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Why OCEAN'S ELEVEN was Father Geek's most disappointing film of 2001, and the 19 Vegas films he enjoys more

WTF? by selectd	Jan 2nd, 2002 03:56:29 PM
Is 3000 Miles to Graceland actually on this list ahead of Casino, Leaving Las Vegas, Fear and Loathing, etc. ad nauseum? You've got to be kidding me?
My father's opinion: by The Colonel	Jan 2nd, 2002 03:58:34 PM
WHO GIVES A SHIT! The movie was enjoyable, bottom line. Who cares what Harry thinks, let alone Harry's EFFIN' FATHER!!! MachineGun McCain my ass.
3000 Miles to Graceland was absolutely terrible! by metsrulein2k	Jan 2nd, 2002 03:59:39 PM
How dare you put it in front of Casino!!!!! All validity has been lost with this column!
WHAT?! by goonie	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:00:12 PM
3000 miles to Graceland? Very Bad Things?! The original Ocean's 11?!?! Talk about some shitty movies. Soderburg's film might not be the best movie ever, but come on! No way are most of these films better. Just because a film doesn't meet your expectations, that is no reason to trash it! Either way, Father Geek rules! Happy New Year geeks.
How in the hell can you put 3000 Miles to Graceland in front of by Marek	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:04:42 PM
3000 Miles to Graceland was one of the 10 worst movies of the freaking year!!!! What a shit list.
Father Geek, How can you have SHOWGIRLS ahead of Oceans 11 2001? by Marek	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:06:14 PM
What a bunch of fucking shit.
Holy Cow! by Mr. Little-Jeans	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:09:40 PM
Very Bad Things? You've gotta be kidding me. If a good movie were China, Very Bad Things would be Bastrop. 3000 Miles to Graceland and for Christs sake Showgirls?!?!?! The writers of those movies should eat the peanuts out of my ass!!!
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! by Dr.Midnight32	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:12:03 PM
Every fucking time I read about how bad the Knowles clan thinks Ocean's 11 is, they always talk about Machine Gun McCain AND ITS NOT FUCKING AVAILABLE! No where on the internet can I find a copy of it. I'm sick and tired of these guys siting this as the best Vegas flick ever WHEN NO ONE CAN FUCKING SEE IT! How's about having copies available to buy or a link to a sites that does sell them. And hows about doing that for all of of the "LOST" films that you guys rave about. Sure, you guys put on a film festival once a year, but for those of us that can't get tickets or just plain cannot go, hows about doing a little bit of something for us. If you guys are as big of fans as you say you are, then how about contributing a little to the other fans of cinema. I'm not looking for something free, I'm just looking for a little help from a friend.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion.... by shaggy-g	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:24:35 PM
But that was is pure shit. Ocean's 11 was pure entertainment, the most I've gotten from any movie all year. To justify i by saying 3000 miles and some of that other horseshit is better is ridculous. Too bad Lord of the Rings wasn't set in Vegas huh? then We could have bled another article out of that thing.
Machine Gun McCain not available by spoits	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:25:35 PM
damn i hate that. when will all the exploitation goodness filter down to dvd
3000 Miles of agony by Enax	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:25:46 PM
Wow, I never contribute to talkbacks, but this takes the cake. 3000 Miles is on my 10 worst of ALL TIME lists, right near Baby's Day Out. What a noisy crapfest that was. I have seen thousands and thousands of films, and 3000 Miles was one of the few that came close to making me physically ill. I guess you can't account for taste, but objectively speaking, it's just a bad movie. Jeez.
....and another thing by shaggy-g	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:27:34 PM
How could anyone who has seen 300 movies this year make any kind of comment on coolness. Maybe go out and do a little boozin' and socializin' and I could respect the Knowles boys a little more.
The original Ocean's 11 is just horrible! by BigTuna	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:29:22 PM
I don't give a rat's ass about how " cool" the rat pack was, the film just plain sucks ass! Dean looks drunk throughout the film and there are scenes where FRank is standing in the dark because he missed his spot and they didn't bother doing a 2nd take. Not to mention it feels like it's 4 hours long.
Yeah! Six-String Samurai!!!! by Smugbug	Jan 2nd, 2002 04:36:13 PM
And Bugsy kicks ass! Some of the best dialogue in movies were in Bugsy ("...why don't you go and jerk yourself a soda...") - written by the man who's responsible for Conan, The Barbarian, no less. The dialogue is much better than Ocean's Eleven, in my opinion! And then there's Six-String Samurai, a favorite movie to watch at 2AM - since sometimes it's on TV at that hour. I did that one and "A Boy and His Dog" for some insomniac TV movie-time.
You should really write your column when sober!!! by Joel Goodson	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:10:51 PM
3000 miles was a bad music video not EVEN a bad feature film. That "project" symbolizes EVERYTHING bad about Hollywood. Any comments, people?
the good father has sinned against you oh lord! by jonnyaction	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:11:01 PM
harry,please take dad off the payroll and put him in a home where with time and modern medication he may someday live a normal delusion free existence.i enjoyed oceans eleven for what it was.a fun heist flik with decent performances by ALL involved.no one mailed it in on this movie.i've learned to enter a movie with less precoceived notions of where i think it should be takeing me,and just let the filmmaker and actors lead the way.might i be disappointed in a movie?sure,but not to the point of listing it as such.i'll enjoy the experience or not,and go on to the next one.i remain,jonnyaction
SHOWGIRLS deserves to be ahead of Ocean's Eleven....now excu by Mully4Ever	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:15:46 PM
What? Showgirls is PURE TRASH.
I aint no GOD DAMN SON OF A BITCH, You better think about it bab by SamBlackChvrch21	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:27:05 PM
What type of bullshit is this? Darkman was a coller Vegas flick than Showgirls and Darkman aint no Vegas flick. Casino MUTHERFUCKERS
stop being a spolied sport Oceans 11 Rules by JJRoxusa	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:28:37 PM
oceans 11 was a nice CLEAN and fun movie. and i was working at the theater when it came out, and everyone cool thought it was good, whats your problem man? what are you some kind of a movie critic or something>??
