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The Greatest Film of All Time' 'Nobody Fs With Da Jesus!' The Feature!!!'''

"Will we see his tongue lick a ball smaller than his head?" by Splinter	Nov 11th, 2002 07:57:50 AM
Harry, tell me that isn't a paedophile reference. Please. For the love of God. If it is, you need a fucking boot in the face my friend.
I Love This Movie but, uh, Isn't This a Bad Idea? by The Feral Kid	Nov 11th, 2002 08:12:37 AM
I mean, really, do we need this? The character is brilliant because he was part of a crazy mosaic - I strongly doubt that a movie with him would be a great idea. I mean, I've never seen a Coen flick I disliked (and I've seen them all) and "Miller's Crossing" is in my top 25 or somewhere where's about, along with "Blood Simple" in the top 250. I want to see "To the White Sea," not a character piece based on a character that was great because we only saw so little of him, like he existed in his own universe, which he sort of did. But I don't think seeing that universe is a great idea. Anyway, I'll see anything that the Coens do and I love that character but dammit, I want fresh ideas and characters - so maybe this will still deliver. I mean, what do you think most people thought when the Coens said they were making a movie about a barber with dry cleaning aspirations or one about a middle aged stoner who likes to bowl, well, at least that's pretty much all he does. So, we'll have to see.
i have a friend in jesus by FafTheHappyPie	Nov 11th, 2002 08:14:24 AM
i do. i hang out at his place an eat corndogs an pizza and drink coke and watch tv. will this movie hurt my friends feelins? will it be blasphemous? how come hes always up on that big wooden thing whenever i come over? "stop eating my corndogs and drinking my coke, you bastard!" says jesus. "hee hee try and stop me all nailed to that big wooden thing!" i say. then he swears a lot. jesus is great.
HELL YEAH! by RawShark	Nov 11th, 2002 08:16:12 AM
The Big Lebowski is one of my favourite comedies ever. It's just endlessly rewatchable and gets funnier every time. Like to hear there'll be a spin-off but will the Dude and Walter make cameos? The only down side is that Jesus is such a disgusting character I don't know if I want to spend a whole film watching him.
HEY! I WAS THE DUDE FOR HALLOWEEN! by Rant_Man	Nov 11th, 2002 08:18:13 AM
This is an awesome idea! I really never thought "The Big Lebowski" needed a sequel...but I never thought of a spin-off. I'm sure it will work. The Coen bros haven't made a movie that has sucked yet...
Say Dude - where is your car? by AJRimmer	Nov 11th, 2002 08:20:01 AM
More words of wisdom- http://www.dymphna.net/randomq uotage/lebowskiquotes.shtml
A JESUS movie? by Nordling	Nov 11th, 2002 08:23:52 AM
I'm all for it. Except for the pederast part.
whoah! by EvilBunnyFrank	Nov 11th, 2002 08:26:08 AM
Big Lebowski is one of my favorites.
solartaco, I really hope you're trolling... by Heleno	Nov 11th, 2002 08:45:53 AM
Cause if not you need to get out more. And I dunno if this will work, but the Coen Brothers have yet to meet a film they can't make, and Turturro is da bomb, so let's hope it works out.
Harry, take your Political commentary...... by ptindy	Nov 11th, 2002 08:46:44 AM
and shove it up your ass! Last Wednesday, you were probably crying like a big baby!! HA HA
The Dem's.......... by ptindy	Nov 11th, 2002 09:30:07 AM
The Blew it, just like Monica blew Bill's cigar!
Shamada and solartaco by WeedyMcSmokey	Nov 11th, 2002 09:30:21 AM
Do you guys really live in fear of Arabic madmen coming to get you while you sleep? Are you that easily won over by low-brow fear-mongering? Relax - we're the only ones totally adept at vaporizing whole nations. We've worked hard at it and perfected the technology.
I think they're more afraid of car-bombs, hijacked planes, and b by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 09:34:54 AM
And rightly so.
Oh, they're in "talks" by WeedyMcSmokey	Nov 11th, 2002 09:35:37 AM
Shit, that doesn't mean much. "Yeah, so me, Joel and Ethan we're getting stoned by the pool and Joel starts talking about how much people recite Jesus' lines at him in public - then Ethan says wouldn't it be cool if there was a just Jesus movie? And me and Joel say, cool." "Then I said wouldn't it be cool if we ordered Chinese food? And Joel and Ethan said, that's cool too." - Ah, colour me a cynic. I don't see this getting made - mostly for the reasons outlined in other talkbacks.
triumph the dog: I don't know about Harry, but pretending to be by FatPaul	Nov 11th, 2002 09:38:50 AM
It works like a charm, but it's kind of necessary. Chicks don't don't really go for mean-spirited anarchists these days. One other thing. SOLARTACO: I'm a little curious. Which fuckheads are trying to vaporize us these days? I can't really picture Iraq "vaporizing" anybody. They couldn't even take out Iran back when they had all those U.S.-supplied chemical weapons. As I remember it, even old Herbert Walker pretty much decided that deposing the military regime in Iraq would be a bad idea. Something about trying to run an unpopular government in an area known for terrorism. Anybody else remember any of this? One thing I will agree with you people on: The Democrats are completely useless. Of course, I'm the kind of guy who thinks that all politicians should be skinned alive like the guy in Red Sorghum.
Oh shit, I said "don't" twice. I really need to proofread my po by FatPaul	Nov 11th, 2002 09:41:13 AM

What are conservatives doing on AICN? by Respect The Cock	Nov 11th, 2002 09:46:16 AM
Isn't all Hollywood full of moralless, soulless whores whose product is single-handedly destroying the nuclear family??? Shouldn't you guys be out making Babs jokes or perpetuating the liberal media myth? And by the way...isn't sending 275,000 young men into harm's way to improve your poll numbers and control Iraqi oil an impeachable offense? Naw...that's reserved for sexual misconduct -- Emperor Bush's imperialism, that's a-OK!!!
I want all these conservatives to go to Iraq right now and die a by Cutter's Way	Nov 11th, 2002 10:37:41 AM
Defend us with your lives against the so-called Axis of Evil. Please! If you idiots idolize our smirking, half-lucid puppet dictator so much, go for the glory - enlist now! You'll be remembered as suckers, oops, I mean heroes forever.
I want all these conservatives to go to Iraq right now and die a by Cutter's Way	Nov 11th, 2002 10:40:56 AM
Defend us with your lives against the so-called Axis of Evil. Please! If you idiots idolize our smirking, half-lucid puppet dictator so much, go for the glory - enlist now! You'll be remembered as suckers, oops, I mean heroes forever.
Wow, who would have thought that the Right wingers on here would by minderbinder	Nov 11th, 2002 12:11:31 PM

Wow, who would have thought that the left wingers on here would by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 12:16:25 PM

Dark Seed 2 by WeedyMcSmokey	Nov 11th, 2002 12:24:11 PM
Oh, you're scared too. When are you guys going to wake up - kill them before they kill us is not much of a foreign policy. Sounds a little, oh I don't know - war-mongery, kill-crazy? And you guys think that they're crazy fundamentalists. Besides all Iraq ever did to the US was accept our weapons and training and then played catch our bombs. And we wonder why our image isn't improving.
That wasn't directed at you, ShimadaKambei... by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 12:25:34 PM
But fuck you too, asshole.
I would love to see this movie... by user id indeed!	Nov 11th, 2002 01:50:57 PM
But only if we see some more of all the other madman that inhabitated that strange, strange, beautiful world. And hey, HI and the missus aren't that far from LA, are they?
I like the idea, but they should film it entirely in Aramaic and by Mister Pink	Nov 11th, 2002 02:45:27 PM
Also, all you whiney little bitch-ass conservatives need to get fucking girlfriends. Who gives a FUCK if he's really a "Junior?" How about this, Fucktard the 1st and Fucktard the 2nd? How's that you little Nazi youth, dittohead cocksmokers? Shouldn't you guys be out bombing an abortion clinic or praying to Jesus or something? I hear the Oakridge boys are in town, I bet you guys have front row seats. Go fondle your guns you assholes.
Viva Le GWB... by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 02:49:17 PM
You're damn right I'm scared of being killed by terrorists. What person in their right mind wouldn't be. And it's not what Saddam might do... it's what he
There is not a shred of evidence that Iraq is a threat to the US by Mister Pink	Nov 11th, 2002 03:07:55 PM
And Junior has repeatedly been caught lying about it. He even got busted fabricating a non-existent report about Iraq's nuclear capability. I don't really blame Junior. He's too fucking coked up and stupid to really be devious. He's basically got Dick Cheney's arm up his ass, working him like a hand puppet. And you know what else. North Korea has da bomb. They hate us. They CAN hurt us. So why doesn't Boy George want to go kick THEIR ass? Cuz they can fight BACK, that's why. The scumbags in the Bush administration don't want a fair fight, they want to go kill some women and babies and then act like tough guys And what the fuck ever happened to Bin Laden? He got away didn't he. He fucked us up the ass and got away with it. Why don't you young republican frat boys give a fuck about THAT? If you're worried about terrorists, then go FIGHT the terrorists. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Hussein's not even a Muslim. Did you know that? Probably not. can you even find Iraq on a map? (here's a hint, it's right next to Iran) Go ahead morons, follow your dipshit leader into an unprovoked attack on innocent people. I hope you all get anthrax up your asses.
