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HERC Reviews BUFFY 6.6!!

"Belly-shirted teen horniness" by Twig	Oct 30th, 2001 01:06:12 AM
Sounds good to me. Too bad we get no nerdy supervillains(as I prefer to call them) this week. Those guys are funny. Can't wait for the musical extravaganza, even if it might wind up a giant disaster. And get my girl Tara in the opening credits!!
A good spankin' by Foondango	Oct 30th, 2001 01:37:38 AM
In my day if a child was acting up and staying at out at all hours of the night, we would give them a good spankin'. They steal and they would have to bend over pappy's knee. If Buffy ain't gonna spank Dawn, then I sure as hell will do it. It's the only way to teach the child right from wrong. Maybe after im done with her she would mine her manners. Now you whippersnappers go home and let me finish my gol' durn nap.
The Dreaded "Shirt Numbers" Conspiracy by Capt Airwaves	Oct 30th, 2001 01:58:16 AM
Herk buddy, as much as I'd like to believe there's a conspiracy of some sort here, involving the actors or at least the costume dept....I think it's a mere matter of fashion. I'm noticing "Shirt Numbers" everywhere on TV these days. Mostly on shows aimed toward wee tykes. (Y'know, the Twentysomething crowd) Too bad. I liked the idea someone had, of the actors trying to communicate to the audience via a code of some kind. Well, anyway. Pie rocks!
Tara's Demise.... by The Continental	Oct 30th, 2001 03:05:16 AM
If this season doesn't end with Dark Phoenix Willow offing Tara and hence removing Amber Benson from guest star credit hell, I'm going to be very dissapointed.
Amber Tamblyn FYI by EmilyQFan	Oct 30th, 2001 03:18:51 AM
She is guesting as Janice. Her dad is Russ Tamblyn of MGM musical fame. Best known as Riff from West Wide Story but also Hit the Decks, Tom Thumb, 7 Brides for 7 Brothers and MANY more. Also as Laura Palmer's Dr on Twin Peaks! L
the numbers by lasahana	Oct 30th, 2001 04:04:56 AM
now, being as i'm in south korea and they don't have the 6th season of buffy here yet, i haven't seen any of the episodes yet, but i did read somewhere that maybe the numbers that everyone was wearing (the 7, 11, and 13 anyway) were an advertisement for the musical episode, number 7, that was supposed to air on 11/13 before the premier was moved up a week.
Just thought I'd share this with you all. by vroom socko	Oct 30th, 2001 04:10:26 AM
Last week was my birthday, so I was having dinner at my parents. After dinner, I was watching Buffy when my dad came into the room. After seeing the ad for next week's Buffy: the Musical, Dad turned to me with a look of either disdain or bemusement in his eyes and said, "And you make fun of me because I still like Cop Rock. It was ahead of it's time, I'm telling you."
Easy explanation for why Herc likes "Ally... by VarietyWriter	Oct 30th, 2001 06:35:42 AM

An easy explanation for why Herc likes "Ally"... by VarietyWriter	Oct 30th, 2001 06:39:17 AM
Herc is a chick. Consider the shows that "he" likes to review: Buffy, Angel, West Wing, E.R., Alias, Smallville, Gilmore Girls, Boston Public, Ally... Two words: "Chick shows"!!
other chick shows... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Oct 30th, 2001 06:52:28 AM

"i'd let the geek get the girl" by shlong	Oct 30th, 2001 06:55:02 AM
If your a sucker for a (end of series) happy ending then the idea of buffy and spike been eternal lovers for the rest of her life just aint gonna cut it. The season 3 finale (graduation) was the best example of a happy ending as it brought closure to all the issues from the previous 3 years. We saw a nice ending to the buffy /angel romantic chapter, xander became a "keyguy" figure in the gang and accepted buff wud never like him "angel survived the fight", cordelia confidently accepted the scoobs as her friends without havin to use (her realationship w/) xander as an excuse to be linked to them. we also saw the last scooby meeting in the libary w/ the best characters they've had all involved. and Buffy at the end (of her school chapter) was able to walk away boyfriendless but still content n happy with her friends as they walked away together at the end. but buffy and spike seriously, when did we see buffy ever decide she likes him romantically and hav him constantly on her mind, wantin to be with him. (ie. w/ angel riley) the truth is i'm sick of all these mr good lookin, strong, protecting, kind, perfect princes boyfriends that buffy has i.e. like both angel and riley were portrayed to be, and now it's the same with spike. Angel was a shit character when he was all whiped and mushy with buffy (it was great to see how angel has changed in "sancturary" when he told buffy to "go home!"). But now i'm guessing spike is going mushy and boring with buffy, he needs to be evil n' cool or at least somehow needy over his lust as he kept at a distance. why noy do sommet different (to quote randy "scream2") "Let the geek get the girl", i.e. like johnathan or one of the other 2, or even willie or xander. thats the reason xan/cordys relationship worked so well cus it was like the most popular girl school falling for the high school looser. it was great to watch cus he didn't go mushi and mr perfect, he stayed himself and had many flaws, he challenged her, they took the piss out of each other in a lovin way. it wud work for buffy as well. spike is really just someone she uses to confide in and get stuff of her chest, he's somone who will get her drunk so she can forget about all her problems, is that really love?? Can spike be forgiven anyway, he hasn't reformed, or actually made a contious desision to change, to go and help people who he doesnt no on his own, its just circumstances has rendard him harmless (the only reason he hasn't killed anyone is cus of the brain chip) and through his lust for buffy (sugar coat it anyway u want) hes done favours for the scoobs. thats not a decision to change thats just the action he's taking cus of the position he's in. u might contest he now kills demons but doesn't he get kicks out of things he can hurt. wot happend to his so-called eternal luv 4 dru, dint last. Hes much better evil anyway or at least his own man who isnt whipped. i thought when the show first started the whole idea of it was buffy tryin for a normal life to able to live a little but i guess being ripped from heaven has changed all that, hence spike. oops iget it now, she hates her friends but kinda needs there help w/ slayin, she got 2 bitchy witches stuffin up her livin arranagements but still luvs her (fake)sis n a vamp. but still id go with the loser love idea and the origional scoobs (summers,levelle harris- n rosenberg) who started the series shud end up together after all they've been through. i don't mean together ina 3-some way although willow wouldn't mind been a lesbian an inlove w/ xander most of her life. nah but i mean together in a "we go together" at the end of grease sort of way (a happy ending for the last ever scene). however i also liked the human spike character from the flash back ep, he was cool. I think a relationship with him and buffy would work really well. but they'd have to do the full works in turning him back to a human, ie. a beating heart, loss of vampiric stength, be the shy poetic wuss again, & suffer a huge mortal guilty hangover conseqence of his past actions. its becuause this character wud be realistic, he's not better than everyone else, he can't protect her, he's not perfect, he does make mistakes and say the wrong thing plus he'd have atone for wot he's done. but until then i say johnathon if u havern't already best start growin ur self a magic shlong.
wot fun! by shlong	Oct 30th, 2001 06:56:35 AM
what a bullshit filled rant that was. sorry. had to try it since so many of you do it. did it sound good, i dont really pay attention to the show in such arted detail as you lot do (bet u all cud tell me who rote, directed an composed music, for every single episode), i just think there needs to be a break up, death, evil turning, seriousness occur soon for the season to pick up sum pace. least angel has got that whole "development" thing going for it. you all need to get into ice hockey, s great.
Other chick shows Herc likes by Prof. Pop-Cult	Oct 30th, 2001 06:58:22 AM
Real World and Road Rules. (And what is up with that? Who are these two people, not counting Herc, who frequent this site and care about these waypasttheirprime reality shows?) The only more guy-skewing shows that come to mind are Enterprise (where the female to male viewer ratio is probably even) and Band of Bros. Enterprise has Bakula (middle-aged chick magnet) and that guy who plays the descendant of the Duke boys. BoB stars nothing but handsome guys. Hmmm, Herc, care to explain yourself?
Willow = Evil? by spiderblood1969	Oct 30th, 2001 07:03:30 AM
Willow definitely appears headed towards the dark side.Who knows,maybe she'll become a major bad guy next season If she keeps using her powers for questionable reasons.
Happy Hellmouth Halloween! by Wicked Willow	Oct 30th, 2001 08:03:57 AM
Yeah,I love the Buffy Halloweens-can't wait to see Dawn walk on the wild side(no shocker that the only really cool dates in Sunnydales are vamps)and with the Anya/Xander proposal out in the open plus the Willow/Tara fight,this is a great set-up for the Buffy musical episode(where I heard Buffy & Spike kiss!!!). PLenty of secrets to be revealed-wonder if one of them will be where Buffy truly was in the afterlife. I love the music video clip that's on www.buffyupn.com-my favorite line is Anya's"I've got a theory...it could be bunnies!"
Quick Question by ninnyyy	Oct 30th, 2001 08:08:54 AM
I know this has nothing to do with the new season, but I was watching the Second Season of Buffy last night, and it occured to me that Angel had never been in Giles house before he entered and laid a dead Jenny to rest on his bed. So how did he get in? Or did I miss something?
