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Why No MIRACLES review, Dick? by Zod_Is_Back	Mar 4th, 2003 03:07:36 AM
I hope ABC doesn't cancel this show.
get off it man by mpfanatic	Mar 4th, 2003 03:11:44 AM
geez its not a miracles talkback so stay out, it sucks and it will be cancelled by the end of april
umm, she didn't exactly turn down the sequel by Demosthenes2	Mar 4th, 2003 03:18:41 AM
it's what they call a sequel clause, right?
balcony scene by nny777	Mar 4th, 2003 03:20:05 AM
It may not have been completely true to her character, but the balcony scene is my favorite Spike scene ever. That scene did a superb job at showing his evil side reminding us how messed up Buffy's relationship with him was.
Ill miss you! by BuffyKat	Mar 4th, 2003 03:50:42 AM
Just saying my formal 'goodbye' to Buffy. You've been great and will be missed. But I must admit it is time to move on. Don't get me wrong, these past few series have still been great but in my oppinion, Buffy really peaked arounds seasons 2 and 3.
Faith, Willow, Love, by FEENXFIRE	Mar 4th, 2003 03:54:32 AM
Please?
Season 6 was bad for a number of reasons by Spike fan	Mar 4th, 2003 04:54:38 AM
An interesting Dark Willow storyline that could have lasted 2 seasons ended up Willow the crack whore consumed by the bad magics. #### No continuity whatso ever between episodes . In one episode Buffy is fine the next she is depressed again.While Spike changed from episode to episode. ##### Simple bad writing some of the episodes themselves were just painful to watch.### Season 7 is not bad like S6 but it is boing 16 episodes have aired and you could edit it down to 7 it is that streched out while Joss is clearly out of ideas so spends his time flooding the show with SITS and Dawn hoping one will work for a spin-off.
RIP Buffy by BRTick	Mar 4th, 2003 05:07:55 AM
hopefully it will live on forever, unlike firefly. whedon is a tv god. The Dark Horse Board Firefly Submission thread: http://www.darkhorse.com/commu nity/boards/topic.tpl?_message ID=406903538092365
March 10,1997 - May 20,2003 by DyslexicHeart	Mar 4th, 2003 05:32:27 AM
Yep, the six year anniversary of BtVS first airing is just a few days away. I remember liking the movie when it came out in 1992, because I liked vampire movies, had a crush on Kristy Swanson and was only ten at the time. Fast forward five years, I'm in high school and had read about this new show based on the vampire movie in Cinescape. I was interested because this new show starred both my adored Kendall from AMC and Charisma "The Best Part of Malibu Shores" Carpenter. Sex appeal, I know typical but I was fifteen at the time. I finally catch the pilot episode (Hellmouth and Harvest) on WGN the weekend after it's first airing, it was re-ran because there was a rain out of a Cubs exhibition game. Needless to say it was the best television based thing to ever happen to me. I remember what episode of Buffy aired the week I lost my virginity, got my driver's license, graduated high school, got fired from a job for the first time, proposed to my girlfriend. I have a stack of vhs tapes that encompass the entire mutant enemy regime and bought a dvd player when BtVS season one became available in the US. The end of Buffy is a sad thought, but I shall move on happy that we got it while it was here. And thus ends my slightly drunken, insomniac rant.
sniff sniff sniff by nicole	Mar 4th, 2003 05:33:40 AM
this is my show. this is the first, and only (apart from angel) show that i've ever gotten extremely obsessed about, and now it's ending. well, better they end while they're on top. I love SMG, love her EW interview and how she handled all those questions. yes, season six was bad for many fans, but when push come to shove, this series gave us MUCH more good than bad. hell, even the dreck of the season that was season 6 had what was easily the best single episode to come out of any show last season - the musical. good bye, BtVS. you will be missed.
Just a thought by tbransonlives	Mar 4th, 2003 06:28:26 AM
But wouldn't a 5th season for Angel mean a not so fairy tale ending for he and Buffy?(hope so) *Possible minor SPOILER ahead* Anyone have any info on who was cast as the new character, Caleb?
Sex on the balcony?!? by bwboy	Mar 4th, 2003 06:41:44 AM
I don't remember Buffy and Spike having sex on a balcony while watching their friends- can anyone tell me what episode that happened in? Is SMG confusing that scene with something else? I remember Spike and Anya having sex on a table in the Magic Shop while everyone was watching THEM, but not a balcony scene. Thanks!
Calebs casting by FatXander	Mar 4th, 2003 07:18:50 AM
Caleb is to be played by........... Sisqo! I'm serious. Check out TVtome. i feel kind of dirty and nauseous.
Bye Bye Buffy by Smutmaster	Mar 4th, 2003 08:30:37 AM
Just wanted to add deepest regrets from this side of the pond at the sad loss of Buffy. All will be missed. May they rest in peace.
Season 6 was wonderful! by 1013nomore	Mar 4th, 2003 08:36:08 AM
I know many people hated it, including Ms. Gellar. As the article explained, Joss told her it was about what people naturally do in their early 20's. They make bad choices and screw things up while finding their way as REAL GROWN UPS. It was very consistent with the overall theme of the show--MATURATION. While people are maturing THEY DON'T BEHAVE CONSISTENTLY! Some fans (and actresses) want to freeze time and have the same thing happen over and over. The show has always been about consequences of action or inaction--and accepting responsibilities for the use of a person's gifts. The show isn't about Sarah Michelle Gellar's road to maturity. It's about a fictional character's road to maturity. It's only natural that a person playing a part might not like some of the things the character does. That doesn't mean it's wrong for the character, and it doesn't mean it's wrong for an actress to have an opinion about the direction of "her" character.