North Korea DOEs have nukes... thanks to your poster boy, Bubba by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 03:22:49 PM
Bubba Clinton: "Ya'll don't have no nukes now, do ya?" * North Korean Leaders: "Um... no... no we don't have any nukes. Yeah... that's the ticket!" * Bubba Clinton: "Now ya'll wouldn't be lying to me now, would ya?" * North Korean Leaders: "Bubba... baby... would we lie to you?" * Bubba Clinton: "Well, alright then. Thanks, fellas. Boy, I don't know why all them old military fellas from the 50s were so up in arms about with you guys... ya'll seem a-ok to me. Now excuse me... I have some urgent national matters to attend to. Monica! Monica! Get your pretty little ass in here, girl." *** Who said we were ignoring North Korea. They'll be dealt with to. An Bin Laden is dead, or else we'd have heard or seen from him by now. Nice try.
Bin Laden is alive and well, fucking American white bitches and by Mister Pink	Nov 11th, 2002 03:44:34 PM
And who gives a shit HOW NK got nukes. The point is that they have them and Iraq does not. Therefore N. Korea is a far greater threat to us security than Iraq will ever be. So why aren't we attacking the real threat first? Does it bother you that Bush has been caught lying his ass off multiple times about Iraq's WMD status? Are you really ready to follow a dimwitted, rich boy, draft dodging, AWOL, cokehead, drunk, lying, racist, murdering, Christian fundamentalist corporate toady into war?
I could be worse... by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 03:46:56 PM
He could be a liberal democrat. PSYCHE!!!
Interesting adjectives... let's explore that: by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 03:57:14 PM
dimwitted = Clinton * rich boy = Clinton * draft-dodging = Clinton * AWOL = Not Clinton, because he never enlisted... too busy criticizing the U.S. military while in England during 'Nam * cokehead = Clinton (pothead) * drunk = Clinton (stoned) * lying = Clinton * racist = More minorities in higher positions in GWBs cabinet... but they don't count because they are Republican, is that it? * murdering = Clinton * Christian fundamentalist = Not Clinton... he's Godless * corporate toady = Not Clinton... just a whore for campaign contributions *** Shut the fuck up, Mr. Pink. Finding Bin Laden is now a simple matter of finding the right DNA sample under the right scorched rock. Bush has better things to do than sit around and wait for that to happen.
Pederast by Cory849	Nov 11th, 2002 04:17:51 PM
Jesus Quintana is not NECESSARILY a pederast. He is just RUMOURED to be a pederast. He also is constantly telling people to suck his dick, grabbing his dick, warning he'll fuck people in the ass. I expect a really funny scene with an exceptionally bratty eight year old an an infuriated Quintana wagging his dick at the child with obvious consequences.
I'm there... by the_dead_walk	Nov 11th, 2002 05:09:03 PM
Please God let this be true. As far as I'm concerned, the Coen Brothers can have as much rope as they want. They have never made a bad film, and I can't see them starting now. Vive Quintana!
To all Americans who agree with Bush (but mostly to you, DarkSem by Splinter	Nov 11th, 2002 06:00:54 PM
I'd like to qualify this by saying I know a lot of discerning, intelligent Americans. Its the other kind I'm railing against Its fucking red-necks like you who have the entire WORLD laughing at how moronic Americans are on a daily basis. Dear oh dear. Let me....educate you, my friend. You (The US) put Saddam in power. You armed him. You went to war with him over OIL, not over something so trivial as defending the rights and lives of the Kuwaiti people. Since 1991, a million innocent Iraqi men, women and children have died EACH YEAR because of crippling trade sanctions imposed by YOU. Let me repeat that. A million innocent Iraqi men, women and children have died EACH YEAR since 1991. Thats more people killed than in all wars in the 20th Century. Your president is the laughing stock of the world. THE WORLD. Your country is crumbling around your ears - but you jingoistic morons can't resist the prospect of a 'good ol' war against "The Rag-Heads" '. Would you please Wake. The Fuck. Up. You put the Taliban in power, getting rid of the brutal Northern Alliance in the process. You then heralded them as the Cavalry and invited them BACK to depose the Taliban. They are proven murderers and rapists. The whole fucking world knows this. Bet you didn't. You blanket bombed Afghanistan indiscriminately, again murdering thousands of innocent people, and crippling their already near non-existent infrastucture. When are you Americans going to wake up? (Excuse me, I'll clarify that - when are the blood-thristy gun-toting Americans going to wake up?) How many MORE terrorists do you think attacking Iraq will create? GENERATIONS OF THEM. How many new terrorists do you think were created when your moron President and his marketing team came up with the 'Axis Of Evil'? The world is laughing at you. I could go on forever, but theres no point. You've probably stopped reading. Go on. Bomb Iraq. Watch the ensuing video-game on CNN, or FOX, or whatever media outlet in America you decide to let spoon-feed you propoganda and lies. Think. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. THINK.
I hope the Coens read this Talkback. by Nordling	Nov 11th, 2002 06:33:15 PM
Because many of you sound an awful lot like Walter. "You are entering a world of pain. MARK IT ZERO!"
yeah but... by manwiththedogs	Nov 11th, 2002 06:35:24 PM
North Korea did'nt try to assassinate a certin very powerful government leader's daddy, did they?
Splinter.... by denmonx	Nov 11th, 2002 06:40:44 PM
The problem IS the media. They have ignored all the major issues regarding Bush, his hostile takeover of the White house (Yeah some of us KNOW Gore won), the details of that takeover, and the reasons behind the war on Iraq. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are content to believe everything they hear on TV and DON'T bother reading anything outside of American Media. And for the guys here who are going to shout that I'm some bleeding heart liberal Democrat...I'm not. Gore got the majority of votes from the American people. Bush is in office. You guy still think we live in a Democracy....Do you ever READ anything but these talkbacks??? This war is nothing more than a coverup for all the RIGHTS we HAD being slowly taken away so the Government can 'protect' you idiots who are just going along with it. And yeah, the whole world IS laughing at the United States of America, because we just blindly follow whatever OUR TV's tell us to.
Walter's reliability by Kiwi-1	Nov 11th, 2002 06:41:29 PM
Am I the only one who doubts the whole 8-year-olds thing. Whenever I watch the movie, I find Walter to be somewhat unreliable, almost like he's one of these people who'll repeat rumours or make wild claims without any real truth in his stories. Does anyone really believe he could get a toe as easily as he claimed? So I never believed that Jesus was a pederast, I just assumed that that was just Walter telling stories, maybe rumours he's heard and amplified, inspired by Jesus's overly sexual behaviour.
I gotta wonder... by God Shamgodd	Nov 11th, 2002 07:05:14 PM
...do you Democrats out there actually know any real Republicans? Are they friends of yours? Do you interact with them in your daily life? Do you talk politics with them? It doesn't seem like it. Instead, it seems like your opinions are based on absurd caricatures of Republicans from editorial cartoonists, Tom Daschle, your poli sci professor, and so on. Those caricatures are probably continually reinforced by your like-minded friends, who simply nod every time you refer to us blood-thirsty, racist, sexist, gun-toting Republicans and our half-witted, cokehead, poor-hating, warmonger president. If you've got some backbone and want to put your stereotypes and beliefs to the test, invite an informed Republican friend or acquaintance out for a drink. (If you live in Phoenix, I'd be happy to serve as the friend or acquaintance.) Let fly with your opinions and see what happens. Pick the right drinking partner, and you're likely to get an intelligent rebuttal to virtually everything you have to offer. That's right - someone will start pulling pieces out of the Jenga tower that is your worldview. (Yeah, I know that's a stupid metaphor, but whatever.) The next time you come back here to "debate" politics, you'll be wiser for the experience.
(I'm against the war in Iraq) by tav	Nov 11th, 2002 08:08:18 PM
I know Democrats and Republicans in real life; it's called family. aha, but one of the best debating techniques is to roll your eyes and say, "I don't believe you. Where did you get those facts? Oh, XYZ news organization, where did they get those facts? What kind of survey was done? What was the original data? Prove it." That's a delightful way to grind discussion to a halt, albeit a logical one. (just for the record, I'm against the war in Iraq.)
Am I the only one who finds this a little ironic? by Man Out Of Time	Nov 11th, 2002 08:16:37 PM
"This agression WILL NOT STAND, man!" Things really have come full circle. ajs
don't hate America by Mr Nuff	Nov 11th, 2002 08:28:24 PM
It is interesting that the world's view of America has been brought up. I read a quote the other day by a man from the middle east. He basically said that America is devoid of any real culture and the rest of the world is racing to be the same. There is an amazing duality going in all these poor countries. Their wholes lives they are told stories about being descendants of powerful and rich cultures yet they live in total poverty and have a hard time believing that things will change anytime soon. Much of the propoganda blames the U.S. for the current state they are in (which has some merit) so they hate us and yet they want to have what we have (basic safety, food, jobs, education...). Many people from around the world come to America to get an education and thoroughly enjoy the freedoms they have while they are here. Then they go home still hating us, because their societies don't forget. When I day they don't forget I am talking about how slow to change other societies are as opposed to america which changes constantly, mostly bacause of our diverse make-up. There is no easy solution to this problem and harping on Bush for trying to take out a maniacal dictator isn't helping the situation. Sadaam Husein is an evil man and has done many horrible things for a long time. The problem lies in the possibility that the cure is worse than the disease. Many inocent people will die before he is finally taken down. Just be glad you're not the person who has to make that decision. I know for sure that I definately don't want Al Gore making those decisions.
