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What does George W Bush, Osama Bin Laden and SPIDER-MAN have in Common'

That guy has a weird sense of fun by Heleno	Apr 24th, 2003 04:45:19 AM
but if he can make CGI look less like cgi, then much props
Running Man by Thing-Fish	Apr 24th, 2003 04:59:09 AM
Being able to create digital lifelike people reminds me a little of the Running Man (and of course other scifi stories). _______ Anyway I think talking Osamas can be funny. I'd love to see an updated version of the "Two tribes" video clip - remember, the Frankie Goes To Hollywood song? Remember the video clip, in which Reagan and Breznyev (sp?) beat each other into a bloody pulp? Fantastic! They don't make video clips like that any more ..... sigh.... '80s nostalgia.
Technical paper for those who are interested by Robert K S	Apr 24th, 2003 05:27:23 AM
The Light Stage 2.0 paper can be found at the page on Dr. Debevec's web site: http://www.debevec.org/Researc h/LS/
"He modelled a talking George Bush" by Silvio Dante	Apr 24th, 2003 05:31:09 AM
'Nuff said.
Doc Ock Unmasks Spidey by Steve Rogers	Apr 24th, 2003 06:14:05 AM
Maybe we'll get to see the famous scene from the early comics where Doc Ock kicks the crap out of Spidey and then unmasks him in front of JJJ, Betty Brant and a load of cops, only for no-one to believe that Parker could possibly be Spider-Man and that he was just impersonating him to try and save Betty (the first spidey love interest). Hopefully then Elizabeth banks, as Betty, will show her appreciation be getting buck naked and showing Parker how to party. Hoo-hah!
An answer for Thing-Fish! by VonSpark	Apr 24th, 2003 06:15:29 AM
"Remember the video clip, in which Reagan and Breznyev (sp?) beat each other into a bloody pulp? Fantastic! They don't make video clips like that any more ..... sigh.... '80s nostalgia."------------------- ------------------------------ --------Well, the reasons as to why they wouldn't make an updated "Bush vs. Osama" "Two Tribes" video-bit are twofold:---------------------- ------------------------------ ----First, in today's media climate, speaking of the President with anything but glowing praise gets the O'ReillyFoxLimbaughs to unjustly talk smack regarding what they convolute as a misuse of your right to free speech and expression (backed by Clear Channel's recent extremist actions such as banning the Dixie Chicks in many markets, as well as Tom Petty's "The Last DJ" for it's political leanings, AND paying for/sponsoring "support the war" rallies, etc.).------------------------ ------------Second, given that both Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein remain in the wind (SMALL cretins at LARGE, you might say!), such a video recreation would only lead to GW/Cheney/Rummy/Franks/Satan/C ondi looking rather silly. At this point, please refer to reason number one.-------------------------- -----------------Finally as to "80's nostalgia, when the above mentioned team can make us wistful for the Reaganomically stained 80's- we with our pastel blazers, big-haired mullets, and trickle-down debts- things have taken a turn for the worse.------------------------ -----------------------THANK GOD for X2:...'tis looking mighty!----------------------- ------------------------------ -----------------------------V onSpark
80s by Thing-Fish	Apr 24th, 2003 07:08:27 AM
Of course, when talking about "nostalgia" in the context of the 80s, mentioning Reaganomics indeed makes one rethink any form of nostalia one might accidentally have professed. VonSpark hits the nail right on the head. _______ BTW, I love it when right-wing Americans encourage others to "think for themselves"! It's just SO humorous.
AAWWW... what the fuck! by SoulReaver	Apr 24th, 2003 07:09:27 AM
Is anybody into 3d animation??? why the fuck aren't they using real actors or digital projecting?? this is what pisses me off looking at those superhero movies... TAKE A CHINESE STUNTMAN, and be happy!! and for mugshots, take TOBEY, not TOBEY.max or TOBEY.mb or anything. 3d will always look fake.
Oh, yes... by SoulReaver	Apr 24th, 2003 07:14:00 AM
FUCK THE FUCK OFF with those politics in here, will ya? no place for stoopid motherfuckers in here.
Preach, Brother! by geekzapoppin	Apr 24th, 2003 08:14:31 AM
I'm right there with you, VonSpark. Personally, I think Bushie, Jr. has been cgi from the start. Surely no country in their right mind would elect a moron like him! Oh wait...WE DIDN'T!!!
You know, that shot of Spidey flying up in the air and landing o by Cruel Shoes	Apr 24th, 2003 08:20:04 AM
Worried me in the trailer, it looked the same in the movie. But then, what would be better, the puppets that we could never tell were fake when we were kids? Digital looks digital, puppet looks puppet. The acuity of the human eye will always be the true problem. They should start a wing of ILM or Digital Domain that systematically damages the eyes of the firstborn child of every American.
MY EGO by HULKOUT100	Apr 24th, 2003 08:38:55 AM
I AM HUGE! AND AN EGOMANIAC! WOMEN FEED ME GRAPES
VonSpark and geeksapoppin, you can both get fucked with one of C by Grand Moff Bush	Apr 24th, 2003 09:01:23 AM
I could never be CGI created! I am far to expressive for that and my eye squints would not look realistic in CGI. As far as who is a moron, I'd say that someone up at 6:15 am posting on an internet movie site is a bigger moron than someone who is up at that hour to plan his conquest of the planet Earth! Rest assured, both you dorks are on my black list - you should plan on Sean Hannity coming to your house to rip your tongues out so you cannot speak against me anymore!
