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BLADE RUNNER presented in L.A., Ridley Details a bit about the new cut coming soon!

The most notable scene in Blade Runner's new cut: by Edsel	Sep 24th, 2001 05:48:53 AM
The coda wherein Ridley Scott address the audience and says" "Yup! Decker's a Replicant! Mystery solved! And hey, Verbal Kint is Keyzer Soze! And 'Rosebud' is Kane's fuckin' SLED! Goodnight everybody!"
Finally I can add Blade Runner to my DVD collection by Ghibli-San	Sep 24th, 2001 05:49:38 AM
It has been far too long without it. The time is near. LOTR tonight before Angel.........the time can not go fast enough
I like Harrison Ford so much by durhay	Sep 24th, 2001 05:52:32 AM
I named my son after him. Okay, after George Harrison too.
suck my Phillip K! by bigtime_charly	Sep 24th, 2001 05:54:02 AM
This sounds great. Saw a screening of Blade Runner last weekend in London and it still looks awesome. I was surprised at how slow it feels now in comparison to todays
suck my Phillip K! by bigtime_charly	Sep 24th, 2001 05:57:15 AM
This sounds great. Saw a screening of Blade Runner last weekend in London and it still looks awesome. I was surprised at how slow it feels now in comparison to todays
The voice over Deckard gives at the end, right after Roy's "All by Herman Snerd	Sep 24th, 2001 06:13:49 AM

Read the book Future Noir for all the different cuts by matrix_sux	Sep 24th, 2001 06:14:02 AM
Now if they can realse a DVD where you can select which of several cuts you can watch.....
The original script by Flyingcircus	Sep 24th, 2001 06:51:08 AM
If you ever have a chance to read the original script, I highly recommend it. The thing reads like a 1940's Film Noir Detective story. I think the newer cuts of BR have destroyed this feeling, most especially by taking out Harrisson's voice over. As for the "happy ending" of the original, yeah, it probably should remain in the trashcan. The ending in the script was way better. It had a definite conclusion.
Skywalker by _Mohss	Sep 24th, 2001 07:31:05 AM
They didn't have the heart to correct his Star Wars/Harrison Ford mistake, but they DID have the heart to MAKE FUN OF HIM? Very cold.
Both Versions Please by Rowdie	Sep 24th, 2001 07:57:46 AM
When the DVD comes out, I hope it has both the original and directors cut on there via the magic of seamless branching. I know this opinion is blasphemous to the geek code but... I actually prefer the original version with the voice over. There I said it. I think it stems from that this was the version I saw when I was 13 and I'm on a big nostalgia trip. However misguided I may be, at least it gives us the chance to compare and contrast and make up our own minds.
Why is Ridley . . . by PaulKrendlerDuh	Sep 24th, 2001 08:02:09 AM
. . . answering the question as to whether or not Decker is a replicant? He didn't write the source material. How can he possibly answer a question that wasn't originally posed by him? Shouldn't people be asking Dick about this? And another thing, I heard way back when Ridley first "spilled the beans" ( or whatever ) about Decker that Ford was outraged or displeased or some P.C. term like that. Where does he get off? He's an actor! A good one but he was playing a part that could have been played by at least 10 other people. The point is that he doesn't get to have a say. I can sort of understand the Director answering the question ( even though he didn't pose it to begin with!!! ) but Ford saying something about it is ridiculous unless he says "cut it out you nerds! it's a movie!" or something. oh well, i really don't care either way. I just thought it was a little off for Ridley to be answering the question.
I mean "Deckard" or "Dekard" or . . . by PaulKrendlerDuh	Sep 24th, 2001 08:05:09 AM
. . . however the hell you spell that name. Not "Decker". my mistake...obviously.
Philip Dick is deceased... by jalora	Sep 24th, 2001 08:36:58 AM
Unfortunately, so I guess Ridley Scott's the final word on all things Replicant now.