Splinter... by DarkSeed 2	Nov 11th, 2002 08:35:05 PM

we want to control Iraqi oil?...but how come no one by sundown	Nov 11th, 2002 08:56:52 PM
talks about how France and Russia are in bed with the Iraqi's big time and that's why they don't want war and want a corrupt regime in power? How come no one wants to point out the evil ulterior motives of nations that want a butcher to remain in power? Who cares, the majority of pastey faced virgins out there will never get it. PS about the Coens...saw Crimewave, now thats a fun film...them and Raimi back in the day. I'm real curious to see them cross their characters over and do sequels...they have as rich a "universe" as people like Tarantino...would be fun to see characters pop up again.
In the absence of HP... by Noisybast	Nov 11th, 2002 08:57:37 PM
...I'm sure everyone here is aware that George W "Roscoe P Coltrane" Bush has an insatiable penchant for anal sex. Yep...
I don't see it by Wydok	Nov 11th, 2002 09:02:09 PM
I love The Big Lewboski, but I don't see a Jesus movie as necessarily a good thing. I didn't think Jesus was that strong of a character. Plus, the character insults me.
GWB: My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend an by Regicidal_Maniac	Nov 11th, 2002 09:20:05 PM
The sooner we abolish the need for a belief in some rediculous 'higher being' the sooner we'll realise that man or woman, black, white, red, yellow or brown, we're all just incredibly lucky microbes living on a tiny drop of dirt and water floating in a vast expanse of nothing. No belief system is inherently better than any other because they're all equally bogus crutches created by primatives to explain away the flaming gasball in the sky. When there was no way of answering questions through science religion had a part to play in keeping order, now it is a hinderence to our species and must, like all superstitions be abandoned by rational beings. The only part it plays in our lives now is as an instigator for terrorism and as justification for atrocities and war. Man created God in order to explain his own creation, now God must be destroyed before he is used to destroy man once and for all.
YOWSA! by TomVee	Nov 11th, 2002 09:30:24 PM
Never mind this, did anyone notice IMDB has a listing for a TV version of Philip Jose Farmer's RIVERWOLRD? Only one of the very best sci-fi novels (and series) ever written! Unfortunately, the star is Brad Johnson of PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT II and the director made CHILDREN OF THE CORN 666. But one can hope!
Democrats suck, but at least... by SvenOleThorson	Nov 11th, 2002 09:41:54 PM
...Harry can be glad that Martin Sheen was re-elected on the Left Wing. Lebowski was funny and Jesus was good in small doses, but I don't know about a whole movie. If the Dude and his psycho friend are there with the same narrarator then that would be cool.
Osama bin laden is alive and well, smoking hash and getting a do by Mister Pink	Nov 11th, 2002 09:54:25 PM
And Dark stain, Clinton isn't a "rich boy" he grew up dirt poor in Arkansas and actually had to EARN everything he's ever gotten, unlike your mentally challenged hero who had to suck everything he has out of his daddy's wrinkled dick. Viet Nam was an immoral, illegal war and no decent person still supports it. Clinton was rightly opposed to the war and did the right thing in protesting it. I don't give a fuck WHERE he was at the time. How is that meaningful in any fucking way? And he wasn't a draft dodger, he EARNED his deferments by his own outstanding academic achievement. Compare this with Junior who was all for OTHER people getting their asses shot off in Nam, but when his own turn came he ran like a fucking deer with its ass on fire to his daddy, got himself assigned to a phony, rich boy division of the National Guard, and then went awol for a year getting drunk and snorting coke up his nose. He then spent the bulk of his adult life as a shiftless, drunken frat boy, occasionally finding time to run a few oil companies into the ground while swindling his shareholders (friends of daddy Bush btw) He then used his daddy's name and connections to purchase a governorship where he set two records, one for murdering people in the gas chamber and one for the most corrupt and abysmal environmental record in all 50 states. Then daddy's oil cronies wanted him to be their own personal hand-puppet in the White House. OoPs he lost. That's ok, his sleazy brother Jeb and his daddy's friends on the supreme court fixed THAT for him. So now we have a president who has never held a job, who has never worked a day or earned a dollar in his life, who says "nuke-ya-lar," who calls Greek people "Grecians," who once said that Jews can't go to heaven, who cowered like a bitch in a bunker on 9/11, who has been completely out-manuvered and outsmarted at every turn by both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, and who has been caught flat out LYING multiple times about the threat of Iraq. If you conservatives think you actuall WON something last tuesday, let me leave you with the words of Yoda at the end of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. "Victory? You call this victory? This is no victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen."
So what, bigpackagemax by Pageiv	Nov 11th, 2002 10:06:15 PM
So we used nukes, what's your point? Vaporizing 100,000 Japanese sounds more resonalble than 1,000,000 US causalties in the invasion of Japan.
Hmm... by Petes Beck	Nov 11th, 2002 10:08:52 PM
Interesting stuff here... I love it when somebody uses communism and socialism as an example of why America is better than the euro-asia continent. Wanna name a communist country? Russia? Cuba? (yeah, not euro-asia, I know) China? Fair try, but no cigar. The answer is NONE. A Communist government is unattainable because Communism requires the dissolvement of a ruling government. So in truth all the "evil commie countries" are really just anti-capitolist dictatorships. It's rather hilarious hearing people damn Cuba, China and North Korea for something they're only pretending to be. Having an outsider's view of these "goings on" with Iraq, I think it's plainly obvious that GWB is doing this for the same reasons his dad did, to take the citizens' minds off the economy. Do you think it's just a coincidence that this happens during the collapse of all these companies and the stock market dive? I'm not trying to sound anti-American here. Hell, I was outraged by 9/11, and felt that the Yanks were justified for whatever they did in Afganistan (albiet some things were extreme). But Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism. I fact, other than trying to finish what Dubyah's daddy started, Iraq has nothing to do with the states, period. Saddam wasn't executing or imprisoning Americans, and AFAIK any heavy weaponry he had was meant for his neighbours, not a country a few thousand miles on the other side of the flippin' ocean. This kinda makes me see what Gene Roddenberry meant with Star Trek (despite the obvious geek factor) and the Prime Directive. We need a worldwide law that forbids interference unless if it's provoked or requested. America tends to suffer by medling. Happened with Japan, happened with Vietnam, happened with Afganistan, and it'll definitely happen with Iraq someday.
What is all this political shit? It don't matter to Jesus! by Andy Travis	Nov 11th, 2002 10:10:10 PM
Geez...us.
just about the funniest Coen character ever . . .and that's sayi by ol' painless	Nov 11th, 2002 10:10:21 PM
Turturro's characterisation of The Jesus is a moment of exquisite acting poetry - the neon pink full body bowling suit, the elegant perverted grace of his bowling delivery, and that insane accent. Shit, I could easily handle a couple of more hours of The Jesus. It will be interesting to see how The Coen's would handle the child molestation issue . . . just about the last subject you would hope or expect to see comedy from.
Umm.. by Petes Beck	Nov 11th, 2002 10:16:11 PM
Just a quick rebuttal to that one comment about Hiroshima. You do realize that it was civilians that were targeted, no? I find that pretty cowardly to decide that innocent lives were easier to forfiet than those of soldiers who knew and were prepared for the dangers. Obviously the Allies had to end the war ASAP, but The Bomb coulda been used on any number of Japanese miliary instilations, but instead they picked a non-military target. Real nice. :p (sorry, but I tend to be bitter about stuff like that, no malice intented here ^_^)
This is by far the scariest talkback I've ever wandered into. by chickenmonkey	Nov 11th, 2002 10:22:46 PM
I'm so freaked, my dangling participles undropped.
Dont know how you fight a World War, but... by Pageiv	Nov 11th, 2002 10:23:33 PM
There were military targets in Hiro, but the truth is why target just the military? Are not the ones feeding, arming, and clothing the military just as important to the war effort? Many factories the Brits hit in Germany were repaired by the time the planes returned home, and it wasnt untill the bombers targeted the ones working in the the factories before production dropped significantly. The truth is you can never win a war till you break your enemy's will to fight. Granted, a war with Iraq wont taget civies, but if we were fighting a major industialized power that could hit back repeatedly at us I suspect their civie population would be playing catch with our daisycutters.
Who Would Jesus Do? by chickenmonkey	Nov 11th, 2002 10:27:47 PM

Dang! ^_^ by Petes Beck	Nov 11th, 2002 10:31:11 PM
Well you got me there. And it is true that Japan did say that with their resources they could continue the war another 10 years. It's just that I'd like to believe in a perfect world where only the thick headed military are the ones being killed in wars. Still the basic impact of Japan seeing The Bomb in even a simple example could've ended the war. After all, it was pretty much the fear of America with such a weapon that forced them to treaty. They could of just dropped it in the middle of an armada (if they could've suvived, mind you ^_-), wiped out the entire fleet, and return home to hear about how the enemy just crapped their collective pants. But once again, my rose coloured glasses...
Just thank God by Pageiv	Nov 11th, 2002 10:38:38 PM
We havent needed to use it again. Maybe if Saddam does something stupid...
Harry trolling on is own site? by Mark Twain	Nov 11th, 2002 10:40:36 PM
How else to explain the superfluous GW comment. It did the job though, bringing out the usual Republican haters and the "America is a bankrupt culture" contingent. After the Wellstone "Memorial" debacle firmly handed the Republicans the election in the closing weeks, those on the left refuse to accept that most Americans are sick of extremism. As those on the right suffered losses in 98 after the impeachment movement.
