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THE TWO TOWERS Trailer in Crappy RealVideo Here! NOW IN QUICKTIME TOO!!!

AHHHH!! by spideyman1218	Sep 30th, 2002 01:35:09 AM
Gollum looks great! WOO HOO
This is using the score from Requiem for a Dream. Good choice. by Paul987	Sep 30th, 2002 01:38:23 AM
nt
Requiem for a Dream by DinoBass	Sep 30th, 2002 01:40:52 AM
Just watched Requiem for a Dream a couple of nights ago on DVD, so the end of the Two Towers trailer creeps me out (cuzza the music).
HOLY PISS!!!! by monkey9119	Sep 30th, 2002 01:43:27 AM
Amazing, never thought the requiem song would work so well.
Well, that CERTAINLY made an impression... by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 01:46:35 AM
Who bets that RFAD tune is going to be used very often in trailers from now on? Works great. Id this the best LOTR trailer so far? Hmm... I have to watch it a few more times...
alright already by CrazyMonkeyPants	Sep 30th, 2002 01:47:18 AM
wow, do you think anyone noticed it was the music from Requiem for a dream? Why don't we mention it a few more times. BTW, trailers ALWAYS cannibalize music from other movies, it's a very common practice and it doesn't mean that Howard Shore is going to use it in the score. I hope he doesn't as his score rocks! Loved the trailer! Everything looks awesome. Can't wait to see the movie...78 days and counting.
um... by CrazyMonkeyPants	Sep 30th, 2002 01:51:29 AM
Wow,sorry didn't mean for that to sound so assholish and bitter. Just a little miffed that everyone's talking about the music and not the awesome trailer. (Love the part where the wall explodes out)
Suh-weet!!!! by jackrabbit	Sep 30th, 2002 01:52:31 AM
Oh hells yeah! Bitch!
SHIT YEAH!!!! by KyleKrane	Sep 30th, 2002 01:55:54 AM
shit yeah mother fuckers!! shit yeah!!!
After watching this three times... by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 01:56:41 AM
I have decided it's one of the best trailers I have ever seen. It's perfection. It has amaging imagery. The structure is extremely well thought out. The musical choices are perfect. The film looks AMAZING. Now just give this to me in high-res quicktime.
What color was Gollum? by CrazyMonkeyPants	Sep 30th, 2002 01:57:01 AM
couldn't really tell on the Real Player, sometimes he looked flesh colored, and sometimes gray? What color was he in the book?
wizard's fire by DinoBass	Sep 30th, 2002 01:59:37 AM
I love the explosion, too, just like outta the book. Glad we get to see wargs and oliphaunts. I'm so happy that the theatrical trailers for these films haven't had the horrible voice-overs starting with that tired "In a world..." crap.
Well! That fairly knocked me backwards... by Pogoholmes	Sep 30th, 2002 02:03:20 AM
I have what is possibly the worst internet connection that is available in this day and age, so I was only able to see about one frame for every 2 or 3 seconds that played in the trailer (I hate streaming video with a passion). Good GRIEF though! I'd say it's the mark of an outstanding trailer if it gives you chills even when you have to watch it in the worst possible quality. AAAAIIIIGGHH! Tomorrow night can't get here soon enough!
Bigger trailer - real media by IG-U7	Sep 30th, 2002 02:05:41 AM
Here is the Real Media file link to the official AOL trailer. It is a little bigger in comparison to the one posted above. I don't think that it will require any AOL files to be on your computer. Try this link: http://demand1.stream.aol.com/ ramgen/aol/us/aolentertainment /movies/2002/lotr/132757_63849 8_bb8.rm
thanks IG-U7 by CrazyMonkeyPants	Sep 30th, 2002 02:13:00 AM
the video on that link looks better.
The Score/Bets trailer? by nyo267n	Sep 30th, 2002 02:15:18 AM
Someone here asked if this was the best trailer? I think not, I think that the third trailer (I think it is the third) for FOTR is the better one. I am thinking especially of that "- What must I do" and then "Fate has chosen him" with the music from Braveheart is the best sequence. You know, when Elrond says that "the ring is to be cast back into the fire of...". Anyone who doesn't agree with me?
The Score/Best trailer? by nyo267n	Sep 30th, 2002 02:15:51 AM
Someone here asked if this was the best trailer? I think not, I think that the third trailer (I think it is the third) for FOTR is the better one. I am thinking especially of that "- What must I do" and then "Fate has chosen him" with the music from Braveheart is the best sequence. You know, when Elrond says that "the ring is to be cast back into the fire of...". Anyone who doesn't agree with me?
Just a question... by Captain_Slapnutz	Sep 30th, 2002 02:18:24 AM
What is that music they're using for the trailer? -Cap'n Slappy
ig-u7 by KyleKrane	Sep 30th, 2002 02:20:18 AM
IG-U7, you the bomb in phantoms, yo!
much better by s0phus	Sep 30th, 2002 02:24:06 AM
ah that is sooo much better... at least it runs nice and smooth for me... December 18th is a tooo long of a wait... but i'm content to just watching this trailer over and over again
They used some of the Phillip Glass score for Powaqaatsi in The by don_gately	Sep 30th, 2002 02:24:56 AM
And I've seen too many trailers with one of the themes from Aliens to count.
Gates of Mordor by Rash	Sep 30th, 2002 02:25:20 AM
Thanks for the better link IG-U7. That 1 sec shot of the gates to mordor is freaky for some reason
Wow wow wow! by Touch of Evil	Sep 30th, 2002 02:25:46 AM
Star what?
My reaction? by Captain_Slapnutz	Sep 30th, 2002 02:31:53 AM

My reaction? by Captain_Slapnutz	Sep 30th, 2002 02:32:16 AM
............. stunned speechless moved
GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!! by nazismasher	Sep 30th, 2002 02:41:36 AM
I... ahhhhh... hmmmm... I'll get back to ya'll once I've brough down my pulse from a 1000!!!
Its a good trailer but.... by EmilyQFan	Sep 30th, 2002 02:45:02 AM
The FOTR trailer kicked its ASS for action and pacing. This trailer seemed really slow for some reason. I just remember the FOTR trailer starting slowly and the big finish with Gandalf and the "You Shall Not Pass" line.
Well baste my balls and boil them in oil by JacksonsBane	Sep 30th, 2002 02:45:40 AM
That was glorious.
Dear God by Captain_Slapnutz	Sep 30th, 2002 02:47:11 AM
I can't stop watching this trailer!!!! -Cap'n Slappy
THANKS by Nobbi	Sep 30th, 2002 03:00:17 AM
thanks you so much KUBLA !!! finally quicktime... this trailer so fucking rules!
Thanks Kubla by Touch of Evil	Sep 30th, 2002 03:09:28 AM
Beautiful, DOWNLOADABLE quicktime!
Whats all the fuss about... by Miworld777	Sep 30th, 2002 03:10:37 AM
Has anyone seen Hawk the Slayer or Krull. Far better then all i have seen to date, even Beastmaster...
What was I thinking? by Captain_Slapnutz	Sep 30th, 2002 03:16:11 AM
I can't stop watching Krull!!!!! -Slappy
December 18th can't get here soon enough! by General_Patton	Sep 30th, 2002 03:36:01 AM
Wooo-hoooo!
I'm going to need a q-tip by Kraken	Sep 30th, 2002 03:39:50 AM
to remove the jism from my keyboard! Awesome!
Holy Crappolla!!!!!!!! by Gabba-UK	Sep 30th, 2002 03:40:45 AM
This trailer, correction, work of fucking ART, is better than some off the shit that came out this summer and I'm off the opinon that this summer was one of the best blockbuster seasons of recent years! PJ sould get the oscar for just this trailer!! And I'm with you Harry, midnight Monday can't come soon enougth. I WANT MY FULL SCREEN QUICKTIME VERSION NOW GODDAMMIT!!!
There's also some screencaps and descriptions @ the official by nazismasher	Sep 30th, 2002 03:44:29 AM
Still way too small but at least you can make out details like the Mumak having four HUGE tusks (someone obviously consulted a paleontologist!) a siege tower and at least two drawbridges on his back! The FOTR trailer was great too. :-) To think all the Uber-coolness has yet to sink in!
So, was there some buzz about a Superman script? by ToyMachine	Sep 30th, 2002 03:47:15 AM
Because this is the buzzkilla! LOTR is back in the spotlight...and all is right with the world. Let them make a canon ignoring movie about the Kryptonian...Sauron will bring the mace of doom and wreck the lot of them! Huzzah! The power of the Ring cannot be undone!
It's a good time to be a geek by darthhaole	Sep 30th, 2002 03:50:25 AM
My nipples really are hard. Cute little nipples.
nipples by Nobbi	Sep 30th, 2002 03:58:36 AM
enter the world of continual erect nipples!!! :) :) :)
Don't you mean FULL GLORIOUS QUICKTIME, you bloated corporat by Rain_Dog	Sep 30th, 2002 04:03:03 AM
Jesus Christ. Why doesn't Harry just retire on all his kickbacks and let someone who is capable of stringing a sentence together and maintaining some kind of ideological consistency take over the site? Oh, and the Two Towers will rock the fucking house and, indeed, kick some ass.
Music by Denki	Sep 30th, 2002 04:24:58 AM
I'm sorry, but the music here is a little dull. This is Lord of the rings! It just didn't match the punch of the stunning visuals.
I agree by SpikedBuffy	Sep 30th, 2002 04:28:37 AM
The music at the beginning is much more in tune with the trailer then the ending music, not just because it's from the actual score but because it's much more grand and epic sounding, and i think it's a little louder too.