What DO George W. Bush, Osama Bin Laden, and Spider-Man have in by Vegas	Apr 24th, 2003 09:32:18 AM
Seriously, fucking at least get the HEADLINE right! Hurts my brain to see such inanity on my screen, and now I'll not be back for a few days til it scrolls down off of it. This site has been acting awfully dumb recently.
It should be legal to seriously injure those that come to this s by Nice Marmot	Apr 24th, 2003 09:45:14 AM

Hey BigBadClone by 007-11	Apr 24th, 2003 09:49:01 AM
I live in Dallas and I can tell you right now there are people here with accents. Not because they're genuine salt of the earth folk, it's because they fake them. It's really fucking pathetic. Women are the ones that do it the most. As I understand it Bush grew up in Midland and spends most of his time in Texas, seeing as how there's no shortage of good ole boys(or pretend ones anyway) I could see how he would pick it up.
As an avowed anti-republican warmonger, I do get a little sick o by WeedyMcSmokey	Apr 24th, 2003 09:56:19 AM
Yeah - so Limbaugh and O'Reilly get all uppity - big deal, please stop acting like they're some all powerful force that seeks to cloud the minds of men - they're just a couple of big mouths with similarly intolerant views. Just like a shitload of other wags - right or left. They are not representative of either the entire 'right-wing' community, nor are they particularly important. They are commentators. Please, let's have a little perspective. Like this whole SARS thing - my city has now been issued a travel advisory from the WHO - we've been blacklisted. All because of an illness that has so far affected 1 in 250,000, and killed a total of 14. You have a better chance of strangling yourself in your sleep (1 in 11,000). No one wears masks and the worst thing that's happening is that the Chinese communities businesses are being avoided - mostly by the Chinese community. The media are just trying to sell papers and nothing hits the sweet spot better than conflict, bloodshed and misery.
Real presidents are intelligent and can talk. by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 10:29:25 AM
Bush is counterfeit in more ways than one. He does have much in common with Bin Laden. But unless Spider-Man is a religious fanatic, spoiled rich kid with delusions of grandeur, or barbaric zealot, I don't see how he fits in with the other two maniacs.
Who's defaming Bush's heritage? He's a real cowboy... by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 10:41:24 AM
A Conneticut cowboy, that is. He pulled himself up by his Daddy's bootstraps and made something of himself, unlike you lazy poor commies who god has obviously rejected. Go back to Iran, Mohammad.
forget about FX guys, now YOU can make Dubbya talk too! by Tall_Boy	Apr 24th, 2003 11:01:01 AM
check this shit out. http://www.actofme.co.uk/bush_ speech/bushspeechwriter.html
Dear God no, Fett by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 11:45:46 AM
I thought it was over but that was too much to hope for I guess. Yet another political essay from you poisons the talkback. What network did Peter Arnett work for? It wasn't FOX and what he did was probably the most disgraceful conduct of any war correspondent over there. And I suppose you don't put any credence in the testimony of the numerous Iraqi scientists who are saying they were ordered in the days before the war began to destroy evidence of WMDs? I guess it fits your agenda better to keep saying they never existed in the first place than to accept the evidence of the people actually involved in destroying and hiding WMDs. And we are supposed to just pull out of Iraq two weeks after the war is over because a bunch of Shiite zealots say so? Great idea, I'm sure Germany would have turned out wonderfully if we'd just turned tail in August of 1945 and left them to their own devices.
Bradley Hamilton, you vomitous pig. by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 12:07:57 PM
Peter Arnett didn't reveal troop positions, nor did he loot and steal for personal profit. He consented to an interview and honestly answered the questions posed to him. Arnett is not a government or military agent and is not beholden to the pep rally mentality that has taken hold of the Armed Forces of late. Arnett, in his interview, did not reveal any sensitive information that could in any way damage the illegal military action undertaken at that time, unlike Geraldo. If that repugnant orb atop your neck wasn't filled with putrified garbage, perhaps you might not spew such asinine, rancid bile from your mouth. With every whining post, you strike me more and more as a pathetic chump who has no concept of history or current events. Good luck with that GED bid.
Fett and Bradley Hamilton by PacinoHatersGoHo	Apr 24th, 2003 12:15:01 PM
Fett makes some very strong arguments and Bradley Hamilton isn't the brightest fellow. Hamilton falls into "misinformed war supporter" I'm sorry (not really) to say, especially in comparing Iraq to WWII Germany. Although this political talk is way out of place. But this all began with mention of Reagan in a music video... ? Blame Reagan! Pacino Haters Go Home!
Ah, Vegas ... by Thing-Fish	Apr 24th, 2003 12:57:13 PM
... grammatically, you are, of course, right ... but ever since "What business does an elf, a man, and a dwarf have in the Riddermark?" (in the Two Towers), I guess the use of the verb form "does" with the third person plural is acceptable, as well. __________ Thanks for the link, Tall_Boy!
Bad English? by Straycat	Apr 24th, 2003 01:01:44 PM
Is it just me or is this really bad english?? What does George W Bush, Osama Bin Laden and SPIDER-MAN have in Common?
California Split you give incoherent mongoloids a bad name by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 01:05:18 PM
Did any American deaths result from Geraldo's comments? No. I'm not defending what he did, but he didn't give away precise coordinates of the troops, just a basic indicator of where they were. Arnett went on to IRAQI TV, and stated that the U.S. war plan had failed. He could not have provided a bigger propaganda sound byte if Saddam's information minister had written it himself. How many more Iraqis died as a result of being falsely encouraged that their victory was possible because of what Arnett said? I guarantee he cost more lives than anything Geraldo did. Only an utter disgrace like you would defend that as a man honestly answering questions posed to him. I suppose letting homeless vagrants have cock-wrestling matches in your mouth has contributed to the incoherent blather that spews from your cock-holster. The fact that you are still clinging to this argument that Bush isn't a legitimate president like a tick clings on to a horse's ass is equally revealing of that fact that your mother's afterbirth seems to be the only part of you that survived. All the independent vote counts have revealed that Bush won. Why don't you give it a rest, just like a gave fucking your mom a rest after her meat curtains started hanging down to her knees, asswipe.
