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LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS Special Preview Trailer

But...IS Austin one of te 40 markets the trailer is showing in?? by exit272	Mar 25th, 2002 04:00:14 PM
Been 3 months since I've seen the movie, so this is as good a time to go back as any. Is an Austin theatre getting it, and if so, which one?
Primero! by Gregzero	Mar 25th, 2002 04:00:38 PM

Whoa by Snugjam	Mar 25th, 2002 04:06:20 PM
Says it all really. Sounds amazing. Pity I won't be able to see it on the friday... Does this confirm that Narsil will be reforged in ROTK and given to Aragorn for Pellenor? Why all the shots of Arwen?
Online? by Darth Melkor	Mar 25th, 2002 04:09:29 PM
When will this trailer go online? Or will it at all? I like LOTR a lot but don't want to sit through it again to see this.
Jeebus by LeeScoresby	Mar 25th, 2002 04:11:33 PM
Great hornytoads, this sounds exciting. All the people who complained that the first film was just "one long chase scene" won't be able to make that complaint here....
Will the trailer be online after Friday? by jrdanaraj	Mar 25th, 2002 04:16:44 PM
Do you think there will be a quicktime version of the TTT trailer after this Friday?
Wow by AaronHayden	Mar 25th, 2002 04:21:54 PM
There were no talkbacks when I first came into this topic, but there are probably twenty now that I have read it twice. Thank you, Peter Jackson, for giving us this token of appetite-whetting delight to break up the slow march of a year.
Minas Morgul and Orthanc, right? by Kagero	Mar 25th, 2002 04:22:32 PM
at least that's what I believed "The Two Towers" to be. But I can see Jackson's point.
"Like a moving Frazetta...." by Smugbug	Mar 25th, 2002 04:28:48 PM
Damn, Harry. Y'know if you can compare just one scene with a Frazetta painting. I AM SO THERE. Well, I was going to be there, anyways....but the Frazetta thing is a definite hook!
Gandalf "Grayhaven" by Eryndur	Mar 25th, 2002 04:29:31 PM
This all sounds awesome. The shots from Helm's Deep look to be breathtaking. One note: Moriarty and Harry both quoted Saruman as calling Gandalf "Grayhaven". You're confusing the name with the Grey Havens, the elf port in western Middl-Earth. I of course haven't seen the TTT footage, but I'm 100% sure he actually says "Gandalf Greyhame", which is one of Gandalf's many, MANY names, and could easily be miscontrued as "Grayhaven".
Is it possible...? by Rafiennes	Mar 25th, 2002 04:35:56 PM
To get at least one review on this site that doesn't have some fantastical introduction like Gandalf appearing and touching somebodyy's naughties or having some sort of covert Black Ops kind of thing between the reviewer and, let's say, Warner Brothers. I mean, how bout, "Let's cut to the chase, here's the review..."
I'm having Geekgasms! by JacksonsBane	Mar 25th, 2002 04:41:06 PM
Just one thing, I hope that this is going to be as a flashback: "Happy shot of Aragorn and Arwen happily celebrating and preparing to kiss (it looks like)"
KUDOS on the Frazetta reference! by empyreal0	Mar 25th, 2002 04:45:06 PM

KUDOS on the Frazetta reference! by empyreal0	Mar 25th, 2002 04:45:53 PM
And we all know how much you love to chow on those Kudos bars, ya big softie.
Re: Elfkiller by JacksonsBane	Mar 25th, 2002 04:51:53 PM
Why don't you just crawl back into Lucas' butt, and rid us of your stupidity.
The trailer can be seen on Thursday in the UK by Gabriel8	Mar 25th, 2002 04:53:04 PM
Only at a certain cinema chain tho (think www.darkhorizons.com has more info) - still will go to see it asap on Thursday
What film(s) will trailer be attached to?@ by Alibi	Mar 25th, 2002 04:53:26 PM

Attn Trolls: Yeah, we've already heard the oscar gloating.. by minderbinder	Mar 25th, 2002 04:55:15 PM
Seriously, you guys have been trolling on this thing for months...and the WORST thing you can come up with about FotR is it "only" won four oscars? (I'm sure most filmmakers would be pissed about winning four oscars) That's the best you can do? Pathetic. So by your definition, only a couple movies a year escape being a "flop"?
So what movie is this in front of again? by waynehead	Mar 25th, 2002 04:56:20 PM
Well?
The trailer will be attached to Fellowship of course by wilko185	Mar 25th, 2002 04:56:30 PM
starting this Friday. Go see it, and don't leave before the credits roll....
If I were Gandalf, I'd turn Harry into something un-natural. by exPFCWintergreen	Mar 25th, 2002 04:57:50 PM
You know, just for kicks.___ Hey Elfkiller - if that is your real name - what's that you say? Your going to see a gay porn on Friday? Is that statuett of Harry in the top left-hand corner of your screen turning you on? I figured a guy like you would like LOTR, what with a gay knight starring in it and all. Mabye you're just overcompinsating for your - err, lets say - slightly unmanly ways?
THAT REVIEW WAS ABOUT AS LONG AS TOLKIEN'S BOOKS! Why does e by chuckrussel	Mar 25th, 2002 04:59:21 PM
yeah!
The Two Towers will roar out of the studio and into the theaters by WarDog	Mar 25th, 2002 05:07:18 PM
Coo, coo, Harry. Thanks for all the spoilage. I feel funny. What's that swelling down in my pants???
Arwen's role by ArPharazon	Mar 25th, 2002 05:11:57 PM
I'm betting Arwen will usurp the role of Halbarad and bring Aragorn the standard and Narsil reforged herself. Which means she'll walk the paths of the dead and be at the Pelennor Fields. The question is, does Arwen show up with these goodies before Helm's Deep or after. There are conflicting reports. One report puts Arwen at Helm's Deep. PJ, however, recently said ROTK will begin with the reforging of Narsil, which suggests Arwen doesn't meet up with Aragorn until the third movie. Unless Arwen doesn't give Narsil reforged to Aragorn. . . But if not Arwen, then who? PJ left Elrond's sons out of the FOTR, so it has to be Arwen. Certainly Elrond himself will not leave Rivendell? I'm betting Arwen probably will lead the rumored elf brigade -- which will replace JRRT's ranger brigade led by Halbarad and the sons of Elrond. But, I heard somewhere that a host of elves will fight at Helm's Deep. If true, then how can Arwen lead the elf host when Narsil has not yet been reforged? This is getting confusing. I'm sure all will be made clear in time. BTW, Elfkiller, you better watch what you say dude, especially your nasty little comments about Sir Ian. A jury in Florida recently entered a large verdict against someone for making defamatory and derrogatory comments about another person on the internet. They caught the bastard, who really messed up someone's life with his postings, by hiring an internet private investigator. Then, they filed an action against him for big bucks. So be careful, Elfboy. The nasty things you write could come back and bite you -- and if you're just a teenage turd, bite your parents -- in the ass.
elfkiller8 obviously has issues with his repressed homosexuality by Sepulchrave	Mar 25th, 2002 05:15:51 PM
Take the step, old boy, you'll feel much better afterwards.
and I thought... by AmonHen	Mar 25th, 2002 05:18:23 PM
the two towers were Minas Morgul & Minas Tirith
News on trailer in the U.K... by Addanc	Mar 25th, 2002 05:20:41 PM
Om 22nd March I sent this message to the questions page of www.warnervillage.co.uk: "I wondered if you could confirm that you will be receiving a new copy(s) of The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring sometime around 29th March that contains extra footage at the end of the film showing scenes from the second film in the trilogy, The Two Towers?" I got this reply this afternoon: "All performances of Lord of the Rings screened after the 28th March will also show the Two Towers Trailer. This will occur at all cinemas still currently showing performances. Regards Chris Timmins Customer Services" See you there on Good Friday?
Hey! Let's all waste our time posting numerous insults about by Psyclops	Mar 25th, 2002 05:24:03 PM
What the fuck is up with that? LOTR haters must have plenty of time on their hands to post three or four seperate negative comments on the same board using the same user ID. Dude, you don't like the movie... we get it already. Personally, I'd like to see FOTR one last time before it leaves theaters and check out this new footage (December can't get here fast enough), with any luck... 'The Two Towers' will be just a wonderful as the first chapter.
who needs LOTR when you have Muppets in Space this May. by Retrace	Mar 25th, 2002 05:24:32 PM
plus it has a boy band in it....what more could you greedy fools want.
trailer by Z of X	Mar 25th, 2002 05:32:01 PM
I would love to know exactly which theatres are going to run the trailer. That is to say, which of the major theatre companies will be smart enough to carry it. BTW, there is a link to nowhere on LOTR.net with a news blurb about this Fri. Maybe in a few minutes it will lead to some details. Ciao!
"I return to you now... at the turn of the tide." by Carson Dyle	Mar 25th, 2002 05:32:42 PM
Remember those words...
No Mr. Jackson, please! I cannot withstand another Thrashing! by nazismasher	Mar 25th, 2002 05:35:34 PM
Oh, Sweet Jesus! Not 24 hours have gone by since Oscar Night and we're starting all over again. Three years of relentless Lord of the Rings coolness and we've barely gotten over the first chapter . . .
Re: Gandalf "Grey Haven." by Carson Dyle	Mar 25th, 2002 05:37:34 PM
It's Greyhame.
Newbombo, imbecil, does this mean Lucas still licks the barnacle by nazismasher	Mar 25th, 2002 05:56:38 PM
Let's just weight the implications of your stupidity before we commit to certain lines of reasoning here or hey, I thought "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was cool too but since the academy deemed fit to snub it into the ground too I guess it must be purile shit too, huh? Come back when you've stopped taking chode from Woody Allen and Ron Howard 'cause just maybe Peter Jackson got robbed of his due George Lucas style. Ah, I love troll bashing.
la sith by fladnaG	Mar 25th, 2002 05:57:34 PM
Where and at what time? I don't think you posted that info. If you did and I missed it then my bad. Cheers.
LA SITH!!!!!!!! by fladnaG	Mar 25th, 2002 05:59:52 PM
Hopefully you will see the subject header as my last post got buried somewhere. Where and at what time can this footage be seen? I don't think you posted that info. Cheers,
What the hell happened to the TB order by fladnaG	Mar 25th, 2002 06:10:13 PM
Dammit Harry. Oh well. Cheers.
