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Coffey, Attar, And Now THE KINGPIN... I'd Say Michael Clarke Duncan Was Kickin' Some Ass!!

Duncan by Franky 5 Fingers	Jan 30th, 2002 02:34:40 PM
I love seeing the big guy get roles. Aside from being a cool actor, he seems like a genuinely nice guy as well. I like how he's managed to keep himself grounded over the last few years. Can't wait to see Kingpin!
Sorry, not buying it. by Patch	Jan 30th, 2002 02:42:04 PM

Duncan by Franky 5 Fingers	Jan 30th, 2002 02:42:41 PM
POTA might've sucked, but Attar was bad-ass. Armaggedon may have been a flag-waving piece of American shit, but it was so cheesy and loud I just kinda sat back with a big, goofy grin on my face. Scorpion King ... well ... he's buds with Rock. That's all I'm gonna say.
This is perfect casting, and to hell with skin color. by Nordling	Jan 30th, 2002 02:46:42 PM
Kingpin is supposed to be a scary motherfucker, regardless of what race he is, and Michael Clarke Duncan would totally fill his shoes. This is probably the single best casting announcement I've seen in a year. Kudos to the DAREDEVIL casting team who thought this up, and I fully expect to see MCD nominated during Oscar time, 2003 (or 2004, depending when this one goes to release). Damn, this is great news. And if the movie has a sequel and follows the BORN AGAIN storyline....whew, that's awesome. I can't wait to see this.
As I was saying.... by Patch	Jan 30th, 2002 02:47:08 PM
I just don't buy it. First, he's too much the big teddy bear to be a badass. And that's not even taking into account how he just doesn't fit my picture of the kingpin. Maybe in the script he does, i don't know. I think I don't have that much of a problem with him being played as an african american character, but like I said. duncan has so far been cast as the tough nice guy. Even though he is cliche at this point, I think that that zeus guy who played the president in the fifth element would be better. But the real problem is affleck. I don't hate him or anything, I just don't see him running around in the costume and it being believable. I want this to be a good movie, I'm an optimist when it comes to this stuff, but I just don't feel it right now.
Oh, and Patch... by Nordling	Jan 30th, 2002 02:47:56 PM
Don't you owe a certain Evil Genius something for a certain movie wager? I notice we haven't seen you very much in the chatroom lately...
Artie Lange from the Stern show is up for Foggy by Lardass_Hogan	Jan 30th, 2002 02:50:59 PM
He's audtioning sometime this week.
freedomofspeech by quiscustodiet	Jan 30th, 2002 02:52:25 PM
I'm not going to flame you because we are all entitled to our opinion but you never give a reason why you think he's a bad choice. A little back up to your opinion would be nice. Me? I think it's inspired casting. There is nothing in the character that specifically states Fisk must be white other than this is how is drawn in the comics. His race has nothing to do with what he is, a bad ass, hands-on villain. Duncan is a great actor who can pull this off with ease. Now if he can carry Affleck to a good performance that would be so much the better
DREDD! WHY NOT DREDD! by Orlok	Jan 30th, 2002 02:56:25 PM
Sorry Dare Devil fans for getting off the suject. But I want harry to read my post on the Robocop page. Come on people it's time we started to talk up Dredd! Somebody agree with me!
Duncan by Heleno	Jan 30th, 2002 02:57:46 PM
I think this can totally work. And Patch, while he is a teddy bear he is a VERY big teddy bear. Also, remember that Ving Rhames is a similar type, and despite having the most adorable, three-year-old-who-just-stole- a-cookie smile in Hollywood he makes a badass villian. So I'm giving Duncan the benefit of the doubt on this one. Let us wait and see...
Yep by Orlok	Jan 30th, 2002 03:06:21 PM
Thanks for that Zerocorpse! Is there anyone else out there who agrees? American ideas always seem to be considered over everyone else's. But just look at From Hell. Allen Moore is a former 2000ad man.
King Pin by RulingRing	Jan 30th, 2002 03:12:26 PM
John Goodman, thats all I gotta say.
Observations by Morgus	Jan 30th, 2002 03:16:06 PM
The Kingpin is white. Just as Coffey is black. Just as Matt Murdock is blind. Would folks be upset if they cast Nic Cage as Luke Cage? Or Bob DeNiro as Shaft? It's not racist to suggest that, when adapting a character from paper to celluloid, every efort should be made to accurately portray that character. That said, I think Duncan is a horrid choice, even if Kingpin was a black character. Why? He doesn't have a sinister bone in his massive body. Unless he's hidden under a layer of Baker prosthetics, I don't think he can ever convincingly carry a menacing role- he's far too innocent looking, despite his imposing size. Maybe he's forever burned in my mind as Coffey, a role for which he was a beautiful casting choice. If they wanted to go with a black actor, Ving Rhames would have been a better choice.
I'm sorry but the more I hear about this flick, the less I w by Sod Off Baldric	Jan 30th, 2002 03:20:58 PM
Nothing against Michael Clarke Duncan (the guy is an awesome actor and certainly has the build for the Kingpin), but the Kingpin is white. I seem to remember the fanboy community getting their collective panties in a bunch over this same thing when they were talking about a black Robin in 'Batman Forever.' Meh...they dropped the ball on this one the moment they cast Affleck (not a terrible actor and he seems like a nice enough fellow, but he is just not right for Daredevil...in my opinion, of course). I'm gonna have to skip this one...I'll stick to my Frank Miller and Kevin Smith trade-paperbacks.
You fanboys spend way too much energy worrying about casting by St Buggering	Jan 30th, 2002 03:26:05 PM
An actor would have to be unbelievably bad to have a serious negative impact on this film. I'm far more concerned with the quality of the writing, and the director's ability to handle the subject matter. And those of you who keep saying that Affleck in the suit isn't going to work: maybe you've heard of stuntmen? I doubt that Affleck himself will spend more than ten minutes of screen time in the red tights.
Irony by Quiddity	Jan 30th, 2002 03:34:45 PM
It's a bit weird that for years it's been claimed (and often rightfully so) that minorities are always made the bad guys in films. This time around you've got whiter-than-white Ben Affleck as the hero and so they change the color of the Kingpin? I'm sure Duncan will be great at the part. I just find it ironic that they didn't keep the criminal white... especially since that's the way all Daredevil fans picture him.
FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO GETS IT! by Johnny Storm	Jan 30th, 2002 03:43:38 PM
If I read one more casting suggestion for Marlon Brando I was going to go postal on this site! Read your Frank Miller comics. Kingpin is all about massive brute strength, not just some fat guy in a white suit. I honestly don't care about the color, as long as I think the actor playing Kingpin could rip Daredevil's arms and legs from his body. Duncan is the best big guy working!
Clarke Kingpin, yeah!! by Counterpunch	Jan 30th, 2002 03:45:29 PM
Then again it won't be the first time a character's race was changed to fit the medium. Look at Spawn grimace Terry Fitzgerald black in the comic, white on screen. animated superman Lex Luthor black in the cartoon, white in the comic, I say if they believe Clarke can pull off Kingpin then the fandom should wait and see the final product before passing judgement. Personally i would love to see Lucy liu as Elektra or better yet Zhang Ziyi, to well with the whole greek thing, should be about the person who can pull off the character with deadly accuracy not what she or he may look like. Can't wait, such a big fan wink
this certainly can't hurt the movie..... by cameron fry	Jan 30th, 2002 03:46:23 PM
.....especially since it's already ruined because of the casting of Ass-lick....Guy Pearce would have been perfect. Oh well, do you think that Alias chick will get nekkid?
Bad Move, Kingpin is White! by Norm3	Jan 30th, 2002 03:54:09 PM
I knew they were going to start fucking with these characters, in the Superhero movies, Kingpin is a big fat White guy, not a muscle bound Black guy! I hate when they change the characters weve know for 30 years!
Black and white in Hollywood... by dp4m	Jan 30th, 2002 03:55:21 PM
... to pardon the pun, the issue is not black and white... there are various shades of grey. I am not really going to discuss most of them here, except for the one that bothers me the most -- the double standard. The black community (and, indeed, ALL "ethnic" communities in Hollywood at one time or another, including white) has complained that casting decisions should be color-blind, that all actors are actors and thus should suspend the audiences' disbelief regardless of color. I tend to agree with that statement, except in situations of well-known, established characters (such as long running comic books, etc.). HOWEVER, during the filming of the new Shaft (imagine a color-blind casting decision there?), there was talk of boycotting the film by the black communities because John Singleton, a man who could no more be called "racist" than Hot Pockets "tasty," decided to hire Nick Gillard as the stunt coordinator. Nick Gillard, as we know, is white. Nick Gillard is also perhaps the greatest, non-Asian stunt coordinator around. If you had the opportunity to get Nick Gillard to do your stunts, would you get him? Damn skippy you would. The black communities claimed Singleton should know better and employ a black stunt coordinator simply "because it was the right thing to do." Pardon me, but bulldinkies. Best man for the job. Period. Double-standards suck. And I still thik Affleck will blow and they shoulda gotten his partner-in-crime Damon for DD... =)
GREAT casting! Certainly the best so far. by Cash Bailey	Jan 30th, 2002 03:57:32 PM
Now, if they can get Oliver Platt as Foggy I may even excuse casting Affleck. Oh, and this Garner chick better put on some fucking weight.
