's the right age, i get the feeling he'd get a nice antagonistic thing going on with reilly's ben grimm.***so there you have it - your thoughts? five-tone out.
Clooney? by A-Train2000	May 7th, 2003 06:54:17 PM
Why, so Reed Richards cand be a dry, sarcastic asshole? After Batman and Robin you would think he would run screaming from a comic book movie anyway. If he were to make another one, I see him more as a Tony Stark.
Sean Bean as Dr. Doom, and James Gandolfini as Thing! by Stormin	May 7th, 2003 07:08:04 PM
Both were born purely for the chance to these characters. Excelsior!
A FANTASTIC Cast! by FilmChris	May 7th, 2003 07:08:23 PM
Clooney would be a great Reed Richards, along with Naomi Watts as Sue Storm, Paul Walker as Johnny Storm, CGI Thing and Jude Law as Dr. Doom!
George Clowny is a dumbass! by JoelB	May 7th, 2003 07:09:25 PM
nuff said!
I Like Clooney by Darth Melkor	May 7th, 2003 07:10:04 PM
I personally am a fan. He makes good movies. He's a quality over quantity type of guy. And no he did not fuck up Batman. Joel Schumacher did. Saying Clooney screwed up Batman is like saying Liam Neeson screwed up TPM. Or Lara Flynn Boyle screwed up MIB2. They just show up and say their lines. It's the director's job to make it work.
Johnny does need to be a teen, regardless of how close it would by Terry_1978	May 7th, 2003 07:12:39 PM
In the original comics, he stowed away on the ship and was still in high school during this time, unless you just wanna take liberties for liberties' sake.
Clooney! Why? Because he's got that salt-n-pepper hair? by SL Frankenstein	May 7th, 2003 07:14:07 PM
Then why not Harrison Ford? Sean Connery? Ted Danson? Shit! Is hair the ONLY thing we're looking at here? How 'bout demeanor? The appropriate science-geek-superhero swagger? The fact that Reed Richards is basically an athletically thin guy who delivers a stream of dialogue like a computer manual. Since when does Reed Richards have the bobble-head, swarmy cool that George Clooney envokes? Don't ruin this movie Fox! Have some fuckin' guts! Cast according to the look of the characters that decades of comics have already developed. Save your money for the kick ass effects this movie NECESSITATES! (see previous post). You want silver-haired temples? Grab a can of spray paint!
SINCE NO ONE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT AND CAST VINCE VAUGHAN AS BRUCE by Sgt. Black	May 7th, 2003 07:14:16 PM
Since George "War Sucks, But I'll make a war movie as long as I get a paycheck, and be directed by an acid-dropping hack" Clooney is in... the VOICE of Pete Postelwaite as Dr. Doom; the blonde Asst DA on SVU - Stephanie March; and Johnny was a sophisticated playboy - Aaron Eckhart? **or go with the above; Gail O'Grady, Paul Walker, and Michael Chiklis.
David Spade as The Torch by jbum	May 7th, 2003 07:15:58 PM

tommy5tone, I'm with ya, for the most part - by BuckyKatt	May 7th, 2003 07:16:50 PM
- except for the whole Ryan Phillippe thing. I mean, he's ok, but when he's being cocky and arrogant -- he's just terrible. Anyone but him. Well, an N'Sync'r would be worse. And the Thing's voice should be manipulated in post, so who it originates from doesn't matter as much.
If Clooney "I Wreck Franchises For Breakfast" could grow back hi by Sgt. Black	May 7th, 2003 07:17:33 PM
... He should be Dr. Strange. And on 2nd thought... with a good dye-job, and some gym-time... Eckhart should have been Frank Castle.
Frank Langella is Doom by Declan_Swartz	May 7th, 2003 07:17:41 PM
Even if it only his voice.
Thing effects by simongarth2001	May 7th, 2003 07:18:04 PM
Stan Winston Has said He'd love to have a shot at bringing Grimm to life.....sounds great to me. Mix his animitronic Thing with some kicking cgi. Doctor Doom.......so many great actors with evil sides.....Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman, and the list goes on. The thing, Vhing raimes, john c Riley, the Sapranos guy, But I'd go with Raimes. Perfect. Sue, Theron is a great choice. Sue is much younger than Reed. She would bring great acting and a beautiful look to the character. The FF are a family of adventureres...not superheroes. The current FF writer has described them as a group of "Imaginaughts" That about says it all. Damn....this could be something special. Don't screw this up. Handle with care.
Julia Roberts should be Sue Storm by Blue Devil	May 7th, 2003 07:20:14 PM
Or someone of her ilk- a kind, sensitive presence. Meg Ryan I think looks too old, but someone along her line as well. Nicolette Sheridan could work too (I also wouldn't mind Famke Jansen, but she's busy with X-Men). I'm happy with Clooney, but by no means should the rest of the cast be treated as secondary. They don't necessarily need to be names, but have a strong presence and be good actors (ala Hugh Jackman as Wolverine). No to Matt Damon and John C. Reilly- this film shouldn't become a celebrity get-together (how can we forget Batman and Robin?)
Adrien Brody as the sandman! by MrPeanut	May 7th, 2003 07:22:22 PM
best...casting...ever
someone help me with this name for the voice of the THING by chrisyost	May 7th, 2003 07:22:28 PM
the actor that played the bad guy in the Crow with the deep gravely voice ( he had long black hair .. was the crime kingpin).. if THING is CGI tehn this guy should be the voice
A casting choice NO ONE ELSE HAS PICKED! by walnutr113	May 7th, 2003 07:25:24 PM
I think WILLIAM H MACY could play Reed Richards. But Tim Robbins is a good second choice. Clooney is so-so, it is his role to pull off. NAOMI WATTS is a good choice for Sue. For Ben Chiklis is a good choice but so is the voice of Andy Sipowitz. Sean William Scott could be the Torch. Doom is tough, but just saw BEN CROSS from the God awful "First Knight" movie might be a cool left field choice..............
4 Steps to casting The Fantastic Four (by appearance) by SL Frankenstein	May 7th, 2003 07:26:11 PM
1) Take out ANY issue of the Fantastic Four comic book. 2) Go online. Find pictures of George Clooney, Peter Weller, and Guy Pierce. Print 'em. 3) Compare the look of these guys to the look of Reed Richards. 4) Make an appointment with an optomitrist if you can't see that Weller and Pierce look WAY more like Mr. Fantastic than Clooney!
I'm still down with Chiklis by Terry_1978	May 7th, 2003 07:26:40 PM
I can just picture him saying something like, "the kid can be a freakin' flamethrower when he wants, Suzy can go invisible anytime she feels like it, and Stretch over here's everyplace at once, and all of youze still look normal. I don't think I gotta say who got the shaft in this whole super power deal."
is it me or should the lead singer of DANZIG have been cast as w by chrisyost	May 7th, 2003 07:26:42 PM
is it me or should the lead singer of DANZIG have been cast as wolverine?
key elements to be Mr. Fantastic if my memory serves me correctl by chrisyost	May 7th, 2003 07:32:44 PM
Mr. Fantastic must be tall, thin with salt and pepper hair and have a strong leadership personality. Well .. Clooney was kind of a leader figure in Oceans 11. Tall.. but not thin. We are talking Jim Carrey thin. Did I just suggest Jim Carrey in a role as a super super hero? hmmmmmmmmm
Thing by simongarth2001	May 7th, 2003 07:34:28 PM
One more "Thing"...... DO NOT PUT THE THING IN BOOTS AND PANTS LIKE HE WEARS NOW IN THE COMIC!! That defeats the "outcast" "monster" character in him...every time you put him in human clothes..he loses a bit of that outcast quality and inner demons and termoil because of his appearance. Kirby thought the blue trunks were fine......so dammit who's to argue. Until Galactus gets the raging shits........
5 Steps to casting The Fantastic Four (by voice) by SL Frankenstein	May 7th, 2003 07:35:24 PM
1) Take out that Fantastic Four comic you had out before. 2) Crack open your Buckaroo Banzai DVD. Search to ANY part where Peter Weller is speaking. 3) Read that comic while projecting Weller's voice onto Reed Richards' dialogue. 4) Repeat steps 1-3 but, instead of Weller in B.B., while listening to Clooney on your Batman and Robin DVD (if you even ACTUALLY own it!). 5) Make an appointment to get fitted with a hearing aid if you don't recognize that Weller would nail this dialogue so much better than Clooney!
please no matt damon, and the new nick fury comics suck! by yeah i'm a jerk!	May 7th, 2003 07:37:37 PM
i hate the modern nick fury comics, so i agree, score one for clooney. johnny storm should be a teenager not matt damon. i'd prefer an unknown, since i can't think of any known actors who would be any good in the role. rene zellwegger is cute, but i'd like someone more sophisticated looking. jeri ryan would be hot in a fantastic four jumpsuit, just a thought. i really want a hottie in this part. clooney will be a great reed richards. so bring on a jack kirby/stan lee extravaganza.
Howard Stern should play Mr. Fantastic..... by originalskoobx	May 7th, 2003 07:41:56 PM
Suzanne Summers as Sue, Hulk Hogan as Thing (Chaffro, where have you gone), Michael J Fox as Johnny, and Rick Moranis as Dr. Victor VonDoom!!!! Blockbuster baby!!!! Can you dig it?
Leonardo DiCaprio IS THE HUMAN TORCH!! by Darth Phallus	May 7th, 2003 07:42:24 PM
Flame on, indeed. 'nuff said true believer!
Alexis Denisof, yes! by HillaryLovesMe	May 7th, 2003 07:44:03 PM
Is Mr Fantastic supposed to be British? If so, go with Denisof; if not, go with Denisof.
NO on CLOONEY! by skaught1966	May 7th, 2003 07:50:44 PM
I have nothing against George Clooney personally. I don't even hold him responsible for the BATMAN AND ROBIN travesty. But he is wrong, absolutely wrong as Reed. The actor to play Reed not only has to look good, but SOUND good! Can you really picture Clooney spout out the scientific jargon that Reed does? Clooney can be suave, he can sound tough, he can be charming. REED is NONE of those things. Reed is something of an absent-minded professor, he rarely gets Ben's jokes. For Reed Richards, get Bruce Greenwood (JFK, the CORE); for Susan Richards get Kristy Swanson; for Johnny get the actor who play Whitney in SMALLVILLE; For Ben get Fred Ward! The guy looks as if he stepped out of a Kirby comic book. AVI ARAD! If you read this, don't get sucked into George Clooney as Reed. Nick Fury? Great pick! I'd love to see Clooney as Fury set in a Steranko '60s piece. But not Reed. Please.
Clooney Would Make a Better TONY STARK! by CHEWBLACCA	May 7th, 2003 08:04:59 PM
...But then his face would be wasted for a large part of the film.I would have loved to see G.C. as a Steranko era Fury.That would be the coolest.But he'll make a swell Reed Richards.BATMAN was NOT his fault!And I'm with those who think Stifler should be Johnny Storm.He's just cocky enough without being annoying.Lastly,I really hope that they set this movie in the 60's.EXCELSIOR!
Casting Ideas by BirdMnJr	May 7th, 2003 08:05:42 PM
Clooney is fine, but i think it should be: Eliza Dushku- Put a Blond Wig on her for Sue Storm Jake Gyllenhall as Johnny Storm and Tom Sizemore as Ben Grimm.
FRED WARD Should Be THE THING! by CHEWBLACCA	May 7th, 2003 08:07:25 PM
Or Nick Fury.Make Fred Ward the star of something damn it!
Clooney is good, cause i'd love ro forget his BATMAN but I'd say by moose420	May 7th, 2003 08:08:47 PM
I like my choices except Willis i'd prefer someone with a deeper stronger voice, but you know IRONS and Dr.Doom would own so bad!!
no to Matt Damon by randy-man	May 7th, 2003 08:13:12 PM
Mark Wahlberg as Johnny Storm...definitely
Hasslehoff Was Actually a Pretty Decent NICK FURY. by CHEWBLACCA	May 7th, 2003 08:14:55 PM
That TV movie was underappriciated and could have spun off into a pretty good series.
Clooney didn't fuck up Batman...Joel Schumacher fucked up Batman by Red Raider	May 7th, 2003 08:29:37 PM
What pisses me off the most is, Schumacher can do dark and foreboding! He's done it before, masterfully. Perhaps it's not even Schumacher's fault for Batman & Robin. Perhaps those corporate dickheads at the WB forced him to turn the Batman movies into one great big, neon lit, toy selling franchise. I love how it backfired on those assholes. I still want my matinee money back for witnessing that fucking abomination....
You new this was coming: Hulk Hogan as The Thing... by Vanadium	May 7th, 2003 08:37:20 PM
"Whutta revoltin' development, brother!" Ralph Fiennes as Victor Von Doom greatest villian ever). Hey Zappaman...you're a douchbag and you disrespect the brilliance of Zappa with your idiot postings....please change your name to something like "FuckStick"...
FF Casting. by Tons of Fun	May 7th, 2003 08:38:19 PM
I've said it for about a year now... REED: Clooney! SUE: Theron! Johnny: Damon! BEN: Diesel! Diesel's job will be cake, come in and do a few weeks as "Ben", then some studio time recording the voice of "THE THING". As for Doom? I have no idea. Find someone with an intimidating speaking voice who doesn't mind not being seen (unless there's flashbacks) and go to town.
Some choices of my own... by erb1970	May 7th, 2003 08:39:11 PM
Never read FF much, but certainly know the characters. Clooney's ok as Mr. F. I always thought of somebody a bit leaner, like Edward Norton, but Norton's got that high-pitched voice - at least Clooney has the salt and pepper and a good voice on him. Still think he's too "thick" for Reed though. I agree with George W Bush about Naomi Watts as Sue and Paul Walker as Johnny. That's about dead-on-perfect. Others who suggested Chiklis or Sizemore as Ben Grimm are pretty good too. Here's one for you - how about The Rock as Grimm? Like him or not, Rock can act passibly, is big, and because of his wrestling schedule would be perfect for 1/4 "live", 3/4 voiceover work, because we all know Thing is gonna be CG. And Dwayne has a good voice on him. Plus, he'd break up the "whiteness" of the cast as well. I'm gonna throw out my choice for Doom even though everybody will flame me for it. Stallone. Stallone would make a cool Doom. He's got the age the character needs. Jude Law's a great actor, but I don't see much Doom in him. Stallone also can act (when he's given the opportunity), and has a good voice. How about Tim Roth as Doom? POTA proves he's not too vain to spend the majority of a movie behind a mask. Just my two cents, for what it's worth (not much!)
My 2cents on casting... by thevision	May 7th, 2003 08:45:07 PM
George Clooney would work. Fox can't take a chance with Tim Robbins or Mark Harmon and personally I think Clooney was the best Bruce Wayne, he was just saddled with Joel Windowdresser and script approved by the marketing guys at WB. Least with Marvel, Clooney will star in a superhero flick where the fans are respected. Most people think having Marvel properties at different studios is a drawback and in some cases they are correct-J. Jonah Jameson should have been in DD played by JT Simmons-but being independent, Marvel can pick and choose; if they were owned by SONY or FOX the studio would have the last word on casting- do you think a big corporation owned Marvel would take a chance on unknowns like Hugh Jackman or indie actors like Tobey Maguire? AOL/Time Warner has DC on a very short leash- case in point, the firing of Brett Ratner cuz he wanted unknown Matthew Bomer to play Superman and Warners insisted on Josh "Minnesota Stoner" Hartnett!! Anyhoo, I think Clooney will work as Reed and for the rest- Charlize Theron as Sue(remember in the comics, Sue is a lot younger than Reed), Paul Walker or Ryan Gosling as Johnny Storm, Bill Goldberg as Ben Grimm/THING(Don't laugh, Goldberg does Voice Overs for documentaries AND he's a former Pro Football Player and Jewish like Benjamin J. Grimm) and Daniel Day Lewis as Dr. Doom!
FF Casting part two by Tons of Fun	May 7th, 2003 08:51:40 PM
I take back my suggestion about Charlize Theron as SUE. Whoever brought up Naomi Watts name first deserves the big prize. Absolutely perfect!
Michael Chiklis as The Thing HARRY! by The Tao of Joe	May 7th, 2003 08:54:08 PM
Watch the entire season one of The Sheild, and say you disagree. He has got the chops, like Reily, but he also has something that Reily doesn't have, the build. I mean all you got to do is slap some mud on him, paint him orange, and put in some blue underoos, and you got Benjamin J. Grimm. Plus, Chiklis' show is a FOX property, so it would be even easier to higher an in house tv actor. Chiklis for the Thing, all the way baby. PS, maybe they can follow suit with that crappy Hanna Barbera series, and have the thing turn into the thing with his special powered ring "THING RING DO YOUR THING!"
Sean William Scott as the Human Torch, Charlize Theron as Sue St by Red Raider	May 7th, 2003 08:54:35 PM
...epsecially Charlize Theorn as Sue Storm. Whoever mentioned that choice is genius! Who to play Dr. Doom? Hmmmm, I'll get back to you on that one!
You all seem to be missing the point of the article by NateMerriweather	May 7th, 2003 09:08:18 PM
None of this is set in stone. George has not yet signed on, no one has. Just two days ago Marvel execs said that there would be no casting until the script was finished and approved, and now Harry claims they are in talks with George Clooney? No I do not think so. In fact, a certain man named Avi Arad has been talking up George Clooney as Mr. Fantastic for nearly three years, which is why none of you should believe any of this. If you don't like it, tomorrow it might not be right at all. It might end up being anyone else in the universe. And I would love to see Ving Rhames as the Thing. It is not set in stone that all the characters have to be the same nationality or race that they were in the comics. Time changes, and these characters could all very well be different races (except the Storm siblings). True or false? I do believe I have a point. And Bruce Campbell would be fucking FANTASTIC as Reed Richards, or Ben Grimm for that matter. We would know the voice, and I could take Bruce as fucking any character in the universe. Nathaniel Merriweather signing off.
Monica Potter is Sue Storm by Hovitos2k	May 7th, 2003 09:20:21 PM
You know, that chick from Patch Adams and that Morgan Freeman detective movie? She's just under the radar, but a tough, good looking blonde and she'll probably be available.
Better choices for Mr. Fantastic. by Hovitos2k	May 7th, 2003 09:24:11 PM

SHE HULK by scificomicguy	May 7th, 2003 09:26:42 PM
Hey...did anyone consider that maybe they'll swap Johnny or Thingy for the She Hulk??? That would be hard to swallow for the fanboys out there, but it's a possibility. Wasn't Ice-man also a member of th FF at one time, when not an X-man?? Anyway, if they do She Hulk, then she should be a super green sex machine with long hair and FFF boobies, yeah... Can't think of any hot chix that are over six feet tall though...and NOBODY better say Chyna or else the get a boot to the head!!!!
Naomi Watt's is Sue Storm....no doubt...her rack matches perfect by Vanadium	May 7th, 2003 09:27:10 PM
I love Michael Wincott's voice....that might work for Dr. Doom...instead of a boomy voice, use one that resonates of....pure.....evil.... Michael Chiklis is 4'10".....it won't work as The Thing. How about Crispin Glover as The Human Torch...."Fucking flame on, dude!!!!"
oops, better choices for Mr. Fantastic. by Hovitos2k	May 7th, 2003 09:29:35 PM
Bottom line, Clooney has never oozed nerdy, brainy type. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and you guys are gonna kill on this one, but I'm one hundred percent serious....I think the best guy to play Reed Richards is none other than Mr. Rubberface himself, JIM CARREY. Yes, I know, but think about it. He's slender looking, he can play nerdy ( the Mask), he can do drama (Man on the Moon) and we know he can open movies. Pit him up against a ensemble cast and I think he can play the intelligent, insecure, scientist that is Reed. If not, then I motion for these others in random order -John Cusak or Greg Kinear
Renee...Zellwegger... by elreddragon	May 7th, 2003 09:32:39 PM
Ah..I must say..Matt Damon is a little too old to be playing Johnny Storm, and Renee Zellwegger for Sue...you need someone HOT to play Sue Storm...and John C. Reilly for Ben Grimm? We should just get the whole cast of Chicago down here for a reunion...My Choices? I'd say for Sue? Ah let's go with Julie Bowen from Ed and Joe Somebody..for Johnny Storm you need like a 20 year old, so I'd say go with someone Blond..(obviously) and I can't really think of anyone off the top of my head..Paul Walker maybe? Ben Grimm...I have no real opinion...because well he's in a damn costume for 90 percent of the movie...I'd say anyone could play him with a decent voice...just get someone would can do a good raspy, angry as shit because he's a damn rock, voice. RENEE ZELLWEGGER, Harry...that's terrible..
George Clooney could have potentially been the BEST Batman ... h by JDanielP	May 7th, 2003 09:36:27 PM
ANYONE who knows squat about filmmaking knows that the "end result" of a movie is mostly due to the vision of the film's director ... more than ANY ONE PERSON. -- Thus it is the director who should be accountable. -- My congratulations to George Clooney if he gets the role of Reed Richards ... though the real star will be the ever lovin' blue-eyed THING!!!
CLOBBERIN TIME....and DOOM by scificomicguy	May 7th, 2003 09:38:23 PM
The Thing needs to sound like he's from Brooklyn and needs to be a loudmouth. Nobody comes to mind except for Belushi, but his voice may not be deep enough. DOOM--It doesn't matter who's in the doom suit, it can be a James Earl Jones/David Prowse deal. I think Michael Clark Duncan (Kingpin from DD) or Vin Diesel (remember his voice fromm Iron Giant?) would both make a great DOOM.
... uh ... It wouldn't have made any difference (see above posti by JDanielP	May 7th, 2003 09:38:35 PM