LOTR-bashers and their pathetic arguements by europop	Mar 25th, 2002 06:18:31 PM
--- "You can always tell crappy visual effects because they hide them in darkness." --- This is what a LOTR basher said in the oscar thread, and it's been said by other bashers too. This is the lamest attempt at criticism I've ever seen. Imagine, if you will, a LOTR FX guy: "So what do we do about the effects in Moria? Do we make Moria into a place of light so that it doesn't seem like we're trying to hide the effects? Or do we spend extra time and money making the effects photorealistic, even though the setting is too dark to see anything in that much detail? Erm, Peter, why are you firing me?!!" --------- Also, you've got to love the "FOTR only got 4 technical awards proving it's a failure" drivel. LOL LOL LOL! How sad!! So I guess recent classics like The Shawshank Redemption or L.A. Confidential are crap too right? RIGHT? I hope LOTRs continued success causes all you bashers much pain and frustration over the coming years.
This isn't about the fans. by Uga	Mar 25th, 2002 06:21:49 PM
Come on - the trailer isn't about "making the fans happy." It's a business move to make sure the film hits $300 million domestic. I see nothing wrong with trying to get more money, but AICN should just call a spade a spade. Dust the brown off your noses.
We will coo? by euphonium	Mar 25th, 2002 06:26:25 PM
What is cooing? I've heard of it before but I don't think I know what it is. I don't think its a dirty word. BTW, I would have been happy with Jackson winning for director, it was a bit much to ask for movie (did we really think FOTR stood a chance, its a fantasy film). I'm glad Crowe didn't win, he's such a hack. There is still hope, though, there are two more films (which will probably be better) on the way! Question: do you think there's a chance for Wood and/or Austin to pick up nominations? I think maybe for ROTK.
MAN! Harry's recount of the trailer licked my pussy, it was by spideyman1218	Mar 25th, 2002 06:28:09 PM
He must have really really liked Blade 2 to write that review.
Uga - of course they're trying to make more money. by exPFCWintergreen	Mar 25th, 2002 06:33:55 PM
But who cares? People want to see it, so why the hell not? The shot an entire trilogy of movies at once. It was a big gamble, but they figured the potential gains from shooting all three at once was worth it. This 4 minute preview is just one example of those potential gains. BTW, 'Fellowship' is already at $297 million. It'll crack $300 million with or without this preview. The only thing this preview may do is help 'Fellowship' beat 'Harry Potter'. It needs about $17 million. Hopefully there are enought LOTR fans out there to topple that nerdy little four-eyes.
Ryalto: TTT by Eryndur	Mar 25th, 2002 06:36:05 PM
Ryalto, I'm pretty sure the TT are indeed Orthanc and Barad-Dur. I believe Tolkien himself said this at the end of FOTR, in the little blurb at the very end where he talks about the further adventures of the Fellowship in the upcoming Two Towers. These little blurbs (and the synopses in TTT & ROTK) are only contained in editions where the books are separated into 3 parts, obviously. Double-check me on that, but I'm almost positive I'm correct. I also remember Tolkien saying that the title was used because it represents the unholy alliance between Saruman and Sauron.
Chickens and prositutes 'Lay' . . . by Wydok	Mar 25th, 2002 06:43:46 PM
Everybody else lie. Harry said that he saw "Upon that last word we cut to Arwen laying in a black dress" and a "Close up of Arwen laying." Now, unless PJ took a LOT of liberties with this film, I doubt we will see Arwen gettin' it on, so to speak. Perhaps she was "lying in a black dress" instead.---------------------- ------------------------------ ----------------The grammar police have spoken.
Sounds good by InsideOutMan	Mar 25th, 2002 06:46:50 PM
I hope they dont have the gay ass music which was in the first one.
hey 'la_sith' by Skinny Bastard	Mar 25th, 2002 07:05:23 PM
I'LL BE THERE!!! I buy rental video for a multimedia retail chain (based out of Texas) and I'm flying to L.A. for the FOTR announce tomorrow!! And of course, I'm more than excited about it...
Anyone else have a hard time sneaking into theatres? by NotchJohnson	Mar 25th, 2002 07:06:34 PM
Hi gang, Notch Johnson here. I ASK YOU - Why all the fuss over paying again to see LOTR just to get a "Two Towers" trailer? I ask, how well patrolled is your local multiplex? Is it staffed by teens who barely know how to add one plus one, let alone ensure paid customers into each theatre? What's all the fuss? What comes out this week? "Panic Room"? "Clockstoppers" (ughhhh)....well, here's my little secret. You pay for a film like "Panic Room", you arrive about 40 minutes early, give or take. You wait for the next showing of LOTR....you walk in and sit down....you watch the trailer and "mark out," so to speak...then you walk out and amble around until "Panic Room" starts. It's called SNEAKING IN. But I can't call it stealing if you're sneaking in for a movie trailer. On the other hand, my local AMC theatres posted signs about "Ice Age" saying no refunds after the trailers begin. HONESTLY, HOW MANY OF YOU ARE PAYING FOR LOTR TO SEE THE TRAILER? I'm banking on 40%, and that even includes the die-hard LOTR fans. Notch out.
ryalto by hildebrand	Mar 25th, 2002 07:37:50 PM
Your comments regarding humans and hobbits is a blatent rip-off of Roger Ebert's review. Why not give credit to an idea. Or better yet, start to think of your own critque's of the film.
Clarification of "Towers" issue. by Carson Dyle	Mar 25th, 2002 08:01:58 PM
For the record, as far as the film is concerened, the title "The Two Towers" refers to Orthanc and Barad-dur.
one last hurrah! by Z of X	Mar 25th, 2002 08:05:37 PM
Who knows how long it will be until FOTR is in theatres again? Think back in time to when you first saw SW or ESB or ROTJ. I was still too young then to have much of a say in which movies I saw let alone how many times I saw them. If I'd known back then that it would be 2 decades before I could see those classics on the big screen again you'd better believe I'd have thrown the biggest tantrum in history. I'd have made sure that my cheap parents would've taken me on every day they wanted me to eat. So here we are with another classic SciFi/Fantasy movie that'll probably be absent from the screen for another 20 years. I know we've all seen it more than once, probably more than 5 times by now, but here we have an excuse to return and enjoy it one last time. Go for trailer, yes, but also go to say goodbye to a great movie that'll soon only exist for the majority of us on 35" tv screens. Imagine, children born this year won't know FOTR as a big screen movie for 20 years...freaky. Anyway, there's my 2 pieces o'eight. Ciao!
Another LOTR movie? by Brooklyn Bred	Mar 25th, 2002 08:13:17 PM
big whoop! Think I'll go see Blade again!
WHAT?!?! SURELY YOU JEST! by antmanx68	Mar 25th, 2002 08:55:28 PM
"Big Whoop....... I'll go see blade again". Sorry to say this out loud but Blade 2 LICKED, it licked HARD!!! the makeup was cool, and of course blade was cool, but the other characters were so paper thin and one dimensional that it made me sick. The whole movie lost all the appeal that the first one had. there was ABSOLUTELY NO CONFLICT between blade and the other vampires, whoever wrote that dialogue should be marooned on an island with man eating animals. Oh and i really loved the complete absence of continuity and it CGI was simply stellar!!! O wait i meant to say that it sucked! Not to mention that there were plot holes big enough for even harry to do cart-wheels through (pretty big). The bloodpack (excluding snowman) were the most untrained, unprepared bunch of losers who's only succes were shooting guns (which is cheap), wearing impractical uniforms, and being not interesting. Why couldnt Blade have just gotten in the way of them feeding on a human, and then have a little round robin with Lighthammer and snowman. It would have been way better than his conflicts with Reinhardt with interested me about as much as seeing del toro naked eating JELLO (not very much!) Here's a little math problem for ya. Bad writing+piss poor acting+Disregard for continuity+overuse of bad CGI+HOT (but emotionless) female supporter+monkey faced ron perlman+ Vampire team that might as well have been a bunch of Humans+An Obsene UNDERUSAGE of Donnie YEn (SNOWMAN, THE ONLY INTERESTING CHARACTER)+RETURN OF WHISTLER+COOL AS HELL REAPERS+ Vampires who can see in the dark but use flashlights(???)+Blade fighing that could not even touch the fights in the first film+CHUPA(who walked like he was so big that he couldnt put his arms down even though he's a pussy)+poorly placed humor+Two plot twists that no one cared about or even took notice of+All the other crap ______________________________ ____ =Blade 2 Good acting+Good Writing+good CGI+Good Humor+Tightly knit plot and characters who act like they are supposed to=LORD OF THE RINGS
Gay Gandolf holding hands with a young Latino warrior stud at th by FD Resurrected	Mar 25th, 2002 09:13:58 PM
Such marvelous audacity. Such wondrous expression of older man/young man love. Give Sir Ian McKellan Best Supporting Actor Oscar next year or in 2004. This brave and courageous gay knight of England is so defiant of puritanical and hypocritical socialization in America he deserve the allocade and awards not for his contribution to film and stage but also promote the humanitarian cause of love and compassion. Take that, LOTR-hating ultra-moralist God-fearing fanatics - including GOD HATES FAGS founder Rev. Fred Phelps and his homophobic cult followers and Utah Eagle Forum president Gayle Ruzicka and her homophobic moral zealot housewife members! Sir Ian McKellan - oh my goodness - just fucking RULE. Eager to see TTT trailer...
Clarification on the title by PoliMan4	Mar 25th, 2002 10:02:28 PM
Since it wasn't Tolkien that came up with the title "The Two Towers" (it was the publishers) it has never been clear as to what two towers it was refering to. There are many towers, after all. Orthanc: definitly one of the 2, it's the tower that is featured the most in the TTT book. Minas Tirith: not seen at all in the TTT book, so it isn't one of the two towers. The Black Gate: this gate to Mordor has two towers on either side of it. It could be that the title refers to them, though the gate plays a small role in TTT. Minas Morgul: has a small but significant role in TTT, so it could be one of the two towers. Cirith Ungol: seen from a distance by Sam and Frodo before Shelob, but they don't actually go there until ROTK. Barad Dur: not seen at all in TTT, but it is certainly the most important tower in the whole story, except for maybe Minas Tirith. First I thought it was Orthanc and Cirith Ungol, since they are involved separatly at the ends of the each side of the story in TTT, but then I reallized that Sam and Frodo don't even go to Cirith Ungol until ROTK. Then I thought Orthanc and Minas Morgul, but now I'm going with the movie's idea of Orthanc and Barad Dur. Those two are each representative of the two evil forces in the story: Saruman and Sauron. But whatever. To each his own. I'm working Friday night, so I gotta wait til Saturday to see the tralier. Sounds kick ass. Now all Harry needs to do is give us a link to the tralier in quicktime.