Best... Trailer... Ever! by Cash Bailey	Sep 30th, 2002 04:31:28 AM
My brain has trouble comprehending how much this is going to whoop FELLOWSHIP's glorious, perfect ass.
I belive the phrase is... by vroom socko	Sep 30th, 2002 04:54:02 AM
Hot Doggedy FUCK! Must See NOW GODDAMNIT!
Merry Fucking Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by LabRat	Sep 30th, 2002 04:59:40 AM
Petey Jax = Santa Claus. Holy shit, that trailer puts foot-to-ass like no other.
i was going to use my subject heading to mention the Requiem For by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 05:07:35 AM
well, i love both Clint Mansell's and the Kronos Quartet's work on Requiem. the addition of that music to this trailer was wonderful. but is this the best trailer ever? not by a long shot. not in any fucking way imaginable. i enjoyed quite a bit of Fellowship, but have major problems with the film, many of which originate with the changes made to the book, it's tone, it's pace, it's whole entire story. i am convinced that Two Towers will be practically identical technically and for the many of us who have read the books, there won't be a single surprise. at least not any good ones. but after reading Harry's rant and before viewing the trailer, i reminded myself that Fellowship did and still does have one of the best trailers ever constructed. the last one, which starts off with the image of Gandalf riding into Hobbiton and ends with "YOU CANNOT PASS!" that is a brilliant trailer. one complaint about this new trailer is this: it's too soft. it's too calm. with the best blockbuster trailers, the last 30 seconds have you pretty much leaping out of your seat. but here, although things get a bit speedier near the end, i never felt it completely took off. it never managed to really get my adrenaline pumping. which is ironic, cuz the Fellowship trailer DID, and the thing is, the Fellowship book (or books, really) has the least amount of action and intrigue in the whole series. it IS my favourite of the three. it's the most consistently entertaining, the most mythologically sound, the most carefully constructed. but it's funny that it has the action-packed crazy adrenaline-fueled trailer while the Two Towers one doesn't, even though Two Towers is by far the most blatantly action-oriented book (or books) in the series. so there's that, and then my other big complaint is a complaint i have with lots of movies and trailers. the CGI. fuck. that quick glimpse of the Eye and of Gandalf battling the Balrog is EMBARRASSING. the big digital tracking shot showing Saruman's army of Uruk-Hai is just silly. really, REALLY bad stuff here. Gollum also looks like standard CG crap. the shot of the Oliphaunt is alright, but i think i was just in awe of his tusks, and the shot of Treebeard's legs was sorta cool, but then again, it's his legs. how cool can that really be? all in all, an alright trailer with some bad effects and not enough Oomph. for me, the wait till December 18th is no big deal at all.
I think the sequel should be called 'Lord Of The Rings 2: Tr by Half Price Pears	Sep 30th, 2002 05:40:41 AM
"You dipstick Legolas - this aint the real ring because there's a tiny inscription on the inside that says 'Made in Taiwan'! Honestly, you two have landed me right in it this time - how am I supposed to pay Skippy for that job lot of Paul Hogan videos? You really are a right pair of 24 carat palonkas"!
uh...dude, this trailer soooo rocks by Neitmol	Sep 30th, 2002 05:49:15 AM
Hello! of course this movie has no surprises for anyone who already knows the fuckin story! You troll! Don't bother even watching it then if you want a surprise. Just read the book again and again and again. It should be just as repetative and masturbatory as your opinion. Anyways, this trailer is different from the last one. Why? Because it's a different muther fucking movie that's why you tit! You're probably one of those rediculous children who sat through the fucking movie and then had the audacity to talk shit about it on your way out of the theater. It wasn't what you wanted it to be. It wasn't what you thought it should be. Guess what. No one gives a shit about what kind of movie you would have made. It's called clout. You have none. Either enjoy the flick, or shut the fuck up. If you hated it then fine, tee off! If you actually liked it, which I believe you do (otherwise why are you reviewing the second trailer?!! Porkrind!) don't go off like you're some sort of Tolkien purist. No one wants to hear it. The members of the Tolkien estate have honorably kept their thoughts close to themselves and I think if anyone has a right to critique senor Jackson's vision, it's them. That said: The trailer...It's wicked, it rocks...It's beautiful even on the poor quality stream. Gandalf falling with the balrog...Wargs attacking the line of refugees...Galadriel? looking like a statue and Frodo looking like a figure in painted in the Sistine Chapel...The tense music cresting over as the White Rider appears like dawn on a hill...It appears as that your opi9nion of the trailer is like your opinion of the first movie: Inconsequential in your want to appear maverick and worthy to critique. Let me guess...You thought Dungeons and Dragons was a triumph.
WOW!! by SamWave	Sep 30th, 2002 05:51:36 AM
um.. WOW!! Great trailer! This movie's looking better and better!!
Hoooooo eeeeee! by Eleanor Rigby	Sep 30th, 2002 05:58:37 AM
I am speechless. I am without speech!!
This trailer sucks Oliphant balls. by Eternal	Sep 30th, 2002 06:12:22 AM
heh, not really, I haven't seen it. I don't have Quickshite or Real garbage installed and that might be a good thing. It won't ruin the surprise for me when I see the movie unlike you weak minded fools! Fly fools, and watch the trailer again for the hundreth time!!!
Oh my! by Mithril	Sep 30th, 2002 06:12:40 AM
That Oliphaunt is unbelievable! Wargs! Treebeard! The Balrog! The exclamation point key in my computer is getting stuck from too much use!!!!! What I'm trying to say is: great, awesome, stupendous trailer. And for all the "we want more/it wasn't exiting enough" people, think about how many teasers and trailers there were for FOTR. It's just the end of September. An even bigger, more kick-ass trailer (possibly even two) is bound to come out before December 18th. So enjoy the trailer for what it is, a kick-ass experience, and wait with your heart palpitating and your mouth salivating for the next one.
RE: Doc Loggins by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 06:18:04 AM
A QUOTE FROM DOC LOGGINS "my other big complaint is a complaint i have with lots of movies and trailers. the CGI. fuck. that quick glimpse of the Eye and of Gandalf battling the Balrog is EMBARRASSING. the big digital tracking shot showing Saruman's army of Uruk-Hai is just silly. really, REALLY bad stuff here. Gollum also looks like standard CG crap. the shot of the Oliphaunt is alright, but i think i was just in awe of his tusks, and the shot of Treebeard's legs was sorta cool, but then again, it's his legs. how cool can that really be?" *** RE: You must be a psychic, since it's practically IMPOSSIBLE to determine how good the quality of SFX in the film is with this extremely low quality picture. How can you tell how realistic the effects are when the picture is 136 x 320 pixels and it's HEAVILY pixelated? You can't. It's impossible. You might only judge how well the lights are in sync with the live action background, and that's it. You can't even judge the movements properly, because the material has missing frames in it. And the battle between Gandalf and Balrog is "EMBARRASING"? You saw three clips, one was 7 frames long, two were 4 frames long. The shots were heavily pixelated, there was lot's of motion blur and fast movement. I must assume that you are the only person on earth who is available to analyze in detail the quality of SFX in those pictures. Amazing. I guess that you had decided to dislike this trailer already in advance. BTW, I think that the final FOTR trailer had exactly the same problems that you claim this trailer has, but that's really a matter of opinion.
Sorry, Harry, but I don't agree with any of those things... by CoolDan989	Sep 30th, 2002 06:27:11 AM
..All I was thinking when it was over was "OK trailer" and "A little too long". And I certainly did not get, as you so crudely put it, "timber in my member"...I'm saving that for other things ;). I also do not agree that the RealVideo format is crappy...it looked just as good as any Quicktime file with my cable modem connection. Could it be our resident techie Harry has a shitty dial-up modem? I bet you, Harry, if I recorded the file to my hard drive and converted it to MPEG, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I'm not dissing Quicktime, just give streaming video a chance, would ya?
chance by Nobbi	Sep 30th, 2002 06:36:19 AM
"give me a chance" i'm fucking streaming video... you're representative of United Online Streamers?
oh yeah... by Neitmol	Sep 30th, 2002 06:41:07 AM
Is it me or do the lorien cloaks seem transparent in the sun? The shot of the three hunters gave me a glimpse and Gimli's cloak seemed to let the light shine through...odd.
My face hurts from smiling too much... by AliceInWonderlnd	Sep 30th, 2002 07:29:23 AM
(Mr. Voice starts...) "In a world full of lame trailers... (various cuts from trailers for Swimfan, Van Wilder, Boat Trip, and What Lies Beneath) "One trailer shall rise above the others..." (Cue Requiem for a Dream music...)That was so what I needed on a Monday morning in my tedious job. I'm surprised they didn't use LOTR music in the trailer, considering that they already have some. Actually, I hated the FOTR teaser that came out around this time last year. I thought it looked really sappy and lame "You will find adventure..." Pah! Anyway, that was gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous... oh, the sheer swoonage going on there. Be still my beating heart!
Looking....perfect!!!! by Headshotx	Sep 30th, 2002 07:34:18 AM
This is the movie that matters...no superman, no matrix, no star-wars shite can touch LOTR. If the movie is half as good as this trailer...then it will be BETTER than FOTR!!! Can
still not as good as episode 1 by chirpychap	Sep 30th, 2002 08:03:12 AM
That was good, but not as good as the trailer for episode 1. I mean, when we saw that everyone believed that it was great so it was a masterful example of how directors can create illusions with trailers. Can't believe they're actually going to show the balroc. he should have his own spin off series: "At home with the Balrocs".