Bug on DD by Ambush Bug	Jan 30th, 2002 03:58:56 PM
Well, it was bound to happen. The makers of Daredevil decided to go the easy route and cast the biggest man in Hollywood as the Kingpin. Duncan is a fine actor and I'm sure he will do an okay job. I would prefer Duncan to be cast as Luke Cage. He has that big lovable yet tough quality that Cage has in the comics, plus with an Iron FIst flick with Ray PArk in the works, I would love to see and old Power MAn and Iron FIst team up, but alas Duncan has nabbed the Kingpin role. I just wish that the people behind DD would have shelled out the extra bucks and took a lesson from Lord of the Rings. Computerize an actor with chops to play Wilson Fisk like Robert DeNiro. LOTR proved that an actor can be made to look any size and still look real. Personally, I am hoping for the hand of god to swoop down and yank Affleck from this project. But until that happens, I hope the script and director and cast is good enough for me to overlook the Affleck-ness of Affleck. The Alias chick should fit nicely in the Elektra role. She's a fresh face and just won a GOlden GLobe. Not too shabby. Those of you getting all flustered because there was such an outcry of "But she's not Greek" when Lucy Liu was up for the role should really chill out. The reason why Lucy Liu was wrong was because she is Asian. Plain and simple. Elektra is inspired by the Elektra story of Greek myth. Her ties are to Greece and that helps make the character a little deeper than your average girl in peril. Now, this Alias chick ain't Greek, but who cares. SHe doesn't look Asian and that's all that matters. There is an enormous amount of people out there who just like to argue and point fingers and cry hypocracy. We weren't screaming for geneology tests tracking the actress down to a farm in Greece, the outcry was against making the character another stereotypical Asian female ninja. The Alias chick has darkish hair, she can pull off action, can act pretty well, and she ain't bad to look at. Sounds good to me. Now Kigpin is another story. It might at first sound hypocritical to ban Lucy Liu for being the wrong nationality and accept Duncan in the Kingpin role, but Fisk's nationality has never really been an issue in the comics. He has always been this imposing figure atop a high tower looking over his criminal empire. A black guy could do this. Sure, it is assumed that Fisk is Italian in the comics since the character was based on Brando's Godfather, but this was never made completely clear or relatively important to the story in the comics. Kingpin is evil, he's the embodiment of crime. The opposite of Daredevil, who represents the law and justice. Black or white, he'd still be the Kingpin. Elektra's story deals with the death of her father. It is her motivation. Like Matt Murdock's Oedipal Saga concerning the death of his father (MAtt's father urges his son to become greater than his old man) and the search for his missing mother (a nun in a convent), the death of Elektra's father is the prime motivator for her to become a master assasin and cause of her eventual demise. Greek myths. Greek character. That's why she's gotta be Greek in the movie (unless I missed a story saying that the Greek aspect will be completely dropped from the film, which would suck), but as long as she has dark hair and looks relatively Caucasian, I believe she'll pass as a Greek. And that's all that matters. As for the rest of the cast, let's try to get it right, folks. Andy Richter was born to play the hapless law partner Foggy. Richter has expressed his interest in comics on Conan's show. Just give the fanboys something to cheer about and give the role to the guy. Same goes for Mickey Rourke as Matt's punch drunk father, Batlin Jack Murdock. Rourke's heavily plasticized mug looks like it's gone fifty rounds with a spitting biting Tyson and the actor could use a meaty cameo role in this big movie to spark his career. As for the choice for Bullseye, Colin Farrell is an interesting choice. He reminds me of a young Tommy Lee Jones. I've never seen him play a villain so he might be great. My choice: Neal McDonough from Band of Brothers and Ravenous. He's got that bleach blonde hair and those wild eyes that scream "the killer that never misses", but Farrell could be okay. I'd rather see him play Jesse Custer in a Preacher flick though. Rest of the cast wish list: Stick should appear and should be played by either Lance HEnrickson or Fred Ward. Dennis Leary would be an amazing Ben Urich. And throw Rob Schneider in there for some comic relief as the Stilt Man. As for the debated R or PG-13 rating. I know there are those of you all for a gory and brutal tale of the Man Without Fear. I am not so sure. Remember the story from the comics were told with the Comics Code on the cover. None of the scenes, besides Elektra's death, were extremely brutal or gory. A well made, hard PG-13 would be okay in my book. I've ranted and rambled enough. Bug out.
First off, I'm not a DAREDEVIL super fan, but I love comic b by IAmLegolas	Jan 30th, 2002 04:02:07 PM
...these are some pretty bad casting decisions. Ben Affleck is just an okay choice (I would of went with Guy Pierce), but Duncan as the Kingpin? Hell no. Yeah it's great to be P.C. and openminded to have an African American actor play a giantic white (most likely Russian or Italian) guy, but face facts, they only hired him because of his physique, not his acting ability. With some movie magic, they can make anybody look like the Kingpin. Too bad they couldn't of gotten Marlon Brando. All you would have to do is shave the rest of his head and use some forced perspective to make him appear taller and viola! The ones that think positively on this can justify these decisions all they want, but the proof will be on the screen Feb 14th, 2003 and more than likely like it's going to suck like every other comic book adaption that isn't handled correctly, no matter how much we hope and pray. Whatever, nevermind. goes back to praying to the movie gods to let another Punisher movie happen with Garth Ennis writing, John Woo directing
Not Sure How I Feel About This by Anton_Sirius	Jan 30th, 2002 04:08:19 PM
I have to agree with those saying Ving Rhames would have been a better choice than Duncan. MC just doesn't have that bad mojo working for him the way Ving does. But I'm still more upset by the Garner casting- am I the only one who thinks she is terribly plain looking? That's not Elektra. Elektra is exotic and dangerous and moves like a panther; Jennifer looks like she should be working the cosmetics counter at a department store somewhere in Indiana. (The perfect choice, in retrospect, would have been Famke Janssen, who already proved she could pull it off in GoldenEye. But she's already got her comic book role, which also in retrospect could have gone to just about anyone- say, Mira Sorvino or Mary Stuart Masterson.) Ben Affleck is the LEAST objectionable cast member so far, and that's kind of sad. But back to Kingpin- in racial terms I actually like the idea of casting an African-American in the role, as that's exactly the kind of villain (i.e. the smart, cultured mastermind type) that doesn't usually get played by African-Americans. I just think they picked the wrong one.
What If? by IAmLegolas	Jan 30th, 2002 04:12:16 PM
Maybe they will put a ton of make-up on Duncan ala Eddie Murphy's early 80's SNL skit and Coming To America movie where he made himself to look white.
Simpletons by Orlok	Jan 30th, 2002 04:12:33 PM
I would agree that the colour of the mans skin doesn't matter but has any one ever heard of make up? Eddie Murphie has done it countless times. These things aren't impossible. But really this is petty.
This has got to be a nightmare by tenaciousdrocks	Jan 30th, 2002 04:15:22 PM
OMG to hear you losers say this is acceptable or is to 'be applauded' is enough to make me sick. Let's review the facts: Umm last time I checked Fisk was white and last time I checked out that abortion of a movie 'Planet O' The Bad Movies' Clarke was black. Is everyone so politically correct that they can't bring themselves to voicing their opinion without watering it down like a cocktail at a nudie bar? As for the Garner chick from Alias, I am down with that casting though she is unproven in movies and Affleck, although a reach to view as Daredevil, loves the comic books, loves the character and just may be able to help it out commercially. But Clarke has got to be the single most 'crap' casting decision since Ackroyd replaced Murray in 'Caddyshack 2'. Did Spike Lee cast Val Kilmer to portray Malcolm X in his classic movie of the same name? Did Alex Haley approve of casting Harrison Ford as Kunta Kinte in 'Roots?' Did Jack Black star in that 'laugh a minute' feature called 'Amistad'. NO!! That was why those movies were great and were true to ANYONE's vision of what the movie should have been, not just a casting director that was more concerned about getting points from the Hollywood media's revisionist losers than actually making a comic book movie that DD's fans would be proud of. Don't get me wrong, I like Clarke, I love his demeanor and other than calling Burton's ending of PlanetO'TheCrap 'simply brilliant' in an interview, I have respected everything this man has done. It's like the casting director opened the latest issue of 'Fat Hollywood Actors' and just flipped thru blindfolded and picked out the first actor he saw. What about Brando? Ok he is insane and lives on a secluded island. What about prosthetics taped onto some overly-dedicated' actor. Maybe DeNiro would gain 150 lbs. ala 'Raging Bull' Just please pinch me and tell me this is not true..it rivals the N'Sync/AOTC travesty. Get Brando and get him NOW!!
his "fat" is actually solid muscle! by Fearless Freep	Jan 30th, 2002 04:22:17 PM
Doesn't anyone remember this oft-repeated observation from the Marv Wolfman days at Marvel? Duncan is a surprising, appropriate choice to snap Ben Affleck like a twig. I can't think of a stocky, muscular white guy (not a big and fat guy) who has better acting chops than Duncan. And the Kingpin deserves a superlative actor.
Can you honestly imagine a fight between Ben Affleck and 70 year by Johnny Storm	Jan 30th, 2002 04:24:21 PM
C'mon. And a CGI Kingpin is a terrible idea. Daredevil should feel real, no phony.
No, it should be... by mrbuckles	Jan 30th, 2002 04:25:22 PM
...Sydney Greenstreet CGI'ed into the film! Check his movies -- that man is the Kingpin!
Character Definition by mrzsasz	Jan 30th, 2002 04:25:30 PM
Duncan is a good actor, and a good choice for this "type" of role. My question comes down to how much they've changed Fisk from the book. As an "archetype", Fisk is supposed to be "The Man", in the original 1960's /70's sense of the term. "The Man", though, has always been a white guy who controls the drug trade from a differnce, much like Fisk has done in the comic. By making it Duncan, they've obviously changed Fisk as an archetype. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be Snipes in New Jack City, or Kotto in Live and Let Die. From some reason, I see Suge Knight as the Fisk role model.
didn't DD die? by Jor-El's son	Jan 30th, 2002 04:34:02 PM
the last issue I read (we're talking years ago) I thought Daredevil died. It was adouble issue or some shit. What happened after that?
you know what would be neat by krod	Jan 30th, 2002 04:41:39 PM
------micheal clark duncan was white
Hope this doesn't sound inappropriate... but I think Kingpin by Psyclops	Jan 30th, 2002 04:45:04 PM
Not that I really care about race or anything... but having Kingpin played by a black actor is the same as having Lucy Liu playing Elecktra. Now I've never read Daredevil... but I have read Spider-Man and I am familiar with Kingpin and to me... he's white.
Duncan will do just fine I bet by AshFett	Jan 30th, 2002 04:45:22 PM
Ambush Bug: The Kingpin first appeared, in Amazing Spider-Man, many years before The Godfather was made. There was no Brando influence on the character. On to other things: so many of you guys are an actors worst nightmare! Talk about type casting... You've never seen Duncan play a really evil character, thus you say "he can't" or that he "looks too innocent?" Yes, Michael Clark Duncan the actor seems like a very friendly guy, who usually has a smile on his face. But he'll be playing a CHARACTER see, that isn't like that. He's never been bad in a film, so I have no reason to fear his performance. Hopefully he'll shine in the role and kick ass. BTW: He played a good tough and noble character in Planet of the Apes, who was nothing like his roles in Green Mile and The WHole Nine Yards. It's just easier to overlook it because of the makeup. My choices for Foggy: Oliver Platt or Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
As long as Duncan can sizzle EVIL as Kingpin...I'm happy by Smugbug	Jan 30th, 2002 04:48:32 PM
oh and Jennifer Garner as Elektra? Yeah, baby. I would say so far the casting is solid, except they have Affleck as Matt Murdock......ick........