Blade 2 was not the oral feast Harry described.... by Retrace	Mar 25th, 2002 10:03:27 PM

Oscars - Who gives a rip by erichg	Mar 25th, 2002 10:07:41 PM
For starters, Fellowship is indeed a great movie . . . I had it as an honorable mention on my list of Best Films of 2001. The critics who complain that LOTR is narrative heavy and difficult to follow over the first half of the movie are correct. Christ, there is a ton of backstory. However, the film is also a loving adaption that ultimately contains the same problems as the source material. Frankly, it was a lucky break that the movie garnered so many Oscar nods. Firstly, the Academy doesn't like fantasy films. Secondly, the above-mentioned quirks found in the flick are enough to hold it back. Having said that: ultimately, who cares about this craziness? How often does the Academy acknowledge the best movies of the year anyway? Ah, NEVER!!!Memento or Ghost World are just as deserving as any other best picture. Think of it this way: the Academy Awards included a Best Animated category and Waking Life was not nominated. That speaks volumes. Lastly, Fellowship is the weakest book in the trilogy. Point blank. Peter Jackson managed to turn it into a grand epic anyway. Not a complete homerun, but it's as close as anyone will come. As is the case with the books, the next two movies will be head and shoulders better than the first. So, for people who put stock in the Oscars: be happy that Fellowship was nominated at all. The next installments are going to rock. Perhaps those big awards are on the way. For people who could care less about the Academy Awards: hey, Fellowship is just another good film passed over come ceremony time.
Blade 2 was not the oral feast Harry described.... by Retrace	Mar 25th, 2002 10:07:47 PM
how a guy can get his ass kicked for 10 minutes and not loose his shades is beyond me.
you might be on to something but.... by Retrace	Mar 25th, 2002 10:32:49 PM
kirsten and liv have the same manager and reportedly won't do full frontal nudity, however its reported that for the right amount of money - they will expose their bungholes.
How will the story be told? by filmnazi	Mar 25th, 2002 10:36:47 PM
I'm assuming that the two "books" will be told intertwined, however, I wonder if the whole Gandalf and the gang part will be shown completely before we even see Frodo and Sam. Having read TT, I have to say that Book II was much more interesting, however I think the first book will transfer to film better. Gollum has got to be one of the most compelling characters in contempiarary fiction.
WOO!!!! by missy_circy	Mar 25th, 2002 10:37:42 PM
Can't wait 'til friday! it's gonna be awesome! anyhoo.... I'd just like to say that i don't understand why so many people leave messages on here saying horribly negative things. If you all hate it so much, i'd think you'd have something better to do with yourself than talk about the thing you hate ALL THE TIME. Get a life, haters...
BrooklynBred = Brooklyn Boob. by filmnazi	Mar 25th, 2002 10:41:14 PM
Yankees Suck, and so does Blade.
Gee whiz by missy_circy	Mar 25th, 2002 10:46:29 PM
I'd also like to add that all of this homophobia infecting the message boards is truly, truly, disgusting. Wake up, folks, it's the 21st century.
SLAG OFF! by filmnazi	Mar 25th, 2002 10:52:04 PM
Thnk God, somebody called the PC Police... Slag Off!!!!!
WETA TO DO WARHAMMER 40K!!!!!!! by Jaqen H'ghar	Mar 25th, 2002 10:55:29 PM
I hope we can read a headline like that on this site in the next five years or so... I mean, battles do not come any more epic than 40K - in the far future there in only war. If I was into making physical and special effects, I think that would be the ultimate project. I wonder who owns the rights? Games Workshop? Saul Zaents (sp) ? Beacuse 40K is basically just a universe, like what STAR WARS has become, there is no particular story waiting to be told, though a few decent novels have been published. That means a good scriptwriter could basically go to town, telling just about any action/horror/military epeic he/she has a taste for. I'm sure it will happen - maybe I'll find out its already happening in some corner of the world, as I did with LOTR. Another cool project which a company like WETA should tackle is The Amtrack Wars. It's a pretty well-read sci-fi series in Oz, but I heard it's not as popular in the U.S. Does the name put you off? I guess its not the most patriotic, flag-waving piece, which I've heard is a pre-requisite for comercial success in America. Ah well. About the most important thing to come out of the Oscars was a couple jokes which got past the censors which I thought might offend the Hollywood Jew-huggers and their New York masters. Nathan Lane made a crack about the Weinstein Bros. being "the face of all evil" or something and then we had Whoopi's Frodo-anti-Semite call. Maybe Jews are losing their "we can dish it out but don't dare reciprocating or you'll never work here again" untouchability, which corresponds interestingly with the success of Denzel and Halle. (though Whoopi and Nathan are memebers of minorities, which may be relevant) I read that Harvey Weinstein wants to make a Jewish ghetto v. SS, so it may be short lived. Although the Jews-as-victims line has been pretty successful for organsisations like JINSA, PR-wise. So Harvey may not want to depart from the team line. Did you notice that in their cameo appearance, Owen Wilson called Ben Stiller an "elf", though Stiller was dressed as Gimli, a dwarf. Maybe calling a Ben "dwarf" would have made members of the audience uncomfortable.*** But the main thing is WETA should do the effects for Warhammer 40K the Movie. Cheers.
Tolkien on "The Two Towers" by jbum	Mar 25th, 2002 11:10:01 PM
Tolkien himself wasn't that consistent on the subject of which towers "The Two Towers" referred to were: In a letter to Rayner Unwin, 1953: "'The Two Towers' gets as near as possible to finding a title to cover the widely divergent Books 3 and 4; and can be left ambiguous - it might refer to Isengard and Barad-dur, or to Minas Tirith and B; or Isengard and Cirith Ungol." In a later letter to Rayner Unwin, 1954: "I am not at all happy about the title 'the Two Towers'. It must if there is any real reference in it to Vol II refer to Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol. But since there is so much made of the basic opposition of the Dark Tower and Minas Tirith, that seems very misleading. There is, of course, actually no real connecting link between books III and IV, when cut off and presented separately as a volume." OK, I'm offically a geek now.
If, after reading this story, you are not excited about TTT, you by Jon Snow	Mar 25th, 2002 11:47:25 PM
Because you might be dead.
So, how much???? by Anglachel	Mar 25th, 2002 11:50:38 PM
I was just wondering if anyone would care to speculate on the amount of money that this new trailer will bring into the till for our boyz at New Line. It's kinda hard to tell, but for the last nine weekends it has been taking from seven to two million a pop. Would anyone care to venture a guess, for all you box office movie fucking geniuses? I'm hoping that it will give us enough of a boost to pass that little mother fucker with the broom, but it will probably be a long shot. So let the guessing begin. P.S. My Guess: It will be worth a boost of from 15 to 20 mil....here's hopin'
PJ hangs out with the fans.... by MrCere	Mar 26th, 2002 12:11:37 AM
Truely that is a delectable little tid-bit. Fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun! fun!. (Modeled after Ben Kingsly's acting in Sexy Beast.) Did you know PJ hangs out with fans? I was THERE. He and Rich Taylor (with his two Oscars) and Howard Shore and the whole damn gang came and hung out with us after Oscar night. I really like the "Back To The Future" trilogy, but did Michael J. Fox ever do THAT?
Harry ,you lucky bastard!!!!!!!!!!!! by floyd the barber	Mar 26th, 2002 12:26:50 AM
First episode 2 and now THIS!?!For a fan of "fantasy film" like myself this is like the golden age!You see I love them all.Star Wars,LOTR,Matrix,Spidey,Blade, X-men etc.This is an exciting time!This opinion seems to put me at odds with some talkbackers,I can't fathom why,is it some Highlander thing? Like "there can be only ONE? How boring.Hollywood seems like IT is finally courting us "fantasy" buffs.Lets not bitch,(to be sure what they are offering is nowhere near perfection,but we still need to give them encouragement(sp?) in the form of attendance.Hollywood will keep making what sells.More importantly they will keep trying to make it better to make it sell more.None of the films I mentioned before is "IT" Not yet.But damn I hope they keep going for the MONEY in fantasy.That will keep them trying..................and you AICN bastards will get to see it first.Again I say you are BASTARDS!Are you hiring?fuckers...........star wars.....bastards....two towers...COCKsuckers.....
Just out of curiousity by fladnaG	Mar 26th, 2002 01:11:00 AM
I'm curious as to the age and nationalities of people who visit this site. I almost always find the conversations interesting and I was just curious as to what people visit this site. If there are any Irish TBers out there let me know I'm going over there this summer and I got a few questions. I know this was kind of off topic but eh? oh well. Take it easy.
AFAIK it by Ioreth	Mar 26th, 2002 01:17:05 AM
but added footage between the original last scene (Sam/Frodo heading towards Mordor) and the credits/end credits - no trailer but a replacement of the LAST film reel for FOTR ...
Stop with the Foolish Narratives by Starbuck1975	Mar 26th, 2002 02:24:20 AM
Gandalf sitting on your chest eating chocolates...WTF...did he have his 20 something boy toy sitting on his lap and holding his hand like he did at the Oscars. Harry try as you may to place the laurels of cinematic achievement on the head of Peter Jackson as the end all be all of movie making, it seems that a lot of people don't agree with you. Given the exposure of the movie and the popularity and familiarity most people have with Tolkien, it is no big surprise that it made as much money as it did. Eye candy blockbusters tend to do that. But after the Oscars, LOTR will become a distant memory in the short attention spans of the movie going public, and Two Towers and ROTK will not make nearly as much as FOTR.
What are you still doing up Starbuck1975 by fladnaG	Mar 26th, 2002 02:36:30 AM
Don't you need your beauty sleep so you can get some good trolling in? or are you a dumbass like me who leaves a six page paper to sit there and fester until nine hours before its due? You know what, TTT and ROTK may not make as much as Fellowship but neither did ESB or ROTJ make as much as ANH. TPM made more but just because of the hype. I guaruntee AOTC won't make nearly as much.
Ah... another New Line sponsored "review" by Lord_Soth	Mar 26th, 2002 02:48:27 AM
Seriously: who gives a fuck? This is just a damn trailer.
Bring Back Ron Howard..bring back Val Kilmer...bring back Warwic by MrLimey	Mar 26th, 2002 03:22:39 AM
Do you get a free supply coffee,coke and pro-plus to keep you awake through this 3 hour snoozathon?