Something tells me this isn't the last trailer we'll see by Movietool	Sep 30th, 2002 08:15:41 AM
As good as this is, I get the feeling that a trailer with the impact of the "you shall not pass" trailer is still to come. Even if I'm wrong, however, this was still a fantastic trailer. TT is my favorite book of the series, and although I'm REALLY going to miss Aragorn unsheathing Narsil and demanding of the Rohirrim "Will you aid me or thwart me, choose quickly!" I think I'll somehow get over it.
but RealPlayer by Ioreth	Sep 30th, 2002 08:17:39 AM
works under FreeBSD/Linux! ... and downloadable RealPlayer is pretty nice too! :) (so a downloadable 30 MB RealPlayer video would be very nice :) ... )
BEAUTIFUL! by SlayerVixen	Sep 30th, 2002 08:43:17 AM
I can't stop watching this trailer its totally breathe taking not to take any of the shine from the fantastic FOTR trailer but my god the last minute of this trailer is like WOW...i am in total awe...roll on december...this is the best trailer i think i've seen ever...thanks mr jackson :)
muuuuuuuuch better by Darth Sticky	Sep 30th, 2002 09:12:25 AM
That was jism-tastic. I've never had multiple orgasms during a trailer before.
The reason why Real Media sucks ass... by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 09:15:32 AM
Is the fact that you can't save it to your computer. Streaming media sucks. Last year one of the LOTR trailers was released as downloadable Real Media format and it was great. Very crisp, highly detailed picture in a reasonable size. I like quicktime because at least I can always save it to my computer.
HALF PRICE PEARS by Captain Katanga	Sep 30th, 2002 09:21:06 AM
That was the funniest talkback I've read in a long time, I've emailed it to a few friends. A big pat on the back to you....
Dare I Say.... by CrazyCanuck2k	Sep 30th, 2002 09:22:09 AM
Fuck Star Wars, Fuck Harry Potter, Fuck the Naysayers, and Fuck the Nitpickers. Amazing, a Transcendant Trailer Forshadowing the Release of an Incredible Film. Those Are the Only Words Needed on this TalkBack
FUCK THIS SUPERMAN SH*T, THE TWO TOWERS IS COMING, MOTHAPHUCKAS! by IAmLegolas	Sep 30th, 2002 09:49:58 AM
OH HELL YEAH THAT TRAILER IS SWEET, DID YOU SEE THOSE FCKIN' WARGS? HOLY CHRIST!!! ... "There will be no dawn, for men" - Saruman ... More like there will be no dawn for us geeks, no need to see another movie in your lifetime! (Well at least until ROTK comes out, I bet that will even top this movie). YEAH BABY!!! I need to settle down.... breathes slower*
Gandalf is bigger than Jesus Christ! by JAGUART	Sep 30th, 2002 09:56:58 AM
Can you believe it! That trailer is simply amazing! TTT will kick LOTR's ass! These films are fantastic! I like the part about Frodo complaining how sand is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Oliphaunts have four tusks? by rev_skarekroe	Sep 30th, 2002 10:00:00 AM
Who would've thunk it? And for continually erect nipples, may I recommend gothicsluts.com? I may not? OK, I won't. sk
the score in the trailer... by Spyderjerusalem	Sep 30th, 2002 10:01:46 AM
The reason that the score is so different (and cool) in the second half of the trailer is because it isn't Howard Shore (or whoever). It's actually a slowed-down version of a Paul Oakenfold song called Zoo York. Oakenfold is,, if you don't know, a techno artist. It's a great song...go download it.
My 34th birthday is 18th December 2002 and guess what my best pr by workshed	Sep 30th, 2002 10:12:12 AM
I nearly fainted watching that. Peter Jackson - I take my hat off to you. In a hundred years time people will still mention your name in the same breath as Tolkien and Cecil B. DeMille. What a great day to be alive. Forget all that Superman/Batman business - this is the real deal. Cinema history happening now!
Call me unimpressed by TravCon12	Sep 30th, 2002 10:23:56 AM
I enjoyed FOTR, and believe TT will be a fine movie as well but I was very UNimpressed with the trailer. The CG Gollum looked laughable, now I grant you it is a small quicktime movie and it may be better in the movies or in a larger format, but it seemed consistently dissapointing as the TT trailer was with the FOTR DVD so my hopes are not high on Gollum significantly improving. Also the tracking shot of Sauramon giving the big pep talk was not very well done either. In addition their were several shots which recalled to me CG of the quality of the recent Time Machine movie. Hopefully the deficiencies in the CG though will more than likely be made up for by the other qualities of the movie. I just hope the majority avoids the irrational lack of objectivity to not allow critical thinking of their precious new franchise as is already apparently growing.
Fantastic Trailer! by JAGUART	Sep 30th, 2002 10:26:30 AM
There go my nipples again!
OH MY GOD!! by Russman	Sep 30th, 2002 10:32:33 AM
and I LOVE the music used in Requiem for A Dream in this... fits perfectly. Whoever put this together deserves a raise or some kind of reward. Amazing! My heart is still racing.
It surprised me how derivative and video-gamey the LOTR score is by MOMERATH	Sep 30th, 2002 10:39:03 AM
I mean, really. I was so unimpressed with the music from the first movie. It should have had weight. It should have had some magic or mystert to it. Instead, it sounded like something they ripped out of the Dungeons and Dragons movie. Please get Clint Mansell and Kronos Quartett to score The Two Towers!!
All Hail TTT by SlayerVixen	Sep 30th, 2002 10:53:42 AM
still watching the trailer still loving every minute of it, i cant understand all the people who are complaining about it just wait til u see it on large screen glorious quicktime tomorrow you'll drool as i have done mwahaha but u gotta admit its one of the best trailers ever!!!
To ChirpyChap by JAGUART	Sep 30th, 2002 11:01:45 AM
Remember: Real "Balrocs" are intelligent and talk. And anyone who thinks that Howard Shore's score is "derivative and gamey" hasn't listened to it enough or clearly has their head up their ass.
I think I just filled the cup by Monster Rain	Sep 30th, 2002 11:10:55 AM
Lawdy, lawd, lawd. Now THAT'S a trailer! Wargs, Oliphaunts, Orcs, Oh my! Gandalf tearing about on Shadowfax, Helm's Deep madness, Eye of Sauron atop Orthanc. Wow. Really great stuff. I also loved how Legolas knelt at the return of his beloved Mithrandir! And, for me, Saruman's speech to the Uruk-Hai and the tracking shot which followed was AMAZING. I think the CGI looks great! Any flaws you might perceive will be wiped away come December when you see it on the big screen. Call me a fanboy geek, Call me easily placated, just call me happy as hell! This is one Corporal who knows to salute when the General marches past!
Trailer looked pretty cool.... by Retrace	Sep 30th, 2002 11:11:42 AM
are those cave trolls being hoisted up on the ladders against the keep walls. That should be sweet. In the previous trailer for TTT did any one else notice that when Aragorn gave the command to fire atop Helms Deep that his sword moved impossibly fast - like a blur - this could be Narsil.
Remember a year ago... by MrCere	Sep 30th, 2002 11:18:48 AM
When we were freaking out a year ago? I do...So many doubters, so many nay-sayers, so many nit-pickers, so many purists and so many uneducated. So, here we are a year later and we know pretty well what we have in store for us. For me, instead of questions, there are mostly answers with a few surprises in store. Is it perfect? Maybe not, but it is as perfect as film gets when adapted from a book that sold 100 million copies. So $800 million later, the world is a bit more educated and ready for this flick. I, myself, can wait a lot more patiently but this is a fine trailer. Does it strike anybody as cool as hell that we caughty a taste of Gandalf fighting a Balrog?
Scoring by AshFett	Sep 30th, 2002 11:38:48 AM
Fatboy Roberts: You asked if it has happened before where a piece of music from one film has been used in a big (non-comedic, a la the many times Star Wars or Jaws have been used) way. I can think of one example for sure: Scream 2, which used the main theme from Broken Arrow as Dewey's theme. There was an article about this in the LA Times after the movie opened and how when they were editing the movie, they had used the Arrow music as temp track stuff, but ended up loving it and keeping it in. The article listed a couple other examples of movies which had at least in a small bit, used other movies scores, and I believe one example was Die Hard had a tiny bit of the Alien score in it. Though I would be absolutely shocked if the Requiem score was actually used in the FILM of the Two Towers. It will be funny if Requiem does indeed become one of the new popular trailer tracks though, like Aliens. There is another piece gaining momentum this year I noticed... the one that was in the Unfaithful trailer and is now used in Antwoine Fisher. Anyone know the source?
what a bunch of crap. Best trailer ever? Yeah, right... by TV CASUALTY	Sep 30th, 2002 11:40:28 AM
.... watches trailer, wipes off drool, straightens pants, dabs and eyes with kleenex and hangs head in shame. I was wrong. And I'm sorry for doubting. December, eh? Shit.
I'll be back after a smoke and a shower by Pallando Blue	Sep 30th, 2002 11:49:01 AM
And a few more dozen viewings. Humina humina humina humina humina...!
and could someone please tell me what the fuck is a Balroc? by TV CASUALTY	Sep 30th, 2002 11:53:55 AM
And TravCon12 - you get a penalty for such obvious, if well-worded, flame bait. Go sit in a corner. And rev skarekroe still makes me laugh.