I thought Herc's sources had all dried out by Spike fan	Oct 30th, 2001 08:09:18 AM
either that or Joss threatened to sue ten tons of shit out of him. Cause incase you have not noticed Herc is not giving any more spoilers out just gloating over the times he was right before. This season has been great so far and certainly better than Angel that does not seem to have a fucking clue in its direction or what to. Lets get to the main story already. But back to BtVS Willow I think will make the most awsome villian since Angelus in how she affects Buffy and emtional attachment by both the audience and the scoobs. Though the the only draw back is cause of contract she will not be killed off. As for Buffy and Spike I think they are great together and have the potential for much more interesting stories than say a Riley clone.
buffy/spike by cara	Oct 30th, 2001 09:55:44 AM
I have come to the conclusion that there is definately something else going on with Buffy that we don't know about. Think about it, there is no way in hell that Buffy would ever have anything to do with Spike before. Now all of a sudden now that he babysat her sister, isn't killing anyone (because he can't), and is kissing her ass she wants a piece of him. It doesn't work. I think if they do pair them up, we'll all get a big surprise soon after. The thought of Buffy and Spike as a happy couple is just too lame for anything else to be true.
Xander/Cordy by DyslexicHeart	Oct 30th, 2001 10:31:58 AM
I think all other romantic pairings pale in comparison to Xander and Cordelia. It ended far too soon and I cared more about Cordy moving away from Xander than I did Angel moving away from Buffy. Buffy/Angel have a great connection but thier seperation was done well. When Cordelia split town it felt bad, then all of a sudden Xander is dating Anya!? Sure, she has provided some comedic relief from time to time but she brings out the worse in Xander. When he was with Cordelia there was more of a spark and passion. If there were to be truly happy ending to all of Buffyverse then Xander and Cordelia would have to get back together. Remember how Cordy told Wesley that she felt they were destined to be alone. I think Xander's getting cold feet about Anya because he knows that he's destined to be Cordelia again.
B/S by ArchDiver	Oct 30th, 2001 10:34:49 AM
I don't see Buffy becoming interested in Spike as coming from nowhere. They have been setting it up for awhile. Spike has been pining and courting for over a year now. I don't think B is quite right yet as well, and I think an interest in S might be another manifestation of that. Also, B may have gotten to the point that she does not believe in having any sort of conventional and romantic relationship, and may choose to be with S without truly loving him. It would be a safe situation, because everyone she loves "goes away," and it would be difficult for an enemy to use S against her. At least this is the way I am seeing it, and I don't think it would really work any other way. The whole idea makes me shudder though. AD out
Buffy/Spike by buffy_bot	Oct 30th, 2001 10:51:11 AM
Ok, has anyone been watching the same show that I have? The B/S thing has been building up forever - no, it won't be true love or all flowers and smooches, but there is a sexual tension there - always has been. And it will make them miserable. And all the scoobies miserable. And what does Joss like to do? Make his characters miserable.
Buffy/Spike by delwin	Oct 30th, 2001 11:50:03 AM
I think it has been building up for a long time! Buffy likes bad boys. What makes her more attracted to him I think is that they both have experienced the death thing. They both were ripped out of heaven. They both clawed their way out of their coffins. She can relate to him now. And he knows the big secret that she was in heaven. (Ok I have tried to post this now 3 times! Sorry if it posts more that once!)
b/s by cara	Oct 30th, 2001 12:43:51 PM
Just to reiterate my point. I'm not saying the whole B/S thing came out of nowhere, what I'm saying is that Buffy having any feelings for Spike is coming out of nowhere. I think she kind of likes him as opposed to the hatred she used to feel. But, a sexual attraction, come on. He tried to kill her and her friends how many times?!!! He's the same guy. No soul, no remorse. It's stupid and unbelievable. Maybe Buffy's trying to punish herself or Angel. Maybe she wants to get back at her friends from ripping her out of heaven. I think that the writers are just trying to give the show something back that it hasn't had since Angel. A Buffy relationship with chemistry. Riley sucked, everyone agreees. So since there is some chemistry between B and S, they are gonna try to exploit it ruining the character of Spike in the process. And cheapening Buffy's character as well. I don't know if Joss would do that. This is why I think there is something else going on we don't know about. Hmmmm...
Russ Tamblyns BIG role was by sundown	Oct 30th, 2001 01:11:46 PM
Battle of the Gargantuans...pronounced Gar-gan-choo-wans...mmmm spinach heads. And they need some strong er villains this season. WAAAY too many talky emotional episodes with very little action. They are overdoing the soap opera stuff. I stand my belief Willow will be the Goblin Queen. I loved Inferno the bestest of the X stories anyway.
Buffy/Spike--what and when by RogerOThornhill	Oct 30th, 2001 03:39:24 PM
I have been denying the Buffy, Spike thing for so long. Then (starting with the torture episode last year) they've been building her increased trust of him. Since she came back, they've developed that trust to a different level of understanding (he's more mature than anyone else around her and she's been through a lot). Based on recent spoilers, it sounds as if they are going to have sex at the end of Tabula Rasa and Buffy's going to turn on Spike the next morning at the beginning of Killing Chronos. At first I didn't get this, until someone pointed out that Tabula Rasa is when Giles leaves for good. She's in the dumps and (in a moment of weakness) has sex with a guy she is attracted to in a skivvy sort of way. Think about it. She's slept with the dark and brooding older guy (who turned into an asshole for a while). She slept with the guy who played nice, only to pull off a one-night stand. Then she slept off and on for a year with her first real "steady"--cornfed comfort food. It is definitely time, ladies and gentleman, for moment- of-weakness-bad-judgment sex--which most of us who were not guarding our virginity have experienced. Sometimes, maybe only once, you have sex to feel a little bit better, with someone who you know wants you, even though it is an incredibly stupid idea. I think the Buffster is about to make this mistake, in just a couple of episodes. Watching the aftermath should be truly wild. I love this show so much: even when I think it's going to disappoint me, it never really disappoints me.
A Special Note to Herc by RogerOThornhill	Oct 30th, 2001 03:43:55 PM
Herc, please, in your review of the musical next week, can you try to get some intel about how they are handling the 8-minute overrun. I hope they're going to have less commercials. If they don't, it's going to run into the 1st episode of 24 (which I know is being rebroadcast on Friday, but it's the principle of the thing dammit)
Buff/Spike issue. by Juggernaut125	Oct 30th, 2001 03:57:37 PM
Okay. After taking 20 minutes for the talkback entry screen to come up, I'm gonna damn well have my say. Why is it so hard to believe that Buffy can't be developing feelings for Spike. Because he did awful things to her and her friends three seasons ago? So did Angel. And she forgave him didn't she? Well, don't you think it would be easy to start forgiving other villains of their misdeeds after that? Buffy: "Yeah, Spike. I know you tried to kill me but now you say you love me. So I forgive you. Let's be friends. (then she dies. then she comes back) Hi Spike. I think you are the only one that can understand what I just went through. Let's be closer. Hey. You're not such a bad vampire after all. (kinda like Angel only with better acting chops.) Y'know. A girl could really fall for a guy like you." Spike: "Cool." (Stabs her through the heart 'cause as Angel once told him, the only way to kill Buffy is to get her to love you first. End of series. New series starts with Dawn and rest of surviving scoobs chasing Spike around the world.)
a couple questions by Mr Ts Cereal	Oct 30th, 2001 04:18:53 PM
ok, I like this show and I enjoy the talkbalks, but has anyone else noticed that the show has been recylcling its storylines? I mean for people that criticize the x-files for it "supposed" awful writing ( I am not trying to start a debate on the good and bads of the writing or quality of each show, just bringing up a point) look at the show from the last episode of season 5 onward. Now supposing the spoilers Herc posts are right, does it not seem that they have no ideas for stories? I mean Buffy died in season 1, then in season 2 Angel, her Bfriend becomes the big bad. Now look at seasons 5 and 6, Buffy dies, and now Willow, her best friend is slated to become the big bad. Whats next for season 7? She comes back from a hell dimension? Don't get me wrong, I like the show, but it just seems a little repetative and my interest is starting to sway. Angel on the other hand, had one of the best hours of television I have seen in a long time. A very disturbing episode (Although I am not trying to start a debate on the buffy writing compared to Angel writing either). I am just wondering what everyone else thinks about this? And one more thing, Does anyone else's FX crap out alot on them? I have cablevision(which is a shitty cable company to begin with)and am in the central NJ area and when I catch the buffy and x-files re-runs, that channel craps out on me alot. Well if anyone wants to reply cool. Thanks for checking out what I had to say.
Hey Blckmgk: That's not a fish Harry is making out with in t by Tequila Wyrm	Oct 30th, 2001 04:57:40 PM
"From Here To Eternity" - is a great film (and an even better book) that's basically a love story that takes place at the military base in Hawaii just prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Sound familiar? It should. But I promise you that it is FAR SUPERIOR to that piece of crap "Pearl Harbor" - Burt Lancaster and Montgomery Clift are real actors (as opposed to Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett).