We need more fantasy? by Billy Talent	Mar 26th, 2002 03:37:01 AM
Funny, I was under the impression that Hollywood produced almost nothing but juvenile, comic book style fare. I was worried the multiplexes would be glutted with bad sword and sorcery movies, and I feared this would be a bad thing. I was sorta hopin' there might be a couple of movies coming out with good acting and smart dialogue and that sort of thing. However I never realized the studios were so insensitive to the cravings of illiterate twelve year olds. You poor disenfranchised lot, give us a hug. Support Quality Film Making! See 'Lord of the Rings' for the seventy third time! Merry Christmas and God Bless Us Everyone!
Just a question for all of you...... by SLASH0723	Mar 26th, 2002 03:37:58 AM
Does anyone here know when the DVD for LOTR: FOTR is coming out? I know it is being announced on Tuesday, but the wait is killing me. PLEASE HELP!
to Grabage and Ryalto by Mithril	Mar 26th, 2002 03:54:17 AM
First of all, Ryalto: hah! PJ has himself stated time and time again that TTT will focus mostly on Sam, Frodo and Gollum as well as Faramir: three hobbits and one man. Not to mention of course Merry and Pippin's adventures and meeting the ents and stuff. Oh yeah, PJ is sooo "ignoring the hobbits" and focusing on the humans... Please! *Grabage: Elladan and Elrohir were in the first film (though they were not mentioned in the end credits). They are at the Council in Rivendell. You can see both of them (dark hair, very similar to Elrond, acting very "joined at the hip", sitting between Aragorn and Elrond, taking part in the argument) clear as day. So they may very well be the ones who bring the standard to Aragorn. We'll just have to wait and see. *Oh, and I really want to see Legolas go all "ginsu knives of death"! Woohoo! Double-bladed action, cool.
So Moriarty... by Yahweh69	Mar 26th, 2002 03:56:44 AM
Why don't you ban ELFKILLER? You seem to have a thing for banning people. He's abusive. He's rude. He comes here to make trouble. But NO... If I know your habits McWeeny, you'll ban my sorry ass and let Elfkiller run rampant on the Talkbacks. Talkback justice is misguided! All those who were unjustly banned, I call upon you to mutiny and throw captain McWeeny and his loyal crewmates overboard in a little tiny raft! WATCH all those who see this post! I will be gone in a matter of hours! I will be deleted! Moriarty is MAD with POWER! Don't challenge him, or he'll ban you too! It's all that repressed anger over being BANNED FROM THE RANCH that makes him toss people from Talkback without a care in the world! They don't call him "Moriarty" for nothing! He's the evil nemesis..! I will go down swinging! Hah! Yah! Whiff! Pow!
I can't wait - more CGI orcs by Starbuck1975	Mar 26th, 2002 03:59:16 AM
Oh the battle of Helm's Deep sounds so intense. Thousands of CGI orcs, with a few costumed actors in the foreground, filmed so dark you can hardly tell what is going on...camera shaking and panning so much, you can't even take in the few discernable details. Gratuitous CGI effects that must be cool because it has never been done before. PLEASE. Give me the battlefields of Braveheart. Real actors, no CGI, and filmed so you can actually get a feel for what is going on in the battle. WETA would impress me if they actually did something visually unique and ingenuous, like ILM twenty years ago. Instead they are just another ILM clone effects house, turning live action movies into CGI animated cartoons.
LOTR Pt. 2 Preview on KCBS 2 in LA by SonnyChiba	Mar 26th, 2002 06:23:26 AM
Just saw a tv spot for a preview scoop look at LOTR Two Towers, possibly the trailer? on KCBS Morning News program in Los Angeles. Check it out ... http://www.cbs2.com
TEST by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 26th, 2002 07:25:26 AM
Just seeing where this lands
Wooden Spoon Awards by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 26th, 2002 07:46:31 AM
Laydeez and Genitalmen, I hereby inaugurate: THE AICN GOLDEN TROLL AWARDS! (APPLAUSE) Okay, first category: MOST RELENTLESS WACKO. And the nominees are: Linda whatserface (psycho parent); ElfkillerXXX (closet turdburglar); ZombieHunter (crackpot theorist). Place yer votes. Next up, MOST PREDICTABLE DORK. Step forward MrLimey (one joke, Wokka! Wokka!); Pud (getting cramped in that closet?); elfkiller (what a star!). AND NOW, THE COVETED "TOP TROLL"; the nominees are : Mercier, Mercier and Mercier! WHIP-TASH! (I gotta get back to work).
Starbuck1975 - you'll get your wish, clueless one. by minderbinder	Mar 26th, 2002 09:07:08 AM
Actually, you WILL see thousands of extras at Helms Deep. They hired the new zealand army and put them in costume, supposedly five thousand extras for HD, twenty thousand total for the trilogy. Sure, you'll have a few CGI fighters behind the THOUSANDS OF REAL HUMANS, but hey what do you expect? As for the "all-cgi" battles? I think maybe you're getting confused with some other fantasy/scifi sequel.
Where in the UK? by Col._Nicholson	Mar 26th, 2002 09:11:05 AM
Is this going to be shown at all UK cinema chains still showing FOTR, or just some? I don't mind rewatching the film, but I have no wish to be disapointed if the bloody trailer doesn't appear at the end. Oh and I thought 'Gosford Park' deserved to win. 'twas way better than that 'Beautiful Mind' shite, and marginally better than FOTR.
Trailer in UK cinemas by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 26th, 2002 09:15:21 AM
Warner village are confirmed from Thursday, if you've got Odeon, UCI or an independent, best call.
One teaser to rule them all. by rabid_republican	Mar 26th, 2002 09:43:43 AM
That was a very detailed set up from Harry. My only regret is I'll have to wait until probably Saturday to see it. To say I'm looking forward to this is an understatement of massive proportions. Although I have not placed LOTR on as high plateau as others (nor has the Academy, it would seem...as I predicted) I still consider it masterpiece, more than worthy of what will be my third viewing.
EXCLUSIVE SNEAK< I HAVE SEEN A ROUGH CUT OF TT AND PETER JACKSON by Sabretooth1974	Mar 26th, 2002 09:45:25 AM
It starts off with Frodo and Sam lost behind enemy lines looking for Private Hobbit who's brothers were all killed in the battle of helm's Deep. Aragorn is questioning his sexuality after an afair with Legolas, that he was encouraged to have after some wring wraiths talked him into researching a conspiracy by the Dwarves to take over Lothlorien, but it turns out that he was just imagining the wraiths and they were never there at all. Peter also cut some racist remarks Aragorn made about Dwarves in order to make Aragorn more appealing to the little person demographic for best actor voting. Meanwhile Lurtz's long lost brother turns out to be a dirty cop on the Isengard city watch, who is trying to frame his new partner, an elf. Not his best acting job to date, but Orcs have had a hard time getting oscar nominations before, so he should get it as a pity gesture. Elrond reveals that he is gay and has aids, and has to sue to be kept on the high council, and to keep custody of his daughter, Galadriel will represent him as his cynical, jaded lawyer who learns to look at life in a more caring light by the end. The rest of it involves some quest for the meaning of life and a lot of pretentious art house B.S about the true value of self in a complex society.
OH.... HELL... YEAH!!! by Pallando Blue	Mar 26th, 2002 09:56:21 AM
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin 'bout! Hmmm... may have to come down with some kind of cold, skip work and catch a noon show... then again that night, when the hoi polloi shake their office shackles... Let em see the same look of dazed wonder they saw on my face last December.... HO HO HO YEAH! Tailenders, I'll get backatcha when there's a Tail End! Much to discuss! But not with the riff-raff that's currently stinkin up the joint. See ya! ...."like a moving Frazetta..." oh my dear lord in heavens to betsy and mergatroid....
Hobbit Walking Holidays in Ithilien! Book now! by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 26th, 2002 09:57:14 AM
Morgy - well, hello there! I've just about recovered from staying up till dawn to watch the Oscars and I've got to chime in with your remarks about the Frodo and Co. walking thing being boring. To me it's my favourite bit in my favourite of the books. I can kind of take or leave the battles - I love'em, but I love beleaguered Frodo and Sam/Gollum kvetching even more. And Faramir is cool. And played by "the most beautiful man in the world", no less. This is all so FUCKING COOL! Sorry... I was channelling Harry for a minute there. Well, day after tomorrow I get to see it, which is awesome. Question: with the PG rating and all, who thinks we're going to see a rain of severed, branded heads getting catapulted into Minas Tirith in ROTK? I mean, this is Peter Jackson we're talking about, after all. If he had to leave that bit out he'd probably have a coronary and die.
Whateva'! Oh and filmnazi fu with a rusty pipe! by Brooklyn Bred	Mar 26th, 2002 11:01:16 AM
LOTR sucked. It was long and boring. Okay I'll agree Blade must have Krazy glued his shades to his face for that last battle but regardless it was a helluva' lot more entertaining than watching those gay ass Hobbits in that weak ass flick!
LOTR is more cartoony then TPM by Starbuck1975	Mar 26th, 2002 11:17:21 AM
All I know is the opening scene to LOTR, with the battle on the slopes of MT. Doom, was so over CGI as to be rendered totally unrealistic and cartoony. The swarms of orcs charging the elf line, with two or three elves in the front bringing their halbierds to bear, followed by Sauron playing cricket with the rank and file of the alliance...all so over the top with eye candy that you couldn't tell what the hell was going on unless you already knew the back story that Jackson glossed over in favor of pretty special effects.
Teaser is playing in Sweden by sezzy_boy	Mar 26th, 2002 11:22:19 AM
I emailed SF and they confirmed that the teaser is playing from friday in swedish cinemas too.
Brooklyn Bred and Starbuck by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 26th, 2002 11:42:44 AM
Nicely done fellas, you've just illustrated side by side the two opposite poles of genre fans who didn't like LOTR. BB wants a shorter, flashier film with more guns and tits and blood, SB75 wants more depth, back story, character development, and for all I know a good old knees-up with Tom Bombadil. So this proves that PJ had to try and achieve a middle ground with opposite extremes of the attention span. Since this was never going to be a low budget indie flick, to be a success it had to coin in as much cash as possible. Let's not kid ourselves that mainstream films are made for any other reason. I'll stand by my previous remark, this and Harry Potter were the "event" flicks of 2001, the ones everyone went to see. Mission accomplished, and with the box office to match the widespread critical acclaim. Guess you boys just didn't fit the profile. It's okay, I was disappointed by Crouching Tiger.
