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UPDATED!! A Few New BUFFY & ANGEL Details!!

FIRST!!! by brooklynlove	Jan 16th, 2002 03:08:47 AM
I'm First! I feel like a bunny running down the aisle and up Anya'a dress!
FIRST!!!!!!!!!! by reignman79	Jan 16th, 2002 03:13:12 AM
This is the first time I post here and this seems to be popular for some reason. Does anybody know how many more seasons angel is signed on for on the WB? Will the show pack it in when buffy does? Will both shows culminate in an extremely long theatrical release with a happy ending? Yeah right.
HERCULES!!!!!!! WHAT DATE IS THIS GOING TO AIR ON by 28	Jan 16th, 2002 04:25:09 AM
I do understand and do not like the way U.P.N. airs them one week it is on then it is off the air for a month then is back like last week then it a 2 hour rerun like last night errrrrrrrr
by THE BAUMER	Jan 16th, 2002 04:50:17 AM

I love Buffy! by MJ's Slayer	Jan 16th, 2002 05:06:52 AM
Buffy is so so so kool!
The Angel spoilers look very sparse while the Buffy ones just by Spike fan	Jan 16th, 2002 07:28:17 AM
look lame. Sorry but it just looks like goofy slap stick and bad goofy slap stick at that. Which is shame since the fact Anya has MURDERED AND TERROISED for over a thousand years. The fact that she supposedly has a soul yet feels no guilt has been IGNORED. Not only is this a major plot hole its also a waste of good story potential. But I guess as long as Whedon gets our money and one day wins an Emmy with one of his emmy bait episodes I guess he does not care that much. ## I will not even go there on how they fucked up the Willow story line for a shitty drugs anoloy. #### The Angel show has been far superior this year to BtVS (except in acting Db is starting to get more range than just a facial expression but he still needs more acting lessons) that looks like its on its last legs. ### Question for Herc do you really know if a charachter dies (I hope its Willow I cannot stand the charachter now) and that you will not tell cause Joss and co would sue the shit out of you or is it just a rumour you are throwing about?
Fred and Gunn by Mr. Smegma	Jan 16th, 2002 07:53:31 AM
Now THAT'S a fun pairing! Noticed they hotted her up with more make-up and belly shirt last week and the underwear talk was major flirtage. Gunn was clearly charmed. Now let's make sure we keep it moving by having her jump him. A randy, wacky Fred should blow Gunn's mind so we can dispense with any Mandingo vibe. An ongoing relationship could set the stage for some good conflict with Gunn's buds over his lily white trophy.
OK, I need an official TalkBack ass-kicking... by Roguewriter	Jan 16th, 2002 10:53:03 AM
Finally saw BUFFY's two-part Season Five finale last night on UPN ("The Weight of the World/The Gift") and once again, this unexpectedly great series moved me to laughter, shrieks and tears all in the same 44 minutes. Criminy, I should've been watching BUFFY from Day One. And if you haven't, you should've too! The series has stumbled a bit on UPN (far too soapy lately) but here's hoping for another several years of fun frights from TV's best genre offering in many a moon (screw youse, Chris Carter!) ;)
Gunn/Fred? Poor Wes? Egads......... by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 11:09:53 AM
and the plots will turn. So..this is the beginning of some interesting times. But did Gunn know Wes's affections for Fred? Whassup? Okay. And now for Buffy: nice tidbits - but nevertheless they are tidbits. I watched again last night on UPN the last two eps of last season's Buffy. Made me yearn for the toughter side of the show to come out - but those last two shows, while they truely have bite, had some great dialogue, acting and action. Very compelling. While this season has not been all that compelling, it has been interesting.
I wouldn't mind the pop up ads so much if they were Hotpocke by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 11:13:59 AM
or even Leanpockets ads.