Cop Rock rocked! by Seanmom	Oct 30th, 2001 05:18:16 PM
I am with your Dad, Vroom Socko...I thought Cop Rock had real potential, but they killed it so fast, we'll never know. Now, back on Buffy topic. I blush to admit that I am brand new to the Buffyverse, and am desperately trying to play catch up and figure out all the backstories and history. Is there a great website somewhere I can check out?
Magic is a BAD theme! by sledgehammer5050	Oct 30th, 2001 05:37:25 PM
I think next week's musical is going to be much better than I thought. I am a music teacher myself, and when I heard Mr. Whedon was going to write it all...I thought this'll be crap. I know the man can write stories, but, music? Leave that to Christopher Beck. Anyway, after seeing the promo on UPN...I would have to say I'm impressed. Now, the actor's themselves need lessons on how to sing properly. Willow, Buffy, and Dawn are very nasal. Willow has trouble matching pitch. I was most impressed with Xander. He sang alright. We all know Giles and Spike can already sing. The music is a little quirky like Whedon...but, overall I think it will be alright. ---Let's talk Magic theme. I think whether you are real-life performing it or just acting performing...magic/with stuff is way too dangerous to mess with. Most things on the show are fine...there is a sense of non-realism. But, messing with witchcraft is not a good thing to be doing....it is very dangerous whether acting or not. It is something that can overcome a person in real life. Not a good theme to be dealing with.
do not fear the musical! by supershauna	Oct 30th, 2001 07:16:24 PM
I have faith in Joss and I am excited to see this episode. The thought of a cheesy action show done as a musical sounded strange to me too...until I saw the musical episode of Xena, "Bitter Suite". For those of us that really followed the show, the songs added an emotional intensity that really enhanced the episode.***as far as the Spike thing, I agree that we will see at least an isolated moment of shared anguish/passion between them. I know that I tend to date the bad boy-jerk-guy because there is something comfortable about going into a situation that can be mapped out in advance. You are either disappointed in the guy, or you go into it knowing that he
Buffy and Angel by cooper2000	Oct 30th, 2001 07:52:15 PM
I disagree with Spike fan with the Nerd episodes and lack of direction lately, I have been liking Angel better. Last nights episode was Great. The characters on Angel continue to grow unlike say on Enterprise and it keeps getting better. Buffy is close to jumping the shark but I am not giving up yet. There have been some great moments like last week Buffy and Giles talk and a few weeks before the Spike and Buffy convo where she tells how comfortable she was dead. Unfortuately, there havent been enough of those. I dont think the show is going to be good without some type of Adult around to bounce off the younger set. Even when you look at shows like 90210 after the parents left, it went down hill. I say get Josh in there to write more scripts. Oh, I cant wait for the Musical episode either.
***ATTENTION: Only 711 shopping days remaining until Dawn's by Tequila Wyrm	Oct 30th, 2001 08:26:29 PM
I've been wanting to knock them boots since I saw her in "Harriet the Spy" ...is that wrong?
Buffy's Romances by Zitoman	Oct 30th, 2001 09:02:32 PM
Buffy's romances have all had a doomed feel to them. The love that could never be with Angel, and her "fake" love for Riely when all she really wanted was a "safe guy" the complete opposite of Angel. Now with Spike it's more of a physical attraction, and maybe an understanding of each other that no one else gets, but Buffy knows its wrong and Spike knows she'll never really love him. As for Xander I liked him better with Cordy as well. I don't think the show is repeating stories just taking things to a new level. I wonder what'll happen to Buffy when she finds out that Angel has a baby on the way?
"ummm..can we fight now?" by Terry_1978	Oct 30th, 2001 09:06:17 PM
I'm still grinning after hearing that line. I only pray that Spider-Man has excellent quips such as that one.
Is there a new Slayer? by AaronHayden	Oct 30th, 2001 09:11:23 PM
Buffy died for like 2 minutes, and Kendra the Vampire Slayer was called. Kendra died and Faith was called. Then, Buffy died for all summer or whatever. Why isn't there another Slayer? If there is, why hasn't she come to Sunnydale yet?
Buffy/Spike by SpikesAngel	Oct 30th, 2001 09:14:24 PM
Buffy learnt to trust Spike last season. Remember she was the one that asked him to keep Dawn safe, even when the others were against it. Spike is the only one strong enough to protect her. And Spike feels responsible the the Summers girls because of how much Buffy trusts him. If that trust wasn't there, I don't think they would be as close as they are now. And through this trust comes an understanding of each other. There is definately something between them. By the way, if anyone wants my full opinion on this subject, check out the buffy message board on fanhost at http://forums.fanhost.com/boar d/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=4 7
This season STINKS. by Johnny Dagger	Oct 30th, 2001 09:21:54 PM
I can't believe that Herc thinks this season of Angel is bad while this Buffy is excellent. You've got it backwards, my friend. I've yet to watch a Buffy episode this season that has been anything better than mediocre.
New Slayer by SpikesAngel	Oct 30th, 2001 09:22:23 PM
There will be no new slayer. Joss himself said so. The slayer line runs through Faith now. Unless faith dies, a new slayer will not be called. Buffy could die over and over again and a new slayer won't be called
Raiders of the Lost Ark reference... by kobayashi	Oct 30th, 2001 09:27:52 PM
"Pumpkins, very dangerous... you go first." Anyone else catch that? Speaking of references... I have always wondered about something - has it ever been mentioned what inspired "Hush"? I know that Joss is a huge comic book fan, and back in the 80's there was the famous 'Silent Interlude' issue of G.I.Joe. I has been curious if that somehow inspire Joss to do a silent episode. Anybody have any insight?
Last night's ep of Angel kicked ass - and I'm lookin' by Smugbug	Oct 30th, 2001 09:30:38 PM
I'm still reeling from last night's ep of Angel. That final fight scene between Angel and Billy was unbelievable. And let me say this: the editing was first rate. All the cuts between Angel/Bill and Wesley/Fred/Gunn was awesome. I say Alexis earned himself and the ep major kudos. Okay now on to our topic: Buffy. I say this: I do not want Buffy and Spike to become an item. However, I would be vewy vewy happy if they were to become like bro/sis or really good buddies. Does Buffy have to sleep with every dude? Does she? But if Joss Whedon's got a different agenda, so be it. I guess since he is like, the CREATOR of the show he's got some rights to mess with the plot, etc......oh well. But I'm worried that it's SO obvious that Willow is becoming the Big Bad right now. It makes me think that the CREATOR (aka Joss) is messin' with us - and there's a BIG surprise (complete with clown popping out of a cake) in store for us kiddies. Makes me go, hmmmmmmmm.
Oh, let me add... by Smugbug	Oct 30th, 2001 09:37:47 PM
that I feel that there is definitely more depth to the Spike/Buffy relationship than there EVER were in the Buffy/Angel and Buffy/Riley relationships. I do not doubt that there is something there between them and the writing / acting have done a superb job in creating this emotional alliance between the two characters. So blah..........
Forget the recent non-meeting between Buffy and Angel. . . by RenoNevada2000	Oct 30th, 2001 10:10:24 PM
. . . I want to see when Xander tells Cordy he's engaged. And to who! Wasn't it Cordy who first brought vengence demon Anya to the Sunnydale?
harriet the spy??? by SallyHousecoat	Oct 30th, 2001 10:14:06 PM
wyrm that is wrong. anyway, i enjoyed tonights episode. i've only been watching since the third season so i don't have that whole season two standard meter. i like the humor and the drama. i don't like the direction willow is going in though. tonight dawn reminded me of the old willow. on a totally different subject i started watching angel this season and i really like his character better now than when he was on buffy. i think both shows are doing well so far. peace to all.