Marlon Brando and double standards. by Nordling	Jan 30th, 2002 04:49:36 PM
First off, Marlon Brando may be the world
You know whats really sad by RulingRing	Jan 30th, 2002 04:53:03 PM
Is that everyone is so mindfucked these days that anyone who feels a white character should be played by a white actor begins their sentences with "I hope this isn't inappropriate" or "I'm not racist or anything". PC is a lie. It is bullshit and it has led to one sad situation. There is nothing wrong with giving a collective shout of "fuck off" when some Hollywood asshole decides to mess with the storyline to satisfy some misguided attempt to make sure the picture has roygbiv plastered on it.
Kingpin & other castings by Johnny Smith	Jan 30th, 2002 04:54:40 PM
This is how it should have gone. DARDEVIL: Matt Damon. He's just the perfect choice. ELEKTRA: Helena Bonham Carter, but that's probably because I'm watching Fight Club right now. BULLSEYE: Wayne Pygram. He's perfect for the role, admit it. KINGPIN: Stephen Root. He already played a wisecracking version of Fisk on "NewsRadio." FOGGY: Oliver Platt. And that's all I have to say about that. Now if they'd cast Bruce Willis as Pilgrim in the Just a Pilgrim movie and Jack Nicholson as Malachi Constant in The Sirens of Titan, I could forgive Hollywood for these errors. THE EMISSARY HAS SPOKEN!
Daredevil is sure to join Spider-Man in the turkey film of the y by Blue Devil	Jan 30th, 2002 05:00:16 PM
First, Affleck. Then, Garner. And now, Duncan. Granted, Duncan isn't a bad choice, he's just not the right one either (don't even get me started on Affleck and Garner). After seeing that stupid-ass Goblin flying around in the Spider-Man clips, the only hope I have for Marvel is Blade 2. Bring on King Conan!
Ha by Micmac	Jan 30th, 2002 05:00:22 PM
I love it when upset talkbackers who are obviously huge fans of Daredevil (why else would they be upset over such minor quibbles?) casually claim that they're simply going to "skip this one". Stop kidding yourselves. You know you'd see this movie right now if you could, and once the marketing blitz starts, you'll be one of the first ones in line.
Nobody said jack shit when Terry Fitzgerald a BLACK character in by Brooklyn Bred	Jan 30th, 2002 05:07:08 PM
Double standard pricks.
Re: Brooklyn Bred/Spawn by BEARison Ford	Jan 30th, 2002 05:11:52 PM
nobody said shit about 'terry fitzgerald' because nobody GIVES a shit about terry fitzgerald OR spawn.
JUDGE DREDD is NOT English!!!!! by Lujho	Jan 30th, 2002 05:31:39 PM
The comic was created and published in England by an American and (I think) a Spaniard. Most of the other writers and artists of Dredd have been British. The story is set in America, Judge Dredd is American. Dredd's nationality is about the only thing the Stallone movie got right.*********And no-one is talking about any Dredd movies because very little has happened with them yet in terms of devolopment. When that starts up there will be more news and obviously more discussion.
white face? by Zitoman	Jan 30th, 2002 05:32:38 PM
You people are ridiculous..... get over it. if it rocks his skin tone shouldn't mean shit. if it sucks bad mouth him then. I figure if elektra can be white then fisk can be black. as long as he inst over the top cliche' black villian. hope he plays it plain evil fuck color.
Not what I pictured, but Duncan is cool by Drath	Jan 30th, 2002 05:35:16 PM
Duncan is such a lovable guy on screen, it'll be very interesting to see him play a heavy this, er, big(Planet of the Apes does not count). I suppose one could make a deal about the color change since if the character had been black, people would be pissed off royally if he'd been cast white. But I remember Roscoe Lee Brown kicking ass as the voice of the Animated Spider-Man's Kingpin, which made me want to see him in the part for a while(then he narrated Babe and it wasn't the same). Of course there's my only problem: I always saw the Kingpin as an older guy, somewhere in his late forties, early fifties. But the physical threat of the Kingpin would be more believable with a man in his prime. I think I've said enough anal nonsense now. Go MCD!
MCD AND JENNIFER GARNER by DannyOcean01	Jan 30th, 2002 05:43:59 PM
Wanting filmmakers to stick to the characters as closely as they possibly can shouldn't be dismissed as racism (when it comes to MCD playing the white Kingpin) and similarly, xenophobia (in the case of John Constantine being played by a Yank). It's just a natural response when you care for these characters enough. So you PC morons give it a rest, and when it comes down to it, this isn't propaganda it's just a film. However I will say they should have pulled Monica Bellucci from Bruce Willis' wrinkly grasp and cast her as Elektra. She would have knocked the socks of Garner.
If you're gonna have a black Kingpin... by Fygar	Jan 30th, 2002 05:53:17 PM
There is only one man for the job. Suge Knight. The guy is practically the real thing already and has the phisique.
"spot on perfect" ?!?!?! by slone13	Jan 30th, 2002 05:56:23 PM
Are you serious? Do you even read the comics? Michael Clarke Duncan as teh Kingpin? Please. Next thing you know they'll cast that ALIAS chcik as Electra. Ohhhhh .... too late. This movie is NOT gonna be good. Anyone who disagrees must think Ben Affleck is a good actor, too.
Billy Dee/Harvey Dent by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	Jan 30th, 2002 06:10:25 PM
There is a precedence for a black actor playing a white comic book character. Of course Dent was only a minor character and not the main baddie, so it really didn't fuck up that film. But, my personal opinion is fuck being PC...Kingpin should be white, though I don't have a clue who should have played him. Maybe casting Duncan will open up the movies demographic or give it more mass market appeal. Daredevil isn't a name brand like Batman, Superman, or Spiderman so it'll need all the help it can get cause I'll bet the average moviegoer doesn't know Daredevil from Blue Devil. I'm still looking forward to the film and the only thing I want is for it to be good. Affleck was great in Chasing Amy (and 'da bomb in Phantoms) and I'll always give him the benefit of the doubt no matter how many Michael Bay crapfests he's in. Never seen Alias (but I never followed the Electra saga). Oliver Platt should definitely play Foggy. As long as the red suit doesn't look stupid and the acting sturdy, I'll be happy. But, if the movie blows, I've still got my Born Again TB. Regardless, I'm there opening day.
KINGPIN, and SPAWN color casting by X-Girls	Jan 30th, 2002 06:19:49 PM
I like him. He's a solid actor. Someone did talk about the white guy replacing the black guy on SPAWN, I read his comments in some issue. But Spawn sucked, so never bring it up again.
ANDY RHICTER as FOGGY NELSON!!!!!!!!! by X-Girls	Jan 30th, 2002 06:24:06 PM
DAMN it, people! Can't you see the casting perfection ??? Sorry, but I mean, he's PERFECT, IDEAL as Foggy, he needs screen work, and is proven comedy-relief (on Conan O'Brien's genius show) he has a cult following, who can do better ?? Who?? Who, damn you??
Everyone who turned dow the Daredevil role. by Chow Yun Phat	Jan 30th, 2002 06:34:37 PM
Casting Ben Affleck is the WORST but if I'm not mistaken, didn't all of the more viable choices turn down the role. I thought I heard that both Brad Pitt and Guy Pierce turned down the chance to don the tights. Can anyone back me up on this? Edward Norton would have been a decent Daredevil as well. I would have preferred Robbie Coltrane as Wilson Fisk but I guess I can live with Michael Clarke Duncan so long as they enhance his already enormous girth and give him the freakish strength to rip spiral staircases out of the wall and crush noggin's with a Hulk-like thunder clap. Christian Bale as bullseye would have been the titties t'boot but I still have hope for this flick.
Sweet! by 007-11	Jan 30th, 2002 06:40:14 PM
The more I think about this casting choice the more I love it! This will rule! Marlon Brando would have been cool and everything, but his ability to move is limited. The Kingpin needs to be able to kick some ass. I just hope the NAACP doesn't get in a snit about him portraying the overlord of all crime.
MCD great choice, but different. by Henri	Jan 30th, 2002 06:41:38 PM
I do like the casting of MCD playing Kingpin. I even hope MCD will wear a giant white suit in the movie. Also, I still think Garner as Elektra is awful. I think Jill Hennssey of Crossing Jordan would have been perfect.
then again.... by 007-11	Jan 30th, 2002 06:47:59 PM
since they're throwing out race stipulations they should get Ving Rhames!! Think of him in Pulp Fiction as Marcellas! Either one is a fine choice.
Casting choices and movie watching by Chris_Fougere	Jan 30th, 2002 06:55:33 PM
First off, I'm a huge fan of comic books and movies based on them. I, like many of you, will watch just about any comic based movie. The decision is how/when to watch them. Should I shell out for regular price at the theatre, wait for the discount night, rent or buy the DVD, watch it for free on the sattelite dish about 8 months later or watch it years from now when it plays baddly edited late at night on TBS. Affleck as Daredevil makes it a rent DVD. Garner doesn't change that. Colin Farrel as Bullseye and Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin makes it an opening night flick. The fact that Duncan doesn't look like he's emotionally capable of intense violence and ass kicking only works better for the character who has to appear to be totally legit to everyone.
Just wait and see.... by Ridge	Jan 30th, 2002 07:00:18 PM
Every single time a movie is made, with the exception really of Superman, a severe change or two is made.Look at Batman, in the comics hes an incredible athlete in tights running around fighting crime, in the movie hes a strong kickass brute in more armour plating than an entire LA Swat team. In Spawn, well, lets just say shall we that Everything in that movie was changed for the worse and leave it at that, in Xmen, OH MY GOD they took away the colourful costumes and replaced them with black leather and wow... it actually worked. What I am getting at before any of you fanboys scream 'YEAH BUT THEYRE SUPERFICIAL' is that you really should wait before you judge. A perfect example? Xmen. So many of you screamed 'ITS GONNA SUCK!' and now you love it? So many of you screamed the same thing about movies like Jeepers creepers, not a superhero flick but a cheapy horror which turned out great. What I am saying is that sure in the comics Fisk is white, and sure he may be italian? But in real life? Where the hell are you going to find someone of his bulk? AND Michael Clarke Duncan is a brilliant actor. You saw how menacing he could get in The Whole Nine Yards, and that was probably only him being timid. Ben Affleck as DareDevil? I thought DD was under 6 foot! Oh no lets make a major issue about it! Or you could just pull your heads out of your asses long enough to realise 'Hey, I HAVENT seen anything from this movie yet, nor have I read the script, NOR have I seen a proper casting sheet YET and I sure as hell dont know anything concrete about it... maybe I should wait and see?" Usually thats the best bet so you dont make a TOTAL ass out of yourselves... From what I can tell 9 out of 10 of talkbackers are like I am, we dont pre judge, we wait and see, its just the 1 out of 10 who gives the rest a bad name. So I dont mean to offend the normal people here, just those annoying fanboys.