Johnny Storm ---Pefected-- by scificomicguy	May 7th, 2003 09:41:22 PM
Joshua Jackson...young, fit, smart-ass.... 'nuff said.
Thank you so much! by UberSpectre	May 7th, 2003 09:42:09 PM
I can't remember how long I have been waiting for this movie to be made.... Okay as long as casting goes I don't really have a voice on this I am kool with anything... I like the idea of Monica Potter or Naomi Watts as Sue and anybody as long as its not Paul Walker can play human torch!... The Thing? Michael Chiklis all the way( I love the Shield) and the idea of Daniel Day Lewis as Dr. Doom is so good! As for George Clooney I like the guy and really enjoyed the under rated Solaris.... But forget about him anyone think Mel Gibson, that would be kool, Brave Heart style
I really like Clooney, but NOT as Reed Richards! by Johnny Ahab	May 7th, 2003 09:47:44 PM
Come on, Avi, don't turn into a starfucker now! I understand why Affleck got DD -- they needed a star to get the film financed cuz Daredevil wasn't an A-list Marvel franchise-launcher. But the FF?? It put Marvel on the map! YOU DON'T NEED $25M STARS FOR THIS!!! GET GOOD DAMN ACTORS, NOT MOVIE STARS! My choice for Reed Richards: DAVID STRATHAIRN. I can hear many folks say, who?? He's a longtime Sayles actor who's been around forever like Chris Cooper (whom he co-starred with in the brilliant "Matewan"). He's got gravitas and exudes brains -- and let's be real, do you honestly think "MIT genius" when you look at Clooney? Sorry, George. Okay, so Strathairn may be a bit obscure for the studios -- but who the fuck ever heard of Jackman before X-MEN? NOBODY. For a bigger name and a guy who's and acting machine, what about Daniel Day-Lewis? Best part of "GANGS", and I could see him as Reed -- or Doom! Tons of pretty boys for Johnny Storm, so i can't say who's perfect. And Naomi Watts would do for Sue. Let me chime in for Chiklis at the Thing -- BRILLIANT CHOICE, and he only launched the F/X Channel for you, Fox! YOU OWE HIM! CAST HIM! But no to Clooney, please.
What do you guys think of... by JonathanLondon	May 7th, 2003 09:48:14 PM
Paul Walker as Jonny Storm and James Gandolfini as Ben Grimm. I think James Gandolfini might be too big for a role where we don't see his actual face for a lot of the film but he always makes me think of The Thing. The Chiklis (or however you spell that dude's name) idea was good too.
M.F. Luder by scificomicguy	May 7th, 2003 09:49:12 PM
Hey!! I've been trying to dig up a copy of that since I heard Stan Lee mention it a few years ago in a Kevin Smith documentary. Do you know where the hell I can get a copy?
Brosnan would be good, but... by phasmatrope	May 7th, 2003 09:49:47 PM
...let's face it, the dude's a self-involved prick. I can't count the number of stories of him being aloof and indifferent towards press and fans alike. Think he'd ever show at a comic convention? Not only that, he's English. Next. I could somehow visualize Ralph Fiennes for the role (maybe even for Doom too), but I know most other people wouldn't. Bill Pullman has an intelligent gawky Mr. Fantastic vibe but ain't a big star. George Clooney may seem a bit too cool and confident, since Reed's never supposed to have passed for any kind of pimp (why do you think Sue was so turned on by the Sub-Mariner?), but I think he could work. Definitely NOT Renee Zellweger as Sue. I realize that although I may not find her attractive, other people might, there are plenty of other valid reasons not to go with her (like, uh, Sue's supposed to be classically attractive). That voice of hers is another reason. The fact that she's done films like "Nurse Betty" is another reason she WON'T. Naomi Watts is prime. She combines the beauty, strength, yet vulnerability to pull it off. Ashley Judd would be decent too, but she's probably too busy doing her mediocre thrillers. For Johnny Storm, cast any blonde twenty-something. NOT DAMON. Too old. Since you're only going to see a little of Ben anyway, the actor's looks don't matter that much, but voice is important. I like the idea of John C. Reilly, but his voice isn't that deep and commanding and I haven't seen him in any good angry performances, which is what Ben is. Willis would be the audience favorite. I fucking hate Vin Diesel and realize that he may be too young to pass as Reed's former classmate, but that voice of his would be great. It even has the New Yawk vibe going. But blasphemous as it may sound to say, I could see Ving Rhames too, after all, if they can make the Kingpin black, why not the Thing (especially because he's only human for a brief spell). Considering what a whitebread crew the FF is, by doing so you could simulataneously draw the "urban" market, all the while making a statement about the African-American male's repressed subservient anger in contemporary America... just kidding.
I think they should make "The Fantastic Four", with Hulk Hogan a by mbaker	May 7th, 2003 09:55:28 PM
IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME, BROTHER!
To The Studio: Clooney Is All Wrong For Reed Richards; Cast Tom by Barron34	May 7th, 2003 10:00:43 PM
Reed Richards is not dark, cool, and tough like Clooney. Richrads is a brainy, nice guy, absent-minded professor who can surprising kick-ass and outwit evil geniuses and malevolent alines. Clooney ain't it. Clooney would make a good Nick Fury or Tony Stark, as others have suggested, but not Reed Richards. Tim Robbins would be good, as others have mentioned, but he is not a big enough star, perhaps. Maybe Tom Hanks, who has that nice guy persona, and is a huge star that can draw in all the non-comic-book fan mainstream audience.*** Naomi Watts or Charlize Theron would be fine as Sue. That Paul Walker guy, Ryan Phillipe, etc, are ok choices for Johnny, as others have suggested. Ben Grimm? Vin Diesel is actually not a bad idea for the voice, but he is a bit young to play the live action human version of Ben. Doctor Doom? He's rather older than Tim Robbins or Tom Hanks, but how about Anthony Hopkins? Hopkins has the voice, the power, and the malevolence to play this evil genius, and Hopkins is a huge star and a huge draw. Who wouldn't want to pay to see an evil Hopkins show-down with a good-guy Hanks? I'm there. If not Hopkins, Ralph Fiennes would be a good choice. Whoever said Jude Law is off base, I think. He is way too young to play Doom. Doom is not a kid or a young pretty boy. Maybe in 10 or 20 years Law would be fine. You need someone older, with more gravitas to play Doom.***Back to Reed Richards: I think that they want a pretty big star for the character, which is why they are going for Clooney, but Clooney is a mistake. He IS a big star, but he is miscast as brainy, good-natured, absent-minded professor Reed. (Clooney was actually a good choice for Bruce Wayne/Batman, but it was Schumacher's fault that that movie was so terrible, not Clooney's). Tim Robbins would be good, but he is perhaps not a big enough star for the studio. Why not Tom Hanks? He has that good-natured, non-threatening type persona that would go well with the character, and he is as big a star as they get (Clooney is not really good-natured, but has this dangerous, smoldering, smug persona that was good for Batman, but bad for this role). Further Tom Hanks might enjoy being the lead in a fun, comic-book summer blockbuster movie, as a change of pace, perhaps, from his more dramatic roles. Look at his performance in Catch Me If You Can: competent, smart, good-natured organization man, sort-of like Reed Richards, who is a bit like a nerd suit-and-tie guy from the 50s and 60s, sort of like the Dad in Father's Knows Best, but who is a genius, can kick some ass, and beds down a younger, hot blonde like Sue Storm, who is sort of Doris Day, like some other poster has suggested (ie, she is like the faithful 50s hosewife, all pure and good on the outside, but hot underneath it all). Cast Tom Hanks as Reed Richards, and Anthony Hopkins as Doctor Doom! Barron out.
Typos: That's "surpisingly kick ass and outwit malevolent aliens by Barron34	May 7th, 2003 10:03:26 PM
sorry about that...
Anthony Simcoe has the voice of the Thing! by Swithin	May 7th, 2003 10:05:11 PM
Anyone who has ever heard D'argo speak knows it's true.
That's "surprisingly"...aarrgghh by Barron34	May 7th, 2003 10:05:33 PM