The "crappy CGI" in this this trailer reminds me how... by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 12:01:21 PM
One year ago a large percentage of the talkback claimed how the two giant statues in the final FOTR trailer looked very fake and were obviously CGI. Later on we learned that 10-12 feet high, incredibly detailed miniatures were used for that shot. The statues were about 200 pixels high in the trailer picture (in fullscreen quicktime format). How the hell could ANYONE see the difference between a highly detailed 100 feet miniature and a real thing in a picture which is only 200 pixels high? It is not possible. The picture is not detailed enought to see the difference. The sad fact is that some people are not able to accept an effect even if it's 100% realistic. These same people did accept the much smaller and less detailed miniature of Statue Of Liberty in the beginning of ID4, because they didn't KNOW that a miniature was being used, they assumed it was real. But with the giant statues of FOTR they knew those statues can't be "real", so they started bitching. Try to learn some suspension of disbelief before you go see another fantasy film. This is not to say that effects and CGI were perfect in FOTR. They were not, and my biggest personal problem was the hand-animated, jerky, too fast movements of Cave Troll. But they were as good as anyone possibly had any right to expect in such a massive undertaking on a less than 100 million budget. And quite often the "obvious" CGI of the movie was in fact large scale miniatures. Just about all locations of FOTR were miniatures (When they were not real live-action locales), and TTT continues this tradition.
Neitmol -- tell it like it is!! by Yojimbo Jones	Sep 30th, 2002 12:02:59 PM
I too am damned sick of pedantic holier-than-thou wankers who can't appreciate art when it slaps them upside the head. Assholes who complain about the 2 or 3 things they didn't like, and wholly ignore the million things PJ did right are just eager-to-be-offended pricks who'll never be satisfied, and really, who gives a fuck what they think anyway...? This film looks like it's going to be awesome! And although I may be in the minority, I thought Howard Shore's soundtrack in FOTR was magical.
requiem music name by SauloB	Sep 30th, 2002 12:04:29 PM
what's the music name ? what's track from the soundtrack ? i want to check it thanks.
requiem music name by SauloB	Sep 30th, 2002 12:04:33 PM
what's the music name ? what's track from the soundtrack ? i want to check it thanks.
Morons and their "the CG doesn't look real" banter... by empyreal0	Sep 30th, 2002 12:15:11 PM
I'm getting really sick of the twits who sit around and balk at this animation. "I can tell it's fake! I can tell it's fake!" CG will never look completely real, not with character animation. Get over it. That Gollum model, from what I saw in the trailer, is put together with an astounding amount of detail - muscles, bones, all sorts of substructure give the little guy life. There was not a single bit of animtion here that looked as bad as half the crap in Episode II (the guy flashing half of his ass-crack at the diner, anyone?) So Gollum doesn't completely fool you? So what! What animation in the world can completely fool the well-seasoned eye of a rabid moviegoer? Gollum is looking to be one of the very best flesh-and-bone [read: the hardest fucking thing to animate in the world] creatures ever to be realized in cinema history, so don't give me "laughable". PJ has done well to realize that CGI does best when it is stylized a little - more painterly than photo-real - and when the environment is brought down to the painterly level to match. Remember, that's what you're watching, folks - moving art.
Those CGI Mountains look soooooo fake! by JAGUART	Sep 30th, 2002 12:46:21 PM
Howard Shore's score sounds like MIDI on a Commodore 64! The Cave Troll is South Park animation with a club! The Fellowship of the Ring is one long, boring, jerky blurr. New Zealand is a hoax! The whole country is CGI! How embarrassing!
Nice trailer, but........ by Miss Aura	Sep 30th, 2002 01:04:19 PM
Why rip off one of the greatest musical scores in history (i.e. Requiem for a dream) and put it on some fantasy film? Requiem for a Dream is a legend of a film and the music is too. Why do this to such a good film? Everytime I now watch my DVD of Requiem, I will be reminded not of a film which takes you into an emotional world of wonder and despair but a film with a walking tree. Jackson rip off some other piece of music, bring in that stupid Enya again but DO NOT rip off a great piece of music which everytime I listen to it, adds to the greatness which was Requiem. First, Ellyn Burstyn gets snubbed at the oscars and now old Jacko is taking away the f***g music from a film which deserved to go down in history as the greatest anti-drug film ever made. This isnt against The Two Towers it does look good, its about making sure that Requiem for A Dream gets the recognition it deserves, instead of some brat watching it in 5 years time saying "Oh look they used the music from The Two Towers in this film". The soundtrack is classic and are you going to rip that off too, Jacko? What next O'Brother where art thou's bluegrass soundtrack for ROTK? F***G rip off, thats all. ORIGINALITY is where its at and you should feel ashamed of yourself. Long live Requiem and I hope nothing else is STOLEN from it.
Miss Aura by DinoBass	Sep 30th, 2002 01:10:57 PM
Not Ludwig van! Please, not Ludwig van!
My problem with CGI in TTT... by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 01:11:21 PM
Is Gollum. He looks really good in these shots, but he IS in some ways the most difficult and ambitious individual effect ever made. If we don't believe in Gollum, it will take a lot away from the movie. I'm glad that they have mainly taken his movements from Serkins in a censor suit, but it has been said that there will also be quite a lot of hand-animated moves. I think that they have a tendency to look jerky and unnatural, as was the case with cave troll. I think that only motion capture movements, which have been slowed down according to the size of the creature, are the only way to give the right illusion of mass. Cave Troll was wonderfully detailed, but it moved faster than the hobbits, and it dropped down faster than them, which seemed unnatural for a creature of such size.
That's fabulous by BenDaRas	Sep 30th, 2002 01:12:33 PM
Thats simply too cool for words, that they used the Requiem Overture.
Miss Aura... by virkku	Sep 30th, 2002 01:17:00 PM
Since 99% of all trailers lift music from other films, I'm guessing that RFAD did the same thing. So maybe you could give the same rant about how RAFD stole music from others, etc... I don't have the RFAD trailer right now, but maybe someone can say which music it used, and whether that music was originally composed for RFAD... Somehow I doubt it.
Miss Aura soils herself needlessly by Psychopompous	Sep 30th, 2002 01:29:13 PM
They're not going to use the Requiem music in the movie. its just a trailer. No one will remember it in a year. Whose music did they use in the first FotR trailer? Hmm? Calm yourself.
To: Dr DinoBass Re: Miss Aura Subject: Are you referring to by JAGUART	Sep 30th, 2002 01:42:25 PM
Can't be helped. Here's the punishment element perhaps. The Governor ought to be pleased. I'm sorry Miss Aura. This is for your own good. You'll have to bear with us for a while.
I would like everybody who thinks CGI is bad... by Lobanhaki	Sep 30th, 2002 01:50:41 PM
To try optical effects work themselves, and to really look at the effects of the past. Rarely do the composites look like they belong with one another. The only problems digital suffers from are economic and artistic. Otherwise, CG can be made more naturalistic, in both motion and rendering than stop-motion or go-motion. Look at the Raptors in Jurassic Park 3, standing next to human actors and looking real, and tell me that rod puppets and stop motion models would do them better.
Haha....someone mentions Paul Oakenfield....LoL by Vizzini	Sep 30th, 2002 01:52:25 PM

Haha....someone mentions Paul Oakenfield....LoL by Vizzini	Sep 30th, 2002 01:55:00 PM
Wake Up Alice....paul oakenfield is a talentless DJ hack, like the rest of his kind, just rips off other stuff, adds a stupid techno beat, and sells it to morons like you. He gets far far too much respect, and has never himself written anything credible As you can plainly see, this is Requiem Score music....
got to work this morning and almost did the happy texan dance in by William_Woolf	Sep 30th, 2002 02:06:54 PM
yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaw yiiiiiipie kaaaaaiiiiiiiii yaaaaiiiiii yeeeeeaaaaaaa someone please freeze me in carbonite so i don't have to wait another 3 months
Artificial Womb... and geek love for The Two Towers by JAGUART	Sep 30th, 2002 02:32:18 PM
As I write this, I'm lying here completely naked. I've set my waterbed temperature to 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit, and filled it with a combination of amniotic fluid and cattle blood. I've plugged all my orifices with hunks of foam rubber and now suck oxygen through a SCUBA regulator. The room humidifier is on eleven and I'm covered with a thick layer of uncooked hotdogs. There will I incubate for the next 79 days. On the morning of December 18th I shall emerge anew, have my girlfriend at the ready slap my ass, have a good cry, then shower up and head to the theatre, Reborn Once Again.
Gollum=Jar Jar Binks by Darth Phallus	Sep 30th, 2002 02:33:47 PM
Why is it that every time I see the little bits they allow of Gollum I start getting nervous. A full -cgi major character interacting w/real actors, while prob. better than Jar Jar has the possibility to bring the whole next two movies to an embarrassing let-down every time he is seen. Let's hope the sightlines are correct and they dotted all there "i's" and crossed all their "t's". What's worse is that even if they did, the technology may still not be there yet and we'll see that "uncanny effect" that just takes you right out of the dramatic action and makes you say "hmm CGI" (spider-man anyone?) I have my fingers crossed and if anyone can pull it off right now it's definitely PJ and co. (the Cave Troll was great until Legolas jumped on it's back), certainly moreso than kiddie-movie-toy-bandit Darth Lucas, that Fucking bullshit Darth Vader at an unbelievable 8yo making 'kindness in the universe" speeches, building super-cars (pods) and icky inappropriate romantic connection moments w/much older Natalie Portman- mothafucka hack Lucas!