California Sh1t, I mean Split by Frodofan	Apr 24th, 2003 01:20:08 PM
What do you mean, illegal war? If someone breaks a series of agreements over a period of a dozen years, you're supposed to just sit there and take it? That's fine if you're France. You know, roll over for Germany twice, leave Vietnam. The U.S. will do your dirty work. War sucks. What sucks more is letting people deliberately break agreements with NO consequences. Look at South Africa. That is how disarmament works. Inspectors go in, look wherever the hell they want, and make sure everything is destroyed. This did NOT, by anybody's account, happen in Iraq. Inspectors went where Saddam told them to go. If you think anything could possibly be found, you are living in an opium dream. Your contention is misinformed, if informed at all.
Bradley Hamilton, your break must be over... by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 01:34:08 PM
now get back on that fry grill! Just think, you dropped out of high school for this. Insulting my mother and calling me gay, I would be offended, but according to that hilariously sad facer blog those are terms you reserve for your closest friends. You're such a sweetie.
California Split, I believe you started with the personal insult by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 01:51:42 PM
I'm just more than happy to keep up with you is all. It makes sense though that you would resort first to making high-school dropout cracks and referring to my "repugnant orb atop your neck" being "filled with putrified garbage". When one's political argument is as toilet tissue thin as yours is you must run out of valid points pretty quickly. Then you are forced to recall and regurgitate the insults you must have heard as a young boy tethered to the jungle gym outside your special school. You certainly haven't said anything to convince me or anyone else here that you have any kind of rudimentary grasp on anything other than your appreciation for your own fecal excretions. Play in them all you like, just please stop slinging them around at us.
I don't agree with the war, but I do agree in sticking around to by 007-11	Apr 24th, 2003 02:13:45 PM
If we left them alone then this whole thing will have been for nothing. The idea behind this war, or at least the way it was sold, was to lessen the number of terrorist nations that hate us. We leave Iraq alone and the Shiites will take over and make it an Islamic republic. We'll have another Taliban-Afghanistan on our hands. If we stick it out and make sure the government put in place is stable then maybe this war will have accomplished something. For now we have a sour victory, we can't find Saddam, and we can't keep order in Iraq. We may have brought the Iraqi's freedom but we also brought them anarchy.
I DECLARE VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by WRATH-OF-FETT	Apr 24th, 2003 02:24:52 PM
Fett has been banned and I still function. He has been forced to change his name to California Shit. I declare victory on his bitch ass!!! The winna and new champeeon!!!!!!!!!!!
Bradley H, NOW you take the high ground? by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 02:30:30 PM
Just like the venal, pernicious neo-con that you are, you start shit with people, then claim innocence. I tried arguing straight politics with you and your cabal in several similar Talk Backs and got nothing in the way of real discourse, only juvenile insults and a repetition of the same Fox news headlines over and over again. Quite frankly, I'm sick of you pigs hijacking the Talk Backs with your swill and especially how you hijack people's ID's in order to play dirty. (Also, ganging up on that Fett person has made you guys look like obsessive fools.) That manner of unfair attack is what Nixon's Watergate team admittedly did when they were young Rebublicans in college (thank god they didn't have an internet to work with). So don't tell me that I resort to insults when I refuse to engage in debate when you do the same and worse rather than have a sensible political disagreement. Ultimately, though, nobody gets hurt, it's just words, so sticks and stones and all that mess. But don't whine to me that I started it. And please don't tell your Mommy on me.
Hey, Fake Fett by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 02:35:34 PM
I've been California Split before there was a Fett. You are the perfect example of the idiot who screams the loudest warrants the least attention. Take your dirty tricks and your latest identity back to whatever toilet you slithered out of.
California Split, WHO hijacked this talkback?? by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 02:46:01 PM
It sure as hell wasn't me. I NEVER start the political shit on this site. It is ALWAYS some asswipe like you that comes in here without any provocation and starts ragging on Bush and his illegal war. This is a MOVIE SITE that every day for the past three months has been sidetracked when some fungus goes on an anti-Bush rant. I pray every day that I will come here and the wanna-be political commentators will take it somewhere else, and every day I am let down. Then somehow I am an instigator for defending a different point of view?? Please, the liberals that come in here spout off the same cookie-cutter propaganda EVERY day ("Bush is an idiot", "the war is illegal", any of this sound familiar to you?) so don't try to fool yourself into thinking that it is the republicans that are providing a "repetition of the same Fox news headlines over and over again." It is you and YOUR cohorts that haven't said anything that hasn't already been said by Michael Moore, Madonna, George Michael etc., a million times. Personally, I don't recall having engaged you in direct debate before, but as far as today goes I didn't lash out at you until you insulted me. I have fought Fett many many times, but when in came to political debates I always kept it on topic without the fag and retard and motherfucker cracks. I'm not responsible for what others say, so don't lump me in with some "cabal". You want to start shit with me, you will get shit in return. Fett didn't get anything that he didn't ask for and I'm not implying that I didn't have an equal hand in starting shit, but that is between him and me and for the most part is in the past. I'm perfectly happy to start wiping my ass with your charred remains in his place though.