Mind you by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 26th, 2002 11:46:48 AM
There's nothing wrong with guns and tits and blood, but you don't go to an Ingmar Bergman retro expecting Faster Pussycat.
The Truth Of A Nation by Cardiff Giant	Mar 26th, 2002 12:22:28 PM
I just wanted to be the 1,000,000th person to say: LOTR blows! Star Wars rules! This has truly been an honor.
Fools for delaying Shelob and Frodo's death for RotK! by Drath	Mar 26th, 2002 12:50:47 PM
The last battle of the Two Towers is Sam and Frodo against Shelob, ending with what should be one of the most powerful emotional moments in the series, when Frodo...well, "dies" by Shelob's poison. It's as powerful as Gandalf at Khazad-Dum, but they're putting in the Return of the King because "Frodo and Sam wouldn't have much to do in the last film otherwise." BULLSHIT! The drama of such a powerful scene is deflated at the BEGINNING of a film. That's like putting Han and Leia's farewell in Empire Strikes Back at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. You lose the momentum of the last several hours of storytelling. And there'd still be plenty for the Hobbits to do. There's still the escape from the tower, Mount Doom, and then there's the Scowering of the Shire--which PJ should go back and film(he says it was cut from the script) as it is the ultimate blow, the war comes home, the equivalent of British soldiers coming back from the war in Europe to find their homes bombed by the air raids. Nothing escaped the War of the Ring unchanged, everything was wounded and everything needs to heal. And to make up for leaving out what shouldn't have been taken out in the first place, they've removed one of the Two Towers's finest moments?! VETO! They showed so much intelligence when they moved Boromir's death into Fellowship instead of starting the Two Towers with it. That was smart thinking as his death at the end of the adventure was perfect, while his death at the beginning of another adventure is, well, off-putting(remember how bad it was when the survivors of Aliens are all killed at the beginning of Alien 3). So why are they messing up this ending/beginning?! They even make it work by having Galadriel(who wasn't in the book) say Frodo won't survive his quest! It's perfect foreshadowing, but it won't work if Frodo doesn't--well you'll see--at the end of the same film! DAMMIT!
I think the "two towers" could refer to by Drath	Mar 26th, 2002 01:06:28 PM
the two villains of the book, Saruman and Sauron, as they are the forces that the two groups of heroes are each working to defeat. Gandalf and company are going after Saruman in the tower of Orthanc, while Sam and Frodo are striving to reach Mount Doom to destroy the ring, thus defeating Sauron--whose tower is Minas Morgul. It's vague, it's not the best title(insert Attack of the Clones comment here), and it's probably the hardest narrative to adapt of the triology(the book has two halves, the fist dealing only with Aragorn, Gandalf, Theoden, Pippin and Merry etc, and the second dealing only with Frodo and Sam, Gollum and their journey through Mordor). I still think moving Shelob to Return of the King is a bad call though.
elfboy by HIS_BIGNESS	Mar 26th, 2002 01:46:22 PM
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I'M STILL WAITING by europop	Mar 26th, 2002 02:00:30 PM
I see none of the bashers have tried to answer my last post, are they admitting defeat? I'll repeat it here and give them another chance: *************** --- "You can always tell crappy visual effects because they hide them in darkness." --- This is what a LOTR basher said in the oscar thread, and it's been said by other bashers too. This is the lamest attempt at criticism I've ever seen. Imagine, if you will, a LOTR FX guy: "So what do we do about the effects in Moria? Do we make Moria into a place of light so that it doesn't seem like we're trying to hide the effects? Or do we spend extra time and money making the effects photorealistic, even though the setting is too dark to see anything in that much detail? Erm, Peter, why are you firing me?!!" --------- Also, you've got to love the "FOTR only got 4 technical awards proving it's a failure" drivel. LOL LOL LOL! How sad!! So I guess recent classics like The Shawshank Redemption or L.A. Confidential are crap too right? RIGHT? I hope LOTRs continued success causes all you bashers much pain and frustration over the coming years.
"Two Towers" story structure by Carson Dyle	Mar 26th, 2002 03:02:08 PM
I think P. Jackson and company know what they're doing when it comes to adapting very difficult material to the screen. Structurally, "The Two Towers" is much more cinematic than "Fellowship" thanks to the more easily compressed time-frame (it should be reletively easy to intercut Frodo and Sam's journey with the battlefield adventures of Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Theoden, etc. Climax-wise, "The Two Towers" will no doubt end with the death of Saruman and Wormtongue -- a major victory for our heroes -- but one undercut by the looming danger of Sam and Frodo being lead into a trap by Gollum.
Another Tower of Babble by sidneyreilly	Mar 26th, 2002 03:59:59 PM
To folks who enjoyed FOTR, it sounds like a montage of satisfying images that will have to do until the DVD's come out. I don't mind PJ tacking a trailer onto the end of the film after release. FOTR is still one of the best things out there. Worth at least a second look. Will AOTC kick FOTR's ass? I hope so. If there's a notch up from FOTR, I'd like to see it. Trouble is, a notch up these days means everything looks like THE MATRIX without the story. Thank goodness, FOTR has a story. One worth three movies. (What is it now, three battle stations in four movies?)
drath i so totally agree with you by eruve	Mar 26th, 2002 06:13:46 PM
grabage and ryalto too. the trailer has more WORRIED, not enthused. many of the folks here are fans of the first film and don't know the books but... god. do not cut sam and frodo for ARWEN scenes. oh no. in this whole trailer we get just one short itsy bitsy glimpse of frodo? oooh nooooooooooo. if he does that he will not only upset fans of the book, but the fans he's created in the first film. frodo was the heart of that film and is the heart of the book, you diminish that and you ruin it. i am more worried then i was before FOTR came out, and that's saying something. i'm more worried because he really showed the heart in that one. yes, sam/frodo/gollum are going to be more difficult but he's the one who took the damn project on. he has to come up with the solution that makes this work. drath i so agree with you about moving shelob and the effectiveness of boromir's death is good reason WHY one wouldn't want to move it in the film. ugh... maybe he fears its TOO MUCH of a cliff hanger???? maybe what he has on film is so powerful that people will riot because it ends w/o resolution? god i am so damn worried now
I guess I'm not cool at all. by Vegas	Mar 26th, 2002 06:37:38 PM
As I will be watching PANIC ROOM, DEATH TO SMOOCHY, and even THE ROOKIE before I pay 7.50 to see a movie I've already seen twice.
TTT trailer by lothloriendiva	Mar 26th, 2002 10:21:02 PM
omg...peeps please!LOL minas morgul and barad-dur are one and the same and the towers are orthanc and barad-dur,get it?the unholy alliance between the two???and all you fotr bashers...get over it....we rule this world!!!ya need to read more anyway so u may as well embrace the union of tolkienites!!! and to harry and mori....THANK YOU!!!!as i have been jonzin' to see this 4 minutes of footage terribly,and not to mention a chance to see fotr yet AGAIN,u have injected me w/ a heavy drug dose and yet i still crave more!harry ,my luv,plz plug pj's ear and ask him to include that 4 minutes of footage into one of the fotr dvds also:) so it will tide us addicts over til dec.18th....thanx for feeding my addiction,harry,tell ejw i send my love and gratitude...and harry??call me :)
correction for lothloriendiva by Psychopompous	Mar 26th, 2002 10:40:36 PM
Minas Morgul and Barad-Dur are not one and the same. Barad-Dur is the stronghold of Sauron, located within Mordor. Minas Morgul is the former Minas Ithil, the city inhabited by the Ringwraiths. As for the Two Towers issue, Tolkien did not name the book and himself says in one of his letters that it is open for interpretation. However, he does go on to say that it would most likely refer to Orthanc and Cirith Ungol. Regardless, it isn't set in stone and so PJ is really welcome to do whatever he chooses in terms of interpreting the title..
the real spoiler by oblivi	Mar 27th, 2002 08:37:12 AM
i em a fan of LOTR trilogy and cant wait for the other movies.however im not mad that harry has posted what he has scene because the real spoiler is the actual toilken books and not the review.if everyone who hasnt read the books and has seen the movies is upset that there day to see the new footage is spoiled go read the books and find out what else happens.and for those of you that have seen the movies and havent read the books and cant wait for the next two movies go to your favorite book store and buy paper back versions of the TTT and ROTK those two books are the cost of ONE ticket to a movie here in NYC....so everyone who is chopping at the bit to find out what happens next to frodo and the boys do what people did before t.v. and movies and READ.....anyway a real spoiler would tell how the entire trilogy ends...............thats for you haters
It's gone quiet... by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 27th, 2002 09:29:25 AM
And I've just found out my Warner Village is still showing, but at 5.30 only, which means leaving burning tyre tracks on the M6 if I want to catch it after work. Maybe I'll leave it til Monday. oblivi - read books? What a revolutionary idea, but I think that natural selection has already damaged too many people's attention span. Or else they get all up themselves because the film isn't just like the pictures in their woodentop heads.
According to theonering.net...... by Praetor	Mar 27th, 2002 09:31:33 AM
There will be a TEN minute preview of the Two Towers on both DVD releases this year ( out Aug 6 and Nov 12 respectively ).
"The Definitely More Than One But Probably Less Than Eight Tower by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 27th, 2002 02:27:48 PM
I've never been able to get my towers straight. I've never been able to work out where Minas Morgul actually is to my satisfaction, but never mind. Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you, tomorrow, you're only a da-a-ay away... Yay! I suppose this will be the last gasp before the hype machine shuts down till later this year. Sigh. Oh well, it's been a ride...
I hate to be such a bloody namedropper... by Pallando Blue	Mar 27th, 2002 06:41:26 PM
But, hell, I ain't used to this. I've been having a great back and forth with Costa Botes the past week, via e-mail. Unfreakingbeleivable. His reply to my first reply began, "Jeez, I don't write form letters!" So, having established that this was, indeed, the cowriter/director of Forgotten Silver and director/producer of the upcoming LOTR docos, I promptly changed my shorts >ahem< and began to pretend to be somewhat civilized and marginally intelligent (with moderate if inconsistent success if I do say so myself). It's been very frank, friendly, and casual, which in itself floors me. A great guy. Sorry, not a lot of inside dope to pass along, though. Or any, really. BUT, I thought I should tell y'all that, on SOMEone's suggestion, I "formally" sent a Congratulations to the whole LOTR group, on behalf of the AICN Tolkien Tailenders. ("Yay!") And then, being terribly bored this afternoon, also went into lengthy detail describing to our bizarrely formed, unique little cabal in the AICN wilderness. ("Oh, shit.") Didn't name names ("Whew!"), just laid out where we hang out and how the hell we happened ("Why?"). Hey, they oughta know where to find us! Right? Like I described us, we're a nomadic community, really, with no formal address. Changing from week to week, drifting with the News... Rings TBs our buffalo... AHEM. Anyway, wanted to tell y'all that, even though Harry probably doesn't even know we exist, A Very Important Someone On The Inside NOW DOES! ...Of course, I may just find that whole prospect embarrassing in the morning. :~)
I saw by Darth Melkor	Mar 27th, 2002 06:50:12 PM
The Helm's Deep shot looked awesome. A lot like the opening shot of the first film with the thousands of troops.
