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Ok, so you're tired of Superman news... So how about a fast-tracked Aronofsky BATMAN: YEAR ONE'

HA, HARRY put all the subhuman TalkBack idiots in their place wi by MISTER_SMART	Sep 30th, 2002 07:13:14 AM
It's true
sounds stupid. by machina_ex_deus	Sep 30th, 2002 07:13:37 AM
how the hell is batman going to beat superman, when batman get's punched in his fucking face by regular human chicks all the time. Gets smacked around by bitches. It take super-humans and super-computers to kick supermans ass. Superman flies around the world backwards and reverses time for chrissake. Give me a break.
Good luck gettin it made by bulletproofpunk	Sep 30th, 2002 07:15:02 AM
with that superman abortion on the way,why would they let supes be in another film?
Btw, that SUPERMAN script looks A-OK to me, HARRY! All the idio by MISTER_SMART	Sep 30th, 2002 07:16:27 AM
.. jealous of you, Harry! Not that I could blame them - you have the connections and the clout and they're stuck complaining on the internet while their mom asks them when they're going to move out of the home and get a job like normal 35 year olds! BWA BWA BWA! Sorry, clowns, it's time these stale old characters get a new, hip.. "CooL" makeover! Keep it up Harry, YOU RULE!
Batman could take Supes! by bulletproofpunk	Sep 30th, 2002 07:17:32 AM
One word-kryptonite.
FIRST, and I still think... by MEC	Sep 30th, 2002 07:18:32 AM
...that Batman should be made into a TV series with strong focus on continuity. Instead of jamming umpteen friggin' characters/plots/stupidity into a two-hour movie, try making a seven year TV series so you can take the time to do it right. Imagine the first two years of the series is strictly solo Batman, then over time introduce Robin(s), Batgirl, Bane, etc. Can you imagine what they could do with Batman and Jim Gordon?
WHY CANT WARNERS DROP THE WHOLE SUPERMAN BATMAN SHIT IDEA!!!! by Antiriad	Sep 30th, 2002 07:19:09 AM
Seriously! Its been done right once! Why make fucked up rehashes like Planet Of The Apes?
Btw, moriarty should get on his hands and knees and beg HARRY by MISTER_SMART	Sep 30th, 2002 07:19:50 AM
... everything Mort is, he owes to Harry. Harry came and has done so much for so many, and if Mort has a problem because Harry's able to see the goodness in a GOOD SCRIPT that he doesn't like... well, who is the idiot? Sorry, Mort, HARRY is numero uno - not you!
nice to know JJ Abrams is posting by bulletproofpunk	Sep 30th, 2002 07:20:16 AM
nuff said
Hallelujah! by Desk	Sep 30th, 2002 07:24:39 AM
I've still far from happy with most of Abrams' plans for the new Superman film, but the impeccable credentials of legendary Batman comic scribe Frank Miller, the man who WROTE the title Aronofsky's film will be based on, fills me with much more confidence about the faithfulness of this superhero adaptation.
"Moriarty and I (though we're really not talking these days) by Darth Rosenberg	Sep 30th, 2002 07:26:23 AM
I wouldn't be talking to you, either. Moriarty probably thinks (as most of us do) that you sold out a friend (and fellow... journalist?) to rub elbows with a 2nd rate screenwriter.
aronofsky? by bulletproofpunk	Sep 30th, 2002 07:30:40 AM
I wasnt impressed with Resume For Work...err..Requiem For Whatever
Losing credibility by the second... by Doctor 13	Sep 30th, 2002 07:38:27 AM
I'm not at all suprised that you and Moriarty aren't on speaking terms (and if it's just a joke on us, then I'm surprised he could even think about associating with you). The guy writes a heartfelt review of the Superman script and you support his stance until you get starstruck after a call from JJ. You then switch allegiances and stand by your new Hollywood pal. One day you pester us to boycott Warners...the next you tell us all to chill and that the script has genuine promise. You have absolutely zero credibility left, Harry. I suggest you take some time off and have a good look at yourself...and stop taking calls from screenwriters. As much as I'd love to see an Aronofsky/Miller Batman movie, there's no way that Warners will allow a Batman film to be made that can't be accompanied by Happy Meals. It'd be great to see a truly dark Batman film but I just can't see Warners going for it.
Has a beer... by ChapaJ	Sep 30th, 2002 07:56:30 AM
So does this mean Gordon will still have a beer and cheet on his wife?
four things by spider-ham	Sep 30th, 2002 07:56:59 AM
1st. Harry, Moriarty I hope you guys patch things up. Friendship is greater than and hobby or job. 2nd Moriarty did over react to the script and Harry way over reacted to Moriarty's review. It may or may not be a bad movie but at this point, we don't know. 3. Batman: Year one: That would rule. I hope it does get done. 4. Harry (or Moriarty or anyone else) changing his mind does NOT equal selling out. Being open minded isn't a bad thing..
Is this Year One with jive-talkin', sweet-luvin' Alfred? by Human Tornado	Sep 30th, 2002 07:59:45 AM
Is it "DK2", lazy ass Frank Miller? Is it Warner Bros.? Sweet... Give Bats a space-monkey already. NO, WAIT! Give him BAT-MYTE! Yeah, that would sell a lot of toys. Fans are so fucking gullyble they actually believe Warners would go all Miramax and shit and deliver an adult version of a guy in a flying rat suit. "Ohhh, they shoul make Dark Knight Returns into a movie - you know, the one that would cost a billion to make and would still be rated R to keep its artistic integrity". Get outta here...
I think the sequel should be called 'Batman vs Superman 2: H by Half Price Pears	Sep 30th, 2002 07:59:48 AM
"You dipstick Robin - next time you try and get a Ruby stain out of the Batsuit, don't use the launderette on the estate - they only do boil washes and Soapy Sue's still after me for that one. I can't go and sort Superman out in this now can I, I'll have a conary just tryin' to get me bleedin' legs in! Sometimes you really are a palonka"!
Aronofsky? Kewl. by Noriko Takaya	Sep 30th, 2002 08:08:08 AM
He's gonna rock the hizzy with Batman: Year One. I love Requiem and Pi was nicely cerebral; can't wait to see what he does with the material. Perhaps aferward he'll have enough credibility to finally see The Fountain through to completion, and fuck Brad Pitt ever getting the part again. Success being the best revenge, I hope it wins 5 Oscars including best picture. If the Superman movie rocks as I hope hope hope it does, and then we get a good Batman trilogy started to wash away the bad taste the last two Bat-films left, can an epic Wonder Woman movie starring Lucy Lawless be far behind? Ahh, now that would make me a happy girl indeed. Toppu o Nerae!
Damn you all need to chill! by GeneralZoddd	Sep 30th, 2002 08:10:33 AM
These men in tights are really getting y'all hot 'n'n bothered aren't they? There isn't a sell out here, it's just two different opinions of a 1st draft script! Chill the fuck out! Mori gave a great review of a script that he hated COMING FROM A PERSON WHOSE HISTORY OF SUPES IS THE WARNERS FILMS. Harry answered that review with an interview with the scriptwriter and then a review of the script himself FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS GROW UP WITH THE COMICS and seen multiple takes on Superman's origin from many comic writers. Both were valid and informative, and I think that it's positive that Warners are flustered by aintitcool into improving the script and producing a film of substance (as Ms McD might say). The screenwriter is already listening and making changes, so this truely is Geekpower in action - what more can you ask for? P.S: I don't profess to know Harry or Mori - but the 'not talking' thing sounded like a joke to me - as in 'well we've disagreed about something and we're playing up to the fanboys'. Just chill the frig out everyone. Oh and that previous poster (you know who you are) please remove you head from Harry's arse - Mori does a great job too and Harry might need to sit down to update the site. Call Me Zoddd!
These days, Harry folds like Superman on laundry day... by Charlie & Tex	Sep 30th, 2002 08:14:03 AM
The debacle over that crappy new Superman script is a perfect example. It is astonishing that Harry would caautiously champion the bloody thing. We may not be the most hardcore os Supes fans, but Jesus, i think anyone who has experienced the Man of Steel in any existing format will know that something is profoundly wrong with this proposed version. With Harry being such a supposed "fan" of Superman, it's is pretty discraceful that he is enthusing about the thing like Warner just discretely slipped him a briefcase stuffed with greenbacks. Say it-ain't-so, Harry.
"thus we end up with the two guys going at it for the vast major by Ernie_is_evil	Sep 30th, 2002 08:18:39 AM
Sweet Jesus! First we have Jimmy Olsen is gay and now a whole superhero film with Batman and Superman giving into their homosexual desires!
All the hype that's fit to print. by Flash82	Sep 30th, 2002 08:19:02 AM
I'm very excited to hear that Year One is still a go. I had heard it was axed. This will be a real treat to fans and a great jumping on point for new comers. Now that I have better understanding of The Batman VS Superman premise, it does sound kind of cool. Almost seems like an old World's Finest comic. I'm sorry, but this new Superman Scrpit sucks the donkey dong and then some. The is a difference between taking a "hip CooL" look at something, and completely shitting on it. There are some good ideas in the script, but it needs a total rework. I'm still wondering who the hell thought it was a good idea to make Lex Luthor a Kryptonia. That takes away the entire reason Lex espises Superman, because of his superhuman abilities. What good would that stance be if Lex had the same abilities. Anyways...I'm glad the first 2 are green lit.