UPN eats the sack by Zitoman	Oct 30th, 2001 10:40:37 PM
Tonite buffy was postponed in my area (Philadelphia) till 10 cause of a flyers game. NOW I find out that the musical episode wont air next tuesday here in Phillly. It'll air the 10th at 7:30. WHAT THE FUCK! I mean come on your gonna shell out all that money per episode UPN and your not gonna air the show in it's regular slot? Your just gonna shove it where ever you have time for it? Get the fuck outta here. Get with the program you donkey fucking assholes. Maybe I'm being a little passionate here but this is just a pain in the ass that doesn't need to be. Your gonna screw up the show for casual viewers if you keep this up. Find a solid time slot for it. Weather it's tuesdays at 8 or 10 or saturday at 7:30.......just find a fuckin solid slot. God damn it.
ruminations by Thalya	Oct 31st, 2001 12:51:02 AM
argh, I was about to babble on and on about the whole Buffy, Spike, Angel triangle but thankfully I stopped myself. Tonight's ep brought up some tiny but juicy tidbits. The basement proposal: B's version of recognizing feelings for Spike; he was doing the same thing, stuttering and babbling, when his feelings became public. And then there was the whole B having to get out of the engagement party after a heart-to-heart with Xander and then the lonely glances at the couple passing by while out on patrol. She needs to be with someone, even if it's just to cuddle up and watch Passions after a long night on patrol. If this is the "oh grow up" season, then perhaps part of Buffy's arch will be realizing that she doesn't need sex when with a guy to be fulfilled: to be an independant woman yet still have a sweetie. And I should know, I'm Buffy's age, 20, (and share the same b-day as SMG at that) and my past two 'ships have dangerously mirrored Angel and Riley save the Angelus and Initiative bits. Eh well, more than enough about me, but I'd like to see any of you guys in the TB try to connect to Buffy like that. poof
Buffy and Angel relationships by buffyluvr	Oct 31st, 2001 12:54:32 AM
The way I see it, Joss sort of wrote himself into a corner with the Buffy/Angel relationship of the first three Buffy seasons. He (and Sarah/David's onscreen chemistry) made that romance so convincing that is hard for me to now picture the characters with anyone else. I can maybe see how Buffy could love someone else since she was young when she first got involved with Angel. But that someone would have to be a different type than Angel (i.e. not Spike or even soldier boy). I would still like to see Xander get a shot at her. (C'mon give the nice, normal, funny guy who has always loved you a chance.) As for Angel, I don't see him with Cordelia or even Fred. He told Buffy that "in all his life he has loved one women." That's like 200 years. Fast forward a couple years and were supposed to believe he could fall for someone like Cordelia. I'm sorry but I actually remember the character before she was on Angel. That relationship works best as a friendship. Also why would Angel spend 3 months alone mourning Buffy's death if he was over her and ready to move on. If we are supposed to believe these future relationships then they should stop any Buffy and Angel meetings whether on onscreen or off. Only then will the viewers be able to put their past relationship out of mind and be able to accept new ones.
Cold ones; Suck me, baby; Spike != Evil [no hotpants here] by It's A Duck	Oct 31st, 2001 12:55:32 AM
I guess dead guys don't feel cold in the Buffyverse. ** I'm a bit surprised that Dawn seemed so eager to join the other side. I guess you could call it the lesser of the two evils. ** I wonder where they're going with the Spike = good vampire thing. It's fairly obvious now that the chip isn't affecting his behavior anymore. I mean, he doesn't test its boundaries anymore at all. He IS neutered. I suspect that if the chip suddenly stopped working it would be quite some time before he started killing humans for food again - at least that's the way it looks based on the way he's been portrayed lately. SHIVER ME TIMBERS, BABY.
11/13 episode by myself	Oct 31st, 2001 12:56:15 AM
spoiler for next week-I don't know if this has been mentioned above, but this is what TV Guide Online has to say about the 11/13 episode: "Despite Tara's misgivings about her overindulgence in witchcraft, Willow tries to cheer Buffy up by making the Slayer forget the idyllic afterlife she left behind. Alas, the spell goes awry and affects the minds of all the Scoobies." So, we now have confirmation that the truth about Buffy's afterlife is given next week.
Zitoman chill! And on the B/S thing i'm with RogerOThornhill by MGTHEDJ	Oct 31st, 2001 01:19:30 AM
Zitoman that is your local station, not UPN itself. Ask anyone from Chicago and they will tell you they had to deal with WGN showing Cubs and Bulls games that pre-empted Buffy. And yes it sucks. Just set you VCR or write to the station and request they run it later that night/early in the morning in place of a lame infomercial. Now, good ep tonight. Nice setup. History repeated itself with the Dawn plotline. Shades of Willow in "Welcome to the Hellmouth." Not only was there a "Raiders" reference tonight, but the "Star Wars" references continue: Willow is "being seduced by the Dark Side of the Force". And the Luke and Leia at the Bronze may foreshadow Spike and Buffy. RogerO I agree with you:. It looks like they're setting up one of those "I-Can't-Believe-I-Actuall y-Had-Sexual-Intercourse-With- You" moments. And the timing is about right: right before you turn 21 and/or the 3rd to 4th year of knowing someone, and if your circle of friends and associates is small, the chances for an "Incident" increase. It is an aspect of human nature, and that is what is at the heart of "Buffy". One last thing, Willow may go bad but I don't think she is the Big Bad, someone/something else will take that role. Willow is Darth Vader, so who takes the role of the Emperor?----later----m
---[SHUDDERS]--- I'm sorry people... but the thought of by Tequila Wyrm	Oct 31st, 2001 01:21:38 AM
Has anyone seen William Shatner performing a musical number? Now don't you wish you could "un-see" it?
What inspired the "Hush" episode (my favorite by the way) by Lt. Torello	Oct 31st, 2001 01:25:05 AM
According to a dual interview Entertainment Weekly did about a year ago with James Marsters and Anthony Stewart Head, "Hush" was a challenge of sorts Joss made to himself. Since he was always getting praised for his snappy dialog, he wanted to see if he could write an episode that stood on its own without talking. Granted, it's really only the second half of the episode that goes quiet, but it was still a great and genuinely scary idea, brilliantly executed. My favorite scene was the Giles here's-what-we're-up-a gainst-this-week briefing done with everyone furiously scribbling notes on big flashcards. BTW, Dawn's friend Janice is welcome back any ol' time -- love the belly-button shirted horniness Amber Tamblyn exuded. Angel was also tres cool this week. All it needed was The Host making an appearance and a less cheesy way of KO'ing bad Wesley and it would have contended for their best episode ever. Slowly but surely, it's getting better. CANNOT WAIT FOR BUFFY THE MUSICAL!!!!!!
Vampire romance, annoying lesbians and Herc's other reviews by Sean Whitmore	Oct 31st, 2001 03:06:18 AM
Spike is beginning to confuse the hell out of me, even besides the fact that he's getting his ass kicked WAY too much of late (I think when Glory beat him up she knocked out all the parts that made him a man). I can understand her having the hots for Buffy, since we've seen vampires can get horny. But how is it possible for him to be developing actual feelings? Not just for Buffy, but the parental feelings he has towards Dawn. Hell, even the way he used to feel about Dru, now I think of it. Don't vampires (in the BtVS world anyway) not have souls? Aren't they just killing machines with human memories? I'd understand if Joss' vampires were like, say, the Anne Rice vamps, who pretty much retained their personalities after being bitten. But since souls exist as a fact in the BtVS world, then wouldn't you NEED one to feel love or any other emotion? * I'm starting to hope Tara really does die this season. I am getting sick of her and Willow being together. It's not that they're lesbians, they're just so damn ANNOYING. They act like friggin' newlyweds ALL the time. I'd like them a helluva lot better if they acted more like an old Jewish couple. ("Call if you're gonna be late!" "Ahhh, shaddup with you.") * What the hell is wrong with reviewing shows like Ally McBeal, West Wing, and Boston Public? I mean, I'm as big a geek as the rest of you, but even I realize that a show doesn't need super powers and ninja kicks to be good. Keep reviewing everything you're of a mind to, Herc (as long as there's none of that reality TV shite).
Was I the only one who got misty eyed over Toyman? by vroom socko	Oct 31st, 2001 03:10:19 AM
I was played damnit! Old guy whisling Pop Goes the Weasel resonated with last season and whistling Peter & the Wolf; I was expecting evil. Instead, a goofy old man, (probably the kind of guy I'll be at 60,) gets the bite put on him. Those Rice Krispy treats were cute too, with the pumpkins on 'em. (Stop whining Vroom, you have a rep to maintain.)
the BEST site for Catchup on Buffy by EmilyQFan	Oct 31st, 2001 03:58:17 AM
www.buffyguide.com Each ep gets a full summary, monstervision,kill ratio, dialog to die for, dialog to bury, goof and gaffs They even break it down by themes, Faith eps Spike and Dru The Master Angel/Angelus The best site BY FAR to catch up on the show just click on Ep guide and GO NUTS!! Lora
Tequila.... by EmilyQFan	Oct 31st, 2001 04:04:00 AM
Dont be scared. James has a GREAT voice. Probably the best on the show along with ASH. He has a band and plays all the time. I have heard recording on www.jamesmarsters.com
Sick of all these Willow/Dark Phoenix Comparisons by codename-v	Oct 31st, 2001 04:35:46 AM
Ok, they are somewhat accurate, but let's get off the geek turnpike for a little while. It will be a great moment for the show when Willow becomes the big bad. It will harken back to the first two seasons (especially the second one) when even characters we liked were in danger of death. Tara is the one that is in the most obvious danger since Buffy can't fight Willow's magic, so it will probably come to a showdown between everybody's two favorite lesbian witches. Tara will die and Willow...well, it is implausible that Willow will die, however. At least not by Buffy's hand. What will really probably happen is that the Scoobs will end up in the Blue Area of the Moon to fight for the true and good Willow, and Willow, seeing the evil acts she's committed after her power totally corrupts her, she throws herself in front of a laser beam as she screams "SCOTT!" and Tara will scream "JEAN!". Then again, maybe not.