3000 Miles?!! W.T.F.?! by rubycanoe	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:30:29 PM
You can just stop reading right there at #2. 3000 miles to Graceland was one of the all-time worst, laugh-out-loud bad films I'VE EVER SEEN. If Father Geek thinks that it's better than Ocean's 11, then he's just lost any and all credibility with me. I don't even ever post talkbacks, but I had to come out of retirement just to tell F.G. how wrong he is!
Okay, we get the point that O-11 isn't loved in the Knowles by Rufus_T_Firefly	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:42:46 PM
So, did Clooney do doughnuts in your lawn or something? I can't see how you guys can continuously carp on a movie that I enjoyed so much. Instead, why don't you guys spend time father-son tagteaming a piece of shit like "The Majestic"... and Jim 'I Don't Want To Talk Out Of My Ass Cheeks Anymore' Carrey's shameless Oscar pandering. Or better yet, just go play catch or something. Christ.
I NEVER Talkback, but.... by bunglebb	Jan 2nd, 2002 05:54:48 PM
3000 Miles to Graceland?! That's got to be one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made. You say that Oceans 11 isn't a bad movie, but didn't meet expectations.... WHAT the fuck were you expecting from 3000 Miles
Wow that was thunderously pointless and dumb. by ItsOver	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:07:45 PM
Well it was. Thats also a long list of shitty movies you have there.
Gotta agree by AshFett	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:13:50 PM
3000 Miles to Graceland is VERY easily my least favorite movie of the year. It is truly horrible, and nearly unwatchable. I would never, ever watch it again. I know everyone's opinion is varied but wow, the second best Vegas movie ever? That is... Wow. Yeah.
drugs (that's gotta be it) by trentonkyle	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:24:23 PM
You don't like Oceans 11? Fine. I happened to enjoy it. However, 3000 Miles To Graceland sucked asshole. So did Very Bad Things. Showgirls is so bad that it's funny, which is the only reason anyone watches it. Oh yeah, The Godfather part II is one of the best movies EVER so how could it not be atop this list? (since you are including it as a Vegas flick). What you have done is shattered any ounce of credibility you have left on this site. Usually I am annoyed by all the insulting talk backs and language etc, but if there is one list that has ever deserved it, this is it. Flame On!
Where's the love for Vegas Vacation?? by 14byit	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:26:25 PM
C'mon, soooooo many better movies took place in vegas than the one's on the list, Honey I blew up The Baby, Wizard, Swingers (oh wait, that one is too good to be on the list) The show Vega$, aw hell, the joke was dumb to begin with, fuck me.
Sauron by Sultan0fSwat	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:38:24 PM
Could someone please tell me why Sauron was visible while wearing the ring? Thanks.. btw, I know this is not a FOTR talkbalk, but I feel that Sauron is closely related to Andy Garcia's character in that they are both antagonists. The fact that the 11 heisters are an odd number, much like the 9 of he fellowship, is also an eerie similarity. Arwen and Julia Roberts are alike in that they are both female! Anyway, why is Sauron visible when wearing the ring??????
OUTRAGE! WHERE IS HONEYMOON IN VEGAS?? by NotchJohnson	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:42:05 PM
OUTRAGE!! Where is 'Honeymoon in Vegas'? It had so many things that epitomize Vegas...the obsession with Elvis...the white-trash drive-thru wedding chapel..flashing clothes, overacting, James Caan sporting a very Vegas-like fake suntan. It had Elvises jumping out of a plane. Nicolas Cage acted like a complete gambling fool, making the bad decisions that explain why Vegas casinos have so much money to throw around. WHERE IS HONEYMOON IN VEGAS? Another thing, it has Vegas in the title. Jeez. Maybe if Nick Cage called himself Gandalf and grow a beard, these people would give it a break. Notch here, saying 'ride the big one.'
A racially-mixed Charlie's Angels? by Darth Boner	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:45:30 PM
I suppose Cameron Diaz (Latino) and Lucy Liu (Asian) are too white to be considered "ethnic", hm?
YET AGAIN A RIDICULOUS COLUMN AT AICN THAT MAKES YOUR EYES BURN by Big Dumb Ape	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:47:35 PM
You have to be kidding me. No really, YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. I'm not even gonna rag on the choice of 3000 Miles to Graceland since so many others jumped all over that piece fo trash, but give me a fucking break - you're actually going to list the fucking AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN as a "cooler" movie about Vegas than the Oceans 11 remake?!? WHAT does that even have to DO with Vegas other than a quick cheesy moment where the giant is superimposed walking past the strip (not even DOWN the strip, mind you) -- an optical that's piss poor at that, even for a low budget flick. Someone else said it best: either you guys now have it out for Clooney for not playing ball with you over something OR lately you're so in the pocket of New Line and on the payroll of LOTR you dweebs can't praise any other movie. AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN over OCEANS 11 my fucking ass. What a crock.
"Showgirls" just blew (pun intended) your credibility. by HateThaNet	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:51:17 PM
Having that piece of soft-core crap on this list makes the whole thing a joke.
3000 Minutes to Debasement by NiceMarmot	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:52:25 PM
So is this list compiled by how much Vegas is in it? How the hell else does 3000 Miles rank ahead of Godfather 2?!? And where's ConAir on this list? It had the Hard Rock Casino located on the Strip, so you know it's good!