GYYYAAAAHHHH!!!! by ArchDiver	Jan 16th, 2002 11:39:48 AM
The tape is in the mail...the tape is in the mail... damn cable company! Want that episode now! DAMNIT!!! ggrrrrrr
Anya is not a plot loophole by Wooster	Jan 16th, 2002 11:56:13 AM
Actually, there is no logical problems with Anya not feeling remorse or guilt over her 1000 years as a vengence demon because her character felt entirely justified for her actions. Remember, her role was to help women get back at the men who've dicked them over; this coupled with the fact that the Anya character has always been presented as not having an entirely human psychology leaves an entirely consistant character. But what about the other characters, you ask? Why don't they give her crap about her years as a demon? Rememeber; the other characters have looked past Angel and Spike's murderous pasts, Anya's a fluffy bunny compared to them.
don't forget the time Anya sold out the whole gang by sundown	Jan 16th, 2002 12:06:29 PM
and tried to get Willow killed by the vampire Willow. They hated each other even then. Willow was awesome when she was dressed as the Vamp and ordered them to kill Anya when Anya blew her cover. Great episode and in it she tried to kill them all...but times change. I don't know how I'd stack her up to Spike. She seems more autistic than evil...
I've Stayed Silent, Blckmgk, But Now I Must Speak... by Lisel	Jan 16th, 2002 12:44:11 PM
I've been reading all your posts about how much "Buffy" sucks and what a soap opera it's become, etc, etc,... I hate to say it, but why don't you just stop watching it if you hate it that much?? I mean, I happen to think this has been a great season of "Buffy" while "Angel" has greatly disappointed me. With the exception of Monday night's episode, which I thought was great, and the Gunn episode ("That Old Gang Of Mine"), I think "Angel" has been sorely lacking this season. I hope that it's all uphill from here but I guess we'll have to wait and see. You seem to have just written "Buffy" off as crap, although I don't know why. The Scooby Gang is not in high school anymore and they are becoming adults, dealing with life. I think there's been tremendous growth on the show this season. The funny thing is, everyone is now complaining that they want more "dark" episodes and how it's too light, but I read all the posts on here a couple of months ago and people were saying just the opposite. "The show's too depressing, let's get some comedy episodes", etc... Make up your minds!! And as for vaudeville like behavior - why don't you watch the episode where Angel is making faces at the baby. Good grief!! It doesn't get more cheesy than that.
BtVS vs AtS by theshlong	Jan 16th, 2002 12:58:21 PM
It's fair to say that angel season 1 was better than buffy season 4, and on a ep quality consistancy basis AtS s2 was better than BtVS s5. wotta bout now tho. On both shows, it's half way through the season and again alot more has happend on AtS. Me one big critism of BtVS is that they tend to waste the first half of the season building up to a climatic last 3rd. I just really hope they pull of sommett good, lots of posibilites.
Lisel The main reason I think people are dissapointed is by Spike fan	Jan 16th, 2002 01:01:14 PM
That they changed Willow's story line which was devolping her into quite possibly the best emtionaly engaging villian on Buffy since Angel in S2 or Faith/Mayor in S3. The fact is the villians since then have been rather boring 1 dimensional charachters. BUT THE WRITERS CHANGED that interesting storyline for a shitty drugs after school special. And like I said in a previous post Anya's thousand yr history and the fact she has the higest body count on the show has been ignored for SLAP STICK. While Angel admittedly had slow start has really got in gear. Holtz while not brilliant at least affects Angel emtionaly as a villian.
Damn! by Vermifax	Jan 16th, 2002 01:02:18 PM
Cordy and Gunn made so much more sense to me. I sorta enjoyed the sweetness that Wesley and Fred had going (until he got posessed and nearly "Ike Turner"ed Fred to death). Cordy and Gunn would've made the hottest couple.
I liked what I saw starting up between Fred and Gunn by superninja	Jan 16th, 2002 01:09:07 PM
That is one fine looking man. And even better, there is actually a little spark of chemistry between the actors. A spark that was not there between Gunn and Cordelia. I kind of like the idea of Gunn being a romantic anyway. The show certainly needs one.
the shows are pretty evenly stacked in quality by sundown	Jan 16th, 2002 01:09:24 PM
writing directing acting fx its all one big family. While I may prefer Angel at the moment I couldn't say one sux and the other rulz. You can't always succumb to the 'thats great because that sucks' mentality. I did want more humor on Buffy but find its only there in the form of occasional jokes. The show isn't really 'lighter'. My biggest problem with the humor on Buffy is it feels like a false humor where a dark cloud is hanging over their heads with everything moments from going horribly wrong. In the good old days the dark cloud was there but the characters seemed so much more ready to handle it. None of the wishy washy should I get married Xander and the druggie Willow and the somehow 'wrong' Buffster. Just heroes making jokes in the face of danger...