Re: Psychopompous, Miami Mofo by Miss Aura	Sep 30th, 2002 02:34:25 PM
Psychopompous, I hope you are right that the music is only in the trailer. *** Miami Mofo, I am not anti LOTR or pro SW for that matter. In my opinion the SW prequels and FOTR dont even compare to the great Requiem for A Dream (Remember MY OPINION). The music is done by Clint Mansell, who I think was from a British Dance/Pop group "POP WILL EAT ITSELF". The music is brilliant. Two Towers looks fantastic just please, please dont use the music from Requiem.
Oh, and about music showing up in trailers... by Lobanhaki	Sep 30th, 2002 03:17:54 PM
First, those people should understand that music is often scored for the movie late in post-production, and trailer often come out months before that music is even recorded. So, it makes sense to take music from other movies, and advertise with it. The predominant theme in the early trailers of FOTR is a piece of music called "Gothic Power", written by a guy named Chris Field. Those of you familiar with movie music might recognize Braveheart music in later trailers. As for whether or not the music is stolen- Well, I think that's a naive question. Nobody can really believe that somebody would rip off music, then broadcast their crime to the world. No, there are very likely checks going to whoever owns this music, willingly paid, and willingly received.
Still annoyed with the changes by GypsyTRobot	Sep 30th, 2002 03:39:08 PM
that PJ is making to the story, or simply the way scenes are played out. I hope there are no overwrought dying scenes in TTT. Feh. I'm not an uttermost Tolkien geek, the kind that buys every book by Christopher T, but sometimes you can go too far. Note to PJ: If the Ringwraiths are going to sound like a poor man's Dr. Claw (Inspector Gadget), you might as well hire the original actor who could actually read a line. ("Give up the halfling she elf"
SWEET MOTHER OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND PURE!!! by cableface	Sep 30th, 2002 03:39:28 PM
This trailer ROCKS!!!! How can anyone say that it doesn't build up to anything, or it's not dramatic enough???? Even though I was hoping for a little more Gothic Power, the Requiem music was absolutely perfect for this. And Lo-Res Quicktime makes it hard to see the quick flashes of stuff like Gandalf/Balrog fight, but Christ almighty, even the teeny glimpses I got were sweeter than sweet. The ground has begun to shake big time. The Two Towers is coming, and everything else had better get the fuck out of the way.......
fucking brilliant by THE PROFESSOR	Sep 30th, 2002 04:16:50 PM
all i got to say
Tears in my eyes... by Azlam Orlandu	Sep 30th, 2002 04:56:29 PM
God damn that is a great trailer! At least there is one thing we all agree upon in this vicious house of leeches.
Now that I have recovered myself a bit... by AliceInWonderlnd	Sep 30th, 2002 05:09:09 PM
Ooh, so many new cool things! Shouty!Eomer! FuckingEnormous!Treebeard and diddy little hobbits! Aragorn being all moody and slouchy! Be-spelled!Frodo and solicitous Sam. The fun just doesn't stop... oh my. (Feels nipples) Yeah, 12 hours later and they're still quite erect. Oh, Miss Aura, if you really are that offended by the use of RfaD music in a fantasy movie trailer, there is something you can do. You can write to the rights department of the studio that put RfaD out and tell them that they are diluting the impact of their artwork by associating it with this sort of thing. You could probably find an email addy on Google somehow. Let me know how you get on with that, cos I'd be real interested in what they have to say. And whoever it was that seemed to think that I said the music was Oakenfold, well, I didn't. Unless "Wake Up Alice" is some catchphrase of which I was previously unaware. I am simple talkbacker. Your pop references frighten me...
CGI Gollum by AliceInWonderlnd	Sep 30th, 2002 05:34:33 PM
I personally would have worried less over a skinny guy in a rubber suit myself. But anyway. Some of the shots of him were hmmm... (that said, this isn't the ideal viewing format) but there was one where Frodo has hold of him that looked incredible (that said, this isn't the ideal viewing format). But on the other hand, it's Gollum! He's a star! I personally thought the CGI for Jar-Jar was first-rate, it was his lines that sucked, and the fact that the whole movie would stop every so often so he could do lengthily rendered non-funny comedy routines. If he'd been just a straight dramatic character, I think he would have worked really well(though Liam and Ewan appear to be staring over his left shoulder or into the middle distance when talking to him a couple of times). But enough of that. Personally I think Gollum could draw people in despite a so-so rendering, because he's quite a compelling little guy (hopefully, however, it won't come to that... must see in theatre before I reach final decision there...)
Gollum by Deegan	Sep 30th, 2002 06:01:43 PM
Although I'm quite happy with the little I've seen of Gollum thus far, I can fully appreciate people's concerns. What I want to know is if Peter Jackson has expressed a reason for opting for a CG Gollum over make-up/prosthetics?? It just seems that PJ and team have created more work for themselves and left themselves more open to critisism (as this TB proves). Anyway, a fantastic trailer and I cant wait till December!!!
***** by Foolishyit	Sep 30th, 2002 06:04:41 PM
****
bigpackagemax by Miss Aura	Sep 30th, 2002 06:06:30 PM
You dont get how much I love that music. I am not getting desperate, just saying that it is wrong for them to use in LOTR. If they used that music in Episode 3, I would hate it just as much. I wont argue with anyone who doesnt like the piece of music because its a matter of taste. **Miami Mofo, thanks for the comfort. I dont care about using it in a trailer, but just not in the final film. Requiem is one of the best soundtracks in recent years for me.
Anyone Notice? by Dannychico	Sep 30th, 2002 06:06:50 PM
Ok, first of all, that trailer rules. Second of all, anyone notice that Harry no longer has the link to Moriarty's Superman script review up? No wonder Moriarty is pissed at Harry. The Big One sold out and WB asked him to take down all negative superman stuff on this site because it was creating bad press.
Gollum looks pretty cool though by GypsyTRobot	Sep 30th, 2002 06:12:03 PM
I'll give PJ and the crew that much credit. Now why is the *@!? trailer barely bigger than a postage stamp? To force me to go see Red Dragon this weekend? - negative wanker who wears no berets and drinks no coffee.
Q: What does this trailer and the one for LotR have in common? by Fred Asparagus	Sep 30th, 2002 06:27:43 PM
A: The music in it is more or less guaranteed to be embarrassingly superior to the final product churned out by Howard Shore. I mean, what was Peter Jackson thinking? I realize Howard Shore wasn't his #1 choice, but you DON'T hire a composer for whom some 50% of his previous efforts are pure DREK! Last year, I predicted that LotR would bring out the best possible effort from Shore, which would amount to basically background noise, not really getting in the way, but at the same time, not really saying "buy the soundtrack NOW!" Thanks in part to Shore's unexpected acknowledgement of the concept of gasp lietmotifs, that is basically how things turned out. It's a damned shame that such a wonderful trilogy has to be tarnished by such an untalented composer.
Oh.My.Gawd. by Eriathial	Sep 30th, 2002 06:42:41 PM
Oh. My. God. I CAN'T WAIT FOR DECEMBER 18!!!!!!! I'm a diehard LOTR fan..oh god I can't wait this long!! It's torture!! I NEED THE TWO TOWERS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! is dying Really..that is the BEST trailer..LOTR is my LIFE I NEED IT NOW!!
LAS DOS TORRES by PATRIARC ZITHO	Sep 30th, 2002 06:49:20 PM
Saludos amigos de AICN, especialmente Harry. As
YOU SOLD OUT A FRIEND, HARRY... DEAL WITH IT! by Kenshiro_Kane	Sep 30th, 2002 06:52:13 PM
There's nothing worse than a rat, Harry. And you, my obese, corporate ass-kissing pal, are a rat. You screwed Mori and deserve all of the scorn and disdain you're getting for it. It's one thing to sell out your credibility for approval from a group of studio heads who will always view you as a corpulant means-to-an-end who can be bought with a few favors- but it's another thing to sell out a pal in the process. "SUPERMAN" will suck and, now, so do you, Harry.
re: Gollum by Rohan Girl	Sep 30th, 2002 06:59:21 PM
I was under the impression that while Andy Serkis did in fact do a lot of Gollum's work in a studio with a sensor suit for motion captures, that he was also on the set in a body suit and actually interacted with the actors for a few scenes, which were then animated over. That way, the actors are actually looking at Andy and not far away at anything, for a more authentic feel to the film (i.e., not Star Wars, where Ewan is staring at a tennis ball meant to be Yoda). Is this the case? Does anyone know?