Dammit! The film does NOT support Deckard being a replicant! by Blue Devil	Sep 24th, 2001 09:14:18 AM
First of all, it's implied that Deckard has been a cop for years- how could that be if he was one of the escaped replicants (remember, 6 escaped but only 5 were killed). Also, even though Rachel's memories were patchy, Deckard shows no sign of patchy memory- sure he looks at his photos a while, but that could be because he's reminiscing. And I don't want to hear anything about that unicorn dream crap! Just because he has a unicorn in his dream doesn't mean he's a replicant. I know people say replicants dream of unicorns, but that is nowhere stated nor implied in the film. Furthermore, Deckard shows no signs of being emotionally easy to fluster like the other replicants. In fact, he comes off as the most stable of the entire cast! Ridley may be saying Deckard is a replicant, but the statement is completely not supported by the film.
Looking forward to Legend... by tbrosz	Sep 24th, 2001 09:28:52 AM
I heard that there was a much better Jerry Goldsmith score in a European version. I would hope that this would be restored, at least as an option.
More Warners 'money for old rope' DVD by Rhett Butler	Sep 24th, 2001 09:29:31 AM
Any new version has to look better than the old rope Warner Brothers thinks fans will currently except on their feature-free DVD
Ridley is turning into some sort of little George Lucas with t by Horus	Sep 24th, 2001 10:31:26 AM
His tampering with it every couple of years and then rereleasing it, to the punters is starting to get annoying!It was a great film..but its in the past , he should try concentrating on the stuff hes doing now.Hannibal sucked so badly..I thought they wre going to take back any awards Ridley got for Gladiator!!.As for the Deckard as replicant business.It doesn't make sense and seems to mess up what Phillip K Dick was aiming at.In the Novel Deckard most certainly isnt an Android.And in the film he comes across as far too weak and feeble compared to the other replicants .. he feels pain for a start ..perhaps thats meant to show he's an advancement.Besides in that BladeRunner Documentory shown a while back , the entire cast seemed to think that the Deckard as a Replicant idea was never even mentioned during filming.It just seems to be something Ridley has cooked up in the time since the film was made .
So many cuts, so little time.... by matrix_sux	Sep 24th, 2001 10:34:02 AM
My question is, which will be considered the definitive cut? Will there be restored footage of Deckard visiting Holden in the hospital? FYI that little snipped was available in the Criterion Laserdisc release in their pic gallery. They've always done primo work. Sigh..
The Deckard visiting Holden scene.. by Horus	Sep 24th, 2001 10:42:04 AM
That scene was shown in a recent documentory screened on British tv.When you see it you realise straight away , why it was cut out.!Holden has some important dialogue , but the actor has to say it really fast!And it comes across as pretty poor.the iron lung thing he's in is made from Deckards kitchen sink!!!!???{The money was really running out by then}Believe me..it's interesting to se that scene...but you don't want it restored into the actuall movie.
Yes, the movie does support Deckard being a replicant by jeffty	Sep 24th, 2001 10:59:56 AM
Blue Devil: The director's cut explicitly supports Deckard-as-replicant. It's not because of any notion that replicants dream of unicorns; there's nothing in the film that would suggest anyone other than Deckard does. Rather, it's because Gaff, the character played by Edward J. Olmos, KNOWS Deckard dreamt of a unicorn, as evidenced by his final piece of origami, which Deckard sees just before the movie ends. Like Rachel's false memories, it shows that Deckard's dreams have been implanted from outside.
European cut of Legend by Lord Mall	Sep 24th, 2001 11:01:20 AM
I had a chance recently to see the European version of Legend. It's interesting to say the least. Jerry Goldsmith's score, no Darkness monologue, Lily singing to the unicorns, and other different things make it a bizarre version. I usually love orchestrated scores for movies and I was curious about Goldsmith's score, having heard only bits of it during extended versions shown on TV. I have to say in all honesty I completely understand why Scott ditched Goldsmith's score for Tangerine Dream. Goldsmith's score is so vague and undefined that it just plain sucks. Tangerine's score was a lot more powerful and I believe it works much better for the film. Plus the European cut doesn't open with showing Darkness giving his tortured spiel in the dark. After years of seeing Legend and then seeing it without that scene in the European cut, I definitely prefer the US version in that regard. You gotta have Tim Curry's Darkness sulking in the dark with glowing eyes and nails. I heard the reason why the Legend DVD is taking so long is because they're planning on putting both European and US versions on the 2 disc set. I'm eagerly anticipating it, especially the chance to finally see it in widescreen.