Poor Wes... by BurninBullwinkle	Jan 16th, 2002 01:09:47 PM
And to think he's the one that got shot trying to save Gunn. It's amazing how far he's progressed from his Buffy days, yet Virginia is still the only relationship he's really had. I hope this causes some major explosions between the groups cohesiveness. It'd be interesting to see some problems with a dynamic other than Angel vs. rest of the Fang Gang. (Can't remember where I picked that one up, but it fits well...) Still loving both shows: See you next time!(When is that?) Een a leetle while man!
Make no doubt abou it: both Angel and Buffy are quality entertai by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 01:50:32 PM
still. I'm equating this season of Buffy to that of a longtime good friend. Nothing really interesting is going on - but I still stop by regularly to say hi, as well as to be engaged by some good company. Nothing wrong with that. Buffy isn't lacking on quality - but that famous "story arch" that Whedon penned several seasons in advance is starting to slip. It's not really an "arch" right now but some type of graph that displays some real highs ("Once More With Feeling", the season opener), and some low points ("Smash" was rather ho-hum - despite the "shocker" ending.....). I have been understanding of this season- it's all about growing up, maturing and we all know (hopefully) what that is like. Very disjointed period. But it would have been great if this season took advantage of some characters that have been sorely ignored: Anya, Tara and Dawn. Stop making Dawn whine. It would be nice to see her blossom on screen - like Buffy. Which is why so many of us care for Buffy. We believe we know her as a person because we've watched her grow. Give the same attention to Dawn. That would have been great. Now she's just annoying. I wish Anya would stop being the "comic relief" - except I do think her character one smart cookie. Hopefully we get to see more done with this character. Oh sigh Tara. She was starting to grow, I was caring for her character. Frustrating. Xander - remember when he useto fight alongside Buffy - unafraid? As for Angel: we're watching Fred grow. She's moved out of her room, afraid of the world and is becoming a bright, optismistic young woman - yes, blossoming. And I agree with Gunn...she is cool. We're watching all the characters grow and develop on Angel. It feels rather stagnate right now on Buffy. Yes, Spike is developing or has developed into an interesting character. But that's the only one on Buffy that they (the writers) have spent some effort on. As for the "dark" Buffy - I like it when it's dark AND comical. But wasn't that a part of Buffy's charm?
Anything else think....? by Love's Bit-ka	Jan 16th, 2002 02:27:58 PM
... That Anya is going to look totally hot in a wedding dress?
guess what Killing God? by sundown	Jan 16th, 2002 04:11:05 PM
no one cares what you think. Now go back to masterbating in a corner like a good little loser. Jeez is there a quota on the number of 'guess whats' someone can use in an argument?
Spoiler for how Buffy comes back wrong. by WhosDaMan	Jan 16th, 2002 04:32:27 PM
For those of you who don't want this spoiled, be warned. Herc says that Buffy's come back wrong is the worst thing imaginable... well, I can think of a few things worse than coming back with your molecular structure slightly altered (enough for spikes chip to register a difference, but not enough for her to not be human). And that, folks, is the crux of it. NOTHING MAJOR OR HORRIBLY WRONG there. Think Im wrong about that, wait and see... Who's Da Man
guess what? by sundown	Jan 16th, 2002 04:32:49 PM
I aim to please. guess what?
i have faith in the powers that be by FromHell	Jan 16th, 2002 04:57:16 PM
i've liked every season, almost every ep, and all the characters. The nerds of doom are cool(?), and Warren could be a great arch villian given the chance. But i think we need more continuous archs involving villians, we need some bad guys to stick around for more than one episode just to get killed off instantly, and i'd like to see someone other than dawn get kidnapped
Killing God.....Jeez what a fascist!!!!!!! by Psynapse	Jan 16th, 2002 04:57:18 PM
(Psynapse bows to Sundown for taking on this ranting twit) KG....You blast us as religious fanatics but you are the one spouting fascist rhetoric telling us how we should behave and think. Love it or hate it BTVS is STILL one of the best written shows on television, PERIOD. Oh yeah another thing, everybody get off of Herc's case for withholding spoiler details!! Didja ever think he might have some respect for the artistic integrity of the show rather than blabbing everything out beforhand like some bimbo?!?!