Why Harry and Mort aren't talking by Toby O Notoby	Sep 30th, 2002 08:28:36 AM
I think they declared a mortorium until Drew (Moriarty) is done with his script as it crosses the line. Wouldn't be surprised if the studio kinda requested it, actually (I know I would). How about setting the record straight, headgeek?
So Gordon has a beer and cheets on his wife...oh...nevermind. by geekzapoppin	Sep 30th, 2002 08:29:03 AM

woo-hoo, Moriarty on Howard Stern by Mr. Little-Jeans	Sep 30th, 2002 08:38:25 AM
Heard Moiarty on Howard Stern talking to Sir Anthony Hopkins. Jimmy Olsen gay? WTF?
APOLLO VS. MIDNIGHTER by cncoyle	Sep 30th, 2002 08:43:38 AM
Now THAT's a fight I'd like to see...
Batman Year 1 would be great but..... by NoOpinion	Sep 30th, 2002 08:45:45 AM
Although it seems it could be a go real soon, I very much doubt it. WB couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Instead of taking advantage of Aranofsky being available, they'll just screw it up again until the project dies.....again. Plus with the Batman, Superman films and Bats/Supes all supposedly going ahead now, they really need to plan these things right and get continuity straight, they can't all get made at once. If all three films go ahead we need some actor continuity.
You know, The Authority would be a great movie by cncoyle	Sep 30th, 2002 08:46:39 AM
What would be a better vehicle for a movie than the Authority property? It's balls-against-the-wall action and controversial as can be while it answers the questions of what superpowered beings would really do with celebrity and world politics. Hey Warner, there's another property you've got that would be kick-ass R/NC-17 kinda cool. Throw in some nudity and fast & furious cars and you've got all the makings of a blockbuster summer movie...
kryptonite batarangs etc... by Ali786	Sep 30th, 2002 09:14:10 AM
I would've preferred a storyline related more to the fact that both these heroes are doing what they do for different reasons as opposed to a 'soap-opera-bold-and-the-b eautiful-oh-no-you-killed-my-w ife-to-be' mumbo-jumbo... we've had a definitive Superman flick from Donner, but I never felt Burton's was up there in the same league..we're still waiting..
well... by joshuaonenine	Sep 30th, 2002 09:19:05 AM
I hope Batman year 1 is coming out sooner than later. Aronfrosky needs to do something with the project or get it taken away from him, because its been to long for him to have been working on this project and then show nothing for it.
boycott this site by ungiftedamateur	Sep 30th, 2002 09:21:07 AM
To all you losers who go on about Harry being a sell-out (because he dared change his stance) stop coming to his site. But obviously you won't cos you need his forum. What did Harry do after all-he took a call, which all of us would have done and reported it. If he was a real sell-out he would not have let on he spoke to JJ at all and sneakily changed the sire's stance. But he didn't. "When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do?" Harry, roll on...
Moriarty's ON STERN! by Cruel Shoes	Sep 30th, 2002 09:34:54 AM
Way to go! That was cool. I was hoping it was THAT Moriarty, and yes, it was.
Any one remember the 1950s? by CaptainWalker	Sep 30th, 2002 09:35:46 AM
I think I see through the vail of the secret conspiracy! Akiva Goldsman has actually been using J.J. Abrams good name as a front for his own scripts. This would explain the similarities between the Superman first draft, and this ridiculous plot premise for Batman vs. Superman.
um, Frank Miller? by citizenteasley	Sep 30th, 2002 09:39:22 AM
Look Frank Miller is a comic book genius but I do recall that his screen writing skills produced Robocop 2, I mean did you see that? It's TERRIBLE!! I just hope the man has improved a little.
Akiva Goldsman by Fortunesfool	Sep 30th, 2002 10:33:47 AM
Really, I ask you. Why is this man still working? Two Batmans, Lost in Space. They arent scripts they're marketing plans with crap jokes. Remember how good Batman Forever was until the credits finished and Val Kilmer said 'I'll get drive thru.'That was his fault. Akiva Goldsman. With any luck he'll pull a Jim Cameron and stop working after his Oscar.To the movie bin with him I say. He can swap stories with Renny Harlin and any Director with a one word name.
booooooring by aphekqs	Sep 30th, 2002 10:36:26 AM
fuck Warners, fuck Batman, fuck Superman, fuck aronofsky, fuck that HP jackoff, and fuck anybody naive enough to think this fucking movie will ever get made.
Harry and Moriarty should do a Siskel and Ebert by Drath	Sep 30th, 2002 10:52:39 AM
And discuss this thing on a live chat, or post a transcript/interview type deal(just so long as they talk in person) with them sharing their thoughts on the story of Superman and just get this out of their systems. I don't know what their working relationship is, maybe it's a case of Moriarty saying "You betrayed me you sell out," and Harry disagreeing, telling him "I know Superman better than you do, and besides this is my site, I decide who gets the last word on this subject," or something like that. I don't want to hate Harry in this, nor do I want to view Mori as a prima dona, but these two guys make this site, inflated egos and all, and while I'm sure they've come a lot closer to a Yoko-style disagreement than this in the past, they ought to just geek out and talk about the thing in good humor. Publish their respective "visions" and feelings for all to see. I mean, let's not get so pretentious here, there's no telling how this will ultimately go(even if Krypton not blowing up is stupid stupid stupid). Even the people who hated the '89 Batman or its sequels must admit that we STILL got Batman the Animated Series as a result of that success, and that was the single greatest adaptation of that or any comic book character ever. Granted, I suspect Batman and Robin had something to do with the premature death of both Batman Gotham Knights, and the animated Superman, but I don't believe the badness will last. If Marvel could turn around, so too can DC.
It's not Really Selling Out. This situation exemplifies why by Fearsme	Sep 30th, 2002 11:11:51 AM
First off, let me say that i don't think any of this is as big a deal as people are making it out (Harry and Mori) included. I don't think it's Harry "Selling OUt" Either. I think what is most frustrating about this is the fact that this is a whole lot of people jumping to conclusions. It's a script, a god damned script. Anyone who works in the industry realizes that movie from script is very different than the movie that ends up on screen. There is currently no better example than Manhunter/Red Dragon. In essence, the exact same source material, scripted by two different people, directed by two different people. In the end, you have two very different products. I think that many of the ideas here are awful, however, i do think that maybe Harry should have talked to JJ Abrams BEFORE he decreed that people should head out en masse to a book signing and harrass the guy. I think Harry was right to call him and say "what's up", thus getting the info from the source, because that's what journalists do. I think it's one of the key criticisms of the site and i think it holds true: Too many people are making judgements based on early script drafts, early test screenings, etc, etc. The fact that Warner Bros is "scrambling" to get things changed just shows that these articles have become as detremental to the creative process as the very focus groups Harry claims to loathe. How's that for irony? Dare i say it: Have we actually gotten to the point where the film sites have become the problem, rather than the solution? Just a theory. Oh, and to Harry/Mori, hope the fighting is little more than a joke. Movies are here to entertain us, they are supposed to be enjoyed, not become the source of friction. Peace.
DARTH ROSENBERG, that's harsh bro, but I'm gonna have to by Spacesheik	Sep 30th, 2002 11:12:18 AM
"I wouldn't be talking to you, either. Moriarty probably thinks (as most of us do) that you sold out a friend (and fellow... journalist?) to rub elbows with a 2nd rate screenwriter." That's it in a nutshell.
Warner's Superhero Franchises by Bender30	Sep 30th, 2002 11:23:18 AM
Well, hopefully JJ Abrams is going to change alot about his "reimagining" of the Superman mythos. Hopefully, he will go back to the true origins of the Man of Steel and not completely screw it up. Hopefully WB will see how well Marvel did with Spiderman without changing too much about the original character, other than the organic webshooters, pretty true to the original. Hopefully Batman will be done correctly and will not have nipples on the bat suit, nor any cod piece jokes that seemed to be a centrepiece for the most recent franchise. Hopefully if SvsB does come out, it does justice to both characters and does not make one look like a raging lunatic and the other one look like a government panzy that does exactly what he's told. Anyway, know I kinda rambled on there, just wanted to throw my two cents worth in. Thanks.
Fuck BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN, let's see a HARRY VS. MORIARTY mov by Monkey Lover	Sep 30th, 2002 11:30:59 AM
Starring Eric Stoltz as Harry and... errm, someone else as Moriarty. Directed by Joel Schumacher. With a script by Academy Award winner Akiva Goldsman. Imagine the puns! "Shit, Harry! Is that a gamma neutron shiny laser?" "Yeah... Ain't It Cool? (wink)"
someone please KILL YEAR ONE! & NOW! by lynxpro	Sep 30th, 2002 11:35:06 AM
Why on Earth do we need an origin movie for Batman? Doesn't everyone know that he never got over his parents death and swore personal vengeance on all criminals? Why do we have to go back to the same material each time? It was present in Burton's "Batman." It was brought back in "Batman Forever." We know it all from the cartoons (those that don't read comics, I'm speaking for the general public)... Why can't we have something fresh...say an actual Batman detective film, involving Talia and good ol' Ras? Why this 70s drug hack material? I personally think YEAR ONE is a worse project than that Superman Revision, and I think that's a pile too! Warner Bros., please get a clue. Even "A Death in the Family" would be a better storyline than YEAR ONE.