I just have one question... by Bad Guy	Sep 24th, 2001 11:25:12 AM
When the hell's McFarlane going to do a Rick Deckard "Movie Maniacs" figure?? Now that would rock. I have the original theatrical release on VHS and The Director's Cut on Laserdisc. So I hope that the DVD has both versions. Personally, I like the Ford voice-over. That's one of the things that made it seem like true film-noir.
The problem with the voice over.. by matrix_sux	Sep 24th, 2001 11:58:33 AM
..was that Harrison Ford hated doing it so he purposly did a crap job. Again if like Blade Runner, Future Noir is da shizit :)
Goddamn it: why mess with the mystery of the is he/or isn't he? by Smugbug	Sep 24th, 2001 02:05:00 PM
it maintained a discussion long after you'd seen the movie. Which was great! Some people had reasons to believe that he wasn't and some others had their reasons for believing that he was. I might eventually get this DVD. However, it'll be AFTER I get the Legend DVD . I wish Director's would stop with having to explain EVERY scene, or whatever in a movie. Allow the audience to grow a brain and come up with their own perceptions. It would certainly make for more interesting times.......
Perhaps the movie DOES make allusions that Deckard is a Replican by BrashHulk	Sep 24th, 2001 02:47:48 PM
Ridley Scott did a very poor job of pulling it off - in either released cut of the movie. For every excruciatingly vague hint of Deckard's inhumanity, there are dozens of scenes that provide solid evidence otherwise. The "Is He, Or Isn't He..." debate goes on seemingly as an attempt to keep Ridley Scott on the "cool" list of genre directors, despite the fact that his best movies are planted firmly in the past. Hannibal was solid drivel. Gladiator was admittedly fun, but it was so bloated and ego-driven that you can feel it quickly start to pale during repeat viewings. And before Gladiator? Not much. G.I. Jane, anyone? White Squall? 1492? Watch those movies and then still tell me that he's still the same man who directed The Duellists, Alien, Blade Runner, and Legend. Like John Carpenter, Scott has become a victim of his musings, and has lost touch with what genre fans appreciate. As I watch the new Blade Runner and Legend special edition DVDs, I'll be mourning a once-great director who is sadly now just an apostate of himself.
Dialogue problems by kartaron	Sep 24th, 2001 02:57:24 PM
every version ive seen has a scene where harrison is talking to the reptile android dealer. You see the two of them through a glass window but still hear the dialogue. At one point the shop owner is speaking but harrison's mouth is moving... drives me nuts every time i see it.
1991 Cut, LEGEND score & Dek as Replicant by joestemme	Sep 24th, 2001 03:47:47 PM
Couple of comments on the preceding postings: 1. I was lucky to see the 1991 cut at the Motion Picture Academy in Beverly Hills. Ridley couldn't attend but sent a long letter which was read. Yes, he strongly hinted then that Dek. was a replicant in that version. BUT, having just sat thru the 1991 print with that ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION IN mind, I have to agree with those who say the FILM ON SCREEN does NOT support the Dek. as replicant theory. An interesting piece of conjecture - Yes. A demonstrative FACT - No. This reminds me of Paul Verhoeven who defended STARSHIP TROOPERS by coming up with his 'spin' that the whole film was a Satire on war films. The screenwriter, the actors and the original Heinlen novel be damned - Verhoeven wants us to believe him! Same with Scott... 2. LEGEND. I can not believe the poster who called Goldsmith's score poor. Of course, it was people like him that caused the studio bigwigs to put the more "accessible" and "modern" Tangerine Dream score on the domestic cut. This is one of Goldsmith's personal fave scores and it's simply luscious and exciting. Hey, I like Tangerine Dream. But, their music just couldn't compare to Goldsmith.
the workprint version is the best by NNNOOO!!!	Sep 24th, 2001 03:48:16 PM
Saw this when it played an extremely successful ( but unauthorized, it turned out) two-week run at the Castro theatre in '91. I remember the 'Dictionary definition' prologue, some slower, creepier cutting at the end of Leon's interview, hearing just Rachel's piano and nothing else during the love scene, no ADR on the snake-dealer scene, and best of all the wide shot of the rooftop at the end of Roy's dying speech. If that shot isn't on the DVD (with Deckard's alternate voice-over-- the only one in this version) I'm not buying it.