A Las Vegas perspective by Redbeard_NV	Jan 2nd, 2002 06:52:48 PM
As a guy who has lived inside the "resort corridor" as we call the East/West boarders of the Strip zone (Paradise to the East, Valley View to the West), as well as viewing life from up on Black Mountain and down at the damn dam, I am most disappointed at the lack of mention of "Diamonds Are Forever". The chase scenes around the older downtown area, pre-Fremont Street Experience, the total lack of anything but desert East of Paradise Road (now home to UNLV, amongst many other things) and the International Hotel (now the Hilton) adapted to the double sized Whyte House in minatures, as well as what was then the brand spanking new Circus Circus, complete with a classy John Barry score, Jill St.John in that three-D glasses bikini and the ever so kinky Bambi and Thumper! BTW, the bending of the laws of physics in "Con Air" still twists our heads around like Linda Blair, considering three right turns, two lefts and Cage basically goes back and forth between Downtown, the mid-strip and manages to wind up in the 3rd Street tunnel in Downtown Los Angeles is rather interesting (throw in moving the Hard Rock two miles West from it's home on Harmon & Paradise to the Strip).
I don't think people "got" the point of the Ocean's Elev by superhero	Jan 2nd, 2002 07:19:10 PM
I mean were people really expecting a hardcore Vegas caper flick? They were RE-MAKING Ocean's Eleven. Not "re-imagining" it! The re-make is for our time what the original was for its time. A breezy, silly, fun piece of not-take-too seriously Hollywood egoism. Sinatra and the pack set out to make a "Hey, watch all the big stars romp around and have fun!" sorta flick and that's EXACTLY what Clooney and his gang did. What did you expect from a cast that included people like Julia Roberts and George Clooney? I mean did anyone read ANY of the press for this re-make? They just set out to have fun making a flick, not to do something on the level of Ben Hur! Did you honestly expect anything more? If you did you really have NO idea what Hollywood is all about. Please, Julia Roberts in anything that might be edgy and doesn't make her look like America's sweetheart? Pay attention to who is in the movies you go to see!!!!! Morons...
3000 Miles To Graceland is complete and utter BALLSACK. by Black Jesus	Jan 2nd, 2002 07:57:32 PM
the fact that that movie is even on this list AT ALL... nevermind it being # fucking 2... jesus christ... i came out of months of talkback retirement just to say that.
Sultan by Znosaro	Jan 2nd, 2002 07:59:17 PM
Apparently, Sauron lost his original physical form way before he became all powerful. I think his suit of armor was just a shell. Why his outer rainment didn't dissapear like everyone else who puts it on, I don't know. But, since the Ring IS his... maybe it has a different affect. The affect is different on different people... Although he didn't put it on, the Ring had no affect on Tom Bombadil in the actual book. Even the novel says Isildur cut it off Saurons hand, so it stands to reason he WAS visible and it wasn't creative license by the director. I think the real answer is that the ring simply works differently with him. I'm no expert though :-)
does anyone here... by seacaptain	Jan 2nd, 2002 08:29:37 PM
...actually enjoy 3000 Miles to Graceland? Besides Father Geek there? Seriously. There's no way that film is still even on the resumes of anyone involved in its making.
Ocean's 11 by Billy Talent	Jan 2nd, 2002 08:39:31 PM
Haven't seen it yet, but it looks like a reasonable entertainment, and the reviews have been mostly positive. I'll probabaly see this one on DVD. It's hard to imagine how anyone could have gotten their hopes up too high for this though. I just don't see what the deal is with Soderbergh. He seems like a competent journeyman, but not a great director. 'Erin Brokovich' came on the heels of two similar but clearly superior films, 'The Insider' and 'A Civil Action'. And I've seen Oliver Stone movies that were more insightful and thought provoking than 'Traffic', which ranks up there with 'Psycho' among the more pointless remakes of recent years. Perhaps he can do something original next time out; however I'll be perfectly content if I never see another of his films.
I played Showgirls at the at Midnight for my new years eve party by MentallyMariah	Jan 2nd, 2002 09:09:01 PM
Talk about Hysterical and a FUN MOVIE PARTY! I had twenty of my buds laughing, and everytime Crystal O Conners, Gina, said WHORE, everyone had to do a SHOT! THE BEST PARTY MOVIE EVER! Showgirls is a classic in it's own! When was the last time we have seen something like that at the cinemas? Bring back some CAMP!
Don't quit your day job, Father Geek.... by CoolDan989	Jan 2nd, 2002 09:13:39 PM
All this list is missing is Battlefield Earth and Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes. Judging from your sense of taste, Ocean's Eleven should be fantastic! I should know, I saw it last weekend! Everyone go out and buy movie tickets to Ocean's Eleven! Father Geek, you go out and buy a life.
OCEANS 11 sucks but....... by mooncake	Jan 2nd, 2002 09:14:21 PM
yeah i thought OCEANS 11 sucked but it CAN'T be worse than 3000 Miles!!! no way. kevin costner should be forever banned to do any films anymore.
Is there a planet where 3,000 miles to Las Vegas is a better mov by CorranHorn	Jan 2nd, 2002 09:31:25 PM
And if so...what color is the sky there?
I haven't posted in 2 years, but I just threw up by Spacey	Jan 2nd, 2002 10:03:16 PM
This is the worst list I have ever read in my life...I am questioning the right of the human race to be the dominate species on the planets because of this list. 3000 Miles to Graceland????? I'm sad.
I'm still so distraught about this article I'm never com by Spacey	Jan 2nd, 2002 10:09:51 PM
Anyone else? Spacey - AICN Visitor - 1997-2002
Wow by AsgardTex	Jan 2nd, 2002 10:14:08 PM
Very Bad Things? One of the worst movies ever. Watching it made me want to rip my eyes out with spoons. Ugh.
Only thing worse then seeing 3000 miles... by JdRavnos	Jan 2nd, 2002 10:55:10 PM
... is watching it sober while your friends watch it drunk. I don't drink, but that movie wished I did. Very Bad Things is probably as bad if not worse.
stupid by marlonv	Jan 2nd, 2002 10:57:14 PM

stupid by marlonv	Jan 2nd, 2002 10:59:23 PM
i cannot believe you liked the original o11. it was a boring and very uncool film. the remake is more visually stunning and very fun. so what if nobody gave an oscarworthy performance, it was still a hoot.