So the original review was a fake. by rev_skarekroe	Sep 30th, 2002 11:35:24 AM
I STILL think the "has a beer and cheets on his wife" script sounds like a real winner! sk
and while your at it, WB... by lynxpro	Sep 30th, 2002 11:37:28 AM
..cast an actor that would be actually believeable as Batman/Bruce Wayne... Someone like, drum roll please, David Boreanaz... from the sound of it, the star of your (well, 20th Century Fox Production but on the WB Network) own show "Angel" will be free once you guys cancel the show after this season...
my two cents...or pennies... by Amazing Crappo	Sep 30th, 2002 11:40:15 AM
I don't see why WB should even make a new Superman or even a Batman film. Granted, the Donner/Burton versions weren't perfect but they came pretty close. I'd like to see The Flash, Green Lantern or even Wonder Woman made into full length feature films. If they really want a Superman film, can't they wait until Smallville has finished and then spawn a film from that show? Otherwise, what's the point in having the show to start with? As for Batman, how about a TV show in continuity with Smallville with Bruce Wayne as young man (late teens) learning the ropes by kicking the crap outta everyone and then returing to Gotham as Batman after a few seasons...
Sir Anthony Hopkins on Howard Stern confirms Superman role by Neo77	Sep 30th, 2002 11:41:39 AM
Did Anyone catch Anthony Hopkins phone call to Howard Stern confirming that he is attached to the new Superman movie and Bret Ratner will definately direct. He also said that he hasn't even seen the script yet and he should be receiving it by next week, Also I even heard Moriarty call in telling Howard that Jimmy Olsen won't be gay in the movie.
I don't get it. If Lorenzo DiBonaventura has LEFT Warners... by AlwaysRight	Sep 30th, 2002 11:46:42 AM
How can he fast-track anything? What is he doing now? And who has the last word at the studio? Anyone?
Hummmm....so this means that by Headshotx	Sep 30th, 2002 11:50:49 AM
Lex Luthor has a beer and cheets on Batman and Superman...i wonder...will Lex start flying in the end of the movie? Why doesn
Batman Story Adaptations by GeneralZoddd	Sep 30th, 2002 11:51:59 AM
'A Death In The Family?' - not so much of a story, more a good reason to kill of Robin, no, better stories to make it to the screen would be 'The Killing Joke', 'Arkham Asylum' or even 'The Dark Knight Returns'. Actually I'd just like to put my neck out there and say that I thought DK2 was even better than DK. Sure DK was groundbreaking and the sequel could never have worked without it, but DK2 is pure social commentary and totally relevent to our political climate - is to D.C's credit that they published it General Zoddd out!
fettastic by Drath	Sep 30th, 2002 12:25:42 PM
Funny you should mention Jared Leto, as he's exactly who'd I'd cast in the role of Nightwing, not Batman. And I gotta disagree with you on Panic Room, he was hilarious there, and intentionally so. "I can't go to prison, I'm not built for that shit," god that made me laugh! He's sleepwalked through every role I've seen him in, that was the first time I thought he did something cool. That movie was too predictable though, you knew what would happen to all the bad guys right out of the gate. And third act was just rediculous. Raoul takes all those hits and can still pose a threat? Jodie Foster can't explain the situation to the cops when the bad guys only have a visual of her? Bad script, Fincher can do better.
Can Someone Explain To Me Why They Won't Just Greenlight Fra by NoCureForFools	Sep 30th, 2002 12:41:11 PM
it would be a HUGE hit. not only that, it would be a critical success as well. i just don't understand. i'm sure Aronovsky's vision of Year One will be cool, and it sounds like a great idea, BUT, with all of this Batman vs. Superman nonsense, why not just go to the source of the whole frickin' debate, which is the final chapter of DARK KNIGHT RETURNS? it's so stupid that the studios are staying away from it, but will greenlight this steaming pile of bullshit -- Batman about to get married?! whaaaa?! Superman "accidentally" kills her, but it's okay because it was actually Lex Luthor? (is this the CIA agent Luthor, perhaps?) that's just dumb. painfully, painfully dumb. i mean, maybe, it could be pulled off as an episode of the Smallville tv show or the Batman cartoon or a "very special issue" of some alternate universe comic, but a whole movie? a 100 million dollar juggernaut of a movie? that is just TERRIBLE. and it would be a monumental bomb. so i ask again, why don't they just produce DARK KNIGHT RETURNS? it's so obvious and so perfect and would be such a huge success that people would be like, "Spiderman, who?" well maybe not that far, but it would certainly make them forget the previous Batman films which have all, more or less, been utter disappointments. (p.s. Frank Miller can be forgiven for his utterly attrocious DK2. it's not his fault. i think he was pressured.)
Dark Knight Returns by GeneralZoddd	Sep 30th, 2002 01:01:05 PM
DK is probably thought of as too dark for the movies - think about it - Warners are pretty sure that they will get all the 'fanboys' into the cinema with a Batman film, but they also want the box office of the Kids and Parental Approval. So to triple the audience they really need to keep it a 'Parental Guidence' movie, also the films ARE (or have been) adverts for toys and merchadise and Happy Meals. THIS IS WHAT WARNERS WANT. It's very sad to think it but SOME people think that Batman and Robin was the best film in the franchise as it made a lot of money. Sad isn't it? If they film DK as it is written it will alienate the kids and the parents will drag them away screaming (see The glorious 'Batman Returns' for further details) and if they tone it down, as Fan boys will go apeshit - that's why DK will never been filmed whilst Warners are thinking the words 'Blockbuster' and 'Franchise'. By the way last talker - ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FRIGGIN' SKULL? The 1st two Batman films were absolute genius! Tim Burton managed something amazing with those films (especially 'Batman Returns')! And as for dissing DK2 - are you by chance a George Bush fan who didn't like what Miller was saying?!!! DK2 was amazing. General Zoddd
if supes is so great.... by the_dark_knight	Sep 30th, 2002 01:13:44 PM
couldn't he fly backwards round the world to a point when no baman movies had been made, even tim burtons.... i'm sorry but batman should be a beefy motherfucker, with a tank for a batmobile, not a suped up ferrari and a pvc suit!!!!!!! i've always preffered batman he is human and not perfect and has more than one weakness!!!!! oh and batman can take supes, he did it once when he was like 65 for fuck's sake- if u have no idea wot i'm on about read the dark knight returns!!! oh and the superman script want that bad pitty about luthor though- alien wot the fuck
Continuity Problems??????? by ac_01	Sep 30th, 2002 01:22:04 PM
Firstly, i'l make it known for the record that Hackiva is a talent-free zone. Secondly, Doesn't anyone else see the continuity problems in this. In Abrahms Superman Lex is a CIA agent and in BatsvsSupes he's the megalomaniac we all love????? One of the scripts is going to have to change hopefully it will be JJ's. I think BatsvsSupes would be a great way to bring both franchises together for the ultimate finale.
The idiotic rewriting the arrogant by Theta	Sep 30th, 2002 01:42:07 PM
Considering Andrew Kevin Walker's run of scripts, I don't think Akiva Goldsman can lower the quality any further. Let's see..."Seven" and "8MM", badly researched crime thrillers that used the same old stale conventions. "Sleepy Hollow" ghost-rewritten by Tom Stoppard as a personal favor to Tim Burton (or so I've heard.) But at least "Batman: Year One" has been fast-tracked...I never thought I'd say this, but thanks, Lorenzo Di Bonaventura!
Please God let it rain Bat-treats! by direktor	Sep 30th, 2002 01:44:31 PM
Oh dear Lord, I wanna see an Aronofsky Batman! Frankly I'd rather see another Batman film sans Shcumacher 1,000,000 times more than Superman. And I'm starting to kind of dig that Batman vs Superman idea. Can you imagine Batman going berserk for roughly 2 hours of screentime, trying his damndest to kill Supes? Batman wouldn't stand a chance but he'd make an admiral effort. Now the key to this whole Batman thing is Aronofky, a kick ass script, Lorenzo with a clear mind (I don't trust him much either, but I'm willing to give him a shot cause I know he's pissed about Alan Horn taking over and wants to make a KICK ASS FILM to show those Warner turds!) a fantastic cast (Christian Bale or Colin Farrell as Batman, Denis Farina as Gordon, Morgan Freeman as Alfred... I'm not kidding, or I'd be happy with Michael Gough, but isn't he dead? That fat guy from L.A. Confidential as Bullock... he was Russel Crowe's hot headed partner), and laid back marketing campaign (or people will think it's another Batman and Robin), 2.35:1 Aspect Ratio, and a minimal ammount of visual FX (or at least FX that don't LOOK like FX) and you got a winner. Turst me. Cause I know what I'm talking about.... BIG SMILE. Go Darren! Get revenge on that fucker Brad Pitt, show 'em what ya got!
did harry sell out? My thoughts... by inkymae	Sep 30th, 2002 01:46:41 PM
I dont think Harry has sold out anymore than he usually has. He liked Armageddon and Godzilla alot and strangely enough he was personally invited to the premieres by the directors. Harry's perspective has always been biased to the filmmakers that give him attention. J.J. Abrams called him and kissed his ass and Harry did the same. (Yes, I remember his thoughts on Rollerball, but the exception proves the rule). Also keep in mind that Harry's perspective on scripts is usually pretty skewed anyway. I heard an NPR interview where Harry said that he originally liked the "Batman and Robin" script. I trust Moriarity. I trust his reviews and I trust his opinion. Harry owns the site but Moriarity has a clue.