Allow me to settle this by Chingachgook	May 7th, 2003 10:10:47 PM
Clooney is a decent choice for Reed Richards. I like Naomi Watts as Sue Storm (even if she may be a bit young). Paul Walker sounds good for Johnny Storm. Clancy Brown as The Thing and yes, you guessed it, Jason Statham as Dr. Doom. 'Nuff said.
I already own The Fantastic Four on DVD and Clooney's not in it! by Doom II	May 7th, 2003 10:11:25 PM
Of course, it's the 1994 Roger Corman movie where we only see Johnny "flame on" at the very end to save earth from a laser beam, but still...Actually not too bad for what it is. The costumes are dead-on and the origin story is handled with respect to the comics, but the thought of a big-budget version is very exciting indeed!
Clancy Brown.....Yeah! by simongarth2001	May 7th, 2003 10:23:36 PM
Yeah....I forgot about Clancy Brown for the thing...that would work too. Chiklis, Brown, Riley, Raimes......lots of great ones. I'd still like to see Raimes do it. Fox needs to keep the costs down cast wise too. This is going to be VERY expensive to pull off. Every character has something about them that will cost money to pull off, add to that the sets, and high tech machinery, fantasticar and you already have a heck of a budget. But it is absolutley necessary in this case.
Avi needs to stop thinking he's Dino DeLaurentis already, Spidey by Moriarity Report	May 7th, 2003 10:24:50 PM
Avi "Gimme a big star to play Mr Funktastic, er Fantastic. I know, how about, George Clooney? He's the biggest star of them all! It's the only way to top my previous works of genius, X2, X-emn, Spider-man, HULK, all mine! I was the genius behind them all!">>> Well, sounds like Avi's gone too Hollywood. He's let his new "buddies" like Mr Clooney talk him into doing it Batman & Robin style now. Well, we had two really great movies (X-men, X2), one pretty good movie (Spidey), one pretty decent movie (Daredevil), and what looks like to be another hit in HULK. But nothing lasts forever. With all due respect to Mr Arad, the previous films worked because of their directors and he deserves credit for getting the right directors on board, but if he starts to overly micromanage these things now, they're going to fail. Already Marvel seems to be getting a little snotty about whose films these really are, as witnessed by their lawsuit against Sony. The truth is Moriarity Report always claims to like Clooney the best out of the Batmans, but that's just compared to Keaton and Kilmer because those guys were really miscast, but that doesn't mean I think Clooney did a good job. I haven't seen the guy act his way out of a nutsack personally, but he does have charisma and he actually sort of physically resembled Bruce Wayne and that's important to me. But I'd rather have someone else play Bats, and I'd definatley rather have someone else play Mr Fantastic, because now George is going to have to actually try to act using his whole face. Arrrgggggghhhh! It's like Avi suddenly forgot why Marvel's ahd such success with their films so far. Because they don't have that "let's cast Burt Renoylds as Superman" mentality. And I don't know why Harry would cast someone as old as Damon to play Johnny. So is everyone going to be at least thirty in the Four? You need to cast someone younger and not as well known if you're going to cast a big star in the lead. I know Harry knows this, so I don't know why he suggested Damon, and Clooney, and Renee "do I looked stoned to you?" Zeigenhoper, or whatever. AARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!
The Perfect Storm by TheEvilAsh	May 7th, 2003 10:26:26 PM
Howard Stern as Reed, Pee Wee as Johnny, Bruce Cambell as Ben as, of course Anna Nichole as Sue. Sweeeeet !
NO JOKE!!! by scificomicguy	May 7th, 2003 10:27:11 PM
Damn, I though of a great voice for Thing!! MR. T!!!! Hell yeah.. It's Clobberin' Time Sucka!!!!
Like Clooney, but he ain't reed richards by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	May 7th, 2003 10:45:59 PM
I'd love to see Alexis Denisof (Wes from Angel) as Reed. Whoever said Greg Kinear, that's a good choice too. He was the only good thing about Mystery Men (a relentlessy unfunny movie). They're probably not big enough, but how big were Hugh Jackman or Tobey before their flicks opened. Sell the concept, not the actors. Think about it. Blade - Wesley Snipes (hardly A list)- big hit, X-Men - ensemble with no huge stars (Patrick, Ian, and pre-oscar Halle are names, but not Tom Cruise level) - bigger hit, Spiderman - 0 superstars, biggest superhero hit ever, Daredevil - Ben Affleck - high profile superstar, squeaked to 100 million. Hell, the Greek Wedding movie made more than Cruise and Spielberg's Minority Report. Batman and Robin wasn't Clooney's fault, but he sucked as Bruce/Bats. He runs the emotional gamut from A to B. Better when he's playing the cocky underdog, not the big brain. Just like Keanu, in the right part, Clooney can rule (Seth Gecko, Out of Sight, etc). Jim Carrey (acting serious, not clowning around) could work.
There will likely be TWO characters which will require only the by JDanielP	May 7th, 2003 10:53:50 PM
But though Vin Diesel may have the "voice" for Dr. Doom ... would he be able to convey the kind of intellect the character demands??? -- The Darth Vader voice of James Earl Jones sounds closer to being right ... as it was Dr. Doom who inspired Lucas's imagination for Vader (as I've read in the past).
Harry, out of curiosity by Ribbons	May 7th, 2003 10:54:13 PM
Do you float any of these ideas on to Arad? I'm not gonna get into an argument about whether you're "right" or not right now, but since you seem so peeved by some of his decisions and you've mentioned that you have an amicable relationship with the guy, it makes sense to take these issues up with him, as well. Then again, I don't know how well you know him; your reviews just give off that impression of a close acquaintance between you two. Or do you propose them on AICN to get support for your cause? I mean, if any company in the film business reads Ain't-It-Cool-News daily, it's MARVEL...and the WB.
Interesting project by AlwaysThere	May 7th, 2003 10:57:31 PM
Could turn out well.
DOOOOOOM by MadnessTheMonk	May 7th, 2003 10:58:40 PM
Who could play Dr Doom???? My picks are Chris Walken, Jeremy Irons(didnt think of it but took it from another suggestion) or Sam Neil. A dark horse for doom could also be Pierce Brosnan or even Sean Connery. Also Clooney would be good for Mr Fantastic, but i kinda think Richard Gear could pull it off much better.
Comic book movies by BYOBkenobi	May 7th, 2003 11:03:53 PM
Ever since I was a young boy, I'd read casting call in Wizard Magazine for movies that have not been written or casted. It would put up names of characters in comics, and Patrick Stewart was ALWAYS the choice for prof. X. Its just amazing that now we are finally being treated to what we have always wanted, and that is really cool, non shitty live action versions of our sacred comics. Im so pleased with Xmen and its handling, Im super stoked for HULK and this revelation about FF is simply a wetdream come true. Ive always wanted to see a serious live action G.I. JOE and now im so ready to see it possible with the right story, casting, and script. Just imagine who could play Duke, Roadblock, Scarlett, Snake-eyes, Storm Shadow, COBRA FUCKING COMMANDER !!!! Destro, Major Bludd, Zartan and his Dreadnoks. This should be done, please,anyone with suggestions for casting on this movie is welcome in this talkback. Im going to start it up by nominating Ving Rhames for Destro and Tank from the Matrix to play Roadblock. WooT!!!!
Sue Storm by hedgehog	May 7th, 2003 11:04:32 PM
Since Reed/Clooney are in their 50's, how about Linda Hamilton for Sue Storm?
simpleton by BurlIvesLeftNut	May 7th, 2003 11:11:41 PM
John C. Reilly is a cool as hell actor, but Ben Grimm is all about the voice, and Reilly has a really whiny sounding voice. I love the dude, but you need someone gruff and since its mainly voice work, get Stallone or some other uniquely voiced dude to fill that part. Make Yancy Street proud!
William H. Macy would be the best Reed Richards Ever. by BankyFan	May 7th, 2003 11:14:58 PM
Think about it, people. Think about it.
Brad Pitt as Ben Grimm by JethroBodine	May 7th, 2003 11:15:37 PM
Think about the great dichotomy, and those baby blues...Nuff said!
Just Say Nyet To Clooney by Roboteer	May 7th, 2003 11:26:12 PM
He's too expensive (do they want this to go well over $300 M?). He comes with too much political baggage. A distraction as much as an attraction? He only agreed to do B&R if they made the story more tongue-in-cheek. Do you want him dictating that Doc Doom should be more sennnnnsitive? And lastly, SOLARIS. 'Nuff Said. He would make a great bobble-head though. (The star mentioned from BAND OF BROS. would work as Reed. Even Sam Neil would work as Sue's mentor and older suitor, see DEAD CALM). This movie is going to be more SPFX driven. The shots required will be incredibly expensive to get right. X2 was a piece of cake by comparison. You're not gonna have the angst of X2 and SPIDEY. So, good cast - yes, but an A List cast would likely be money poorly spent. Theron is perfect though. She kicked ass in TWO DAYS IN THE VALLEY, is seasoned enough age wise, priced right, and in need of a hit. Though Reed will have the most exposition, Thing is maybe the more important role to cast right. He will have all the best lines. Things voice may in fact be manipulated electronically and different from Ben Grimm. So resemblance probably doesn't matter much, but comedic timing does. Thing also plays loud and over-the-top. A stage comic might be a far better choice instead of a strong/silent tough guy. Johnny could be almost anyone among a list of semi-talented young actors. Happy-go-lucky is needed more than a drama queen. Just make sure he can wise crack better than McGuire. Langella would make a decent Doom.... Get the SPFX right and THEY will come, marquee names or not.
Tim Robbins as Reed; Clooney as Doom by Stig is Dead	May 7th, 2003 11:26:19 PM
'nuff said.
this Is Off Topic, But Please Tell Me that Someone heard on MTV by The Founder	May 7th, 2003 11:30:59 PM
Has anyone heard this except me?? Iswear to christ almighty that I'm not making this up. I heard on MTV.
Another "No" on Matt Damon by zenda	May 7th, 2003 11:34:06 PM
Not for reasons Egg McWeeny had in that offensive post. Matt Damon is a good actor, just way too old for the part. Paul Walker and Mark Wahlberg, also good actors, also too old. Ryan Phillippe or Seann William Scott might be able to pull it off, but still getting up there in years. They need to go younger. Shawn Ashmore would be perfect, if he wasn't already Iceman. Hayden Christensen, Josh Hartnett, Shane West might be worth considering. But I'd go with the kid who plays Connor on "Angel" or Jonathan Jackson myself. Or a total unknown. As for Clooney, not a bad choice. There could be better ones, but he'll do. Though I do agree with the poster who said he would be better as Tony Stark. He would. As for Matt Damon, maybe a little young yet, but I could see him as Nick Fury. Peter Weller? I agree with the person who suggested looking at "Buckaroo Banzai" and you'd see what a good Reed Richards he'd make. Problem is, he was Buckaroo almost 20 years ago. Too old now for Reed. One thing I will guarantee, whoever gets cast in this film will be picked to shreds by the posters on this site! That's a given!
How about the "sexiest beanpole on the planet" chick as Sue Stor by Red Raider	May 7th, 2003 11:35:42 PM
...and make sure that, in the film version of FF, Sue Storm must strip down to the "short & curlies" before turning invisible....
How about the "sexiest beanpole on the planet" chick as Sue Stor by Red Raider	May 7th, 2003 11:35:42 PM
...and make sure that, in the film version of FF, Sue Storm must strip down to the "short & curlies" before turning invisible....
Isn't Clooney always a cocky SOB? by Damn Dirty Ape	May 7th, 2003 11:37:31 PM
I can see Clooney as Reed ONLY if he plays him as the dorky, scientist type. I still see Tim Robbins as more of a Mr. Fantastic type, but I can live with Clooney if he plays it right. Paul Walker WILL be cast as the Human Torch (he aint gonna be Superman, so this is the next closest thing), and that'll help bring in even more money from the teenage girl clique. Besides, I know he isn't the best actor, but he has never annoyed me, and he always gives 110% on screen. AND I'm still pissed he wasn't cast as Fred in Scooby-Doo. (I still havn't seen that piece of shit and it will always be my favorite cartoon). I love the idea of Naomi Watts as Sue (sign her to 2 sequels NOW while she's still cheap). and people might groan (and he's already in one comic movie) but I think it'd be badass to have Michael Clarke Duncan's voice coming out of the Thing. OH! Or what about Tom Sizemore he has that dry, sarcastic wit about him, and he's always entertaining. And since Reed and Doom went to college together they should be about the same age, so what about Ralph Fiennes? A classy, Shakespearian actor given a meaty role to sink his teeth into. That's my dream cast: Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic.......George Clooney Sue Storm/Invisible Woman.........Naomi Watts Johnny Storm/Human Torch..........Paul Walker (I'd put moeny on this one) Ben Grimm/ Thing.................Tom Sizemore Victor Von Doom/Dr. Doom..........Ralph Fiennes Outtie, Damn Dirty Ape
Clooney as Reed...Charlize Theron or Ashley Judd as Sue...Sean W by Commando Cody	May 7th, 2003 11:41:53 PM
Come on...who BETTER to yell out(as just a vocal voice) IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME then John Goodman???
John Cusack Is My Top Pick For Reed, But Clooney Is A good Choic by The Founder	May 7th, 2003 11:45:37 PM
I think Cusack would make a better Reed then Clooney, and Jude law would work. Neither is as pricy as Clooney, but FOX only needs one A-lister for this puppy. The last Fox needs is to bog the movie down with pricey actors or actors like Paul Walker who is already recieving 7 figure deals, so that if the 1st is a hit and when the sequel comes out Walker can up his asking price to an 8 figure price, and the same is with Renee Zelwegger, who's already in the 12-14 million range. Naomi Watts or Charlene Theron are good choices for Sue, and any young blonde haired actor between 18-23 can easily take the Torch role, and actually the Torch is a character where just about anybody can be cast, and people wouldn't be up in arms over it, just so long as they look the part, hell i wouldn't even care if Justin Timberlake played the Torch, seriously. My concern is FOX getting the script, and director right.
LOL.....if Justin was getting cast in the G.I. Joe flick, he cou by Terry_1978	May 7th, 2003 11:47:05 PM
The Baroness!!! Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. I have heard that someone was planning on making a live action version, but they're gonna run into the same problems as the X-Men flicks...WAY too many characters, it's like a cast of hundreds.
Clooney's too soft for Reed by phelion2	May 7th, 2003 11:49:20 PM
Clooney wouldn't work in the same way the Patrick Stewart doesn't quite work as Xavier; He's too soft in style and look for the part. Reed is a brilliant, driven man, bubbling with that obessive energy that truly dedicated scientists possess. Clooney's style is based on quiet cool, not frenzied and idealized dedication. Same thing with Stewart, his look is too soft his vocal style too lyrical. I love Clooney, mind you, but I just don't think he could sell the part of Reed.
Jude Law... by viola123	May 7th, 2003 11:51:05 PM
I'm not familiar with any of this and so I'm not one to talk, but there's mention of Jude Law and I have cents. From what I read about their imagining of Dr. Doom, weren't they thinking of having him wear the mask for the most part, only revealing his beautiful (though I believe unreal) face for the audience to gasp at? Behind the mask is this gorgeous man (which I think Jude would be PERFECT for because he's got that dark-thing down!), but in truth, it's just some sort of whatever that he made to again, mask his true identity. A mask behind the mask? I thought that's what was the character and if so, if Jude were to be in any comic-book film, I think this would be it. Challenging and doesn't sound very silly. Like he won't have to do a lot of Ben Affleck moves, right? More of a menace than anything else? And who's Richard Reeds? Is he supposed to be handsome? And I thought Leonardo was going to be Johnny Storm? Or was that another character? Leo is too expensive though, unless they all take pay cuts. Anyway, just rambling.
Clooney is a mistake for both camps by nexxus7	May 8th, 2003 12:00:33 AM
I think George Cloony is a great actor when he is working with material that suits his style and range -- Oceans 11, Three Kings, etc. He is a deserved A-list leading man. He looks it, acts it and projects it. Hut he is not, and should not be trying to play a superhero, and certainly not an egghead scientist with supergenius level IQ who just happens to be imbued with superpowers. Reed Richards was never a leading man type (although Tony Stark certainly is, and would be a much better fit for Cloony's style range, and compliment his talents -- so memo to Marvel, fasttrack Iron Man if you've got Cloony interested -- a suave, sophisticated, handsome billionaire who builds the ultimate man toys, that's cool). That's actually one of the problems with bringing the FF to the screen-- who is it going to center around. In the comics, the Thing was always the big thing. Now thay'll have to make Reed Richards the focus of the movie so as not have Cloony get totally upstaged by a GCI (and you know it will be) character. Reed Richards, as he's written is a man of science, not a man of passion or leading man statue. Sure, he's the center of the family, but he's the father figure/loving husband/world savior. Sure they'll try to make his role a meatier, but he's still weighed down by marriage and patriachal responsibilities. He's to the FF what Xavier or perhaps Cyclops is to the X-Men--central, but pretty boring to make a movie around. He does have a cool power, but really, how many of us can take seeing a mug like Cloony's being stretched and distorted (can he even)? I think Batman was ill suited for Cloony not just because of the direction (which was horrible) but also because of the character-type. Perhaps if they had done a balls to the wall Dark Knight type (a tragic, black-shrouded antihero who is almost as insane as the criminals he hunts) Batman that would have been interesting but risky and possibly not commercial. But Reed Richards is no Batman. Fantastic Four, unlike X-Men, can easily fall into the camp trap. While Harry's idea of setting it in the Kirbyesque 60s would certaily be interesting and delicious to look at onscreen, it wouldn't work as an action movie for today's audience. Playing it straight from the comics could make it look camp (Spiderman and Superman are probably the only two characters that can pull that off). Trying to make it look too much like our real world will look rediculous. Can you imagine seeing people actually running around NY in costumes calling themselves the Fantastic Four? Riiiiight. Kinda like Daredevil. This is a hard one to balance for Marvel. What world do you set it in? The X-Men world works because it's one-off our world. Spiderman works because he's Spiderman. We'll have to see about the Hulk. The CGI Hulk looks kinda gumby but cool. I still think the face looks kinda dorky, but I believe they built the CGI using Bana as the model. So if you follow the genetic logic, that's what he's look like at 10 feet tall 1,500 lbs or whatever. I'm sure the FF will take some cues from the Hulk, X-Men, Spiderman, Daredevil and even Superman and Batman, shake it all up and see what might come out. Marvel needs to remember that it's two biggest franchises to date (Spiderman and X-Men, and no doubt Hulk will soon join them) got there by not relying on a big name star, but on a budget that went to CGI, spectacular fight scene, high production values and solid actors. The one movie where they started dicking around with the formula was the atrocity called Daredevil -- big star looking kinda stupid. Marvel and Cloony, think Iron Man, really -- big star looking kinda cool. You could probably get your financing leveraged on this attachment alone. Sans Cloony there are some other actors that might make sense, and wouldn't need to have their name over the title. Someone like a William Hurt probably would be great. Although the look is not right, he does have that intellectual babble range that would do Richards proud. Whoever mentioned the costumes from "Lost in Space" was right on. Horrible movie, but the art direction was outstanding. Hurt was the doctor/scientist/father in that one. If Marvel/Sony want to go space opera take a look at that movie. Another possibility could be Jeff Goldblum. He's about the right age now and has that lanky physique, plus the scientist thing down (The Fly/Jurassic Park). Or just go off and find a Reed Richards from the UK or Australia that you pay $1 million to rather than $8 or $10 million so you can put the difference on the screen (how many people are going to see this movie just to see Clooney. The same number that went to see Solaris for that reason. Just because A-listers are starting to look at doing "superhero" movies so they can pad their box office draw doesn't mean you have to hire them. Back to casting: My take on the FF when I was a kid was that the reason they got their powers was that somehow the rays Gamma or Cosmic or something, keyed onto aspects of their physiology or personality and magnified it. Reed was lanky, so he could stretch. Sue was demure so she turned invisible. Johnny was a hothead, so he became firey. Ben was burly and ugly so he became a thing. Oh well, it made sense at the time I suoppose. Reed Richards -- there's probably 20 or so lanky 40+ year-old actors up to the task, either on TV or in the UK or Australia. Adrian Brody to Jeff Goldblum, The movie is bigger than him, not the other way around. I don't watch too much TV or follow too many stars these days, but I'm sure someone is out there. Sue Richards -- Rene Z. would look neato if they were doing the retro Kirby stuff, but they won't. She ain't right for the modern take. Charleze (sp?) Theron or one of those types would probably work. She should probably be about 27 or 28 I guess. And as far as pulling off her invisibility, the producers need to look at Hollow Man and Predator to think about ways to make it interesting. She starts out withdrawn and ends up becoming the most powerful one of the group. Johnny Storm -- he's 17-19, right? Why the hell is anyone mentioning Mark Walberg or Matt Damon. Not that either of them should seriously consider it. Create a new teen hearthrob or get him from TV. He's cheap and hungry. You get publicity for doing national talent searches. He'll do the press junkets and not be promoting other movies. And if the franchise takes off, he's locked in for five years or so. Once everyone has gotten over The CGI Thing, he'll end up with the coolest look of them all, and will probably be the magazine cover boy a la Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. (Which would outshine Mr. Stretchy Clooney). Give him a romance angle (i.e. Maxim girl). If you go space opera with Galactus and Silver Surfer, there's Nova. The Thing -- the other CGI cover boy, but after the Hulk, people will be kinda unimpressed by that. It is mostly voice work. Ving Rhames is an interesting suggestion. You'll have crybaby fanboys moaning about source material and all. Although Ving ani't got blue eyes. The Shield Guy, I don't think it matters one way or another. Whoever said John Goodman, think Fred Flintstone, and then think again. Again, there are probably 20-30 character actors who can pull it off. Dr. Doom -- I suppose if X-Men needed Magneto, FF needs Doom. But does that really make sense? Doom is actually a pretty lame character, unless you play him more like Phantom or the Opera I guess. Another pissed off man in a mask. Ho-hum, that's scary. Why not have them fight the Friday the 13th guy. One of those British actors can play him is you're going to go that route. But I'd consider at least looking at a space opera script, and even a retro-Kirby one before I planted my ass there and tried to make it a modern take. Even the name is stupid. Space Opera Cast Silver Surfer -- forget a big name star like Vin Diesel unless he comes cheap and agrees to test for the part. It's half CGI/half heavy makeup and the character is supposed to be noble. Nova -- Maxim chick. Galactus -- Voice of James Earl Jones. Under the helmet, who knows or cares. Watcher -- one of those British actors. Terrax -- The Rock. Firelord -- Some british guy or another Wrestler. (y'see the other heralds who were off in other parts of the galaxy looking for food for G, are summoned to earth because the Surfer has defected, and they're there to take him down. Big fight scene, the FF joining up). That's space opera -- "our world as we know it is about to end. Our only hope ... are four individuals. Four fantastic individuals. FF: The Fantastic Four Costumes God don't put them in black leather. the look of the Lost in space remake nails it. Functional, sleek, battlesuits. Make the 4 somewhat subtle. Technology Reed is a supergenius. Lots of cool tech stuff. Look Lots of people looking up. Don't spend too much time in the real world on the streets. The FF Penthouse. Space. A NASA type organization. Montages showing global fascination with these people. This one is a balancing act for Marvel. It could be the superhero movie that goes too far and doesn't take the mainstream audience with it. On the other hand it could fill the void that will be created with the absence of the Star Wars franchise and the misery that is Star Trek if they go space opera. Or one that comes out looking like a bad imitator of the X-Men and ends up shooting itself in the foot. Each franchise needs to have a look and feel and world that is appropriate for it. Movie Spiderman wouldn't work in the movie X-Men world. My guess is X-Men will probably pull in about $200-$250 or so, about 1/2 the more accessible Spiderman. Maybe movie FF will try to live in the movie Spiderman world. But it could come across looking both oportunistic and campy (in which case Clooney couldn't save them, but cool CGI could, which goes back to putting the money on the screen). It still probably won't do Spiderman numbers unless it's something special, but it could crack $300 mil. If FF lives in a space opera world, it might be able to pull of the colorful Star Wars palette and sense of awe (and end up taking that territory from Superman), in which case it could crack $400 mil if done right. That's my $2.36.
I think the sequel should have... by PoopsMcGee	May 8th, 2003 12:02:07 AM
...Hulk Hogan as Galactus, myself. "I hunger, brother!!!" Good casting choice of George as Reed Richards.
Charlton Heston as Dr. Doom... by bonecow	May 8th, 2003 12:12:11 AM
"Haaa. Ha... I'm Dr. Zaius! Ooops! Dr. J. Ooops! Dr. Feelgood. Ooops!!! Damn it all to hell!!!!"
Crispin Glover as Reed by phelion2	May 8th, 2003 12:17:26 AM
Been thinking about who could pull off the "cool action nerd" workload that playing Mr. Fantastic would entail (who would look the least out of place with ultra-enlongated limbs) and my buzzer went off with Crispin Glover. Sure, the nose is a bit off, but he's got the energy and charisma to be Reed. He can do nerdy (Hello, McFly!) and has shown he can handle the rigors of Wire Fu in Charlie's Angels. He also wouldn't overshadow whomever's playing The Torch and The Thing, because on screen they are going to be what people will be talking about. I know that's harsh on Sue Storm, but if they get Ashley Judd she might not get lost in the mix. The casting really depends on the script, if they go with an accurate telling of the origin or jump ahead to Dr. Doom or (drool) Galactus and The Silver Surfer. Overall, here's who'd I offer to play the FF: Reed: Crispin Glover Sue: Ashley Judd or Dana Delany Johnny: Jude Law Ben: Clancy Brown or Robert Mull(Bull from Nightcourt)
Dude, Clooney as Tony Stark would kick ass!!! by Damn Dirty Ape	May 8th, 2003 12:23:58 AM
Tony Stark is a cocky acting/looking rich boy who revels in his tabloid-ish affairs and spending his billions of dollars on this and that! That is totally Clooney in a nutshell. He could even bring that mustache of his from "Confessions..." or just go mustache-less instead since he'd look prettier. Imagine Clooney in Ocean's 11 as Tony Stark, then imagine that hard-ass looking Clooney from the action scenes of "Peacemaker" as Iron Man, and whammo! you have the perfect Iron Man. I really hope they are talking to Leo for Namor, and not Iron Man or Captain America. And who said Dr.Doom is lame? What are you retarded? Doom is one of the cooler villians out there. He's pissed 'cause his intellectual rival (Reed) got super-cool powers and all Doom got was this stupid shirt/iron mask. The guy runs his own country for Pete's sake, yet only gets amusement from making the FF's life a living hell. What a spoiled brat, and that is why I hate him, and that is why he is the PERFECT villian. Let's hope they just don't kill him like the Spider-Man and Batman movies, but make him a central villian ala X-Men, Star Wars, and Superman. Oh, and isn't Down with Love, like a $70 million dollar movie or something? Just about all that is going to the sets and costuming. You figure that FF will have a $100-120 million dollar budget, and if they set it in the sixties, then most of that budget will go to just sets. If the Hulk has a $100+ million dollar budget, then how much WILL the FF cost? The Thing will be all cgi like the Hulk, and he'll be in the movie a lot. Plus the Human Torch will be cgi when he flame's on. So who knows what the budget is gonna be. Might as well go balls out and give it $200+, and use Mike France's script which is supposed to rock, and after Cliffhanger and Goldeneye, you know it'll kick some ass.
thoughts on the FF cast, including clooney, Theron, Diesel and o by Everett Robert	May 8th, 2003 12:29:56 AM
Not a big FF fan but I have enjoyed them in the past...Doom is the least of your concerns...lots of great choices, although Hugo Weaving in the best I've seen...Cloony, hey I'm a fan but wrong for Reed, I like someone elses idea of John Cusack...loved that!!!! Vin Diesel as Ben Grimm...did some checking, thanks to that ever loving IMDB, and those 2 are about the same age, so it would work...Charlize Theron, great choice, about 10 years younger then Cusak, not sure what the age difference in the comics was though...just checked, Weaving is about 6 years younger then Cusack and Diesel...too young for Doom...perhaps not, he looks like he could play older while the other two can play a little younger, could work....don't care about Johnny Storm, who knows...just checked, Walker is 2 years older then Theron, wouldn't work....Damon is older then Theron...Storm is a difficult choice, I would go unkowen...anyhwho...all of the above have recognizible faces, none are BIG stars to commend big saleries, I think all, with the possible exception of Weaving, would probably do it...play them younger, mid 30s, which is probably what they were in the comics, again not sure...Don't put put Grimm in the tights...anywho if they are serious about Cloony as Reed, I don't know...can see it but I can't see it...Clooney is too...rugged, just my thoughts on the FF...a bit rambeling...hey howabout Clooney as the goverment agent who gives the FF their "contract" or whatever it is they have with the goverment that makes them legit and helps them out...I don't know...Clooney as Tony Stark though...wow that gives chills
George will work by missyb9479	May 8th, 2003 12:32:23 AM
He may not look exactly like Reed, but I think he'll have the ability to pull of his heroism and strength. And he spouted out enough medical jumbo on ER that I suspect he can handle technobabel. For Sue, I think Tea Leoni. She has Sue's look, and her sexy wife/mother personality. When I think of Sue and Reed I think of Mom and Dad. Maybe because I grew up reading the comics after Franklin was born. Speaking of him, didn't Franklin Richards have a name cameo in X2? I hope they connect these movies. The X-Men are mutants and outcasts. FF are also different, but they were never treated like freaks (except Thing of course because of how he looked). They always seemed more respected because they had been heroes and adventurers who happened to get zapped. If one of our astronauts came back with some disformity because of a space accident we'd hold parades for him. If a person is born looking like that we try to hide them.
To Nexxus7 by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 12:38:12 AM
That's a pretty good analysis. I sort of think about this movie the way that you do, especially regarding the production design/look of the film. Fantastic Four should be space-focused in the way you describe. The Lost In Space comparison is interesting, and I agree: it was a bad movie, but the production design was quite good and on target (barring my main criticism of the look of the pic: it was too dark; I felt like the whole movie was shot underwater or in a dark closet). Anyway, you should think about trying to break into producing; you have the mentality for it. Myself, I am interested in trying to break in as a screenwriter, and then move on to become a writer/producer, focusing mainly on genre films. Anywa, good analysis. Barron out.
I've reviewed the suggestions and based on my data... by amateurscientist	May 8th, 2003 12:41:04 AM
I'm liking these suggestions: Tim Robbins as REED, Charlize Theron as SUE, Paul (I'm a prettyboy) Walker as JOHNNY. I think there have been some insired ideas for Ben "the Thing" Grimm. from Michel Chiklis to Ving Rhames, but it's important to remember that Grimm was sort of Good looking, making his transformation to thing was even more devistating. I also like the Jeremy Irons idea for Dr. Doom. but what about this for the Doom - Laurence Fishburn? it would be a different way to go, but one that would certainly be interesting to watch. anyone who's seen his Othello knows he can play regal bad ass. I think it would be a cool idea, neat way to go. I'd like to see them do that whole Jim Lee reboot story they did - cause that included other marvel characters like Namor, Black Panther, the Skrulls and a few others. it was short, fast, economical, and a wonderful introduction. and they way they (studios and the like) want to cram these movies chock full these days, why not do it right?
To Repeat: Clooney Is All Wrong For Reed Richards; Cast Him As T by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 12:47:37 AM
Tom Hanks as Reed Richards! Anthony Hopkins as Doctor Doom (you could make him a Visiting Professor from Latvia at Reed Richard's College, rather than a fellow student. This way, Von Doom is embarrassed and humiliated that an upstart student like Richards is actually a genius who shows him up! Doesn't alter the mythos in a bad way). Charlize Theron as Sue Storm! Clooney MUST be Tony Stark/Iron Man! THAT movie could really kick some ass! I'd PAY to write the screenplay for that one. Could be a great comic-book action film crossed with a military-style techno-thriller. Tony Stark is a billionaire playboy technology genius who is like a super-powered, armored james Bond. He beds hot chicks (Bethany McCabe, etc), flys around the world, is rich, has super-technolgy, and kicks ass! Cast him in THAT! He is all wrong for Reed Richards. Barron out.
WAIT A SECOND, WHAT WERE WE THINKING!!! VIN DIESEL AS BEN GRIMM! by amateurscientist	May 8th, 2003 12:49:10 AM
VIN DIESEL as the THING would be perfect, why didn't we think of it sooner. I hope Avi Arad is listening! and just think, he wouldn't even have to be in the movie that long, just for his human scenes, then he could go back to making triple X two and three, and thePitch Black trilogy or whatever. VIN HAS THE VOICE. I can just see it now, the Golem like CGI and motion control on the human now rock-rendered body of Vin. it would be totally ass kicking... he just couldn't be "ole blue eyes."
To AmateurScientist by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 12:53:06 AM
Lawrence Fishburne is an interesting idea for Doom, but I feel fairly strongly that Doom needs to be portrayed as a tragic and twisted European nobleman, amongst other things. Perhaps Fishburne would make a great Black Panther? I know that Wesley Snipes has always been on deck to play the Wakandan King, but Fishburne stikes me as much more regal and elegant than Snipes (although Snipes obviously has the physical ability to play a superhero). Besides, Snipes is already playing a character in the Marvel Mythos, Blade. Why not let another actor get a shot at Black Panther? Also, Black Panther is a scientific genius, which I think that Fishburne could play far better than Snipes. Anyway, that's my take on thta Barron out.
Those are some damn shitty casting suggestions. by Darth Siskel III	May 8th, 2003 01:02:51 AM
Tim Robbins should be Reed. Charlize Theron IS Sue Storm. Vin Diesel is a great suggestion for The THing, afterall, it's mostly voiceover on a suit or god forbid a completely CG character. For Johnny, just about any whitebread will do.
Dustin Hoffman for Mole Man. by FrankDrebin	May 8th, 2003 01:03:26 AM
What I really want to know is how they're going to make Reed's "stretching power" look cool. Clooney walking around with long arms would just give people laughing fits. Bill Paxton could get away with it.
Why would Clooney go for this? by Grape Ape	May 8th, 2003 01:10:18 AM
After all the crap Bill O'Riley has given him since 911, why would he work for Fox? If I were him, I'd wouldn't work for Fox as long as Bill was on NewsCorp's payroll.
English, do you speak it? by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	May 8th, 2003 01:19:58 AM
I think George Clooney is perfect for Mr Fantastic. I really like Rene Zelwegger, but she's not right for Sue Storm, it has to be Gwyneth Paltrow, she's born for this part. And for Ben Grimm, his skin color has never been an important part of his character, so why not get Samuel L. Jackson, he would be great. Johnny Storm should be an unknown. For Dr Doom, Jeromy Irons would be very good. And the most important part of all, that of Willy Lumpkin, the FFs mailman, Hal Holbrook would be perfect, I don't know if he can wiggle his ears, but if not, that could be computer generated.
paul walker as the human torch by jediphilb	May 8th, 2003 01:28:09 AM
yeah, my friend suggested paul walker as johnny storm. i think he looks exactly like him and is a much better (and probably cheaper) choice then damon.
Avi may be strategizing by Dasher	May 8th, 2003 01:38:01 AM
I think Clooney will be fine in the role - not the guy I would've picked, but he'll fill the seats, which is good, or else forget about any sequels. This could also be a saavy business move by Avi to get more stars in the film. Clooney pulls weight with a lot of A-list actors, earning their respect and friendship - look at the talent he got on board for Ocean's Eleven. So if they're going for a big-budget, star-packed FF movie, Clooney will be helpful in convincing the other stars to take pay cuts (most likely for back-end deals on merchandising and box-office revenue). Believe me, if he got Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, and Matt Damon to do this, he can EASILY get Vin Diesel, Charlize Theron, and Paul Walker to follow suit.
Charlize Theron as Sue Storm, not Renee Z. by FFBono	May 8th, 2003 01:47:22 AM
Charlize Theron would be wayyyyy better as Sue Storm than Renee Zellweger.
Ving Rhames as the Thing. by FFBono	May 8th, 2003 01:48:17 AM
Ving Rhames would be the best Thing of all.
BRUCE WILLIS AS THE THING! 'NUFF SAID! by Commando Cody	May 8th, 2003 02:05:11 AM
Actually, early I said John Goodman just because as a pure VOCAL talent -- since I'm going to bet on a CGI Thing (or hopefully a brilliant Stan Winston suit) -- I think Goodman would blurt out IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME the best. On the flip side, being a FF purist, I'd want Ben Grimm to be the rugged, good looking test pilot he's SUPPOSED to be BEFORE he becomes the Thing (which is part of the trauma he feels for now being a walking rock.) Willis fits that bill to a "T" AND he's only 5 years older than Clooney which would allow them to be close enough age-wise per the comic, and Willis ALSO would bring to an FF movie that playful spirit that Ben is SUPPOSED to have when playing pranks on Johnny. Willis would be perfect...and I'd almost bet Bruce would do it for fun AND take a backend deal since he's obviously rich enough, he just prefers to do movies that are good.
Crawfish Jones by AICN fanboy dork	May 8th, 2003 02:15:31 AM
The reason why internet fanboy geeks have that stereotype...
Tim Robbins not only has the look... by darth_testine	May 8th, 2003 02:30:26 AM
Tim Robbins not only has the look, but he can capture that earnestness and sense of optimism that embodies Reed. Look at Shawshank, look at Hudsucker. He's ideal. But Clooney will do.
corky romano as irving forbush!! by userID:	May 8th, 2003 02:38:55 AM