Petes Beck by God Shamgodd	Nov 11th, 2002 10:54:29 PM
You take an extremely dim view of W and his father if you really think their actions in Iraq are motivated by concerns about the domestic economy. You'll say I'm naive, but I don't believe that either man would risk thousands of American and Iraqi casualties merely to distract the American electorate from the poor performance of the economy. In general, I have a hard time believing that any president, Democrat or Republican, values his own political fortunes more than he values the lives of thousands of U.S. and foreign soldiers and civilians. Tell me, do you also believe that FDR got us into WWII because his New Deal policies failed to end the Depression?
it's incredibly ironic by RickP66	Nov 11th, 2002 11:36:59 PM
how Harry rails against off-topic posting in Talk back, but then starts his review with the little asinine shot at Bush. Oh and Harry, that guy is right...acting like a sensitive liberal won't get you laid. Nothing will. You'll die a virgin, most likely from autoerotic asphyxiation, with a hentai tape running in the background.
I was really planning on saying something about conservatives... by DOGSOUP	Nov 12th, 2002 12:12:20 AM
...but thejester really said it all so perfectly.
Jesus brings out the politician in us all... by HeMoNk	Nov 12th, 2002 12:17:01 AM
Let me start off by saying something you don't hear often, I have no party affiliation. That's right, none what-so-ever. I find the whole thing useless to tell the truth. You join a party and immediately set aside a set group of undeniable truths, much like being apart of whichever faith you practice. You then proceed for the most part to systematically ignore all opposing viewpoints to your own because they don't fit your base beliefs, the ones you set in stone oh so long ago. Thus forcing any debate to basically come down to "your wrong cause your a bleeding heart liberal" or "your wrong cause your a cold-hearted conservative" or some variation of the sort. Then theres the left-wing, or the right-wing conspiracies behind it all and so on and so fourth. Theres one thing though that everyone seems to miss when joining a particular side, neither side is looking out for the best interest of the country as a whole. Both sides are looking out for what will benefit their party first and foremost, is that how things should be? Shouldn't a politician try to represent his entire constituency rather than this group or that? No, of course not that would make our jobs as voters too difficult. We simply split everyone up into two neat piles and have privelaged men on both sides fight out who gets the most campaign dollars from the drug/energy/media/tech industries. It's just tiresome is all I have to say, and I hope that at some point in my lifetime there will come about some sort of change.
Splinter, horribly misinformed and brainwashed by Common_Sense	Nov 12th, 2002 12:23:34 AM
Splinter, the absolute crap you just spouted about US actions is idicative of the propaganda and lies you have been exposed to(and to think you criticise Americans about their media). I dont have the time to further explain all your obscene and dishonest oversimplifactions but I will hit the outright lies. 1)"You (The US) put Saddam in power. You armed him. You went to war with him over OIL, not over something so trivial as defending the rights and lives of the Kuwaiti people." -The US didnt put Saddam in power, he came to power because he was a powerful member of the ba'ath party and because he was one of the most ruthless and effective members of his movement. After he invaded Iran the US supplied military aid to him simply because the US had more problems with Iran than it did Iraq. It was hardly some sort of happy, positive, ideological association. 2)"A million innocent Iraqi men, women and children have died EACH YEAR since 1991." -First of all that number is highly debatable and second it is completely and utterly Saddams responsibility. He had more than enough resources to properly feed his people if he wanted to(both through oil for food and through illegal sale of oil) but instead he chose to spend a massively disproportional amount on building up a military that had no purpose other than to preserve his personal status. So it is in no way the US fault that Iraqi people are dying. 3)"You put the Taliban in power, getting rid of the brutal Northern Alliance in the process. You then heralded them as the Cavalry and invited them BACK to depose the Taliban. They are proven murderers and rapists. The whole fucking world knows this. Bet you didn't. You blanket bombed Afghanistan indiscriminately, again murdering thousands of innocent people, and crippling their already near non-existent infrastucture." -I dont even know where to start in this ignorance fest you just farted on the keyboard. First of all the US never brought either the Taliban or the Northern Alliance directly to power. The US provided arms to the Islamic forces that were fighting the Soviet occupation and because the arms were routed through pakistani military intelligence many of them ended up in the hands of islamic fundementalists rather than the more moderate forces. The end result was the rise of the Taliban. But the US did not play a direct role in the rise of the Taliban. When you compare the human rights record of the Northern Alliance and Taliban both are horrible but the Northern Alliance IS actually the more humane of the two. The Taliban committed numerous acts of ethnic cleansing among the less desirable ethnic groups in Afghanistan. If anything the US saved innocent lives by intervening. The US did not bomb indiscriminately and the civilian casulaties were not in the thousands and were in fact some of the lowest ever recorded in an armed conflict.
jester by God Shamgodd	Nov 12th, 2002 12:26:25 AM
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Sit down with a knowledgeable Republican and say to him/her, "the only Federal program Republicans support is the Military." Are you so delusional that you think he/she will say, "Yup, you've got me there"? Republicans pretty much vote for all the same stuff Democrats do, only at somewhat lower funding levels (on non-defense issues), and sometimes with different ideas about how programs should be administered. Republicans historically have supported, and continue to support, scores of education, environmental, disabled, welfare, veterans, housing, retirement, and other programs. Congressional GOPers routinely vote to reauthorize and re-fund these programs, and Republican presidents (when in office) routinely affix their signatures to the reauthorization and funding bills. Now, if you want to argue that in their hearts Republicans wish that all programs outside of defense would simply go away, then I'd say you're wasting your time here. If you can see into other men's hearts, there are much more valuable things you could be doing with your life.
I'm not a republican or a democrat, (they all suck) but... by Osgood Sigerson	Nov 12th, 2002 12:31:50 AM
It would be nice if someone would do something about America's economy. I work at a factory, and we're doing okay, but many of our competitors are closing shop. Once our contracts are up, we'll probably close shop as well. All the manufacturing jobs are going to China, where they can pay their workers $.20 a day and the government subsidises so they can underbid American companies. Now, I'm no economist, but it seems to me that manufacturing is the backbone of our economy. Without it, who will the service industry serve, the entertainment industry entertain, the healthcare industry keep healthy, etc. So I guess the question is, do we fix the economy, or bomb the hell out of a third world dictatorship? What happens in Iraq has NOTHING to do with what happens in America in the average citizen's daily life. So why do it? "But Saddam gassed his own people!" Yes, with chemical weapons that the US gave him. "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction!" So does the US. "But we use them responsibly!" 100,000 Japanese would disagree with that. Bush isn't doing this for the Iraqi people, or to save the world. But it's a hell of a lot easier than using big words to fix the economy. Easier than finding bin Laden, who's been working at a 7-Eleven in Brooklyn since February. Easier than fighting North Korea, who might actually use weapons of mass destruction. In 20 years, natural resources will be the only thing keeping America afloat. In 50 years, it will be a third world country. Someone told me last week, "Hey, man, it's America- love it or leave it!" New Zealand is pretty.
George W. constantly underestimated by Doubting Thomas	Nov 12th, 2002 01:07:28 AM
And this happens by both his opposition domestically and internationally. Bush has now won 3 elections he was supposed to lose. The Taliban grossly miscalculated. The UN was rightly taken to task and gave Bush what he wanted. Every time Bush is said to be in trouble he emerges stronger than ever and smelling like a rose. Have Bush's detractors not noticed how the louder they yell in opposition, the more most Americans support him? Now I'm not a Republican, although I tend to vote that way more often than not. I considered keeping the Dems in this time, as a check against too much control by one party for two years. But the Wellstone funeral made up my undecided mind and I don't even live in Minnesota.
Walter could have been lying! by highfall	Nov 12th, 2002 01:58:36 AM
I always wondered about the pederast comment. I mean, come on, Walter was way full of shit, and the shot of Jesus going to that big guys door could have played out in Walter's head, and not necesarily in reality. Although, John Turturro did come over and blow me last Tuesday.
pedderast by rhedd5	Nov 12th, 2002 02:03:02 AM
Is it just me or is the phrase actually "peder-ass" and not pederast. You know, like pedaphile and ass in one. I mean, wtf is a pederast anyhow. just a thought.