PLEASE say that this is a joke. by Homer Jay	Jan 2nd, 2002 11:05:36 PM
Sweet Jesus, what a messed-up list. 3000 Miles To Graceland?? Very Bad Things?? SHOWGIRLS?!?!?!? I think I speak for most here that Father Geek has lost ALL his credibility with this list. With the exception of its cinematography, am I the only one that thinks Six-String Samurai is totally horrible?
WORST...LIST...EVER by Homer Jay	Jan 2nd, 2002 11:16:43 PM
Harry and his father I think are the living embodiments of the "Comic Book Store Guy" on The Simpsons. All one has to do is look at this list of films that Father Geek DID like to determine that Oceans 11 is indeed an enjoyable film worth your time. Un-freakin-believable, I'm at a loss for words.
I hate to bring back painful memories of "3000 Miles", but what by Elgyn6655321	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:09:15 AM
You know a movie truly sucks when even Jon Lovitz looks embarressed to be in it.
Harry your old man been taking his medication? by spidermanfreak20	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:22:12 AM
WHOA I cant believe he would say 300 miles to grace crap is better than Casino? Thats like saying Godfather 3 was better than Godfather 2. No No Its like saying well that 3000 miles of gracecrap is better than FUCKING CASINO! But what can I expect from the father of Harry. Hell Harry said he loved Godzilla 1998 then after a second viewing he said he hated it. Which is bullshit because he knows he loves it. Hell try to find the review of Godzilla 1998 he deleted it because he was getting flamed.
Gotta Chime In by Mr.Klaw	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:24:16 AM
3000 Miles to Graceland was so bad I couldn't finish watching it. It's one of only 2 times in my life I've walked out on a film, the other being Peter Hyam's wretched 2010. The thing that got me the worst is that you had a cool cast, a good conceit, and the wrong cast memeber (Slater) dying way too early in the movie. Personal choice for death: David Arquette. Why does Kevin Costner survive in Hollywood? Shouldn't someone plant a gerbil up his ass or something to humiliate him out of the public eye? And on the subject of favorite Vegas flicks, gotta agree with Honeymoon in Vegas, and throw in Diamonds are Forever just because it's a Bond Vegas flick with Connery in it.
Godfather II & Las Vegas by Brother Putney	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:27:22 AM
Okay, I may have been at work too long but... didn't all the significant Vegas related stuff in the Godfather films take place in Godfather 1? In Godfather 2, it was Reno and Cuba. Anyway, at first I thought the Knowles guys were picking on "Ocean's 11," but perhaps they have a point. "Ocean's 11" was a fun, skillfully made little Sunday afternoon romp but, in light of Soderbergh's eagerness to break new ground, yes, it could've been a completely different and more sophisticated animal. However, as another wise critic known for his girth is wont to say, "You have to criticize a movie for what it IS, rather than what it is NOT."
SWINGERS is the best Vegas movie ever. by Cash Bailey	Jan 3rd, 2002 01:22:52 AM
Because it shows the place for the tragic graveyard for the pant-suited walking dead that it is. Mind you, that 'Dorothy' waitress was cute as hell.
PEOPLE!! CHILL OUT!! by spiderblood1969	Jan 3rd, 2002 01:32:22 AM
Father Geek is entitled to his opinion.His opinion is not right or wrong,its just an opinion.Take me for example,when the AFI named Citizen Kane the #1 of all time I thought WTF because I did not like it.There I said it.I DO NOT LIKE CITIZEN KANE!!That doesn't mean its a bad movie it just means in my little world its not a good movie.Hell,one of my favorite movies is Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze which I would much rather watch than Citizen Kane.Opinions are like assholes,everybody has one and there are far too many of them. Seeya!! :)
I'm with Spacey by shaggy-g	Jan 3rd, 2002 01:38:45 AM
I consider myself an intelligent person and between this story and all the geeks flipping out about Star Wars above, I've officially had it with the site and the fucking nerds, geeks and naughty talking little boys who think they are cool because they recite the same catch phrases over and over and rip on each other.. I'm officially lowering my self to your level and saying fuck off you silly fuckers all of you go jack off to Lord of the Rings and Buffy for the rest off your lives. Please try to get out off the house once in awhile and try to get laid.. I feel like shit now because I let you guys get to me. Shaggy-g signing off.. saying fuck off.
Ocean's 11 vs F.G. - My First Post EVER by MrFire	Jan 3rd, 2002 01:42:47 AM
Well, now that we've got THAT nasty business behind us, we'll all have to wait for the lovely rebuttal telling us all how silly we are and that 3000 Miles to Graceland is truly an ass-kicking flick and Showgirls is just mindless entertainment and didn't set out to be anything else. I guess that's the problem with reviewing movies, everything is subjective; and expectations do have an influence on how a movie is received. In other news, I had to create my first account here just because the talkback was pretty apparent in it's disbelief of FG list...which I share completely...It's one thing to not like a movie, but just say you didn't like it personally. Don't create a list of movies that are just as bad, if not worse, and then try to put them all under a 'Vegas' heading. It looks to me like someone was desperate for line padding ;)
Machine Gun McCain by candylegcoat	Jan 3rd, 2002 03:28:58 AM
From someone whose actually seen Machine Gun McCain (and has a copy e-mail johnnyclay83@Hotmail.com)...Ji m Morrison isn't fucking in Machine Gun McCain, shouldn't you know this if it's your 'favorite' Vegas film? jesus.
Hittin' that crack, are we?? by SLASH0723	Jan 3rd, 2002 04:32:55 AM
3000 miles to Graceland? Showgirls (personally, I just wanted to see Elizabeth Berkley nude, but that's it)? And these sre over Godfather II AND Casino? I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue for any of this to make sense. I'd much rather go see "Not Another Teen Movie" again than try to figure this travesty of a list.