A year earlier? by 93curr	Mar 4th, 2003 08:52:24 AM
Oh yeah, the balcony scene was in 'Dead Things'. (I thought that Buffy being out of character was the whole point of season six, no? Am I missing something?) But, Tara was supposed to die a year earlier? So Will was supposed to turn evil when Glory was trying to open the portal? That would have made for an awfully busy end to season five. And how, exactly, would Joss have gotten Buffy out of the grave for season six?
The balcony... by godric	Mar 4th, 2003 09:04:22 AM
I think Sarah is referring to the scene with she and Spike on the upper part of the Bronze, while all the Scoobs were below.
"Without question, BUFFY will live on for generations to come." by 433	Mar 4th, 2003 09:08:44 AM
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA! What on Earth? It's a show filled with so many pop-culture references that new watchers won't get many of the jokes in five years, let alone a generation to come. SMG is an icky actress whose inability to do her own fight scenes (and subsequent "from behind" fight editing) hurt the show beyond measure. I don't understand why people with normally great taste love this show so much.
You want Miracles? by GenericGeek	Mar 4th, 2003 09:17:14 AM
The Miracle is that we got Buffy for 7 seasons. And we should be forever grateful for it. I've liked lots of TV shows before, but just a select few matter enough to change lives, and I think Buff was one of those. Hail Team Whedon! Season 6 ruled, but Season 7 reigns supreme!
Season 6 was fantastic by Veidt	Mar 4th, 2003 09:17:36 AM
It's not surprising that SMG didn't appreciate a season that revolved around her character gaining complexity, making mistakes and being self-destructive and confused. But when the series as a whole is judged in years to come, Season 6 will be rediscovered as one of the show's strongest years. If anything I think last year should've stood as the series finale. It brought real change to the characters and forced them to deal with life and their own shortcomings in the adult world. In contrast, this season has felt very anti-climatic. It's not terrible but it does feel forced at this point and it's definitely time for all involved to bow out gracefully.
Season six was a blessing from the Gods by Stoney-321	Mar 4th, 2003 10:11:15 AM
First off, big Homer-esque drool for the visual of Spike slooowly banging Buffy on the balcony at the Bronze. Major collateral for the spank-bank. Second the whole season was so complex and true to actual people discovering themselves, grieving, making bad dating decisions, etc. And three cheers to the Geek Triumvarate. Good stuff all around. Can't wait for the DVD....
Sarah didn't talk about her ass nearly enough. by Gellar's Ass	Mar 4th, 2003 10:14:04 AM
It would have made for a better article.
Season 6 was the weakest, but I still watched... by Damitol	Mar 4th, 2003 10:20:28 AM
Just a quick note to say that with the cover of EW I got Friday, made me a little sad, even though we all knew it was coming. Just to throw in my 2
miracles is back yeah! by radjac29	Mar 4th, 2003 10:31:52 AM
"tommy says hi"
Season 6ex was the most putred ball of vile vomitous anal extrem by BannthisUcommies	Mar 4th, 2003 11:53:23 AM
hoping against hope that it could redeem itself. It didn't. The only reason Season 7 seems so good is because ANYTHING is an improvement. I used to think it was a lack of attention from Wendon that made 6 so bad, but hes had even less time this year and its much better. Plus theres Angel which grows mindnumbingly better every week (without the Wendon 4 the most part). So maybe he's just lost it.
Miracles is indeed awesome by Blok Narpin	Mar 4th, 2003 12:04:58 PM
What a show. As much as I'll miss Buffy, at least we have Miracles now. That will ease the pain in some small way. As for season six -- it was quite good. Once More with Feeling, Tabula Rasa, Dead THings, Seeing Red, VIllians, and Two to Go/Grave were among the best episdodes of the series. I think the weakest seasons so far were seasons 1 and 2. The show was little more then a monster of the week show back then. In Season 3 it started to get more epic in tone. The stories felt bigger and more important. That carried over into season 4, which has most of the series best episodes (Hush, Fear Itself, Something Blue, A New Man, The Yoko Factor, etc.). Then as good as season 4 was, season 5 was even BETTER. The came six. Six is probobly the weakest season since season 2, but still better then 1 and 2, and some damn fine episodes. It's not that 6 was bad, but 3,4, and 5 were a heck of a run and hard to beat. Now, however, season 7 is blowing all the others away. This is the best season they ever had. It doesn't get any better then this.
FINALLY ......... by chani	Mar 4th, 2003 12:07:33 PM
.........it is over............
SMG's favorite eps by Jrzlee	Mar 4th, 2003 12:09:53 PM

SMG's favorite eps: by Jrzlee	Mar 4th, 2003 12:19:51 PM
Herc, you forgot to mention her favorite eps that were listed in the EW article. SMG stated that she loved "The Prom". It stood for everything Buffy was about: the fact that she so badly wanted to be part of the other kids' lives. "The Body", the ep in which Buffy and Faith switched, (she thought Eliza was great in this) and she said, "also when Buffy realizes she has to kill Angel and she kills him and he comes back". The last one sounds to me that she liked that story arc, since, obviously Angel was not killed and then returned in the same ep. Interesting article.
Caleb by TheSecondEvil	Mar 4th, 2003 12:21:29 PM
This whole fallen preacher idea, makes me think that he might be a supporting character in a possible Buffy spin off.
Sorry if I confused ya, by Jrzlee	Mar 4th, 2003 12:31:32 PM
In my post, looks like I"m saying that "The Body" was the ep in which Faith and Buffy switched. Did not mean for it to read like that. They're two different favorite eps of SMG according to the EW article.