FF4 by Fernwick_	May 8th, 2003 03:19:49 AM
Reed should be as I said WAY earlier Mr Fantastic. Sue should be powerfull yet dependant on the others like in the comic,(not some stranged faced over shot up with Botox look now she can barely move her cheeks)so I would say because im biased Jennifer Connelly(brunette no big deal).. now for Johnny he has too be VERY young stupid and a baddass so i think Hayden Christiansen or hell even the iceman kid from X2. And for Ben Grim its all about the voice. Face will only matter about 20 mins of the movie I would guess.. Anyone else have ideas?
the fantastic four by mrfukui	May 8th, 2003 03:56:48 AM
clooney would be the best choice for mr fantastic. i have thought about this for a long time and while i love renee i don't think she would work as sue. believe it or not i think meg ryan would work best (i hear gagging). she just seems so sue like. as for the human torch i don't like matt damon. actually i think damon would make a fine ben grimm. the problem would he would be covered in orange stuff, or would he? maybe the thing could control his powers in the movie like he has done from time to time in the early ff. as for johnny storm: colin farrell. doctor doom could be played by kevin spacey. submariner, keanu reeves. but i am hoping for the impossible man. cheers, jeff
I'm surprised nobody else has suggested... by allegos	May 8th, 2003 03:59:05 AM
...Hugo Weaving as Reed Richards. He looks like he was genetically engineered from the original Kirby illustrations. And if you're going to have Doom wear his mask through the whole picture, cast Frank Langella. 'Nuff said.
Say it with me... "GARY OLDMAN AS DOOM" by JustinSane	May 8th, 2003 04:11:25 AM
Look into his eyes in The Professional. Hear his voice from Bram Stoker's Dracula. The guy IS Doom.
Clooney, the Intellectual. by KONG33	May 8th, 2003 04:47:07 AM
I can see it. HA!
No Wait!! Ron Livingston as Reed!! by Hovitos2k	May 8th, 2003 05:02:05 AM
You know, the guy from Office Space and Swingers. He's got that intellectual, reserved thing, and he's a pretty good actor. He's young and he's under the radar, so he'll probably go cheap. He was also good in Band of Brothers. Whatya think?
Clooney's way too cool for Reed by Desk	May 8th, 2003 05:33:46 AM
Clooney's way too suave, laidback and cool to play the intense, driven Dr Reed Richards. I say go along with screenwriter Doug Petrie's idea and cast Angel's Wesley, Alexis Denisof, as Reed. If Clooney IS cast his character's rubber neck will at least explain why his head keeps bobbing. As for Johnny Storm, how about Justin Timberlake playing a brash, showy poseur who's a tad obnoxious?
Yes to Clooney, no to Renee by Frank Black	May 8th, 2003 05:53:13 AM
Renee has a "hatchet face!" So, that won't work out. I'm all for an older actress taking the role, just not one who's face looks like a bull dog's ass. Honestly, am I the only person that can appreciate what a fluke her stardom is?
I've got it by 124kt	May 8th, 2003 05:55:43 AM
George Cloony as Reed, Uma Thruman as Sue, Arnie as The Thing, and... well why not Chris O'Donnel as Storm... I'll get me coat.
Is this still supposed to be a comedy? by Rupee88	May 8th, 2003 06:16:57 AM
I have a feeling this FF movie will suck if they don't take it even semi-seriously. The CGI will be fun, but it won't appeal to most comic fans. I guess they might write a superb comedic script, but this is unlikely.
Zellwegger is a shitty choice, Paul Walker for Johnny Storm... by Monkey_King	May 8th, 2003 06:31:12 AM
That guy from John Doe was mentioned as being great for Reed Richards, but Avi knows all(at least thinks so).
Clooney is cool but by Steve Rogers	May 8th, 2003 07:16:05 AM
I don't think he could be a convincing Reed Richards. I like the guy and I think he makes good films, but he doesn't project the nerdy vibe of Reed, he's too cool. Anyway, I doubt he would do this, as it would invove sequel deals and everything else that comes with these franchises, and Clooney seems to have been seriously put off all that shit after the disaster of Batman & Robin. Paul Walker is a frucking dick, don't let him be Johnny. Ben Grimm is all about the vocie an attitude, so suggestions like Chiklis are all good, solid stuff. Dr Doom too is more about the attitude and feeling of menace than being a pretty boy. Give us George as Tony Stark! He would kick ass as an alcholoic millionaire! A Nick Fury movie should be done with Samuel L. Jackson - ULTIMATE FURY!!! the guy pulling for Peter Weller - get over it dude, they would sooner give it to Peter frickin Jackson.
All time dream cast... by SongOfTheSausage	May 8th, 2003 07:23:29 AM
Pierce Brosnan - Reed Gwyneth Paltrow - Sue Leonardo Di Caprio - Jhonny Russel Crowe - the Thing
It's scary how much Rene by Human Tornado	May 8th, 2003 07:32:10 AM
... but I's love to see Helen Hunt give it a go. Best ass in the bizz. Would look grat in blue spandex.
Gillian Andersen or Marg Helgenberger for Sue by SleepingCat	May 8th, 2003 07:36:14 AM
Then get a young punk from TV as well for Johnny - that kid from Gilmore Girls seems right but a bit short. Ving or Vin as Ben is good to widen the demographics (but then, that didn't help Daredevil). Finally, a British actor for the villain - they can act even with a mask on. Since you need an Oscar winner just to top it off (X1 has 1, X2 has 2), get Jeremy Irons. My worry is that they'll change the cosmic ray space ship crash because of Columbia.
Helen Hunt, are you shitting me? by earthworm	May 8th, 2003 07:41:09 AM
I'll be the first to admit I've never read any FF, (200AD man you see) but anyone who says they want to see that 40+ orange peel textured ass poured into blue spandex has got to be taking the piss. How the hell this woman ever made sex symbol status is beyond me.
To the guy who said Billy-Bob Thornton as The Thing by Human Tornado	May 8th, 2003 07:43:57 AM
Let me hear a "HELL YEAH!" That would fucking rock - and I mean ORANGE-COLORED rock. Harry, start pushing Billy Bob for THE THING role now, otherwise I WILL!
I can't stand Clooney by bilabooteen	May 8th, 2003 07:46:18 AM
His head is so wobbly, you know like those mongoloid toys you put in car so the head is always shaking? Somebody put braces on em!
costumes by simongarth2001	May 8th, 2003 07:52:58 AM
I like the idea for "Lost in space" costumes on the main characters. But i would add nice jackets to it, with the 4 symbol on the arm or off set on the chest or both. no skin tight spandex. it looked stupid in the corman flic, and it just wont work to any level of seriousness. The thing HAS to be in his trunks. He is a monster and an outcast. Every time you add normal wear to him like pants and boots, he becomes more associated with being normal. I'd have him always trying to put on a boot or a suit.....and it continually rips off his rocky form...making him feel even more an outcast. The trunks were what Kirby thought of, and they are what Grimm should be in. Go to the source for the design ideas! look at classic kirby for machinery. The stuff reed thinks of has to be beyond belief in its design. Kirby's look was right on. If you are going to go with Doom as a character, let him have an army of robot soldiers or a doom bot to battle. Doom is too regal to dirty his hands and that gives you a chance to whoop some robotic ass. People have clamored for Sentinels in the x men movies to no avail.....so lets see some cool sci-fi battles in this movie.Visually, Fantastic four should be stunning to look at. As I watched lost in space, I got the feeling of the FF. The sets were awesome. Make sure the things reed creates and the world the characters exist in is just as kick ass and better. Screw all this talk on actors......the real question is this....Does everyone seriously believe Peyton Reed can pull this off as director? From the man who brought us the awe inspiring, "bring it on?" This is what scares me about this whole thing.
Strange real-life parallels to FF/Reed Richards by SongOfTheSausage	May 8th, 2003 08:31:15 AM
http://www.scaled.com/projects /tierone/index.htm - check out the photos on this page http://www.villagevoice.com/is sues/0250/baard.php http://www.space.com/businesst echnology/blacklight_power_000 522.html
if you are intent on vin diesel as the thing, then let's rethink by tommy5tone	May 8th, 2003 08:41:17 AM
...and go a little younger. vin as ben grimm/the thing. josh lucas as reed richards. naomi watts as sue storm. ryan gosling as johnny storm. and paul bettany as dr doom. how fucking cool is that lineup?
muts nuts by diablo rising	May 8th, 2003 08:53:33 AM
For human torch my vote goes to Billy Crudup oh and my mom has got a wooden leg
uh.. matt damon as johnny storm? ... harry, i know counting may by BEARison Ford	May 8th, 2003 09:10:29 AM
do you have any idea how OLD he is? Johnny Storm, if anything, should definitely be in his late teens, like his comic counterpart. Matt Damon, while youthful, cannot do late teens, and SHOULDN'T. I'll also be extremely surprised if Clooney would take a role like this. Hopefully he'll read the script beforehand.
Clooney's Solaris was slow and boring by Hud	May 8th, 2003 09:28:36 AM
Jim Carrey for Mr. Fantastic; Freddie Prinze Jr. for Johnny Storm; Pamela Anderson for Sue Storm (you'll bloody thank me when she puts on the costume); and Ron Jeremy for The Thing
Sue = Rebecca Romjin Stamos by TriMister	May 8th, 2003 09:53:05 AM
Beautiful, smart, fantastc (or Mrs Fantastic) all the way. nuff said.
Rebecca Romjin perfect in EVERY way... by SongOfTheSausage	May 8th, 2003 10:04:29 AM
except one... she can't act! same problem with Clooney... She sure looks the part... and she would REALLY look good in that suit.
The Perfect Casting!!!! by GRAPPLER98	May 8th, 2003 10:11:23 AM
George Clooney for Reed is fine, and big enough of a name to get some people who might not normally check this out, to give it a try. T
The Perfect Casting!!!! by GRAPPLER98	May 8th, 2003 10:11:29 AM
George Clooney for Reed is fine, and big enough of a name to get some people who might not normally check this out, to give it a try. T
VING RHAMES IS BEN GRIMM. by Lil Ze	May 8th, 2003 10:21:22 AM
If we are truly in an age where we can think outside of petty issues like race, then anyone would have to admit that Ving Rhames is Ben Grimm. I have been racking my brains for with the casting of this character ever since the first FF movie was made. I have been through the pros and cons of nearly every actor on the planet and I always come back to The Ving. Check Undisputed or Baby Boy. VING RHAMES IS BEN GRIMM. If only we can cast a film based on who is right for the role, Ving Rhames would bag this part hands down. Any sceptic would have apprhensions solely based on Vings colour, but when they imagine Mr. Rhames getting his teeth into the role, there would be not a complaint in sight. I am not saying that when it comes to the stocky, aggressive violent types, give the roles to black men (Michael Clarke Duncan in Daredevil), because in truth, I don't think there are any black actors in hollywood who can nail this part either. Ving Rhames is in a class of his own. VING RHAMES IS BEN GRIMM. Ben Grimm was not aggressive or violent natured, but he did have a sense of urgency about him along with a gentleness. Basically Ving Rhames. If there is anyone reading this that has any say in casting, please just think about it for a second, because I just want the best movie possible to be made. George Cloony and Ving Rhames already had chemistry together in Out Of Sight. Watch it again for a refresher. VING RHAMES IS BEN GRIMM.
by Nitecrawler	May 8th, 2003 10:24:35 AM