Harry's opinion doesn't mean shit! I heard an NPR interv by inkymae	Sep 30th, 2002 01:48:03 PM

ok ok by the_dark_knight	Sep 30th, 2002 01:54:00 PM
I dont know if general zodd was talking to me as the last speaker, but ok ok tim burtons two movies were gr8, i dont know why i said it, but the last 2 come on!!! i still stick by the point that batman should be beefier and have a tank.. that'd pull me in if it was on a trailer!!!! also i dont know if this has been said already but how about batman yr.1 as a tv series like smallville, i mean that rules!!! it could be amazing get a little known as a young/ late teens bruce..... sounds good huh
Oh ? And will it be "improved" by having Bruce Wayne bitten by a by RobinP	Sep 30th, 2002 02:10:40 PM
Sarcasm rocks !!
God, no! by MaryTylerMorbid	Sep 30th, 2002 02:26:02 PM
Batman vs. Superman? Is this really neccessary? Shouldn't these studio synchophants be sinking their money into more vital, exciting projects like, uh, Freddy Vs. Jason? Or maybe even the animated version of Normal Fell Vs. Don Knotts?
it's all very well to change your mind about something... by Dragonfire	Sep 30th, 2002 02:28:30 PM
If the reason he changed his mind had been because he had taken a closer look at the script and decided that maybe there was some potential there, it would have been understandable, but the fact that he suddenly switched from being absolutely hostile to the script to being open-minded about it after a phone call from the script writer does make it seem a bit...well...ridiculous.
love to see it happen, still don't quite believe it will... by inc	Sep 30th, 2002 02:40:01 PM
First of all, anyone who thinks Aronofsky isn't one of the most promising new filmakers to come out of America in the last decade should to stick to Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer movies. Maybe when you're older you might understand what real filmmaking is about. ----- Still, I was surprised than WB would pick a filmmaker like Aronofsky for one of their big budget properties. Aronofsky and Frank Miller would have no problem coming up with the darkest Dark Knight ever seen on screen, but would WB let them? I don't think Bruce would be on smack, but a guy like that could quite easily be popping a whole pharmacy of prescription drugs provided by the army of high-paid shrinks that a rich nutball's money can buy. As far as films about paranoia and insanity go, Aranofsky has the pedigree all the way. This could finally be the Batman movie that really deals with the fact that this guy is a vigilante and is not all that different to the criminals he goes after. That's real film noir kids. ----- The thing is that the film I'm imagining them coming up with is one that WB would want cut down from an NC17 to a PG, leaving a 10 minute short of Bats getting dressed and maybe driving a slick car (i.e. the short version of Bats 3 & 4). ----- It all depends on whether WB is willing to let a Batman property aim at an R audience, or whether they will try to force them to make a family-friendly picture. I think the latter is more likely, and it'll result in the usual mess that always happens when the creative talent are in conflict with the studio. ----- Then agian, Aronofsky has only made two films so far, so maybe he does have a summer "blockbuster" in him. Nobody would have thought Sam Raimi or Peter Jackson did 10 years ago. ----- - inc -
Hey, BadAssUncleFucka by MEC	Sep 30th, 2002 02:57:10 PM
Uncle Fucka? You mean, you fuck your uncle? OK, whatever. Normally, I would agree with you about dickheads posting FIRST with nothing else to say, but didn't you read the rest of my post? I actually had something to say. And, when I thought I was first, someone else only beat me by a minute. Also, while we are on the subject of wasting bandwidth space, you had NOTHING worthwhile to say about this topic. You got nothing better to do than rant at other posters you Sally-Jesse-Raphael wannabe? (now THERE is someone who has a cock)
I guess Jor-El couldn't talk her out of dying by Son Of Batboy	Sep 30th, 2002 03:03:24 PM
That Batsy sure has mighty bad luck. Hope Alfred has a sound Life Insurance Policy.
Someone send a copy of BATMAN AND ROBIN to WB by Bryan	Sep 30th, 2002 03:04:42 PM
Apparently they haven't seen it. Seriously, this is what talkbackers should be going apeshit over. I know Akiva Goldsman won an Academy Award for a movie that nobody will ever think of again after a year. That dubious accomplishment does not erase his track record and let him start over as a talented writer. It is not an exaggeration to say that BATMAN AND ROBIN is one of the worst movies ever made - this is widely acknowledged. Even looking at it from the perspective of a WB executive it should be a no-brainer. BATMAN AND ROBIN: killed the WB's biggest franchise dead in its tracks. Made the very idea of Batman movies embarassing for non comic book fans. Got numerous executives fired. That movie is the very reason why they are resorting to BATMAND VS. SUPERMAN, so it should be common sense to not let the guy who wrote it even into the building where he is at risk of jotting a note on the margins of a script. LOST IN SPACE: another attempt at a huge franchise that ended in nothing but embarassment and shelves full of action figures sitting for years on the markdown shelf at Toys R Us. His most successful genre movie was BATMAN FOREVER and that's a movie that is now widely hated that is considered the beginning of the end for the series due to Goldsman and Schumacher's, uh, unique vision. Letting Akiva Goldsman rewrite a super hero movie is like letting Michael Jackson babysit your kids. Except Akiva Goldsman can't dance.
Batman vs Superman vs Lex Luthor vs Aliens vs Predator vs Termin by Modern_Achilles	Sep 30th, 2002 03:20:01 PM
FUCK OFF WITH THESE LAME "VERSUS" MOVIES ALREADY! If it sucks as a comic book, then it'll sure as hell suck as a WB movie!
Is it true Moriarty has his own web-site? by Glitcher	Sep 30th, 2002 03:37:50 PM
If so, does anyone know the URL?
by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 04:04:24 PM

Fettastic, did you not like Requiem for a Dream or something? by Vegas	Sep 30th, 2002 04:19:50 PM
Seriously, we got it. You hate Aronofsky. You've made this point countless times. You've failed on all of those times save the first to add anything of interest to your endless rantings about how bad Aronofsky is. Do I want drugs in Batman Year One? Why would you assume there would be? I don't remember drugs in Pi. That's half of Aronofsky's filmography! The reason there were drugs in Requiem is because there were drugs in the novel! Because that was what the novel was about! Because that was the novel he wanted to adapt! Sorry he didn't clear it with you first Fettastic, but some of us liked the movie regardless. But you didn't. Again, FINE, we know. You don't have to post the same tired bitch over and over and over and over...
finally some Batman Year One news. by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 04:20:24 PM
i don't want to get too excited here, cuz ever since 1997, every mention of a Batman or Superman project has fallen apart. now Supes is going into production on his own, and this past week, it's been the top story on this and i imagine any other site. it's been a great story to follow, but one thing seems for certain: it's going to happen. but Batman: Year One... i dunno. i adore Aronofsky. i adore Burton's Batman, and enjoyed much of Batman Returns. even Forever was tolerable at times. the idea of a younger, leaner, darker Batman has me on the edge of my seat drooling in anticipation. i still remember when that script review got posted here on AICN some time ago, which of course started one of the many ongoing tb comments (the cheets one), and how it wasn't completely positive. it sounded sorta silly. but even then, i reminded myself of a comment i once read by Aronofsky himself, where he said that he finds it hard to prove his talent on the page, but once behind the camera he just shines. okay, so he didn't use the word shines, but the point is, i trust him (based on the technical aesthetics of Requiem) enough to believe he will make one helluva film once he gets behind the camera. but of course, not only has it never been officially announced that he will be the director of the project, chances are this will fall apart in the coming weeks as usual.
to Fettastic... by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 04:51:25 PM
i really liked your post, up until your frustrated attack on Aronofsky near the end. i like quite a bit of what you have to say about the other filmmakers. i love Raimi. i adore the man. i like Jackson, though nothing he's done recently can touch the brilliance of Heavenly Creatures. yes, i love Fincher too. Spielberg... well that's a no-brainer. E.T. alone is the sign of a genius at work. not to mention A.I., Close Encounters, Raiders, and Jaws. i've been a fan of Cameron's for a while, though he's been pissing me off a lot lately. The Terminator's may be great, as is Aliens and True Lies, and i still stick by my love for Titanic, but the man better do something quick to prove he still has it. i hated every second of the atrocious Dark Angel that i actually saw, and i got a great kick of the fact that Cameron's first directing gig after helming the biggest movie ever, was the finale of that shit show that a few days later would be cancelled. he certainly has a sense of scope with his films, though his writing has definite faults. that's my one major complaint about Titanic, that the screenplay unconsciously borders on cheese time and again. Titanic has been rightfully compared to Fleming's Gone With The Wind: a big, gigantic love story set against the backdrop of a major historical event (the American Civil War in Wind, the, well, Titanic in Titanic). but the thing is, Wind boasts one of the great screenplays in cinema history, whereas Titanic is constantly spouting silly dialogue. so that's Cameron. but as for Aronofsky, i completely disagree. Requiem is a brilliant work of art. i generally do not like the MTV style of filmmaking, any sort of use of split-screen or time-lapse photography generally makes me sick... but Aronofsky's work in Requiem is so completely arresting, so internally driven, that i found myself joyfully swallowed up inside the imagination of a gifted young filmmaker. for me, Aronofsky has crafted an experience so unique it is frighteningly engaging and obsessively complete. for me, he IS an extreme talent.