Good thoughts, bad thoughts by Juggernaut125	Jan 16th, 2002 04:58:20 PM
I think chastain86 has hit upon a GREAT story line. It would truly kick some ass if this were to come to be. Particularly if it culminates in the death of a Scoob. (My money's on Willow. ' Cause she can't sing. j/k) And as for killing god's bit of incite, well let me just say everyone's entitled to his or her opinion. I, for one cannot stand boy bands and pop star bubble gum shit music. But I'm not foolish enough to walk into a crowd of 12 year old girls and rail against the Backdoor Boys and N'shit. What would be dumb. So what's the point? They wouldn't want to hear it. They wouldn't listen and nothing would be gained. Not to mention that it's really just a matter of taste. In your world, kg, perhaps you and your friends don't care much for these shows. But when you come to a site or a forum dedicated to singing the praises of Buffy and/or Angel and try to badmouth the show, well, you're not making friends and you're not going change the way anyone here thinks. What have you actually accomplished?
Not much in the spoilers department... by PyleanJossWhedon	Jan 16th, 2002 05:08:32 PM
...but I appreciate periodic updates about Team Whedon's goings-on anyway. And to killing god (great name, by the way), that's a pretty condescending attitude you have there. Please, 'enlighten' us by letting us know what TV shows match your description of CHALLENGING our intellect, our preconceived notions and whatever other self-important blatherings you foisted on us. I happen to think "Buffy" is pretty high on the quality entertainment scale and that there haven't been that many shows on in the past ten years that can equal it and there are plenty of television critics (not just rabid fans) who would agree. "Angel" I can take or leave. It has had no character development of any significance this season, the baby is downright annoying and the prospect of an Angel/Cordy pairing is pretty cringe-worthy. (I am definitely not a B/A shipper, but did we forget that the reason this show came about was that Angel couldn't be with a normal human girl?) I hope it turns around. And as for the teensploitation era of television, wasn't it spawned by "My So-Called Life"?
Hey Chastain86...kinky hotpocket boy... by brooklynlove	Jan 16th, 2002 05:10:30 PM
HATER! I was gonna complement your great story line but your obvious jealousy over my talkback superior posting techniques are so glaring...I will pity you instead!
killing god by Sofa King	Jan 16th, 2002 05:16:33 PM
Actually, killing God was far more specific than any of you every could be in defending it. You people always just resort to using vauge, undefined terms to defend the show and, of course, the old "you must have never seen it" defense. You people are as unoriginal and predictable as BTVS.
Gunn/Fred! by eva_star	Jan 16th, 2002 05:53:43 PM
How cute! I think that they would make a good couple. Wonder how it'll go over with Wesley, though. I liked the emotions of the ep where he goes beserk cuz of that guy. I think there should be some sparks between Gavin and Lilah since there's already soo much hate there ^_^
Pressing some buttons back: critics, academics and Killing God by jbreen	Jan 16th, 2002 06:14:22 PM
Ah - the good ol' days. When prats like Killing God (oh dear, what a pretentious name. KG clearly thinks he/she is a cynic of unique insight ...) would wander into a TB and load up some incendiary remark and then sit back and get their jollies as other Talkbackers posted their outraged replies. It is easy work, is it not KG, to come in and press a few obvious buttons. A brief search of the Internet, however, shows just how seriously many heavy-weight critics and academics take the Buffster and proves that KG is quite the sorry git in thinking that Buffy is light-weight stuff that a few critics like who are either easily fooled or waxing nostalgic. Excuse me for pointing elsewhere for arguments, but it strikes me that a poster can posit an argument 'til they're blue in the face, but the critics and academics mentioned elsewhere have the weight of academic clout behind them. And I think that is a better counterpoint than just me arguing why I like the Buffster. For starters, I highly recommend the following site: http://www.slayage.tv/numbers. html. This is the 'Online International Journal of Buffy Studies', a dead (excuse the pun) serious and robust examination of the series by academics, including Michelle Callander of the Department of English at the University of Melbourne, Robert A. Davis, the Director of Inservice