Where are the people who said... by LordDark	Mar 27th, 2002 07:05:02 PM
That Fellowship of the Ring was going to tank at the box office? Or those people who said it would only make just over 100 million in the North American Market? Stand up and be counted so we can take notice of you. Check out boxofficemjo.com. Fellowship has made a smack load. We're talking 800million so far world wide with more legs to come, especially after the added TT preview and DVD's come out.
Numenorean Mojo or Lack Thereof (SPOILERS AHOY!) by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 27th, 2002 07:36:48 PM
I'm with Bjarki on this one, guys. I don't believe that anyone is sending out any kind of mind trick, Jedi or otherwise. That's not to say that Gandy doesn't know where the two runts are (he's able to tell Aragorn and Co. that they've met up with someone when he runs into them). People do have dreams and premonitions - but I seem to remember that dreams and premonitions are handled by whichever Valar Gandalf serves (is that Manwe? The Silmarillion was a long time ago for me) (hence Frodo gets some nice dreams while in Mordor). So, in a very roundabout way, morGy could be right. On the other hand, personal power in LOTR tends to be centered around the notion of will, or having a powerful personality, and Aragorn certainly qualifies. His thought could send out ripples that affect others. But that wasn't what I picked up from reading the text, which admittedly was a good few months ago now. But ix-nay on any Jedi mind tricks in the movie, please. For the record, I think it was a smart move to jettison Gandalf's interference on the Amon Hen. Oh, and morGoth, do forgive me for misinterpreting you! There is a kind of division amongst some fans "More battles!", "More Ring angst and Sam!", "More battles!", "More Ring angst and Sam!" in a kind of a "Tastes great!" "More filling!" sort of a style.
Dagnabbit! by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 27th, 2002 07:42:09 PM
Missed the trailer during Teachers on Channel 4 cos I was making tea. Girlfriend not so keen on another viewing so will have to go alone, Billy No-mates style. By the way, if anyone fancies attacking the old chestnut of allegory in LOTR, go and respond to KerriBerri in the previous TB. *** I always figured those premonitions and visions were Eru keeping his hand in, since JRRT decided to keep divine intervention nicely subdued after Ainulindale. bjarki, you probably have a viewpoint on that.
Oh, and Pallando... by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 27th, 2002 07:45:23 PM
How cool are you? Wow... and did anyone see that thing about the SE DVD being R-rated? Just when I got my hopes all dashed - I definitely need to buy a DVD player.
blast! by hildebrand	Mar 27th, 2002 08:24:34 PM
Well, I am officially not in a good mood, LOTR wise, that is. The theatres in my area, which have kept LOTR on at least on screen in two different screens, are both rotating LOTR out of the line up, starting (wait for it) THIS FRIDAY!!! What dreadful luck. So, for those who get to go see the additional footage, enjoy. I am envious though.
R-rated by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 27th, 2002 08:36:02 PM
I assume that means 18 in region 2. There's a full write-up of disc contents on darkhorizons. Friends of mine have already admitted that the FOTR release will finally sway them into buying a DVD player. Sony oughta give New Line some backhanders.
I wuz sittin' here talkin' to Ol' Toby.... by Skyway Moaters	Mar 27th, 2002 10:09:18 PM
... and it occurred to me, whacked me in th' haid like a swift sunrise after a restless night, or if you prefer, the "light bulb came on" and the countenance of idiot realization shone upon my muddled pate: They pulled it off!! Hell, in many ways it's a triumph. Say what you will about details, it isn't perfect, what is? But I can't remember any film in a LONG time that took such highflying risks. And I'm not talking financially... I mean artistically and cinematically. And well.. the whole thing WAS an huge financial risk, but I think that only makes LOTR even more miraculous. LOTR has exceeded wildest expectations. I'm not exactly sure what triggered this revelation, could have been an Enya song on the radio, I just don't know. For a non Tolkienoid, this may seem an absurd thing to call a "REVELATION", but you have to understand how pessimistic I and I dare say many other people who were/are extensive readers of the dear professor
Awsome play by play Harry! by Skyway Moaters	Mar 27th, 2002 11:06:50 PM
... you had me cheering, laughing, grinning like a maniac. You missed your calling son, your descriptions are great here! Err, umm, did you write this?....Ha ha JUST KIDDING! No seriously, great read. {;-0
Holy crapola Pollando you nasssty oolld names dropperrrrssssss!! by Skyway Moaters	Mar 27th, 2002 11:26:35 PM
What Have ye done man ? Are ye Daft?! No I'm kidding again. it's really pretty damn' cool to comptemplate that people actually involved with the making of LOTR could possibly hear of such an obscure group as "The AICN Tail End Talkbackers" (who christened us thus anyway?). What a world the web has turned our planet into. Amazing. And if they hear of the "group" what's to prevent them from checking out these pages looking especially for signs of our existence instead of just taking in the general hubbub as they have in the past? (Duh.. NOTHING!) That's assuming that there indeed were any "bonifide" posts from people involved with the production, I have my doubts. Anyway... EGAD!!! Thats... STUPID! What a dumb idea, it'll never happen. (?) hmmm....
Life is sweet! by BG	Mar 27th, 2002 11:55:57 PM
This is so cool! Can't wait to see the new preview, and now the news about the DVD release has me happier than a very happy man who has something to be especially happy about! Pallando- well done! If you play your cards right you could weasel your way into the confidence of the LOTR inner circle! We (the tailenders) could finally fulfill our dream of having a man on the 'inside' (instead of just me pretending to be PJ). Keep us posted! MorGy- I agree with previous posters that visions and premonitions are pretty much par for the course in Middle Earth. Of course, It may just be Pippin's subconscious playing tricks on him ;-)
Third time lucky by wilko185	Mar 28th, 2002 06:07:16 AM
hree LOTR TBs on the front page, I guess this is going to be the tailend one, right? _____ Pallando, that is so damn cool, and you know it :). Keep us informed, though obviously don't press the guy for juicy gossip (too much). ______ Re Pippin's vision of Aragorn, I go with the "naturally"-occurring dreams and visions angle, though "natural" could easily be given a more directed, quasi-religious interpretation (eg it's fairly clear to me that Boromir/Faramir's prophetic dream "seek for the sword that was broken..." must have been "sent", by the Valar or Eru). I don't see it as an intentional act on Aragorn's part, but arising as a natural consequence of who he is and what he represents. Such visions and premonitions will surround him. It would lessen the story if he were directly aware of them, though, or if he knew that Pippin was aware of him, or was even alive for that matter. (Similarly, Gandalf is surprised at the Council when Frodo told him he had a dream showing Gandalf on Orthanc. Dreams, premonitions and visions have to be interpreted with great care, and their importance often only becomes clear with hindsight). ___ That is not the first time the hobbits see visions of the Dunedain: ________ "'Few now remember them,' Tom murmured, 'yet still some go wandering, sons of forgotten kings walking in loneliness, guarding from evil things folk that are heedless.' _ The hobbits did not understand his words, but as he spoke they had a vision as it were of a great expanse of years behind them, like a vast shadowy plain over which there strode shapes of Men, tall and grim with bright swords, and last came one with a star on his brow. Then the vision faded, and they were back in the sunlit world." _______ This vision was not sent by any particular person in Middle Earth, but it contains an external truth nonetheless.
bjarki, morGoth and everyone else... by Mithril	Mar 28th, 2002 07:38:54 AM
Just have to put my two words in. Well, actually more than two, but you get the point. I do think that the image in Pippin's head is just a symbol of his hope and his faith in Aragorn and his skills. However, both Gandalf and Aragorn certainly have the power to send that kind of sign to him, whether consciously (Gandalf) or unconsciously (Aragorn at this point). And bjarki, I don't think using people like Faramir as an example of "ordinary people" getting visions is that good. After all, Faramir was a student of Gandalf's and also possessed great mental powers due to his ancestry as well. He combined the forces of his father (who could know things about distant places and people even without the palantir he used - which by the way demands great power in itself) and the blood of Numenor and the old kings, so he really is quite powerful and could very well have the dreams and visions he has because of this. Of course, Faramir and Aragorn are mentioned in ROTK to be the closest anyone in their time comes to the old kings, so maybe their similarities run into their mental powers as well. ***Oh, and travelling 4 hours this saturday to see FOTR with the added footage. Woohoo! Will have to look out for Gil-galad this time, morGoth! Sixth time's the charm...
Damn, skipping work not an option! by Pallando Blue	Mar 28th, 2002 11:50:06 AM
Arrrgh, a sudden case of "the wink-nudge flu" has been ruled out by circumstances beyond my control. Now I have to wait until the evening show tomorrow night like the rest of the working world! How? HOW? ...And, I gotta say, twice last night I'm pretty sure I just... missed... seeing the TV-released clips. Heard something like "Rings" or "Towers" or "new footage" on the TV, came dashing back in from the kitchen, just to see the talking head saying "and that'll be in the theaters this Friday! Exciting stuff. Back to you, Nancy!" I swear, twice, in similar fashion. ARRRGH AGAIN! *** You know, I hope I didn't scare the poor man off. There we were talking Forgotten Silver, New Zealand reactions to the Oscars, Altman's crankiness, and then I go all Rabid Internet "We're Your Biggest Fanboys!" on him... Well, I don't think I came off like that. And they did all hang with the TORN party Sunday night, so fans are fun for em... I just wanted to get the Congrats off, on the Week Of, while it's still timely, ya know? But, yep, I did lay out just how to find us when the Tail Ends fall off the board. So watch your language! ;~D
Morgoth's query by ArPharazon	Mar 28th, 2002 02:52:13 PM
I think JRRT used "visions" to give the reader foreshadowing of upcoming or concurrent events in the book. I don't know if any entity has a hand in the "visions." For example, when Frodo told Gandalf he had a dream of Gandalf trapped on the pinnacle of Orthanc, Gandlaf looked quite surprised. Frodo had a similar foreshadowing dream of the Undying Lands in Bombadil's house. I'm sure there are other examples. It's fun to guess who put the vision in who's head, but I'm not sure even JRRT knew who, if anyone, was behind the visions. Personally, I like to think it is Gandalf subconsciously placing these visions. In other words, I Gandalf doesn't even know he's doing it. This would explain Gandalf's surprise at Frodo's dream. Gandalf can battle or perceive many things with his "thought", such as Frodo's near-miss on the Emyn Muil. Also, don't forget, Gandalf's true being, Oloron (whose ture nature and power is veiled even from Gandalf, his Avatar) was a Maia of Lorien, the master of dreams. JRRT even wrote Oloron often was invisible and prompted elves and men to good deeds with dreams and visions. So, Morgy, how do you like this answer: it's Gandalf, but Gandalf doesn't know he's doing it.