When did Willow get this dumb? by It's A Duck	Oct 31st, 2001 05:03:51 AM
She used to be the smart one of the bunch. Genius even. Now she's a rather ditzy moron with all the book-smarts still but none of the common sense. From the careless screwing around in the Troll Hammer episode and the pop-em-all-into-another-dimens ion whimsy in the last episode, etc., Willow has become completely retarded. Optimistic, but retarded. "Nothing will go wrong," indeed. She might as well have been waving around a cocked Ruger Redhawk and saying, "Don't worry, it's not loaded. See..." BLAM! **** It still looks like Willow will turn Dark Phoenix on the group, but it also seems much more likely that she will waste a bunch of people with a careless accident.
Crouching Buffy, Hidden Giles by szquirrel	Oct 31st, 2001 08:11:53 AM
And the score is: Dawn: 1 Spike: 1 Buffy: 2 Giles: THREE, BABY! SUCK IT! That flying jumpkick was sweet! GO NINJA-GILES!
I'm with ya Vroom. . . by RenoNevada2000	Oct 31st, 2001 09:45:30 AM
I was hoping we'd see a few minutes of chase the teens with a knife/slasher fun. Just a loony with a jones to see some dead kids. I really don't think we've ever seen the show tackle this w/out a supernatural explaination behind it. Still the reversal was nicely done.
Has anyone ever thought.... by Thalya	Oct 31st, 2001 09:53:56 AM
...that as vampires are made, the proportion of demon in the blood goes down along the line? Like, the Master was serious demon, but then down through Darla, Angel, and Dru to Spike it weakened? (Ricean, I know) Think slayer's blood could've eradicated some of the demon and restored any humanity? And going back to season 2 and the judge, he said Spike and Dru stunk of humanity..then does humanity mean suffering (light bulb That's how Buffy has a normal life: she suffers)? Spike's always love-stricken (and always has been) and Dru's just Dru whereas Angelus, without a soul, did not suffer in the least thus he was clean when the judge touched him. It just seems that Spike's always been like this and the chip just helped him realize it all the more; I'm wondering if the pre-chip Spike was really more of the human William's evil side rather than the demon in him, which would help explain why he could be turned more easily. What do all of you think? poof
Thayla by kodachikuno	Oct 31st, 2001 10:58:38 AM
I guess they just don't make vampires like they used to.
Sledgehammer5050... by Funkaboo	Oct 31st, 2001 11:15:44 AM
Give them a break. You mentioned some of the actors being very nasal when they sang. Well, understand that they are not singers/actors and that Buffy is not a musical Broadway production. I fully expected that most if not all of them would not be perfect singers. When I run across people who don't like musicals, their main complaint is that it's not believable, "You mean to tell me that these people walk around and just suddenly burst into song with everyone knowing the words and the bystanders knowing the dance steps and everyone can sing?" The Buffy Musical seems to be paying hommage and poking fun all at the same time and part of that is that not everyone is going to sound like Judy Garland. From the commercials it seems that they really put a lot of effort and preparation into it, I think that's great. Can you imagine being an actor on a show for six years when suddenly TPTB come to you and say, "We're doing a musical and yes, you will be singing"? :-) I can't sing and in fact, I don't think I know anyone in my family or friends that can really so if some demon came to my town and cast a spell causing us all to burst into song and dance to express our thoughts and feeling for 24 hours, I'm sure that more than a few of us would be nasal. In fact, that might be a compliment. Lighten up. I think next week's episode will be one of those that right after it's over, you gotta rewind it and watch it again. Then you can fast forward through the nasal parts...if you want. :-) N.
Things I know to be true by ZakChase	Oct 31st, 2001 11:49:45 AM
1.) Herc gets more annoying by the week. Could he be any more full of himself concerning his infamous Buffy spoiler posts? (2.) If "Buffy" stays this good for the rest of the TV year, Season 6 will be remembered along with Seasons 2 and 3 as the "Buffy" masterworks. (3.) I don't know what happened at "Angel," but they need to fire the entire writing staff. This week's "The Shining" ripoff was the last straw. (4.) "Buffy" is always better when the scoobies are fighting themselves [i.e. the gang vs. evil Angel; the gang vs. Faith; and now, the gang vs. evil Willow] rather than some Big Bad. (5.) Next week's musical episode is going to rock big time. (6.) People who read spoilers before they watch the show are idiots. Enjoy Joss' worlds WHILE they unfold, not before! Frickin' morons.
relationships, blade, sorry n slagging off at school. FUCK by shlong	Oct 31st, 2001 11:59:37 AM
sorry if i sparked another buff/ spike debate. guys it's gonna happen even though its a shit idea for relationship in my veiw. i hope they just use it as a catalyst to intenseify the drama for the season. thus ending the b/s fling very quickly, causing a rift between characters and come up with a sudstantial reason as to why buffy lead herself astray like that(i.e. to spike). i really like the the angel cordy relatioship , i think she is way more important to him than buffy ever was, and what makes it so good is that it's a non sexual relationship. i think that dawn and spike should develop really close relationship like that as well. i'm not convinced that xander and anya should stay together, splittin them up would make for good action, plus i think he belongs with cordy or buffy(cordy/xandu still the best relationship theyv'e had on the show). i reason that all the romances have doomed feel is that the characters are still on a journey to get somewhere which they hav not yet found. thats why i feel an end of series happy ending is required, cos isnt that why we all watch for..... to see them eventually all get what they've strived for. also buffy needs to find her heaven on earth or love for life again over the next season or else the only happy end for her wud be to die, and that wud just suck. anyway isn't gellersass a information buffy web site???????? more importantly (BLADE) WHAT THIS "a Jessica Alba and Kathrine Heigel sandwich" ALL ABOUT?????
Buffy can't fight by DELG	Oct 31st, 2001 11:59:57 AM
I hope someone else has noticed this, Buffy can go toe to toe with a godlike being such as Glory, but gets her ass kicked repeatedly by run of the mill, teenage nameless vampires. Such as last night, she fights one of the upstart vampires out on Halloween, and it takes her at least two minutes to beat one and decapitate him in a car door. I love the show, but little inconsistencys in her powers and other things drive me nuts!
hmmmm by halloweenjack	Oct 31st, 2001 12:04:24 PM
okay. I got to watch the detroit pistons last night. thanks upn. anyhow. i'm a new buffy watcher. i've been watching the reruns and the new eps. so, i'm a bit confused. when does spike turn good? how come when the ampires bite somebody, there's rarely a trickle of blood to be found? why do the vamps clothes turn to dust when they die? when do the evil geeks start turning evil? am i the only person that finds xander's constant quipping annoying? why does buffy forgive angel after he turned evil again? so many questions. any help would be appreciated.
The Evil Trio by DyslexicHeart	Oct 31st, 2001 12:26:19 PM
I've heard the rumors of Anya and Willow teaming up to be the Big Bads for either this season or next and I don't believe the Nerdy evil trio is going to be all that dangerous. I do believe that it's possible there is going to be another Evil Trio that is really evil. This Evil Trio could be the Big Bad to end all Big Bads if it were compromised of Willow, a back to human form Amy and Xander. Tara will perish soon, Giles is gone, Angel is in L.A. and raising a kid, Joyce is dead. If Willow and Xander turned on Buffy it would be the ultimate backstab because they are the only long-time friends she stil has around. This would force Buffy, Dawn, Spike and Anya to band together. I could forsee a Spike/Anya romance blooming, which would make far more sense than a Spike/Buffy or Xander/Anya. I could also see the Nerdy trio getting wiped out save for Jonathan, who would then join the new scooby gang. Towards the end of Season 7, Faith finally gets out of prison and comes back to Sunnydale. Her and Jonathan fall in love and decide to perform a spell where Faith dies and is revived only after the Slayer line is passed on to Dawn. Buffy decides to let Dawn be her own person now and leaves Sunnydale to visit Angel who is in the midst of an apocalpyse. Buffy and Angel save the world one last time but both perish while doing it and they live happily ever after-life. Joss Whedon hands the reigns of "Dawn The Vampire Slayer" t.v. show over to someone else and Hollywood finally wakes up to the fact that Whedon is a genuis and they let him make awesome films like his "Iron Man" adaptation.
Spike and Buffy by Lisel	Oct 31st, 2001 01:46:07 PM
What the hell is up with you people? I'm so sick of getting on here and reading all your posts about how you don't want Buffy to be with Spike. The whole reason Joss is putting these two together is because the chemistry they have had since the beginning has been palpable. I mean, it's like the room is on fire everytime they are together. We've already seen that it's a disaster putting Buffy with a "normal" guy - I mean, BORING. Buffy is not normal - she is the slayer and is stronger than any human male. She needs someone who she can trust, who will love her for herself, and can take care of himself as well as her. Spike has proven again and again his love and dedication to the Summers girls - what else does the guy have to do to be worthy in your eyes? Die for her? He would - he would die for her or Dawn in a second and that to me is what true love is. You're all so accepting of Angel because he has a soul, but remember that Angel was GIVEN a soul. For Spike it's not been so easy. He is earning his soul I think because he has a choice - and he chooses to be good. Oh, and BTW - for all you people who keep saying that they shouldn't have sex - my response to that is: WHY THE HELL NOT?? They are both adults and adults do have sex if you hadn't noticed. The attraction is there and I'd rather see Buffy have sex with Spike (who is unbelievably sexy) than that stupid lunkhead, Riley anyday. I had to watch an entire season and then some of the two of them going at it so you guys can shut up and watch Buffy and Spike get it on.