". (Also, ganging up on that Fett person has made you guys look by WRATH-OF-FETT	Apr 24th, 2003 02:57:44 PM
You are the saddest fuck on the planet!!! We all know its you man! You do the same shit over and over and over. You babble and have this persecution God complex. You really are a work of demented art. And so sad that you are too stupid to figure out how to do this.
Brad H, you take all this way too seriously. by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 02:59:26 PM
Not only are you a pathetic neo-con chump, but a dork who thinks these Talk Backs matter. How exactly will you char my ass in a Talk Back? What formation of text will bring about said ass being charred? Oh, my - you might insult my mother again! Or categorize me with deviant homosexual acts! Whoop. The fact is that you do start political fights on these Talk Backs and the fact is that you have some fervent conserative zeal that you can't quench. I WANT to talk about movies, but I won't allow neo-con jerks to hijack this space without some smack talk in return. And although I'm aligned politically to Fett, I ain't him. I hate George Lucas. Not as much as Bush, though.
Liberal vs. Conservative media by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 03:04:23 PM
It all boils down to this. The media was generally liberal for fucking DECADES. ALL THREE MAJOR NETWORKS before the advent of cable news networks were slanted to the left, as evidenced by recent comments from people like Walter Kronkite calling George Bush one of the worst Presidents in American history, while praising Jimmy Carter as one of the smartest men he ever met. Obviously we now know what his leanings were for all those years. It was just accepted in mainstream society that the press was liberal and more critical of republican politicians than democrats. Now in just the last ten years, with the arrival of the Rush Limbaughs and Bill O'Reillys, we get this huge outcry from liberals who were so accustomed to having 100% of the media in their corner?? Fox actually provides a view counter to the rest of the media and THEY are the ones to be vilified? Believe it or not, they are NOT anchormen or correspondents, they are commentators who's political affiliation is no secret! I expect someone who's job is to report straight news to do so without any bias! Rush and O'Reilly never claim to be news correspondents, they are political commentators and just as entitled to their opinions as Paul Begala and James Carville, who are ten times as obnoxious and vehement in their rantings as are Limbaugh and O'Reilly. The liberals' problem is that more people AGREE with O'Reilly's opinions than yours, so his show gets great ratings, while shows like Donohue flounder. Sorry that the playing field may actually be leveling out, liberals, but it had to happen sometime.
California, I think you have a serious reading comprehension pro by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 03:13:54 PM
"The fact is that you do start political fights on these Talk Backs and the fact is that you have some fervent conserative zeal that you can't quench. I WANT to talk about movies, but I won't allow neo-con jerks to hijack this space without some smack talk in return." Thanks for restating what I said about the liberals on this website almost verbatim. I will stick by what I said that I have never initiated a political debate on this website, but I'm not going to sit around while a bunch of Ralph Nader propaganda gets spewed around. Let's have a look at who started shit in this talkback, shall we?? VonSpark and Geeksapoppin started up bright and early with their "Bush is a moron" bullshit. Gee, I wonder what their political leanings are. Still think that only republicans start the B.S. here? Every fucking time if the article even so much as mentions Bush inevitably you or someone else chimes in right away with how awful Bush is, sorry it is so jarring to you when someone disagrees with you. As far as taking this site to seriously, I'm not sitting in my chair quivering with rage like you and your mouth-frothing liberal "cabal". The fact that you even care about what happened with Fett when it doesn't even concern you is pretty telling about who takes this site too seriously.
Sherlock Holmes, you are spot on... by Bastard Bunny	Apr 24th, 2003 03:38:15 PM
I wonder if Osama and Saddam have been left at large to provide a convenient external bogey-man to scare people into allowing ever more repressive legislation. They are Goldstein/Trotsky figures. Sadly, I think now that even if George Bush were to fall down an elevator shaft the drift toward the extreme right-wing would continue, people are scared and confused and will see the US turn into a christian fundamentalist state every bit as repressive as any muslim fundamentalist state.
Bradley Hamilton, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz by California Split	Apr 24th, 2003 03:38:50 PM
How many different ways can one person say, "It's not my fault, I didn't start it." Four, I think. Let me know when you get some new material. Hey, don't worry - nobody's gonna kick down your door and drag you back to Mongoloid Isle.
And California Split-tail's argument slowly dwindles down to not by Stan Gable	Apr 24th, 2003 03:50:08 PM
Hopefully you are done placing your Cheetos-stained fingers on your keyboard and moving them, because your brain threw in the towel hours ago. Talk about being a poor man's Fett, that's exactly what you are. You try to be a beligerent political troll, but you don't have the intelligence, stamina, or even the bull-headed obstinance to make a point or even begin to dissect someone else's point, which at least Fett has going for him. If I were you I'd ask for your money back on those internet liberal talking points newsletters you subscribe to, they certainly short-changed you.
The real question brought up by the article is... by chrth	Apr 24th, 2003 03:50:36 PM
Which nominee should win a Tui music award for best group of 2002? I say the Datsuns
i've got an example of liberal bias by DenizenZERO	Apr 24th, 2003 03:51:46 PM
when it was announced that Bush had won the 2000 election, i was watching CNN. Bernard Shaw openly said on live TV, "it looks like Bush has won the election, no matter what we wanted." when i heard him say that, i was shocked.
Aren't we supposed to be replying to the topic at hand? by Nazgu^l	Apr 24th, 2003 04:32:05 PM
Boy, talk about losing the plot! All this political nonsense is nuts. TAKE IT TO THE APPROPRIATE SITE and air your views there.