If they needed a huge white guy to play Fisk, why not the WWF by Basic Alias	Jan 30th, 2002 07:19:50 PM
Sure, he doesn't have much movie experience, but the guy performs live in front of thousands of live audience members and millions of TV viewers every week, so it's not like he's a novice. He even managed to steal a couple of scenes when the Rock hosted SNL. I like Duncan and I'm sure he'll do a good job as the Kingpin, shit I'm willing to believe he'll do a great job. But you wouldn't ask a white guy to play Luke Cage, and it doesn't make sense for him to play the Kingpin. Oh, and as for Brooklyn Bred's point that no one complained that Spawn was played a white guy, that's only because nobody went to see it.
No no no by Josey Wales	Jan 30th, 2002 08:00:21 PM
While the color of his skin is irrelevant, I don't I've ever seen Duncan do anything that remotely suggests he could pull off the Kingpin: ice cold and sadistic. Admittedly, there aren't many large actors who could do anything with the character, although another large, bald, black man would have been great: Ving Rhames.
Sigh. Remember when I could come on this site and walk into int by JonQuixote	Jan 30th, 2002 08:14:21 PM
But-But-But-But he's Black! Get over it fuckos. Obviously we want the best actor for the role, but unfortunately the filmmakers are stuck with the best actors THEY CAN GET. Anybody who suggests Brando is an idiot, please sterilize yourselves as a service to future generations. My personal preference was Vincent D'Onofrio, but we can't always get what we want. Clarke Duncan is big, mean, intimidating, and not without the modicum of talent it'll take to sit behind a big desk and boss hitmen around. So he'll do fine. What about Kingpin is so inherently white that a Black actor can't play him? Sure, it would have been cool to see a torn-from-the-page Kingpin on the screen, but the DD movie has far bigger problems, from the potentially laughable sight of Affleck in red Spandex (not saying that it's definitely a bad choice, but it is potentially laughable) to the spectre of idiocy that's hung in the air since that horrible script review came through about 8 months ago.
idiots! by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 08:18:07 PM
well, basically, who gives a fuck. kingpin is going to be gigantic and bald, and luckily, a decent actor. why are you complaining? when frank miller made selina kyle black in year one, did you whine then? i hope so, because its the same fucking thing. i'd much rather have MCD than some god damn wrestler or a random big dumb white guy who was in some 80s movies you remember from when you were 12, or some fat old fucking actor that was cool as a fat old guy in some other movie, because those aren't any more kingpin than MCD. you assholes ought to lighten up a bit and learn to accept things a little better or you're all going to have fucking heart attacks if every time a casting call doesn't go your way you have a fucking stroke over it. just fucking accept! say, "ok, affleck's daredevil, i could bitch myself blue in the balls but affleck's still going to be daredevil. may as well just keep an eye on casting, think positive, wait to see a preview, see if it looks any good, if it shows any promise whatsoever be there when it opens because i love comic books dammit and i can't help myself, i've seen captain 'rubber ears' america, so it can't be that bad, going in giving it a chance, then liking it or not liking it." i mean, i could see saying your opinion, you know, "well, affleck could get the look down, but christ, has he been in one movie i liked? given one likeable performance? not off the top of my head. it'll take a fuckin miracle for him not to such. but, you never know..." or something. anyway, i don't fucking know. there's just so much bitching all around, apparently its like getting a fanboy merit badge ripped off your sleeve if you're optimistic about anything. ah, fuck it. its always funny to watch it all shift around. "x-men's going to fucking blow, these faggot costumes fuck blah fuck gay wolvie sucks, spider-man's going to fucking suck, organic webshooters god its gay motherfuck tobey fag, blah blah" christ, now x-men is held among the few good comic movies even though it has whole lot of flaws, its still considered a good effort. and spider-man looks good as fuck and the major backlash on that's already been turned around. watch the same thing happen here.--------oh, and on an unrelated note, on the thought of backlash, if there's one star wars basher out there saying they won't see episode two and episode one was a stupid kiddy film, if one of them was dressed up like a jedi with a plastic lightsaber in line opening day reenacting lightsaber duels with the one friend who was allowed to "come out and play," i would laugh my fucking ass off. that's all.
Green Lantern Re: Political Correctness Strikes again! by trankscuzzball	Jan 30th, 2002 08:23:40 PM
Kyle Rayner is Green Lantern Modern Day in the comics, yet BT makes GL African descent for the Justice League animiated series. This lantern (John Stewart) replaced hal jordan for a couple of years back in the 1970s btw. The bottom line political correctness SUCKS. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------I just love this not so politcally correct quote. Please say that about a minority group and their respective group(s) would hunt you down, thanks alot timm for your sensitive remarks about caucasians. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------ because (in the words of creator Bruce Timm), "Otherwise it would have been just a bunch of white guys in tights saving the world, and that wouldn't be right." I think it's a good idea to have some diversity, but for diversity's own sake, not as a political correctness insurance policy. Way to cover your ass, Bruce. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------
by the way by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 08:51:59 PM
this all seems to be a matter of open-mindedness. and not in the sense of skin color, but of adaption in relation to source material. its really hard for a lot of you to accept when things aren't just like they are in the source material. the sexual identity crisis subplot they added to batman (batgirl was batman's equivalent to tyler durden), the costumes in the x-men, especially wolverine, organic webshooters in spider-man, and now a black kingpin in daredevil. all of these things have had major uproar about them. but the costume thing with the x-men ultimately didn't matter because it was just surface, it didn't change anything inherent to the characterse. the organic webshooters died down because the only thing that made a difference in character about it (the fact that he didn't invent anything to show how smart he was) was nullified when they made him invent something to show how smart he was (something to control the organic webshooters). the only reason the batman homosexual character angle never really caught on was because, for one, the movie surrounding it was really bad and two, it changed the direction of the comics (where batman started out homosexual/innocent but evolved into a more heterosexual/womanizer later on. and now, the kingpin decision ultimately won't matter, there isn't anything about kingpin that being black would change. white sumo wrestler/black sumo wrestler have the same meaning blah blah blah. its a slight change when you think about it. they didn't change anything about what the character stands for. they didn't make him a "beautiful blonde with big tits and an ass that tastes like french vanilla ice cream" (sorry, these forums always seem like an appropriate place to quote clarence from true romance). they changed his skin tone. and for me, it still works. i mean, maybe its easier for me to take this because dark horizons mentioned he was in the running awhile ago (this isn't a AICN is lame thing, i'm glad they posted the official announcement as i was wondering about it) and they posted a picture from the green mile, which i have not seen, and it was just like, wow, i would have never thought of that choice, and i can't think of anytone better. you trade a change in race for someone of the right physical proportion and who has acting ability. personally, i would have been dissapointed if they got some pasty fat white guy. because the coolest thing about kingpin was the first time i saw him drawn without a shirt, because i had always thought he was just gigantically fat. MCD can pull of all of kingpins facets of power (which i think is the characters true strength) if its handled right. so yeah, i'm done rambling, i foret where i was going with this.
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Because DD has 35 years of history! Spawn /Batman & Billy Dee Wi by Norm3	Jan 30th, 2002 08:54:09 PM
Spawn doesn't have that kind of following. Did anyone complain when Billy Dee Williams was cast in a white role Harvey Dent, in Batman,NO! Terry was a minor character.
Kingpin? by Barron34	Jan 30th, 2002 08:57:42 PM
I like MCD, but am not sure that he can pull of the sheer psychologically threatening nature of the Kingpin. I mean, Kingpin is cold as ice, and Michael Clarke Duncan has kind of a benign personality. It will be an acting coup if he pulls it off. He certainly has the physical size to play the Kingpin, but I don't know if he has the acting chops. Ving Rhames or Vincent D'Onofrio would have been safer casting choices. Affleck is no great shakes, either, and Jennifer Garner seems too whitebread for Elektra. She is a real flavor-of-the-month type of casting choice. I don't know the guy they chose for Bullseye. Whoever suggested Famke Jannsen for Elektra was spot-on, as well as Guy Pearce for Daredevil. Andy Richter would be a great Foggy Nelson. Oh, well, the casting so far signals to me that the people making this film are making all the wrong moves, so I am not getting my hopes up for this film.
This isn't nearly as bad as Jennifer Garner being cast by Jack D. Ripper	Jan 30th, 2002 09:02:08 PM
I mean SHE's the one you should be upset about. She has no muscle tone and she's VERY UGLY. In terms of resembling the original character, Garner is an infinitely worse choice than Duncan. At least, MCD is large and imposing and MIGHT be able to pull off the Kingpin. I look at Jennifer Garner and I think, Bones are for dogs and she can't act.
zerocorpse by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 09:03:46 PM
i know all of that shit about wrestlers, it is a form of theatre, i know, but that doesn't mean it translates. and there's a sort of catch .22 when it comes to kingpin. he's all muscle but looks fat in a suit. MCD is all muscle, i don't know what he looks like in a suit, but i'm sure they could pull off fat looking. now, the wrestlers you mentioned all have their fare share of fat on them, in addition to muscle. of all of the wrestlers you mentioned, the only one not mostly fat was paul white. i would trust his acting ability as much as i could trust the amount of times times i could throw him into space. plus, he isn't nearly "all muscle" and MCD is nearly "all muscle". lets wait and see what he's like in a suit and he'll probably look weird or almost fat, because largely muscular, and fat people for that matter, people don't fit suits right. they look kinda goofy. basically, whenever you bring something from a book or comic to the screen, there's going to be compromise. its all a matter of the priority of the sacrifice.
JohnnyBlue, you are an absolute arse clown. by Casino_Monkey	Jan 30th, 2002 09:10:33 PM
That's all there is to it, really.
d'onofrio by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 09:11:44 PM
that would have been an interesting choice, but i don't think either are "perfect." and as for rhames, if i have my sense of proportion correct, isn't he kind of short? and affleck kind of tall? but he would have made an interesting choice as well. i just think MCD can pull it off too. i mean, if it were like a "here's who's in the running" kind of article, this back-and-forth on casting would be a lot more interesting. but, i say, lets look at the positive aspects of who they went with, its not like there aren't any. ok, that's all, sorry if i sound a little argumentative today. i'm actually irritated by surrounding elements, such as gunfire. not real gunfire. i'd say fortunately, but somewhere someone is watching a chuck norris movie. i could use a stray bullet. ok, that's all, today's just a bitter humor kind of day.
thanks! by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 09:12:48 PM
i don't know what an arse clown is.