On a related X2 matter.... by Nitecrawler	May 8th, 2003 10:27:59 AM
... This is one I haven't seen anyone mention yet- on Stryker's famed computer screen, with all the mutants listed, the far right corner has the "big" files- Muir Island, Project Wideawake, Omega Red, and.... Franklin Richards. If he's big enough to rate his own file in X2..... think these two movies will inhabit the same universe?
WILLIAM H MACY IS REED RICHARDS!!!!!!!! by trago	May 8th, 2003 10:39:03 AM
fuck clooney... they're only talking to him because all the women meltdown around him. it has nothing to do with his talent or his appropriateness for the role.
WILLIAM H MACY IS REED RICHARDS!!!!!!!! by trago	May 8th, 2003 10:41:06 AM
fuck clooney... they're only talking to him because all the women meltdown around him. it has nothing to do with his talent or his appropriateness for the role.
My perfect cast by SmackBoy	May 8th, 2003 10:42:16 AM
OK: Dennis Quaid: Mr Fantastic Charlize Theron: Sue Storm Paul Walker: Johnny Storm and I hate to put them back together, but I think Vin Diesel would be a pefect Thing (hed be CG anyway, and that voice would be perfect). I really dont think John Reilly would be good, hes too soft spoken, not rough like Ben is. I gues Cloonie would be a good Mr Fantastic but hes not my first choice, and oh yes, Jermy Irons IS Dr Doom.... so perfect as long hes doesnt do it over the top...
WRONG by the boom	May 8th, 2003 11:07:52 AM
George Clooney, while being a good actor, is absolutely wrong as fuck for Reed Richards. Couldn't be a worse choice. I'm serious. Put Andy Dick in the role, or Alf, or the Olsen twins, if you're gonna do George. Richards is not a smug, smarmy, hunk. HE'S A SUPER GENIUS. He's gentle, he's aloof, he's preoccupied with his science, he's a pacifist. What he is not is quick with a joke. Just say no to George. Sorry Harry, but these guys are showing that they have NO CLUE what the FF is all about.
Well, SO far..... by oneragga	May 8th, 2003 11:09:18 AM
Clooney-as-Tony Stark does make a shiteload more sense. He could do that role some justice. Tim Robbins as Mr. Boombastic..er' Funktastic...(sorry) Fantastic Reed makes more sense as well, provided he hits the gym to lean out, and yeah, I thought the same damn thing about the Mission to Mars cast reminding me of the FF. Sub Phillipe for Mcdonnel and I think you've got something there. Sinese as Grimm would work, he's got the edge/acting chops to pull it off. They all come cheap, which they'll need due to the F/X costs. And ALL of them have powers which will distort (Reed), disfigure (Ben), render unrecognizable (Johnny), or make in-fucking-visible (Sue) anyway, so star egos jocking for closeups need not apply. BTW kudos to everyone on here who threw out their casting choices while keeping the bashing of others' to a minimum. That's what this thing's all about, fun speculation. So far, all ideas thrown out for casting ain't half bad.
Grimm: Tom Sizemore, Johnny: Ryan Phillipe by Batguy	May 8th, 2003 11:09:52 AM
Just my 2 cents - Johnny is hard to cast. I'm suggesting Phillipe based solely on look.
Ving Rhames as Ben Grimm??? by Damn Dirty Ape	May 8th, 2003 11:34:30 AM
Sorry guys, I just can't see Ving as the Thing. At first I was like "Yeah, that'd be cool", but then I think of that line from Con Air...."It's time ta off da piiiiigs....", and I just can't see that voice coming out of the Thing. Ving sounds more hip-hop/urban-ish style to his voice, while Ben Grimm needs more of a troubled, under-educated hard-ass sound. I still prefer Tome Sizemore (he's got that ruff-gruff smart-ass style down pat), and I could also see Vin Diesel and definately Michael Clarke Duncan. MCD has the perfect voice for Grimm, and they could even scan his body mass for size refrence. If they wanted Vin Diesel for Daredevil and the Flash, there's no way he's gonna be in the Thing were he's only on screen for about 20 minutes if that. outtie, Damn Dirty Ape
clooney by boohallsmalls	May 8th, 2003 11:36:45 AM
people you need to stop bashing clooney for Batman. It wasn't his fault. he had a horrible supporting cast (minus Alfred), a terrible script, and a moron shitty ass director to work with. A young Brandon wouldn't have been able to make a good movie with that crew. not too mention WB fucks up basically everything they touch, Matrix excluded (I hope)
Hulk Hogan as Doom would make it the perfect shit storm. Clooney by BannthisUcommies	May 8th, 2003 11:40:42 AM
Now thats a show.
Clooney's alright, though I don't look at him and think "Reserve by mortsleam	May 8th, 2003 11:41:09 AM
But as for the rest of 'em...Sue Storm-Richards/Invisible Woman: Charlize Theron. Johnny Storm/Human Torch: Paul Walker. Ben Grimm/Thing: Michael Chiklis. Victor Von Doom: Gary Oldman or Oded Fehr. Alicia Masters: Julianne Moore or Suzy Amis. Mole Man: some fanboy punchline. Cha-cha-boom!
For the cast... by Blue_In_The_Face	May 8th, 2003 11:42:33 AM
Reed Richards: Pierce Brosman, Sue: Meg Ryan (has to work out and let her hair grow), Dr. Doom: John Malchovich (I think I didn't spell it right), Human Torch: The Iceman guy from X2 and for the Thing: Michael Clarke Duncan (if it would be ok to have multi-racial card). Oh, and Artie Lang from the Howard Stern Show as the hot dog vendor in front of the FF building.
some ideas by boohallsmalls	May 8th, 2003 12:02:55 PM
here it is...Clooney as Richards, Janel Maloney (the West Wing) as Sue Richards, Kieran Culkin as Johhny Storm and Brendan Gleeson as the THING. there ya go, talented actors of not neccesarily star stature. and as far as clooney's acting range, just because he isn't usually asked to play different character types, doesn't mean he cant, as seen with his brilliant character turn in O Brother Where Art Thou
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO! Who's gonna be Johnny Blaze, Freddy Pi by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 12:23:38 PM
George Clooney? Please. That guy needs to stick to hack-job romantic comedies and B disaster movies. He can't fucking ACT. If a year or two from now I see "George Clooney is MR FANTASTIC" on a poster with an image of his fucking smirk in a superhero costume, I will vomit. Literally. On the poster. He is that bad.
Goddammit, what happened to Wesley! by GypsyTRobot	May 8th, 2003 12:24:57 PM
Rumors were circulating that Alexis Denisof, Wesley of Buffy and Angel, also the gent who's been dating Alison Hannigan (Willow/American Pie flute girl), was the script writer's first pick to play Reed. + Man I hate Clooney. He's such a fake-ass heart throb, one of these guys held up like Mel Gibson that all women are automatically supposed to swoon after. Ecchh. + as to RZ, I love the doll but she's not superhero material. (you RZ haters should check out Nurse Betty).
The villain should be Galactus by OlafGladNBig	May 8th, 2003 12:34:10 PM
Doctor Doom would be great but I think if you have to explain his origin as well as that of the Fantastic four in one movie you are inevitably losing a lot of time that could be going towards developing a story. Galactus on the other hand could easily be the reason for the origins of their powers, given that cosmic rays from outer space just dont seem to happen all that often on their own. So what the story should include is the Watcher showing up all silent like and Reed Richards figuring out that there is a threat coming from space but no one believes him. So he builds his own ship and takes it up to discover what is going on. Runs into Galactus and the Silver Surfer. Have the Silver Surfer battle their space ship, destroy it and intentionally give them their powers (without Galactus knowing). Galactus arrives on earth and the Silver Surfer defeats the armies that try and attack Galactus. With their new found powers the FF manage to defeat the Silver Surfer but cant touch Galactus. Reed has to invent a device to turn Galactus off of eating the earth. Or something like that.
You know it's true. Clooney as Mr Fantastic will make this the by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 12:39:23 PM
Although, I have to admit that the guy who said he'd make a good Tony Stark has a point. Clooney is a playboy, always will be a playboy, and can seemingly play nothing BUT a playboy. Tony Stark is likewise a playboy. Mr Fantastic is not. He's a scientist, an intellectual, and all things NOT CLOONEY. Unless you've got an absolute GOD of an actor in your hands (ie, Hanks), you have to cast for personality. Looks are secondary. Harry, I know you love to suck Avi's dick and all, but please do it in private. I think we're all getting just a little sick of your gushing. It's as unflattering as your fat ass.
Finally, an FF movie! by Johnny Storm	May 8th, 2003 12:39:43 PM
I've been fucking waiting for this one for years. The Marvel movies just keep getting better and I'm hoping and praying that Hulk will be even better than X2 (which was great).
cast and more by boohallsmalls	May 8th, 2003 12:50:55 PM
the thing should and hopefully will be created using the same technique used to create gollum, its the best way, and the only way it'll work. and if i hear one more person whose never taken acting lesson #1 in their life bashing clooney's acting chops and then suggesting some shit stain like sean williams scott or vin diesel in other roles, Im gonna piss down your throats. just because you don't like clooney because he is better looking and cooler than you are, doesn't make you right.
Head bobbin Clooney by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	May 8th, 2003 12:57:05 PM
Anyone ever catch that Mystery Science Theater summer movie special a few years ago. The had the trailer or a clip from Batman and Robin and did this whole riff on Clooney, directing him - bob, nod, smirk, bob, etc. Funny as hell. They also ripped Jurassic Park 2 with Spielbergs "cast in awe" staring in wide eyed wonder shots. Man I miss those guys.
by Ishkibble	May 8th, 2003 12:59:26 PM

"Yo, Aliciaaaaa, I did it!" by Ishkibble	May 8th, 2003 01:08:06 PM
Who's perfect for Ben? Sly Stallone....got that perfect voice for that kid from Yancy Street. Besides bringing name recognition (what's left of it, that is) he's an Oscar winner. Or go with Bruce Willis. He'd probably do it for fun. Besides he's got voiceover experience-anyone remember the Look Who's Talking series? Everyone's right that Clooney's wrong for Reed--he's got too much of a smirk on his face all the time. I think if Val Kilmer could go back to his Real Geinus days he could play Reed...but he's really Clooney from that era. Use the Superman casting paradigm from the seventies:Cast unknowns for your leads, and a known actor for your villain to draw the crowd. Alan Rickman can project menace with just his voice better than anyone......
AVI ARAD, LISTEN UP!! Count the number of people in here sugges by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 01:19:09 PM
Love the Vin Diesel suggestion for The Thing. WHY? Because he's the CG character. Stay with me here. The rest are CG-affected characters, to be sure, but he's a big orange hunk of rock and sticks out like a sore thumb. You KNOW he's going to be the one to get the most attention, so put your big name star there. Vin Diesel is a spectacular choice not only for the name, and the fact that he's a D&D / comics geek at heart, who would absolutely EAT UP that part, but for his naturally deep voice and fun action-star personality. You gotta cast someone who can pull off "It's clobbering time!" without being akward. So why not put instantly recognizable stars in your other roles? It has ALWAYS worked best to cast lesser-known actors for your more visible superhero roles where the personality isn't already an instant fit. If you don't know the face, you buy the role more easily. Personality is everything; not image. Chris Reeve is the obvious example. Look at most of the cast for X-Men. There are a few minor exceptions such as Xavier. Patrick Stewart as Prof X was a shoe-in not just for the bald head, but because he clearly is able to come off as a disarming and yet thoroughly enigmatic intellectual. So what's this all mean about FF? Don't cast your big-name ham of a star in the Mr Fantastic role. Reed Richards was never a superstar, so casting a superstar is a bad idea. He may be the official team leader, but as the strategist he's not the most visible member of the group. The Thing is. Put your casting money into getting Vin, and cast the others with relative unknowns, and cast for personality.
Reese Witherspoon as Sue Storm. Ralph Fiennes as Doctor Doom. by Uncle Sam	May 8th, 2003 01:20:06 PM
That is all. - I WANT YOU, but not in that way.
THE ROCK as THE THING!!! by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 01:52:52 PM
It had to be said. Please, Avi, I was only kidding. Don't do it.
STAN LEE as MR FANTASTIC!! by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 01:54:40 PM
He's got the hair. He knows the character. He's gonna cameo anyway! Awww, come on.
Okay, by zer0cool2k2	May 8th, 2003 01:55:11 PM
I've been calling for Clooney, Paul Walker and Naomi Watts since we were just fantasy casting this thing months ago. I'd cast Neal McDonough ("Boomtown", Buck in "Band of Brothers") as Ben Grimm. (remember, he's supposed to be a good looking enough guy for Sue to have been torn between him and Reed). And I'd cast Jason Isaacs (Harry Potter's Lucius Malfoy, "Black Hawk Down") as Doom.
ANNA NICOLE SMITH as THE INVISIBLE WOMAN!! by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 01:58:28 PM
"Funny, I can't see her, but fuck if she isn't loud!"
RICHARD SIMMONS as JOHNNY BLAZE!!! by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 01:59:19 PM
Flame on, big boy! Feel the burn!
ROGER COREMAN FF MOVIE by hopefulFANBOY	May 8th, 2003 02:05:22 PM
Anybody ever see that? Is it available? What about thet Captain America Movie with J.D. Salingers son as Cap? Did they even make it to video or did they go directly to Nintendo?
Clooney could play Rene Richards... by PORKY	May 8th, 2003 02:06:41 PM
I hate that no-talent hack. He looks the part, that's it. What a way to ruin a movie.
serious suggestion: No Matt Damon, No Ryan Phillipe... Johnny S by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 02:13:15 PM
Tell me he couldn't play a cocky hothead with a sense of humor and youthful charm. He's perfect.
looking back by boohallsmalls	May 8th, 2003 02:21:07 PM
on my lunch hour I had a chance to drop by B&N and read a bit of the FF #1. I know you comic fans are very protective of your books but this needs an update in a serious way. First off it is campy as hell, casting someone with a little more style and confidence like Clooney is the update Reed Richards needs. Also, there is no way to successfully pull off their transformation the way its done in the comics. We all know way too much about our universe and space travel at this point to buy the whole cosmic rays bit. it wont work. they have to change, probably completely, the only idea that could be kept is that they are change by a failure in one of Richard's experiments, that may or may not be cause by or part and parcel to needless fighting between the good Dr. and Mr. Grimm. oh and as for the whole "Flame on" thing. Yeah, maybe if it were a movie about gay superheros. but not in 21st century america, that shit just wont fly. They gotta make the movie extremely cool to work, and many of the original FF concepts are no longer cool. in fact they are the opposite of cool. But anyway I have faith in Marvel Films, how could a company with such a cool on screen logo go wrong.
off topic, briefly by ErichRino	May 8th, 2003 02:26:16 PM
I like boobies. Boobies are fun. If i had boobies, i'd never leave the house. But even with boobies, i'd want to see H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot in the FF movie.
My Picks by PencilNeckedGeek	May 8th, 2003 02:26:37 PM
Whoever came up with Tim Robbins as Reed is brilliant. That's perfect. Robbins has the ego, the intelligence, and the height to pull it off beautifully. A much better fit than Clooney, who I like too, but it's just not as natural a fit for him. Meg Ryan would be great as Sue. She's the right age to fit with Robbins, and would still look great in a stretchy suit. I'm voting for Vin Diesel as The Thing, although I'm sure he would demand way too much money to deserve it, as has been the case with every movie that's come out with him in it since Fast and Furious made him a star. As for Johnny, with Sue being in her early forties/late thirties, he could easily be as old as his late thirties, although younger would be better. So I'm going with MacAuley Culkin. Kidding. Let's say Heath Ledger as Johnny Storm. Let's say
I agree with FF being updated... by Blue_In_The_Face	May 8th, 2003 02:29:09 PM
It's true what boohallsmalls said about the Human Torch, "Flame On" is great for a gay superhero but not for this movie (By the way, I have no problems with homosexuals). As long as they don't use any Matrix slow motion bullet time crap I will be happy. I wander if the Harry animation will be updated with his fat ass wrapped in a leather Trinity-like matrix costume with his man-boobs squeezed together to form a very disgusting cleavage...I want to throw up now.
by lrmat	May 8th, 2003 02:57:24 PM

hopefulfanboy by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	May 8th, 2003 02:58:41 PM
Bootleg copies of the Roger Corman FF movie are available on Ebay, I've been meaning to order one, but I haven't gotten around to it. I did rent the Captain America movie about 10 years ago, but I don't know if it's still available on video, if you have a Suncoast in your local mall, check with them, they can order almost anything. It wasn't very good though, it was pretty cheesy, and for some reason they made the Red Skull italian, with a "thatsa spicy meatball" accent. However, they did get the costume right.
brundle fly as reed richards by lrmat	May 8th, 2003 02:58:48 PM
i've always pictured jeff goldblum's quirky elongated self as reed richards
A nice cast would be... by j-ryu	May 8th, 2003 02:58:49 PM
Clooney as Reed (William Peterson if he was a bit more fit would be ideal), Heather Locklear or Marg Helgenberger as Sue, James Marsters as Johnny (yeah!), and the voice of Michale Chiklis as Ben. Victor could be played by Anthony Stewart Head. Can you tell that i watch Buffy and CSI?
INCREDIBLE NEWS!!! LEGEND OF ZELDA MOVIE!! by empyreal0	May 8th, 2003 02:59:38 PM
See the trailer here: http://www.360newsnet.com/file dl/misc/zelda.wmv !!
John Goodman is the perfect voice for the Thing by lrmat	May 8th, 2003 03:03:48 PM
nuff said.
My Casting Thoughts by Rayven_seeking	May 8th, 2003 03:06:59 PM
Just some impressions that rose as I was reading the TalkBack: Peter Weller for Reed, perfect. If not him, consider Daniel Day Lewis, who IS a freaking genius. Sue? Milla Jovovich, for sex and brains and violence. Torch? Well, I hate him but he's perfect, Leonardo DeCaprio. Thing... Michael Clark Duncan, who has one of the best voices in movies today. And the dear Dr. Doom? PATRICK STEWART. Face it, Doom has many many lame lines, as did Picard. Who else can bring any sort of authority or majesty to those villanous gloats and curses? Just a thought...
Hear me out by Darth Brooks	May 8th, 2003 03:07:39 PM
Okay, Clooney as Reed, Reese Witherspoon (now that she's looking like the 30-side of her 20's) as Sue Storm, Paul Walker as The Human Torch (with Reese, a nice Pleasantville reunion) and... wait for it ... Dennis Haysbert as Ben Grimm. Think of the voice. I'm telling you, it would work.
Let's just round up the LOTR cast by zer0cool2k2	May 8th, 2003 03:11:53 PM

Let's just round up the LOTR cast by zer0cool2k2	May 8th, 2003 03:14:22 PM
and they can all get another tattoo together.................... Viggo can be Mr. Fantastic.........Blanchett as Sue........................... .. Orlando Bloom as the Torch.................. and Sean Bean as Benjamin J. Grimm...................... McKellan can notch another Marvel villian in his belt as Dr. Doom.......................... .................
He ruined Batman... by Breck	May 8th, 2003 03:23:34 PM
...and now they are going to let him slaughter the FF. Clooney doesn't resemble Reed Richards in any way -- mind or body. And the only movie he was any good in, where he became the character and not vice versa, was "O' Brother Where Art Though?"
FF Cast by Stranger87	May 8th, 2003 03:37:27 PM
I don't like George Clooney as Richard Reeds. I was thinking someone like Vince Vaughn, but I dunno. As for Sue Storm I think Naomi Watts is a perfect choice. Please, nobody say Paul Walker for The Human Torch. That is such a bad choice. I think someone like Eric Johnson, who played Whitney on the first season of "Smallville" would be a good choice. And whoever said Billy Bob Thornton for The Thing is an idiot (no offense, but Billy Bob Thornton? in the Fantastic Four movie??). Someone I think would be very good in the role is Tom Sizemore (Saving Private Ryan, We Were Soldiers, stars on Robbery Homicide Division). He could make a good Ben Grimm/Thing I think.
Casting for FF my ideas by anm8r	May 8th, 2003 04:26:17 PM
Paul Walker for Johnny Storm Naomi Watts for Sue Storm John C Reily was a good pick for the Thing, I would agree. Ralph Fiennes for Reed Richards or his brother Joseph Fiennes. They look more like Reed from the comics. IMHO anm8rjp
Well, so much for my concerns about Stretcho, Matchstick, Susie by Rufus_T_Firefly	May 8th, 2003 04:27:58 PM

Tom Sizemore as Thing is a great idea by anm8r	May 8th, 2003 04:28:59 PM
Tom Sizemore as Thing is a great idea. Naomi Watts, is a lot better choice than squinty eyed Renee Z. And she is a lot hotter. Have any of you seen Mullholland Drive?
Reed and Sue's May to December romance. by Desk	May 8th, 2003 04:35:44 PM
Reed Richards was the original cradle-robber, meeting Sue Storm when she was just a little girl, and he was a student lodging with her parents. Meg Ryan and Marg Helgenberger are fine actresses, but it needs to be someone much younger in the role. At the same time, Sue needs to be of an age where she's an adoptive mother to her wilful young, teenage brother, Johnny. Mid-to-late twenties at the oldest.
LOL...if they really were making a Zelda flick, I always wanted by Terry_1978	May 8th, 2003 04:41:33 PM
Don't know why, just did. It'd be his LOTR, to an extent.
Ben Grimm / Thing by IAmBent	May 8th, 2003 04:55:33 PM
Ben Grimm aka the Thing is a fly-boy with an attitude, especially after turning orange. The only actor who could convincingly play both Grimm and the voice over for a CGI Thing is...Michael Ironside. Listen to his voice over for Sam Fisher on Splinter Cell.
FLAME ON! by cap'n tightpants	May 8th, 2003 05:04:44 PM
what about spike from buffy as johnny? he's got nothing to do now. and chiklis as the thing is sooooooooooooo good it hurts. i like vince vaughn as reed also Stranger87. he just has to get some sleep and get rid of the bags he always seems to have under his eyes. screw george clooney! he already had his superhero opportunity. unless we want reed richards to bust out his fantastic four credit card in the movie (remember the batman credit card?). "never leave home without it."
Johnny Storm should be played by... by wally64	May 8th, 2003 05:07:34 PM
Owen Wilson! He's go the right attitude and look for it. Not to mention he is funny, Johnny should be funny you know.
No one's got a good casting idea for Doom? by Vincent Gecko	May 8th, 2003 05:13:15 PM
How's about Star Wars' David Prowse? I mean, sure he's old but there would be tons of special effects for his powers anyway. And others could be cast as his voice and face a la Jedi. Really, what other character has the screen presence to match Dr. Doom other than Darth Vader himself?
James Marsters by wally64	May 8th, 2003 05:13:28 PM
Hmmm thats a good one I didn't think about. The accent he has is fake, so he could pull it off
Corman's fantastic four can be found..... by originalskoobx	May 8th, 2003 05:29:07 PM
on Kazaa.
Grimloch by cap'n tightpants	May 8th, 2003 05:29:26 PM
why do you hate?
Did some schmuck just blame Clooney for "Batman and Robin"? by slone13	May 8th, 2003 05:32:42 PM