pederast by rhedd5	Nov 12th, 2002 02:05:27 AM
I stand corrected, pederast is a word. Keep up the good work harry
I apologize in advance for your time if anyone actually reads th by captmorgan43	Nov 12th, 2002 02:14:28 AM
Yeah, uhhh...couple things. When I read the flaming pile of shit stacked so highly up the tackback, I can't help but think it's a good thing for puberty, cuz "the youth is our future" suddenly seems like a scary fuckin idea. I'm not sure what plays a bigger part in the partisan and fundamentalist bickerings here, the obvious youth of some posters or downright extremism of some ignorant movie-lovers. Stick to the movies, people, where fantasy is the reality. I love political debates - watching, participating and "learning" from them. One things for sure, no one ever has progress in mind during one. A point comes up which no one intends to refute and that's mutually understood. The other person just makes a counter-point, and the first person just repeats the first thing they said and so on until one gets laryngitis and the other wins... No one on here is very well-informed. Considering the high-level briefings, close-door meetings and secret phone calls that happen at the highest levels of government in all countries, none of us know shit. Especially you radicals making shit up. I hate republicans, democrats, greens, reds, blues... I hate any party because they start off with one noble idea and thats where the ideas end. It then becomes a game of "how far can I dissent from the party line before I loose lobby-funding or a ticket-spot? I don't think most of the men in power currently are anywhere near as fundamental as most of you are, but they have to support a laundry-list of party ideals before even being considered for a nomination. If the green party ever makes it big, it will fall into the same cesspool. You guys, tsk tsk. Personally, being someone fair-minded, if not well-informed considering what high-level players consider informed, I am happy Saddam is getting the axe, which he certainly is. George Bush is a douche, I know it in my heart even if I think the dossier you lefty's on here gave him is completely fabricated or based on less-than-half-truths. But whether we're going in for oil, or because George wants to claim Mesopotamia for Christianity, Saddam Hussein is loosest, hairiest, STD-ridden asshole ever, and killing him will be a pleasure. I am pretty sure you leftys motivation is out of pure hatred that the rally-cry for a random war comes from a stupid-spoiled-daddy's boy who also happens to be a Right-winger, cuz Ive never heard such a wild defense of an (aspiring) genocidal bastard. The UN imposed sanctions were to limit his threat outside and inside his country, and though his people suffered, if he was restraint-free, he would have the oil-money to kill huge numbers of the Kurds and Shiites and have some left over to cover it up. He has done this folks. Don't ignore the words as "Jingoist" or "right-wing" cuz they are not, I am not. I know you far right and leftists write the keywords and statistics from oppositon arguments down in a book of words you strip of meaning so you can sleep at night with your views intact. Things aren't so black and white though. The war that will be fought will be relatively bloodless right up until the end in Baghdad where there will be some-to-moderate collateral damage. A sobering reality necessary so that a watch-maker in Baghdad can stop putting pictures of Saddam on the watch faces at his store, "Saddam's Place," and still feed his children, Saddam the first through the third and his little girl, Saddam, back home in the hovel on the corner of Saddam and Saddam, in the shadow of Saddam's golden palace number thirty three, made from the meals and clothes the populace will never get. Strange how he afforded those oppulent estates. Guess those sanctions let the gold-bars slip through unless illegal oil sales had something to do with it - nawwww, Saddam would have fed his people by now if he was making money. Right? Yeah, you leftists ought to just go back to the idea of "war is wrong," cuz your right, it's stupid and backwards for many reasons, but your accusations of civilian killings or worse, blanket carpet bombing is pure fucking I-hope-you-feel-guilty-making- shit-up-cuz-self-righteousness -isn't-a-good-enough-reason-bu llshit. On that note though, the best defenses for the American use of the atomic bomb haven't even been listed here. 1)The 1,000,000,000 American troops lost hypothetical figure is one thing, but don't forget - European cities were destroyed in the street to street fighting there. There would have been far more than a hundred-thousand Japanese civilian-casualties, plus military, America had invaded. 2) A display of the use of the bomb WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED. The emperor had to use his executive power to get the Japanese high-command to give up even after the two bombs were used. What made them surrender wasn't that we had the bomb, it was that the benevolent Americans actually had the balls to use it. 3) The fire-bombings of Tokyo yielded far more casualties than Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and in particularly horrific ways. How come none of you care about that? The English and Americans made devastating carpet bombing runs on German cities so that the people would turn against the Nazis. Where is your black-and-white portrait of good and evil now? It was a fact of war. Are you people also saying Saddam's army isn't innocent? They're just young boys trying to make a wage just like ours, only more scared. It's not any more benevolent when we JUST end there young lives. Oh yeah, and N. Korea won't use their weapons, they can't afford it, and besides they went to the bargaining table easily, Saddam though would probably love to go out with a bang and Saddam's more of an idiot than Bush even, if you read anything about him, so that's pretty scary. By the way, Space Hunter, you've capatilized nicely on the comic potential of this talk-back - kudos. Regicidal Maniac, I have used almost the exact same phrases many times. And I do, for the record, like both the left and right-wingers - Those sitting to my IMMEDIATE left and right. I do apologize again for this diatrabe, but please - don't criticize my fuckin grammar. There's nothing more aggravating than someone going, "yeah, well you can't even spell laryngitis, idiot."
The Big L as a Biblical allegory (an essay I happened to have wr by Judge Mental	Nov 12th, 2002 03:59:51 AM

Hey Headgeek by FrankCobretti	Nov 12th, 2002 08:29:07 AM
The news about the Jesus movie was interesting enough, really. You don't have to troll.
Well, If I may take a few moments of EVERYONES time... by TheGinger Twit	Nov 12th, 2002 08:42:38 AM
History will judge us all from this day forth. Our children will remember us the way we remember Germans of Hitlers day. Sure Saddam may be a ruthless dictator with weopons of mass distruction... but From where I'm standing (outside America with the rest of the world) Bush is an even bigger dictator with an even bigger arsenal of weopons of mass distruction. American News services have a lot to answer for - You guys get such a lollypop/cotton candy view of the world where everyone is a terrorist and America is the golden utopia that will save us all. In truth, The rest of the world is nicely rounded, while America is the one crashing down under it's own corruption and plans to nuke everymother fucker it deems less than suitable. We're all jealous of American democracy and freedom? You guys keep telling yourselves that. the only thing I wish I had of yours is the grand canyon, yosamity and niagra falls. But of the tragedy that was 9/11... ask yourself who really benefits? Bin laden or Bush? And now with the distruction of Iraq looming over head - don't kid yourself - WAR will breakout worldwide. If 1 country can do what it wants without the UN... so can ANY other country. If 1 country can invade and overthrough another nation at will, THEN SO CAN ANY FUCKING COUNTRY!! Yeah I'm counting down the last days of piece. Because the world is quite good right now - especially when you don't watch TV. But When America starts dropping the bombs, I hope you guys who are cheering it on remember that you were there cheering it on. For This is the end of the world as we know it. Because from this day the world will go to the crapper - America will be no safe haven. In fact, i think america may be the most unsafest... and if your Cities start to come down harder than the twin towers, I'm not sure the world will stop and offer our condolances for you the way it did on that fateful day. Harry... mention something about Bush and his war in all your articles! Lets have it out!
I'm a candle in the wind of liberal rhetoric on this site... by DarkSeed 2	Nov 12th, 2002 09:02:04 AM
But what should I have expected from a bunch of failed script-writing, hollywood-worshipping wannabes (but never will be). I LOVE movies, but you guys are just creepy. I leave you with this... "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill. And with that, I exit this flame-war. I may not have won this "battle," but the idealogies I believe in have swept the nation last week, and will govern for at least the next two years, and that's enough victory for me... at least for now. Toodles!
Oh yeah, and one more thing... by DarkSeed 2	Nov 12th, 2002 09:03:50 AM
Bush in '04!!! (heh-heh)
Pageiv by WeedyMcSmokey	Nov 12th, 2002 09:27:58 AM
NO, no, no. You are wrong. The old "dropping the nuke saved lives" excuse is completely invented - its a PR spin on an action that had entirely different motivations. One bomb might support that theory - 2 bombs are clearly evidence of another. Those bombs were dropped so that the coming power of the Soviet machine would know that the US had harnessed the fury of God. It was a great big "Don't fuck with us" - that's why two were dropped - illustrating that this was a power the US could reuse. Conventional war on Japanese soil was never an option - a naval blocade would have persuaded an eventual surrender. For christ-sake, use a little common sense.
If I talk about the movie in this politics talkback, am I going by Chilli Kramer	Nov 12th, 2002 09:43:25 AM
Shit I want to see this movie. But why it has jack to do with politics is beyond me. You've got a problem with what Harry's politics are? So email him! We talkbackers can't do anything about it. Other talkbackers bother you? Email them! Ok, so the film: This has the potential to be excellent, a film focusing on Jesus the insane bowler. Maybe there's some biblical allegory, but I doubt the Coens would make things that simple....
Bush's Awol Account Status by Docpotato	Nov 12th, 2002 10:06:31 AM
I have yet to hear any hard-core conservative actually address the fact that Bush was AWOL from his National Guard duty. The de facto response seems to be something like "Clinton was a draft-dodger!" Which, you know, I guess is worse in their estimation. And I don't care much for Clinton before anyone tries to defend Bush by bashing Clinton. Really the whole Iraq thing is about Oil. Even if it's not about the U.S. posession of Iraqi oil fields, the conflict with Iraq and Iran essentially stems from a very long addiction we in modern society have had to oil. A true leader in this day and age would use the fear of middle-eastern terrorists to rally the American high-tech forces to get behind learning alternative fuels in the same way that Kennedy and his administration used fear of Russian technological superiority to get us to the moon. Not for the environment, not for the seals that get covered in the texas tea everytime a takner spills, but becasue Oil is a finite resource. Even if the U.S. were to drill in Alaska and take over the oil fields of the entire world, we're still gonna run out eventually at the current rate of consumption. But who cares about that? Oil only runs just about everything that we have in this modern mechanized world including the economy. Bush & Cheney's ties to Oil companies is probably a preventative measure against such a bold step. Too bad.
Common_Sense by WeedyMcSmokey	Nov 12th, 2002 12:50:25 PM
Your not so right - you've simply adjusted your sights from directly responsible to indierctly responsible - you haven't present any more 'facts' than Splinter, you presented more opinons, your numbers aren't any more accurate and your conclusions are based on creating a desired one. Politics is a complicated affair, but not a hard one to examine in hindsight - who benefits, follow the money. The Red Cross put the Afghany civilian casualties in the thousands, the US disputes the number, we may never know, as census taking is not exactly practiced and, well the US has very effective bombs - not much left of the targets. Saddam is a fucking asshole to his own people and a ruthless shit to boot, I have as much sympathy for him as I did the Taliban. But, that at a time not long in the past the US enjoyed these qualities and used and encouraged them - a duplicitous form of real politik that has now come back to haunt American interests. It's a foriegn policy free of any moral constraints. Saddam also has been no more aggressive militaristicly than Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel and Iran over the past 50 years. His is a target of convenience - make no mistake, he has not been in a position to threaten American lives, and indeed has not done so outside of the Gulf War (which we brought to him - and, it wasn't necessarily a bad thing) - but if you think that he is a cog in either terrorism, or presents a clear danger to Americans on US soil, then you are sorely mistaken. Evil people abound in the world, we have chosen which ones we support and those we do not, and have filled the airwaves with rhetoric disgusing our true intentions. Do not add yourself to the growing number of dupes.
stop badmouthing... by Joey Jojo	Nov 12th, 2002 12:55:03 PM
granola. Its really quite a tasty treat. Quaker makes some very delicious granola bars in a variety of flavors: chocolate chip, peanut butter, raisin and spice. They even have some with Butterfinger and Nestle Crunch in them. So tasty!