This is the funniest non-PeteyWheatstraw-affiliated TB I can rem by Almost Sexy	Jan 3rd, 2002 04:35:20 AM
Thanks guys, for keeping the focus on clarity, not disparity. I love all of you. I've only been to Las Vegas once, and I hope I never go back (I know it feels the same way about me). To me, Vegas itself is a movie, and a very frightening one.
Jim Morrison - NOT in Machine Gun McCain by Glenn69	Jan 3rd, 2002 05:30:32 AM
Sorry to be a pedant, Father Geek but are you SURE you've actually seen Machine Gun McCain? So far as I know, the only films that the late be-leathered Door was in were the '60s Doors 'rockumentary' Feast Of Friends (in which he had a hand in the making), The Doors At The Roundhouse, Doors promo clips and the films Morrison made at UCLA. Might you perhaps be thinking of another Jim Morrison, i.e. this one, as described by Hollywood.com?... James Morrison Vital Stats: Birth Name: Born: April 21, 1953 Birth Place: Bountiful, Utah Nationality: American Bio: Morrison began his acting career as a clown and wire-walker for the Carson and Barnes Wild Animal Circus. He subsequently won kudos and awards for his many performances on the Los Angeles stage including "El Salvador", "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" and the world premiere of Lee Blessing's "Down the Road". An accomplished playwright, Morrison has seen his work produced at The Sundance Institute, Los Angeles Theatre Works and The MET Theatre. ...otherwise, enjoyed your list very much.
And these..... by Spacesheik	Jan 3rd, 2002 05:58:56 AM
THE BALTIMORE BULLET with James Coburn and Omar Sharif, MARS ATTACKS! with Tom Jones and Jim Brown, CAT'S EYE with James Woods and Drew Barrymore, DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER with Sean Connery, FEVER PITCH with Ryan O'Neal, and some others I can't think of, due to my "cheese factor" mentality.
Ri-Goddamn-Diculous by IHateThisSite	Jan 3rd, 2002 06:52:08 AM
I jumped into the talkbacks for the 1st time just to say that this list has to be one of the more monumentally stupid things I've read on ANY movie rumour/fanboy site. Harry's litany of Graft and Blatant Favoritism aside, watching a father cover his adult son's ass by backing him up on an incorrect opinion(just because everyone is allowed the freedom to have opinions, doesn't make them right) is what's both comedic and pathetic. Older Knowles, your son(a full grown man closer to 30 than 20 yrs. of age and still living at home) shouldn't need you come to his rescue when people call him a dolt(rightly so) for carrying on some vendetta against a film that was entertaining and fun. Soderbergh, Clooney, Pitt, Roberts, Garcia, Damon, Gould, Reiner and that cast and crew collectively have forgotten more about acting in films and making films than you and your silly pseudonymed crew pruport to know. Your "list" is absurd and shreds whatever credibility someone may have bestowed on you because your son started some movie website. Your son's cred was dashed on the proverbial rocks somewhere between crying at Armageddon and recanting on Emmerich & Devlin's Godzilla. Oh...by the by, Harry outing some alleged girlfriend in NY (Hey geeks...that's near Canada, where your pretend girlfriends live. See, Harry's pretend girlfriend lives somewhere far away from him so that explains to his dad and friends why he's never seen with her out or.....nevermind) as being a chubby chaser and a bathroom harlot was worth Harry and Drew McWeeny's combined weight in comedy gold.....or Magic the Gathering cards...whichever you tools find more valuable. Stop enabling your son to continue to act like a child(pweasants?!?) and selling his soul for the chance to be used and abused by the Film industry. Michael Bay still taking your calls? Precisely. Idiots. Stop being fanboy dicks. That's nothing to be proud of. 3000 Miles To Wherever better than Godfather 2 (Reno, NV.) or Casino or Swingers(unlisted!) or Leaving Las Vegas. Retard.
Laughs and laughs...this has to be a joke....right? Please? Ha by chiknfriedelfsac	Jan 3rd, 2002 07:47:32 AM
You know, I haven't seen 3000 Miles to Graceland. So perhaps I shouldn't judge. How can I criticize it when I haven't even seen it? But, sometimes, just once in a while, you don't have to see a movie to judge it. Never mind Kevin Costner, he has actually been in some great movies, even if they are far outnumbered by his mega-duds. Never mind Kurt Russell, he's been in a few decent flicks, again despite the numerous atrocities. I won't even touch on Courtney Cox or Christian Slater. But this movie has ICE T and DAVID ARQUETTE IN IT? I can say, with utmost confidence, that no movie with either Ice T or David Arquette in it could possibly be good. But in this movie you have BOTH!! That's CINEMATIC DYNAMITE!! Could you possibly have a worse cast? I personally don't feel that Casino is one of Scorcese's absolute best, but still...a middling Scorcese movie is a masterwork for almost anyone else. I'm going to pretend I didn't see Godfather II on that list. Not at number 9. It simply couldn't be. I must have fallen asleep at the keyboard and be in the middle of some surreal dream.
Laughs and laughs...this has to be a joke....right? Please? Ha by chiknfriedelfsac	Jan 3rd, 2002 07:51:58 AM
You know, I haven't seen 3000 Miles to Graceland. So perhaps I shouldn't judge. How can I criticize it when I haven't even seen it? But, sometimes, just once in a while, you don't have to see a movie to judge it. Never mind Kevin Costner, he has actually been in some great movies, even if they are far outnumbered by his mega-duds. Never mind Kurt Russell, he's been in a few decent flicks, again despite the numerous atrocities. I won't even touch on Courtney Cox or Christian Slater. But this movie has ICE T and DAVID ARQUETTE IN IT? I can say, with utmost confidence, that no movie with either Ice T or David Arquette in it could possibly be good. But in this movie you have BOTH!! That's CINEMATIC DYNAMITE!! Could you possibly have a worse cast? I personally don't feel that Casino is one of Scorcese's absolute best, but still...a middling Scorcese movie is a masterwork for almost anyone else. I'm going to pretend I didn't see Godfather II on that list. Not at number 9. It simply couldn't be. I must have fallen asleep at the keyboard and be in the middle of some surreal dream.