Media biases by Thing-Fish	Apr 24th, 2003 04:37:00 PM
The american media doesn't refer to the democratic party in the US as "left-wing" because they aren't left-wing. Simple. What-you didn't get that? Oh excuse me - you have to go salute a flag.
SLEDGE'S HAMMER OF JUSTICE: THE NAME DEBATE by SIR-SLEDGE450	Apr 24th, 2003 04:53:22 PM
Due to the appalingly titled Amazing spiderman,blah,balh,balah, here are,in the only opinion that counts, SLEDGE450'S, the WORST NAMES of all time: 10) A town called Bastad 9)Mr Blandings Builds his dream house (sounds like one of those naff programs on discovery) 8)Zombies of the stratosphere (What the fu-) 7)Dub Dicks (Need i say more?) 6)Canadian Mounties vs Atomic Invaders (Images of Rodger corman splattered in my mind when i first heard that name) 5)Star wars: Atack of the clones (The most mainstream title of them all,but also the 5th crapest) 4) I killed my wife, hung her by a meathook and now i have a 5 picture deal at disney(i think theres more,and please,someone correct me if im wrong. This isnt an auful title,quite funny, but would you go to the cinema and ask "1 for i killed my wife, hung her on a meathook and now i have a 5 picture deal at disney?" seriously? liars) 3)The ear (How in the HELL CAN THAT BE INTRESTING??? THE EAR? AND IT WAS SURPRESSED IN RUSSIA FOR 20 YEARS??? THATS COMMUNISM FOR YOU) 2)Tarzan finds a son! (and eats him) 1) Gay niggers from outa space (released in 1994, this has to be the daddy of bad titles,i mean,my god,how did they pass it!!!!)
Do any of you get your news outside of the US? by WeedyMcSmokey	Apr 24th, 2003 05:13:04 PM
Do you ever read or digest any non-American media? It's a big world out there. i hate to tell you this, but if you're actively engaged in the pursuit of alternative medias then you'll quickly reallize just how myopic and haliocentric ALL major US media is. Why is liberal a bad word? Some of you guys just eat this spoonfed jargon like its straight from the bible - its all just perspective baby. And please, please stop talking about the internationally legal mandate for this war - how can resolution 1441 be so damning as evidence, but completely ignoring the UN's position on the invasion be so acceptable? They both come from the same body. You can't have it both ways.
insert stupid blather here by GypsyTRobot	Apr 24th, 2003 05:26:55 PM
blah blah blah. I think Harry is deliberately baiting us with the headline. In unrelated news, why do I have to wait until August for the frickin theatrical release of TTT???!??! Dammit!
You want to see with your own eyes the conservitive bias of our by McCormic	Apr 24th, 2003 07:09:51 PM
Visit www.fair.org. These people know what they are talking about. Need more proof? Check out http://www.timesonline.co.uk/a rticle/0,,5944-648517,00.html A story in a UK daily in which a doctor at the hospital which Jessica Lynch was being held tells his story, with directly controdicts the story given by the US military. Then go to http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04 /21/international/worldspecial /21LYNC.html This is the exact same story in the New York times, which completly recounts the doctor's story, but ommits any element of it which in any way controdicts with the military story. Strange no?
Bias. . . by McCormic	Apr 24th, 2003 07:28:51 PM
In the run up to this war FAIR did a study in which it watched the nightly news broudcasts of ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS, and kept track of the people they had on to talk about this war. Over the, I belive it was, 2 week period of the study, over 70% of the people interviewed on the news where former or current US military. Of the whole group no more then 17% of the people interviewed expressed any desenting view aganst the war, and mind you 80% of the world population is in oposition to the war. That's not fair, acurate, or balanced reporting. So many voices in opostion to this war, such has International law experts, humanitarian aid organizations, middle east polocy analists, and activists where completly or nearly comptely excluded from the debate. Of the whole group >1% identified themselves as an activist. I was actually only one person, a nurse with an activist nursing group who appread on only two of the network news broudcasts. But yeah, I'm sure the media is all liberal and all. Somehow.
Oops. . . That should have been by McCormic	Apr 24th, 2003 07:31:33 PM
Sorry. Not good at thinking at math.
Weedy, Towelie, California... by mtoast	Apr 24th, 2003 08:43:52 PM
Ahhhh, music to my eyes to read your posts. With the young Republican circle jerk dominating these talkbacks, I had given up hope of hearing logical intelligent opinions on the subject of current events. (Fett's been crying out int the wilderness, but he attracts so much bile for other reasons that his political comments are doomed to drown in any talkback) Interesting that at least two of you are from outside of the United States (as am I). There really seems to be an alarming growth in mainstream American opinion of the notion that the US government can do no wrong. America, by definition, is always always always right. Anyone who even questions its tactics (i.e.: most of the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD!) is worthy of spite, derision, and hatred. Weedy, I share your wish that more citizens of the US would look to other media sources. Flipping between CBC Newsworld and CNN, I find it difficult to believe they've been covering the same war. Or the same world. It's a frustrating state of affairs. But Americans need to realize, when a friend thinks you're doing wrong and says so, he does NOT automatically become your enemy. He might just care about you -- and others -- and want you to rethink your actions and methods. He might know something you don't and want to point it out to you. Patriotism should not be blinding. Loving your country should not mean you accept the facts that you're fed. The people behind Bush are as far right as they come. If they were equally far to the left, they'd be dogmatic Marxists. Oh, and by the way people, look up the political definition of "liberalism." All the pro-war people seem to have no clue what it actually means. Peace everybody -- or is that still a dirty word?