Agree with that guy who said Jeremy Irons as Doom by Knobules	May 8th, 2003 05:38:23 PM
His voice is great for that and he has the weathered I can be psycho dickhead look about him when he wants. I think Brittany Spears as Sue Storm and David Hassellhoff as the arrogant prick they all gang up on and blow up just for the hell of it. Mmmm. this 12 pack is almost gone.
clooney partly to blame for "b&r" by cap'n tightpants	May 8th, 2003 05:57:18 PM
damn straight i hold george clooney partly to blame for the horror that is "batman & robin." rest assured that i agree that the majority of the blame resides squarely in joel schumacher's corner. however george clooney was THE WORST batman of the three actors to portray him. he didn't even alter his voice slightly between the two characters. "hi freeze, i'm batman." hey isn't that bruce wayne dressed up like batman, it sounds just like him. he should have used some lines from ER in the movie, it couldn't have made it any worse. "20 cc's of justice STAT!"
Again: Clooney Is All Wrong For Reed Richards, But Perfect For I by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 05:59:08 PM
Clooney is emphatically NOT Reed Richards, and could RUIN any chance for a great Fantastic Four movie (and thus franchise), whereas he would make a GREAT Tony Stark/Iron Man (and would get to be the only star, along with the technology, action, and effects. Go read the Iron Man comics and see. Read the ones done by Jim Starlin in the 1980s. They are the best, primo Iron Man. Also check out the Avengers comics during the period where they were drawn George Perez, also during the 1980s. Shows Iron Man in a leadership role, and his battles and rivalry with Captain America to be leader of the Avengers.).********8Tom Hanks would be the much bigger star draw, but Tim Robbins would be just as great as Reed Richards. Richards is not some dark, smug hunk (like many of Clooney's characters). He is a fatherly, moral man, an aloof super-genius, and a leader. Think "Father Knows Best" with the mind of an Einstein, who is also a hero and a leader. Tim Robbins would kill in the role. Tom Hanks would be great. George Clooney is all wrong. It would be bad if Clooney was involved in another failed, heavy budget superhero movie that pissed off fans. Find another actor and other stars for this movie other than Clooney. *********Instead, MOST DEFINITELY put him into an IRON MAN film ASAP. He was born to play this guy: Tony Stark, millionaire playboy, alcoholic, technology expert, hero. IRON MAN could be a great movie, if done right, and is a perfect movie for Clooney. Tony Stark and Clooney were made for each other. He could even get Julia Roberts to play one of Stark's main babes: Bethany McCabe (check out those Starlin IRON MAN comics that I suggested for a gander at this fictional honey).
Regarding David Prowse As A Dr.Doom Suggestion by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 06:09:09 PM
I have already suggested Anthony Hopkins, but I suspect that people do not want to go much older for Doom because he needs to be somewhere in the ballpark as Reed Richards age. If you are going to go older, why not then the masterful and malevolent Christopher Lee? He was unreal as Count Dooku: malevolent, patrician, dangerous, commanding. Hell of a voice and hell of a physical presence. In any case, if they can not go older and go with Lee or Hopkins, I am at a bit of a loss as to who to cast. A deep, commanding voice, a threatening and powerful physical presence, the carriage of a king and the demeanor of a megalomaniac. Look to great Shakespearean actors, perhaps. As far as film actors go, some have mentioned Ralph Fiennes, others have mentioned Gary Oldman. Fiennes looks, but is rather reserved in his roles. Oldman has the power and the ability to project (look at his explosive performance in The Professional), but seems a bit too eccentric to me to play Doom. Any thoughts?
How about nobody? No movie on the Fantastic Four. None. Nada. Sk by :-o	May 8th, 2003 06:10:43 PM
Original ideas? Anyone?
Not Clooney - - make it Brad Pitt by Darth Brooks	May 8th, 2003 06:15:24 PM
"I want you to stretch me as hard as you can." And I'd pay cash money to see Helena Bonham Carter as Sue Storm. Cigarette and all. Jeez - I think I have something here: Meatloaf IS The Thing! and Edward Norton as the Human Torch! It - Just - Might - WORK !!!!!
Ironside as Grimm - Brilliant by TriMister	May 8th, 2003 06:15:34 PM

clooney as MR. "F" HMMM..... by LUCIFER_HAWK	May 8th, 2003 06:19:07 PM
ol' george is ok just as long as he doesn't wobble his head likje he did in the last(worst) batman movie. DC blew it with the last batman and superman flicks. now the ball is in marvel's court. and the verdict is "FUCKING GOOD!!" first BLADE,X-MEN,SPIDERAMN,DAREDEVI L AND NOW X2 AND THE BIG GREEN GUY IN CGI.. they are on a roll, hey who needs comics since we can see the real deal..keep em coming stan. EXCELSIOR!!!
Fantastic Four casting by mrfan	May 8th, 2003 06:20:26 PM
How about... Reed Richards---Dennis Quaid Susan Storm------Charlene Theron Ben Grimm-------- Tom Sizemore Johnathan Storm---Ryan Philalepe (sorry, cannot spell) That's my picks. At least today. Probably change by tonight.
poor David Prowse will get confused by cap'n tightpants	May 8th, 2003 06:21:22 PM
if he were cast as Doom, he wouldn't know whether to sign his name "David Prowse is Darth Vader" or "David Prowse is Doctor Doom" when giving autographs.
Vin Diesel can't act when we SEE his face... by BuckyKatt	May 8th, 2003 06:27:27 PM
-- are people hinestly saying we will be able to read the bitterness and pathos that the Thing has towards the others (Sue excepted)? He hates Reed for turning him into theis, well, Thing, even if it wasn't Reed's fault. And he hates him for not being able to 'cure' him. That's key to the whole character and what would make him a great film character. And he hates Johnny because TOrch can't take anything seriously and needles him incessently. He has no patience for the kid. (At least when I used to read the comic, admittedly a long time ago). And Deisel, who can't really act, is gonna carry all that -- by just his voice acting. Probably not. As much as they don't fit the human Ben Grimm, Gandolfini and Reilly are closer to the mark.
I agree with you, :-o by BuckyKatt	May 8th, 2003 06:40:54 PM
It'd be nice to see the Industry embrace original stuff as much as they do other people's ideas (like with comics) or remakes (like the 100% shitty idea for redoing Wild Bunch). But if they think they have a built in audience for a property (and they do here, to an extent), they get a hard-on. Plus, following trends is the biggest trend there is in Hollywood. Comics will keep going until the equivelent of Superman: The Quest for Peace comes out again. But while they're doing this 1) I'll enjoy it while I can and 2) hope they at least do a better than average job.
Regarding The Several Casting Ideas For Ben Grimm: Chicklis, Gan by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 07:01:49 PM
As I have been going through this talkback, much of the discussion is about the Clooney/Reed Richards casting matter, but some other poster has suggested that Ben Grimm/The Thing is really going to end up being the star of the show, and I think that they may be right. Reed Richards is sort of the anchor character, Sue Storm is a bit of cheesecake, Johnny Storm is for the teenies girls to like, but Ben Grimm as the Thing is an outcast who is also a big loveable lug that is made out of orange rock and can throw cars around. He is the break-out star of the comic, and should be the break out star of the Fantastic Four movie, if it is done right. Just as the X-Men movie wisely focused on Wolverine as the main hero (but did not fail to use the other major X-Men), so a Fantastic Four movie should probably focus on the Thing as the main hero, albeit a different kind of one than Wolverine. The Thing is both a tragic figure and a funny, likeable guy, who uses humor to mask his pain. He's a good-natured troll, a tortured figure who rises above by being a salt-of-the -earth guy. He's a hero. He's also a big, rocky, orange creature with extraordinary strength. Reed Richards might be the brains of the Fantastic Four, but Ben Grimm is the wise-cracking heart.****With that said, it may be that the casting and the portrayal of Ben Grimm/The Thing may make or break this movie. I think that a lot of people have made a number of intelligent statements about casting Ben Grimm. I am not certain who should play Ben Grimm. I think it needs to me someone who can do gravelly, New Yawk voice. I thin it is someone who can do comedy, be a bit light-hearted, yet also tough. Someone who is can be gruff, but likeable. What actor can do this?**Some have mentioned Tom Sizemore. Sizemore is a good actor who has the sound and the attitude for The Thing, but maybe not the comedic ability and the likeability. He seems to have the inner aspect that gets him cast as villains. Tough, but maybe not likeable. **Others have mentioned James Gandolfini. Gandolfini is a phenomenonal actor, but I wonder if he can do the comedic aspect as well. Is Gandolfini too serious an actor to play the rocky orange Thing? If he is willing to have some fun, and play a different kind of character, I think that maybe he could manage that aspect to the character.***Some have mentioned Michael Chicklis. I understand that he is great in the Shield, plays a real tough guy, a bad cop. Never saw the acclaimed show. Did see an episode or two of the Commish. The guy can play likeable, the guy can play funny. If the word on the Shield is true, and I am sure it is, then the guy sure as hell can play tough. Maybe Chicklis is the right choice by this logic.**Others have mentioned Vin Diesel. In terms of the star power, he is the obvious choice. This is not Hamlet, this is a big, bold superhero movie. Diesel has got a great voice, and a natural exuberance. He's a real New Yorker, like Ben Grimm. And, he is, in fact, an old comic book and D+D geek, like many of us here. Maybe Vin Diesel is right for this role. I can imagine him happily yelling out "It's Clobberin' Time!" without being embarrassed. I am not sure such a serious acting talent as Gandolfini would feel as free to do so.*There have been other suggestions, John C.Reilly, Michael Ironside, Bruce Willis. Ironside is good, but very similar to Sizemore in terms of likeability, comedy, etc. I would say Willis and Reilly have voices that are not deep and gravelly enough, and would sound kind of high coming out of a rocky, orange, CGI Thing (although Willis sure has star power to burn, is plenty New Yawk himself, and can do the comedic thing, as well as the fighter jock bluster that Ben Grimm has. Maybe they could rough up his voice with gravelly sound effects, but then what's the point of getting Willis if you can't recognize Willis' voice, and you never see his face? The Thing is mainly voice casting).**Finally, someone smartly made the point that The Thing should be shot the same way that Gollum was done: with the actor providing the whole characterization: the voice, the expressions, and the movements, which will be used as a basis for the CGI artists to create the features for. In the case of The Thing, this means a lot of tough guy talk, stunt fighting, and such. The Thing fights like a boxer and a street brawler from Yancy Street, who has the strength to hurl cabs and use lamp-posts as baseball bats. Who can do tough phsyical stunt work, the gravelly voice, the comedy, the likeability, and so forth? *****As much as I would have initially preferred to see Gandolfini in this role, I have to give it up to Vin Diesel. Vin Diesel can do all of that. He's a bit young for the pre- transformation Ben Grimm (maybe they can CGI alter him a bit, make him look a bit more mature for the brief scenes prior to him becoming the Thing), but he can play the hot-shot jet pilot, a guy who uses jokes and his blue-collar New Yawk persona to cover up his smarts and his pain, etc. He's definitely got the gravel voice. He's the least likely to sound silly yelling "It's Clobberin' Time!" from amongst this group. And, the final nail in the coffin for the other contenders, I think: Vin Diesel is a star, and he's a young star. He's a big draw for the popular, trendy, young audiences. He's a big draw for the kids, and kids LOVE the Thing. [Trust me, when I was a kid, I loved the Thing too, and so did all my friends (the Thing was fun and cool, basically. A big rocky, orange guy who cracked jokes and lifted tractor trailers. Just cool.)]. Lastly, the guy is truly a comic book fan and closet geek. He may not be hardcore geek, but he's one of us, for God's sake. He's right for this role. Let's give it to him, if we can.
Furthermore On The Thing by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 07:21:12 PM
At the end of my last post, I meant to right "he SEEMS right for this role". I am open to other possible considerations for the Thing. I realize that Vin Diesel might not have the acting chops to play Ben Grimm's pain and resentment in all it's complexity, but again, this is not Hamlet. This is going to be a big, bold superhero movie. Granted, if it is going to be anything other than an empty roller-coaster ride, it will have to effectively portray Ben Grimm;s real pain, his resentment of Reed Richard's for getting him into the situation that turned him into the Thing, and for being unable to transfrom him back to his normal humanity. The Thing is, apprently, the heart and soul of the FF, I think, the tragic figure, but the movie doesn't work if it's just the Thing samshing stuff, and not relating to Reed, Johnny, and Sue. Given the dramatic considerations, my choice originally leaned heavily towards James Gandolfini. He clearly can do the pain and the pathos of Ben Grimm. But can he do the humor, the fun, and the light-heartedness, that is also so much a part of the Thing? The action, the wise-cracks, the heart? He is a very good actor; he proabably can. But can you ever imagine James Gandolfini yelling "It's Clobberin'TIme!" with Ben Grimm's obvious joy and exuberance? I am not sure I can. So, I am initially inclined towards James Gandolfini, a real actor who could portray Ben Grimm internally, and Vin Diesel, an exuberant action star who seems that he could play Ben Grimm externally.
Tim Robbins?!?!? Sit yer ass down! by Vanadium	May 8th, 2003 07:33:44 PM
Clooney is the best choice for Reed....as an avid FF fan since I was a wee little prick...I think he can bring in the non-FF crowd (ie. women). And when is it so hard for a cool guy to play a dork? Besides, I don't want to see Reed Richards as a complete geek. He was brilliant, but he did have that sweet piece of inviso-ass...Sue Storm ( who MUST be played by Naomi Watts....shafted by the Academy for her BRILLIANT work in Mullholland Drive....don't start with me). Anyone can play Johnny Storm....as far as Ben Grimm....there have been some interesting names...Willis would be cool but too much $$$...Gandolfini would make it too Sicilian....Thing would be looking for his "gabagoo" I can't think of any....but I do like Michael Wincott as Dr. Doom....Gary Oldman is too psychotic for the brilliant Doom. Ralph Fiennes is another excellent choice. Harry...chime in here and give us some ideas, ya big lug.
have reed be younger than johnny, that is wacky! by cap'n tightpants	May 8th, 2003 08:22:12 PM
considereding that matthew lillard was born in 1970, and noah wyle in 1971. noah wyle is an interesting choice though. i could see it, but everyone else will probably feel he is too young. i still like james marsters for johnny. i was looking up how old he is on IMDB, and they listed 1962 as his birth year. damn spike looks pretty good for a 41 year old! maybe he really is a vampire...
To Shade by Barron34	May 8th, 2003 08:28:30 PM
Listen, Clooney has made some bad films, some real shit-bombs, pardon my French (the explosively shitty Batman and Robin, undoubetdly, the worst superhero movie EVER MADE). Th eguy is hardly inafallible, and to repeat, he is WRONG FOR THE ROLE, regardless of how good the script is or isn't. For reasons why he is WRONG FOR THE ROLE, please go back and read some of my earlier posts (where you see I enthusiastically talk Clooney up for the role of Tony Stark/IRON MAN, for which Clooney is perfect). Miscast is miscast. Regarding Gandolfini, he is an excellent actor, and he is one of my leading choices for the role of Ben Grimm, but he stood out in The Mexican because The Mexican was another turd of a movie! Again, like Clooney, Gandolfini is not infallible when choosing roles; The Mexican was a bomb of a movie! So, just because Clooney or anyone else is interested in this movie does not mean that it has a good script. At some point, Clooney was interested in the script for Batman and Robin. What makes you trust his judgment now? Regardless, I HOPE it is a good script, but I have no idea whether it is unless I read it or unless I hear an opinion on it from someone whose judgement and analysis I trust, and even then I am placing no bets until I see the final product myself. In sum, Clooney is WRONG FOR THE ROLE of Reed Richards. Tim Robbins or Tom Hanks instead (see my prior posts). Cast Clooney as IRON MAN. 'Nuff Said (sorry for all the bad words earlier in the post).
These casting suggestions by FimbulWinter	May 8th, 2003 08:49:12 PM
Are kind of cool. I don't like Harry's though. John C Reilly is a fine actor but a cliched choice for Grimm. Chiklis would be just perfect - PERFECT! I like Clooney but Reed is the frickin' Wonder Bread of the Marvel Universe. George has too much "brood" to him for this. I can't say I have a better suggestion since I've spent about 10 seconds thinking about it but maybe Guy Pearce? (if he doesn't play Gambit in X3!). At first suggestion I though Zellweger was in interesting and workable choice and I like her but that sour-puss just doesn't work. Where the hell is Donna Reed when you need her!!!??? :) Naomi Watts was an excellent, near perfect suggestion though. Damon is wrong as Johnny. He could pull it off but I don't know - he's too short or something. Paul Walker not bad choice for that either but I'm sure they could get by with a lesser name that had the same look as Paul W - or they could go with.....LEONARDO! Reed is the toughest and probably most pivotal choice though. Needs to be able to "carry" things so to speak. Clooney would be A+ perfect as Tony Stark or Steranko Nick Fury though so they shouldn't waste him with this. Psyched the FF is coming though. Harry's good suggestion was setting this in the 60's though and keeping the original vibe.
Ultimate FF picks by MadnessTheMonk	May 8th, 2003 09:32:52 PM
Mr Fantastic: I would like to say Clooney or maybe Richard Gear cause they pull off the look. But ultimately i see Reed as none other than Tom Hanks Sue, invis woman: Hmmm tough one, depends how they want to portray her. My pick Heather Locklear Jonny, Human Torch: None other than Owen Wilson. He fits it perfectly. Thing: The voice of sylvester Stalone. Come on, him saying "Its Clobberin Time: would be awesome. Dr DOOM: So many interesting choice but i personnally would like to see either of these two, flip a coin. Kenneth Branaugh or Malcom McDowell
VING RHAMES IS THE THING by Lil Ze	May 8th, 2003 09:36:57 PM
Don't get it twisted. All of the qualities Ben Grimm posses are Ving Rhames. The violence, comedic, tragedy. All of those traits are Ving Rhames. VING RHAMES IS THE THING. Scrap that Vin Diesel choice. Vin is good and effective but he is not the man for this. Sizemore and Gandolfini are just big men. If the thing is gonna be CGI, it really doesn't matter how big Ben Grimm is. And I'm sure the studio isn't going to be that faithful to the script. That's why I like the Gary Sinise suggestion more than Gandolfini or Sizemore, but Ving Rhames is in a class of his own for this particular role. Not for his build that's just a bonus.
Hulk Hogan as Tony Stark: by Vanadium	May 8th, 2003 09:39:05 PM
"Pour me another, brother..." Man, never get's old... Hey LewisBlack....I like that Rickman idea....I forgot about him....he's a badass actor....you know who else would be cool as Dr. Doom....Jurgen Prochnow....he's got an accent..looks evil and smart....
No disrespect to anyone, BUT by Ribbons	May 8th, 2003 10:52:40 PM
What does George Clooney have that makes him so viable as Mr. Fantastic? I'm not necessarily saying he wouldn't be able to pull it off, but as soon as people begin musing on possible Fantastic Four casts, they immediately gravitate towards George Clooney. What is it about the guy? He's well-educated and has graying hair for a (relatively) young man, to be sure. However, his personality seems to be antithetical to that of a Mr. Fantastic. Am I missing something? By the way, for my money, whoever gets that role has the hardest performance to give, so they better be damn good and right for the part. If Avi and you guys are so keen on Clooney, then you probably see something that I don't. I'd just like to hear where other people are coming from on this.
My Picks by fantasticx	May 8th, 2003 10:58:30 PM
Just wanted to throw my choices in after seeing all the suggestions...some good thoughts have been posted on this topic... Reed-Clooney...I've always wanted Cloony to play Reed Sue-Naomi Watts is the best choice I've heard on the list Johnny-I was actually thinking David Anders from Alias...y'know Sark? But Matt Damon is a nice choice too. Ben- Whoever suggested Hank Azaria, I think he'd be perfect. He's an incredibly flexible actor and I think this would be right up his alley. Doom- Ralph Fiennes was the best one I heard and would fit well in George's age group.
The Perfect Cast by Fernwick_	May 9th, 2003 12:01:35 AM
If you look at the post dates I said Tim Robbins as Reed first though I hear that Harry thought that first. I just remember sitting in that Space movie has in and thinking My GOD THAT is REED RICHARDS! I told that too my wife and she just went "huh" since you would have to be a geek to understand... Jennifer Connelly can act and would match better age wise for Robbins (even though she isnt blonde. I cant believe im saying this but the THING MUST have a deep gruff voice and of all the actors mentioned Vin Diesel is perfect voice wise also. For Johnny any young smart ass blonde kid would do, personally I like ICE MAN from X2 and for Dr Doom he must be near the same age as Tim Robbins also intelligent, classy, Euro kind of Guy and handsome (if you read the comix) so I would say Ray Fiennes or just for the sake of nuttyness Christopher Walken!!!! Any thoughts? Make mine Marvel! Fernwick
FF4 Dream Cast by RBLong3	May 9th, 2003 12:23:23 AM
Ok, Clooney certainly looks the part and definitely has the talent for Reed Richards (Batman not withstanding), but let's try a twist. How about Tom Hanks as RR, Sharon Stone as Sue, Orlando Bloom as Johnny, and Michael Clark Duncan as Ben. That would be a Dream Cast for a Marvel flick. I think that eventually, the "Serious Actors" will be cast in one of the greatest "Geek Boy Movie" eras ever.
There ARE numerous actors who could pull off Reed Richards quite by JDanielP	May 9th, 2003 01:26:34 AM