Batman will beat Superman every time... by owemewan_yaboabi	Sep 30th, 2002 05:19:40 PM
...because it is a classic struggle between brains over brawn. Superman just doesn't use his head enough because of his superpowers. I mean why learn how to disarm a bomb when you can just throw it into space. Batman has trained his whole life to out-fight and out-think his opponents because his first mistake maybe his last. Superman is invulnerableuntil exposed to kryptonite and Batman knows this. The mind is the greatest weapon.
Why can't we just use "The Dark Knight Returns" ? by Masteel	Sep 30th, 2002 05:36:53 PM
The best Batman comic ever was of course, The Dark Knight Returns series by Frank Miller. That had S vs. B. Why can't they just use that? Anything else is just going to be watered down, not as exciting. Any word on if anyone's considering using that?
The reason for Harry/Moriarty Feud... by Dannychico	Sep 30th, 2002 06:08:32 PM
Anyone notice that Harry no longer has the link to Moriarty's Superman script review up? No wonder Moriarty is pissed at Harry. The Big One sold out and WB asked him to take down all negative superman stuff on this site because it was creating bad press. Moriarty, we will all go to your renegade site if you give us the URL. If you build it, they will come.
cant wait for Batman year one. by manwiththedogs	Sep 30th, 2002 06:11:46 PM
if even half of Miller's great Batman origin story makes it to the screen, it will be the best comic movie ever.
fettastic speaks the truth by eau hellz gnaw	Sep 30th, 2002 06:41:33 PM
D.A. is one of the most overrated directors at the moment, especially by younger people. I don't hate the guy, and he can be interesting at times, but he's mostly smoke and mirrors, no sustance. However, I'd still like to see his take on Batman. I don't doubt that he can deliver an original vision.
YOU SOLD OUT A FRIEND, HARRY... LIVE WITH IT! by Kenshiro_Kane	Sep 30th, 2002 06:49:25 PM
There's nothing worse than a rat, Harry. And you, my obese, corporate ass-kissing pal, are a rat. You screwed Mori and deserve all of the scorn and disdain you're getting for it. It's one thing to sell out your credibility for approval from a group of studio heads who will always view you as a corpulant means-to-an-end who can be bought with a few favors- but it's another thing to sell out a pal in the process. "SUPERMAN" will suck and, now, so do you, Harry.
OK HARRY AND MORIARTY KISS AND MAKE UP ALREADY by OGREISHERE	Sep 30th, 2002 06:58:42 PM
Dont make tie you up clockwork orange style and make you watch a pauly shore films fest. Dont think i wont do it.
The word "hack" seems to get thrown around a lot on AICN, but wh by empyreal0	Sep 30th, 2002 07:22:21 PM
Y'know, when I read that Akiva Goldsman, writer for Batman and Robin wrote A Beautiful Mind, I was not surprised. That movie [ABM] was probably the single most overrated piece of shit in the last ten years of cinema. Mediocre to poor in all categories. Ron Howard won the oscar on sympathy for being screwed in years' past - he is WAY past his prime, the poor guy. Crowe is an arrogant, talentless asshole. Connelly was the only talent in the entire movie - she actually DESERVED her oscar. It doesn't surprise me anymore that the WB would hire him to write. The morons probably can't get anyone better. WB is dead. Oh, and Fettastic is right - aronovsky is overrated.
Harry... by Da-Met	Sep 30th, 2002 07:23:35 PM
Screw you. You sold out the site, your integrity and your friend, because of a phone call and because your ass gets starstruck so easily. Hey Harry how come I can't get to Moriarty's review? How about putting both yours and Moriarty's review on the front so we can compare. How about putting YOUR CALL to boycott? This abortion of a movie IS going to be made, and it's all because of YOU, you frelling tralk. WB was scared and worried, until they sent their little obese whipping boy to calm the masses. You lost any bit of credibility you had with your sudden turn around. "BOYCOTT ALL WB STUFF, BOYCOTT SMALLVILLE, GO TELL JJ ABRAMS AT HIS APPEARANCE NOT TO MAKE IT" phoen call from Abrams "MOST OF IT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD! THE GLASS IS 4/5th FULL! GO TO HELL MORIARTY." No, Harry YOU go to hell for ruining Superman forever. This piece of shit (which I will not pay a penny to see. Maybe i'll DOWNLOAD IT). This movie, no I refuse to call it the S-word, it doesn't deserve it. This SuperAbortion is going to get made and I blame you. Frell you up your red dren filled ass.
IF MORI'S GOT A SITE OF HIS OWN, LET ME KNOW, I WANNA GO THE by empyreal0	Sep 30th, 2002 07:27:08 PM
Mori's always had the most intelligent, and often-times humorous reviews on this website. Harry may be twice the man that Mori is, but that's only due to eating habits.
Fuck yeah. by Dannychico	Sep 30th, 2002 07:28:55 PM
Amen dude. Amen
Hey Fettastic! by mtoast	Sep 30th, 2002 07:34:52 PM
Given your user ID, it's no wonder you don't like Aronofsky! Anyone so enamored with the product of George Lucas' plaid-shrouded anus couldn't possibly begin to understand the visionary talents of Darren Aronofsky. Seriously, Star Wars is the biggest self-parody in film. You complain about Aronofsky's storytelling? And you're a Star Wars fan???! Did you see the last couple of installments?! Yow! You complain about the editing in Aronofsky's films? But George Lucas' ultra-cool use of the wipe is fine by you? Aronofsky has more talent in his pinky than ol' George has in his entire double-pronged purple lightsaber! (on sale now at Toys-R-Us. Batteries not included)
What happened to the Ghetto Fab Batman with the Black Alfred and by Steal_Dragon	Sep 30th, 2002 07:44:24 PM

If Batman wanted to take out Superman he could. by Smeg For Brains	Sep 30th, 2002 08:00:50 PM
If Batman had a reason to want to do in the ol' Supes he probably could, though I'm sure with a bit of trouble. Think about it, Superman, though he may not always approve of Bat's ways, really has nothing against Batman, and would never go all out against him, unless, maybe, he went crazy and was threatening others. Batman on the other hand knows all about Superman, including that he would never win against him in an all out fight. Batman would be smart enough to figure out a way to take Supes out before he even knew what hit him. He would be like all of the Superman villains times ten, and with the full trust of Supes along the way. That is what the film should be like. Superman has no idea that Bats is after him, and Bats doesn't let on. Then after they finally figure out what is really going on Bats could admit what he was up to. It would be a pretty funny scene to have Superman realize how close he came to falling into Batmans trap, and it could set a bit of distrust between them for use in other possible Bats/Supes movies. Man I hope Year One is made, and well. I would love a real Batman movie where he is really a hardass, asskicker who can handle himself without tricks and gadgets. I think that is what we would get with this.
So Bats could take Supes? by MatherGeek	Sep 30th, 2002 08:19:48 PM
What would have happened if Batman had faced Doomsday in his first incarnation the way superman did, i.e. without warning or preparation? What would have happened if Superman had fought Batman with the same conviction and desperation that he had when he faced Doomsday? He would have had his ass handed to him either way and there would be no Batman Beyond. You fanboys always limit Superman by having him face Bats bound by his morality and no killing clause. Let's take the kid gloves off and see what happens. P.S. Harry, Curt Swan=Sucks John Byrne=rocks Sometimes it's not always cool to be retro.
Is there any doubt by Qwerty Uiop	Sep 30th, 2002 08:33:02 PM
Batman hands Superman his ass every time they face off. Why? Because thats why Batman is great, he knows how to beat all those lame ass, brightly colored, panties on the outside of the pants wearing losers. Hes always ready in case one goes bad. Superman's not even human, and Batman is ready in case he decides to turn. Batman is ready and willing to take out his alien ass. sound crazy? Well, he is Batman, after all.
Batman is ALWAYS prepared by Qwerty Uiop	Sep 30th, 2002 08:39:30 PM
Always. He wouldn't fight doomsday head on, and Superman going crazy and coming at him full force is exactly the type of situation Batman would plan for. I believe, that Superman even trusted Batman with the kryptonite bullets in one issue. Superman couldn't get near Batman without him knowing, its what he does. He's this crazy fucker, down in his cave figuring out different ways to defeat everyone. Thats why Batman is the only non-powered hero in the JLA, that why hes theone who always saves them. How many times has it happened? Look at Dark Knight (but run from DK2) and see how easily Bats does it. Sure, he'd probably get a little beat up, but in the end, Batman will be the one standing, admittedly barely standing, but still standing.