Education and Senior Lecturer in Curriculum Studies in the Faculty of Education of the University of Glasgow, Stacey Abbott an education officer at the British Film Institute and currently completing her dissertation on the "Modern American Vampire" at the University of London and many other PhD studes and the like. The site also links to some good online reading elsewhere, such as the Salon article at http://www.salon.com/ent/col/m ill/2001/03/12/buffy_mom/index .html, or an interesting one about the scheduling and impact of the series over in the UK at http://www.cult-media.com/issu e1/Ahill.htm. I also quite like Zoe Williams online article over at The Guardian. She points out lots of basic stuff about the series, such as the fact that Buffy is alone in mainstream telly drama for winning a prize from the Gaylactic Network, an organisation for gay and lesbian sci-fi fans, and from Spectrum, honouring science fiction, fantasy and horror works that include positive explorations of gay, lesbian or transgender characters. As to her 'cheer-leading qualities', let me point out that, one, as one academic notes: "the 1992 film 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer', sees Buffy
*REAL ANGEL NEWS!!!* by StarUnlit	Jan 16th, 2002 06:42:30 PM
Hey chums, here is some interesting ANGEL news. Joss "the man" Whedon, is writing and directing his first episode of Angel since the series premiere in 1999. The following ensues: Angel takes the crew out for an evening at the ballet and is shocked to find that the 'prima ballerina' is one he first saw dance more than a hundred years ago. He and Cordy sneak back stage only to be consumed by lustful passion for one another when the souls of unrequitted lovers take them over. Its on in FEB. How cool is that?
jbreen: beautiful.... by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 07:01:48 PM
I usually hate long posts in TB - but yours is worth it. However, I have always thought that Scully of The X-Files is (or rather was - the first 3-4 seasons), the other most compelling female character on television. But let me also say that another reason I'm drawn to BtVS and Angel are the strong female characters. Yes, Buffy is central, but there are many traits to admire in Willow, Anya, Tara, Cordie and now, Fred. That's the beauty of these shows.
StarUnlit by superninja	Jan 16th, 2002 07:09:45 PM
Who would've thought that Angel would've made it to a ballet? (Unless he and Darla were trying to eat the dancers.) Ah, the 'ol "possession" plot device. Always works to get two characters to do the deed, and wipe their hands of it afterwards.
Damn right, Superninja. by StarUnlit	Jan 16th, 2002 07:27:29 PM
Possession is a great plot device in real life too. Its an even better excuse than being drunk. "Damn baby... that wasnt me talkin, I was just posessed!" I bet Ballets were a great place to pick up a quick dish to go for the cultured vampyr on the run, back in the day. Either way, Joss is writing... yum.
Speaking of X-Files.... by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 07:56:25 PM
it wasn't posession but a shapeshifter who posed as Mulder and was hitting on Scully. That was interesting. But y'know this might be interesting. If Cordey and Angel can still remember what happened, even though they were possessed - that would make for interesting things. right? AND I think Joss has some tricks up his sleeve and will certainly not make it a typcial "I did it 'cuz I was possessed" story.....I've got faith.
Actually, Smugbug by superninja	Jan 16th, 2002 08:03:57 PM
I'd prefer it if only they had a vague recollection of it. They have to drag this sucker out for at least another couple of seasons.
Gods and Monsters by Kid Occult	Jan 16th, 2002 08:08:15 PM
What exactly did killinggod say? The post got erased before I got here. I've read some of his/her/its posts before and I've always been impressed. I read them for the same reason I like watching bad movies; they amuse me.
what did killing god say? by LostInKansas	Jan 16th, 2002 08:10:32 PM
everyone's saying stuff to KG and i can't find his/her post! what did KG say? why is everyone so mad?!! please someone tell me so i can be mad too.
superninja: get your point. AND.... by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 08:58:57 PM
I just had a thought. How come it has to be Cordey and Angel. Well, okay I ain't naive, I know why, but why not like, Gunn and Fred? OR, Cordey and The Host, OR Cordey and Wes OR Wes and Fred? Folks, come up with your other interesting pairings... but, get my point? Why the obvious Angel and Cordey?