I want the original cut... by Eddie the Greek	Sep 24th, 2001 04:44:40 PM
The original version was the one I went to see at the cinema as a kid (three times). Its the version I watched for years on video. Its the version I fell in love with. I don't care if Mr Scott thinks it could be improved on. I don't care that Harrison Ford didn't like the voice over. I don't even care that it doesn't always make sense. I prefer the original and I have as much right to watch the original as the director does to hack the movie to pieces - because if people like me hadn't loved the original the way it was his movie would have disappeared after its first release and no one would have cared that Mr Scott thought it could be improved by tinkering. Come on Ridley do what you want with the new cut but... GIVE ME THE ORIGINAL AS WELL.
I would love by Wheel99	Sep 24th, 2001 06:22:40 PM
to see Criterion do a new DVD ala Brazil with the two different versions. Comparisons and a boat load of extras.
What about digitally "fixing" problems... by Killbot	Sep 24th, 2001 08:00:12 PM
A really long time ago, AICN ran a blurb about a possible Star Wars SE style treatment that would digitally erase some production/continuity errors, like the out of sync audio, a crane you can see lifting one of the spinners, the "six" replicants line, and some other stuff...I think its a good idea, that type of shit is hard to ignore once its been pointed out...
BR's ending has footage from The Shining? No shit, Sherlocks, wh by LiquidNitrate	Sep 24th, 2001 09:12:55 PM
I hear Cameron's going to do a sequel to Alien soon. Harry ought to start a website for scifi geeks. We could find out inside scoops if there's ever going to be another Star Wars flick.
Why Deckard is No Replicant by Dave Bowman	Sep 24th, 2001 09:15:27 PM
Deckard is totally outmatched (physically) by the replicants. Every one of them can and does kick him around like a child. I doubt that Bryant would have the subtlety to pretend that Deckard is a long-time member of the LAPD instead of some "skin job". It hurts the movie dramatically. NOTHING is gained by making him a replicant. Blade Runner is about a man who is dehumanized by his work gaining some compassion for his quarry, who are dehumanized by their nature. Ridley Scott may think Deckard's a replicant, but I prefer a movie undamaged by this nonsense.
GOODFELLAS DIRECTORS CUT by MOVIE WRITER	Sep 24th, 2001 09:30:23 PM
Sure Blade Runner is a visually cool. But is it worth so many directors cuts? I want to see an epic goodfellas 5 hour directors cut. Or how about a Smokey and the Bandit special edition? And when the fuck is Empire Strikes Back gonna be on DVD?
To everyone who doesn't think Deckard is a replicant: by CASE	Sep 24th, 2001 10:27:19 PM
Batty and the rest of the replicants who are loose are older models. Deckard looses against them because he is supposed to believe he is human. He has the memories of a normal human upbringing. If he were given super-human strength then he'd suspect that he's a replicant. Rachael is in the same boat with Deckard. She thinks she's human, and for all intents and purposes, she is human. She doesn't save Deckard from Leon by body slamming him. "You know that Voight Kampf test? Did you ever take that test yourself?" He doesn't answer. I've seen the film a few dozen times. Deckard being a replicant makes too much sense. I'm sure you doubters would like to have an ending much like the Usual Suspects where Deckard puts it all together and realizes he's a replicant, but it's not there. All we're left with is an intense look and a nod and the final words that echo into oblivion, "It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?" I know "Deckard as replicant" may seem like an afterthought, but it was more of a secret, subtle angle Ridley worked into the film. READ FUTURE NOIR! The fact of the matter is in the original theatrical release of Bladerunner, Deckard is a human. He and Rachael go up to Canada and grow old together. This version was messed with by the studios and did not reflect the intentions of Mr. Scott. In the Workprint, or Director's Cut Deckard is a replicant. End of story. Shut your eyes and scream all you want, the man who created what you are crying about is telling you he has always intended for Deckard to be a replicant. Despite what you may think, this movie is Ridley's. Phil Dick had close to nothing to do with the film. The screenwriters Hampton Fancher and David Peoples may not have intended Deckard to be a replicant, but guess what? Ridley Scott made the film he wanted to make. Bladerunner is to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? as Ran is to King Lear. Sure, in Shakespeare's play the King has three daughters, not three sons, but who gives a flying shit, the movie kicks ass.