DyslexicHeart by RenoNevada2000	Oct 31st, 2001 02:10:15 PM
I really hate to argue with a Paul Westerburg fan, but your theory is crazier than a room full of gibbons on crack.
question by halloweenjack	Oct 31st, 2001 02:45:58 PM
this has nothing to do with buffy. but if i need to change my email address with aicn,where do i go or do i have to re-register for talk back?
BUFFY & ANGEL by RLGYNY	Oct 31st, 2001 02:48:01 PM
Do ANY of you follow the story lines? It seems to me that the diehard Buffy and Angel fans have missed one of Joss Whedon's BEST hints as to the future of the two shows. In one of the best episode's of ANGEL last year, ANGEL rides down an elevator presumably to hell with Mackenzie, one of the lawyers offed by Darla and Drusilla. At the end of the ride, the dors open on LA, planet earth. Mackenzie has also just side "evil doesn't exist in spite of good, it exist because of good." And proceeds to show ANGEL that Wolfram & Hart is a product of the earth. The result was hell is on earth. Don't believe me? Well then please note the episode of BUFFY this season when Buffy confesses to Spike that the hell her friends rescued her from was in fact heaven. "Everything here is hard and bright and violent. This is hell." Again, hell is on earth! And from some of what I have read on this and other Buffy sites there seems tro be some confusion over last year as to the "gift" the first Slayer said was to be Buffy's. Look at the titke of the Season 5 finale. Buffy's gift wasn't that should could kill. Her gift from the Powers that Be was her death. They were taking her from hell (which as we now now is earth) and moving her to another plane of existence. And gee, she dies and what happens? WILLOW steals her gift. Buffy was happy dead. She says that she knew her friends were safe and everything was okay. Now, WILLOW, in a move that reeks of selfishness and greed has taken that gift from Buffy. I can't wait to see what happens this season! Buffy rocks!
G** Damn Basketball!!! by Led Gopher	Oct 31st, 2001 03:05:55 PM
Well it figures that once again the world of overpaid arrogant sports figures has to go and ruin my chance to see BTVS this week. The UPN affiliate WXSP here in west MI decided to air an NBA game without letting us the viewers know, so while I was away thinking the VCR would be recording BTVS and Roswell when the shows were supposed to be on, I get to returnm home to find a lousy b-ball game!!! :( Why couldn't they at WXSP at least let us know during the previous episodes last week? Or better yet why couldn't they show the game on, I don't know, maybe a SPORTS channel like ESPN? I mean that's what those channels are for anyway right? Well as long as I do NOT miss next weeks Buffy, I suppose I'll be fine. But it pisses me off when this shit happens, and they're not even going to show the eps again, had I known, I would've set the VCR to start 3 hours later when the shows actually aired. Damn lousy pre-empted sports!!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
The Saga of Buffy and Spike by Cajun Lightning	Oct 31st, 2001 03:20:54 PM
First off, I missed last nights episode which pisses me off to no end. But I wanted to chime in on the Buffy/Spike thing cause hell, I can. As for sexual tension, please. Those two have had it since day one. Yeah, it was in the form of wanting to kill each other but I mean, look at Batman and Catwoman, if I need to make a comic reference to drive the point home. And to be honest, I think they've played it like they have a connection aside from the sexual, especially now that Buffy has died. They always got each other, though Buffy doesn't like to admit that. Though I hate the idea of them having a long term relationship, I think it makes perfect sense and makes for great television. Love to see how it plays out.
Sucks for those of you who missed it. [HOT PANTS HERE!] by It's A Duck	Oct 31st, 2001 04:13:11 PM
Yes, that right, we had Anya skating around in HOT PANTS for much of the episode. (Well, not actually hot pants, but close enough, anyway.) Do the Dance of Capitalist Superiority and Charlie's Angel Shorts! **** Seriously though, if you missed it you can probably download it off one of many file-sharing programs. If you don't have broadband, perhaps you could organize a snail-mail CD-R or VHS exchange. Not that I support piracy of course... maybe you could leave the commercials in. I said it already, but it bears repeating: "Shiver me timbers, baby!" WAR HOT PANTS AND PREMARITAL CELEBRATIONS.
To The New Guy by KeSoze	Oct 31st, 2001 04:26:53 PM
Started watch during the Season 3 finale, but I feel your pain. Watching the old ones now. "When does spike turn good?" Mid season 4 -- military guys called "The Initiative" put a chip in his head that prevents him from hurting anyone "good". I think the chip's still in there. "How come when the ampires bite somebody, there's rarely a trickle of blood to be found?" They drink it. "Why do the vamps clothes turn to dust when they die?" Who cares? "When do the evil geeks start turning evil?" They're not evil... just 'empowered'. "Am I the only person that finds Xander's constant quipping annoying?" No. He's never had a normal line of dialogue. I know many people like him. "Why does buffy forgive angel after he turned evil again?" The old shows are just about to explain. I need to stop reading these boards. They lessen my enjoyment of the show.
RLGYNY's Insight by QuintusSertorius	Oct 31st, 2001 07:29:40 PM
RLGYNY - Kudos on your amazing perspicacity and analysis of the nature and location of hell. Quite an excellent reading-between-the-lines on your part. SPQR-Quintus
UPN sucks by kodachikuno	Oct 31st, 2001 07:42:21 PM
I too missed Buffy last night because of a cursed UPN affiliate (Kings b-ball was on instead). At least they had the courtesy to inform Buffy viewers during the previous week's ep. That really sucks, Led Gopher. I realize that the problem lies with the affiliate and not necessarily UPN, but the WB doesn't show sporting events, so it was never a problem. I have a feeling this is not going to be the only time Buffy is axed for sports. Thank god for sweeps month.
Halloweenjack.. you'll have to read the episodes by Good Cake	Oct 31st, 2001 07:53:42 PM
... for really detailed episode descriptions, go to http://members.aol.com/LRL94/b uffy.html. Click on the actual episode for the longer description. Happy reading!
Sledgehammer5050 - Here's a reality check. Cash at your conv by Geekgrrl	Oct 31st, 2001 08:42:12 PM
Magic would be a bad thing to mess with in real life.... If it existed! Last time I checked, no one was really able to put an entire room on mute with a single word or instantly conjure up party decorations out of thin air. Reality check - this is a fictional show, and anyone who thinks otherwise has some serious mental issues and would be just as dangerous if they were re-enacting scenes from Dawson's Creek.
You can tell people are watching FX(and Herc, don't let them by Drath	Oct 31st, 2001 11:03:53 PM
I think people are challenging Herc to pan the Musical with all these "just watch, he'll give it six or five stars the Whedon-Whore!" Well guess what, he's a fan of the show, and with Joss's track record it will probably please it's fans so there! Go with your gut, Herc. But if the episode actually sucks, well that'll just suck. **** Okay, so people are watching Buffy reruns on FX! Suddenly nothing can compare to the Xander/Cordy relationship, this season is repetitive of season 2--currently being rerun--and we miss the Willow/Oz chemistry. Well I can't argue about that last one, but the Cordy/Xander relationship was mostly thanks to Charisma Carpenter's charm and talent, and it's Xander who ruins it in season 3(but notice the seeds are there, he's not really in love with Cordelia). And the fact that this season may remember season 2 is a GOOD thing. It is not that similar anyway as this is a gradual transformation we're seeing in Willow. It's more akin to the fall of Faith in season 3, but will potentially have the impact of Angel's truning which is hands down the strongest arch they've ever done. Still, I love Willow and am not anxious to see her turn evil or die. I think that emotional conflict is something the writers will use well though. ** RLGYNY, nice insights. What I like is that Willow really did believe she was helping Buffy and didn't/doesn't see her more selfish motivation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions(hell meaning when you're evil, not the whole earth is hell thing, which was a good suggestion even though they have made it clear there are painful demensions that fit the hell description more than earth). The scene where Willow expected Giles to compliment her and shower her in thankful praise for bringing back Buffy was very well done. But she's not a clear cut bad person yet, which is what's making her transformation all the more real and heartbreaking. Of course, if they can rehabilitate Faith, they can rehabilitate anybody! **** And my last thought, I liked the Dawn story this episode. I thought Dawn was a Freshman last year, but then if she was then she'd be the same age now as Buffy was when the show started(which is creepy). But still, I liked the flirting with a Vamp stuff. I still hold out hope that she'll get a love interest who isn't really evil but is pitted against Buffy(and could take her out). A big bad like that would be interesting since we haven't seen Buffy having to play the mom to a girl dating a dangerous but likable guy. And I hope that guy who said Giles isn't going to leave, but instead will die was wrong! I'd hate for that to be ASH's departure. It would be too much for me frankly. We've had enough death, and I was just starting to appreciate the logic behind his eminant departure! Buffy expecting him discipline Dawn for her was quite a big sign I think.