Two Towers Trailer by Wong	Mar 28th, 2002 03:59:00 PM
Hey, folks, the trailer for Two Towers will be at the end of the picture, not on the begining!
Gandalf left a Cleveland steamer on Harry's chest? by Det. John Kimble	Mar 28th, 2002 04:18:05 PM
Did I read that right?
DENIED!!! by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 28th, 2002 06:02:28 PM
Well, it didn't happen today, and what's more, the reel hadn't come in anywhere near me, so it may not be happening tomorrow. Goddammit! DENIED!
What the... by stumpeyjoe	Mar 28th, 2002 07:48:29 PM
Are the posts, from Morgoth and garbage, I read correct? No sons of Elrond in TTT, Arwen walking the paths of the dead?? An elf brigade??? I going to have a heart attack. I cannot bellieve that anyone else who calls themselves a Tolkien fan isn't recoiling from this. This in itself invalidates the principle of the fellowship made up of each race to strive against the dark powers. Why have a fellowship. Old Pete could have wrapped this up in one movie by having gandalf lead a Hobbit army to Gorgoroth and arm wrestle with Sauron for Middle Earth. What no cirith Ungol!!?? First there was no Bombadil to pull the hobbits and swords out of the barrow wights tomb. And then worse no Gil-Galad revealled in full glory to the ring bearer and wraiths . This substituted for Arwen?? just to grind into the populaces minds that there is a love interest bewteen she and Aragorn. And now I hear that there is no Cirith Ungol in The Two Towers!!!!?? This is to much. I ask you: Did Peter Jackson read the books?? Yes FOTR was entertaining visually but, as a fan of Tolkien's work, it doesn't compare to the book. What is next for The Two Towers, Bilbo finds true love as Eowyn discovers that Aragorn has been seeing some elf winch behind her back and realizes that the ring bearer is the one for her. She is also instrumental in helping Frodo find a secret tunnel that will lead them right to mount doom, thus bypassing Cirith Ungol altogether. And with the help of a small band of orphan children living forgotten close to mount doom, Frodo finds the help he needs to cast the ring away. Peter Jackson how could you.
Sounds great! by JMYoda	Mar 28th, 2002 08:26:41 PM
Of all three books 'The Two Towers'is my favorite (I always love second acts) But what is Arwen doing in TTT? She's not in the book. I hope it's just a cameo of some sort not a major change. Reading the books I always wished Aragorn would hook up with Eowyn who A) Has the hots for him and B) is way hotter then Arwen. I mean she takes on the Nazgul King! Man Nov won't get here fast enough! First the great AOTC score and now this! I think I'm gonna wet myself! :-D
stumpeyjoe by Buck Teeth Soh	Mar 28th, 2002 10:22:25 PM
If Peter Jackson had made a 100% faithful adaptation, it would have tanked. No modern audience would be able to swallow Tom Bombadil with his ring-a-ding-dillos, and no modern audience is going to accept a female romantic lead who spends 9 hours of cinema staying at home with her embroidery. Likewise, cutting excess characters is a necessary narrative technique if you're trying to reach a broad audience. There are two extremes of detractors; the ones who think its long, boring and slow, and the ones who think Jackson sold out and made an action movie. They can't both be right. When you compare Fellowship to equivalent adaptations from book to screen, its actually impressive how much Pete 'n' Fran managed to keep IN.
Giving Eowyn the brush off... by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 29th, 2002 07:01:24 AM
Someone else said it best (damned if I can remember who) when they said that Arwen's part had to be extended because otherwise regular moviegoing non-Tolkien-whores are going to be really pissed off when he blows out Eowyn for her. Cos Eowyn is pretty fucking cool. That said, I'm still a bit pissed off myself that she stole Frodo's thunder in the flight to the ford, but the rest of the movie goes some way towards mollifying me. Elanor, was it you talking about visions and dreams? Sorry, I've a memory like a sieve and it's quite annoying that you can't actually see the message you're replying to when you reply to it, but then I bitch about everything. In any case, I don't have a problem particularly with Arwen carrying the standard to Aragorn instead of her brothers, considering she sewed the damn thing herself. I wouldn't trust semi-magical banners to either of my brothers. It's pretty much standard movie character consolidation. I may possibly have a problem if this is extended much further than that, cos the books are pretty definite in what everybody does and some other character would have to lose out to enlarge her part. In any case, I agree it was a bummer to lose out on the barrow wight, but then it did mean there was no Tom Bombadil, and am I the only chick in the house that is 100% happy about that?
Not bashing but... by NoDecafPlz	Mar 29th, 2002 10:12:13 AM
LOTR came across as if five-star, quality movie trailers were sewn together. The analogy I give is a slide show with premium slides. I feel that with an epic, it is ok to have a narration throughout the whole movie. As proved in Dune, full movie narration helps people understand how scenes are bridged together when there is only so much time alloted. LOTR succeeded in the realm of beautiful cinematography, but failed in the catagory of seamless story transition. Joe
Hmmm... by Conan_the_Humble	Mar 29th, 2002 11:34:40 AM
Very interesting little tailend TB here. First things first however, I saw the preview/trailer today, (approx 8 hours ago) and loved it. I also saw the film for the 5th (and probably last) time at the Cinema's. I still think it's great, I, like possibly everyone -else have problems with it, but hey, you know the old saying, "you can't please everyone," blah blah blah. Harry, excellent ('Monty Burns' finger - waving inserted here, you know what I'm talking about!) review! I've been rather unimpressed with you since that Blade 2 Rubbish, however you have redeemed yourself in my eyes. MorGy, good question as per usual... I'd have to state if asked, that it was probably Gandalf. I read another TBer back a bit and I didn't mind his whole, Gandalf sending these messages unconsciously bit. That seemed to make some sense in my, admittedly inebriated (please don't mind my speeling et cetera) state. I'm also glad to see that downunder here, we are getting the Preview at the same time as everyone else. If we could only convince New line to release TTT at the same time everywhere, I'd be one happy chappy. Cheers
Two Towers Preview - holy shit!!!!!!! by Earendil	Mar 29th, 2002 01:59:36 PM
Harry, just seen it this afternoon at the Odeon in Leicester Square. Your commentary/review was spot on. This is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!! to all: YOU MUST SEE THIS ASAP!!!!!!!!!! TTT looks even better than FOTR and I would have sworn on my copy of the One Ring that this was NOT possible..... I only have one question....WHEN AND WHERE CAN WE DOWNLOAD IT?? :~) this is to PJ - THANKUTHANKUTHANKUTHANKU!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Earendil
misc. thoughts by hildebrand	Mar 29th, 2002 03:00:23 PM
First, to the poster who thought that Dune represented a faithful representation of the book: EEEEK! Sorry, but the movie version was so bad that my mother walked out of it. She loved the Dune books, did not go to many movies, but thought that she would go along with me when I decided to go see it. She is not the harumphy type, not at all. I did not know the books nearly as well, and about 15 mins. in she began to comment about chronology. Toward the end she said that she had quite enough of the nonsense and decided to read a book in the lobby until the movie was finished. I told her how it ended and she simply grimaced. Not good. ***For those who you who will see the added footage this weekend I am envious. Our local theatres both decided to pull LOTR this weekend. Yep, the day they get the new footage is the day they are gone. Such good timing. Bah, will need to drive at least 2.5 hours to see it now. *Old Man Willow and the Ents. I believe that Treebeard comments about the Old Forest when he talks to Merry and Pippin about their homelands. I cannot remember if they talk about Old Man Willow, but they did talk about Bombadil. Which, I agree with those about keeping him out of the film. There really is no way to keep him in the story and maintain the forward progression of a movie storyline. Plus, he is a bit, hmmm, how to say this - odd, wacky, off. Good in a book, not so in a movie. He and Goldberry would have come at about the first hour mark probably, would have zonked out quite a few folks, no matter how you did the Barrow Wights, as they are pretty late in that act. Tom would have sent the non-Tolkien fans sniggering to the popcorn stand wondering what the hell this guy had to do with the story.*Finally, the amalgamation of characters - it works just fine. Having Arwen stand in as the elves representative is a good thing, gives them someone in addition to Legolas. Also, it will help that she had been around the story when in the third movie she marries Aragorn. In the books, I always wondered why she does not have a bigger role then to wait around for Aragorn to save the world and then marry her in some drive-by scene. We may learn to agree with Legolas about her if she actually has some screen time. Not good to have a wedding in the third movie when one of the two getting married is an unknown. Plus, it certainly does not hurt to have another strong female character, as LOTR is not chock full of them. *Again, to those who get to see the additional footage. I am jealous. But have a great time anyway.