Legend continues by Lord Mall	Sep 25th, 2001 12:16:45 AM
I guess I've grown used to the US version because the European cut with Goldsmith's music left me cold. Maybe it's due in part to the 2 generation dub with muddled sound so I can't truely appreciate Goldsmith's score. But I've heard it well enough to know that Legend with and without Goldsmith's score are 2 totally different movies and I think Tangerine's music helped create a tone that was more fitting to Ridley Scott's movie than Goldsmith's generic attempt. Maybe I'm just too used to John Williams' level of perfection. I like Goldsmith, but his music for Legend didn't do it for me. Simple as that. I know my film music and Tangerine Dream, however electronic or modern in style, fucking flew circles around Goldsmith's shit. And Jon Anderson's contribution was fucking perfection, too(I'm a Yes fan). If it was originally Brian May instead of Goldsmith doing the score, then maybe it might have approached what initially made the film click with me. Don't get me wrong, I like Goldsmith's score. There are some nice parts to it. But Tangerine took it to another level like Vangelis did with Blade Runner. To me, Goldsmith's score is like Michael Kamen's subtle score for X-Men: Where the fuck was it? If you sneezed you missed it.
Goldsmith score/Legend by Archie	Sep 25th, 2001 12:50:28 AM
I am amazed at the talkbacks complaining about the Jerry Goldsmith score for Legend.Admittedly it does sound 'muddy'in the available version on VHS but it is a lyric score of great invention and beauty much more in the spirit of the ambition of the film than any electronic attempt. When the film was first on release in London at the Odeon Leicester square the sound was excellent and was the most memorable aspect of the film, that and the wonderful production design by Assheton Gorton.
Old news by John S	Sep 25th, 2001 01:45:27 AM
Is there a single bit of new news here? I honetly thought I accidentally got a 10 yr. old post. Deckard IS a replicant; the unicorn dream isn't significant--what's significant is that Gaff KNEW ABOUT IT--how could he if he didn't know that was a dream implanted in Deckard? I wish Scott would just give up on this thing--one of my fave movies, all right, all right, let's move on! Ten years from now you'll all be pissing over "The Phantom Menace," when Lucas talks about "This is the version I ALWAYS wanted, the version THEY wouldn't let me do." Ridley, George: How about special editions of everything you've made except Duellists, ALien, BR, Glad/SW, Empire--the version with decent scripts?
Goldsmith's Legend by John S	Sep 25th, 2001 01:52:25 AM
Tangerine Dream's synth drones added zilch to Legend, which was a flick in desperate need of something to give it some style. Goldsmith's Debussy-flavored score made the visuals more atmospheric--John Williams's "Holy Shit, something blew up!" noise has helped accent all the worst aspects of movies since the early 80s, when he went from film composer to composer who uses the film as an excuse for his music. His scores are trite and loud, never giving the movies a chance to breathe. I never thought the guy who did Jaws, CE3K, SW, Empire and The Fury would end up like this. He tells the audience how to feel--Goldsmith's Legend score builds the atmosphere in the same unobtrusive way his Alien score did. And John Anderson's voice sounds like someone's pulling his testicle across the room before ssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnnaaapppin g it back.
Bladerunner and Phiilip k Dick by Og	Sep 25th, 2001 04:36:28 AM
I really wish you people would stop talking about the book written by Phillip k Dick called 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' and 'Bladerunner' as if one was the same story as the other. Have you even read the book? It bears a passing resemblance to the (fantastic) movie but is different in plot in almost every other way. Its a great novel but nothing like the movie it inspired.