Buffy and Spike by Marilee	Oct 31st, 2001 11:19:17 PM

Buffy and Spike by Marilee	Oct 31st, 2001 11:25:46 PM
I think that Buffy and Spike are the hottest couple on TV. I loved Angel and Buffy (of course Riley sucked) but there is something special about Spike. Spike chooses his actions. His chip makes it so he cannot hurt humans (or does it? Joss has left this open) but that does not mean he has to help Buffy or watch out for Dawn. Angel had to be good. Once he got his soul he was steeped in guilt that he had no choice. Spike has choice, that is what makes his actions so worthy. I like the fact that Spike does not sit around moping about his past deeds. This is one of the things about Angel that I get tired of. My advice - "You did bad things, get over it already. Next!" Will Spike still do bad things? Probably, after all he is William the Bloody. I think that it will be very interesting. Does anybody know if the Legion of Nerdy Doom is going to sing next week. I cannot wait!
My response to people who have to argue everything..... by sledgehammer5050	Oct 31st, 2001 11:35:56 PM
Ok this first one is for 'Geekgrrl'...when I said witchcraft is a dangerous thing...I was not talking the show being real. I said there is a line between the show and reality...but, I still feel that even acting it is dangerous. There is a such thing as witchcraft...heck, even the Bible mentions it a lot. It says plenty about not getting involved with it...King Saul in the Book of David went to a Witch the day before he committed suicide. Ok, now, maybe you don't believe in the Bible and that's fine...but, for the good book to even mention that withcraft is around...come on. I'm not sure what kind of sheltered life you live in, but there is a such thing. Now, most people who deal with witchcraft think they are creating the power them selves but don't realize it is a power that can easily overtake them and lures them blidly into a bottomless pit. Believe what you want or be a jerk to me as much as you want...I just thought I'd mention a new idea besides the whole Buffy/spike thing going on. -------------And to Funkaboo...I'm watching the episode next week so I am giving the actors a chance of singing. I did say I was impressed so back off. I feel that if you are going to do a musical...it doesn't have to be real because 80% of the musicals out there are very fictional....but, it ought to be good quality stuff all the way around. Sometimes I feel that Whedon is writing it just to say that ..."yeah, I've done one before." When there are people who live on writing musicals and professional singers work their rears off for almost no money for something they love. If there is a performance, it should be the best possible. That's all I'm saying. I am impressed with the music. I think it'll be fine.
Overnight ratings. :One big change by MGTHEDJ	Nov 1st, 2001 04:55:42 AM
GG beat Buffy again 4.8/7 to 4.4/6. But the big change was "Smallville" came in 4th, beating the rerun of Alias and Roswell's "Max in L.A." ep. Angel tied with UPN's sitcoms on Monday. So the tuesday night slaughter-fest continues.-----later-----m
"Why don't you pull that broomstick out of your Dawn!" by Heffaloo	Nov 1st, 2001 05:41:30 AM
How did a broomstick get in Dawn. Who put it there? Did someone take photos? Anyway, someone asked how Angel got into Giles's's's apartment in "Passion" without being invited. I though he got invited in during season 1 when they were talking about getting a copy of the prophecy of Buffy's death when she faces the Master. I could be wrong. Anyway, Adam proved that the, um, wait a minute, there's a Shakira video on. (Skip a few minutes drooling) Okay, where was I? Oh yeah, Adam proved that the cross thing was psychosomatic, and Angel has at least one recorded instance of entering a dwelling without being invited. Maybe it's all in the state of mind.
FX Buffy Marathon by Funkaboo	Nov 1st, 2001 07:07:45 AM
Just a little FYI: FX will be airing a Buffy marathon later this month ( I think around Thanksgiving)it will run from 12pm-2am. You can go to their site, www.fxnetworks.com, and vote for the episodes you think should air. Just click on CONTESTS up top, then XBALLOT, then click on the Buffy pic to the right. The one drawback is that you can only pick THREE, but you can vote more than once if I'm not mistaken. I voted for (if anyone cares): Doppelgangland: Vamp Willow and the best line...Willow: I think the evil me is sorta gay. I Only Have Eyes For You: I think this episode has the best of both worlds. You got the evil Angel and at the end you got a possessed Angelus and Buffy acting out, Buffy playing the jilted lover and the best line delivered by Buffy to Angel: Don't walk away from me, bitch! The way he growls then pushes her away when they kiss as the ghosts leave their bodies is great. The line of spittle between theirs mouths I coulda done without but picky picky. And finally it had a true Joss Whedon-jaw dropping-final scene: Spike standing up in the wheelchair. Hooray! Something Blue: The one where eveything Willow wishes comes true and Spike and Buffy believe they are engaged, Xander becomes a demon magnet and Giles loses his sight. Best line delivered by Xander after seeing Buffy and Spike kiss: Can I be blind too? So go vote and share your choices here, real curious to see what people picked or email me at Funkaboo412@aol.com
Willow becoming "vampy"? by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 1st, 2001 08:19:51 AM
Speaking of VampWillow, anybody else notice that in the Halloween episode, Willow's overall look (paler skin, hair, and outfits) sort of brought to mind VampWillow's? As others have predicted, it seems like we're starting to see Willow gradually evolving toward a more evil look.
Buffy,Spike,Willow & Dawn by Wicked Willow	Nov 1st, 2001 08:43:56 AM
I really liked this year's Halloween:Anya's dance of Capitalist Superiority(I've indulged in that),Spike & Buffy in the Magic Box basement(rough & tumble,indeedgirlish giggle),Dawn's double trouble date(it's sad that the first guy she's kissed is also the first vamp she's had to slay),Xander's announcement("I thought you were waiting for the right moment. I did" AWWW). Ok-is it just me or did Dawn take her time about staking her would-be sire? I've read somewhere that the coin Dawn swiped from the Magic Box has something to do with next week's musical episode(Can't Wait!!!)which makes sense-JW would'nt add this trait to her character without a purpose. I have no probelm with Buffy & Spike finally getting together-will it last? No,but you can only carry off sexual tension on a show so far before it starts to get annoying. Besides,Buffy's in a different frame of mind from her afterworld experience and I hope that it is revealed during the musical episode. Willow,Willow,Willow...glad to see Tara taking a stand on her reckless magic use(that little dimension shifting spell at the Bronze could of backfired bigtime)but if she keeps getting hit with forget-me-yes spells,how long will that last? Willow's whole probelm is that she doesn't see magic as a force to be used carefully and respected-to her,it's a power source that she can tap into whenever/wherever she wants. Remember Maggie Walsh! Also,I think it's possible that Ethan Rayne could come back to be Willow's evil mentor(when Giles told Willow that there were others that could do what she did,I know he had Ethan on that list)or take over the Legion of Goons or both. After all,they didn't kill him off,just sent him to a gov't detainment center(he's probaly a special occult advisor for the Feds by now)and when Giles leaves,I suspect that everyone will be too busy focusing on other things to keep an eye on our Miss Willow.
FutureGuy, YOU'RE the one messing up the Continuum by Drath	Nov 1st, 2001 10:19:26 AM
By posting these spoilers in the first place so don't you go blaming other people for YOUR actions, bub. Fortunately your "spoilers" are bull.
Because I'm a person "that has to argue with everything" Sle by Geekgrrl	Nov 1st, 2001 11:10:03 AM
I'll tell you that I didn't say people didn't think they were witches or that the Bible doesn't mention them (It mentions demons, too. Does that mean we should object to the whole Anya/Xander relationship or the idea of Lorne as a character? Or heck, Spike and Angel both are technically "demon possesed," so even tolerating them for a little bit is encouraging demon possesion.) There are people who think they are witches, and there are people who call themselves Christians who are much more evil, imho. I'm not going to judge people for wanting to play witch, and I do believe in the Bible. If witches have been around for so long, then I highly doubt that anyone needs Joss' show to come up with the idea. I am not anti-Christian. I hate the implication that anyone who doesn't hold to whatever group's strict interpretation must somehow themselves be a pagan. I'm not. That also doesn't mean that I have to literally interpret everything - esp without a deep understanding of exactly what is actually being said - in the KJV much of the translation is biased towards the political inclinations of the translators, for instance, the passage where Eve is told that she is cursed to experience pain in childbirth was actually incorrectly translated and used to call midwives witches for easing the pain of delivery. Eve was actually told that labor would be hard work, not painful. Many times when the word witch was used in the King James, it was replacing a different term, and most of the modern translations are based on King James. Now, enough of the Bible arguments, because I can keep going for a long time, and most people have better things to read than my rants. --- I personaly would like to think that we live in a more enlightened time where people are able to distinguish fact from fiction and enjoy a well written fictional show without getting paranoid that kids are going to try it at home. Unfortunatly I can't forget about the "other-people's-kids" syndrome. Why not focus on Pro-Wrestling? That's already been proven to be more likely to be immulated by kids -- there's already been at least one death attributed to it. Or the vitrol that some "Christians" broadcast about how the US deserved to be attacked, since we have so many homosexuals and militant feminists. Or how Muslims are all violent by nature. I think that's a far more dangerous line thinking, don't you? Esp, because they present themsleves as telling the TRUTH. If you want to suggest that Joss find other (probably more boring) plot lines, fine. I'm here to counter that and suggest that he do no such thing! I like the witchcraft on the show, and I'm not about to out and try to summon Cthulu because of it, and I don't think most viewers are, either. Like I said, anyone who thinks the show is real was already mentally imbalanced, and any show would be equally dangerous for them to watch.