Rumors of a Spin Off by Electric_Monk	Mar 4th, 2003 01:36:03 PM
What I've heard is, now that the Faith series is a no go, Whedon will be turning to our favorite witch. A Willow series seems the next step, and as long as it doesn't go all Sabrina, this could work. And if they do a Willow series, don't look for until the 2004-2005 TV season. My guess is if Joss can convince the WB to renew Angel for season five, he could spend a year laying the ground work for a spin off. Of course, one might ask what advantage the WB would have if Whedon offers this Willow idea to UPN? I'm not sure of the answer. However, taking a year off, focusing on Angel -if the WB renews it - and then launching Willow in 2004 would be smart. It would give the Buffy fans a chance to remember the show with out being forced (like Star Trek has done) to suddenly like a new show. Plus he would have a year to really set the story in motion. BTW, Angel should be renewed. This show has gotten better and better -despite some of the behind the scenes problems.*************Miracles : Oh, I love this show. The last five minutes was creeeeeeppppppyyyyy good. Though, in my gut, I feel ABC will cancel this wonderful show. It's sad, because while all that reality crap is good for short term profits, shows like Miracles will have a longer life. It's just too bad network excutives think that the key to success relies on stupid-ass reality programs that make me feel embarassed to watch TV altogether.
Pylea??? by zer0cool2k2	Mar 4th, 2003 01:48:50 PM
There's an Angel sidebar in the EW issue that discusses how the cast finally gelled during filming of the episodes where the gang gets sucked into Pylea. It mentions that that mini-arc was actually a last minute idea concocted by Joss when certain guest star negotiations fell through, altering the planned current (at the time) storylines tobe cut drastically short. Anyone have any idea what that's all about? Something with Eliza? Or more likely, with Julie Benz, although I can't imagine why she'd say no. Or was it Christian Kane? I honestly can't remember at this point what was going on just before the Pylea trip......... ......Oh, and Buffy, I'm gonna' miss ya'. Seven years, probably the second longest relationship with a female I'll ever have.
Kinda Confirms SMG Ain't Too Bright by Mr. Smegma	Mar 4th, 2003 01:57:31 PM
Pains me to say that, cuz it takes her hotness levels down a few pegs, but that scene with Spike on the balcony was one of the few that absolutely kicked ass in S6. (And I don't hate that arc either, it just was kinda slow in spots and you could tell the writers didn't really know where they were headed.) And it wasn't sex sex, either. Just some grind with some implied nubbin' rubbin'. Right there Buf had to decide to choose the world of light and humans. It took a while, but she did. She rejected the dark and the easy pleasure she used to mask her pain. The scene doesn't work if it is just some speech-a-fyin. ---Oh, and a Willow spinoff will never fly. Out.
spinoff toss offs by Regenhund	Mar 4th, 2003 02:23:35 PM
As much as I like Spike, he really would be redundant on Angel, and I don't bvelieve the charcter is strong enough for his own show. On the other hand, if he lost his soul and Buffy finally rejected him, he might blame Angel and make an excellent big-bad in LA for a season! Willow could do a witchy themed show or move to Angel with no problem. Xander could easily make the cut of Willowvision, but would be completely out of place in Angel's LA. We already know that Emma C. is quitting Anya. If her career doesn't take off I could see her going to Angel, but she couldn't carry her own show. Hmm, okay maybe a spinoff with Willow, Xander, Connor, and a reformed Amy. I could see Spike in there, too, if he survives the season finale.
The Balcony in the Bronze by Masher	Mar 4th, 2003 02:27:56 PM
So that WAS sex on the balcony. It didn't look like Spike was doing much more than grabbing her privates. Now I hear it was full-blown sex. That Spike must be quite a contortionist. I must go back an review the footage.
I'm already done with Angel by 1013nomore	Mar 4th, 2003 02:41:21 PM
Despite what some describe as better and kickass episodes of late, I've already tuned out of Angel. When a show goes as wrong as Angel has (with casting a soppy soap opera plots), I can no longer suspend disbelief. I start seeing the seams instead of the garment. So when Buffy goes, I won't be turning to Angel for solace. I wish I didn't have to say that. I really liked Angel a lot up until the first 7 episodes of this season. I think I liked the episode with Gwen the electric girl, but even that had weaknesses. Cordy and Connor sleeping together was the point of no return for me. It was the moment where I said, "That's it. I'm out."
Waiting til 2004 by ArchDiver	Mar 4th, 2003 02:54:36 PM
This would be perfect! Cuz by then, Dushku's series will have tanked and she will be available for "Faith, the Cleavagey Slutbomb!"....mmmmm..... Faith! AD out
Faith, F-Faith, Fu-Faith..... by zer0cool2k2	Mar 4th, 2003 04:28:19 PM
I kinda' read that into the "waiting for 2004" realm of possibilities too, although it would be pinning a lot of prep time and $$$ into a Faith show, on the hopes of her fox series tanking. Of course, I'd put my money down on that show not making a full season. I'm not sure how they'd make a Willow series fly, or if AH would even want to be tied down to one. And I agree that a Spike series seems like it would be Angel redux, but with little fear of Marsters becoming portly. But Joss always seems to find a way. Hell, maybe he can move the whole Head family to the states and do Ripper here. what I'd really like to see though is Faith, Willow, Gwen, Lilah, and Fred in Fox-Force-Five.
Newslayer by sushi316	Mar 4th, 2003 04:36:33 PM
Is it just me or doesnt Faith have to die, for a new slayer to be called? I think they should kill Faith off and start anew with one of the SIT, have principal Wood be a new watcher. Also you would think that if the hellmouth was calling people from all around with its evil energy that those in LA from Angels group would get some tingle. I know, I know, WB & UPN and all, but anyway...
smj is a big jerk by atomheartbrother	Mar 4th, 2003 04:43:33 PM
there. i said it. sure i'm angry that the show is coming to what i consider a premature end, but i can live with 6.5 seasons (yes... 6.5 seasons) so that's not it entirely. it's the fact that she's full of hooey. she's tired and she needs a break... so she signs up for a movie? i know working on movies and working on a tv show are 2 different animals but come on now. and if the show's sooo good this year why wouldn't you try to top it with another year while the getting is still good? this sort of ride only comes along once or twice in a career and i think she's a wanker for not trying to push it even farther (especially since joss whedon obviously has a plan for more).