Blade Runner @ the London IMAX by kawoslski,Leon	Sep 25th, 2001 05:25:21 AM
It was a reel (PUN) shame, I love this this film so much, and it did rule on the HUGE screen. It was a shame that quality of the print was piss poor. There is a good argument for 'fixing' some of the holes in the story. eg why does Deckard not know about Nexus 6? 6 skin jobs, the worst yet, why would they risk coming back to Earth?? Deckard can't a busy man, what does he do when he is not hunting skin jobs? How does he get Rachaels home number? Why is the converstaion in the shop with the Arab snake maker dubbed? How come Rachael knows where Deckard lives? How do Roy and Lean get the lead on the Chineese eye engineer? I only ask these questions cos l care!!!!. I would also recomend 'Edge of Human' for anyone that wants to know what happens next
Leave well enough alone by Shepdog	Sep 25th, 2001 05:56:11 AM
I don't know about any of you, but when I saw the original director's cut, I was disappointed beyond measure as I believe 0.07 secs of added material and the missing but often poignant voice overs were misguided re-edits. Just another example of an artist who can't seem to recognize when the work is finished and to quit retouching until the entire piece is marred...especially after reading the reviews. As with the recent re-cut of "The Exorcist," the new re-cut "Blade Runner" will no doubt be no better than first attempt to improve what already is a great film (despite the tacked-on happy ending).
Legend score by Lord Mall	Sep 25th, 2001 08:51:39 AM
Right on, well I can appreciate everyone's opinion of Goldsmith's score for Legend. Maybe if it were on the DVD as an alternate cut in all its digital glory I'd be able to appreciate it a lot more than what I got from a half-ass dub from a country that doesn't exist anymore. But John S., I totally disagree with you and your appraisal of John Williams. If you haven't done so already I'd suggest listening to the Hook soundtrack(IMO one of his best), then perhaps the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade soundtrack, and if you can find it, the Jaws 2 soundtrack. Oh yeah and Close Encounters. All distinct scores that achieve something no other composer can create, only emulate.
deckard as replicant is nothing more than a gimmick and it destr by andenu	Sep 25th, 2001 03:09:32 PM
the original version is the best. if you think the voice over is heavy handed, compare that to the director telling the public over and over that ford's character is a repicant. i like his delivery of the v.o. he may have done it that way cause he didn't like it - which btw is an asshole thing to do - but it comes off as sounding passionless and world-weary, an interesting and important counterpoint to the replicants who are full of life. this and other rather subtle dichotomies between the hunter and his prey are effectively erased by the director's cut which imo does say he is a replicant, because of the dream and then the foil sculpture of the unicorn which shows knowledge of said dream. speaking of which, the sculpture is much more effective in the original version. it is a message to deckard that he is chasing a ghost, that his heart's desire being fulfilled is as ephemeral and intangible as that creature of legend (pun intended). with deckard as replicant a story about what it means to be human and what makes people able to relate to others as well as themselves becomes a heavy handed usual suspects (a fine but very different movie) type gotcha gimmick. it's just lame and obvious and trite and cliched.
Bring back the Voice over by NixKuroi	Sep 25th, 2001 04:03:12 PM
I think that they should definitely include the Harrison Ford voice over as an audio track on the DVD. First off, when I watch the current dvd release, it always feels like there's something missing. Second, with DVD, if you don't want to hear it you can turn it off. Where's the harm in that? If they really feel opposed to it, they could put in "Harrison Ford's Voice Over (Not recommended)" :) In any case, for those of us who loved (and miss) the original release, it would be a kind gesture.
I want Joanna Cassidy's Snake Dance! by Chiisusan	Sep 25th, 2001 05:17:43 PM
Restore that, Ridley!
A.I. vs Blade Runner by corvette63	Sep 25th, 2001 07:36:36 PM
A.I. tackles the same themes of humanity as Blade Runner but has a decidely different outcome. At the beginning of A.I. we are told that Androids are not human and at the end of the movie the same is revealed. Androids can never evolve beyond their pre-programmed emotional feeback. Even in a few thousand years. Blade Runner begins by saying that androids aren't human and a Voight Kampf test is even used to prove it. But doubts are raised with the android Rachel. In the movie's climax Roy reveals that the androids can show true human qualities by saving Deckard. The director's cut makes this even more apparent. If we believe that Deckard is human, we must believe that the androids are human. Blade Runner Rocks!
Deckard, Ridley and Unicorns by hford713	Sep 26th, 2001 04:18:49 AM
Hi all, Deckard is not a replicant. Perhaps R.S. is only now stating this because there's renewed interest in the film in addition to Ford's lifeless performance. So what, there was a twinkle in his eyes during the apartment scene. The whole unicorn thing? Gaff could have origamied one to symbolize Deckard's need for freedom - to break free from the gloomy lifestyle he was living. The "Unicorn Dream" - it's an outake from "Legend" probably. I didn't think replicant's had emotion's (plus a four-year life span) Deckard spent the last half of the film with such an amazing look of pain, fear and angst on his face and that certainly could not be classified as "emotionless". Ridley I think just want the interest in his film to be kept alive and kicking. p.s Does anyone know if the new cut includes the voice-over?
