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PART 2: Quint Rings In Halloween With A Chat With Robert Englund!!!

I Have Nothing Useful To Contribute by GEEKBASHER v3.0	Oct 31st, 2001 05:37:23 PM
Pretty much like this site...
i don't get the dirty joke by Ben fong Torres	Oct 31st, 2001 05:43:36 PM

Okay by Mac Styran	Oct 31st, 2001 06:18:52 PM
So even Freddy himself doesn't know much about "Freddy vs Jason"... I really begin to think that this movie turns out to be a bad idead... and I am a fan of both series. We don't get that much insight into Robert, Quint. How about some more ... personal questions? The dirty joke Q was nice... One last thing: no picture of you and Freddy on the top of the article, Quint? My 2001 cents Mac
btw by Mac Styran	Oct 31st, 2001 06:22:26 PM
Ben, I didn't get the joke either...
Bug on Horror by Ambush Bug	Oct 31st, 2001 07:52:12 PM
Well, once again we are teased with the promise of a new Freddy vs. Jason. Steven Norrington at the helm? That would be interesting, but I think I heard he is busy doing a J-Lo movie or Ghost RIder or something. Whoever is making this film needs to realize that the Scream-like tongue in cheek, self referential film is dead. If you want to put humor in the film, make it the blackest of humor. Make us giggle and then say, "Aww Man that is so wrong." and feel bad for laughing at it. Like when Jason slammed that chick in the sleeping bag against the tree or when Freddy moved the guy around like a puppet with his veins as strings. That's the type of humor a horror film needs. The problem with Friday films and Nightmare films and Halloween films and Chainsaw films is that the fans are too busy cheering for the killer and not scared of him anymore. We want to see these kids massacred because they are too annoying or too pretty or just too badly written for us to care for anyone but the guy with the butcher knife. Nightmare on Elm Street worked because we established a good herione, Nancy, and followed her through nightmares and hosptial visits and personal hells with her disfunctional family. We cared for her and cheered when she blew up Freddy with the exploding lightbulb. Same thing goes for Friday films. In the Final Chapter, say what you want about Corey Feldman, but he did a good job in that film. First he was a kid. The audience loves cute kids. He was a horror fan who made masks and everyone watching the movie was a horror fan or they wouldn't be there. He had a hot sister and peeped on the skinny dipping chicks next door. Once again, we cheered when Tommy whacked Jason's mongliodian skull with a machete and sent the hockey mask flying. Because the later films in the F13 and Elm Street series casted brainless pretty boys and girls, the audience shifted gears and began rooting for the bad guy because he was the only interesting guy on screen. I hope they try to add an interesting character to the Freddy vs. Jason movie to make them the bad guys we grew to love in the first few films of each series. I surely do not want a Frankenstein vs. Wolf Man story where we get a few seocnds of Freddy and Jason grappling over a cliff and then falling into the abyss. Yawn. Barker did a great job of creating horror at different levels in the first Hellraiser. There aren't too many horror films out there that do this, but it is extremely affective. Jason is the physical threat, while Freddy is the more powerful threat. I would love to see Freddy in Jason's dreams, trying to manipulate him, but also being scared himself at what is going on inside that big skull of Jason's. Freddy could twist and manipulate Jason for a while, but the real climax should be where Jason has had enough and grabs Freddy before waking up, pulling Freddy into the real world for Jason to get a little payback. I always saw Jason as a victim. He wouldn't be dead if not for those horny camp counselors. Jason is just fulfilling the orders of his dead mother. His development was cut off when he was still a child. He doesn't really know what he is doing. Freddy is an evil person. He kills and manipulates children. He is the more powerful of the two because he manipulates weaknesses and exploits them. New Line must realize that the reason these characters are stars is because they have done some dispicable acts. Stop trying to make them jokes and make this one a brutal, gory, scary flick that would make those of us who grew up on this stuff happy. More on this later. Bug, out.