It's based on a freaking comic book! by Zeke 1138	Jan 30th, 2002 09:26:13 PM
This ain't true honest to God history we're talking about here! This is a goddamn comic book movie! It's wide open to interpretation! Kingpin can be black, white, green, purple whatever just so long as I'll get a huge kick out of the performance! If it sucks then it's the actor's fault for being lousy not black. I'd like a lot more of these types of casting choices. Personally, MCD is the greatest. The only thing that bugs me will be the "Elijah Price" backlash that will probably (no, make that definately) ensue. However, we have white guy Colin Farrel who's ALSO NEVER PLAYED A MAJOR HEAVY VILLAIN as a lunatic, as opposed to the cold, calculated genius of Wilson Fisk. Just got to wait and see.
They're not gonna make him a gansta by JonQuixote	Jan 30th, 2002 09:34:47 PM
Pull your head out of your ass. *** As far as Elektra casting goes, I fell in love with the notion of Rachel Weisz as Elektra a while back. Anyways there are far better, or at least more immediate choices, that come to mind, but since I know nothing about Jennifer Garner, I'll break into uncharted talkback territory and give her the benefit of the doubt.
you know, zerocorpse, you bring up good points by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 09:38:04 PM
but, they cast MCD, why not look at the positivity of this choice? i still stand by the wrestling thing, but admittedly its a personal bias. and with wrestlers, like anything else, the arguement works both ways. and there are always unknowns, believe me, i know. i'm currently working on my own zero budget movie and i'd love it if myself or any of my fellow unknowns got a break, but the point is, my friend, that they've cast an actor, who, within the context of the role, has a lot of promise to be a great choice. and of course it could all go horribly wrong, but we don't know either way at this point. sometimes i'm just a god damn optimist. i can't help it.
Does this mean? by AttackingClone	Jan 30th, 2002 09:45:20 PM
If and when the kingpin shows up in Spider-man or some other marvel film that MCD is going to play him? Coz i know Stan Lee likes to have a relationship between the franchises. Also i think it's cool having MCD, he fits the build to a t, and he's a good actor, he's got a distinct voice like kingpin in spiderman cartoons. So should be good, i'll see it.
Uh, Counterpunch, the animated SUPERMAN's Luthor wasn't by KingKrypton	Jan 30th, 2002 10:01:39 PM
He was a white guy with a suntan. Don't believe me? Take look at the episode where a pre-Steel John Henry Irons challeneges him over the unethical use of an experimental armor. Luthor's skin tone is much more Caucasian than Irons'. As for Terry Fitzgerald in SPAWN being played by D.B. Sweeney, that was a choice made by Todd McFarlane himself, on the basis that he felt Sweeney fit the role better than anyone else. As for Duncan and the Kingpin, I'm not really surprised. It was pretty much a given that the only way to cast the role in live action was to go for a big, burly black guy (I can't think of any capable white actors who have the bulk necessary for the role). I actually would have gone with Delroy Lindo, but for what it's worth, Duncan should be fine. I'm more concerned with Affleck and the script than anything else.
Fuck this B/W bullshit! by Burnmeister	Jan 30th, 2002 10:27:57 PM
MDC is the only casting decision in DD that makes go out and wanna buy a ticket for this movie. Size, acting chops plus I want to see him beat the shit out of pretty boy Affleck. I
Well his suit better be white!! by spiderblood1969	Jan 30th, 2002 10:36:57 PM
I think characters should look like they do in the comics period.I wouldn't want a white Blade or Black Panther and I don't want a black Kingpin.Simple as that.
F**K THAT JENNIFER GARNER B.S.! by Wesley Snipes	Jan 30th, 2002 10:50:55 PM
Now THAT is bad casting. At least with Duncan he technically has a lot of the same physical qualities and imposing air that define the Kingpin. But Garner!? The guy who said she looked like a cosmetics counter girl from Indiana is DEAD ON ACCURATE. Just because she stars in a show about a deadly chick DOES NOT MEAN SHE'S RIGHT FOR ANY DEADLY CHICK ROLE! Every depiction of Elektra I've ever seen shows her as this imposing, severe, and exotic devil woman. There is nothing CUTE or pouty about her - Which unfortunately are two terms which describe Garner perfectly! When she tries to act like a bad-ass in the TV show she comes off exactly like the cosmetics girl playing dress-up for Halloween! I'm not saying a cute gal can't kick-ass, but movies are all about the LOOK and she doesn't have the right one for this role.
Wake Ya'll Reality Is Calling!!!! by RedRum1977	Jan 30th, 2002 11:15:16 PM
Ok this is downright fuckin' stupid. Why everyone bitchin?! There is no way some of you feel that putting Duncan as Kingpin is being P.C. Yes I think the whole world knows that the Kingpin in the comics is white. SO WHAT!! He's fucking fictional and for the fact that one of ya'll had the balls to say what if Jack Black was in Amistad there is really something wrong here. If Jack Black was in Amistad would that be a problem because he would probably be a soldier not a slave. Be real Amistad was a true story and Malcolm X was a real man not a comic book character. Let's be real for a second your examples don't work. As for the Shaft once again fictional but if DeNiro was in it it makes no different closed minds would hurt instead for help. Alos take in mind that the studios and production companies pick these people. Were you pissed when Billy Dee play Harvey Dent in the original Batman or when D.B. Sweeney played Terry in Spawn? I thought movies were just ways to escape from reality but if this is going to be how it is from now on I think I'll better stick to play Halo at least color doesn't make with videogames... SHIT... wait, John Leguizamo (puerto rican) played Luigi and wasn't he Italian? Nothing is sacred!! Wait Spiderman was always whi... oh forget it!
MCD by DouglasAH	Jan 30th, 2002 11:18:32 PM
MCD is a good pick, there's no need to cast Marcellus Wallace every time a black mob boss is needed. A story is only as good as its conflict, and the conflict is only as interesting as the antagonist, the villain, the guy who keeps the story moving. Who cares if they cast Good Will Hunter #2 as Daredevil, he'll spend all 90 minutes reacting to MCD's moves.
i reiterate: miller made selina kyle black in year1 by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 11:39:12 PM
one of the best batman comics and characterizations of both batman and catwoman ever. would one of you assholes bash miller for that choice? didn't think so. its the same fucking thing. they still have plenty of chances to ruin this fucking movie, but they haven't yet, especially with MCD as kingpin. now, ben affleck, everyone hates him. but, there's an actor in there somewhere, he comes around every now and again. he's got a square jaw, he's tall and lean, muscular even (raindeer games, for instance), so, for as much as you may hate what he's done so far, there's still a chance he could pull it off. and as far as the costume goes, didn't they say the guy who did the spider-man suit is doing DD's? if so, that's pretty damn promising. the image above that moriarty described has pontential to be coolasfuck. some of the thematic elements i've seen mentioned sound kind of gritty, which could be cool. colin farrel (is that his name?) is a good actor or something, he has a shot at being a good bullseye, and, as for whats-her-face, i've never seen her do anything and have no concept, but who the fuck knows. i'm not saying this movie's going to be great, or even good, or even mediocre, or fucking terrible. i'm just saying it has potential to be a good god damn movie. and, being an optimist like i am, this is where i go back to my usual place on the fucking cross. just kidding. i just like the idea of being self-righteous. actually, i just like the idea of leaving a talkback and then nailing myself to a cross, like, that's what i do when i come home after a long day of work or something. its just an absurd mental image that's really amusing me right now. that's all for now, see ya later!
Actually, Andy Richter WOULD make a good Foggy. And Matt Damon w by SilenceofFreedom	Jan 30th, 2002 11:43:30 PM
But maybe Affleck will be good for the first time since Good Will hunting. Who knows, we'lll see, I guess. And a fight between Brando and Affleck would be won by Brando, hands down, capiche ?
Why the FUCK not ? by CHEWBLACCA	Jan 30th, 2002 11:53:04 PM
Fisk has to be one shewd,educated,cold, mean mother fucker.Clarke will go mideivel(?) on DD's ass.Oh fuck,that's Ving Rammes...Nevermind.
affleck vs. brando by JohnnyBlue	Jan 30th, 2002 11:57:38 PM
vs. young brando: .......... affleck is nodding his head, trying to get in a "fighty" mood. .......... affleck: so..you think you're a tough guy, alright..alright. .......... brando is smoking a cigarette, talking to some broad, he looks over at affleck, almost disgustedly, then smiles back at the broad. .......... brando (to broad): i'll be backina minute, honey. .......... brando(to affleck): whadduya want? .......... anyway, i'm bored with this already, but young brando would just beat the fuck out of him, then light a cigarette, booze up, and slap the broad around. then she'd fuck him. now, affleck vs. old brando would be more interesting. because old brando would still win, but only because affleck doesn't seem like much of a fighter. but even then, it wouldn't matter, because brando wins without ever throwing a punch. affleck would work up some of his neurotic intensity, ready for a fight, while brando would just start laughing and smiling and staring off into nowhere spouting random things about butterflies made of unicorns hiding in a spacecar made of superman and how space travel is like a slipandslide made of razor and all the while he's not wearing any pants, has an icebucket on his head and the little monkey man from dr. moreau is dancing around with an accordian screaming nightmare. this is, of course, when affleck reveals his true nature of a super robot named lobster-tron bent on world domination. it all comes to a chilling conclusion in a galactic space battle involving a calvarly of space ponies manned by flying monkeys and a gorrila band of militant mars accordians composed of evil. thank you and goodnight. (and no, i didn't mean guerilla)
fuck all of you by axelfoley	Jan 31st, 2002 12:01:37 AM
Golly, the special needs that exhibits this talkback amazes me. It challenges me, actually. What is so wrong with Michael Clarke Duncan? Yes, I KNOW HE's BLACK. But that's quite alright. Duncan CAN act. There aren't too many guys that size who were Oscar nominated, last I recalled. You people want to know why he was considered? He's a hot commodity after Green Mile. Also, guys 6'4 300+ pounds who can also give good performances aren't easy to come by. Personally, I think fanboys just look for reasons to bitch. Affleck as Daredevil? Yes, that was bad. But maybe he'll be ok. Who knows? The selections for Bullseye and Elektra are fine. In fact after seeing Jennifer Garner at the Golden Globes, she does look the part. Back to that fat guy from the Daredevil and Spidey comics that wears loafers and a nice suit.... the guy is capable of tossing around people half his size like ragdolls. Duncan has the look, stature and strength to play this role. Just let it go.