Unicorn dreams.... by matrix_sux	Sep 26th, 2001 04:54:26 AM
Sounding like a broken record here...The book I mentioned before stated that the unicorn dream WAS part of the movie (in one of its several incarnations). When the footage was about to be restored the unicorn scene was unavailable (whether it was badly deteriorated or the negs were not found I forgot. I read the book a few years back) for restoration. Eventually the reshot the scene and put it in. There was even a story that during one of the screenings where Ridley fell asleep and woke up saying something to the effect of how it was good to have that scene back. In reality it wasn't for that print screened and folks looked at him odd....Anyhoo, the whole purpose of the the unicorn dream was to show that this was an implanted memory and the Gaff knew Deckards secret. Remember when Deckard told Rachel of the memory she had of her watching the spider hatch and of her playing doctor? Those were memories of Tyrells neice and Deckard knew this. Remember her look of shock of "how did he know this"? Well the unicorn origami that Gaff left behind was Gaffs version of this. Also remember Gaffs "You have done a man job" speech? Replay that portion again and now view it in this context. You will come to the conclusion that Gaff knows Deckards a replicant the same way that Deckard knew Rachel was one too. Both knew of the implanted memories. Personally when they re-release the DVD, I really hope we can toggle through to what version we want to view. Personally I like the directors cut, it does not lead you by the hand like the original
I have just creamed... by slipalong	Sep 26th, 2001 05:09:03 AM
...myself over the idea of Legend on DVD! God, that is something I absolurely refuse to wait for!!! So far I have seen two different cuts, of the film and I have to say that I'm praying for the version that opens with Tim Curry's monologue under the UV lights. Please God, let there be a 2 disc box set!!! Give me a shout if anyone has any thoughts.
Deckard as a Replicant by Caped Revenger	Sep 27th, 2001 01:12:25 PM
Regardless of how cool or interesting it is for Deckard to be a replicant, or even whether the movie "supports" it or not, it's a bad idea. So what if he is a replicant? How does it change things, dramatically speaking. At least in "The Usual Suspects," there is a dramatic quality to the reveal. But in this case, it changes nothing. In fact, if anything, it undercuts the significance of Roy Batty's rescue of Deckard, and his subsequent soliloquey. If Deckard is a replicant, then we no longer have a poignant scene where a replicant conveys what it is to be human to a human. The scene has no impact, no meaning - it's all traded for that "cool" notion that our hero is actually a replicant himself.
Re: Deckard as a replicant by matrix_sux	Sep 28th, 2001 05:59:16 AM
It gives the movie a sense of irony IMO and new meaning to the phrase "more human than human". It also leads to the question of who in the Tryell corporation might know. The key would be Rachel asking Deckard if he ever took the test himself....Either case there are several verions out for all to enjoy.
Good Point made by Caped Avenger. by Kefrif	Sep 28th, 2001 11:03:22 AM
The point made above about the lack of poignancy in the final scene of Blade Runner, IF Deckard is a replicant is a good one. I like to think the Deckard-Replicant motif as Rutger Hauer does - as a joke by the Director, the estimable Mr Scott. It's interesting to see, if we regard it that way, how Ridley and co. have used this as a (dare I say) gimmick to keep the film at popular cultures doorstep, whether by design or by "copping to it". Not that it needs such a gimmick with it's amazingly detailed production and set. Oh, and DO read Future Noir. The author gives an unparalelled account of EVERY aspect imaginable of the film (except the international reception of the film). Cheers....
Legend DVD correction by at2ecw	Sep 28th, 2001 08:28:34 PM
The legend DVD someone on here said was going to be a release of the european and usa version is wrong. usa version ..yes. european .....nopers. its the new directors cut that was found already mixed and in great shape! check out: http://www.figmentfly.com/lege nd/index.shtml they have updates every so often and all the Info. you want to know about it. Yes...the orchestrated score kicks.....although very choppy in the european version of the film . I cant wait for the DVD!!!!

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