Season six really wasn't that bad. The ending was fantastic. by a goonie	Mar 4th, 2003 04:49:31 PM
It had Dark Willow and the heartwrenching death of Tara. That alone made it a season worth watching. Interesting comments from SMG here, although I disagree with a few of her words about S6. And I DO wish she had never gotten involved with that bullshit "Scooby Doo." I don't see how Gunn's script could have ever read well. And it's not like actors are clambering to work with Raja Gosnell. Anyways... SMG's still cool. And Joss's final comments ruled.
Just finished watching the new Angel 4.13 Faith Ep by Prozac Man	Mar 4th, 2003 05:01:56 PM
and I must say, THAT WAS FUCKING AMAZING! FIVE STARS! And Faith is not the only guest on the show. Some one from Sunnydale makes an appearance.
All Good Things... by Electric_Monk	Mar 4th, 2003 05:03:26 PM
Everyone makes it sound like SMG is rude and stupid for giving up Buffy. Think of it this way. Working 12 to 14 hours a day over 9 months of production times seven years striaght will make anyone tired. All shows have their time, and Buffy 's time is now. All have pointed to the X Files as a show that went on 2 years too long. Some have even ventured to say Buffy went on that many as well. Movie hours are about the same, but there are many more down hours during production of a movie than a TV series. She's tired, the series is starting to wear a tad thin and if you read between the lines, the actors look bored. Hell, I'll never see Scooby Doo (as a matter fact, I've not seen one of her movies), but I give her kudos for deciding her future instead of some fan who can't or won't except the demise of their favorite show.
I think they Should do a slayer show with the girls from TATU by Prozac Man	Mar 4th, 2003 05:08:14 PM
Have it take place all over Europe. It would be cheaper to produce so they could spend more money on FX. Action, Adventure, and Seventeen Year Old Lesbians!
Terminate Buffy: Good call by Forget_Byron	Mar 4th, 2003 05:22:44 PM
While it pains me to see a show like Buffy go off the air, 7 years is one hell of a run for a tv series, especially one that's had as many problems behind the scenes as BtVS. I think its the right decision, as SMG said, to end the show now rather than when it doesn't have any serious viewers. How many shows out there are still kicking after even 3 or 4 years? Very few make it past the 5 year anniversary. In fact right now I only know of 1 show that started when I was enrolled in the public school system, and that's The Simpsons. Let's face it. Everything SMG said was right on the money, about season 6, about her role as Buffy, and about the importance of ending the show know. Probably the one thing she's thinking about now that she's not saying is that she wants to start a family, meaning kids. Most women I know work hard to burn a lot of weight right before they start trying to get pregnant. And look at SMG. She's looking mighty thin these days. To end, congratulations to the cast and crew of BtVS. It's a well-done show that's had my attention every season since it started, even the terrible, terrible season 6. There were some great themes, but it just seemed rushed at the end. Tara should have died around Christmas instead of three eps before the end of the season.
Good call on ending Buffy by Forget_Byron	Mar 4th, 2003 05:23:25 PM
While it pains me to see a show like Buffy go off the air, 7 years is one hell of a run for a tv series, especially one that's had as many problems behind the scenes as BtVS. I think its the right decision, as SMG said, to end the show now rather than when it doesn't have any serious viewers. How many shows out there are still kicking after even 3 or 4 years? Very few make it past the 5 year anniversary. In fact right now I only know of 1 show that started when I was enrolled in the public school system, and that's The Simpsons. Let's face it. Everything SMG said was right on the money, about season 6, about her role as Buffy, and about the importance of ending the show know. Probably the one thing she's thinking about now that she's not saying is that she wants to start a family, meaning kids. Most women I know work hard to burn a lot of weight right before they start trying to get pregnant. And look at SMG. She's looking mighty thin these days. To end, congratulations to the cast and crew of BtVS. It's a well-done show that's had my attention every season since it started, even the terrible, terrible season 6. There were some great themes, but it just seemed rushed at the end. Tara should have died around Christmas instead of three eps before the end of the season.
HUH?? by Forget_Byron	Mar 4th, 2003 05:24:15 PM
Whats wrong with the TB?
oh boy what a great career move. by yeah i'm a jerk!	Mar 4th, 2003 05:32:15 PM
i mean this chick has a point that the show should end at some point, but the fact that she hasn't really had a hit movie other than shitty doo, makes me think she should have lined up another series. the fact that she didn't want to do scooby, but her lame ass husband thought it would be fun for the kids. give me a break, she is taking career advice from this generation's parker stevenson. i just hope that angel gets to run for a few more seasons, but i hope the sunnydale gang don't show up too much. really, i just want to see xander disappear,unless he loses some weight. i really think eliza should demand to be the lead in the new spinoff. i think this show she's doing for fox will go the way all of the genre shows on fox go. stuck in the friday night timeslot of doom. at least if she was on upn there wouldn't be any reason to shaft it, that network needs hits the way crack addicts need hits.