Let's post this again and see where it goes:superninja: get by Smugbug	Jan 16th, 2002 09:04:32 PM
I just had a thought. How come it has to be Cordey and Angel. Well, okay I ain't naive, I know why, but why not like, Gunn and Fred? OR, Cordey and The Host, OR Cordey and Wes OR Wes and Fred? Folks, come up with your other interesting pairings... but, get my point? Why the obvious Angel and Cordey?
it's going to be the host and fred sooner or later by faceman_peck	Jan 16th, 2002 10:25:09 PM
According to IMDB, Fred and the Host are going out in real life. It probably would not be a strech of the imagination to see this happening soon. Better a demon/human thing than this entire mandingo thing that could be pushed...
SmugBug by superninja	Jan 16th, 2002 11:25:00 PM
I was always a fan of getting Angel and Cordelia together from the beginning. But that's because I'm a big fan of tension-filled romance (hence my long winded diatribes on the DC Message Boards about why Wonder Woman and Batman are perfect for each other). Cordelia never puts up with Angel's crap. In fact, he has to prove himself for her to like him. This last EP shows that Cordelia doesn't need Angel as much as he needs her. If they don't end up together, I'll live. But I think the actors have chemistry. Cordelia and Gunn didn't, which is why I think the writers steered away from them becoming involved. However, the little moments with Gunn and Fred were sweet. It's a different kind of romance from Angel and Cordelia, but it's charming.
Just chiming in... by Cajun Lightning	Jan 16th, 2002 11:54:15 PM
First off, who is this killing god and for christ sake, what did he say? It's kinda weird. I see a million posts calling him an idiot but all of his posts are banned. It seems he had a lot on his mind. Second, I just want to agree that they should be doing some major character development of the minor players on Buffy. Dawn had such potential but is now reduced to squealing and giving the rest of the cast dirty looks. And I do find it odd that Anya's past is not even remotely addressed. I think they could draw some cool parallels between her and Spike, two characters who have had no screen time together and really should. I feel like the characters barely interact at all anymore, and that was a large part of the shows appeal. It's still entertaining as all hell and has had some real bright spots this season. I know I am not saying anything particularly insightful but I am the only one of my friends who watches this show and this is the closest thing I can get to a discussion about it.
I blame Wrecked by Cajun Lightning	Jan 17th, 2002 12:15:48 AM
I just re-read the Angel episode talkback and the last poster, pulp dusk, I believe he was called, made a good point: Really, all of Buffy's comparitive suckiness lies with one episode: Wrecked. I mean if you really think about it, things were going pretty smooth till then. Natural progression of events. And then in Wrecked they just tied up the whole Willow thing, which has really been building for years, in one lame-o episode, totally ignored many revelations made in Smashed, and scooted the Buffy/Spike plot which can (and I think ultimately will be) very interesting to the side entirely in a very obvious way. (Ok. Magic and Spike Lovin' is like a drug. WE GET IT) And then followed with a light episode. Gone wasn't a bad go round. It just seemed inappropriatley timed. So when you think about it, the episode single handedly tainted the whole season. Excuse me while I channel the all mighty bitchy nerd power the Simpson's Comic Book Guy: Worst episode ever! Let us all forget it happened and never speak of it again. The rest of the season will probably get back to rocking.
Killing God must have been an all time troll by MGTHEDJ	Jan 17th, 2002 12:41:43 AM
Lord he set everybody off. Anyone here been watching Comedy Central's "Beat the Geeks?" This week there was a contestant who was a bartender, looked like a model, but he actually won the Grand Prize. And for anyone who has not watched, those geeks know their stuff. Also when the geeks would talk trash about the contestent's intellect or memory, he would give it back, usually by insulting the geeks' looks. My take was he was in the closet about his geekness. Some of his questions were rather difficult. KG, you need to lighten up. Most here also watch classic movies (Coppola, Martin S., Hitchcock, Huston), are really into music (my ID plus there are some others who have D.J. in their IDs), have read classic literature including James Joyce, and have boy/girlfriends if not married and have children. Yes I am flaming you a bit but I am sick and tired of this jock culture were everyone has to pretend they have an IQ of 90. What is it about the U.S.? Maybe that explains why most of our female college graduates are marrying non-U.S. citizens.-----later-----m
Relationships (I was gonna say Poor Wes, but..) by Thalya	Jan 17th, 2002 03:17:28 AM
The way things are looking, Willow and Xander are going to be together in the end. Will's the only one of the Scoobs without any demon in her being (X being the demon magnet incarnate), especially right after Birthday, and with the possibility that Buffy's Slayerness is rooted in demonicity. As for Angel, I don't think Cordy and Angel can really be together. What if through love she passed the visions on to him instead? She saw what happened to him, and then her acceptance of demon in her being would be all for naught. This thing is going to be as unrequited as Angel and Buffy. It means Cordy can't be with anyone, something she was pondering at the beginning of the 2nd Billy ep. Wes may very well be in the same boat (sad sigh) though it would give some symmetry to the characters and relatability for deeper bonding. He's got a lot more suffering, I think, particularly if he's so key to the big apocalypse. Not to mention if for some reason he gets irrational, he could go all gung-ho on Gunn because of his feelings for Fred, not to mention his threat to Gunn at the end of That Old Gang of Mine. Fred and Gunn is a good thing though: brain and brawn, and it gives some stuff for Amy and J. August to do besides just stand there being the Cs..