3000 Miles kicked ass!!!! in a silly way. by Plissken73	Jan 3rd, 2002 08:34:22 AM

yes!! Vindication by bluemartini	Jan 3rd, 2002 08:38:41 AM
Finally. As I said all along 3000 miles IS a good movie. Opinion vindicated...Hah!! Watched it again to confirm (as it has been awhile) as, while that kid shits me to tears, the rest of the movie is good. And to someone earlier who was bemoaning Arquettes inclusion, surely you appreciate the payoff...? ps Very Bad Things is one of the best black comedies in a long time. I also agree that Casino and Swingers (the coolest Vegas flick - possibly) should have placed better.
3000 Miles kicked ass!!!! in a silly way. by Plissken73	Jan 3rd, 2002 08:45:11 AM
Come on people. Relax. I'm not saying 3000 Miles was a great movie by any means but it sure as hell was fun. I can't explain the CGI scorpion fight at the beginning but it was cool. I have not liked Kevin Costner in a long time but I actually thought he did a good job at being a bad son of a bitch in this. Christian Slater died far too early, thankfully so did Arquette. Kurt Russell was solid as usual. Cox was'nt great but she did'nt ruin it. I usually hate Ice-T, he has not made a good movie in years if ever but for the 2 or 3 lines he had, he was good. The kid did'nt even annoy me. It was no Memento, Moulin Rouge, Brotherhood Of The Wolf or Lord Of The Rings. It was just a fun, bullshit movie. The end credits were great.
1) Casnio kind of sucked and 2) IHateThisSite guy, are you Ron W by ItsOver	Jan 3rd, 2002 08:52:14 AM
1) Come on it did. Another style over substance movie. I enjoy the first hour where they chronicle how these casinos work, great stuff. The story is weak, just cruise control (come on, can anyone tell me why anyone liked Peschi in Goodfellas much less him playing the same one-note character again?) That being said, its still loads better than most of the laughably bad movies on this list. Forget the taste police, call the goddamned s.w.a.t. team. 2) Funny fucking post man.
april 1st isn't for another 3 months, dickless..... by thegoldencalf	Jan 3rd, 2002 09:03:55 AM
....i mean come on, all the rest could (in a drunken stupor) be put down to personal taste, but SHOWGIRLS!!!! give me your fucking job, you ungrateful bastard.
oh yeah and.... by thegoldencalf	Jan 3rd, 2002 09:15:14 AM
....i'm never reading a father geek post ever again.
Plisken76 (sorry is that's wrong) by bluemartini	Jan 3rd, 2002 09:27:37 AM
My sentiments exactly... except for the kid being a major pain in the ass (klepto... hmmph!). And to all of you proclaiming this to be the WORST movie of the year... you obviously did not endure Tom Green manually masturbating a horse AND and elephant while chewing through an umbilical cord.. (ok the sausages were funny BUT THAT IS ALL)
Um, well, at least it wasn't a "Lord of the Rings" article by Uga	Jan 3rd, 2002 10:54:23 AM
OK, it's fine to say "everybody is entitled to their own opinion." But I wholeheartedly endorse NOT having everybody entitled their own opinion - at least not when their opinion is this f**kin' dumb. I think Father Geek should be forced to watch "Swingers" over and over "Clockwork Orange"-style, with his eyes clamped open.
Hehehehehe... by wasp	Jan 3rd, 2002 11:26:51 AM
heeheehehehehahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA HA! Whew, boy, good laugh.
3000 Miles to Graceland by AutomaticMachine	Jan 3rd, 2002 11:39:59 AM
Christ, it's just Father Geek's opinion. I understand the venom but cut the man some slack. I loved the damned thing. I'd watch Kurt Russell read a phone book for two hours and the movie never aspires to be more than a glorified B-movie. Take it for face value and stop trying to mine the depths for a deeper meaning.
This Idiot List by Keyser195	Jan 3rd, 2002 11:42:30 AM
Okay, I've had issues with some of Father Geek's comments in the past, especially recently, such as calling "Lord of the Rings" the best movie he's ever seen in his entire life of movie-going. I love FOTR, love it, but let's be honest, people. It's not "The Godfather," or "Chinatown" or "Vertigo" or even "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." As for this idiot list, it doesn't make me angry. Just sad. First of all, I can't imagine he's seen "Godfather II," because there's maybe two scenes that even COULD be Vegas, but I think they're all in Reno. Anyone who's seen "Swingers" would declare it a top Vegas movie, so I guess he hasn't seen that either, and the old "Ocean's Eleven" is so much worse than the admittedly mediocre contemporary remake that putting it higher on a list of favorites is the equivalent of film review masturbation...convincing yourself that older movies are better than newer ones because they're, well, OLDER. And, like that, I'm gone...