Failed "guest star negotiations" on Angel Season 2 by jinX	Mar 4th, 2003 06:13:59 PM
that caused the last minute punt of the Pylea arc: Julie Benz left the Mutant Enemy camp when she got cast in the "Glory Days" pilot for the WB by Kevin Williamson (promoted as the first suspense show on the network, brought to you by the creator of Dawsons Creek). They had to scratch the Darla/Druscilla arc with the notAngel/notAngelus Dark Angel that set D&D on fire. I think Juliet Landau also bailed after crossing over to Buffy for an episode. They were only recurring so they were not under contract. Back to Benz, she got the short end of the stick when they replaced her with Poppy Montgomery (currently on "Without a Trace") after the pilot was shot. Didn't make much of a difference as Glory Days got cancelled and Benz returned as Darla the following season. Would have loved to have seen the Darla/Dru story play out.
Season Six big difference by jinX	Mar 4th, 2003 06:24:37 PM
Instead of Buffy starting the season out of sorts with herself and quickly finding her focus and re-affirming herself, as had been the case with nearly every other season, Season 6 spent too much of season with Buffy being lost and not finding herself until near the season's end (after dumping Spike around when she realised she wanted to show Dawn the world, not protect her from it) The Willow Magic arc was heavy handed and the "Dark Willow destroys the world" gambit seemed like a way to shoehorn an apocalypse into the season that would have been better off focusing personal struggles of the Scooby Gang.
Gellar and Jacko by PlantBoy!	Mar 4th, 2003 06:44:16 PM
Word on the street is that SMG left Freddie Prinze Jr. for Michael Jackson. In the words of Gellar, "He makes me feel like I'm his own vampire-killer. When he makes love to me, I feel like a white female mummy [an obvious reference to his disintegrating nose] is fucking me in the ass!"
SEASON 6 was good BUT>>>>> by Bored Man	Mar 4th, 2003 07:05:37 PM
It wasn't buffy. The whole spike/buffy sexual destruction was interesting and good storytelling, but it wasn't what buffy was about. I think that there is a definate barrier that till that point hadn't been broached, and marti noxin just had to flex her muscle and break it. In another show that storyline might be interesting, perhaps something similar on Angel (oh wait, Angel-darla sex. . similar). That just isnt buffy. Tara dying and Willow going crazy with grief WAS buffy. The xander/anya wedding wasn't. Spike getting his soul was retarded. If anything I think that the whole chip/problem thing should have happened in Season 6, and Buffy should have been forced to kill Spike once and for all. The character has no place in the series as another Vampire with a soul. Riley would have been cool to return (sans wife), and contribute to butt kicking. Doublmeeat palace? not cool.
Spike ensouled by jinX	Mar 4th, 2003 08:02:16 PM
Might have been more interesting to turn the whole "demons are irredeemably evil things" notion on its ear by having Spike do good WITHOUT GETTING HIS SOUL BACK. I was more moved by a demonsouled Spike's devotion to Buffy and Dawn than 'I have my sould back now, so I can be a good guy because of it' William.
SMG's comments don't make sense to me by JLB	Mar 4th, 2003 08:09:05 PM
She says Willow was always going to go bad and that she knew Dawn was coming two seasons in advance. She also says that Joss put off Willow's going bad for a year. But how would that have worked? Buffy couldn't have beaten Glory without Willow and with Willow the Big Bad of season 5 what's the purpose of the Key storyline? I mean I can see Willow trying to give Dawn over to restore Tara but while that would be a betrayal I don't think it could be called going bad. I mean she's giving up someone who doesn't really exist to save someone she loves.
AHAHA, shes defending her film career? Simply Irresitable was al by TheMatarife	Mar 4th, 2003 08:12:51 PM
Thank God I haven't seen Scooby Doo yet. I think she has maybe made one or two decent films, was Harvard Man any good? I know Cruel Intentions was supposedly good, and I guess some of her horror films weren't that bad.
season 6 actually is kinda under-rated by nicole	Mar 4th, 2003 09:30:00 PM
season 6, although it's my worst season, isn't actually as bad as i first thought it was. i mean, the first 8 episodes were fine. then the mid-season episodes were fairly crap (though the spuffies, and there are a lot of them out there, loved it), but it ended fairly well... i've surprisingly watched my season 6 videos a couple of times, and as a whole, although that season was definitely buffy's worst, there were still very few shows that i'd rather have watched...
I'll agree that Season 6 was a gift from God. by Voice O. Reason	Mar 4th, 2003 09:37:52 PM
As a resident of Planet Earth for the last 29 years, it is very obvious to me that God enjoys watching people suffer. During Season 6, the audience certainly did its share of suffering.
wheres the angel talkback? kick ass episode!!! by spikendruscilla	Mar 4th, 2003 10:21:28 PM
Faith vs Connor. Faith vs the Beast, pretty much Faith vs everyone. My favorite slayer is back on the scene. Great episode alot of things change, most for the better, one for the worst. Watch it.
This may be a silly ?, But... by Buff_Angel	Mar 4th, 2003 10:47:29 PM
Why do people come on here bitching about the show, bitching about characters, or the actors who play the characters when they don't know enough about the series to even spell names right...or initials for that matter. For whom it may concern, Sarah's initials are SMG, that is G as in Gellar, not J for Jellar. Just an observation. Oh, and just finished watching the first season of Angel on DVD, and the last episode mentioned something about how Angel would become human again when the PTB felt that he had attoned for his sins. Does anyone remember if that was explained in season 2, if the scroll was referring to the time that Angel became human in season 1, ep. 8, or that we have that to look forward to when the series ends. If so, I hope they bring Buffy back for the final ep. so they can finally be together. She still says that she loves him more than she will ever love anyone, so I'm hoping they would give the series and Buffyverse a happy ending. Call me a romantic.
James's not Old!! by buffydame	Mar 4th, 2003 11:45:01 PM
Hey Mister SilverAgent: No way is James Marsters over fourty years old. Now David yeah he's reaching, and has possibly hit it, but to say that James is almost twenty years older than Eliza Dushku is absurd! She's in her late twenties herself!!!