About that white stunt guy for SHAFT by TheYoungLion	Jan 31st, 2002 12:18:52 AM
dpm4 wrote that there is a double-standard because when John Singleton cast a white stunt coordinator for "Shaft", the "black communities" were in an uproar and threatened a boycott of the film. Excuse me, but where the hell do you get that the "black communities" even cared about who Singleton hired to coordinate the stunts? I followed news on the production of "Shaft", and I know exactly the incident you're talking about. It was only a VERY SMALL organization of black stuntmen that was making a fuss about it. Really, just a handful of people whose main interest was getting jobs for themselves. So where do you get "black communities" from? Two or three people can write a press release, and they speak for "the black communities"? I really hate it when people see a handful of black people (or Asians or Hispanics or Italians etc.) protesting something or making a ruckus, and then attribute the given sentiment to that ENTIRE community. As if 25 or so people act as the voice for 30 million. 99.999% of black people could care less who John Singleton got to coordinate the stunts for "Shaft". Hell, 99.999% of blacks in HOLLYWOOD could care less. I tell you what: The next time you see a black person walking down the street -- any black person, any city or town -- I want you to walk up to him or her and ask, "Why do you want Hollywood to be color-blind, but then you protested when John Singleton hired a white stunt coordinator?" I'll bet you that you could approach 1,000 people, and not a single one of them would know what you're talking about. I mean, by your logic most of them should because "they protested." Somewhere far, far away from me there are 10 black guys in a room talking about something or other. And if they decide to write some press release whose main intent is to benefit the 10 of them, they're certainly not speaking for me, or the 30 million other black Americans out there. By your logic, I guess the next time the leader of Aryan Nations makes some racist statement, I should attribute his sentiments to any random white person I see walking down the street. Wise up!
In the immortal words of Sam the Eagle... by Pissed_In_Avalon	Jan 31st, 2002 12:42:05 AM
"You are all weirdos! Hmph..."
Close-minded literalists! So what if he's black?! by James Bookman	Jan 31st, 2002 12:47:37 AM
"But the Kingpin wasn't in the comics!" Get a grip. Pfeiffer's Catwoman had blonde hair not black; Alfred wasn't bald and he wore glasses; Clooney's Batman had gray hair. When does this geeky nit-picking stop already?! Duncan's a fine choice for this role based on his acting chops, screen presence, and physicality. The Kingpin transcends skin color; he doesn't give a crap about his ethnicity or race. He's all about power and greed and there's plenty like him in every group. And for those claiming this is PC casting, think about this: unless Foggy is played by a black actor then the only minority character in this film will be the villain. How F'ing PC is that?! The only time ethnicity or race matters here is if its an integral part of the character. (For example, Elektra's Greek heritage helps define her character so Garner's casting is more problematic than Duncan's.) Face it, Garner only got this gig because they don't have to train her to do the fight scenes and thus they can still make their start date.
Banned_by_theman by Sodomy Redux	Jan 31st, 2002 01:16:05 AM
Banned_by_theman, if you can't figure out why you were banned after being such a colossal fucking asshole then please report to the termination booth. Are you telling me that you seriously want someone who posts opinions that you disagree with to DIE? I'm not too fond of Moriarty but, fuck, gain some perspective. Being put in the hospital is not some fucking joke, and I hope to God you figure this out before someone YOU know and love gets sick and put in the hospital. If they do, please post it on here with your phone number so I can tell you that "I hope they die!" and you can feel like complete shit. Fucking asshole.
haFUCKINGha, weirdos! by JohnnyBlue	Jan 31st, 2002 01:17:56 AM
so, i think it was freedom of speech who said that he doesn't think MCD doesn't have the "chops" for the part of kingpin...ok, wow...wait, ok...let me see here, someone mentioned he was oscar nominated, so, assuming that means something, he apparently is capable of giving a "good" performance (i haven't seen 'the green mile'). christ, the "chops" for kingpin, i can't get over that. its a fucking comic book villain, man!!! this isn't shakespeare, this isn't a complex character, he's not hamlet, he's not travis bickle, he's not ben sanderson, he's not stanley kowalksi, he's a fucking greedy, powerful, diabolical KINGPIN, for lack of a better term. he could crush you with his bare hands, but he doesn't have to. he's cool, he's sinister, he's calculated and heartless. he is one note. back there, a sentence over, that's pretty much it. he's not on a brutal path toward redemption, he's not tortured by inner demons, he's not falling apart amidst society, he's not a broken man, he's not any of the cliches that go along with a "deep" character. he's just a fucking badass villain. any actor with some semblance of talent could pull off the lines and mood of the character, and MCD has the physical prescense to go along with that, which not every actor has. there you go. if they handle the character correctly, it will be great. if they fuck it up, it will not. but the actor in question is a good fucking choice. one that i wouldn't have expected, but am presently surprised by. one that i hope is used to its potential. just don't tell me any decent actor doesn't have the chops to pull off kingpin. daredevil is a chacacter that's a has a lot more going on inside, he's got a few layers, worry about affleck if you need to bitch. ok, i'm done. god, its fun to rant.
Cheech Marin by zeufer	Jan 31st, 2002 01:20:44 AM
Cheech was born to be The King Pin. DareDevil? why not Yoko Ono? or Ray Charles at least he's blind. How about Elton John as Elektra? or Billy Joel he's always a woman to me. Don't be closed minded. Bullseye? Gary Coleman or what about Chris Reeves he's free. Then throw in a cgi monkey and a few fart jokes who gives a fuck? it's fiction right? Why should it resemble the original?
oops by JohnnyBlue	Jan 31st, 2002 01:21:28 AM
i meant: "so, i think it was freedom of speech who said that he doesn't think MCD has the 'chops' for the part of kingpin..." i think that makes the sentence a little less retarded.
and now the order's going wacky by JohnnyBlue	Jan 31st, 2002 01:22:13 AM
great.
With people thinking of Jennifer Garner as Elektra and Michael C by Stasaluck	Jan 31st, 2002 01:24:36 AM
Who in the world thought of Ben Asslick as Daredevil. Dude can't act and his movies don't get good reviews and don't bring in the money, "Raindeer Games", Pearl Harbor, they were both flops. Who keeps on putting him in movies. And also who is the joker that thought of replacing Harrison Ford with Ben Asslick's untalented ass in the John Clancy novels can we just say bad choice. Whats next, replacing Ian Mckeller in the Lord of the Rings, with Freddie Prinze Jr.
Bug on DD II by Ambush Bug	Jan 31st, 2002 01:30:15 AM
First off, AshFett, since you decided to quote me I feel the need to comment, we are mostly of the same mindset about the choice of Duncan as the Kingpin. Color doesn't matter. As long as Duncan can work hard not to smile, I'll be happy. Although, those of you using The WHole Nine Yards as an example of Duncan's acting chops need to realize that the movie was so very much the opposite of good and not a good showcase for Duncan's ability to act. You're shooting yoursleves in the foot if you are trying to convince the nay sayers with that example. Sure he played a killer, but he still came off as a lovable lug with a gun. As for your uncontrollable need to correct me about my comment on Fisk's connection to the Godfather, I must concur. Sure, Fisk first appeared in Spidey waaaay before the Godfather came out, but we're talking Daredevil here if you didn't notice. I've said it before and I'll scream it again, the Kingpin is a Daredevil villain, not a Spidey villain! He may have first appeared in Spider-Man as a crime boss, but Frank Miller made Kingpin Daredevil's main man long ago. He was just a crime boss with a diamond tipped cane and a fancy neck carf when he fought Spidey. Miller made him a man-monster to be feared, respected, and loathed. Leave SPidey with the guys with gliders and mechanical tentacles. This is the Elektra Saga they are filming here folks and that most definately came out after the Godfather. Miller has even said that he based the character on Brando for the tale. Duncan isn't my first choice, but as I said earlier, he'll do fine. NOTE THE THE FILMMAKERS: I'd better not see Duncan smile in this film. Sure DUncan has the size, but I want him cold and imposing (a lot of low level shots up at the big guy, please). And please no thuggin. If Duncan can shake his nice guy image and really play this role with ice and sophistication, I fully support the choice. As soon as we see Duncan's pearly whites in anything but a grimace, it's all over though. Finally a message to RedRum 1977. Thank you for posting an exceptionally hilarious post. SO funny on so many levels. The thing is, you might not even know the the level of hilarity your post created as I read it, but it's there, I assure you, it's there. A true talkback treat. Gramatically and contextually. I commend you for a classic post. That's enough mischief for now. Bug out.
Paul Giamanti would be a good choice for Foggy Nelson... by bryce	Jan 31st, 2002 01:57:49 AM
...and anyone who thinks that MCD shouldn't play Wilson Fisk because he is black is just being shortsighted. It has nothing to do with being PC and everything to do with the fact that he is right for the role. And for those who say that they have not seen him in anything that would leave them to believe that he is capable of being menacing...he's AN ACTOR PEOPLE!! All these geeks at their keyboards who know all there is to know about acting and haven't acted a day in their lives. I would think it was easy too if I had never done it.
Bitchbacks:The shit you'd never let your girlfriend see..wai by Joe Mammary	Jan 31st, 2002 03:04:46 AM
Kingpin being white has no affect on his character whatsoever, so how can it matter if he's black or white? So it's not the same as the comics, boo fucking hoo, will Elektra not being greek really distract that much from a movie if it has GOOD ACTING GOOD DIRECTION GOOD SCRIPT. But none of that shit matters to bitchboys, does it? You just look at your bigass fucking potbelly, hear your mum telling you to get a job and stop jerking off into the over mitts, and come here to anonymously cuss people out. Would you tell Michael Clarke Duncan this shit to his face?No?Guess that makes you a fucking pussy. I for one, think he is about as good a choice for Kingpin as possible, whether Affleck can pull off a decent performance is another thing. I think you bitchboys are forgetting to appreciate the fact so many of our favourite charcaters are making it to the big screen, like we have always wished. I'll be there at Spider Man front row centre , just like all you whining bitchboys will be too, bitchposts notwithstanding. Hypocrites.