Ah, Father Geek, what a joker you are... by wasp	Jan 3rd, 2002 11:54:31 AM
...because this simply has to be a joke, right? It HAS to be a joke, I mean, it's that or Father Geek has gone off the deep end and was giggling to himself like Jack Nicholson from The Shining when he wrote this list. Sure, everyone has their own opinion and so forth, but this isn't an opinion, this is insanity! Or a straight-faced joke. It's not April 1st is it? I mean everyone else has beat this horse to death, but I simply had to say something, and I almost never post here. The idea that a film buff such as Father Geek might possibly put 3000 Miles to Graceland above Casino, Fear and Loathing, Leaving Las Vegas, Godfather II...it boggles the mind. Seriously, it's like trying to contemplate infinity. It's incomprehensible. I mean the list as a whole is rather screwy, but the sheer terror of 3000 Miles to Graceland in the Number 2 spot is so overwhelming, it's like Dave's trip at the end of A Space Odyssey. Far out. Never mind Ocean's 11 being 20th...I mean, face it, the movie is rather bland entertainment--apt and fairly well-done, but pedestrian and nothing to write home about. That said, it's a freaking Monet masterpiece compared to the atrocity that is 3000 Miles to Graceland. OK, so Father Geek has his tastes which no one can argue with, but then some people have a taste for man-flesh. That doesn't make cannibalism OK, now does it? No offense, FG, because I know that there is none taken seeing as you are simply pulling people's legs or are so jacked up on drugs that you would probably take this post as a compliment. I mean 3MtG=2 and Casino=5 or whatever it is...that's like a mathematical impossibility. I disagree with your statement that Casino is Scorsese at his best; I personally think it's Scorsese at his most unfocused and self-derivative. Nevertheless, Casino is STILL a good movie and trillions of light years ahead of 3MtG in every single bloody aspect. Furthermore, Casino does not begin with a CG Scorpion brawl that looks like something out of Reboot. In fact, there are no CG scorpions in Casino at all, thank the Almighty for that. Ay, my head hurts. This list is either the most hilarious or the most deranged film list I have ever seen. I wish they'd offer a Subjectivity of Film Criticism 101 class at my college so that I might have some well-developed theories which might allow me to begin to comprehend what I see now before my eyes. Every time I read it my brain begins to slosh around and my eyes water and I begin to feel queasy...it's like trying to draw a square with two lines or, or...it's like in Aronofsky's Pi, when the mathematician finds his own brain in the subway station and starts poking it. Thank you, FG, for truly frying my mind. I feel nirvana coming on. By the way, FotR and Memento are the two best movies I've seen this year. I'm not crazy yet.
What about Cool World? by Redbeard_NV	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:19:41 PM
OK, not Bakshi's best, but the sight of Vegas being turned into one long jam jession of animation was great...then again, some of us locals would probably never notice the difference.
funny by Juggernaut125	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:22:33 PM
Where's Rat Race on this list of Vegas flicks? Shouldn't it be just ahead of say "Leaving Las Vegas"? Now THAT would be funny!
Are you Crazy???? by Soldier_	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:38:46 PM
3000 Miles to Graceland better then Ocean's Eleven? You just lost all of my respect, Father Geek.
I repeat: THE FREAKIN' AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN?!? Madness, I s by Big Dumb Ape	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:57:47 PM
I repeat again: You think the waste of film stock, totally lame-ass THE AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN is a better and cooler "Vegas" movie than Clooney and crew in OCEANS 11??? Wow. So THIS is hell. Between this sorry list and the Lucas N'Sync news I must be dreaming...no really, I must still be still asleep. But it's okay, it's okay. I'll wake up from this nightmare soon and all will be right in the world again...
Perdita by VincentSpain	Jan 3rd, 2002 12:59:13 PM
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Father Geek by rickrza	Jan 3rd, 2002 01:03:24 PM
Can any idiot just send you guys a list of their favorite movies and have you post it? How can you in good conscience post an all-time vegas movies list that is so off base. I can't take this site serious anymore. Any list the mentions 3000 miles to graceland and the original rat pack ocean's 11 does not deserve to be published. I was shocked not to see National Lampoons Vegas Vaction in Father Geek's top, he was that far off. And this site gives this man a voice! I am out raged!
I had diarrhea in zero-g by Lardass_Hogan	Jan 3rd, 2002 02:17:02 PM
And the result was more amusing than "Very Bad Things."
How can someone drink this early in the morning? by Obi1Balony	Jan 3rd, 2002 02:20:23 PM
YOU must have been completely drunk, high and out of your mind when you wrote this list. Can Godfather 2 even be considered a Vegas film? Showgirls before this great entertainment? AND 3000 MILES TO GRACELAND!?!!?! Harry, never let this guy write another word for this website, what a waste of space. Speaking of space, let's let him write one more thing for laughs.....great sci-fi....1.Supernova? 2.Ghosts of Mars? 3.I Come In Peace? Which of these classics is YOUR favorite?
bluemartini - I saw "3000 Miles" and "Freddy Got Fingered". "30 by Elgyn6655321	Jan 3rd, 2002 02:32:02 PM

What about Swingers!!! by Halloween68	Jan 3rd, 2002 02:38:57 PM
Okay, not an all the way Vegas movie, but more of one than Godfather 2... And it has the feel of a Vegas movie all the way through, even though it most of the time takes place in LA.
One of the funniest talkbacks ever, and 3000 Miles by Darth TJ Mackey	Jan 3rd, 2002 03:06:37 PM
(My fave is still the SCARFACE 2: SON OF TONY tb; that one just floored me.) I understand that taste is subjective and all that, but I admit I am now curious enough to see 3000 Miles To Graceland (or 3KM2G I suppose for y'all hipster types) based on this and other mentions. This guy in another talkback wrote a fascinating looong discourse on the films of 2001 which wavered between high insight and high bullshit (you know, Freddy Got Fingered as cutting edge Dadaist form exercise, etc), including raves about 3KM2G. I can't help but think it is like those Hasselhoff album reviews on Amazon that ALL assert that "the song 'HOT SHOT CITY' is particularly good", and that I am being had. You win though Father Geek, I'm gonna rent it just to see, which otherwise I probably would not have done. And I am a diehard Elvis fan who is celebrating a religious holiday next Tuesday (the King's birthday!), so go figure.