Dead on Doubting Thomas by Mark Twain	Nov 12th, 2002 12:55:45 PM
I live in a state where one of those Senate seats was taken by Republicans on Tuesday. It is also a bellweather state, neither Republican or Democrat. It looked until 2 weeks before the election that the Democratic incumbent was going to be reelected despite 5 visits by the president to the state. His message was always the same, that he believed in compromise, had tried to compromise, and now needed both houses to get past the increasing partisanship of the other side. That argument was heard, but wasn't selling until the Wellstone memorial. That display of partisanship where the Democrats booed the Independent governor of Minnesota cemented the president's words firmly in the minds of the independent voters. I believe this was the case elsewhere, how else to explain Georgia and New Hampshire? Two very different states and Georgia made history by electing it's first Republican governor since reconstruction. Georgia and Mississippi are the last bastions of the Old Democrats (Dixiecrats, if you will). The prez is not to be underestimated, but the left is just as capable of doing it as the right was of underestimating Bill Clinton.
federal programs that have actually helped people...+ john turtu by duanejones	Nov 12th, 2002 01:10:20 PM
uh...how about that rural electrification program? how about, oh, labeling carcinogens and preventing their commercial distribution (fda)? gee, i'm also pretty grateful for the federal student loan program, since it allowed me to get an education, which would appear to distinguish me from the dittohead, "fuck you homos if you don't agree with my reactionary inability to argue points on evidence, i mean, we won an election by a decisive 51-49, therefore all non-conservatives are WRONG!" mentality so pathetcially pervasive and, need i mention, off-damn-topic hereon. newsflash to thbe ideologues who can't see past their own rhetoric -- protesting an invasion of iraq is so very obviously not a vote of aid and comfort for saddam hussein, but what do you care? how many of you hawks are actually poised to invade iraq yourselves?..."I'm waiting...because there isn't any". oh, and john turturro -- he's, er, great...
reasons for the bomb by Common_Sense	Nov 12th, 2002 01:27:21 PM
I find it interesting how people go back and revise history to say what they want it to say. According to some the only thing in Truman's mind when he gave the order to drop the bomb was to scare off the Russians, which is of course preposterous. There is no doubt that he knew the importance of the bomb from a post-war power viewpoint, but more importantly he just wanted to end the war as quickly as possible because American soldiers were dying every day. Given the ability to end the war in a matter of weeks there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Truman would use the bomb, the only question was how soon and how many bombs would be dropped. If it had been discovered after the invaision of Japan that Truman had had the power to end the war and didnt, he would have been branded a weak-kneed traitor. From a humanitarian point of view it is rational to assume that Truman knew that many more Japanese would die as a result of an extended war than would die in several atomic bomb explosions(hundreds of thousands had already been killed in the fire bombing of tokyo and no doubt more would have died in repeated attacks) and it was simply a better decision for the Japanese that he drop the bomb and get the war over with. Truman also knew that given the Japanese psyche, as demonstrated on countless islands, just showing the Japanese the bomb would be ineffective in obtaining a surrender(and indeed he was correct, they did not surrender after hiroshima). The Bomber command had preserved Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the first use of the Atom bomb because all other military targets had been bombed extensively and would not be a accurate test of the new weapon. There were no japanese fleets to use them on, and even if there were it is unlikely that the loss of a fleet change the opinion of the hard line commanders closest to the emporer (it took two atomic bombs, and the promise of more to allow the doves in the emporer's cabinet to exert control). The fact is that Truman used the bomb for many reasons, the primary of which was saving American lives and ending the war, secondarily to intimidate the Russians from making agressive moves on a weak post WW2 Europe/Asia. And regardless of his motivation the dropping of the Atom Bombs saved more lives than in took, this much is undisputable. To prove it, simply add the projected number of American casulaties to the number of Remaining Japanese soldiers(who would have probably fought to about the last man) and then multiply the average number of civilians that were dying every day as a result of the bombing campaign and from starvation/disease by the number of days that the invaision would have taken. Finally add the two sums up and you will find that the total is well over a million by any estimation.
It isn't an Oil War by Common_Sense	Nov 12th, 2002 01:42:47 PM
I find it hilarious when people keep saying the potential war in Iraq would be one over oil. Its as if when they say something long enough it starts to overcome the massive logic gaps in the argument. If all the US wanted was oil we could very easily get the sanctions lifted(nobody but the US really wants them) and buy oil directly from Saddam at rock bottom prices. Very simply it is astronomically more expensive both in lives and money to fight our way in and take the oil fields for ourselves. The fact is that even if we did take over the Iraqi oil fields it would probably cost us more to extract the oil than it is costing Saddam at this very moment! Right or Wrong, the reason Bush is pushing so hard on Saddam is because Bush thinks Saddam has (or will soon have) WMD and is willing to use them himself or give them to terrorists(so saddam can have plausible deniability when a US city blows up). Saddam more than anything desires to rule over a pan-arabic empire in the middle east much like ancient Bablyon. This explains his invasion of Iran and Kuwait, and why he was more than willing to shoot scud missiles at the holiest muslim country(Saddam cares little for Islam, he is more interested in pre-islamic arab society when Iraq was the center of the Arab world). And because his desires conflict so greatly with American desires of a stable, moderate, and most importantly cheap oil producing Middle East, conflict is inevitable.
Socialist Morons by ThingsThatTimDog	Nov 12th, 2002 01:45:07 PM
I find it so funny that people still think Bush stole the Whitehouse. Do none of you dick heads remember that Gore lost the recount done by JESSE FUCKING JACKSON!? He still came up over 1000 votes short, after Jesse counted every shadow on a ballot as a vote for Gore. Nevermind that the fucking libs had all the votes from the men in the military thrown out before the vote. All the supreme court ruled was that they werent going to have the damn national vote over again.*How about the recent election were those fucking morons in Dade county decided to use their own untested computer voting system instead of the one tested and proven successful by Jeb Bush. Then the dumb fuck election judges dont bother to show up at their classes to learn to use the machines and some dont even bother to open the polls for several hours. Of course thats all Jeb Bushes fault. Guess he stole that election too.**Explain to me how you can support a party that supports rampant voter fraud? How about the recent Chicago report that there was over 100,000 illegally registered Democratic voters in that city alone? How about the dead getting up and voting in Mississippi, New Jersey, and Arkansas? How can you support a party that encourages and registers illegal citizens to vote for them? How can you support a party that sent out a newsletter telling people to go to Utah on election day because it has same day registration? How can you support a party that realizes they have a losing candidate so 'fire' him 3 weeks before the election, break a law written by themselves requiring candidates be submitted 50 days before an election, and then the Democratic State Supreme court just strikes is down? How can you support a party that has a political convention at the wake of 8 people killed in a plane crash, boo Republican candidates who attended to show respect to their friend, and then have the gaul to ask them to drop out of their races to support the dead senators policies?
I hate to be the one to bring this up, but isn't there a more pr by TerryNoonan	Nov 12th, 2002 01:45:56 PM
Like one that features that ripped mullethead that loiters around the Sidewinder in Ghost World, complete with nunchucks and that badass tan? Hello??? That guy could kick the Shiite Muslim out of Da Jesus AND he had one of the funniest bits EVER! I know he's busy starring in Red Hot Chili Pepper videos and all, but he needs to have his own film because "this is America, Dude. Learn the rules."
Does anyone know anything about Japan? by MSILENUS	Nov 12th, 2002 02:46:10 PM
You have to consider that the Japanese were under the whim of their Emperor. They thought of him as a god on earth much the same way the Ancient Egyptians thought of their pharoah. Did you ever see films of the civilians jumping to their deaths on Okinawa. These people were told that the Americans would rape their women,kill their babies, and other atrocious acts. The whole country would have almost all committed ritual suicide if the Americans had invaded en force. So the bombs actually saved a hell of alot more lives than you think. It forced Hirohito to broadcast to the Japanese people to surrender.
Common_Sense - You might be wrong by WeedyMcSmokey	Nov 12th, 2002 02:48:40 PM
The US was more than adequately prepared to engage in war for an extended period - in fact several high level military strategists suggested that with US resources at a high following 1945 - an attack on the Soviet Union would be a good move. As of 1945, the US had the largest navy and air force on the globe - so smashed were the European powers and the Soviets that Canada had the third largest. Truman knew the bomb to be the key in any future dealings with Russia, its construction was not based on a target of Japan, but on the simple goal of improving military might. He announced the bomb to Stalin prior to "his demonstration" on Hiroshima, in fact - some, like Leo Sizlard, advocated a demonstration on neutral grounds, but the target of Hiroshima was chosen because the majority of othe Japanese cities had already been firebombed to hell and back and wouldn't adequately demonstrate the destructive power of the weapon. At the time of the bomb dropping, US air campaigns over Japan were virtually untouched and the Japanese were in the process of suing for peace since May/June of 1945 - a non-violent end was reachable in the esteem of many. They were beaten, and they were not in a position to fight back. While a conventional war would have resulted in many casualties, it is entirely speculative as to the total number of casulaties that would have be borne of it. However the idea that the bomb saved lives was put forth to do two things: One, assuage the guilt of Americans who up to that point had always put forth the position that theirs was a humanitarian war - and they didn't target civilians (which ended with the firebombing of Japan), and to put into perspective that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagaski- military targets to be sure, but not ones so vital to the Japanese effort that they demanded this special attention (unlike, say Tokyo) - were integral to winning the war - as oppose to demonstrating might. There is no evidence to suggest that Japan could withstand a conventional bombing campaign for more than six months, and that the US war effort had done anything except improve the might of the US military industrial complex and produced an economic boon that allowed for the virtual re-construction of Europe, beginning not more than a year after the fall of Berlin. While the bomb undoubtedly ended the war swiftly, it did not "save lives" from a speculative invasion that never happened, and likely never would.