Accurate call, Bug by MCVamp	Oct 31st, 2001 10:20:58 PM
Although the "let's pull Freddy into the real world" bit isn't exactly new, but who cares? The more Freddy and Jason and whoever have seemed like the "heroes" of the movie, the more the movies have suffered. Yes, the audience loves these guys. That doesn't mean you have to pander to the audience and change what made the audience like them to begin with...how utterly badass evil they were. My biggest problem with "Hannibal" was that Hannibal came off more as Batman than a serial killer. Where was the true menace? Where was the indication that he's a homicidal maniac? Cutting Ray Liotta's head open wasn't as "chilling," because Liotta was a total prick. Killing the cop was BARELY "vicious," because the cop was just crooked enough for the audience to think "well, he asked for it." Killing Gary Oldman? Well, apparently Gary Oldman was the villain, not an escaped cannibalistic killer. Hannibal even saves the girl! Now granted, yes, the movie is named "Hannibal." The main character is a part of culture (much like Freddy Krueger.) But there's a fine line between a sympathetic villain and making a hero out of an evil person, and Ridley Scott, (who hasn't had any sort of delicate touch since "Blade Runner,") crossed that line with a dive into the end zone. Anyway, with Freddy, Jason, Hannibal, Leprechaun, Candyman, or whoever, when the main villain becomes too likable ON PURPOSE, what could be a legitmate horro film becoms nothing more than a run-of-the-mill, modern-era, tongue-in-cheek slasher flick. Can't these people try a little harder?
I didn't get it either... by kid_ego	Nov 1st, 2001 12:28:34 AM

The whole goofy killer thing by Neosamurai85	Nov 1st, 2001 12:32:02 AM
Ambush Bug and MCVamp are all over this. I
Bug on Friday the 13th by Ambush Bug	Nov 1st, 2001 03:45:54 AM
So just who is this hockey masked, machete wielding mama's boy who goes by the name of Jason Voorhees? Although the writing and production standards of the installments of the Friday the 13th series have been pretty poor, this series is my favorite out of all the horror franchises. Michael's pretty scary. Leatherface is savage. Freddy haunts the nightmares. But there's something about this unstoppable killing machine that I love. Friday the 13th - The one that started it all. We are introduced to a pair of counselors who are slaughtered as they make love in the first scene of the film. Later we are informed that Camp Crystal Lake, AKA Camp Blood has a curse. "A death curse." Crazy Ralph repeats over and over. A group of camp counselors more interested in dealing with the pitched tent in their pants than pitching tents on the campground ignore the warnings of the townfolk and try to re-open the camp. Camp Blood has been haunted and plagued with bizarre events since the camp was closed years ago when two counselors were killed. Since then there have been mysterious fires and the water has been poisoned. The group presses on lighting up the weed and having the sex. Soon they are offed one by one in true classic Tom Savini fashion. Axe to the head. Kevin Bacon gets a knife through the throat. Annie is left alone and thinks she is being rescued when the jeep pulls up and the manly Pamela Voorhees steps out in a fancy grey sweater. Begin expostition. Pamela reveals that her son drowned years ago because the counselors were screwing instead of watching the children. Jason was a special boy. Maybe a little slow. But he always listened to his mother. After a climactic fight and the voice over of Kill Her, Mommy (abbreviated by MAncini's great soundtrack as Kill, Kill, Kill, Ma, ma, ma, later chi-chi-chi-ha-ha-ha), Annie chops the old broads head off and goes out to the middle of the lake in a rowboat to think things over. SHe's then attacked by the waterlogged corpse of Jason and a new franchise has begun. Favorite Kill: Pamela Voorhees' slo mo decapitation will always be the best. The head screams and her hands clench the air. COol stuff. Part II is moreof the same. The story begins back at Annie's house. SHe's plagued with nightmares about that Friday the 13th and screams as she opens the refrigerator and finds Pamela Voorhees' head. Jason icepicks her mafioso style and another group of counselors are served up for Jason to slaughter. This time Jason wears a bag over his head like the killer in The Town Who Dreaded Sundown. Some nice psychobabble is served up as Ginny, this enstallments heroine tries to understand what would go on in the mind of a child who witnessed the death of his mother and rises for revenge. Jason's development halts at this point and he is revealed to be a fully grown child exacting revenge on anyone who enters his schwanky property on Crystal Lake. The theme of punishing those who have drugs and sex continues through the second installment. We follow Ginny and bo-hunk boyfriend to a small shack in the woods where Jason has set up an alter for his mother. Relying on her psych background, Ginny dons the now famous grey sweater and tricks Jason to lower his guard long enough to drive a machete in his shoulder. Jason's first signs of unstoppable killing machine show in this film, but he is still very much alive. I guess he sort of lived in the lake all of these years. It wasn't until later that Jason actually died. Favorite Part II moment: Machete across the face of the wheel chair dude. A great shot as he rolls backwards down the flight of stairs. Part Three is much of the same except this time it