Awesome trailer....just an awesome trailer.......BUT... by Dj Tiesto	Sep 30th, 2002 07:09:13 PM
Holy fuck, I almost shit my pants when I saw that trailer just build and build, with little teases just thrown in there. Honestly, I was nowhere NEAR as hyped about TTT as I was for FOTR. Don't get me wrong...FOTR is one of the greatest movies ever made and an excellent adaptation of the book (with obvious changes). But I had an anticlimax after seeing Fellowship 3 or 4 times.....kinda the feeling of "that's it...it's over". I hyped up Phantom Menace for myself waaaaay too much and it sucked for me. I did just the same for FOTR and there's always a letdown after you do that to yourself. Come to think of it, I did the same for Episode 2, which didn't suck (but I still thought it would be at least as good as Jedi, which it was not). So I've been avoiding TTT stuff, just trying not to think about it. I have a ton of school work lately (Masters degree in British History). But wow, that trailer knocked me off my feet right on my ass! That is certainly a great preview for TTT! Still though, I have a few reservations....some scenes made my eyebrows raise so to speak. For me, almost all the changes in Fellowship worked. I actually liked Arwen at the ford, I did not miss Bombadil or the Barrow-wights, Lurtz killin Boromir was good, etc, etc. But....what the hell is Elrond doing at Helm's Deep? What is Arwen doing at Helm's Deep? I've heard much about Arwen fighting at HD and it better not happen. (though the elves coming to HD sounds cool). Oh, and Meduseld was NOT ABANDONED, but I suppose that's a minor change. Eowyn better not fight or even be at Helm's Deep. I'm not sure if I live the beefed up relationship between Eowyn and Aragorn. At most, it should only be hinted with closeups of her and him looking at each other...her yearn for him must be obviously portrayed. But I guess this doesn't matter anyway because Arwen shows up at HD and stops Eowyn's fancy. Lastly, I know the trailer is in low resolution, but some of the effects look like total shit. The wargs and Treebeard almost look cartoonish. Gollum looked cool, but no better than Jar Jar. Perhaps it will look better on a larger size trailer file, but if not, I hope they do some refinements in the months to come on those effects. Helm's Deep is going to rock hard I think. Was that an oliphaunt I saw near the end? Cool...but still cartoonish. I'm sure the effects will look excellent in the final film as they did in FOTR. Think it will beat Episode 2 for Best SFX? Tiesto out. Just for those who post regulary...I used to Obi-Wan Kenobi for years until a few months ago. I was banned for bitching about the over-emphasis on September 11. That's funny though.....i thought the US was a free country. (I'm Canadian)
Real video is better by Onearmedmidget	Sep 30th, 2002 07:13:28 PM
Yep the realvideo is much better than the quicktime version. Much smoother I don't know where people get off saying the quicktime version is superior
Rohan Girl by fladnaG	Sep 30th, 2002 07:15:25 PM
I believe that's true. If you have the DVD they explain that in the 10 minute preview of TTT. I hope that helps.
hmm ok but not as good as the teaser. by BEARison Ford	Sep 30th, 2002 07:18:25 PM
the teaser had great dramatic and epic pacing. this one is just a little bleh. still looks amazing though, can't wait to see it.
Neitmol: why are you such an annoying piece of shit? by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 07:21:14 PM
you may not have addressed your post to me by name, but something tells me those comments were made at my expense. first off, I AM A FILM CRITIC. okay? i'm not trying to be a maverick reviewer here, i'm trying to hone my skills, build my understanding of cinema that i can further illustrate my feelings for each and every film i see. i have worked very hard to be the movie reviewer i am today, and i hate having to deal with little whiners like yourself. you obviously adored the film, read my negative comments, got all riled up because my comments are right and they forced you to at some point re-think your own comments and then decided to attack me out of pure anger. i am not one of these people who hated Fellowship. i just have a lot of problems with it. with Two Towers, you have the exact same crew working on a film with a story we already know. there have not been any major advances in CG technology over the past year, and therefore this movie will have the same flawed effects work as its predecessor. i am entitled to my own opinion, as is everyone, but the difference is, my opinion is quite often right. how dare you tell me to keep my thoughts to myself. since when are the only thoughts worthy of mention those of praise? if i hate movie, or love it, or sorta like it, i will make my voice heard. now stop being such a pathetic asshole and get a life.
Harry, the digital compression expert by Gabrielx	Sep 30th, 2002 07:24:45 PM
Anyone else here tired of Harry's untimely bashing of all other formats than Quicktime (which he praises like he's trying to get in Steve Jobs's pants). Of course a 4MB file (e.g. RealVideo) will be poorer quality that a 35MB file (e.g. Quicktime). What Harry tends to forget in his know-it-all-arrogance is that not everybody on the net has a fast connection - in many cases the only sane thing to do is to go for the 'ohmygoditsuckssobadicanno tbelieveit - yourlifewillberuinedbyseeingth etrailerinthisformat' Real-version than waiting 3-4 hours to download a higher resolution version. Sorry Harry, your stupid child-like attitude towards other formats than Quicktime is so ridiculous that I have serious problems in respecting the seriousity of the other work you do around here.
Upon further review.... by Dj Tiesto	Sep 30th, 2002 07:32:37 PM
I retract my comments about the special effects looking bad. I downloaded the quicktime one and watched it slowly a couple of times. Then I watched that bigger RealOne player file and made it bigger. The wargs, Balrog, and the Oliphaunt look spectacular. It's just that it is such shitty resolution that the textures don't look very rendered...you know? Anyway, Gollum still looks "iffy" but a little better than Jar Jar. I was hoping for 5x better than Jar Jar, but I can settle for 2x. Still though, until I see that trailer on TELEVISION sometime soon (or in a much bigger resolution), I won't be able to make a final judgement on Gollum. Treebeard was probably the worst looking effects shot though. I hope that one looks much better come December. I do respect Weta, but if they collaborated with ILM...the effects would be just that much better wouldn't they? Only a little less than 3 months my friends.
Yeah by Dannychico	Sep 30th, 2002 07:36:19 PM
Gabrielx, i have a hard time respected the seriousity of things around here, too.
virku... from doc_loggins. by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 07:37:37 PM
you support your point very well, and i respect that. you're right. it is hard to tell based on such a small resolution. and also, i believe it was you who made the comment that the CGI in the Fellowship trailer had the same problems as the work in this Two Towers trailer. for me, that shot at the end in the Moria Mines when the staircases are cracking apart, in the trailer, just looked RIGHT. in fact, oddly enough, all that CG work looked great in the trailers and tv spots. then i saw the movie... twice. and it didn't work. Lesnie's lighting effects and photographic flavour didn't match up with the digital creations of WETA. the Cave Troll bothered me, as did the Watcher, and other shots of Barad-Dur and all that just rubbed me the wrong way. big time. you must understand i am just plain anti-CGI in most cases. it works from time to time, as with all the ILM dinos in the Jurassic trilogy. that was a particularly big deal for me given my childhood obsession with dinosaurs. and there was of course T2, Titanic, The Matrix, and a few others where the CG work is outstanding. but in most cases, i'm not going to be a happy camper. i DO miss stop-motion and matte paintings and animatronics. not that they are completely eradicated from the film effects industry now, but they are certainly on the downside. was it you that made the point about the statues that were actually miniatures? if so, that was a good one. i didn't know that, and find all this stuff extremely interesting. i know i had a small glimpse of the effects to come in this movie, and made strong, concrete points regarding those effects, but i can practically assure you that i will not be happy with the CG work in Two Towers come december 18th. i just wanted to get my voice out there again to defend myself. but i respect that you have put great thought into what you are saying in order to illustrate not only your point, but your passion.
less than 6 hours before we got it all in quicktime goodness! by William_Woolf	Sep 30th, 2002 07:43:24 PM
I think most of us whose opinions are worth a damn can agree even if you didn't like the RfaD music that it is a very good trailer at least. I totally agree with the rest about it being increadible though. This combined with Ralphie and Janice's sex scene are the most shocking things I've seen this month. See you December 18!
the movie can't open soon enough.... by jasher78	Sep 30th, 2002 07:47:10 PM
Wow. Brilliant... Wow. ...wow.
doc_loggins by General_Patton	Sep 30th, 2002 07:49:25 PM
IIRC, Treebeard will be partially animatronic and part CGI.
Trailer Music by jasher78	Sep 30th, 2002 07:54:07 PM
IT'S TRAILER MUSIC FOR CRIMINEY'S SAKE!!! 75% of the time trailers use the music from other movies. I loved how the music worked for this one, it got my heart racing and I was scooting to the edge of my seat and it was brilliant! I know Shore will do something just as brilliant. And of course he will compose a complete original (with common themes from FOTR). As a composer you try to create a new tale with each film, each scene, each chord and each note. They are all maticulusly chosen to enhance the specific story being told. So it will be all original, not to worry. Trailers always use the "award winning" scores of yesterday. Themes that are used OVER and OVER again in trailers are: Titanic, Braveheart, Glory, Gershwin of any sort, Casablanca, Sinatra, etc... The list goes on forever. Anyways... I loved it. I love it. MORE!
Yojimbo Jones... by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 07:54:15 PM
shit. i've been posting my ass off in this talkback, it seems. i'm writing in response to your post that more or less praised Neitmol's bashing of my post. so, although indirectly, you were kind of bashing me. i seem to be getting a lot of this today. you mention how you're sick of all the nitpickers who only focus on the things Jackson got WRONG and not all those wonderful things he got RIGHT. let me set the record straight here, once and for all. for anyone who is reading this: i wrote a four-page essay of sorts illustrating my opinions of Fellowship, and in that review/essay, i do address the things i like. what Jackson got RIGHT. now i do have a lot of problems with the things he got wrong: the ommission of numerous important scenes from the book, the addition of numerous scenes not in the book, the CG work, the pacing (the movie is too fast), the Galadriel-freaking-out scene, etc. but i also love the things he got right: the fifteen minutes in Hobbiton at the beginning is brilliant. the scoring, the shots, the acting, dialogue... it's beautiful. Howard Shore's score in general is a wonderfully intelligent piece of music. the scene in the Moria Mines when Gandalf utters his last words before being pulled over the edge into the dark abyss: "Fly... you fools!" the slow-motion sequence that follows that moment. Aragorn's decapatation of Lurtz. Viggo Mortensen and Sean Astin's incredible performances. just about every other performance which, although not flawless, deserves strong mention. and there are more, believe me. you see, the reason that i constantly mention the bad things about the movie here on AICN is that there is already a legion of people who will stop at nothing to sing the praises of this supposedly "perfect" film. what i like about this movie is always being mentioned, so i feel it is more important for me to address my complaints, because at least those aren't found in practically every post on these boards. so there you have it. i do NOT hate Fellowship. i do NOT hate Peter Jackson. i just have problems with them.