Just liked to weigh in on this topic by Solrider77	Jan 31st, 2002 03:05:14 AM
First off let me just give you all my dreamcast of DD Matt Murdock/DD-David Duchovny Elektra-Patricia Valesquez Wilson Fisk/Kingpin-Frank Langella Foggy Nelson-Jack Black Bullseye-Neal McDonough Okay........... Got that out of my system. I just have one thing to say. GIVE THESE PEOPLE A CHANCE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!! I remember a time when everyone was telling me that only Glen Danzig could be Wolverine. Now those same people are singing high praises of Hugh Jackman. We all have expectations destined to be dashed by comic book movies, but remember that there was a time not too long ago when we couldn't even get movies based on the characters from Marvel made period. DC got all the movies and Marvel got the shaft. LOOK now DC's in the tank and even minor characters like Iron Fist have movies being made. We've waited so long for this. And our wait has been rewarded with two movies(BLADE, X-MEN) that ruled. Let's give these movies a shot before we condem them. Besides I can now imagine Frank Langella as Doctor Doom. Tell me that idea isn't cool.
No problem with a Black Kingpin by Evil Muffin	Jan 31st, 2002 04:04:09 AM
Duncan would be a fine choice for Kingpin. Why not have a black guy play the role? At least it is nowhere near as bad as Will Smith playing James West. That blew major chunks even on the storyboards. I'm not thrilled about the choice for DD though. Personally I think they are scraping the bottom of the barrell for any name they can get. Christ, take a chance on some new talent. Look how well Hugh Jackman pulled off Wolverine. Who ever heard of Jackman before the Xmen? As for Foggy Nelson, how about the fat guy that used to be Conan O'Brien's sidekick? If not him then I nominate Jack Black!
Brando's Too Old by Evil Muffin	Jan 31st, 2002 04:12:59 AM
Can you honestly picture Marlon Brando in a fight scene with Daredevil? Jeezus you people crack me up. He'd need a walker and CGI effects just to throw a punch. Duncan is cool with me as Kingpin since that character's race was never vital to the story. Besides, who else could pull it off? Butterbean?
More power to MCD... by Lordhoban	Jan 31st, 2002 04:49:08 AM
If he pulls it off, which I think he will, it'll look good on his resume.. he's getting varied parts throughout hollywood, which is good for his continued stance.. I was never really a DD fan, but I'll probably check out the movie.. I'd still rather see my 100 mil dollar Transformers movie, or a decent Ghost Rider flick (or 2099, that would kick ass, chainsaw coming out of his forearm, hell yeah!).. Hell, I would love for them to do a Death's Head (original, not 2) movie, he's got the humour, the punch, and style that could make him the next Terminator/Conan.. Long live Death's Head! Course, I'm still going over in my head the 'it will never happen' Ghost Rider 2099 vs. Death's Head.. now that would rock!
Kingpin is a N****R?!? by Movieplex	Jan 31st, 2002 04:54:55 AM
I don't think the Kingpin should be black but I have enough confidence that the guy can pull it off.Have ya seen CATS AND DOGS? do you remember the russian kitten one of the most funnny but menacing characters in the film? Who do you think was playing his voice?Micheal Clake Duncan. So don't tell me he can't be a chilling character.I get sick and tired with these wannabe fanboys who slag off a film at every chance they get even before it comes out.This is almost as bad as the whole gandalf is gay crap before LOTR came out but now all of a sudden everyone is saying ian mckellan IS gandalf. It should n't matter what the actor's sex or race is like as long as they can fucking act and this guy can.It's like Danny Trejo who was cast as the uncle in SPY KIDS and played the hard yet sensitive bufoon really well but all the films he's been in prior to that was either a ruthless bad motherfucker.The point is he's a good actor in any role and only rarely can he get to play against type as in this case with duncan,but to me he has already proven that he can play an evil chilling character.
But will he appear in future Spider-man Sequels? by Sgt. Bilko	Jan 31st, 2002 05:41:49 AM
I think that the cross-over, however unlikely, would be cool.
"Spot-on perfect " my hairy monkey ass! by Monkey_King	Jan 31st, 2002 06:05:22 AM
They could still find a guy Duncan's size and make him a star. Prosthetics work too, ya know!
Zerocorpse- you are talking crap! by cody_jarrett	Jan 31st, 2002 06:06:51 AM
"He's played John Coffey, who is basically a dumber version of himself" Oh so you know MCD well then do you? No, I didn't think so.
People--no--IGNORANT TBers=SHIT by XTheCrovvX	Jan 31st, 2002 07:18:38 AM
::gasp!!:: Oh...my...god!! The Kingpin's going to be black!! Holy shit!! His color's wrong! Should I just take this?? Well, ok, if thats the way it must be, then i have to change my opinion on a couple of flicks....Spawn, ugh, that was horrible, Terry Fiztgerald's white, thats just not right. And the Lion King! How dare they give Mufasa and Sarabi black voices?! His son's white!! Geez, man, how wrong could a movie be?! And those Mummy flicks....how shitty is that? I mean, the rest of the movie was fine, but geez, Arnold Vosloo's from SOUTH Africa...Egypt's in NORTH Africa...DUH!....And Star Wars! A tainted classic...would've been perfect if they'd just kept Darth Vader all white, but nooo...a white guy with a black guy's voice..i mean, come on, how ignorant could a movie's casting department be....actually, about as ignorant as YOU FUCKING ANAL TALKBACKER DILLHOLES!!! All right, ass monkeys, let's get this straight. IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER!!! Now, I didnt read Daredevil much, but i've read a lot of Spider-Man, and watched the animated series religiously when it was on, so i can say with a good deal of certainty that Michael Clarke Duncan CAN pull this role off. He has the build, he has the talent. He can pull off being a perfect businessman and he can bust some serious fucking heads when necessary. THAT's what matters in bringing Wilson Fisk to life. NOT his fucking skin color!!! How the fuck dare you break this down to a color issue?! How much of the Talkback population is centered in West Virginia?! How fucking anal can you be not to let the one guy with enough talent and size to play the role effectively NOT have it because he's the wrong color?! Take your yuppie anal colorbiased comicbookbiblethumping asses back to grade school, take the pages of the history book with the Constitution written on it, read through it a couple hundred times, then loosen your collective sphincters so i can pull the sticks out, and replace it with my size 18 steel toe boot. Revolution is my fucking name!!!
The Color in Question isn't Black or White, it's Green by snicky	Jan 31st, 2002 08:27:47 AM
Um, we're talking about Hollywood, here people, not Berkley-friggin' California. Open your eyes; ESPECIALLY when it comes to astronomically budgeted superhero/action movies, they don't make casting decisions to placate PC/multicultural camps, they make decisions based on the bottom friggin line. In other words, the only color they care about is GREEN!!! *** Which is why Helena Bonham Carter or another similarly aged actress wasn't cast as Elektra, but an up-and-coming, young, sexy star with a burgeoning cult following was. Which is why mainstream, highly recognizable comic book adaptations like X-Men, Batman, DD, Spider-Man et al are made, but edgier, less mainstream ones such as the Watchmen never get off the ground. They cast MCD as Kingpen because they thought he could do the part well while planting asses in multiplex seats ... NOT because they wanted to win some NAACP award for cultural awareness. ** CRIMENY, some of you people are naive! Listen, I like comics too, but face it: the comic industry, like showbiz, isn't some inherently pure, ivory tower art form. The comic industry is an INDUSTRY, and the goal of industry is profit. In the grand scheme of things, changing the racial identity of a comic character is such a minor squibble -- it's not as if they're making a Hamlet adaptation where Hamlet is a wisecracking, happy go lucky guy who runs off to the Bahamas with Ophelia at the end. THEY'RE MAKING A SUMMER POPCORN MOVIE! Jeez! (End Rant. Carry on.)
WTF! This can't be happening! by Movie Hound	Jan 31st, 2002 08:59:16 AM
They haven't even filmed one second of this movie yet and it already sucks ass. First Ben Affleck, I let that one go because they need someone to draw in an audience, but "Boss..." as the Kingpin??? MDC can barely speak let alone pull off a big fat dirty sleazy WHITE crime boss. PC or not, this is the worst film cast since Jake LLoyd! "I'll try circles, that's a good trick!" How would all of you like a chinese Peter Parker or a gay Wolverine, it just doesn't work. Films should have some latitude to change some things around but changing a charactor that has been around for over twenty years, is fucking stupid.
Black, white, I'm the guy with the big guns by Kraken	Jan 31st, 2002 09:00:04 AM
Okay kids, I don't really care that Duncan is black and Kingpin in the comics is white. Come on people it's not like they're trying to tell you Santa or Jesus is black (God forbid, no pun intended). The only concern I have with Duncan playing the King of crime is his body build. Kingpin always came off as this slow moving fat crime lord whose power resided in his brain and the people he manipulated. So it was always assumed by the reader that if our hero could get through his exterior defenses then Kingpin was going to be an easy fight. But no one knew that huge girth he had was really solid muscle and our hero was royally screwed. My hope is they add some makeup to Duncan, NO not WHITE makeup, I'm talking a fat suit. Not only will this give him even MORE girth and make him even more PERFECT for the part, but will also help his character keep his secret super strength hidden until the final battle. Either way I'm sure Duncan is going to do a fine job. Now, where can I find a virgin for lunch.
Duncan is the perfect choice, now that I think about it. by Vegas	Jan 31st, 2002 09:03:38 AM
One above poster said that Kingpin is supposed to be "a fat white guy, not a muscle bound black guy." Well, I don't know much about the Daredevil comic, but I do know that the Kingpin is actually supposed to be ALL muscle. That he is a PRIME physical specimen, albeit one so muscular that underneath his clothes he appears to be obese. I would imagine this physical trait has more significance with regards to the character than the color of his skin. Hell, I love this colorblind casting, as I still believe that the best choice to play Bruce Wayne in any future Batman movies is Denzel Washington. Come on, lets have a Batman with Denzel as Bruce, Angela Bassett as Catwoman, and Don Cheadle as the Joker! It might not be the image you fanboys have of Batman in your minds, but there's also something to be said for actually having GOOD ACTORS in the role.
Movie Hound, Isn't Wolverine Sorta Gay to Begin With? by snicky	Jan 31st, 2002 09:24:51 AM
Let's see, he's buff (an obsessive gym rat?), is often clad in leather fetish gear, frequently wears an open jacket with no shirt, and spent much of the 70's, 80's and 90's running around in banana-yellow spandex. Hmmmmm ... I'm begining to think that this supposed Jean Grey fixation is a complete beard, and that ol' Wolvie (now _that's_ a butch nickname) spends a lot of time at bars with names like Manhole and Rough Trade. Speaking of names, his is Logan, perfectally suited for hot man-on-man porn. Next topic: Is He a Top or Bottom?