Did I miss something? by DrStrange	Mar 5th, 2003 02:50:32 AM
it mentioned 9 Emmy noms and two wins, one for the undeniable great episode Hush, but i don't recall ANY Buffy noms, in factit's always been a running bit in TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly that Buffy has been so overlooked and never nominated and never once was Buffy at all mentioned in thepres of the time as being nominated for Emmy's. Did the televised Emmy's only show the "Big" awards and not the "smaller" ones? Did they realize their mistake and quietly rewrite a few past awards? Did I blink too quickly? Was it hidden so well that even TV Guide missed it (because they sure;ly would have mentioned any Emmy's Buffy got, being the staunch supporters they are)? If Buffy did get those wins then great but I seem to recall it always being overlooked (nearly religiously overlooked).
Did I miss something? by DrStrange	Mar 5th, 2003 02:57:59 AM
it mentioned 9 Emmy noms and two wins, one for the undeniable great episode Hush, but i don't recall ANY Buffy noms, in factit's always been a running bit in TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly that Buffy has been so overlooked and never nominated and never once was Buffy at all mentioned in thepres of the time as being nominated for Emmy's. Did the televised Emmy's only show the "Big" awards and not the "smaller" ones? Did they realize their mistake and quietly rewrite a few past awards? Did I blink too quickly? Was it hidden so well that even TV Guide missed it (because they sure;ly would have mentioned any Emmy's Buffy got, being the staunch supporters they are)? If Buffy did get those wins then great but I seem to recall it always being overlooked (nearly religiously overlooked).
Did I miss something? by DrStrange	Mar 5th, 2003 03:00:43 AM
it mentioned 9 Emmy noms and two wins, one for the undeniable great episode Hush, but i don't recall ANY Buffy noms, in factit's always been a running bit in TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly that Buffy has been so overlooked and never nominated and never once was Buffy at all mentioned in thepres of the time as being nominated for Emmy's. Did the televised Emmy's only show the "Big" awards and not the "smaller" ones? Did they realize their mistake and quietly rewrite a few past awards? Did I blink too quickly? Was it hidden so well that even TV Guide missed it (because they sure;ly would have mentioned any Emmy's Buffy got, being the staunch supporters they are)? If Buffy did get those wins then great but I seem to recall it always being overlooked (nearly religiously overlooked).
marsters age, dark willow early by jinX	Mar 5th, 2003 07:39:47 AM
I was actually surprised to see that James Marsters is indeed 40! Hs b-day is August 20, 1962 per the imdb. How would Dark Willow have happened a season earlier? Remember when Tara died and Willow went and sucked the magic out of the "Darkest Magicks" books and we all said "Hey thats like the time Willow went after Glory for sucking out Tara's brain!" Well there you go. Willow could have gone dark when Glory lobotimized Tara instead of when Warren killed her. She wouldn't have been a "Big Bad" that season but she could have taken that Bend Sinister after that event.
Hey JinX... by zer0cool2k2	Mar 5th, 2003 09:13:02 AM
Thanks for clearing up the "Guest Star Negotiations" thing about Angel. I too, wish we would have gotten to see the whole Druscilla/Darla thing play out. Darla was always one of my favorite Buffyverse characters. Probably because like Faith, she never stayed around long enough for you to get tired of her.
To Silveragent by Helena	Mar 5th, 2003 09:28:18 AM
Silveragent, everybody knows you have issues with Spike, but that's not a reason to misquote JM's words. According to you he told that "Spike but no other cast member has been assured of a spin-off spot. AND that all other cast members want nothing to do with a spin-off." That's what JM really told last weekend at Seattle Con: Whedon assured him that no matter what spin-ff he does, JM will be in it. There was no talk whether he'll be the lead or a supporting actor. Feel the difference, Silveragent.
Season 6 rocked because... by redguard	Mar 5th, 2003 10:03:27 AM
Season 6 was great for the very reasons SMG was uncomfortable with it... it depicted a very difficult and uncomfortable and even "out of character" chapter of Buffy's life ... also a very believable one given the events of the previous five years! That she was uncomfortable but carried it off so well is to SMGs credit ... I wish her all the best success. (And yeah, I think she rocked in "Cruel Intentions." So there!)
Scraping the tub by EdNarwal	Mar 5th, 2003 11:18:52 AM
I've wondered if the Spuffy balcony scene was a subconscious (intentional?) reference to Boccaccio. In one of his stories in the Decameron an unfaithful wife is "mounted" (Boccaccio's term) from behind by her lover while she is peering down into a large wooden tub the bottom of which her husband is scraping/cleaning. ("Scraping the tub" was a common metaphor for sex in Boccaccio's time.) The husband is unaware of his wife's disloyalty occurring right above him. The the scene at the Bronze is similar. Buffy's tryst (with Spike, which she probably considered disloyalty to her calling and to her friends) went unnoticed as she watched her friends below. Anyway, for SMG and others who thought the scene was wrong, the particular imagery at least has deep literary roots.
caled casting by JackBauer	Mar 5th, 2003 02:38:23 PM
Caleb will be played by none other than our generations favorite actor, Sisqo. Fricking Sisqo!!. I saw it on IMDB, i hope he doesnt ruin our favorite show
duh! by jusbeinme	Mar 5th, 2003 07:15:57 PM
Okay, I was just going to keep my mouth shut, but now 2 people have posted "how could Willow be the bad when Glory was?" They had Glory because Willow wasn't the big bad. If she had been, something else would have killed Tara, and Glory might have shown up during season 6. Events are linked together. Also, I thought season 6 sucked during the season, but now that I look back on it, I think it was a really great season, and something that needed to happen.