So how would Batman take out Doomsday? by MatherGeek	Sep 30th, 2002 08:51:23 PM
You didn't address the issue. "Batman would kick Doomsday ass because he's always prepared and he's cool" is not a solution to the quandry of how he would handle an invincible uber-violent juggernaut. I know we're dealing with fantasy here, but you fanboys love to speculate and formulate. So give it a try. Remember, Doomsday was as fast as the Flash and stronger than Superman. Batman walks up to him in a dark alley,not knowing what he is, and does what, exactly? Yeah, that's right, he dies.
arthouse vs. pop by inc	Sep 30th, 2002 08:54:56 PM
I was going to throw in a few points in defense of Aronofsky, but other people are doing that already. The main thing I was saying in my post is that I was surprised that they would pick an arthouse director for a popular film franchise. Fettastic, going by the name if nothing else, obviously prefers popular Hollywood "realist" filmmaking. Both of Aranofsky's films are expressionist and therefore fit into the arthouse category. This is NOT reality here, this is film. They're both just different ways of telling a story, like it or not. ----- I think it would be incredibly an incredibly bold move for WB to allow an arthouse-style Batman movie to be made. Cut the budget, fine. Do it low-powered like Todd McFarlane keeps saying he wants to do Spawn 2. This guy doesn't have superpowers anyway: he's a gumshoe with gadgets and a screw loose. Batman can be done on the cheap so easily. Make it a small, dark, psychological film that really does something with the character. Take a comic book property with all the low-brow "trash" preconceptions that the general public associate with it and make something that is intensely and undeniably artistic. Water it all down in sequels, 'cause that's what always happens anyway. Fine, it would be R rated and make 20 times less then another Schumacher sequel, but it would open up the possibilities for all the stories in the history of comicdom to actually be considered for adaptation. Just getting such a movie made would be enough. There are so many stories I can remember from my comic reading days that I know would never get made because comic-book adaptations always have to be done as PG-rated summer blockbusters. It wouldn't be a successful blockbuster, but it would be an outstandingly successful arthouse film. ----- As I said in my first post, I'd love to see it happen but I don't believe it will. Living in hope here. ----- As for the Raimi & Jackson vs. Aranofsky comparison, I was talking more about their family-unfriendly subject matter there and, fine, I should have said 15 years ago with Raimi (though straight-to-video sequels aren't much of a sign of success). I don't know how anyone can have any faith in Cameron after that bloody boat movie, but that's a different argument. Lucas and Cameron both need to admit that they aren't scriptwriters... Aronofsky, on the other hand, was able to write one of the handful of non-space-opera non-FX-soaked actual SCIENCE fiction movies ever made (a couples others: The Andromeda Strain and Gattacca) and do it on a shoestring budget with style. As for Fettastic's problems with Requiem's story, take it up with Hubert Selby. As for your problems with the style, I'm sure you'd be happier with a Michael Bay movie too.
PISS ON THIS by TomVee	Sep 30th, 2002 09:16:41 PM
"WB couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery." Piss up in a brewery? What is this? I am seeing far too much of this presumably British slang slipping into this talkback. You Brits, stay outta this one! Hou know who you are! This one's strictly for Americans as Superman is the American to end all Americans, even if he was created by some Canadian boys! SO stay the hell out, you Brit twits!
SMOKIN'! by TomVee	Sep 30th, 2002 09:34:14 PM
"And SEVEN has got to be the most OVERRATED movie of all time. So there." Somebody's smoking the old crack pipe for sure. SE7EN is one of the best films of the last 10 years. Make that 20.
Akiva has not written one really awesome movie. His list is main by TheMatarife	Sep 30th, 2002 10:31:09 PM
Lost in space: shit Batman Forever: shit Batman and Robin: worse than shit Practical Magic: shit Lost in Spacce: shit.... How is this guy still working in hollywood? He must have bought his god damn Oscar. Or rather, dreamworks did. There were much more deserving movies last year. fuck goldsman if he fucks up any more movies.
Superman vs Batman by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	Sep 30th, 2002 11:08:19 PM
Batman is the more interesting character, but come on, in a fight Superman would destroy him. The most powerful man on Earth vs a detective that works out a lot. I know he has a lot of Bat gizmos, but Lex Luthor had his own fair share of gizmos, and never got anywhere. Even in the Dark Knight story everybody refers to, Batman had a shitload of help from other people. I imagine a fight between them would be something like when Daredevil fought the Hulk years ago, Daredevil put up a valient effort, but in the end was outclassed. Hulk jumped off leaving Daredevil in a pool of his own blood and piss. And Hulk was stupid, Superman is not.
Kryptonite by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	Sep 30th, 2002 11:15:43 PM
Oh, and spare me that crap about all Batman would need is a kryptonite bullet. When you say that, does it not cross your mind that all anyone needs to kill Batman is a regular bullet? Heck, it wouldn't even need to be from a 357 magnum or anything, just a 22 caliber would do it. Actually a well placed brick on the side of the head would do it.
As soon as Akiva's gone, it'll be good news by Superman Vs. WB	Sep 30th, 2002 11:58:30 PM
Until then.
But fettastic, Requiem has one thing all those other movies will by Sith Lord Sauron	Oct 1st, 2002 12:21:22 AM
And that, my friend, makes it all worthwhile.
Super Harry vs. Bat Moriarty by Regis Travolta	Oct 1st, 2002 01:11:12 AM
I'd spend good money to see that movie!
Mathergeek by Qwerty Uiop	Oct 1st, 2002 01:21:00 AM
I don't know how Batman would take on Doomsday, you see, I'm not Batman and he rarely shares his plans with me. If I were Batman I guess I A.) would not be unprepared as to who Doomsday is, after all, he must be famous, he killed superman for awhile and it was on TV and B.) would not even bother to "fight" him. He's stronger than me. I'd probably take one of those JLA transporters and transport Doomsday into space, something like that. But like I said, I'm not Batman, so who knows what he'd do. Not to mention the fact that neither Batman nor Doomsday are real, and while Batman commands a million dollar franchise and Doomsday is a cheap Hulk rip off needed for an even cheaper publicity stunt, I'd say Batman wipes the floor with Doomsday in a single, stand alone, throw away PR stunt issue. Any other arguement would be based on masturbatory fanboy fantasies. As for the Superman/Batman who would win question? Find me one time, in all the times the two have squared off, where Batman did NOT have Superman dead to rights and then let him go.
I Am A Huge Batman Fan by ILoveEwksAndJJar	Oct 1st, 2002 01:48:11 AM
and I could'nt handle a Batman letdown if there ever was one, especially after the whole Superman shite. Nope, I still don't get it. Why shite? Am I missing something here?!
The Aranofsky bashing by direktor	Oct 1st, 2002 03:01:21 AM
I respect people's opinions, they're entitled to them. This is a forum for people who wanna be heard. So hear this. Requiem for a Dream is FAR better than what is being said about it by fetastic and a few others. It's not brilliant, but it's a great flick. I enjoyed it. You didn't like the characters? Oh well. Are you SUPPOSED to like the charcaters? No. Are they interesting? I always find people with addictions intersting, hell I'm one of them. I'm addicted to movies and women's bodies. Am I interesting? Who gives a damn. The bashing of Aranofsky puzzles me. The man is a great filmmaker. He's very skilled, and is a worthy talent. Pi was a little dry, but it worked. D.A.'s only done two films, give him a shot. Bashing him because you don't like his style? So I take it Michael Bay and McG have your blessing? Anyway, enough blabbering. Aranofsky's a talented man, he makes great films and he will make a fantastic YO.
Actually, SLEEPY HOLLOW did get a major rewrite. by Cash Bailey	Oct 1st, 2002 03:16:09 AM
Walker's script was over-hauled by Tom Stoppard, then mangled into insensibility by Tim Burton. Andy Walker's first draft was a balls-out horror epic that would never would have gotten past the MPAA intact. His Ichabod Crane was a haunted, fascinating character, not the whiny bitch Depp played him as. And Christina Ricci should never be cast as anything other than a mopey goth.
Batman uninteresting? by Hoof Hearted	Oct 1st, 2002 04:05:17 AM
What? Heres a guy so self determined, he can not only stand with all the superheroes and be respected, but feared as well. He has no superpowers, but any hero who knows him would not cross him. Batmans story and character make him one of the more interesting characters DC has. The problem with Superman, like the original Avengers is that hes too powerful. He's always got some power to get him out a situation, he doesn't use tactics, just force. No one can beat him, unless you have someone just as powerful, or you have kryptonite, and too much of that just gets lame. Batman would be wary of a gun, he has to be, hes just human, and that weakness makes him interesting.
I give up by BitterMan23	Oct 1st, 2002 07:11:13 AM
I'm sick of hearing anything Batman or Superman related. It won't surprise me in the least that this time next year we're still hearing about one or the other "about to go in production", "fasttracked" etc. Enough. Next time I read an article with these subjects, it will be a review of the screened film.
"Can you imagine how much better Seven or Sleepy Hollow could ha by AggregateScore	Oct 1st, 2002 07:45:39 AM
Is that a joke? I couldn't tell.