ROUS's by PurityOfEssence	Sep 30th, 2002 08:05:27 PM
I love the part with Orcs riding the rodents of unusual size.
John Farson: thanks for the heads-up. by a goonie	Sep 30th, 2002 08:05:56 PM
i'm happy to hear about the use of animatronics for everyone's favourite ent.
Doc Loggins by Shocker69	Sep 30th, 2002 08:07:43 PM
Umm Ok I won't resort to your low life remarks about being disapointed with a movie before it was even seen in a format which is CLEAR and visible. Second, If you are indeed a film reviewer then surely you must be a poor one since ALMOST every other film critic that seen the movie was pretty impressed. Bottom line is if you already know you will be dissapointed, Then please do us all a favor and take your negative attitude elsewhere. Don't go see the movie since you already have a BIASED opinion and yet you havent even seen it yet. Tis a shame that some people are out to spoil others who really do take the whole film for what its worth. Miramax wanted to break this thing up in 2 movies instead of three.. Where would we all be then.. Left with a shitty movie which failed to live up to the remarkable work of JRR Tolkien. My Point is some of us aren't ass kissers nor are we Peter Jackson suckups.. What we are is Thrilled that the movie was brought to the Big Screen with such passion. Everyone involved in this project can be seen as giving there best effort to make this film the best damn movie it could be. ( as was the Original Star Wars Trilogy 20 years ago ). I wont play Monday morning quarter back and second geuss what the film maker and crew have done.. If you could do better, then by all means please show us.. otherwise just chill out and enjoy the ride as the rest of us are !!
Arwen & Elrond at Helm's Deep by IAmLegolas	Sep 30th, 2002 08:18:54 PM
Why does everyone keep bring this up as if they know it for sure? For all we know, they could be FLASHBACK scenes, perhaps we'll get to see when Aragorn and Arwen first meet and soon later Elrond's doubts about it working out. Most of those shots with Arwen look more like Rivendell or possibly Lorien to me. And to the CGI effects wizards, do us a favor and judge the CGI when you see it in the theatre. Enough already! Oh and everything Shocker69 says is right on the money. I've got the day off for Dec. 18th already. Word up, yo!
Virkku the Cave Troll was Mo-Capped, not hand animated... by Darth_Inedible	Sep 30th, 2002 08:23:38 PM
... Or at least a large part of the Cave Troll stuff was motion capped. The documentaries all have footage of a little guy in a capture suit pretending he's a big hulking cave troll swinging a 2 ton club. And of course this didn't work very well because humans aren't big hulking cave trolls and they can't even lift a 2 ton club. So what ended up in the film was most likely a mix of both techniques, with lots of hand keyframe fixs of the motion capped data(which happens alot with mo-cap work). IMO a fully hand animated cave troll would have been much better, but only IF they had the animation talent(which they probably didn't at the time). Gollum on the other hand would be a perfect candidate for Mo-cap as he is a human character, so a human performer should theoretically be able to make his movements look credible. From what I understand they're basically using a CG rotoscoping technique for Gollum where the animators move their model against reference footage shot on the set with Andy Serkis. It should be interesting.
Shocker by PurityOfEssence	Sep 30th, 2002 08:24:09 PM
I don't mean any offence man, but negative attiudes are a huge part of talk backs and they aren't going anywhere. Other than that I agree with what you have to say (mostly). You can't judge any movie by its trailer, especially one pressented in such poor quality. A prime example of a movie with a poor trailer was X-MEN. I liked the movie X-Men but only one of the tralers was decent (but not that good) the other two had me worried. On another subject, I am amazed at how deffensive some of you are about this film. Just becuase someone doesn't like it, or pokes fun at it doesn't mean its going to fail or something. Man some of you are uptight, this is just like a several months ago when the new star wars trailers came out.
Oh and where is the King Of All TBs when you need him? by IAmLegolas	Sep 30th, 2002 08:24:10 PM
:^)
Trailer as a whole by Shocker69	Sep 30th, 2002 08:36:05 PM
Ok I vented a bit on Doc Loggins. Not in my nature but sometimes it just pisses me off that some people have to be so negative before they have even seen the movie. Ok Nuff said Doc, I respect your opinion and will leave it at that. As for my opinion well.. Umm I am with you IAMlegolas.. Damn straight.. I will be there DECEMBER 18th 12:00 am..!! This trailer shows the story taking off and Helms Deep is gonna KICK ASS !! Ohh and BTW I loved the choice of music from RFAD.. That piece rocks..
Looks fantastic by dan3333	Sep 30th, 2002 08:37:47 PM
Why would people come on this site and pick apart an obviously well made movie? I thought Attack of The Clones and The Phantom Menace were subpar prequels, and could point out their there flaws. But why? It won't change anybody's opinion of the movies. You love it or you don't. I loved Star Wars, ESB and Return of The Jedi. LOTR:FOTR is a class production from start to finish, and TTT looks to be the same. Just sit back, relax and enjoy. There's too much crap going on today to be stretching for putdowns.
Thoughts by Darth Melkor	Sep 30th, 2002 09:44:20 PM
I agree with some above that Gollum doesn't look that great. He looks too cartoonish in these new shots. The complete opposite of how I felt he looked in Fellowship and the earlier Two Towers shots. But CGI was the only way to go with him. No actor is skinny or agile enough to portray what is portrayed in the novels. I also agree that Jar Jar Binks, though annoying and poorly executed most of the times, was seamless CGI when interacting with human actors. That scene in the forest at the beginning of TPM is completely convincing to me. But hey all these CG movies have two types of effects, convincing and cheesy. Example: Balrog - kickass, cave troll - cheesy. Jar Jar - kickass, gungans during final TPM battle, cheesy... and so on. But it's only a small quicktime video, I'll wait for the awesome version tomorrow before a begin forming real set-in-stone opinions.
fatboyroberts: Yes, trailer music is frequently changed from the by ar42	Sep 30th, 2002 09:47:59 PM
Everything from tempo and pitch adjustments, to adding new backing as was done in the TTT trailer. It's not as difficult as you might think. It sounds like they've just added some synthesized drums and stronger strings -- not too much work. Nowadays, you don't need an orchestra for that kind of thing...
TV CASUALTY: balroc = Balrog by Wydok	Sep 30th, 2002 09:54:38 PM
Someone misspelled Balrog as 'balroc' and other people decided to use it to make fun of him. And if you don't know what the Balrog is, go watch Fellowship again :-P
not going to be as good as star wars by marks70	Sep 30th, 2002 09:59:34 PM

star wars is way better by marks70	Sep 30th, 2002 10:01:20 PM
the cgi in this movie suck compaired to star wars i wont go to this one
TTT trailer: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly... by Orson W	Sep 30th, 2002 10:02:29 PM
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the appalling schoolboy acting of the guy playing Eomer. Almost ruins the trailer for me. This guy has fallen headlong into the 'hokey acting' trap that FOTR mostly managed to avoid. How did this guy get cast? For a second, his line delivery made me think I was watching a trailer for the next Star Wars movie! (Shudder) Anyway, there are some great bits in the trailer - especially the wargs and Gollum. As for the quality of the CGI - it's impossible to tell from the tiny format - but Gollum looks terrific to me - I'm looking forward to seeing if he's as good as Bakshi's Gollum which was actually very good.....But I wish they'd stop going on about 'the fall of the WORLD OF MEN' etc. It's in every trailer and it's getting repetitive - don't they talk about anything else in the movie? And the orcs-scaling-the-walls shot is getting old too - and the movie isn't even out yet! And while we're at it: the old baddies-attack-humble-village- and-set-it-on-fire scene has already been seen in just about every fantasy flick from Conan the Barbarian to Dragonheart. Yawn. But I'm hopeful this trailer is not representative of the movie and that they haven't shown us any of the good stuff. I remember thinking the FOTR trailers were awful but the movie turned out to be a hell of a lot better...
Hee hee Trees can walk! by Ascensia	Sep 30th, 2002 10:21:34 PM
That was grrrreat! Some stuff blew me away.. treebeard scooping up Merry mostly... Too bad there's that love triangle crappamoli thrown in. Sigh. Silly Arwen. Love the oliphaunts, do you think they have enough tusks? Did anyone else notice the unusual black square over Gollum's bum? It wasn't cloth. Interesting. Censored? hmmm. My friend and I thought that odd. Maybe bring it to all your attention. Does anyone else think this movie looks dark? Wow.. tides of darkness, same old. I'm excited now, actually! December 18th.. HURRRRRY!!!!!
Doc_Loggins by Knimbleknight	Sep 30th, 2002 10:22:58 PM
Look, I have no problem with constructive criticism, but if you are really trying to be a legitimate movie critic, you can't make statements concerning how you already know you won't like the effects in TTT two and half months before you've even seen the film. Hard to take anybody seriously with such preconceived negativity. Even if you didn't like the VFX work in FOTR doesn't mean that this movie won't be an improvement. Sure, it is the same crew, but yes, technology does improve a lot in a year. These guys have a lot of experience under their belts and have learned a lot after FOTR. FOTR's success has given WETA much greater financial flexibility and they have dramatically upgraded their capablities. And I think it's great that PJ isn't sticking exclusively with CGI - he's mixing it up quite a bit. How many directors would actually have the balls to build a full scale model of Edoras, although you'll probably complain about the shoddy CGI with that set. And they build a mammoth quarter scale model of Helm's Deep, which you will probably chalk up as crappy CGI as well. And sure, while a large portion of the orc armies will be CGI, PJ has used a ton of extras as well. The list goes on and on. Just be sure to consider the extensive use of non-CGI effects as you watch this movie.