cashes in on the 3D craze that was going in at the time. Best 3D effect is when Jason shoots a harpoon gun directly at the audience and into a counselor's eye. You can see the string the bolt rides on into the camera, but it's still fun. The most significant thing that happens in this one is that Jason gains his trademark mask. Favorite Part III moment: Jason chops the guy walking on his hands in half as he walks down the hall. Part IV: The FInal Chapter. This is by far the best looking F13 film so far. Introducing the montage killing from previous installments. A little boy and his family lives by the lake. Another set of counselors move in next door. Tommy Jarvis, the little boy, loves horror movies and makes his own masks. This film stands out because it seems like the studios have casted the film with actual young actors and not fodder. Crispin Glover is present in all his wierdness. We have the guy who played Matthew Star on TV and young Corey Feldman who later became famous for Goonies, being one half of that bizarre phenomenon called the Coreys, doing drugs and badly impersonating Michael Jackson. We began to care for these kids especially that dead fuck Crispin who can't seem to get laid. Jason is thought dead and shipped to the morgue only to rise and make his way back to the lake after offing the mortician. Tom Savini is back with effects that vary from impressive to lame. Revealing Jason's face is always a treat in Friday films and Savini provides us with a truley creepy face behind the hockey mask when Tommy hacks it off with a chainsaw. Tommy drives the knife deep in Jaosn's skull and we scream in glee as jason's head slides down the blade, cutting even deeper. Hell, his eye even bulges and quivers as he does the machete slide. Good gory stuff. This film was supposed to be the end of it, but because it was so well received, another was churned out almost immediately after. Favorite Part IV moment: Crispin Glover has been crucified across the doorway with cork screws. Jason plows through the door tearing poor dead Crispin's wrists off and throwing his aside. Grisy meaty fun. So far the series has been a rehash of the same story over and over. Counselors come in. Jason kills all but one waskally female, who proves to be the death of his in this installment. Time for something new. Part V comes out, opening with Corey Feldman visiting Jason's grave. Two graverobbers show up and Jason rises and kills them. Here we go again. But it's just a dream. Present day and Tommy's all growed up and being shipped to a new mental institution. This installment is pretty weak. It looks to be cast by Russ Meyer because not only does almost every female in the film appear nude, but they are all possessors of large melon-like breasts. Which I don't mind at all. It makes the film almost watchable. More of the same with killings moved to the mental institution. We find out that Jason has been cremated and Tommy might be killing in his name. But it ain't him. It's some wierd looking ambulance driver who snapped. The end has Tommy going completely bonkers and puttig on the Hockey mask. The studios realized they needed to bring Jason back. We didn't want to see some guy in a hockey mask, we wanted Jason. Favorite Part V moment: Road flare to the mouth. The whole head lights up like a pumpkin with a candle in it. Jason Lives in Part VI. This film is by far the funniet and debatably the coolest of the series. While The Final Chapter was the best looking, we had the most fun in Part VI. Tommy Jarvis is back and played by a more likable actor this time. We find out Jason wasn't cremated. He was buried. And Tommy wants to burn the corpse to ashes to conquer his fears. But something goes wrong and a random bolt of lightning brings the maggot ridden body to life. A great wink to Frankenstein fans. And we are treated with a James Bond like opening with Jason walking out into a circle and slashing the screen releasing a bucklet load of blood onto the audience. Adding to the fun are semi-good actors with humorous lines. A cool Alice Cooper soundtrack. And some neat kills. This film introduced us to the unstoppable killling machine Jason who snaps backs, crushes skulls, and punches holes through people. He's more powerful now. Tommy and Jason's standoff is great as the waters of Crystal Lake are ablaze with octane fuel and Tommy tries to lay Jason's body to rest at the bottom of the Lake. The final scene where Jason is chained and alive at the bottom of the lake is a great shot. Favorite moment: After killing the two counselors in a moving mobile home, the car swerves and crashes on its side. Jason erupts from the wreckage and stands atop the vehicle like he has just killed a great beast. Three things happen in Part VII:The New Blood. A new supernatural element is introduced with the Carrie like character with telekenisis. THe studios finally realized that the franchise was getting a bit stale even by F13 standards. Introducing another horrific element attempted to spark the series. It was interesting to see the Carrie-wannabe battle Jason with electrical cables and logs, but the installment falls short in the end. We are treated to the best looking Jason ever. Pieces of his sckull showed through rotted flesh. His jawbone moved and clicked. His spine shoved thorugh his back like a stegosaurus. I wish they would have kept this look. It was by far the best ever. Another notable thing about this installment is that it was Kane Hodder's first time to wear the