Do it. Stay outta their way. Get Wes Bentley. by mojof	Oct 1st, 2002 08:11:11 AM
First off, no, Batman hasn't been done properly yet. Aranofsky has suggested as much, and he's right. Burton's Batman doesn't even come close to nailing the character. (I remember some kinda dance number, in a museum, with Prince on the soundtrack. I also recall a cumbersome, impractical suit, way too much mugging from Jack Nicholson, and a Gotham City that looked like a 1920s version of The World of Tomorrow. And wasn't there, like, a really flat and anti-climactic fist fight in a bell tower?) Burton couldn't decide if he was doing Miller's Batman or a "re-imagining" of the 60s TV series. Fuck Tim Burton (except for Ed Wood, and the set design on POTA) and the horse he fucking rode in on. Down to business, then: Is Miller still on board with this thing? If so, keep him there and stay the fuck out of his and Darren's way. Miller understands the character (probably better than anyone) and Aranofsky's got a fine grasp on how to make a movie (even more importantly, how to make THIS kind of movie) and if their given the proper level of freedom, they can and will deliver gold. One would think. Finally, for the lead get Wes Bentley to handle Bats. He looks well-bred but completely cracked... put him on steroids or whatever they did to little Toby for Spiderman. That's the other thing. You know Burton had the character wrong when in interviews he spouted that whole line of "Batman's just a regular guy, that's why I got Mr. Mom to play him." Batman's NOT a regular guy. He's the furthest thing from a fucking regular guy. He's a man of some extreme and aberrant will, drive and unhappiness that he BECOMES something more than human. Physically he's terrifying, and capable of things that almost no other human can do -- he's forged himself into the ultimate weapon. He's not right. He's intimidating as hell. Burton's attempts to humanize the character were totally ill-advised and contrary to the character's true spirit. Not that there's not a humanity to the character, but you don't get to it by casting a normal-looking, good-natured balding, curly-haired ex-comic who's best dramatic work was done playing a coke head. (Then again, Burton was always more interested in his colorful villains than his title character. Danny DeVito as the Penguin?? That's so fun!!!) Anyway, so yeah, Miller & Aranofsky, stay outta their way, get Wes Bentley or failing that some charismatic unknown, and then let the grand opera of the whole thing breathe a bit. Sure, it probably won't be the same hit with the under-12s as Spider-Man was, but that's a different character. Making Batman properly is no more (and probably less) of a risk than Universal's taking with Ang Lee's the Hulk. Fuckers gotta realize, there IS an audience for this thing, if you do it fucking properly.
Anti-British taunts by WT	Oct 1st, 2002 08:16:19 AM
Our prime minister bum licks your dipwad president, the least you can do is shut your cakehole. Yes, I use British slang becuase I am British, I don't give a monkey's if you can't be bothered to have a shufty at what I'm blarning. And the sad fact is there are no decent British superheroes. James Bond is as close as we're gonna get, possibly followed up by Lara Croft. Anyhow, back to my point. Were it not for the English, you wouldn't have a bloody language. Were it not for the Scottish, you wouldn't have TV, and I'm sure the Welsh did something at some point, and of course vast populations of Irish-Americans and people pretending they're Irish. As for Batman v. Superman, I hope they keep on Colin Farrell as Batman. He deserves a proper break.
Post-script by WT	Oct 1st, 2002 08:38:13 AM
Wes Bentley is a bad choice. If he couldn't work out that American Beauty was an (albeit weak) satire, there is little hope. In a weird way, I feel sorry for Schumacher, he makes a lot of films over his years and the one big sell out film he does everyone jumps. Speilberg does the same, everyone's going "Wow! he's gone all mature." Bullshit.
Jimmy Olsen by ChapaJ	Oct 1st, 2002 09:48:04 AM
So in this script Jimmy Olsen has an insatiable penchant for anal sex?
I Like This Project by CaptDanielRoe	Oct 1st, 2002 11:00:17 AM
Okay Warners: Greenlight on Aronofsky directing Year One. .............................. .............................. .............................. ............. Frank Miller who I greatly admire for his work in comics (it's all at least far better-than-average, but often ingenious), has contributed to some lame projects in movies (RoboCop's sequels). So A) Hopefully he will really shine as a contributor on this, with the right partners, B) He's sort of on probation in my book after that 12-year-old RoboCop crime boss, C) Great as Miller's Batman is, it's just one take on the character, not the best necessarily. I prefer the long, lean, acrobatic Batman, more cerebral yet playing more to supernatural fears, to Miller's stocky, armored pugilist. But who knows, maybe Miller's ready to try something new with the character, maybe something we haven't seen him or anyone else do before. I'm actually in favor of that because I already read Year One, and I don't find motion pictures so superior to comics that I need to pay to see the same material again. .............................. .............................. .............................. ............. The essential truth of the Batman character, in my book, is that Bob Kane looked at the ever-popular Dracula and said, What if he were a good guy? He'd be american but still aristocratic. He'd be young not old, which is reinforced by his youthful sidekick. He'd epitomize personal striving as well as altruistic service of the community, the reverse of an undead existence and vampirism. He'd be technological not magical, but wouldn't lose any dark mystique. He'd be a ladies man who drops them after a night of fun, as opposed to wanting them to cling around for all eternity. He'd be the detective and hero, instead of the target of detectives and heros. But for all that, you see him and he's still a take on Dracula. That's the essence that Frank Miller's Batman has never captured.
GeneralZoddd... I Hate Dubya As Much as Any Sane Human Does... by NoCureForFools	Oct 1st, 2002 12:07:57 PM
but DK2 didn't say a good gosh darn about Dubya being a crooked Oil Baron who is destroying the country with his knee-jerk corporate-military facism. if it had, i would have liked it more. DK2 seemed to be more about the hollowness of celebrity and media brainwashing which, although true, is sort of a stale theme a this point (and X-Statix does it better and funnier). i think the most important themes to explore in regards to social commentary these days (espeically with comix and superheros) is how all democracies turn into dictatorships eventually, and how the U.S. is no exception. i would love to see the idea of Superman as enforcer and apologist for the United States of Amerikkka... how can he reconcile his "Midwestern charm" with the fact that he supports a regime that is slowly, but surely making the inevtable transformation from democracy to outright facist technocrat dictatorship. this time, a dictatorship with a happy face and supersized Big Mac Cancer lunches.... Have A Nice Day! Or Else! even the terrible AOTC had this theme -- democracy into dictatorship -- as one of it's core messages; how people actually cheer for dictatorship... before it comes and ruins their lives, of course. "those who would trade in freedom for more security deserve neither." -- Benjamin Franklin *****anyways, the Batman movies? oh man, come on. I just could never get past Mr. Mom as Batman. or Beetlejuice as Batman. they were terrible. okay, okay, i admit it, i did like Batman Returns. i mean, damn, Catwoman? how could i say know to that? plus Christopher Walken was great as always. and Penguin. i almost didn't mind that the guy from Gung Ho was Batman...
Good Cop, Bad Cop by PipersDown	Oct 1st, 2002 01:08:14 PM
Whether M and H are or aren't speaking together doesn't change the fact that their combined efforts and differing approaches to JJ, WB and the admittedly questionable Superman script will go much farther in CHANGING the damned script and movie than any united front would ever have. I think the bottom line is that Harry Understood that: 1) This movie would be made, despite protests, internet buzz, petitions or any arm-folded, pouty boycotts orgazized against.. the source material of the comics themselves??? (Aside: I thought the Source was what you guys were trying to preserve here.. why boycott the Truth?) 2) Warner could very likely sever any contact with Harry, Morry et al. in the wake of this little debacle. Fewer advanced warnings, inside scoops, and more importantly, NO input, no ability to effect change in the movie making process. Now, presenting a united front agaist the making of this Superman movie, vis-a-vis the retarded concepts presented in the first draft, made a lot of people mad, aparantly threw WB heads into panic mode and spin control, and may have nixed any chance of any Superman movie whatsoever. OR nixed any chance at making a REAL Superman movie. But we all WANT a Superman movie made, and we want it made right. Nobody but Warner is going to do this, so fucking the entire thing in the rear with the Internet Gossip rod isn't going to engender any cooperation on their part in getting you guys what you want. You've noted The Company's pigheadedness in insisting on proceeding the wrong way with several movie ventures, so why should they be less stubborn in dealing with You Two? The solution was obvious, although it seems to have come unwittingly and at the cost of a friendship whose initial solidity isn't really known to me, but I think in some way persists. Mori causes knee-jerk anger, outrage, protests, and the WB people to shit their pants of the possibility that Superman could go horribly, horribly wrong. He also makes the company have major beef with AICN, and risk retaliatory action. Harry reads the script, and the omnipresent fanboy in him oozes to the surface again, and he likes more of it than he thought he would based on Mori's review. He talks to the scared but rather adamant people involved -- possibly receives some sobering information about the reality of the project and the repercussions for fucking with a corporation that size -- and learns that indeed, they're willing to compromise some points, even if they will not admit to being influenced by the fans' reactions. You see.. Harry's less of a hard-nosed critic than Mor, so this should be expected. Look at the name of the site, for heaven's sake. To Harry, there's a little Cool in every thing he damn well reads, sees, or talks about. He's still very impressionable and a direct talking-to with any real-lifer involved with a project is both the whole reason he started in the business -- to get closer to the movies he loves -- and why his opinion is always more soft towards potential, the process and not the result, what might be, and the people involved and their INTENTIONS. Moriarty is Socratic in his judgements. He stabs down with his thumb from the Collesium stands and doesn't care about what might be as long as what is isn't up to snuff. He writes screenplays himself, and has the writer's egotism that whatever shit someone puts out, he can do better, so they should get their asses in line. Remember, though, that Socrates paid for calling pretty much every ranking official around him Stupid by drinking hemlock, and his influence was felt more after he was dead than while he lived. Harry's a fan who writes reviews that may get critical. Moriarty's a critic whose work is fuelled by a fan's enthusiasm. Together, they're an effective one-two punch to put a dose of fear into the studios, and then show them a better way. Mori condemns what is, Harry pleads for what should be. The final call on whether or not their influence on the Superman script was successful will be what we finally see on the screen. Will we see the original, un-AINC-fucked version that looked more like a pilot for SMALLVILLE, a Supes-for-the-people-who-liked -Spiderman-but-never-read-the- comics, an Armageddon starring the Bruce Willis from Unbreakable? Or will we see what Mori and Harry, you and I want to see, a kick-ass, Old-School Supernam made for 2000, coolest shit on earth? If it's the second, Harry and Moriarty had better be sitting next to each other at the screening, and shake hands over a job well done.