I liked season 6 by onetimetalkback	Mar 6th, 2003 02:11:42 AM
Am I like the only person in the world who liked season 6? I didn't care for the Willow stuff, but I thought Buffy and Spike were hot!! I mean Buffy is a hot 20 something and she's not going to have sex? Plus the fact she doesn't get to meet "normal" guys and Spike's bad boy factor, it was bound to happen. I thought it was a totally realistic twist in the story line. The fact SMG didn't like it, I think is odd. I would have thought after 5 years of playing the goody-goody slayer, it would be refreshing to be bad. In the EW article SMG said JW thought it was realistic too, cause a lot of people go through an identity crisis in thier 20s. P.S. I would love to see Buffy end up with Spike. Buffy/Angel is way too dopey and serious, you know like a high school crush?!
'Once More With Feeling' in Dolby 5.1?!?!? by trippyguyuk	Mar 7th, 2003 05:36:28 PM
Yowser. I caught this wee snippet of news when trawling through DVD Bulletin. The episode is due for a stand alone DVD release on April 14 on Region 2. And the retailer stocking the disc has the audio at 5.1! Now, I'm taking a big grain of salt with this as Blackstar (who is the retailer) are pretty poor. But just the thought of Buffy in decent sound at last makes me positively giddy! Why the hell couldn't they have done some re-recording and remastering and whatnot about three season releases ago?! Ahh ... sometimes Region 2 DOES has it's uses. Heh.
Ya see, even Sarah thought Season 6 sucked!! by cooper2000	Mar 7th, 2003 06:50:40 PM
The show was off kilter and characters werent true themselves. Joss dissagreed with her but Sarah, You are Right!!!! // My Question is, why dont we get a finale party up in the San Francisco area?????
the themes of Season 6 are not what made it bad by cooper2000	Mar 7th, 2003 07:25:03 PM
the idea was there but it was the way they executed it and the messy uninteresting writing that made it suck. I got tired of Buffy and spike having sex and then beating the crap out of each other. Buffy was selfish and unlike herself. She wanted Spike one minuted and then called it rape when he wanted her.//Also the Slayer working at a fastfood joint didnt thrill me. When I get home at night, I want to escape from work and paying bills, I dont want to see my favorite heroine depressed all year.// As far as the people on here that are complaining because Sarah is leaving for a movie career, read the damn article. She says she is leaving because she wants the show to end while there is still some creativitiy left. If it had gone on for another 2 years, people would have been complaining it sucked. Good to end it while youre ahead unlike the Trek Franchise and the X-file franchise. Kudos to Geller and Whedon and thanks for taking the high road.
YOU PEOPLE = UNBELIEVABLE! by Angelus54	Mar 7th, 2003 11:49:32 PM
Season 6 was meant to be this way. Maybe Joss took it a little too far, with everything being dark, but it was supposed to be that way. It wasn't supposed to be the cool show that it was from season 2-5 (I have nothing against season 1). A while back, someone who hates this show posted, during Hercs post of "Buh-Bye Buffy." The Tao of Joe wrote, "I mean think about it, after someone returns from the dead twice, and people have their hearts broken in relationships with evil beings, there is nothing to take seriously. I mean living and dying would be trivial. There would be no reason for sadness or emotions. If someone died, my response, in their situation would be, what is death but something we could come back from? " Then, someone named Narky posted "----wow, thanks a lot genius. what do u think Season 6 was??" Well, that is what season 6 was. It was to show how coming back from the dead always has consequences and it is not easy. THings are really screwed up. Buffy was screwed up mentally, etc. I admit that during season 6, I was getting a little mad since the show didn't have its hip humourous fun, but Joss did that for a reason, and maybe he went a little too far, and if the ratings went down, that was just a step of the journey. Season 6 was not bad...I used to think it was, but if you look back at it, it was a wonderful season. Only thing I am wondering is...Joss thinks happy endings are boring..but doesn't he think that sad, brutal endings are boring, after they are done over and over again. I mean people keep dieing, a relationship cant last...will he ever let someone be happy ever after. I mean, he might think its boring to have happy relationships...but the bad, sad, brutal ones are sort of getting repetetive. (Does any1 also notice Cordelia is a slut, lol...All her boyfriends from highschool..Xander, Weasley, Doyle, Groosalug, Angel, Conner, the Beast)...and when she realized that it was not the end of the world, she should of taken a pill to stop the baby from coming (unless evil Cordy wanted the baby on purpose).....i mean, those things work up to 72 hours after... Anyways, I'm done talking about that, now I have something else to say. In the Angel (does anyone notice that Angel keeps getting better and better..) episode, "Supersymmetry" Fred uses Dr. Sydel's books to send him through the portal...I know Joss and the staff would not want to use this, because it would make everything so easy..but, that is a solution... They did it on the beast, and it did not work, but it could work on others. They could have sent the uber vamp to another dimension, even glory and every other big bad for that matter....just a thought :
by Exalay	Mar 8th, 2003 03:45:44 PM

DB Woodside by Exalay	Mar 8th, 2003 03:46:29 PM
Just saw this on Dark Horizons: "DB Woodside ("Buffy") is about to sign up to play Danny Glover's son in a still-untitled drama on CBS apparently.
Manuwalde... by FlickChick	Mar 9th, 2003 09:28:06 AM
No, you're the only one who didn't see that as completely obvious.