No, but seriously .... by snicky	Jan 31st, 2002 09:36:55 AM
Is it possible that casting a black actor as Kingpin was a calculated marketing decision made on the part of the casting folks to generate early publicity? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that annoyed, whiny fanboy rumblings, like the ones seen here, are going on all over the place. Online petitions are being started, angry letters of boycott are being written to Marvel, etc. Already, before the film starts shooting, there's some controversy. If enough is generated, it could attract the attention of an Entertainment Weekly-type rag to publish a blurb on the backlash of the Kingpin casting. Thus, you get instant media coverage for the film, familiarizing the name "Daredevil" to the vast majority of filmgoers who have never picked up a Daredevil comic book, much less obsessed over whether the actress playing Elektra is Greek enough.
Duncan can physically do it by sundown	Jan 31st, 2002 09:41:29 AM
no doubt about it and if the script is good then all else will fall into place. All in all better than we could have hoped for a comic adaption once again. But I will always wonder what Gandolfini would have done with the part... The thought of Affleck being choked out by either is pretty funny anyway!
So what? by Mr Chuff	Jan 31st, 2002 10:12:38 AM
this whole talkback sucks ass....you should all go and get fucked by someone. Black white or otherwise....
BLACK RAGE!!!! by BillyBlanks	Jan 31st, 2002 11:45:54 AM
Thats right, straight up racism. I see they have no problem replacing the "Evil Mob Leader" with a black man, but if you really want to go for the switch up why not make Daredevil himself a black man? They could have easily put an actor like Taye Diggs or Omar Epps in the lead as Daredevil, and destroy the racial lines so few films are willing to go, but instead they had to make the bad guy a Black Man. And what kind of response is there instead of rage about Black America being unseen in White Hollywood outside of roles of gangsta, pimps or corrupt cops??!?!?!? Everyone complaining about how Kingpin should be white.....white this white that...why can't you all see the Truth!
Non Comic Book fans are changing our comic book history! by Norm3	Jan 31st, 2002 11:54:33 AM
Fuck these movies, sick of hollywood changing comic book history!
My Problems with the MCD Casting, and Not the BDW Casting by Anton_Sirius	Jan 31st, 2002 12:19:07 PM
I've taken a bit of time to think about this, because it was buzzing around in my head- why was I bothered by Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin, but not Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent? It comes down to character, and what the casting adds and takes away from each. In the first Batman, Harvey's role was as a minor supporting character- the fact that Dent was in the film at all was really just a nod to the hard-core fans. But by casting Billy Dee in the role, a little something was added- not to his character, but to Bruce Wayne's, because as the hard-core fans know Bruce and Harvey were great friends before Harvey went mad. Seeing that Harvey was African-American... well, it was a little thing, but it was a nice thing. Contrast that with the Kingpin casting, leaving aside people's doubts about Duncan's ability to play the role properly. Making Kingpin black does change the character a great deal. Kingpin is a powerful man, and an extremely well-respected businessman, which is part of what makes him such a formidable foe for DD. Making him black undermines that- it's not to say black men can't be well-respected businessmen, but the general public and (more importantly) the authorities would be far more likely to believe anything some guy in a red devil suit would tell them about his criminal enterprises. In short, by making him black, Kingpin becomes that much less dangerous to Daredevil, because his position in the community is that much less secure. And the fact that the producers obviously didn't think about this one bit- whatever their reasons for casting Duncan, it doesn't stem from the source material- bothers me a great deal. Will I not see the film because of this? I don't think I'd go that far- yet. But the initial footage is going to have to be that much better to overcome the bad feeling I'm developing about the movie, and get me into the theater to see it. I doubt that's the reaction the producers were hoping for.
BillyBlanks by Anton_Sirius	Jan 31st, 2002 12:27:12 PM
If you're going to go that route, I think you could do better than Taye or Omar. How about Savion Glover? The man proved in Bamboozled beyond a shadow of a doubt he can act, and he has the build and physical gifts to pull off the role. If you're gonna think outside the box, you might as well throw the box out all together.
Buzz Maverik's Last Fucking Word On Marlon Brando. by Buzz Maverik	Jan 31st, 2002 01:33:59 PM
Marlon Brando is in his late 70s. Assuming that Ben Afflek is around 30, as would be Matt Damon, Jude Law, Guy Pearce, Ewen McGregor or any actor right for DAREDEVIL, we'd have Daredevil fighting his grandfather, which would make a good Rowdy Herrington film. Have you noticed in both ROAD HOUSE and Herrington's GLADIATOR we had a younger, buff, pro-fighter guy like Patrick Swayze or James Marshall beating the shit out of an old guy like Ben Gazarra or Brian Dennehy? Any of you into anything athletic at all? See, your body really goes to shit around age 30, even if it's in good shape. George Foreman could kick all our asses together, but George Foreman in 1974 could kick all our asses AND today's George together. DAREDEVIL is one of my all time favorite comics, but it is an oxymoron, a so-called realistic comic book, which means that it is as realistic as anything about a blind guy with built in radar who wears a devil suit and jumps off skyscrapers can be. So D.D., Elektra and Bullseye would all be pretty young. The Kingpin might be slightly older, but definitely under 40 years old. If you could get Marlon Brando in 1964, you'd have your Kingpin (Brando being one of the first really muscular actors of real talent) or the STREET CAR NAMED DESIRE aged Brando could play a much better Daredevil than Affleck or anyone else. But that's not going to happen. So, no Brando as the Kingpin unless we get Paul Newman as Daredevil, Sofia Loren as Elektra, Dennis Hopper as Bullseye and Charles Durning as Foggy.
Kingpin by lovegod116	Jan 31st, 2002 03:10:39 PM
Has anyone besides me thought of James Gadolfini as the perfect Kingpin?
Duncan is a good casting choice for the part. by superninja	Jan 31st, 2002 03:16:26 PM
But, as I said before, they weren't about to consider a black actor for Daredevil, were they? Nope, the whitest-boy ever, Ben Affleck. As long as they just let Duncan act, and don't get stupid by making him play into a stereotype. That IS what everyone is worried about, right? Keep the classic characterization in place, and no one's going to think twice about it. Actually, I see that mrszaz covered this territory. If anything, we should be making more of a fuss about casting Affleck as Daredevil. C'MON PEOPLE! BEN AFFLECK HAS TO PLAY A BLIND MAN! This is like a faux Academy Award scene from SNL with a clip of Affleck playing a blind man, followed by a clip of fellow nominee David Spade in a remake of It's A Wonderful Life.
I agree Blue Devil, Blade is the only thing Marvel did that was by Brooklyn Bred	Jan 31st, 2002 03:52:23 PM
I love Spidey but I have a feeling it'll suck. They seem to be concentrating on edorsements entirely way too much. Daredevil will be the same.
Johnny Blue, you got me all wrong.... by axelfoley	Jan 31st, 2002 11:31:03 PM
don't pull a lightstormer. My saying in my first post that MCD was Oscar nominated does not MEAN HE IS A GREAT ACTOR. Personally, I have no problem with the guy, he gave a critically lauded performance. People get nominated for Oscars that don't deserve it. Julia Roberts anyone? The very if not only reason I even said mentioned that he recieved a nod is to support my argument or theory, ON WHY HE WAS CASTED. Now, people who get Oscar wins or even nods, get more potential to stay in the spotlight, thus resulting in more and more scripts being added to their plate. My saying he was Oscar nominated helped boost his status. It wasn't as Bear in Armaggedon. I am still sticking by the obvious faction that guys the size of big-city bouncers that can make believable bad guys aren't always easy to come by. Duncan can act fine. Yes, I know it's not shakespeare, but bear in mind he's a star. I'd be lying if I didn't say Duncan's star status isn't one of the reasons he was cast, let alone even considered for this part, that people on this board are evidently taking too much to heart. You would think it's American Pie III or some shit. So it's not King Kong Bundy, DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE. People shouldn't stay away from this movie over the casting of one part.
axelfoley, relax by JohnnyBlue	Feb 1st, 2002 03:29:07 AM
my comment had nothing to do with what you said, other than the information that you mentioned. i said "assuming that means something" as a toss away. i mean, of course an oscar nod doesn't neccessarily mean superduper talent, but it means an actor has some sort of merit, or at least could be taken seriously, as in, they don't give dolph lungren an oscar nod. even though he should have a shelf full, after such a memorable performance in "i come in peace" with the brilliant delivery of "you go in pieces" a cinematic acheivement for mr. lungren. anyway, i've been up for over 24 hours and my head hurts heading toward shut down. but i was making my own vague points and wasn't attempting to drag you into my ranting mind. ok christ i need sleep
Daredevil is a stinking piece of shit ...period by MONDOTOKEN	Feb 1st, 2002 06:38:59 PM
After reading the "director's" comments on "his" vision of what the "Daredevil" movie should be... I'm convinced that he's a fuckin' moron. After all, daredevil's a pretty simple character to film ... You could take Frank Miller's superb graphic novel and film that almost verbatum. There's a rule in visual mediums ...K.I.S.S In other words, keep it simple STUPID !! The casting of Michael Clark Duncan,Jennifer (Alias) Garner and Ben Afflicted proves that Steve Johnson is a big lazy bum... Fuckin' dope on a rope ...Call me a purist if you want, but you "Hollywood" types like to shoot yourselves in the foot continually. Another potential franchise bites the dust before the project even leaves the ground. Any fanboy goons that think I'm being abusive can kiss the TOKEN'S hind quarters. It's because of you deadheads that fecal matter like this continually fly out of the hangar doors at the good ole' moviegoing public !! You're so fuckin' hungry for comicbook entertainment that you'll flock down to the theatres and plunk nine bucks on any crap fest these so-called autuers put out... Jennifer Garner as Elektra ? Guess some lazy, fat assed dike casting director really loves "ALIAS" ... And can anyone really see that giant goon MCD as "THE KINGPIN OF CRIME" ?!! would a virtual army of Italians,Greeks and Mafia families really follow a "brother" ?!! Don't think so ... Instead of a movie with visual references to "GOODFELLAS","RAGING BULL" and "ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA" ... We're going to be treated to filmic bile the likes of Mortal Kombat and Steel.... Montoken out..BBBBEEEEOOOOTTTTTCCCCHHHH !!!! P.S. Have a nice day.
hmm . . by confused_martian	Feb 2nd, 2002 07:40:31 AM
Michael Clarke Duncan as Wilson Fisk? it's certainly an interesting casting choice; I'm surprised that no other talk-backers have considered two very obvious casting choices, granted, one screams of typecasting, but they're both perfect. One is Daniel Benzali (he even looks like comic-book Kingpin), the other (which says typecast) is James Gandolfini. Tony Soprano . . . Wilson Fisk, it's really not that big a stretch.

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