Hey mccormic, by mtoast	Apr 24th, 2003 08:57:31 PM

Hey mccormic, by mtoast	Apr 24th, 2003 09:00:08 PM
You forgot to mention the Pope! That left-wing commie pot-smoking liberal-minded flower child! Jesus H. Christ in a hot-air balloon, they don't come more conservative than ol' JP2 -- an' there he is dissin' the war. Food for thought, no?
FTF by mtoast	Apr 24th, 2003 09:12:55 PM
Thanks for the history lesson. Um, if you feel that way about the French based on isolated incidents in WWII, I guess you still really resent all Germans, Italians, Japanese, Vietnamese... Sounds to me like you're looking for pretty flimsy historical excuses to harbor resentment against the French. But again, explain the relevance to me...? By the way, it took the US two years to join in the fight against Hitler. But, as a citizen of a country that was there from the start, I forgive you. See how easy that is?
Bush: world's strongest moron by Mr. Impossible	Apr 24th, 2003 09:14:58 PM
This guy is already a legend. Greatest warmonger ever to dodge the draft. Governor who made fun of deathrow inmate begging for her life. Can't construct a sentence on his own unless he is angry. But the fact that he starts wars around the world, almost toppled Nato, the UN, the European Union, strained relations with the conservatice pro-US Chirac government, all that is nothing compared to his greatest legacy: destroying 5000 years of world history. Not even the Taliban or the Mongols or the Vizigoths could do that. Rare statues, the national library, and perhaps missing pieces of the first epic Gilgamesh--all lost or looted--and the best part is that if you asked illiterate Bush about it--he would assume the statues were from a home and garden shop.
Liberal, conservative, who gives a shit, you soul-less bastards. by Smeg For Brains	Apr 24th, 2003 10:06:24 PM
Since when has all life been boiled down to "liberal vs. conservative"? Your entire lives revolve around what someone else says you should be like. You side up with one or the other, and then change yourself to fit in with what that "side" has dictated you be. Try being yourself, and thinking for yourself. Make up your own mind, for Christ's sake. There is nothing more pathetic than people arguing over whether the media is conservative, or liberal. Give it a fucking break. Quit spouting the party line and try using your brain for a change. There are much more important things going on than your piddly little piss matches. All they do is draw attention away from the actual important things going on, that people should actually be worried about.
I would also like to personally thank the French. by Smeg For Brains	Apr 24th, 2003 10:21:35 PM
To any French person reading this, thank you for being the reason America exists today (though I'm sure you are now rethinking your part in our creation, considering that we are now starting WWIII). Thank you for using your naval fleet to destroy the British reinforcements that Cornwallis was waiting for at Yorktown, thereby causing him to surrender. Thank you for sending French soldiers, who comprised 30% of the American revolutionary Army. All in all thank you for providing our forefathers with help, without which America would definitely not exist today. And remember that any American who bashes you for not buckling to our pressure, and for doing what you think is right, is just an ignorant person with no knowledge of their own history. Saddly they are the majority at this time.
Liberal, conservative, who gives a shit, you soul-less bastards. by Smeg For Brains	Apr 24th, 2003 10:25:16 PM
Since when has all life been boiled down to "liberal vs. conservative"? Your entire lives revolve around what someone else says you should be like. You side up with one or the other, and then change yourself to fit in with what that "side" has dictated you be. Try being yourself, and thinking for yourself. Make up your own mind, for Christ's sake. There is nothing more pathetic than people arguing over whether the media is conservative, or liberal. Give it a fucking break. Quit spouting the party line and try using your brain for a change. There are much more important things going on than your piddly little piss matches. All they do is draw attention away from the actual important things going on, that people should actually be worried about.
Actually FTF by BlackBeltJones	Apr 25th, 2003 04:52:44 AM
We were attacked by Japan Dec 7, 1941. Since they were allied with Germany and Italy (hence the title Axis powers) and we declared war on the country of Japan, we also were declaring war on Germany and Italy. Mind you, we had an actual formal declaration of war from Congress to go to war. The last time that we actually declared a war the proper way according to the Constitution of the United States. Saddam Hussain is an evil man, I will not disagree. But when the emphasis of pre-emptive strike is based on subjective evidence, it is against the greater good. No WMD have been found. They may be some day, but the longer it goes without finding them, the more resentment will be brought upon our troops who will bear the brunt of retalliation. As for Liberal vs. Conservative, it is irrelevant in today's society. Clinton was a moderate. Bush, Sr was a moderate. Liberals vote for conservative causes every day as conservatives vote for liberal causes everyday (case in point, current stimulus package). Sorry for the rant. Please agree or critizise with me because that is what America is all about. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death" - Voltare. The Belt Has Spoken
Deep breath gentlemen by Heleno	Apr 25th, 2003 05:11:22 AM
And let me clarify a few points for you. First of all, there is no such thing as a left wing party in the States. The Democratic party is central at best. There is also no such thing as a left wing media in the States, for much the same reason. The closest the States gets to liberalism is on West Wing. Secondly, the war was illegal. Full stop. Under the UN Charter and international law as a whole, UN Security Council approval is needed before any military action is taken. There was no such approval. That makes the war illegal and the US in breach of international law (but there is, regretably, nothing new there). So you can argue till the cows come home about whether the news is liberal or conservative, but it makes bugger all difference to the facts.
I AM A CUT, GREEK GOD! by HULKOUT100	Apr 25th, 2003 05:42:06 AM
I AM THE HOTTEST MAN IN AMERICA! WOMEN START MY BATHWATER! THAT IS ALL!