86 story by theshlong	Jan 17th, 2002 05:47:08 AM
Ok, I just had to re-read that Chastain86 storyline that everyones ravin about. I must say it would certainly give this season a boost. However as u said your self it's likely. The writers tend to be far more delecet with stuff that they've spent all season building up. my prediction, I think Anya will become a vampire in episode 17. (b.s.d) it would certainly cause a few rifts, and not just for Xander. For instance, if everyones trying to find and stake vampAnya, Buff would feel even more awkward about her relationship with spike, kinda hypacritical.
the willow afterschool special by yeah i'm a jerk!	Jan 17th, 2002 11:43:02 AM
i personally don't think joss tied jack shit up. i think he's pulling the old trick of making you think willow is all better and then letting all hell break loose. i'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that the nerdly trio is gonna play mastermind to willow's jean grey and then she will go berserk. oh and buffy probably came back wrong because she was buried in the ground above the hellmouth. that can't be very hollowed ground.
superninja: oh okay. I do see the chemistry between Angel and C by Smugbug	Jan 17th, 2002 01:15:40 PM
but I've always likened it to a more "caring/respect" than romantic possibilities. I have to add a big "HMMMMM" on your Wonder Woman and Batman idea. I've always gone along with Wonder Woman/Superman. I've never heard this one before. Maybe I'll throw this one out at the DC people at this year's San Diego Comi-Con and see what they have to say. Oh and yes, the reason I like the Gunn/Fred pairing is that it would be so sweet and sincere. They honestly do seem to like each other. Actually the pairings on Angel don't seem so forced - but very real, very natural. While on Buffy, the B/S pairing seems like a gimmick. Like a "oh, this would be kinda kewl, a former 'big bad' and foe of Buffy.....and it would still be kinda ambiguous as to his true intent". Hey - that's my opinion!
Angel/Cordy by CoenFan	Jan 17th, 2002 02:44:53 PM
I think that a relationship between these two could lead to kind of a neat crossover episode. Cordy and Angel double date w/ Spike and Buffy. I can see it now, the possibilities for comedy are endless. I'm pretty sure this won't happen, but wouldn't it be kinda neat? Anyway, is there any news on Angel possibly coming to UPN next year? I know it would be neat for me to stop taping Angel every Thursday morning at 3:00am off our local NBC affilliate. Anyone know what the deal is?
the spike mirror shot by cordynharm	Jan 18th, 2002 09:00:36 PM
i too think these spoilers sound shite. while im not sure if buffys jumped the shark-i still emmensly enjoy the show, but i have noticed a decline in the quality of the shows continuity. for instance, the entire lack of not bothering to cut the shots where u see the vampires reflections...we had the angel reflection in last years "disharmony" and this year in the buffy opener "bargaining1" you can actually see spike in the mirror as he leaves the door of buffys house, as willow fixes the buffy bot. joss, if youre reading please re-cut that episode for the dvd, and sack your current editor for missing this obvious glitch in a usually well oiled machine. om my god-i just became a blithering fan-boy that values these 2 shows more than my own existence...sorta:)
WHY IS BUFFY POOR! by SITA18	Jan 21st, 2002 01:10:46 AM
IF GILES GETS PAID TO BE A WATCHER THEN WHY DOESN'T BUFFY GET PAID TO BE A SLAYER, WOULDN'T THE COUNSEL RATHER HER WORRYING ABOUT SLAYING INSTEAD OF THE STUPID WATER BILL!!!

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