Damn you buckykatt! by NNNOOO!!!	May 9th, 2003 01:27:31 AM
You beat me to "All-Bruce"! Following other topics: Clooney's got a way with the gray and in a youth-obsessed market that's important. I initially thought Tim Robbins was too baby-faced but I think he could do more with the psychology of the character. Robbins could also play Reed with a proper degree of bemusement. Sue? Nobody's said Julianne Moore yet. Again, it's about her ability to play a character that's initially recessive but who possesses extraordinary strength and power. Johnny? I can't believe i'm saying this but Hayden Christensen. All that whiny-snot hot-head behavior was totally out of place in CLONES, but here? Still mulling it over-- I realize my ideas are skewing older. Ben. All you kids saying "just get a voice and make it CGI" are simplifying things terribly. There has to be an actor in there somewhere, a face behind the makeup, a hand in the puppet. Mr. Soprano is too full of himself right now to hide his ugly mug, so he's out. Chiklis may be the best idea, but whoever they get I would prefer the Thing as a live-cation effect instead of animation. Well, while I'm dreaming, how 'bout that DARK KNIGHT RETURNS? I'll take Paul Newman as Old Bruce, Jeremy Irons as Joker, and (think about it) Stallone as Clark. Psst... Lucy Lawless IS She-Hulk...
Jim Carey should do it by B166ER	May 9th, 2003 01:47:44 AM
I agree with everybody on George doing Iron Man, that would be dead-on casting. But let's face the facts, Jim Carey would do an awesome job as Mr. Fantastic. Don't let his mediocre movies like the Mask or the Majestic cloud your senses to what he may be capable of here. If he played the part like he did in The Truman show he would be fine. Plus, the guy is a human rubberband!!! He's physically able to do some of the stuff Reed can do. Could you imagine the special effects added on to his on screen antics?? He could do the character in his sleep. As for Ben, give it Gandolfini, he's the best choice. I don't know who the torch should be, make it an unknown. Sue should be played by that blond actress that was in the Majestic, I forgot her name but you know who I'm talking about.
My Perfect Cast: Reed=John Cusack, Sue=Gwyneth Paltrow(Now she's by The Founder	May 9th, 2003 02:39:14 AM
Bruce willis is way to pricey for the thing. I like the suggestion of Paltrow as Sue, now she never crossed my mind, but she would be an excellant choice. Dr. Doom is Gary Oldman, but Hugo Weaving is pretty cool as well. oh well we'll all have to wait and see what FOX does.
THE POST TO END ALL POSTS! by PacinoHatersGoHo	May 9th, 2003 02:52:32 AM
Pamela Anderson as Sue Storm, cast Tommy Lee as Reed (jazz things up a bit), Jim Carrey as Johnny Storm, and the CGI Hulk in a rubber "Thing-suit" as the Thing! Featuring your favorite every-man and mine, Bruce Campbell as a wise-cracking, smart-alecky Dr. Doom. Doom: "Well, with a name like Doom my career as an antique dealer was headed for the slumps. And once I constructed my first Ultron out of a plate and an old oil-lamp people stopped coming..."
Why isn't anyone commenting on "The Flash's" New Movie Opening T by Hovitos2k	May 9th, 2003 03:31:13 AM
How did DC's scarlett speedster end up on the big screen and No One notice? And Eddie Murphy is in it too!!! This truly is the Marvel Age of Movies. Excelsior!!!
Which RSC cut-out villain will be Doom? by AggregateScore	May 9th, 2003 05:59:32 AM
Will it be Jeremy Irons, or Alan Rickman, or Gary Oldman, or Jason Isaacs, or Tim Roth, or Terrence Stamp, or ... etc.------------- I think they should get a move on with bringing Larry Olivier back out of his retirement. hmmm
Grrrrrr..... by Telaempino	May 9th, 2003 06:09:10 AM

well, i've read all the talkbacks and THIS would seem the ULTIMA by mansep	May 9th, 2003 06:27:07 AM
George Clooney as Reed - not a spot on choice visually, Reed should be quite slim already (like Brosnan), but i think he'd pull it off, as well as pulling in the punters, and he'd look like the leader of the team........ Naomi Watts as Sue - absolutely spot on. Zellwegger wouldn't be a good pairing with Clooney, no chemistry, but Watts would be dynamite........ Paul Walker as Johnny - looks the part and that's the main thing........ which leads me to Billy Bob Thornton as the Thing - this chameleon like actor can do both the voice and the pre-change Ben Grimm....... i can see the poster now, CLOONEY centre, WALKER on his right and WATTS by his left, with the Thing standing behind them all. That WOULD be effing COOOOL!!!!!
FORGET CASTING, IT`S A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY THAT PEYTON REED I by chien_sale	May 9th, 2003 07:09:00 AM
Seriously. What gave him the credentials to do such a great concept like Fantastic Four? WAS IT BRING IT ON? The stupidity of Avi Arad never ceases to amaze me. People are whining about crap directors like McG and Ratner doing Superman even this is as worst. About Clooney, to tell you the truth, he is a great talent that would be perfect for a lot of role from Mr. Fantastic, Ironman, Nick Fury, Batman, Green Lantern-Hal Jordan...even Plastic man. He wouldn`t be my first choice as Reed(since George is no intelectual) but he can do it. And well. In my dreams he would be doing 60s cool Nick Fury, The Wild Bunch meets Bond directed by David Twohy. Jim Belushi is Ben Grim.
Screw your casting...Peyton Reed will destroy this before it has by simongarth2001	May 9th, 2003 08:16:30 AM
Peyton Reed....???? Mother of creatures great and small,...WHY??? What has he done to show the suits he can handle a big budget monster like FF? If this film isn't handled with Extreme care, it'll be a joke! Can Reed do action? Not that I know of. Can Reed do Drama? mmmmmm....Not sure. Comedy? uh....If bring it on was a comedy, then my left nut is a cousin to gunga dinn. Avi Arad has called this film a sort of "comedy" from the very beginning. It is obvious that, in choosing a director with NO proven skills in this genre or anything remotly like it, he does not understand the Fantastic Four. I'd like to hear Reed's plans for all these questions. This will be Marvels undoing. Avi was saying how fans are now applauding when they see that Marvel logo before a film...........This film, if screwed up, will change that applaude to fits of snickering and laughter. Just shoot me now.............
Here we go..........USA TODAY..... by simongarth2001	May 9th, 2003 08:21:18 AM
Peyton Reed Talks More Fantastic Four Thursday, May 8, 2003 11:23 CDT The USA Today talked to "Down with Love" director Peyton Reed about his upcoming adaptation of the Fantastic Four comics at 20th Century Fox... The superhero team features teen Johnny Storm as the Human Torch, sister Sue as the Invisible Girl, Reed Richards as Mr. Fantastic and hothead Ben Grimm as the Thing. "It has this dysfunctional-family element to it," Reed says. "The things that made the comic revolutionary 40 years ago are taken for granted now. That they are heroes with personal problems. They fight crime but can't pay the rent." This week, Marvel Studios chief Avi Arad announced a release date, Nov. 4, 2004, although 20th Century Fox says that's premature. There's no cast yet, and another in a line of writers, Mark Frost of Twin Peaks fame, is redoing the script. Says Reed, "Mark is going to do something interesting with it. You have to, because there are so many comic-book movies out there." "cant pay the rent???????!!!!!!....thats spiderman!!!!!! The FF live in a the Damn Baxter building, funded by reeds inventions!!!! They can pay the whole city of New Yorks rent for petes sake!!!!!!!!!! This is screwed people.
Ray Feines is Doom by Ray Von	May 9th, 2003 08:29:18 AM
Just watch The English patient (if you can bear it), Schindlers list and even Red Dragon to see what I mean. Theron for Sue Storm. Sizemore for Grimm. That nob from American Pie or Ryan Phillipe for the torch. Nuff said true believers!
Casting by Jericho70	May 9th, 2003 08:47:25 AM
George Clooney is an appropriate choice for Mr. Fantastic, but Renee Zelwegger and Matt Damon are completely wrong. John C. Reilly would be good as the Thing, but there is one person who could do it better. Here's which actors should play these parts (in no particular order): SUE STORM/INVISIBLE GIRL Charlize Theron, Naomi Watts, Charlotte Ross (NYPD BLUE), Poppy Montgomery (WITHOUT A TRACE). JOHNNY STORM/HUMAN TORCH James Van Der Beek BEN GRIMM/THE THING Bruce Willis (just imagine the voice of Bruce Willis on a CGI Thing screaming, "It's clobberin' time!") DR. DOOM Ralph Fiennes, Gary Oldman, Jason Issacs
OWEN FUCKING WILSON AS JOHNNY STORM?!!!! by Steve Rogers	May 9th, 2003 09:19:11 AM
That has got to be some kind of cosmically bad joke. First of all he's a decade too old (at LEAST) and secondly he has a face like a horse's ass. Johnny Storm is a young heart-throb pin-up type, adored by girls all over the world. Owen Wilson has a nose like a slalom ski course. Plus he always plays the same laid-back Zen-type character (i.e. himself) in every movie, which is not Johnny Storm. Don't get me wrong I like the guy's work and enjoy his movies, but he is ALL WRONG for The Torch. Johnny is like Leonardo DiCaprio in the real world, in fact Leo, who isn't a teenager but does at least LOOK young, wouldn't be a bad choice for Johnny if the movie could avoid be dwarfed by his celebrity baggage. the same for Clooney, who is great in the right role, but who I don't think would ring true as Reed.
by IAmBent	May 9th, 2003 10:00:41 AM
Why would anyone even consider an actor for this role that can not also do the voice for the Thing? I guess Vin Diesel would be alright, but they aren't going to cast that many big dollar actors. Besides, Vin wants to STAR, not be in an ensemble. Only TriMister saw the brillance or casting Michael Ironside in this role. Not only is he Ben Grimm, but would be fantastic as the voice of the Thing. I can hear him now, shouting, in that wonderful growling, gravel voice: "It's clobbering time!"
Grimm/Thing Casting: I'll say it once more... by IAmBent	May 9th, 2003 10:03:04 AM
Why would anyone even consider an actor for this role that can not also do the voice for the Thing? I guess Vin Diesel would be alright, but they aren't going to cast that many big dollar actors. Besides, Vin wants to STAR, not be in an ensemble. Only TriMister saw the brillance or casting Michael Ironside in this role. Not only is he Ben Grimm, but would be fantastic as the voice of the Thing. I can hear him now, shouting, in that wonderful growling, gravel voice: "It's clobbering time!"
Props out to IAmBent by TriMister	May 9th, 2003 11:20:22 AM
straight up.
Forget the casting for a minute... by secondbanana	May 9th, 2003 11:22:07 AM
From what I have been reading about the movie I am really doubtful anyone will be able to pull this movie off sucessfully. A comedy? Sure FF had it's disfunctional family aspects but it is a cool action save the world kind of story at it's heart. As much as I dreamed of seeing the FF in a realistic movie world I now think it should never be made. This is going to be a disaster! Whoever is involved they are not going to be able to get the tone right. Only Mc G might be able to pull it off, he would be much better trying FF rather than Superman
ROBERT PATRICK AS RICHARDS!!! by led_zeppelin	May 9th, 2003 11:51:27 AM
Ok lets think here, clooney had a chance to play a superhero and failed, not only that he picked the reigns up from the worst batman (kilmer) and made it even worse. lets face it clooney isnt' that good of an actor he just has looks and a name (he was like a board in confessions of a dangerous mind). If you watched the x-files with robert patrick at all you'd understand why i say him (besides he actually LOOKS LIKE reed richards). clooney's face it too round and build it too heavy, richards used his brains not his brawn. As far as the rest of the fantastic four, i like damon as jonny storm but i wouldn't mind an unknown, brad garret(everybody hates raymond, come on hes 6" 8'!!) as the ever lovin thing, and i havent' figured out sue storm yet, probably need someone really unlikely or an unknown. And an old school english actor who can actually act to play doom (micheal caine, anthony hopkins, but a hair younger). You dont need a-list cast to make the movie, unknowns or up and comers are really the best (tobey maquire, hugh jackman, viggo mortenson, eric bana...) look at what happened when affleck was cast as daredevil...barely broke 100 million!!...and as far as a director goes you need someone who loves the source material: look at what jackson did with LOTR, ramey did with spidy, camerson with titanic (i dont care if it was overdone, its only the top grossing movie by a HUGE margin), i dont know about this director but hopefully marvel's flagship will sail again!!!
Wow this Talkback is enormous! by Spikes Brain	May 9th, 2003 11:56:41 AM
I don't think anybody has mentioned it, but Bruce Willis as the voice of the Thing might be a good idea, since I believe there was a movie where he did the voice of a baby.... That did OK, didn't it? Personally, I'm voting for Danny Devito.
Rumors from E!Online by FanHalen	May 9th, 2003 12:41:51 PM
Four Play or Foul Play? Meanwhile, you're not going to believe what I'm hearing from the Fox lot about the next potential comic-book-movie franchise, The Fantastic Four. Two things, actually: One source tells me top execs want to turn Marvel's foursome into a comedy thriller in the vein of, say, McG's Charlie's Angels remake, rather than a more straightforward dramatic thriller like the studio's own X-Men. But another well-placed source says now that Fox has hired Mark Frost (Twin Peaks) to replace former Ivy Leaguer Tristan Patterson (because, I'm told, "no one's been able to totally get it"), the studio wants to go darker. Tongue-in-cheek, sure, but with an edge. Obviously, Foster is older and has a definitive--if creepy--sensibility Fox may want to exploit for F4. So, what about the comical version? "That's news to me," says F4 director Peyton Reed, who's in New York promoting Down with Love at the Tribeca Film Festival. "I think Mark is a smart writer...I'm not gonna say the tone will be Twin Peaks, and it's not a rollicking comedy. There's 40 years of source material; The Fantastic Four incorporates a lot of different tones, so that's what's great about it and also what's tricky about it." I know, movie fans. That's not exactly a denial. Of course, if you've seen the pirated version of that really sad, unreleaseable 1994 version of The Fantastic 4, written by Marvel mastermind Stan Lee (and others), you'll understand a comic bent isn't far of a stretch--although none of the laughs in that forgettable flick were intentional. Plus, the studio figures this particular batch of superheroes has rather silly powers. In other words, they're not in the same class as the ultra-hip X-Men mutants. I'll explain... On a test mission in space, Dr. Richard Reed's spaceship passes through the Earth's radioactive Van Allen belt and gets doused with cosmic rays that make Reed's body elastic; his wife, Susan, becomes invisible; her brother, Tommy, becomes the Human Torch; and their pilot, Ben Grimm, becomes the Thing, a man truly built like a brick--well, you know. Who'd bring these outcasts to life? Greg's Previews on Yahoo reports an early scripter hoped to cast Charlize Theron as Susan, John C. Reilly as the Thing's voice, Paul Walker as the Human Torch and Angel's Alexis Denisof as Reed. A guy on IMDb.com., Blake Goble, wants Dennis Quaid as Reed, Naomi Watts as his wife and Nick Stahl as the Torch--and he thinks Sly Stallone would make a great Thing. But isn't that last bit of casting obvious? Vin Diesel's gravelly bass is the only way to go. But will stars like that get the joke? Don't know. Who wants to second-guess Avi Arad and those superhot superhero folks at Marvel? I gotta say, though, that I'm getting a distinctive whiff of Batman & Robin here.
2 more ideas for Doom by Damn Dirty Ape	May 9th, 2003 12:47:18 PM
What about that german bastard who ran the POW camp in "Hart's War", he had this whole sad eyes behind the monster exterior look going on. And my second idea?...I kinda like this one....what about....Micahel Wincott (The Crow, Robin Hood, Alond Came A Spider). I think he's American or British, not German, but he could study a German accent. But his voive HIS VOICE...its like...like....honey coated gravel for god's sake. Watch The Crow, and imagine him doing that voice with a German accent behind a metal mask.......ohhhh, it gives me goosebumps
ThePhantomDennis -- by BuckyKatt	May 9th, 2003 12:49:44 PM
Loved your 'Dark Knight' casting. Re: Casting of FF - the more I think about it, the more Guy Pearce would be a good Reed, and I hate to say it but I agree with the post that say Hayden Christensen's annoying personality would be great as the Torch. On a different topic - Bruce Campbell as Namor the Sub-Mariner: 'Listen up you land-walking screwheads!'
Freddie Prinze Jr. as Reed, Sarah Michelle Gellar as Sue, Matthe by SleepingCat	May 9th, 2003 12:53:18 PM
Eh hang on, that was Scooby Doom. Well we need to laugh and/or have nightmares once in a while.
RE:Rumors from E!Online by BuckyKatt	May 9th, 2003 12:55:23 PM
I can't take something serioiusly from someone who just called Johnny Storm, 'Tommy'. Know your source material and do some research. Then again, it was pulled from E!.
Grimloch, what's your friggin' porblem?!?!?!? by Damn Dirty Ape	May 9th, 2003 12:56:05 PM
Who fucked you twice up your ass today? I'm 22, not 15, and I haven't read a comic since I was 17 because they became too boring, predictable, and expensive. Yet I do look forward to these movies when they are done right (Spider-Man, X-men, Blade). But wait, since I liked comic books as a kid, and enjoy comic book movies now as a young adult, I must be some kind of degenerate, retarded, inbred hick, right? You think comic book movies are childish? So you must enjoy just regular serious movies, huh? Yet you acn't keep yourself from coming onto this talkback, reading the posts, and then posting your uneducated and anal-retentive rants. You must enjoy movies since you're on this sight, but you think comic movies are childish? Well since all movies are nothing but people playing dress-up and pretend, and you obviously pay money to see them. You must be as much of an inbred hick like the rest of us. Do me a favor and stay off our boards. We were all being civil to each other and listening to each others ideas (I never would have thought of Clooney as Stark...perfect), and then some fuck-ball like you comes along with your dildo-up-the-ass meanderings. Two words 1)PISS 2)OFF!!!!! Damn Dirty Ape
Clooney is a traitorous, pinko scumbag who opposed the war and i by Palmer Eldritch	May 9th, 2003 01:08:47 PM
And yet Fox still wants to give him work! Take that Bill O'Reilly!
Norwegian? by Spikes Brain	May 9th, 2003 01:10:47 PM
I agree--let's settle down! Besides, the Grimloch reference, I think, is for a Norwegian death-metal band! The only Norwegian music I want to hear about is Hulk Hogan in the a-ha story (Taaaake onnn meee, brother!) Ha! I finally got in a Hulk Hogan joke!!
Grimloch is right by zappaman	May 9th, 2003 01:14:04 PM
Comic book movies suck. Why? Cuz comic books featuring grown men running around in tight, butt-hugging outfits spouting off incisive dialog like "Flame on!" is ridiculous, but work in the comics because...well, they're comics. You know, for small kids and overweight shut-ins named Scooter? Projected on a giant screen, it looks silly. Like SPIDERMAN, or DAREDEVIL or THE HULK. I'm sure you'll all be frothing at the mouth when some nitwit of the moment-like Paul Walker-gets cast. But, it won't matter who is cast because it will more than likely end up lame. I'm sure the studios are thoughtfully reading all your posts and will be in contact with each and every one of you very soon.
How Fantastic Four should be cast by Grand Moff Bush	May 9th, 2003 01:17:50 PM
Nolan Ryan as Mr. Fantastic, The Rock as The Thing, Katherine Harris as Invisible Woman and George P. Bush as Human Torch! Nolan Ryan is wise, and the Rock is strong!
Hell yes! He's be perfect by Heleno	May 9th, 2003 01:17:54 PM
Here's hoping....
Speakin of Norwegian metal.... by Vanadium	May 9th, 2003 02:44:43 PM
love that Meshuggah....super heavy...makes Metallica look like sissies...oh wait....they are sissies...especially that candy-ass drummer. One more thing....ease off the flag waving there, Billy Bobs....if Clooney speaks out....who fucking cares? What are we, a nation of clones? It's America...say whatever you want...
peyton reed by boohallsmalls	May 9th, 2003 02:53:40 PM
I dont really know anything about peyton reed, besides his resume, as i would never see Bring It On in a million years, but as far as i remember neither Brian Singer or Tim Burton had ever done anything that would suggest a successful foray into the world of comic action drama, and in less i am incredibly mistaken, they both did a pretty good job. give the guy a chance, if the movie sucks, so what? the comic sucked too, unless you were a child in the fifties or sixties when camp like that was tolerable or in the least but believable. But if the movie successfully translates an outdated genre story into a pertinent, thoughtful, cool blockbuster, you'll all be crowning him king of the world, or at least the next Brian Singer.
TIM ROBBINS is Mr. Fantastic by Spacesheik	May 9th, 2003 04:17:38 PM
'Nuf said.
Damn Dirty Ape's comic books by Voice O. Reason	May 9th, 2003 04:48:14 PM
You're right, comics WERE "boring, predictable, and expensive" when you were 17 (five years ago). Picked up a comic LATELY? Between Marvel's Ultimate line, Grant Morrison's stuff, Kevin Smith and Straczynski's work, comics have hit a new golden age! I'm not ashamed of loving comics.
To Shade by Barron34	May 9th, 2003 05:07:50 PM
I wasn't angry at all, man. I was just saying that you seemed to imply that both Clooney and Gandolfini seemed to pick good scripts, and that since Clooney is considering a role in FF, that FF must therefore have a good script. If that's what you were saying, I feel I have refuted the point by observing that Batman and Robin and the Mexican (for example) both had bad scripts and were bad movies. If you weren't saying that, I am not quite sure what you were saying at all. Clooney is picking lofty scripts? You must mean Solaris, perhaps. Ocean's Eleven was obviously not lofty.
Cloooooney! by Tingle	May 9th, 2003 06:07:28 PM
Stan Lee as Mr. Fantastic would rock, if he wasn't so old and there was an actual chance of it happening. I'll give Clooney a chance. Gail O'Grady would work, but what about Helen Hunt? She's only 2 years younger than Clooney, they could play husband and wife. Ving Rhames as the Thing (but what if they want to show them get their powers? Do you want Ving to play Ben Grimm?) They should cast a young unknown for Johnny Storm (I'm thinking Pyro/Iceman casting, not Anakin...)
rumors, rumors, rumors by adamantium	May 9th, 2003 06:36:13 PM
Yet another unfounded rumor posted at AICN. Clooney is not going to play Reed in FF.
clooney is out. by simongarth2001	May 9th, 2003 06:49:20 PM
according to superherohype.com, clooney is out. It was just a rumor.
Clooney KILLED BATMAN you dipshits! Thank God that this is ONLY by manwiththedogs	May 9th, 2003 07:27:57 PM