Rambling Rant 2: The Sequel by captmorgan43	Nov 12th, 2002 02:54:19 PM
Im not about to invade Iraq - my younger brother, a United States Marine, is. And don't insinuate that that means I am callous about the value of his life, that would piss me off. I have always been a military and history buff and feel that I would be a hypocrite if I suddenly changed my tune (that there is sometimes only a military solution and thats just a general philosophy) cuz my brother is holding the gun. No, I have full confidence that the odds are against him coming home in a body bag, though that is a luxury countless families don't know, I understand. I have confidence through watching my slanted American cable full of US military programs that show our state of the art equipment: bullets that shoot around corners, foldable recon planes in a back-pack, lazers that shoot missles and artillery rounds out of the sky - all these prototypes have been made. And our lazer-guided bombs? Virtually perfected. Bomb misses in the Gulf were probably near 100% more than those of current technology. Our STANDARD lazer-guided bomb is acurate within feet, our PRECISION bombs, fractions there-of. The Red Cross figures you speak of: No, I can't argue those, I conceed, I just find it fuckin hard to believe, but certainly not impossible. My point is that the poor souls who got in the way will hopefully be martyred as the last who will die in a war to rid the country of oppression; the last casualties of an era of religious repression and terror. A worthy sacrifice but not one they should have made. I just happen to be a citizen of the doom-bringing country, and am lookin at the bright side of things. Our motivations might not be pure, but I'm not the one who stands to make bad precedents in unilaterally invading a country for the wrong reasons and pretend that the world is my play ground. All I can do is be glad that it happens to be a fuckin cunt like Saddam on the chopping block. No Saddam doesn't overtly threaten American lives, this war is completely random (unless Bush does have proof which he probably wouldn't come out and show so that Saddam could see which weapon programs we know about, and the UN seems to think Bush does), Bush is probably doing this for the wrong reasons, and yet - a whole people could be liberated. It's a cause just righteous enough that I am comfortable even knowing that economic imperialism was the rule of the day, because it will produce a life that couldn't have happened for a little Iraqi girl. I have to admit: I am genuinelly curious to figure out what kind of people the Iraqis are. No one knows because they currently live the Saddam-State culture of predetermined words and actions. Perhaps there is a bigger plus to freeing their people than anyone knows about, like a people of great market productivity or fascinating culture. We can't know how they will integrate into the Middle Eastern community as a people and a government after they are free of Saddam, who currently isolates "his" people from their fellow arabs. I don't buy into American media hoopla, I agree with you %100. Most of the things your saying are right, it's your degree of animosity I just can't agree with, cuz I happen to think we draw the all the bad attention like the big guy on the street. Just as everyone sees the guy in the spotlight pick his nose, while you go unnoticed picking your ass. Everyone can say what a pig he is, and to an extent theyre right. Docpacto, Bush is the kind of guy that everyone knows he's a douchebag behind the facade and so you feel a sense of community in knowing that everyone secretly feels that way too. In other words, doesn't surprise me at all that he was AWOL, and I agree with everything you said. But as for the nuke thing, I know I can't change your stance, Weedy, and you can't change mine. I've heard those facts too, they factor into what happened, but not to the exclusion of what I was saying. Believe it or not, all this is for anyone to see on AMERICAN TV, the great decadent PR spinners. Sure pure moral decisions didn't drop the bomb and neither did just the military considerations. A list was drawn up of militaristic, political, and moral pros and cons, risks and benefits for dropping the bomb or not. What you said was a big pro; I've heard that too. But the naval blockade, no - bullshit. As I've heard it, from a decent source, not a US history textbook, the invasion was certainly planned or at least weighed, thus the casualty figure. A naval blockade? We almost got bombed aboard the USS Missouri, as the story goes, because renegade Japanese pilots and/or their superiors (can't remember) tried to do a sortie as the ship pulled into harbor. Japanese men ran into overwhelming odds, guns blazing, in the hope that he could take out at least three or four GIs before he died the good death. This is nothing new, I know. But Kamikaze and bushido was infused into, not just military, but civilian culture. It was a military dictatorship. Propaganda led to whole Okinowa villages running up to the suicide cliffs and jumping off cuz a few Japanese soldiers told them the American rape squads were coming. A picture of a woman clutching her baby in mid air exists. Civilians, like in Vietnam, surprised GIs with grenades and rifles. The Japanese military, still had some naval strength, no carriers, but some strength considering all their vessels. They wouldn't have let an American blockade stop them, they would have been heartened to know that the Americans would stop at such a non-violent solution, while they had the determination to use their lives in defense of their country. They would've felt that theirs was the stronger will and they therefore should keep fighting. Maybe they would have time to perfect the Kamikaze one-man torpedos, or some other brutal incarnation of the divine wind. Whatever, you probably know all this, your pretty well-informed. Oh, and I try not to be ethnocentric and thoroughly appreciate the world beyond my borders, not as backwards second and third world neighbors, but as something like Americas parents. So it kind of sucks that when I get to leave this joint theres so many of you foreigners that will want to kick my ass when I visit. Ok, that's enough of that, I'm just rambling.
jester by God Shamgodd	Nov 12th, 2002 03:43:11 PM
Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, not a politician or activist. If he actually made that statement, it's just plain ignorant. Even so, that one prominent Republican doesn't support federal programs hardly proves that Republicans in general don't. Furthermore, I don't know specifically about Cheney and Rumsfeld, but Bush, the chief proponent of increased military spending, has his assets in a blind trust (i.e., managed by someone else). So not only does Bush not know whether he stands to gain from increased military spending, YOU don't either. And how do you know Congressional Republicans are "in on the action" when it comes to military purchases? How do you know what they do on Mondays after going to church on Sundays? How do you know that W has done "major drugs?" Please, tell us. You've obviously got access to important information that the major media have missed! Plainly, you're just engaging in wishful speculation. If you're interested in trading in fact, then we can talk.
Hooray for Bush by darthbaney	Nov 12th, 2002 03:53:39 PM
Liberalism is a bunch of elitist "why can't we all be nice?" bullshit. Democrats are only republicans who lie more. And republicans simply amuse me. Yet still I hope Bush goes into Iraq. Why? For one thing, it will increase both domestic and international reactions against him- people will be more radical against the American government. Secondly, terrorism will increase. Now, to actually better America's status in the world will be impossible for the upcoming decades- espacially if every American president continues to mistreat the world as every American president of this century has. The only way is to destroy America's superpower status. I don't like those fascist fundamentalist terrorists or Saddam any more than anybody else, and I wouldn't rather them over the States, but then again, they are all the consequences of America's own colonialist foreign policy. So in the end, all people who consider themselves leftists, stop being whiny and stop with the useless bourgeoisie humanism. It's like Dubya himself said- "You're either with us, or against us." Well, eventhough TV is much more amusing with you around, you and the whole neo-nazi cavalry behind you can suck dick.
No no no. by FaZe	Nov 12th, 2002 04:45:10 PM
Yes, Jesus was a funny character, but most of the Coen's supporting characters are excelent. The script would have to be superb for me to want to see this, because I dont think Jesus as a character could support an entire movie by himself. It would be like a Joey spin off from friends. (god help us)
jester by God Shamgodd	Nov 12th, 2002 07:07:23 PM
Look, you're still engaging in silliness. I don't want to have to dismantle your "arguments" every time you come back with more non-sequitirs. Call me anal-retentive for insisting on conclusive statements of fact rather than innuendo, inferences, and fantasy. I mean, really, so Cheney and Bush go on Limbaugh, and Limbaugh doesn't support federal programs other than the military, therefore Cheney and Bush don't support programs other than the military? Huh? You're going to dislocate your shoulder reaching that hard. And Bush has waffled about past drug use and never explicitly denied it, so that "proves" he's done "major drugs?" Yeah, I guess, in the Jester's Court of Fantasy Debate. Seriously, I can and do respect people with whom I disagree, but not people who don't follow basic rules of logic, reason, and evidence. Again, maybe I'm being an ass for trying to have a serious conversation in this space, but I'm done trying. You are free to talk with yourself.
politics by Filmreddog	Nov 12th, 2002 07:27:02 PM
Harry, I read your book and you are an ace when it comes to films but PLEASE keep the politics to yourself. Both Dems And Repubs are in the same cesspool. Everyone makes major mistakes (Godzilla?!?). We can talk all day about Clinton bombing aspirin factories, polluting the Everglades, taking bribe money from Marc Rich, and Dem leader Terry McAllife investing 100K that turns into 18 Million. Don't be so gullible. George W. might have driven while under the influence, but he didn't leave a young woman in the back seat to die like Ted Kennedy. To the guy who talks of W's drug usage... proove it! That story was an unsubstantiated rumor. Grow up children and let's stick to film not politics. By the way Harry,in your book you ask about naming a President in the Twentienth Century who didn't have a mistress in the White House. To name a few: Truman, Ike, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Ron R., W's Dad. That's every one in the last half of the 20th Century except JFK, Clinton, and LBJ. No one will dispute Jack and Bill. Lyndon probably paid for it. Truman wasn"t the type and Ike got it out of his system during the war(certainly with only one woman, so he wasn't a serial offender like Jack and Bill). History knows JFK was constantly catching VD, probably Clinton, too, since he was the only Pres in modern times not to release his med records. As for Nixon, what woman would do it with him, let alone admit it? Most pundits who are "in the loop" in DC agree that Jerry Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ron R., and George H. didn't fool around. Gore's aid, who lied and planted the story about old man Bush's alleged affair was fired for doing it. Besides no one has ever come up with any other name since then. When you criticize Matt Drudge for being a voice of the "Right" look within and make sure you are not doing the same for the other side, who are just as corrupt.Good Luck. Keep up the great FILM criticism.