HE WOULDN'T, but Superman could beat Batman by Clark Clay	Oct 1st, 2002 01:57:47 PM
I do not understand why you folks limit Superman's prowess to his powers. Do you folks not realize how intelligent he is. Superman's entire body is powered by Earth's yellow sun, including his brain. Superman's intelligence is far greating than Batman's. Superman does fight crime with great intelligence and power, but his greatest weapon is his humanity and trusting nature. And this special quality is the main reason he would not (although he could) beat his friend Bruce.
Sumperbrains by Qwerty Uiop	Oct 1st, 2002 03:52:14 PM
With regards to Supes brain power, his intelligence level depends on the interpretation you hold to. He's never been played as dumb, but some stories have him as more clever than others. But the fact that Batman always beats him, shows that Batman is more intelligent by realizing not only his own limitations, but Superman's as well, including Superman's ethics.
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AkivaGoldsmanis-ahackhackhackety hack by joeypogi	Oct 1st, 2002 06:05:10 PM
I have to agree with Harry on this one. Akiva is a hack. And I can't believe he won the Oscar. The Oscars have been plummeting in popularity recently. And its probably again due to horrible world of market research. which probably also means its making more money now.
Batman by SLEAZY DINOSAUR	Oct 1st, 2002 10:37:55 PM
I haven't read comics in several years, except for the recent DK2, so I could be wrong, but the only Superman, Batman fights I'm aware of were in the Dark Knight comics, what about 15 yrs apart. In those comics, Batman did indeed beat Superman, but as I said before, he required the help of several other people. When we're talking about Superman vs Batman, I assume that we're talking one on one, in which case Superman would pummel him. I seem to have heard about a much weaker character a few years ago that broke Batmans back, and someone else took over for a little while. If you want to talk about Batman fighting Superman with his friends as backup, then it's only fair Superman bring along some friends. Namely Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter. If you think Batman, the Atom, and Green Arrow could beat those guys, I don't know what to say.
Batman, Schmatman. Doesn`t anybody care that "Cabin Boy" is on by Elgyn6655321	Oct 1st, 2002 11:16:07 PM

Does CABIN BOY have an audiocommentary or deleted scenes? by UTellEmSteveDave	Oct 2nd, 2002 02:06:13 AM
Well does it?
Cabin boy on DVD? WHOOO HOOOO! by Qwerty Uiop	Oct 2nd, 2002 02:20:53 AM
Batman would never take on superman one on one. Thats not how Batman does it. The backup, the plans, the tricks, the hidden cards, thats how Batman plays, look at how he defeated the Mutant Leader in Dark Knight. Change the playing field and give himself the advantage. As for the issues, forgive me comic geeks, but I don't remember the numbers, but one was that recent JLA arc where Ra's Al Ghul (sp) stole Batmans computer files and dismantled the league with them one by one, including Superman. Meaning Batman could have done the same thing at any time. Another one springs to mind that happened way back, where Batman and Superman fought, possibly '80 or '81, although admittedly that involved Kryptonite boxing gloves, but the point remains the same. The Superman/Batman toe to toe no tricks fight would never happen because it would be out of Batman's character not to be prepared for, just like it would be out of character for Superman to attack a human full force.
UTellEmSteveDave - no, I`m sorry to say there`s no commentary by Elgyn6655321	Oct 2nd, 2002 03:16:08 AM
But I`m just happy it`s finally on DVD. Finally we can watch "Cabin Boy" the way it was MEANT to be seen.
THESE PIPES... ARE CLEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Hoof Hearted	Oct 2nd, 2002 03:19:39 AM
Well, they are... In case you were wondering.
Alright, listen up, I'm only going to say this once by Terran	Oct 2nd, 2002 01:30:58 PM
The Superman script had more mistakes and glaring errors than Harry has lice in his beard. The Supes vs. Batman flick is a dumb idea. two reasons for this:1)Baman would not be getting married. You'd have to have a whole movie explaining to fans why he had a fiance in the first place. 2)The average movie goer would not be able to buy that Supes vs. Bats is an actual contest. They see Supes as the ultimate superhero, and Batman as a depressed guy in a cape and cowl. Wouldn't fly. Want to see classic bats, check out JLA where Bats ideas took out the entire team, or where he saved the entire team (yes, even Superman). Another thing, all you nitpickers, be up on your material. Supes can't breath in space, though he can hold his breath a really long time. He can't turn back time by flying backwards. Batman is not a wimp in a cape. He is the Dark Knight, the worlds greatest detective, and a challenge to anyone, even Superman (Read the Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller). All this "reimagining" is a crap way of saying "I can't write a decent story with the material I have, so I'll make up my own character, give him similar powers to Superman but with a different background and history, and I'll use some of the same names, and I'll just call it a Superman movie. That, my friends, is what you call bullshit. Want to see Superman in a new way, read Action Comics # 750 by Joe Kelly. That is Superman. What Harry and JJ are trying to pawn off is radioactive man in Superman tights.
Batman would kick Superman's ass any day of the week by madoo14	Oct 23rd, 2002 08:45:03 PM
Batman is the greatest superhero of all time period. Here you have a guy who, when he was an adolescent, decided to become a superhero and has dedicated every day of his life since to that purpose. Superman is just a small town loser in tights born with powers and of course decides to use them for good. Warner is sitting on a gold mine here, with a chance to make the greatest comic book movie ever. But of course it will end up being another gay ass "hollywood" movie that blows its chance to draw the real fans who greatly outnumber the moviegoer just looking for a new flick to see. First of all lets set one thing straight, this script sucks hot donky balls. Batman getting married, give me a break!!! Here is how I would do it. First of all its going to take a huge tragedy to get these two to fight, Warner had it right there, but I would do it a little differently. I would have it so that the Joker kills robin (or batgirl if you prefer) and Batman decides that he has to take him down once and for all. The joker flees to Metropolis and while hunting him Batman runs into Superman. The two start off working together but when they finally corner the joker Batman wants to kill him while Superman simply wants to aprehend him for the authorities to deal with (possible line: "I'm doing this kent, with or without you.") and thats where the conflict enters. A small and very short scuffel ensues resulting in Joker getting away and now Batman is pissed. He decides to forget the fly boy's insurrection and go after Joker again until Superman shows up at Wayne manor. After telling Batman that he can't allow him to act out his vengeful plot Superman leaves and Batman starts to prepare. Keep in mind Batman has almost limitless funds and time so he's gonna have some shit ready for Superman. Once again Batman travels to Metropolis but when he meets Superman this time he pulls out the arsenal (possible line: "Kent we don't have to do this, just walk away.") and the fight is on. Of course I would have
didnt finish by madoo14	Oct 23rd, 2002 08:55:10 PM
Sorry about that, accidentally hit post. As I was saying. I would have the movie end with Batman decapitating Superman with a kryptonite axe, but hey thats just me. A little more reasonable ending would be . . . during the fight Batman and Superman are talking to each other and they collectively realize that Lex Luthor is behind it all, maybe even right before Batman finishes the fly boy off. After which Batman puts away the kryptonite batarangs, bolas, gas bombs, gloves, shield, samurai sword, and any other toys he comes up with and they set off after Lex. Here you have two of the greatest heros ever (I have to give Superman some credit) in a great showdown but once again a chance to make a great movie is wasted.
Madoo is right Mo Fo's! by bbbn1234	Oct 23rd, 2002 09:11:05 PM
He's right. He couldn't be and more correct. There are an endless number of reasons why Batman would win, namely becasue he has no weakness. None! Superman is cool and I would rather be him but just because his life isn't miserable. But anyway, Batman would win end of story.
I forgot by bbbn1234	Oct 23rd, 2002 09:15:46 PM
Oh yea, and the script sucks too. It will not fail to be a horribly dissapointing movie. Just like Spiderman.
Batman and Superman really did battle by BoarderChick	Dec 31st, 2002 03:24:19 AM
For all of you peoples that didn't really read all the comics and watch all the classic batman and superman cartoons...they really did know eachother and once upon a time they got in a really big battle the idea for this movie is no new thing. And you know what else Batman kicked Supermans ASS!!!

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