It sucks ASS! by elf_killer18	Sep 30th, 2002 11:10:35 PM
Man that is it? What a long boring trailer. I guess I just saw all the good parts of that homo movie and it wasn't that good. Just as shitty as I thought. This site is just gay rights propanganda now. Fuck merry and pimpin' I couldn't tell them apart and now a movie about them? WTF? PJ is flushing this entire movie down the shitter just like I thought. Merry is a stupid name anyway.
cave troll by adam_61550	Sep 30th, 2002 11:56:01 PM
SHIT!, that IS a cave troll being hoisted up over the walls of helms deep. i cant wait to see that "little" sequence in its entirety. gollum looks like he changes colors with his environment(i.e.-u can barely see him at night against the sky, u can barely see him at day against the ground), i hope thats not the case, pj shouldve stuck with puke green or black, thats my 2 cents.
AOL gives us a Trailer that crashes? by Superman Vs. WB	Oct 1st, 2002 12:00:51 AM
It always crashed my comp. The trailer looked alright, they're saving the best for the movie, and I can't get into it like the FOTR Trailer....
OK, lets see what gems of wisdom we can find today. by BG	Oct 1st, 2002 12:08:10 AM

morgoth. by a goonie	Oct 1st, 2002 12:12:36 AM
hey there. seems like the majority of my day has been spent replying to people's talkback posts regarding me and my posts. i know you told me not to reply with some scathing rebuttal, but don't worry: that's not what this is. i just wanted to address your comments, and have a say on them myself. it's true. i don't like CGI in most cases. in that sense, and in some others, i'm very traditional, which is somewhat ironic because of my age. i prefer stop-motion, matte paintings, miniatures, animatronics, etc. not because it necessarily looks more REAL than CGI, but because for me, it is more innocent and therefore more forgiveable. i don't have to like CGI, so i don't. even if i live to see a day when every Hollywood film has nothing but CG effects, i will still stick to my feelings and opinions. i agree with the comment that "they don't make em like they used to." i miss the credit sequences of films from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. i wish black-and-white was far more accepted in today's film world. i miss actors like Cary Grant, Kat Hepburn, Marlon Brando, and Humphrey Bogart. but there's a part of me that not only accepts, but loves and adores contemporary cinema and contemporary technology. believe me, i have enjoyed CGI on occassion. as a child, i was a huge dinosaur lover. i grew up with bad dino b-movies and Godzilla and Gorgo flicks. i never dreamed i would live to see ILM's CG dino-work in Jurassic Park, or the two sequels that followed. some of the CG work on the T-Rex is literally perfect. and there's the often-amazing work (again by ILM) in T2, and the incredible work (this time by Digital Domain) in Titanic. so there are examples of CGI that i adore. but in most cases, i just don't like it. the ultimate special effects movie remains James Whale's 1933 "The Invisible Man."
Shocker69... by a goonie	Oct 1st, 2002 12:21:52 AM
i keep getting posts (negative ones, might i add) addressed to me, and that's fine and dandy, but they seem like posts based on only one of my posts on this board. i've posted like 700 times on this particular talkback. well not that much, but whatever. people keep addressing me, so i keep writing them back with generally kind and serious posts that further explain where it is i am coming from. i appreciate greatly the fact that so many people have read my post(s). but if you read everything i've written here, you'll get a better illustration of my opinions. there's a post on here somewhere, by me, that explains the majority of what i really like about Fellowship. i am far from hating the movie, believe me. and also, i am very aware of all the critics that adored the film. one was my very own favourite film critic, Lisa Schwarzbaum, of Entertainment Weekly, who named it the best film of 2001. just because i didn't love everything about this movie, and hated some parts, does not diminish my credibility as a film critic.
Gollum, Gollum by jingoba	Oct 1st, 2002 12:24:42 AM
thought he looked great, esp. when he is trying to get out of sam/frodo's arms. great detail--look at it again. but what i really wanted to say is: anyone else wonder where that light above sam and frodo is coming from? Gollum attacks in the dark..cuts to next scene which in the book is in the same sequence...the surrounding area is dark, and gollum seems to be cringing in its prescence...hmmmm wonder what that could be? RFAD music kicked ass, I dont care if it is or is not in the movie (which it wont be)it worked great here and if it was in the movie I am sure it would work just as well. See ya there dec. 18th.
OH MY GOD!! by oyvey	Oct 1st, 2002 12:40:07 AM
THIS MAKES ME SHIT MY PANTS I'M SO EXCITED! I think my ANUS is bleeding! Good lord! I can't stop crying! I can't wait! oh my lord! oh man! This is the best thing I have ever seen. Is this the internet? Is this thing on? Can you hear me? boy oh boy! I can't believe that they're re-releasing this film! yay!
Harry's thoughts on changes by Da-Met	Oct 1st, 2002 01:17:08 AM
So harry in this new re-imagining of The Two Towers they are going to have Gimli be gay and hit on Aragorn, Gandalf and Arwen have an affair, Frodo and Gollum decide to use the ring to attack and kill all the dwarves at the Lonely Mountain, and Sam has an elf orgy. Want to tell us what a fantastic reimagining this is and why all this is a good idea? Go ahead you corporate slut... if PJ were to make those changes, you'd still love the movie. Why? Because PJ invited YOU to the frelling set (don't get me wrong, I LOVE LOTR and LOVED the FOTR movie, and think TTT will rock, and its b/c of the faithfullness that I loved it), but if the movie is not faithful and changes every single thing from the book including the fundamentals, you'll still love it, because PJ called you to the set. You frelling redheaded illegitimate stepchild of Freddie Prinze Jr. Go back to giving JJ Abrams a footjob now.
Holy shizz by BH\|Sauron	Oct 1st, 2002 02:08:42 AM
Full screen should ease any bad CGI fears. Fantastic.
doc loggins is an idiot.... by s0phus	Oct 1st, 2002 04:23:19 AM
omg doc loggins is an idiot... that has to be the rank of a person who never read any LOTR books.. and what's all that shit about standard CGI crap? there's nothing standard about it.. dumbass, just an opinion. Seeing this trailer pumps you up for the movie.. never have I seen a trailer that makes me drool and want more.. not even for FOTR..
i don't really care by s0phus	Oct 1st, 2002 04:26:38 AM
i don't really care what anyone has to say. You're opinions mean crap to me.
miss aura by s0phus	Oct 1st, 2002 04:38:40 AM
Do you know what ripping off means?? people can't just remix versions of songs without permission. It has to do with the rights and what not. It's not stealing.. you imbecile.
More Virkku's comments about Cave Troll... by virkku	Oct 1st, 2002 05:19:35 AM
I remember how some SFX guys from WETA told that they tried to use motion capture at first, but then made it almost entirely hand animated. I don't see why it would be difficult to make Cave Troll as motion capture. It's body strcuture is very similar to a fat, muscular human. The key is to slow down all movements to about 70% of the human movements, which gives it an illusion of mass. Big creatures move slower than small creatures. Admittedly the hand animated dinosaurs in JP movies are great, so I might be talking out of my ass here. I'm not expert on CGI animation. But anyway, the reason why Cave Troll looked fake was the jerky, too fast movement it had.
the fullscreen trailer is online! by godot23	Oct 1st, 2002 05:29:09 AM
hey, just go and check theonering.net. they allready released the location of the fullscreen trailer!
awesome stuff but.... by Ali786	Oct 1st, 2002 05:39:10 AM
bloody brilliant..but I'm worried about the huge amount of CG ..it wasn't that much of a problem in the first part but here there looks to be alot..and CG can make or break most films..
Walk into the world of the Two Towers for real! by donutrock	Oct 1st, 2002 10:56:10 AM
Pilfered from www.thestar.com Lord Of The Rings on display again Lord Of The Rings fans in Toronto will get a chance to explore the Middle-earth setting of The Two Towers before the movie opens Dec. 18. Costumes, drawings, props and footage from the movie will be displayed Oct. 31-Nov. 30 at the ROM's former McLaughlin Planetarium wing in an exhibit designed to give fans the feeling they are entering the mythical lands where the second of The Lord Of The Rings movie trilogy takes place. Huge crowds at a similar pre-movie display last year at Casa Loma before release of The Fellowship Of The Ring, plus the first movie's healthy box office figures in Canada, convinced distributor Alliance Atlantis to set up the only North American exhibit of The Two Towers artefacts. The Fellowship grossed $53.5 million in Canada, which represented 17.25 per cent of the North American total. Patrons at The Two Towers exhibit will journey through the Fangorn Forest, the Golden Hall, Helm's Deep, Glittering Caves and Isengard Caverns before reaching Rivendell. It will be set up by the movie's designers, Dan and Chris Hennah, who will come from New Zealand to prepare the display. Tickets, which go on sale through Ticket King (http://www.ticketking.com) tomorrow, cost $15 for adults, $12 for seniors and students, and $7.50 for children. Call 416-872-1212. The trailer for The Two Towers was scheduled to premiere on America Online today and be available on the movie's web site (http://www.lordoftherings.net ) tomorrow. It will begin appearing in theatres Friday.

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