Mmmmm...rats... by DavidPuddy	Nov 12th, 2002 09:14:39 PM
Generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses. Evil minds that plot destruction, sorcerers of death's construction. In the fields the bodies burning, as the war machine keeps turning. Death and hatred to mankind, poisoning their brainwashed minds. Oh lord, yeah! Politicians hide themselves away. They only started the war. Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor, yeah. Time will tell on their power minds, making war just for fun. Treating people just like pawns in chess, wait till their judgement day comes, yeah. Now in darkness world stops turning, ashes where the bodies burning. No more War Pigs have the power, Hand of God has struck the hour. Day of judgement, God is calling, on their knees the war pigs crawling. Begging mercies for their sins, Satan, laughing, spreads his wings. Oh lord, yeah!
For those supporting war with Iraq by Reverendz	Nov 12th, 2002 10:18:47 PM
Put your money where your mouth is and join the Army/Navy/Airforce tomorrow! Go and fight if you think it's a worthy cause.
Rambling Man by captmorgan43	Nov 12th, 2002 10:32:19 PM
I have great respect for Bill Clinton's mind but as a politician he often exemplified the worst of cliched political evils. Monicagate - I could care less that he cheated, but my president lying to me personally on my TV is the most despicable fuckin thing (Next to starting a global holocaust. Ok, so maybe there's worse things). It's the epitome of what we Americans hate in government as a people who inherently distrust ours. I feel bad for the guy - to get caught and put in that position; really sucks, man. Especially because in the stress of the moment, it would seem your public career would be over and certainly, at the VERY least, never the same. And over a hummer!! But I also think it was stupid and offensive to do in the people's White House, my White House, even as I applaud his obviously giant balls and his gaul to do it, which I respect. But his character in the end was pathetic and weak and that's why he pissed me off, that's why everyone defending him pissed me off. Sad in a way that that happened to be his major flaw and it was pushed in front of the world to see, but not everyones a victim, so he won't get my pity. He handled it so ungracefully and dangerously in his very public weakness by making our country seem vulnerable and exploitable through the people's public questioning of our president: the man. Jesus though, Democrats are fuckin despicable in a dirty sort of way, while Republicans are in a rich guy sort of way. By the way, I happen to think if Bush had a more intelligent image, I might believe his failure to admit or deny drug-use could be a device to factor the personal shit out of the presidential persona after the Clinton debacle. I'm talking about a practical way of keeping the presidency about being the president, but as the simplest explanation is usually true, and Dubbya is a politician through-and-through, he was probably making snow-angels in piles of blow at Scarface's house at one time or another. I happen to think the jester did use logic in forming his suspicions of Bush's drug use. But while plausible, that isn't, by far, proof. And the rest of the logic - well, the logic of political views is funny and often, uhhhh..illogical. And Rush Limbaugh is a douchebag. If Cheney or whoever went on his show, it was because it was easy to rally his ultra-right wing audience and hey, that may be a cheap move but that's how the game's played. By the way, Clinton admitting drug use: HA! He lost all credibility and anything he gained by his admission in then taking two steps back with the little gem: "but I didn't inhale." ---------- Bag of herb: Forty Bucks. Presidential campaign: Millions. Saying you pulled on a joint but didn't breath it in on national TV: Priceless.
whats this rep/dem shit?? by Windowlicker74	Nov 12th, 2002 10:39:19 PM
what are you Yanks bullshitting about democracy while you can basically choose from only two parties;right wing or extreme right wing, that being that Bush moron and his gang of blood thirsty corporate dickheads. way to go, assholes. PS The Jesus rocks but not for 2 hours long
Dems vs. GOP by DavidPuddy	Nov 12th, 2002 11:24:36 PM
There's really no need to differentiate between Democrats and Republicans,it's ALL bullshit. Politicians are politicians and what they are are fucking vampires feeding off of the public. How many poor politicians do you know? How many politicians d you know at all? And why would you care to anyways? George W? Al Gore? Bill Clinton? Cheney? Fuck all of 'em! They don't give a shit about you! You people get all wrapped up in one party vs. th other when you mean absolutely nothing to them until it's time to vote. Then they'll blow smoke up your ass again and tell you what you want to hear. Bottom line: unless there is something you can do for them politicians could give a fuck. (observations from Boston...the political corruption capital of the world)plus i'm tired and surly. FUCK YOU!!! GOOD NIGHT!!!
To Common Sense by TheGinger Twit	Nov 13th, 2002 02:04:50 AM
About this not being an oil War... consider the facts. America's economy is in the crapper. I don't know the exact figures but it works out to be in the trillions of bad debt. Spending the last 200 odd billion on a war that will open up a market of Iraqi oil worth upwards of 30 trillion dollars... well... it seems like a good reason to go to war huh? Besides, sadam keeps saying he doesn't have WMD. Korea says it does. No oil there, so who cares about them?
of course, ending sanctions would free up that oil... by The_Fiend	Nov 13th, 2002 03:59:38 AM
and we wouldn't have to spend a dime to get access to all that oil. Pre-9/11 it wasn't war that oil companies and the omnipresent corporations were pushing for, but rather an end to sanctions. But I won't let logic get in the way of your dump on Bush day. I mean seriously, I'm against the war on Iraq too, but you knee-jerk leftists are just plain, fucking idiots. Not that the "bomb the towelhead" crowd are any better, but at least they aren't pretending to be intelligent.
friends, romans, countrymen by bigdickmcgee	Nov 13th, 2002 05:08:49 AM
Hey, all you America haters - it's fun to read your angry e-mails...boy are you guys pissed off. However, even though you consider America the root of all evil....you're still obsessed with AMERICAN FILMS! Why don't you guys check out Aint-it-cool-Iran, and discuss all those kick ass blockbusters coming soon to a theatre near you in Teheran next summer. I can't wait for the Libyan version of Spiderman..or Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of Rihyad....or everyone's favorite, Harry Potter and the Underground Bio-Warfare Facility. And while you're doing that, consider this...you're using the Internet...and American invention....and a computer....an American invention....and electricity....an American invention....and movies are made with a camera...an American invention....and they can be enjoyed on a television set....an american invention....and you can call your friends and tell them about ti over the phone...either an american or Canadian invention..............that'll make your penis shrink from inadequacy, won't it? Have fun!
one question Harry by bigdickmcgee	Nov 13th, 2002 05:25:23 AM
How does it make you feel, Harry, that you, Harry Knowles, who was born in a country many people would cut off a testicle to live in, who has become rich (?) and famous (somewhat) due to the opportunities that this country provided, who could never have done this had he not been an american with all the access to the industry that it entails (American industry mostly), and all the rights and freedoms of speech and technology....come on, Harry, you have to admit had you been from Zimbabwe, you wouldn't be doing this......how does it make you feel when people log on to your site and use it as a forum to spray this country with shit and garbage and accuse it of slanderous things, and insult it's citizens, 3/4 of a million of whom have died in foreign lands freeing other people from oppression. How does it make you feel Harry? Really! How?
best acting ever by mintox	Nov 13th, 2002 08:53:08 AM
I've always said that John Tuturro deserved an Academy Award for BEST ACTING BY A HUMAN BEING IN A MOVIE EVER for his performance in The Big Lebowski. That footage should be put in a vault and locked away for aliens to discover in 20000 years time. I'd see the sequel if only to find out how the final competition between him and The Dude panned out.
Cover my Canadian ass, Jesus by danny damnation	Nov 13th, 2002 11:43:20 AM
Well, if you guys are going to get into a war in the middle east, you better win and win big -- the Canadian army is about fifty thousand strong, and I think we're currently using sling shots. We simply cannot do shit about shit. Oh, and a film about Jesus would be welcomed. He IS a sex offender, but he's the Jesus, and I need a Coen fix.
to that smartass bigdickmcgee by Windowlicker74	Nov 13th, 2002 06:15:56 PM
hey bigdick, instead of masturbating on your stars and stripes, try visit a foreign country for a change, where you can enjoy freedom, where don t have to wait until 21 to drink in a bar, where you dont have to die in the streets when you re out of a job, where you can get EDUCATION, instead of that pathetic high school crap. Who the fuck would give a testicle to live in disneyland?????and as far as your invention story goes, before you write more bullshit, check on your courses ok? Who do you think invented your fucking atomb bomb for you? trust me it wasn t you.
Did you guys know that Harry is pederast too... by Spam Gamgee	Nov 14th, 2002 04:30:32 AM
He watches kiddie porn all day long.
Vaporized? by HURM	Nov 14th, 2002 09:38:13 PM
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/F ront_Page/DK15Aa01.html

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