Marilee by kodachikuno	Nov 1st, 2001 02:37:52 PM
I think you've got that backwards. Angel has choice. Spike doesn't. There's nothing stopping Angel from feeding on humans except himself (for instance in the ep Angel from season 1--his instinct wanted to feed on Joyce but stopped himself). The whole story line with Darla last season on Ats was about Angel struggling with his choices. On the other hand, Spike (at least when he was first tagged by the Initiative) wanted to be killing and wreaking mayhem. But apparantely the physical pain of the chip was more intense than the pleasure he got from feeding. So he ended up getting his jollies by beating up demons instead. So, a couple of years later, Spike has gotten used to not feeding on humans. The real choice for Spike would come when the chip is removed or deactivated. If/when that happens he will have to choose.
a few thoughts.... by Joss is Jesus	Nov 1st, 2001 04:03:11 PM
1) Why can't Willow just curse Spike the same way she did Angel? Then he'd have his soul back 2) would be neat if one reason for Willows 'darkening' is that her use of magics is somehow leeching her soul/personality and transposing it with the Evil Willow from the previous eps? (Member that?) Then it would be neat when the gang realizes it, to try to restore Willow. 3) JW could use Spike's behavior to metaphorically deal w/ addictive personalities. And that his continuing inability to indulge his Evil side is weening him. After all we know that before he was turned, he was a sweet, poetic guy. the 'new' Spike would be a great mix of evil/good traits.
oope, 1 more thing. by Joss is Jesus	Nov 1st, 2001 04:05:45 PM
Spike and Buffy can commiserate that both will never be with there 'true loves' (Angel and Dru). Sometimes that kind of bond is just as strong, and it's just as 'real'.
Vampire's dusting by Skeletron	Nov 1st, 2001 04:58:06 PM
My theory; When the vampires get staked, the heat up internally to incredible temperatures so they don't really 'dust' they more burn to ashes and burn the clothes in an instant.
dusting... by thewoodpecker	Nov 1st, 2001 05:45:03 PM
Form what I understand about the vampire folk lore, vamps are corpses with an evil, or in the Whedon verse, demonic conciousness (sp?) keeping them upright. When the demon or conciousness is killed, the body reverts back to it's natural state: a dead person who's decay has been prevented by the drinking of blood. Thus, the magic holding the body together dissipates and the body rots like it was supposed to all along.
Spike, gypsy curses, the Big Bad, dusting, and did I mention the by It's A Duck	Nov 1st, 2001 05:52:10 PM
I agree that there doesn't seem to be any reason why Willow couldn't just curse Spike (or any other vampire) with Soul 2.0 or something - it didn't seem like a big deal either of the times Angel got hit by the gypsy whammy. ** Spike has referred to himself as the Big Bad for quite some time now (since before the chip, anyway). I don't think it foreshadows anything. Maybe vampire clothes get dusted because they get saturated by evil too if the vamp wears them long enough (I'm assuming most vamps don't change clothes or bathe too regularly). ** Anya in hotpants? Check. Who's next?
Theories on giving vampires souls by Geekgrrl	Nov 1st, 2001 06:15:50 PM
Problem is, that it doesn't necessarily make them good. Witness the body switcher on Angel a couple of weeks ago. He had a soul, but it didn't stop him from being totally evil and wanting to kill people. I agree that Spike with a soul would be a force to behold - but not necessarily a good force. Besides, you start handing out souls like they're candy canes, and you'll screw with all that Angel prophesy.
RE: Spike big bad by Funkaboo	Nov 1st, 2001 06:28:54 PM
Not only does he refer to himself as "big bad" when he ran across Harmony again and her "minions" he said to her, "Oh, so what? You're the big bad now?" N.
more "yadda yadda yadda" by Joss is Jesus	Nov 1st, 2001 07:43:56 PM
Gellar's Ass, I could buy the whole "clothes imbued with Evil" point in that, after time, clothes do smell like the owner. call it 'essence' or whatever. GeekGrrl: I would agree about not handing out souls like 'candy canes' (gotta like that). But I have to ask the TRUE fans what the EXACT prophecy says. Is there supposed to be only 1 vamp with a soul (stated explicitly)? Also, does that mean the gypsy curse was created only for Angel? Never used before then? In conclusion, I must say the JW is the ONLY writer I've come across that gives me TOTAL FAITH that they can do their job satisfactorily. After being burned so often on other fare (Trek, BIG EXAMPLE) I was almost beyond saving on that point. Whatever he does, I am assured it will be GREAT. (and I don't have to be afraid to Critically Analyze whatever he does, cause I know it'll STAND UP) woohoo, WHEDON Rocks
Be sure show to set your VCRs! by SpicyMeatball	Nov 1st, 2001 08:33:48 PM
slight spoiler below . . . . In whats sure to become a classic Willow and Tara scene from the musical. Tara serenades Willow with a love song and after the song they go back to the summer home to make love. We see Tara lie down on the bed and suggestive scene of Willow going down on her, Willow is sooo good Tara begins to levitate!!! classic!!!
Stauf (7th Guest)/Crazy old man from this ep. by Zro	Nov 2nd, 2001 05:25:19 PM

Stauf (7th Guest)/Crazy old man from this ep. by Zro	Nov 2nd, 2001 05:27:32 PM
Anyone else see the connections between the crazy old guy in this weeks episode to Stauf from The 7th Guest or 11th Hour? Crazy old guy who used to be a toymaker who likes to kill kids and lives in a creepy house... or maybe it's just me.
Cursing vamps with souls by Drath	Nov 2nd, 2001 05:55:26 PM
Personally, I think the vampires all just being snarling monsters is a terribly uninteresting take on vampires(fits my idea of werewolves though), and while I'd find it much more interesting if they just cursed all these vamps with souls, there's a problem with that. It's a curse! They're not supposed to be happy, the soul is only restored to make them (que over dramatic eurotrash accent) SUFFER! So if Spike had his soul back and could have Buffy, he wouldn't be suffering so he'd just lose the soul again wouldn't he? Also, it seemed that Angel's curse was something archaic that Ms. Calendar had reconstruct, so it might not work for just any old vampire. But that's getting anal, I know. Still, if cursing vamps would work then too bad they didn't think of this in the last episode. Poor Dawn wouldn't have had to stake her first kiss. And shoot, now that Angel's gonna be a dad he should curse Darla and save himself from the whole single father scene.
Spike's lack of soul and Sledgehammer.. by BuffyFANatic	Nov 2nd, 2001 10:08:48 PM
Why doesn't willow do the soul thing on spike? WHY???? Hmmm....that's a tough question (please note sarcasm). That worked SO WELL when they did it with angel, huh? He spent a bazillion years brooding and had to desert the love of his life. That's one minor point...angel doesn't praise his being right now, I think that if he had a choice he'd rather be floating around in heaven right now...but this is just my opinion. My next reason is pure fact. Having a soul changes a vampire's personality. Look at the difference between Angelus and Angel. Right now Spike's fighting for the side of good...why the hell would they give him a soul? What would be the point in that? So Buffy can justify falling in love with him...but...wait...that wouldn't work, cause then he'd have to join the LA crowd in case he got a happy from Buffy. Not to mention the fact that if she IS falling in love with him (which I think at this point is fairly obvious) why would she want somebody with a completely different personality. The way I see it, Angel is ten times more dangerous then Spike right now. He can go evil anytime. Spike can't. Does anybody really want another souled vampire around? Not I said the fly...oh, and I just wanted to say...what's up with all the religion speak. I gotta put this in due to the fact that I go to a catholic school and therefore end up analyzing the bible far too much. Sledgehammer...the bible is not meant to be taken literally. There are people out there who let poisoness snakes bite them because it 'says so in the bible'. Way back when demons were exorcised from the body due to everyday illness. People didn't understand what was happening to them so they blamed the otherworldly. This does not mean demons exist and this does not mean magic exists. I DO think that people make magic dangerous but its from the gothic things that generally go along with it. Sacrifice is a big theme in magic and people cut themselves and mess with fire to "perform spells." Buffy, however, is proving how magic can have a very bad effect on people. It's messing Willow up big time and she's already paying for her mistakes. So, pretending magic does exist (it doesn't) Buffy is in no way influencing little kids to go out and practive raising the dead or something. With that said, please don't relate demons and witchcraft back to the bible. Take everything in that book with a grain of salt, my friend.

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