I Seed It! SPOILERS! by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 29th, 2002 03:51:54 PM
Yay! Go me! And it was... oh, it was... well, to take it to bits. For a start, it basically looks exactly like a continuation of the same movie you just watched. You would expect that of course, it being filmed at the same time, but it has the same exact sensibility and whatnot, and for some reason that really surprised me. Do not ask why, as it would seem to be common sense, but I was surprised. It was all a bit of a dreamy blur, but memorable bits - Theoden. He looks like he kicks ass. Eowyn, being cheeky and gorgeous. There was a fair bit of her. A bit of laughing swordplay with her and Aragorn, indoors somewhere, probably to establish that she can handle herself. Edoras looks great. Faramir also looked gorgeous. The standouts were Pippin and Treebeard (you see him basically sat in a tree, hugging it in a climbing type way, and then he notices that it has these big, soulful brown eyes and does a double-take. It's very cute.) The Ent eyes passed muster for me. Didn't see a mouth but they don't appear to have gone for a twee design. The battle of Helm's Deep (like the battle of the Last Alliance in the first 5 minutes of FOTR, which always blows me away) which looked awesome. Frodo complaining about the weight of the Ring and looking dusty and angsty. Cool! Arwen in various guises looking asleep or purposeful. Oh! And Gandy reappearing before the three of them! In a Saruman fashion stylee! He must have got the secret recipe for Saruman's conditioner whilst in shadow. But nice to see, though I preferred him when he was a bit tattier. Nice gleaming with holy light effect though. Saruman wittering on evilly to himself - nice shot of him looking over a railing at something that seemed to piss him off a bit. There was tons more - it was one of those moments that go on forever when you're it it, but appear to have lasted three seconds afterwards. Nitpicks: there are always some. Gollum, from the tiny bit I saw, seems to be only about 90% there - you are somewhat aware that he is not real. His voice seems to have changed a little to something a tad more natural though - I always worried a bit about his voice in FOTR because it seemed a little too electronically distorted. Wormtongue has a bit too much makeup on. As for the TB so far, Elanor appears to have ably covered the bases - I also think that first post was a spoof - and a damn good one, I must say! And now I'm spent. Oh, we wants it, we wants it, we wants it! Is Hobbitastic going to kick me in the nuts now? Tell him not to bother, I don't have any.
LOTR by Mark D	Mar 29th, 2002 04:24:49 PM
I think LOTR:FOTR Ruled, but Why couldnt they have put the preview for LOTR:TTT in the cinemas as an appetiser?
Just saw it in Austin and Harry was in the house with his girlfr by PORKY	Mar 29th, 2002 04:58:19 PM
Man, those two were going at it the whole time. Just Kidding! This was only my second viewing of LOTR and I have to say that it was even better this time. I know a lot of you have pointed this out before, but Legolas really is a badass in this movie. Ultra-Cool. Guess what? The TTT preview highlights his coolness even more than I had imagined. For that character alone, I can't wait for Christmas. Oh yeah, the rest of the preview was pretty kickin' too. Although, that treebeard stuff better be handled right or we can expect a Wizard of Oz type adaptation.
Saw it today. Wow wow wow by JacksonsBane	Mar 29th, 2002 05:36:28 PM
It was geektastic. Gandalf the White was the most memorable part. It all looks great. Roll on Christmas.
Just Saw It in Clifton.......... by spideyman1218	Mar 29th, 2002 06:40:07 PM
and I wet myself it was so good. There was definitely a new print, everything was totally clear and the sound was terrific!!
So when is New Line posting this preview on the net? by Mr.F.N.Sunshine	Mar 29th, 2002 07:39:44 PM
Because I went to see it today and the theatre I went to didn't add the TTT preview. The Bridge in Howard Hughes Center isn't cheap either. $7 for a matinee and $10 normally. Guess I should have called ahead and verified they were on the same sheet of music as New Line.
That's the BEST present in the world...Thanks PJ!!!!!!!!!!!! by samwise_gamgee	Mar 29th, 2002 08:47:37 PM
OMG!!!!!!! I JUST SAW THE TRAILER!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I do have to admit I went to go and see FotR for the 9th time JUST to see the trailer...It was SO worth it...That was sooooooo kewl...It was a bit odd how they ruined it by showing you that Gandalf lives...But thankfully I've read the books already, so I already knew =D The best part, I think, was at the end when they showed Gollum saying, "The nasssssssty hobbitsessss...." Or some variation of that, and then they show Frodo opening his eyes...That totally rocked...But WHY ONLY FOUR MINUTES??????!!!!!!!!???????? I'm okay, I'm okay...I just have to keep telling myself that it's only 265 more days....Only 265 more days....GRRRRR!!!!!! WHAT AM I KIDDING????? I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!!!!!!!!
Packed theater for FOTR week 15! by realfan-3	Mar 30th, 2002 12:56:38 AM
The 2 Towers trailer was uber cool. But not as cool as seeing a packed theater (albeit a smaller one) for this great film, in it's 15th week of release, on a Friday night!!! (Hoyts in Manasass VA, in case you were wondering) Kinda odd that a lot of northern VA theaters actually were playing Fellowship up until this weekend, and chose now to stop showing it, the very weekend that TTT preview was attached! Interesting... hopefully this will just mean that the per-screen average will be stellar, as opposed to having it make less money (PLEASE make more $ than Harry Potter... why do I care? I dunno, i just do!)
Just saw the trailer on IMAX screen. Here's what it felt li by Sierra	Mar 30th, 2002 04:43:50 AM
....screen fading to black....graphics announcing release date....silence, but for the beating of our expectant hearts....eyes wide in hopeful anticipation....hearts beating stronger now....bated breath.....hearts pounding....a gasp....eyes suddenly filled with images, powerful and heart-rending....ears filled with sound....voices....music sweet, forlorn....faces, familiar and new....filled with courage, strength, hope, despair....tears in our eyes....hearts in our throats....still not breathing....wishing it would go on forever....done all too soon....awestruck....finally exhaling....staring at the credits through blurry eyes....barely able to move...."May It Be an evening star shines down upon you"....calming down...."May It Be when darkness falls your heart will be true"....coming down to earth....to reality....yearning to go back again....back to Middle Earth....back to our beloved friends....just one more time....and one more....and one more.... -------------------------- DO NOT hesitate for one second....go see this trailer as soon as possible - and as many times as possible. You will not regret it! Peter Jackson, you wonderful man -I LOVE YOU!
Morgul Blades and Transparency by AliceInWonderlnd	Mar 30th, 2002 03:55:44 PM
Newsflash: I fucking love this movie. Okay, so maybe that isn't a newsflash. But Elanor's observations remind me that there was something new I noticed this time around. (The trailer coolness put it out of my mind). Anyway, Frodo is lying in bed, looking hollow-eyed and poorly ill in Rivendell. He asks Gandalf why he didn't meet them. Flashback to Saruman, Eagle, whatever... and then Frodo says "Gandalf? What is it?" and Gandy says, "Nothing, nothing..." and manages a little smile. And it always seemed seamless to me before - Gandalf recalls his recent humiliations at the hands of Saruman. But this time the notion entered my head that maybe something had been cut. And it occurred to me that in the book, Gandalf notices that Frodo is slightly transparent, especially around the injured shoulder and arm. Anyway, no way to prove it one way or another, but it now seems to me that it's the only interpretation that will do. Just something about their reactions, especially Gandalf's. It would be really cool to see the original scripts one day, as I'm sure we will (though probably not until all three are done).
THANK YOU HARRY!!!!!!!! by samwise_gamgee	Mar 30th, 2002 07:24:29 PM
I LOVED your description of the trailer...Even though I did see the traier, I was in a daze for most of it...Not quite believing that I was seeing footage from T2T...Reading the description brought it all back. I hope that this will help tide me over until another trailer comes out soon...Everyone, if you see another trailer, or see any movies that have the trailer in the beginning then PLEEEEEEEASSSSSSE post here!!! WE HAVE TO KNOW!!!!!
Barad-dur, Minas Morgul, Orthanc, Cirith Ungol...So many towers, by samwise_gamgee	Mar 30th, 2002 07:49:46 PM
Grrrrr....Curse publisher for inventing title..."The Two Towers." annoyance There HAPPENS to be a billion towers in that book. Personally, I do think that the actual "Two Towers" should be Orthanc and Barad-dur...I read somewhere that the title represents the "unholy alliance between the towers, between Sauron and Saruman." But wonder why publisher said towers are Minas Morgul and Orthanc? Must think on this...Perhaps publisher was drunk...Has anyone else noticed how ODD the title sounds after Sept. 11? "The Two Towers." Must think on this...
Crom!!! by Conan_the_Humble	Mar 30th, 2002 11:18:53 PM
Damn, that preview looks good. Please disregard my previous post. I'm going to see FOTR again!!! Though mainly to see the preview footage for TTT. Does anyone know if you can download it somewhere? Surely someone has copied it by now. Come on people!! You've had since Friday... Cheers
I also saw the trailer in a packed theatre, realfan-3 by exPFCWintergreen	Mar 31st, 2002 01:36:29 AM
It was a small theater, though. Mabye 75 seats. And it was the only theater in town that was still showing the movie. And I also want this movie to beat Harry Potter. We have some commonalities, realfan-3. I must admit to being underwhelmed by the trailer. Not that it wasn't good, it's just that this was only my 3rd time seeing 'Fellowship' and the first two times I saw it, were the day of the movies release and the second day of the movies release. Therefore, upon the end of this viewing I was still very much caught up in 'Fellowship' and I wasn't all that in to the trailer._____ What was real cool though, I was seeing the movie with these friends who are big fans of the book and who love the movie, but they aren't in to movie news like I am. I didn't tell them about the preview and they practically shat themselves when they saw it... However, it was either a shitty print or more likely just the shittyness of the theater I was in, but I could now where as near see the trailer in the detail Harry described it. Some of the Helms Deep battle scenes he described as jaw-dropping, just looked like a bunch of blurry ants on the screen. (okay, not that bad, but still not that great)
What's the big deal, anyhow??? by Blue Cupcake	Mar 31st, 2002 06:43:38 AM
I don't really think that anyone has any right to bad-mouth the LOTR movie. Besides, is it really ours to judge? On a lighter note, yah, I guess we CAN judge, and say that all you LORDHaters ABSOLUTELY SUCK! WHERE THE BLOODY HELL'S YOUR SENSE OF ADVENTURE? FANTASY? GET YOUR SILLY LITTLE HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES FOR 2 SECONDS AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE:The big picture sucks, that why we have these wonderful stories, brought to life on screen for us, to give us the chance to experience a world that we'll never know. If you have something nasty to say about LOTR, I vote you turn that sombitch sideways and stick it straight up your candy-ass, 'cause you're obviously too dense to apprechite a classic -- deal with it. Oh, and by the way, laugh and the world laughs with you:cry and you cry alone: NOBODY'S LISTENING TO YOU ASSHOLES! SHOVE IT! ~~~~~On a lighter note, I love the whole LOTR thing--it's got to be the most amazing story I've seen concentrating on that "realm," and for J.R.R.T., I say, "thank you," just for giving us this little piece of a dream that we can all enjoy.
TTT preview was awesome by Dragonfire	Mar 31st, 2002 08:42:32 AM
Viggo Mortenson IS Aragorn. Ian Mckellen IS Gandalf the white. I notice

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