FTF by Heleno	Apr 25th, 2003 06:57:56 AM
Hmmm, moral high ground? Surely the point is not what the English did 100 years ago, but the fact that we as a species are supposed to have learnt since then. And for the record I am Irish so don't give me any crap. I am with the Voltaire quoter above - you have the right to spout shit - I mean, state your opinion., but that doesn't mean that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong or lying.
Poodle...piss poor arguement by Shepdog	Apr 25th, 2003 08:16:57 AM
Just like a poor debater, you argue from the anecdotal rather than statistical evidence (even with the margin for error). "...give me quotes, quotes, quotes..." I'm an independant, but it's clear to me that televised news is basically left and radio is dominated by the right. No mystery there.
Time to go shave a poodle...... by ROMANWEB	Apr 25th, 2003 02:37:05 PM
Buddy! let the anger go and find a new favorite word because after the second "lie" we pretty much understood on how you feel about conservatives. Jeees! lol! You're so full of hate that you can't even come to grips with your baseless rants. Just as there are Republican stereotypes you more than fit that near sided, hateful Liberal rhetoric.(this applies only to the extreme). Who ever said the America wants to put the world under it's thumb? Back it up. Where's the proof that the US is killing innocent women and children in Iraq when it's been documented by the UN that Sadamm has been doing that on his own for 30 years. Is the proof in the 150 kids that the US and coalition forces freed from Sadamms prisons? Was the proof in those Iraqis screaming and dancing in the streets thanking the US for freedom? Or are merely one of those college elitist whose education hasn't caught up with you ideology of the world. Or could it just be Bush hasn't given you a reason to even doubt him other than the fact he's a republican?
You Americans... by Bastard Bunny	Apr 25th, 2003 03:20:50 PM
God, I hate you people. You go on and on and fucking on about "freedom" and you're the most vile and repressive country in the Western world by a long chalk. You have over 2 million people (mostly ethnic minorities) in prison, you execute juveniles and mental retards, your "president" is a moronic, cowardly, drink-drive, coke-head, draft-dodging failure who "won" the election by virtue of his Daddy's money and influence and his brother disenfranchising black people in Florida, you had slavery into the 1860s and virtual slavery for another hundred years after that, you dropped atomic bombs on Japanese civilians then lecture the world on nuclear proliferation while you maintain the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and threaten to bomb North Korea if it develops its own bomb, you undermine democracy around the world if it suits your purpose to do so... let me tell you about another September 11th - the one in 1973. Not familiar with it? No, of course not, you're American after all and therefore ignorant. It was the date when the democratically elected president of Chile, Salvador Allende, was overthrown and murdered by a CIA-engineered military coup which ushered in many years of US-backed fascist rule during which thousands of political prisoners were tortured and murdered. But of course that was "America's backyard" so you can do what you like there can't you? And just the general tone of American life, your cretinous culture, your brainless right-wing flag-waving and "God bless america" shite, your disgusting burgers which taste like industrial slurry and, of course, Freedom Fries! Fuck you and God bless Osama.
Bastard Bunny, there are other methods to discipleship than reso by ROMANWEB	Apr 25th, 2003 03:32:01 PM
So kindly take your toungue from Osama's ass and take your shit talk somewhere else you commy coward!
That's your propaganda Poodle.... by ROMANWEB	Apr 25th, 2003 04:29:59 PM
ABC news reporting always has an angle in their views as they tend to lean left. That's no surprise. Just as easy you call propaganda from what I believe in I can turn around and say the same on ABC's reporting. IT's leftist Propaganda!SO who's right and who's wrong here. What make's your views so right and "Truthful" as opposed to my "Zombie state of mind" views? Step back and think just how hypocritical your statements are. Besides anyone who calls it the "Bush Regime" and use terms as "Mass Slaughter"(which is laughable, cause again it's baseless)I can't take seriously. That's all hate rhetoric thats used up and pointless to argue cause you'll never see it any other way. Sure I may be Republican(which I'm thinking you're not)but there are those who belive because you are a conservative you automatically must be a Redneck,bible weilding, gun loving hunter who's a corporate miser racist! Sure there are those who fit the description but to generalize a party in that catagory and as bunch of war mongers is ignorant. Just as you are. See waht I did? I can do it to. See how rediculous I can be?Besides if you truly knew how the Electoral College votes in a Presidential Election you'd quit with that rediculous "Selected" not "Elected" argument. There were three recounts and they all favored Bush. The way you went about that nonsense only reinforces my notion that you're not a Republican and didn't vote for Bush. And you have to "Honestly" ask yourself one thing, Are those Iraqis better off without Sadamm?
Thanks Bastard Bunny. You tell it like we are. by Smeg For Brains	Apr 25th, 2003 05:49:55 PM
As an American I see nothing wrong with what Bastard Bunny said (except for the God Bless Osama part. C'mon, it's Allah bless Osama. Seriously Fuck Osama in his rich, spoiled, privileged little brat ass. He's no better than Bush). As a non- American you know everything that most Americans don't know about their own country. You are like the person who can look at a big mouth obnoxious asshole in a bar, and realize they are the asshole that you and everyone else in the bar sees, while while we are that person who goes on thinking they are cool as ice, while everyone wishes they were dead. Americans who are afraid to see their country as anything but perfect are UNPATRIOTIC COWARDS. People who are willing to stand up and say that what we are doing is wrong are the ones who actually care about our country and it's future. Me I gave up the day that we let that fucker steal the election. The way I see it is that we no longer live in a free democracy, and are all going down the drain, and eventually our new evil empire building ways will come back and bite us in the ass. All you so called patriotic flag wavers are doing is helping speed up the process, so that I have to see the end of our short lived little nation, rather than my kids or grandchildren.