Sisqo's not Caleb, idiot by Misled_Youth	Mar 9th, 2003 10:37:51 AM
I can't believe you actually believed something posted on IMDB. I could go on there and claim that SMG will have an orgasmic threesome with willow and Faith and some people would still believe it. Caleb will be played by that dude from Firefly, Nathan Fillion. Also, I guess Joss still wants these actors near him because an actress from Firefly will play one of the Big Bad/Mini Big Bad's (I still think it's gonna be The First on both shows) on Angel. A "Godlike being" named Jasmine.
My idea for a spinoff... by KOLOBOS REXX	Mar 9th, 2003 03:07:36 PM
...Do a show about "The Initiative". Give it multi-part story-arcs with a mostly revolving cast and a semi-anthological feel. have a few people that would stay on to run things, with various enhanced soldiers and supernatural types waging guerilla warfare against the burdgeoning supernatural forces threatening the world. Characters would live and die, or return when they were needed based on their specialties. I think this sounds cool. Imagine a squad of supersoldiers and occult experts being sent into South Africa to take out a demonic dictator! Groovy!
Buffy's last hurrah by council24	Mar 10th, 2003 02:36:39 AM
To Dr. Strange - Buffy had Emmy nominations for hair and makeup, etc..., but the biggest nom was for Joss's "Hush", which he didn't win. And about SMG's comments on season 6, she said she didn't understand "the mistakes that people make in their twenties when they're trying to figure things out", but wasn't this the same year she got engaged to Freddie Prinze Jr. These two have to be he most mismatched couple since Pamela and Tommy Lee, and she doesn't know about mistakes? You couldn't be any more insecure than those two. And for those people that can't wrap their minds around the idea of Willow going "evil" in season 6 because Glory was the villain, I'm sure the original plan either didn't include Glory being the big bad or she was gonna be a decoy, who'd get offed midway through the season, only to have Willow go all evil at the end of the season. Just my thoughts.
My two cents on Season 6 by council24	Mar 10th, 2003 02:59:07 AM
All through season 6, I listened to everyone bitch about how dark and depressing the show was, and how the sex scenes with Spike and Buffy were just ugly. But the real problem with season 6 was that the writers repeatedly missed their mark. The pivotal episode where Willow goes evil, was a laughable, Afterschool Special-caliber episode about drunk driving. This needed to be one of the most powerful episodes of the season, and it was one of the worst episodes ever. And the writers seemed completely unable to sustain a tone. The season started really dark, then we got bombarded with goofy humor from the Nerd Trio? You can't sustain a dark tone, when half the episodes play like sitcoms. And you can't hit your audience over the head with one depressing storyline after another, when they are tuning in to escape the depressing moments in their own lives. Season 6 may have been the low point of the series, but season 7 has been great, and unlike Sarah, I'd love to see where they could go from here. At it's worst (seasons 4 and 6), we still got episodes like "Hush", "Once More With Feeling", "The Bargaining" and "Normal Again". Even if season 8 wouldn't have lived up to 7, I bet there would have been plenty of good stories to be found. But we'll never know now.
da big bads connection is firefly by radjac29	Mar 10th, 2003 12:49:17 PM
angels beast works for gina torres and nathan fallon's caleb works for the first
RENEW ANGEL FOR SEASON 5!!!!! by Angelus54	Mar 10th, 2003 02:51:35 PM
IF YOU WANT TO RENEW ANGEL FOR A 5th Season, then go to RenewAngel.com The WB is not deciding until May if Angel will go for another season! We may have lost Buffy but it is not too late for Angel! Go to RenewAngel.com and show the WB that you will not let Angel go down this year!
Be grateful by xander1701	Mar 10th, 2003 05:27:00 PM
Hey, I'm new, and I just wanted to say to all the ppl out there who are whining coz Buffy is finishing....GET OVER IT! Be happy that it lasted this long. Remember season 1, that was only 12 episodes long. WHY?! because Buffy was only supposed to be a summer filler TV series. It was fans support that got it through the past 7 years so be grateful that we got it...and don't worry, just go out and buy the vids if you need a buffy dose...if you dont already got em...
Season 6 beats 5... and what about Faith? by mahooba	Mar 17th, 2003 05:22:05 PM
Okay, Season 6 wasn't perfect but it was better than season 5. What happened in Season 5? Nothing. It started with a really great idea (Buffy v Dracula) but then just degenerated into an incredibly miserable soap opera. That whole Buffy's Mom dying of cancer thing was utterly dreary and pointlessly drawn out - how exactly is that entertainment for Chrissakes?! Basically, they missed their best chances with Buffy 5 and 6. What should have happened is Dracula should have stayed on as the Season 5 Big Bad - forget Glory. Dracula should have turned Buffy's mom into a vampire, forcing Buffy to stake her (how's that for dramatic irony?) Then Dracula should have somehow sent Tara crazy, making her into his slave or something. She is ordered to kill Willow - but at the last minute changes her mind and takes her own life instead. This enrages Willow (turning her hair black and stuff) and ultimately, Willow kills Dracula. But it's too late - the power's gone to her head, and Willow stays on course to be the Season 6 big bad. It's obvious... The three geeks could have come into play as a little side-joke, but should NEVER have been the main villains. And the Doublemeat Palace? Do me a favour... But for god's sake they really should have used Faith a bit more. NEWSFLASH: she's the best character! She made Season 3 the best season ever, she was in 2 episodes of Buffy 4, (the BEST ones), 2 eps of Angel 1, (the BEST ones) and now she's just coming back into Angel, guess what? Oh, what a coincidence - it's starting to get good again!!! I can't believe she's just been ignored for three seasons. No wonder Buffy's plummeting out of the ratings. Bring on the Faith spin off - NOW!
buffy by tjbuffyfreak	Jul 7th, 2004 06:31:24 PM
god i cant stand that buffy is over i cant find aney info on the show except the upn site witch dosent help me if ane one has aney in fo on more buffy seasons please let me now

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