hey harry, by ihatemyfriends	May 9th, 2003 08:33:56 PM
George Clooney NOT Up for Fantastic Four Friday, May 9, 2003 5:28 CDT Although we'd love to confirm that George Clooney is up for the role of Reed Richards, aka Mr. Fantastic, in 20th Century Fox's Fantastic Four, unfortunately we can't. For the last two days Ain't-It-Cool-News has toplined a news item saying the following... Avi Arad wants Clooney to be Reed Richards, and right now... what Avi wants, Avi gets and the word I'm hearing is that George is going to do it. You see, Avi wanted George for two different Marvel Characters... Reed Richards aka Mr Fantastic. A VERY (let us repeat - VERY) reliable contact at the studio has told us this rumor is completely false. It would be the perfect casting, but it looks like the studio and Marvel Studios' Avi Arad are probably eyeing someone else and Clooney has other plans.
once again Harry hits us with another false rumour according to by BEARison Ford	May 9th, 2003 08:38:50 PM
that is all.
I Still Stand By My Opinion That The FF Are The Easiest Comic Wh by The Founder	May 9th, 2003 08:53:58 PM
Luc besson is the man for the job. After seeing "5Th Element" I'm convinced he'll be the perfect man for the job, with a good script. Just reunite besson with the producers, and production designers, and the rest of the crew who put that movie together, and they'll pull off a decent FF movie. I know 5TH Element was a mixed bag, but visually it was a awesome movie, and besson displayed very vivid colors, and i think that is the tone a look that the FF need, they shouldn't be dark. Unfortunatly the FF as a movie is a little risky, because it's so easy to wrong here. Their powers are hokey, but if handled right it can be done. I just don't like some of the things that i've been hearing about the movie. Avi Arad has had a good run of luck with marvel's properties, but eventually the good streak will burst. FF has to be done right period, and i can see that suits at FOX want the tone to be similar to xmen, and it shouldn't. FF has to have the perfect blend adventure, sci-fi and fantasy, and serious dramatic tone at certain points as well as comedy, and frankly it's going to be hard to pull off. I don't know about this Peyton Reed guy, but hey Brian Singer had never done a big budget flick, and both xmen movies turned out good. Clooney was a good casting choic, despite being a rumor, but now maybe FOX will get Cusack as Reed. Whatever happens, this movie will be harder to pull together then Xmen.
Reed Richards Casting by Toypom	May 9th, 2003 09:32:06 PM
This is going to sound a bit weird, but ever since I saw THE FACULTY (remember that movie Harry?)I've always thought that JON STEWART would make an awesome Reed Richards. You're probably laughing at this suggestion, but think about it, he handles all that technobabble so well playing the science teacher in that movie that I couldn't help but imagine him as a totally plausible Reed Richards. He's about the right age, He's got the thin look everyone seems to agree Mr. Fantastic should have, he's greying at the temples (the salt n' pepper hair), and he's got this nervous energy about him that came out beautifully in the romantic scenes in PLAYING BY HEART opposite Gillian Anderson,. I could really see him playing Richards. Who's with me?
Grimlock hate Fantastic Four!! by Motutoo	May 9th, 2003 09:44:28 PM
If Grimloch had a 'k' on the end, then I'd definitely guess the name was in reference to the Dinobot. Not familiar with the Norwegian metal band though.
Zellwigger AKA Lemon Face??? Are you nuts? by SpiderMan	May 9th, 2003 10:27:49 PM
Knowone wants that lousy lemonface. She sucks ass. Fox needs to pair up George with Charleze Theron (sp). Grrrrr Baby!!!
Umm...calm down, SimonGarth2001... by Ribbons	May 9th, 2003 11:26:29 PM
By "THEY," Reed meant superheroes in general. I'm sure he's not going to have Reed Richards eating moldy cheese named Roger out of a fridge.
Question: What's with the Clooney campaign? by Ribbons	May 9th, 2003 11:28:08 PM
What is George Clooney's appeal as far as Mr.Fantastic is concerned? I don't really see why people instantly gravitate towards him as their first choice. Why, people? I'm curious.
And Harry seemed SO sure.... by Rupee88	May 10th, 2003 12:46:45 AM
This reminds of me of the various Superman casting "news" where Harry was sure that various actors had been cast as Superman...a new one every week...Jude Law, then Josh Hartnett, etc. I don't mind rumors, but why not just call them "rumors" and not accept them as "fact". Harry is just too gullible...he seems to believe every "reliable" source that he talks to. And he never learns, it seems because he keeps repeating the same mistakes. Oh well, his credibility is dropping with each fake news story on here.
Wow, Grimloch, you got me there... by Damn Dirty Ape	May 10th, 2003 01:45:52 AM
YET, you still have obviously nothing better to do than to talk smack to faceless "inbred dick-beaters." Maybe you should take a loooooong look into the mirror before posting anymore "smack". And all these references to Morwegian metal bands must make you as big of an inbred hick as the rest of us. Have you even seen any of the "childish" movies you calim to despise? If you havn't, then you obviously don't know if they're childish or not, which links you in with about 75% of the population of this country to bitches about shit they don't even understand. If you HAVE seen the movies, then you were curious enough to check the movie out and that would make you as big of an inbred hick as the rest of us. And don't pull any of that "Well I watched it to see how ridiculously stupid it was." "Scooby Doo" was my favorite cartoon as a child, yet I still have not seen the movie, because I knew they would cripple one of my fondest childhood memories. And if these movies are so childish, how come Spider-Man had the biggest opening EVER and now resides as one of the five BIGGEST movies of all time. X-men now has the fourth highest opening of all time. That's a damn ton of people who obviously don't agree with your dick-eared, pointless ramblings. I am curious, though, as to what movies you DO enjoy. What are your favorite movies of all time. What movies entertain the self-assumed mentally superior???? And by all means, please keep posting. Your highly uneducated rants are quite amusing. I LOVE seeing hypocritical internet nerds get their come-uppance. I havn't had this much fun in a long time. Damn Dirty Ape
No disrespect Voice of Reason.... by Damn Dirty Ape	May 10th, 2003 01:56:50 AM
I didn't mean any disrespect Voice of Reason (I'm not a whiny douche-bag like GRIMLOCH who thinks he's somehow superior to the rest of us, yet still has nothing better to do than to come on talkbacks and try and talk some weak shit). I have, do, and always will love comics. There was just a time when I got sick of all the repetetive bull-shit. I have read some of the new stuff, and found it quite interesting. I'm very fond of Daredevil, and anyting my Bendis and Garth Ennis (his stuff is so bizarre that its hilarious). I am proud of my comic-loving heritage. I love it that my friends and family always ask me questions about this movie or that cartoon. IF I ever have children one day, ou bet your ass I'm gonna try to get them interested in comics. They helped me advance in reading levels. At 11, I was reading and comprehending at college levels. That's better than about 98% of my classmates. All thanks to comcics. Always keep your heads up high, I know I will, even when losers like GRIMLOCH call me a "childish, inbred, hick, dickeater." Damn Dirty Ape
Umm...about the P.D. director... by innertMoustard	May 10th, 2003 07:09:20 AM
I don`t mind Peyton Reed that much, but frankly it`s not just THAT kind of material. I would see somebody like Robert Zemekis being more appropriate. Now it`s a question of the willigness of the studios and Marvel to work with proven directors(of course Ang Lee is the hot boy of the moment,so they could not say no.)
You`re right Palmer! George Clooney is the best America has to o by chien_sale	May 10th, 2003 07:27:51 AM
The guy looks good, he`s smart, he helps green-light the best movies for our pleasures, he screws the best-looking chicks in the World. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, he fights for what he believes in like all the great American heroes(in stories). From setting up the found for Sept.11, to speaking against the fucking media to taking the blame for Batman and Robin and then being vocal against the War, that Evil unAmerican master-plan to get more oil when children are dying. You my friend deserves a big non-gay smooch on the arse.
Emmanuel Lewis as Dr. Doom!!!!! by Chingachgook	May 10th, 2003 09:06:56 AM
Check out those old episodes of Webster and tell me that dude is not Doom incarnate.
Dirty damn ape....you must've loved ID4.... by Vanadium	May 10th, 2003 09:47:39 AM
it made lots of money....so it must be good, right? Moron. And to the fool who said he liked The Fifth Element cuz it had lots of cool colors....I have some nice tecno-color bowel movements I can put on celluloid for your enjoyment. Fuckstick.
Martin Sheen as Reed Richards, Tim Robbins as John Storm, Susan by NFLRefugee	May 10th, 2003 10:05:25 AM
The Fantastic Four become disgruntled at the Bush adminstration they pledge their superpowers in defense of Iraq. They destroy the United States army, and insert Saddam as president/dictator of the US. They exile Bush and Cheney to Guantonamo Bay where they are analy raped by Osama Bin Laden. They then retire to France, where the French immediately hail The Thing as a genius. Oh yeah, along the way they go to a Dixie Chick concert. Robert Altman is set to direct, with a script by Norman Mailer. In all seriousness, Clooney would be fine as Mr. Fantastic, he didn't ruin Batman and Robin Schumacher did.
This is gonna be a really silly film by sonofagun	May 10th, 2003 11:23:48 AM
The Fantastic Four have ridiculous powers... they cant seriously make this as a serious action film like X-Men, it will have to a comedy action film, how else when you've got the Honey Monster and Rubber Man not to mind "flame on bitch, miaow" Johnny... Peyton Reed will make this into a camp film which is the only way you can go... who cares who they cast!!
Grimloch by Ribbons	May 10th, 2003 01:05:26 PM
The only reason that most people in here are getting so pissy with you is because they're actually afraid to consider that your argument might have some merit. As a "fanboy," I have to concede that the superhero genre is kinda goofy; I still don't think it's completely worthless, however. Keep your head up, man. You have as much right to post your opinions as anyone else.
FF Casting by esper999	May 10th, 2003 02:30:19 PM
Sue Richards: Jennifer Aniston (You need a girl next door type actress) Johnny Storm: Aaron Stanford (Pyro in X-2) Voice of the Thing: Al Pacino!!! I always imagined the Thing as having a gravelly voice (body of rock, voice of gravel). And Ben Grimm is a New Yorker, so he should sound like it. Plus Pacino can yell. Can you imagine Pacino going IT'S CLOBBERING TIME!! Dr. Doom: Jason Isaacs (Lucious Malfoy) You need a European for this role, someone good at villains. He was great in The Patriot also.
No beef, Damn Dirty Ape... by Voice O. Reason	May 10th, 2003 02:59:11 PM
...I totally understand what you mean now, and you make a good point. (OMG! Two people on this talkback are being polite and respectful to each other! faints)
Vin Diesel has the perfect voice by Aurelfell	May 10th, 2003 04:48:54 PM
I'm sure he'd be a great Ben Grimm (pre-cosmic rays) too, but if he did voiceover for a CGI Thing, or actually has a well crafted makeup/costume combo for the Thing, I can't think of anyone better. He'd look pretty sweet if they had him in a classic Return of the Jedi like costume.
Toypom by CharlesnJay	May 10th, 2003 05:30:35 PM
I love the idea of Jon Stewart as Mr. Fantastic. And how about that guy who played Kingpin in Daredevil as Dr. Doom? And maybe the blonde woman from Phonebooth as Sue Storm?
Doom MUST be either.... by HorsemanTNT	May 10th, 2003 06:51:04 PM
Malkovich or Gary Oldman. Alan Rickman would be good, but these men would be GREAT. Zellweger as Sue Storm is a casting decision Schumacher would make. Naomi Watts is the light. Paul Walker physically is Johnny... too bad the kid can't act. Go with a young unknown indeed. Im all for Clooney. As far as Pacino for the voice of the Thing... I would love it, but just can't see seperating the voice from the man. I'm not sure who to get for the voice... Diesel wouldn't be bad... I will say that. Plus I haven't read the entire message board, but has anyone discussed the Moleman at all??
Irmat speaks wisdom! by HorsemanTNT	May 10th, 2003 06:56:51 PM
John Goodman IS the perfect voice for Ben Grimm! That has become my official stance. Good call!!
http://www.waxy.org/archive/2003 /04/29/star_war.shtml by A Winner Is You	May 10th, 2003 07:54:52 PM
Watch and learn, padawan.
Just watched the ring and... by MichaelSean	May 10th, 2003 10:17:41 PM
...Naomi Watts IS Sue Richards, no question. George Cloony would make a fine Reed Richards, if a little old for Ms. Watts, but I can see the need to cast a big name star so I'm fine with it. I like the idea of Sean William Scott as Johnny Storm, just the right mix of action hero and cocky, love-the-spotlight attitude and as for Ben Grimm, that's the toughest call, but when I visualize someone saying, "It's clobberin' time!" and not sounding like a complete idiot, I think of...Harvey Firestien. So, The Thing's a little bit gay, so what!
My FF is a action/comedy with George Clooney or Gary Cole as Ree by stlfilmwire	May 10th, 2003 10:51:25 PM
Other casting ideas: If you cast a younger Sue, cast Jessica Biel as Sue Storm and take a WILD CHANCE with Frankie Muniz in his first REAL teenage role as Johnny Storm. Frankie would be perfect because he has that young kid audience PLUS I can see him playing this cocky little guy that suddenly thinks he's hot shit because of his new powers. Jeremy Irons as Dr. Doom. Other alternate Ben Grimms: It might be a good idea to not worry about what he looks like (since he will be transformed to rock)... cast him based on the voice... thus John Goodman really doesn't sound all that bad... or someone with a voice like him.
Me again: Jeremy Irons as Dr. Doom or even Duchovny as Reed... by stlfilmwire	May 10th, 2003 10:54:50 PM
That's all.
john c. reilly. three chairs for john c.! by peter1a	May 10th, 2003 11:24:10 PM
i was under the impression that there had been a law passed in congress that john c. reilly had to be in every film ever made. my brother michael worked with john c. in steppenwolf's the grapes of wrath. i asked michael if he had connected with any of the cast, because gary sinise was standing on the razors edge and decided to be a star? "john c." he's real good and he works."
It's Clobberin Time by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	May 10th, 2003 11:24:24 PM
I've been rolling that phrase around in my head, and it's going to sound ridiculous no matter who says it, maybe he shouldn't say it at all, except in a joking way to Johnny or something. It might be fun to cast the movie with "B" stars, Reed Richards: Paulie Shore, Sue Storm: Carmen Electra, Johnny Storm: Corey Feldman, Ben Grimm: Richard Moll
VING RHAMES IS THE THING by Lil Ze	May 11th, 2003 10:28:15 AM
VING RHAMES IS THE THING and he WILL be chosen for it because he is the obvious pick.
Reed Richard is supposed to be smart by Foghorn Leghorn	May 11th, 2003 11:11:32 AM
I've got nothing against Clooney - even though my wife would leave me for him in a second. The kid's got charisma, you know? But he just doesn't suggest that there's a titanic intellect throbbing beneath those (dyed) gray temples - a must for the part. Bad, bad choice. Someone English would help here. Jude Law, maybe. Or, if you really want to fuck with the fanboys, Rupert Everett. Renee Zellweger?? Ugly as dirt and twice as stupid? Harry, the lipids are interfering with the flow of blood to your brain. Even though she doesn't do it for me personally, someone like Naomi Watts would be 200 to 350 times better. Affordable, too. I don't see Matt Damon as Johnny either. Frankly, any WB pretty-boy could do the job. C. Reilly is the only viable choice you mentioned. But you overlooked an even better candidate. How about... Tom Sizemore?
Renee Zellwegger as Sue Storm is the worst idea i've ever heard by The Dude Abides	May 11th, 2003 05:33:36 PM
seriously, harry, i expect a little better taste from you...she's such a waste of flesh
JOHNNY STORM!!!!!!!!! by StarUnlit	May 11th, 2003 06:13:57 PM
simply must be played by... VINCENT KARTHESIER who portrays connor on ANGEL!!!!! ONLY HE CAN DO IT! YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
Harvey Keitel as The Thing...another chance for Harry to see hog by Honus_Wagner	May 11th, 2003 06:55:11 PM
It's disturbing how homo erotic Harry's reviews have been on the comic book movies. His jizzing over Ben Affleck's muscular ass on Daredevil pushed me over the edge. Here's to more Harvey Keitel movies, the only mainstream male actor who shows his schlong on a regular basis. Keitel cameos always good.
Sam Elliot as Reed Richards would be a lot cooler by workshed	May 11th, 2003 07:26:20 PM
Well, fuck it! That's what I think.
Sam Elliot as Reed Richards would be a lot cooler by workshed	May 11th, 2003 07:26:56 PM
Well, fuck it! That's what I think.
Down With Love by HotSmurfChowder	May 11th, 2003 10:00:04 PM
If Down With Love ends up being the piece of shit critics have been calling it, whose going to want Peyton Reed in charge of a comic book movie.. NO ONE! Get like fucken Steven Somers would be a better choice. Shit even Ratner (both of these guys SUCK) but will prolly be a better chouce
Britney Murphy as Johnie Storm by perxyMax	May 11th, 2003 11:44:01 PM
Britney Murphy as Johnie Storm. That would be so ultra cool, and it would add so much depth to the whole love/hate thing with the, um, Thing. It's got sexual tension, sibling rivalry, um, sexual tension, and Britney Murphy: if it has Charlize Theron as Sue, it might also have the best cat fight in the history of humanity. And that sorta chemistry would play so well with Clooney, who just laps it up: Beautful, super powered sisters fighting over him? oh yeah, now _there's_ a reason to smirk, just a little bit, as he waves the problem away and returns to his test tubes, ignoring the world around him. Maybe hot stuff younger sis tries to make time with Mr. Fantastic, because she's bored and frustrated that her own love interest( the Thing: work with me here. He did used to be hot shot pilot, it's reasonable that a hot blood young girl would fall for him) is way, way of limits, but still sorta tempting, in a impossible way. Besides he's the only man who ever made her feel like she deserved to be loved, and she really hates him for becoming the Thing, so she's extra cruel to him. Besides, it makes her feel powerful to frustrate him, and her life is so fucked up, she's take any sense of control she can get). Britney/Johnie imagines that big sis is getting it better then ever(or so Britney/Johnie thinks, little does she know...)? I mean, what hot headed nubile girl who can burst into a nova flame wouldn't be curious about Mr. Fantastic unique abilities? Maybe she even teases and taunts Thing, driving him nut, as a way of dealing with her own frustrations and confusion? On top of that, maybe she's afraid that she'll never make it with anyone, ever, because she might lose control and fry'em: talk about sex guilt. I mean, she's so getting little sistered here, by life in general, and you know she can play that whole angry/sexy/pouty/damaged/smart /cool chick to the motherfuckin T. Meanwhile, hot stuff older sister(Sue/Charlize) has had just about enough: that, added to her marital problems (maybe, work with me here), is getting deeply under her skin: enter Namor, as Daniel Day-Lewis, circa The Unbearable Lightness of Being, with that "I'll take her your woman away and teach her how to moan thing" look in his eyes. And, oh yeah, btw, Doom is trying to destroy the world, and mirroring this whole resentment/jeleously cycle with own his own hard-on for Reed(not a sexual hard-on, mind you, though Jeremy Irons could probably, subtly, let some of that in too, just for extra creepiness on the side, hold the mayo). Shit, we've got a theme here folks. God, I should so be a creative Hollywood type who drives expensive cars while getting blow jobs from beautiful women with low self esteem, takes meeting 'on the run', does expensive drugs, and hate himself for a good reason: I'm am so going to waste in the midwest, where I just hate myself for no reason. I so wanna see _this_ movie.
Clooney?! No way... Michael O'Hare, Torrie Wilson by Shaman091770	May 12th, 2003 02:46:39 AM
The only good movie he played in was FROM DUSK TIL DAWN. Reed needs to be older and somewhat gray-haired, who sounds like he's always trying to solve pi in his head! Michael O'Hare from Babylon 5 is my choice for Reed! Vanderbeke as the Torch & Chiklis doing Thing's voice, also great! Invisible Woman (we know the NAGS or the N.O.W. would protest the use of "Girl") needs to look at least in her late twenties. The way she's drawn now she no longer resembles HotLips from MASH like she did in the early 80's. Maybe Torrie Wilson as Sue?
This is the perfect cast list for the FANTASTIC FOUR!!!! by cdiesel	Jul 25th, 2003 06:26:45 PM
Mr. Fantastic: George Clooney Invisble Woman: Natasha Henstridge (Species I&II) Human Torch: Paul Walker The Thing: Vin Diesel
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