Mtoast, I am confused. We where talking about the media. . . by McCormic	Apr 25th, 2003 06:11:31 PM
. . . not the Pope. Oh and by the way, this Pope is widely recognized as being on of the liberal Pope's in modern times. Not that I think he opoises the war on poltical basis. I think he's against it because he is a man of peace.
Need more proof that there is a conservitive bias? Don't take my by McCormic	Apr 25th, 2003 06:21:41 PM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ tv/aptv_story.asp?category=140 1&slug=TV%20War%20Coverage And before you go saying that, the NBC reporter was just FOX snipeing read the rest of the artical.
No Poodle, noone can be intelligent unless they agree with you. by ROMANWEB	Apr 25th, 2003 06:36:51 PM
lol! That about sums up your ignorant rhetoric. And buddy I do mean ignorant!!! I give you questions that you won't bring yourself to answer because it challenges your beliefs and thinking process. Which is obviously 2 dimensional. I"m going to challenge some more of you what you use for a brain with some questions Like: If you're so pissed off we went into Iraq without the okay of the UN, were you this angry when CLinton totally bipassed the UN,in 98 when we went in to Kosovo and Haiti? Was it bloody murder and mass slaughter when CLinton echoed what President Bush has been saying for six months about getting rid of Sadamm then shot some missles into Iraq in that same year?NOw come on be consistent. Or how about resolution 1441(which was unanimously signed by the UN) states that Sadaam must comply and adheir to it's policy, without material breach, or face dire consequences. Iraq breached it 12 times in the span of 4 months! Why was the UN sooooo determined not to follow throught with their own resolution?? Maybe for the same reasons the didn't follow through with other resolutions against Sadaam for 12 years. If you had half a brain to think with you'd realize the UN is worthless and made up of Communist and Socialist dictators who do nothing more but fleece America of it's money for world causes and keep themsleves rich and powerful by pocketing it. Open you feeble eyes pin head! I guess you'd rather be spoonfed emotion rather than logic. I guess when Collin Powell presented a taped phone conversation between Sadams guards to the UN flat out saying they evacuated materials from the inspectors that was all made up huh? But like I said you'd rather dismiss it and feed off emotional idiocy to suit your view. Sorry to tell you but it's you who's braindwashed and nothings more funnier or sad than an idiot who rants and raves the way you do with nothing to back it up. You merely demonize Bush because you hate him. I'll ask you again you peevish, little bohemian, are Iraqis better off without Sadaam being in power?? You know that guy who gased 300,000 kurds, tortures women and children, hated the US..... But then again why bother. To you the world will always be a dismal place and as long as theres something to complain about you'll go on complaining. Hey at least I'm a hell of alot happier than you loser!!!!!
It seems like everyone stopped posting here. . . by McCormic	Apr 26th, 2003 06:22:20 PM
And I still have great exaples of media bias to share. . . hum. I'll wait.
Followup to FTF by BlackBeltJones	Apr 27th, 2003 04:19:26 AM
FTF, I would agree that the Germans would of be much happier if Japan had not attacked us. We as a country would of been just has happy to ignore Hitler and just funnel weapons to Britan. However, Japan was in an alliance with Germany and Italy (just as bad as the French when it comes to jumping sides in a war). And an attack from Japan was an attack from all according to that alliance. I can just imagine the look on Hitler's face when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Probably smug due to the fact that they pulled it off, but horrified that the Americans were going to jump into the war. As for Iraq, we claimed the basis for conflict (not war, due to no Congressional declaration) was Weapons of Mass Destruction and Regime change. WMD have not been found, as of yet (have to stress that because they could still be found) and we as a country have always been shakey at Regime change (see Saudi Arabia, Most South American nations, Panama, Nicaragua among others). I will say this in closing: If President Bush wants to win the 2004 elections, it will hinge on finding WMD and a successful regime change. The Belt Has Spoken
question for Bastard Bunny by m2298	Apr 27th, 2003 08:55:36 AM
Mr. Bunny, why are so many people trying to get into the U.S. and so few rushing to leave it?
I'd rather go on a liberal side than a conservative side by Tall_Boy	Apr 28th, 2003 03:31:47 PM
because you know then you don't DIE!
I'm not BastardBunny but I'll answer. by McCormic	Apr 28th, 2003 06:14:44 PM
Because we have the best economy in the world and because our living conditions are the best. The people of the world do dislike us, but they dislike not being able to drink clean water more.
Why do they hate us? by McCormic	Apr 28th, 2003 06:37:18 PM
This is not exactly an example of media bias, although the US media's lack of coverage on this story should be telling. What this is, is a very important story that everyone in this contry should be made aware of. So your people, in this country, so read it. From www.thismodernworld.com "Remember all the shouting about humane treatment of prisoners, particularly concerning public humiliation? This isn't getting a lot of play here in the U.S., but U.S. soldiers reportedly stripped four Iraqi men naked, burned their clothes, and paraded them through a Baghdad park." http://www.dagbladet.no/nyhete r/2003/04/25/367175.html "My Norwegian is generally pretty skrekkelig, but Amnesty International is pretty good with foreign languages, and they say a US officer referred to the practice of stripping suspects, scribbing 'Ali Baba -- thief' on their chests in Arabic, and then marching them around with their testikkelen out like a bunch of nakenmodellen as 'an effective method' that 'will be used again.'" http://web.amnesty.org/library /index/engmde140972003

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