this is what it has come down to... by Goose42	Jan 3rd, 2002 03:42:21 PM
It's lists and stories like this that destroy the credibility of this website. People want to have their cake and eat it too - AICN wants to be both "geeky" and for the "fans" AND considered powerful in Hollywood. But this stuff completely chips away at both these valued foundations. I swear both Harry and Father Geek do things like this to test how much they can affect a certain movie. Why else take shots at it. It wasn't great, alright, and yet such vitriol. And another thing - take a look at both their best of lists, aside from a few movies switched around in the order they are just about the same. It's as though one is attempting to "validate" the other's movie going "hipness." Jebus, just report on the things that made you what you are...if you gradually got more professional (i.e. - got a spell check) sure there would be a few to yell "Sell Out" but that would be the minority as long as your news was still accurate. It's ludicrous the amount of direct self conflicts this website spawns (the latest is the ridiculous - I hate Top 10 lists so much that I have crafted one). Come clean - operate in a manner that is at least imaginary professionalism...you did it guys! you became successful from the ground up. There's no reason to pretend you're still rooting through the garbage with the rest of us. Oh and a Vegas movie I haven't heard mentioned yet that I think should get some attention - Hard 8 anyone? Everybody else on the site has an erection for Anderson...are you telling me Father Geek would rank that below Showgirls?
this is what it has come down to... by Goose42	Jan 3rd, 2002 03:42:39 PM
It's lists and stories like this that destroy the credibility of this website. People want to have their cake and eat it too - AICN wants to be both "geeky" and for the "fans" AND considered powerful in Hollywood. But this stuff completely chips away at both these valued foundations. I swear both Harry and Father Geek do things like this to test how much they can affect a certain movie. Why else take shots at it. It wasn't great, alright, and yet such vitriol. And another thing - take a look at both their best of lists, aside from a few movies switched around in the order they are just about the same. It's as though one is attempting to "validate" the other's movie going "hipness." Jebus, just report on the things that made you what you are...if you gradually got more professional (i.e. - got a spell check) sure there would be a few to yell "Sell Out" but that would be the minority as long as your news was still accurate. It's ludicrous the amount of direct self conflicts this website spawns (the latest is the ridiculous - I hate Top 10 lists so much that I have crafted one). Come clean - operate in a manner that is at least imaginary professionalism...you did it guys! you became successful from the ground up. There's no reason to pretend you're still rooting through the garbage with the rest of us. Oh and a Vegas movie I haven't heard mentioned yet that I think should get some attention - Hard 8 anyone? Everybody else on the site has an erection for Anderson...are you telling me Father Geek would rank that below Showgirls?
What about MUSTANG, the 1970s brothel documentary? by Electric Tsunami	Jan 3rd, 2002 09:37:10 PM
Actually it was located nearer to Reno but it is still a better film than 3000 Miles To Graceland (and those miles were measured from Idaho!).
I quote the Dude...... by Homer Jay	Jan 3rd, 2002 09:38:49 PM
"Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
Senility is not kind! by Scatchard	Jan 4th, 2002 10:19:07 AM
I won't even mention how you think Showgirls is better than not only Ocean's Eleven but also Swingers and Honeymoon in Vegas. Or how you hold is such high regard the original or how you seem to be under the impression it came in 1968 (actually 1960). But I will say it would be nice if the Knowles clan would move on past their dislike of Ocean's Eleven. It, like so many of us, is getting old.
Please tell me it's April 1st...or are you trying to make me by Sloppy Slacks	Jan 4th, 2002 02:28:22 PM
Literally reading this list I was laughing. This HAS to be a fucking joke. I bet that half of the readers out there of this site can agree with me that the new version of Ocean's 11 is so much better than the old one. I mean, come on now. Yeah, yeah, the old movie had the original Rat Pack. I understand the coolness behind that, but that's about the only thing that keeps the lame movie together. The new Ocean's 11 in my opinion is one of the best fucking movies that came out this year. Good story, acting, characters, music, settings, camerawork, and all that other hoopla. Look, I'll admit, I probably only watch about 60-70 movies a year. I love movies, and if I could afford going all the time, and I didn't care about my social life at all, I'd be right in that theatre everyday. But com'on, you can't have seen 300+ movies and call this one the most disappointing. Look, I agree with the guy up top that said the Knowles' need to get out a little bit more and booz it up and socialize. It would probably help them get a better touch on reality. Anyway, enough of my blithering.
Help my site's been hijacked by a terrorist posting horrible by corvette63	Jan 4th, 2002 08:04:38 PM
3000 Miles to Graceland? Showgirls? 6 String Samurai? You got jokes eh? Ocean's 11 actually rocked in my opinion even though it reminded me a bit of The Score with DeNiro. Speaking of which, where is the Score on everyone's best of 2001 lists? That movie was tons better than some of the crap that's been touted.
The problem with other people's opinions is by Drath	Jan 5th, 2002 08:33:25 AM
they belong to other people. Redundant but true. Nice to know Harry's dad had way too many expectations about what Ocean's Eleven should have been too. I loved it and I won't read any more "it was a let down" shit. And AI was fantastic!
Ass. by KILLAVANILLA	Jan 5th, 2002 10:20:57 PM
Hole. Get some taste in movies. Scooby in only a matter of months my friend.
SHOWGIRLS?!? Are you out of your effing mind? by Zippo	Jan 6th, 2002 04:33:36 PM
I'll have to remember that your opinions don't mean shit to me anymore.
ain't it a dumbfuckin review by chow-the-killer	Jan 6th, 2002 09:12:46 PM
This review makes me feel like torching my own farts. What a fucked up top 20 that is! And Machine Gun McCain at no.1? You fuckheads love that movie just because Tarantino loves it - get your own opinion for fuck's sake. How d'you get to be a reviewer for a site which gets so many hits? Ah forget about it, the site belongs to Harry "if I get invited to a set, the movie is automatically an instant classic" Knowles. At least the site's great for movie news, the rest sucks D-I-C-K.
ocean's 11 by DEACON DAN	Feb 1st, 2002 09:21:28 PM
3,000 miles better than ocean's 11? Please. I walked out of 3 films my whole life and 3,000 miles was one of them. And the original ocean's was terrible also, you could have had the rat pack reading out of the yellow pages for two hours and it still would have been cool because they're the coolest cats ever but that doesn't make it a good movie.

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