mask. He really took the character seriously and gave him attitude. Kane would soon become the only actor to play Jason more than once. Favorite Part VII moment: Jason grabs the sleeping bag of a sleeping counselor and whacks it against a tree, spitting the poor girl's skull. Close second was Jason's first use of a power tool as he pull starts a weedwhacker and tears into the manipulating psychiatrist played by the actor who later became semi-famous as Bernie in Weekend At Bernie's I and II. It's back to shitty quality films with Part VIII: Jason Takes MAnhatten. Some ad-wizard thought it would be a good idea to move Jason out of the woods and into the city. Actually, we see Jason rampaging teens on a cruise ship. Jason sets foot in New York for about fifteen minutes at the end of the movie. Bad acting. Bad effects. The ending was horribly incoherent. Jason speaks in a child's voice for the first time and we are to believe that toxic sludge in NYC's sewers devolve Jason into a child. It's hard to find a favorite moment: I guess it would have to be when the token black guy gets his head knocked off with a right cross from Jason after trying to bax a few rounds. This is one of the series worst installments, but instead of going back to its roots in the next one, it just gets worse. In Part IX:The Fina Friday:Jason Goes To Hell, the production levels are higher, but the quality is about the same. Bad acting. Bad effects. Bad concepts. You see, Jason is now a Hidden-like worm thing that can pass on from one human to the next. We find out that Jason has a sister and tidbits like the Necronomicon from the Evil Dead are thrown in for shits and giggles. See incorporating Carrie and New York weren't bad enough concepts, now they just throw out Jason all together and make him an evil blob that enters through people's mouths and possesses them. NOt a good idea. Once again the title is deceiving because, Jason is dragged into Hell by styrofoam Kroft hands in the last five minutes of the film. Best moment of the films comes in the last seconds when Freddy's glove grabs Jason's mask and pulls it into the underworld. So now we have Jason X. Jason in Space. When are they going to learn. Even though word is that this installment will be fun, I just want my old Jason back. What they need to do is go back to basics. Blair Witch Project proved that a killer in the woods can be scary. Jason is at his best when he has two feet on Crytal Lake soil. I say bring back Tommy. An ememy is only as good as the hero. Michael Meyers worked so long because he had his Van Helsing character in Loomis around for so long. Jason's Van Helsing is Tommy Jarvis. Freddy's is NAncy. These characters give us a face to root for. Put Jason back into the woods. Make it scary. Bring back Tommy Jarvis and try to develop the character of Jason some more. No more Jason in space or Jason as body snatcher or Jason vs. Carrie. In ten installments, we still know very little about the character. We began to uncover that stuff in the ifrst two episodes, but since then, all we get are servings of boring counselors. The character has a huge appeal. Why not try to flesh it out instead of spreading the character out among loose concepts? Someday, the people behins Friday will get a true fan with talent behind the lens. Once who would make a Friday film that examines Jason's complicated role as victim/killer. This theme was explored in the series of books dedicated to the first couple of chapters of the Friday series. Hell, in one of the books I remember reading about Jason as a child and the appearance of Jason's father at the end of part six. Maybe we'll get a glimpse of the man behind the mask if a decent director gets ahold of the F vs. J property. Some day. Someday. Too much typing tonight. Bug out.
ambush bug by Ben fong Torres	Nov 1st, 2001 05:08:41 AM
Man, that is one long talkback, but i think you fail to address the crux of the issue - what is the dirty joke all about?
Nitpick by mjbok1	Nov 1st, 2001 11:45:06 AM
It's Manfredini not Mancini, when talking about the music.
The joke by Ambush Bug	Nov 1st, 2001 12:04:26 PM
I get it. It's one of those jokes where it takes you one place and then drops a totally unrelated bombshell on you. It is the absurdity not the relevence of the punchline that makes you chuckle. But once you have to explain a joke, the thrill is gone and the moment is ruined. So never mind. Oh, and sorry about the Mancini music faux pas.
The right time for "Freddy vs. Jason" was about, oh, ten years a by Elgyn6655321	Nov 2nd, 2001 02:03:12 AM
They should`ve made this movie back in the late 80`s or early 90`s, when both franchises were beginning to lose steam. They should`ve just made "Freddy vs. Jason" instead of "Freddy`s Dead" and "Jason Goes To Hell" (both of which sucked and drove the proverbial final nails in both thier coffins. It might`ve saved the two franchises just as they were dying. So has anyone read any of the "FvsJ" scripts floating around? I started reading the Peter Briggs one, and thought it was actually kinda lame except for a few things here and there. There was one cool part where a guy is stuck in a dream with Freddy, and he`s about to get it, when suddenly he awakes just in time - only to be immediantly killed by Jason!
Jacob's Ladder by Neosamurai85	Nov 2nd, 2001 03:30:14 PM
Hey St. Buggering just in case by any chance you have not seen it I would highly recommend Jacobs Ladder. I know it

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